#kaspar thorne

[a-cloud-for-dreams]

No scarier words have ever been spoken

[choices-ceri]

RANKING TRYSTAN'S SIBLINGS FROM BEST TO WORST

(cause I'm bored and I can)

1. Marguerite

obviously. Goes without saying

2. Lydea

Queen. Icon. Slay. Sorry I didn't like you to begin with. Thanks for not back stabbing us. God save the queen and that

3. Astrid

Now..... Anyone who kills their girlfriends homophobic ex needs to be top 3. She would have been 2nd but she called my pores greasy. I ain't having that.

4. Sebastyan

He was rude, mean and kinda creepy at the start. But they did my guy so dirty with the story. Bro did NOT deserve being isolated, back stabbed and murdered all in one day. I feel dreadful. Sorry Bas, I hope the next life's better to you.

5. Emika

Non binary solidarity.

6. Kaspar

Creep, but also an icon in a way.

7. Vasili

No cereal for HIM ever again

8. Patryck

You know you have to be a right d##khead to be ranked beneath the serial killer of the family.

[gaiuskamilah]

anyway. tonight's Thornecest Thoughts because i've been reading (🥸). thorslev (1965) writes that brother-sister/sibling incest symbolizes 1) a character's alienation from society and 2) their "narcissistic sensibility, or more philosophically speaking, his predilection for solipsism." sibling incest is seen as a rejection of the laws of state and of commonly held conventions as well as the societal alienation that comes afterward as a result (the laws are constructed, they are not "natural"). it can also be read as the character's preoccupation with the self, their love only for themself and seeing the world as only between them and their sibling—there is no world outside of them.

viewing kaspar/emika in this is obvious; both are alienated from various societies as per their dossiers, both are vain and only self-interested, and their shared strong fear of separation. the only people they clearly respect within the family are each other.

you could also view vasili/bas this way, though their in-text incestuous subtext is less overt than kaspar/emika. theirs is limited only to the narration and dialogue surrounding bas' murder. still, the elements are there—vasili and bas are denied a chance at the throne because of man-made laws that warrant their exclusion. this exclusion makes them bitter and makes them truly respect only each other, a preoccupation with their own perceived righteousness, especially compared to trystan.

[jamespotterthefirst]

Um...

My money is still on Kaspar (and maybe Emika too). Adding to the post above:

K&E were the only ones with an alibi that isn't air tight. They were in E's room. Their alibi is each other.

The twins are the only ones who still use the secret tunnels

The knife had Twin snakes and I'm a hoe who loves symbolism when I read and write

Finally, what was this about?

Huh? Am I missing something here?

Anyway, this has been my unhinged theory Part 2

[saintfourr]

i made these three images and i have no regrets.

[choicesbookclub]

Crimes of Passion II : A Look Back

First week with no new Crimes of Passion, how are you doing???

I know the book club for COP 2 is over but I have a few wrap up questions that I thought I'd share ❤️

Question(s) of the Week: 

Will you be replaying Crimes of Passion II? [Vote Here]

How long would you like me to keep accepting/reblogging COPII entries? [Vote Here]

Who is your favorite Thorne sibling (not Trystan)? [Vote Here]

Which Thorne would YOU have WANTed to be the killer if it was your choice? [Vote Here]

After a week of processing things, how do you feel? Has your opinions on the last chapter(s) changed? Has your opinions on the overall story changed?

How did you find book two compared to book one?

What did you like best about book two?

If you could change one thing about book two, what would it be?

Does Astrid deserve her own book? (the only answer is yes.. j/k)

What are you hoping to see in book three?

Do you have any HCs for your Trystan and detective now that they're back in NY?

And lastly... how did you enjoy your Book Club experience? What did you like? Is there something you want me to continue in future clubs? anything you think I should discontinue, change, or add?

Thank you all for joining the COP2 book club! I am truly grateful to everyone who participated. Thanks for making it a wonderful experience! ❤️❤️❤️

[puredoesnotmeankind]

What if we didn't have to solve a fucking murder but instead have an entire book of MC bonding with their creepy, deranged in-laws?

[storyofmychoices]

I love Crimes of Passion a normal amount...I totally didn't have an intense dream mourning Sebastyan (because I loved him a normal amount) and the dream didn't end with me playing with Kaspar's hair (it just looks so thick and silky and I want to touch it!)...so as you can see...a normal amount of love for the Thorne siblings.

[choices-binglebonkus]

[jerzwriter]

This entire family is disgusting. They may as well be on the GOP debate stage tonight. Sorry. Not sorry.

"... I wanted to see how it turned out." YOU TWO TESTIFIED AGAINST HIM!!!!

"They held no true value" says the creepy ass who pulled the garotte from Nadya's neck

I'd like to punt-kick Emika off the Empire State Building - I'd pay mad diamonds for that.

As to Kaspar, I'll need a Drakovian-level punishment for him.

Spoiler below.....

