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leliwardens · 11 days ago
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idc if its cut content lady mantillon being connected to justinia is REAL to ME. it's hilarious there's like six specific french gay women in various degrees of situationships with each other being the root cause of the messiest dyke drama for the past several decades and making it EVERYONE'S problem.
and two of them can be the pope.
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whiterosemarie · 10 months ago
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The latest art work. 25+ hrs. Based on a fanfiction that's being written between myself and a friend.
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illusivesoul · 1 year ago
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A Divine's Hand
A short Leliana/Justinia fic.
Ratings: Mature
Words: 1596
Summary: The Inquisitor asks about Justinia. Leliana remembers.
Tags: Power Imbalance - Implied Sexual Content - Angst - Grief/Mourning - Anger - POV Multiple -Memories -Regret
Read it on AO3
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Leliana noticed the subtle smirk of the Inquisitor’s lips after she asked the question, and the cold she felt from her words had nothing to do with the snow that fell all around them. Trevelyan was a noble, and the way she had spoken made it clear that she was no stranger to the whirlwind of rumours that had surrounded Leliana during the years she had served at the Divine’s side. Only those who presumed to know the truth before asking asked things in the way the inquisitor had. 
“You’re asking if we were lovers. Typical. I was devoted to her, therefore it must be romantic” the spymaster replied, unable and not caring to hide the frustration in her tone. Nothing seemed to matter anymore anyway.  “Love is common. Love is simple. My bond with Justinia was something greater. She was a sister, a mother, a teacher…”
Bloodied, bruised, broken. Cold rock of the cell floor, stone stained by torture, walls that held the tears and blood of the countless orlesians and fereldans that never left this prison alive. Tears drying in her face. The phantom pain of a lover’s treacherous blade still throbbing at her ribs. Praying, hoping for death. 
A bag drops from the small gate far above, surrounded by the daylight that seeps through it. A woman’s voice. Soothing, comforting. Leliana swears it's the sweetest sound she’s ever heard.
“You feel alone, perhaps for the first time, but you are far from helpless. Others need you, even at your lowest. And that is a strength I cannot describe. You can do this” 
And she finds the strength to lift herself from the cold, bloodied stone floor, if only to find the source of the mysterious voice who talked to her.
Hope.
They’re gathered around the table, where incriminating letters prove the existence of a conspiracy - the latest one - involving several grand clerics and Orlesian nobles aimed at deposing Justinia. Leliana calls for their deaths, to be granted permission to unleash her agents to purge the halls of the Grand Cathedral and the mansions and palaces of Orlais of the traitors. It wouldn’t be the first time a Divine had done so, a show of force to keep things in order. 
Justinia looks at her with concern. Leliana has told her little about what she had lived through during the Blight, but she had returned from Ferelden a changed woman, callous, cold, calculating, brutal. With the same fire from her days as a bard, but with a harshness fitting for a soldier.
As she listens to her talk about how her agents can make it all seem like accidents and to make the deaths occur gradually to avoid raising suspicion, Justinia sees the dark shadow of Marjolaine’s influence looming over Leliana. But Justinia knows that she’s the only one responsible for this. Because in the end, what is she in Leliana’s life if not Marjolaine by another name, making her spill blood in the name of the Maker just as Marjolaine had her spill blood for courtly intrigues. The Game is played even in the halls of the Grand Cathedral, after all. The memory of her moment of weakness at the hands of Marjolaine and everything it had led to filled her with a sense of shame and anger towards herself that she would never let go of.
She denies Leliana’s request, and after a few moments spent enduring Leliana’s anger and rage washing over her as she goes on about the risks of letting traitors alive and how her position will be made vulnerable, Justinia takes her into her arms, feeling how she melts into them as she starts sobbing loudly against her white robes.
“I can’t… I can’t bear the thought of losing you too. I cannot lose you too”
Justinia wishes she could let her go, to not make her course the dark ways that surround this position of power. Yet she knows that without Leliana at her side, she would have died long ago. She knows it's foolish and selfish to think of herself as the victim in this. Leliana had asked to join and serve, and she had said yes, and Justinia tells herself it was not due to her manipulation, but through a genuine act of faith. And the Divine knows she's not the only one who is at risk of losing herself.
Doubt.
The large book with the eye and a sword crossing it laid on the table, the words "Into darkness, unafraid” inscribed in the cover. Yet Justinia was afraid. Afraid that things had deteriorated to the point that it needed to be used. A last resort. 
In the distance, the White Spire stood, its walls still charred from magic fire, the same fire that had consumed the minds and hearts of men and women all over Thedas.
Justinia knew they wouldn’t find the Champion of Kirkwall, who, just as the Hero of Ferelden, seemed to have vanished into thin air. Though by the way Leliana’s eyes darkened and her sight lowered towards the floor whenever the dwarven woman who had saved Ferelden was mentioned, she couldn’t help but think that perhaps it was best that they hadn’t found the warden after all.
The task of fixing this burning and crumbling world would be up to her, to salvage what she could from the madness of a war she had failed to prevent. Justinia had relived the last years constantly in her head since the destruction of Kirkwall’s Chantry.
Had her changes been too fast and too radical? Or had they been lacking? Had she pushed too much, or had she done too little?