@choicesbookclub

PLEASE LET TRYSTAN NOT BE RELATED TO ANY OF THESE FUCKERS!!!!!

Best plot development YET!

[a-cloud-for-dreams]

Why, you jealous or sm 👀

Their sibling bond was actually pretty wholesome, and that’s one of the only times I will refer to the Thornes as wholesome Imao

MA’AM YOU CAN’T SAY THINGS LIKE THAT AND EXPECT ME NOT TO LOVE YOU-

Honey it’s a miracle nobody found out about your secret relationship. For a prince and private detective, they’re not good at being subtle are they? 😭

The duality of Marguerite Thorne. Also, poor Mags 😭 first she was kidnapped and then she has to find out her own brother killed her other brother LET HER REST PLS

She has the BEST comedic timing I just know she and MC would have been such iconic no-nonsense duo in another life. Like an AU where she was exiled instead of Trystan or sm

[choices-ceri]

EVERY FAMILY SHOULD INCLUDE:

Tag yourself. I'm a mean bisexual

[gaiuskamilah]

Naw because idk what was going on with Emika and Kaspar but it wasn’t normal that’s for sure

another thornecest truther 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 but for real it was not normal at all. they're so attached to each other, both dossiers saying they have a "particular weakness" for the other, going as far as too kill for each other, having a secret language and code that only they understand.. they are not normal. the fact that they're twins too just makes me raise an eyebrow even more. reminds me of so many other incestuous twins..

i need to replay crimes 2 but with the book taking so many cues from the gothic genre (i mean stuff like wuthering heights, jane eyre, flowers in the attic, crimson peak, etc., i once posted about how the thornes are gothic and someone said addams family and i ctfu) re: the story revolving around inheritance, family secrets (especially the cracking of and decay of the institution of the family), their fuckass dark as hell castle, then kaspar/emika twincest honestly just fits right in lol.

also not to say that the other thorne siblings haven't faced exclusion (trystan and astrid come to mind) but the twins' dossier specifically saying how emika and kaspar were blacklisted by "90% of fashion houses in europe" and "former member of international syndicate / sold out by anonymous member" respectively, both shunned by society, just makes me think...

[jamespotterthefirst]

Crimes of Passion 2: The Killer Thorne

Or my unhinged theory so far

I am positive my opinion will change as more information is revealed. Also, this is all gut feeling for now. Oh and finally, I take those red letters to heart.

So when the lovely @choicesbookclub asked which Thorne is involved in Juliana's death, the majority voted Sebastyan. And as I said. That's too obvious.

I voted Kaspar.

Here is why:

First, some context to how my mind got there.

When MC and Trystan walk in on the NYPD's investigation of the missing tiara, the officers are convinced they have the culprit.

(Taken from YT because I didn't take screenshots when I played. Cameron= MC)

This confuses Trystan and MC

The officers don't say anything else since Thompson angrily pulls them and mutters about compromising the investigation.

But my question is why did they think Bird? What evidence did they find? They have to have found something to think Bird. Or a bird.

I found that so interesting since when we played as Juliana minutes earlier, she was pulled from Trystan's side by a bird call she recognized as the person harassing her.

I'm not saying Bird did it but the connection bird —> bird call is hard to ignore.

Back to Kaspar.

In all this, Trystan brings up their brother Kaspar who once stole the Queen's jewels. As someone who loves to study the way other writers write, it was interesting to me that this one brother was brought up so early in the story. Not only in passing like the rest of Trystan's siblings (except for Marguerite and Lydea). The writers gave us some information about someone we haven't even met yet. I think that's intentional and important.

Also, Kaspar's name was in red.

That stuck with me. I don't think any of the other siblings we haven't met yet's names have been in red before (I could be wrong).

What we know about Kaspar is

He is younger than Trystan

He stole the jewels and got banned from the queen's country as a result

He is impulsive

But charming (avoids consequences as a result)

It's also interesting that Trystan was the one who found the stolen jewels and returned them. So much so that the queen trusts Trystan enough to contact them when they go missing again. All while Kaspar is banned from her country.

Idk idk

Could that create resentment from Kaspar towards Trystan?

In summary:

Chapter 1 tells us the NYPD thought Bird had stolen the jewels but we never found out why

Kaspar has a past connection to those jewels

Kaspar is also presented with some importance by the writers. I think that's intentional.

Juliana hears a bird call from her murderer, one that could quite literally be their calling card because she recognizes it

I'm 2.2 Trystan compares Kaspar to a magpie (See edit below/ credit to magpie anon)

All of these are connected in my mind but I'm missing puzzle pieces

EDIT:

A brilliant, wonderful, fantastic anon pointed out that the bird/Kaspar symbolism continues when Trystan compares him to a magpie in 2.2

Credit to this anon for this connection! ❤️

[moominofthevalley]

underrated crimes 2 moment is kaspar at marguerite’s fashion show. literally wearing a giant skirt that he “borrowed” from a model absolutely denying the fact that he so obviously stole it.