In the end, she knew she could only play her last card with the Conclave. History would judge her actions and determine if she was to be praised or thrown to the darkest pits, remembered only as the Divine that lost the Chantry. In any event, she had already passed judgement on herself long ago.
The sound of light steps approaching from behind brought a smile to her face, for she was very familiar to whom they belonged to. It was one of the little things she had gotten used to about Leliana over the years.
She felt her hands placing themselves on her shoulders, her lips softly planting kisses on the back of her neck as she gently pulled her white robes off her.
Leliana’s hands feel like a miracle, the callousness and scars that dotted her hands mixed with the delicate soft bits of skin a reflection of the story of her life. Each movement and caress made all the stress and weight of the world vanish under her touch, and made Justinia feel alive in a way that she only did when she’s given into her. Leliana’s hands and lips trace every line, every inch of skin, and she makes her feel like the most beautiful woman in the world.
She had never asked Leliana for this, but Leliana had done it cause it was the only way she knew how to show gratitude. The only way she knew to show that she cared. The only way to show love she had ever known. The only form of love allowed to those shaped and molded by the Game. And what was Justinia doing if not playing the Game in the name of Andraste and the Maker? 
Justinia knew she should have refused, but Maker, she was only human after all. She allowed herself to have these small moments of happiness, to remind herself of the times when the world had not been thrusted upon her shoulders. She just prayed that the way Leliana’s eyes looked at her, those hushed “I love you” she said during their passion were just words uttered in the fire of the moment. She would never be worthy of Leliana’s love.
As their lips, souls and bodies met on that desk in the Grand Cathedral, in a world which only the two of them were privy to, Justinia felt her resolve stronger than ever. She would push as hard as she could in the Conclave, to help put Thedas back in order… and to leave a world where Leliana could find the peace and love she so much deserved. It was the least she could do for her.
Resolve.
“So to answer your question, Evelyn Trevelyan: yes, it was more than friendship. Friendship is a lacking term to describe the bond that we had. Now, you’ll have to excuse me. There are many things I have to see with to make sure this Inquisition of ours lasts more than a month”
As Leliana retreated to the depths of her tent, she pretended to focus on the papers in front of her, the wood on the sides of the table creaking in pain as she tightened her grip on it, desperate to hold back the tears, the rage, the pain and loss that boiled inside of her. Cause she knew, and she felt it, that if she turned around, she would be met with the sight of Trevelyan smiling mockingly at her, laughing at her pain and reveling in the turmoil she had caused. And through the holes in the fabric of the tent, the green glow of the Breach made itself seen, the embodiment of Justinia’s loss haunting her from the very skies.
But Leliana did not falter. She would not let Justinia’s name be tarnished any further by her weakness.
She had failed her enough already.
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sluttyquarantinetheory · 7 months ago
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Cassandra is so funny as a character. She's a highly skilled fighter and is genuinely down to listen and learn about new things and different types of people. And she has absolutely zero bullshit detecting abilities whatsoever. Worst possible choice for an investigative profession.
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s0lavellan · 9 days ago
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What a lovely little parallel between Leliana and Solas. Love finding these little nuggets in Inquisition.
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citrusai · 2 months ago
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taash said "they were doing it" and people ran with the interpretation of an npc that doesn't know solas or the history of the elvhenan even when bellara interjected and said, no, that's not right. that's not how it was for the elvhenan. they formed bonds before they had physical bodies. and people ran to doompost or create weird anti-solavellan shit even though mythal & solas refer to each other as old friends and when she releases him there is no tenderness or love in it. it is the act of unchaining a dog from his post, the stepping down of a general. but to each their own ig.
#let the record show i think love was there. do I personally perceive it as romantic / sexual? no.#mythal's perception of love & care is warped in and of itself#i think they loved each other. but she loved what she could take from him and what he could give in terms of service#not because she was romantically into him#also i wish we knew more about her & elgar'nan. her regret prison form says she holds no love for him anymore#and it makes me wonder when that love soured. was it when she was blighted? before that? was that love also born of duty and companionship?#this is the last post i'm gonna make ab this i think#bc i believe people are too caught up in the modern western ideas of love as thing we give solely to our romantic partners#and we literally have a character go ”our perception is warped bc of the age we live in” and some of you are still being purposefully obtuse#and i think trick saying it's up to interpretation is basically admitting EA had them dumb down the game anyway#if everything ab the rise and fall of the evanuris in game#was condensed to five 2min cutscenes it says enough that whatever the writers wanted#was swiftly cut down by corporate dept. basically saying it's in the fans' court now#also bc it's an easy cop out around new players & non solasmancers who are indifferent ab him / dislike him#as a way to appeal thru a more sympathetic lense of look!! he loved and was led astray#not to mention the clear justinia / leliana parallels#and leliana gets angry if you imply she was romantically involved / in love w justinia#and the romance descr when you remake your inq saying the dread wolf could not predict what it would mean to fall IN LOVE#implying he had never fallen in love before or at the very least experienced a romantic love#also him saying drinking from the well would make you a slave and he gets really upset#yet ive seen takes of ”hes doing this for her cus he dgaf ab lavellan” ?? he got mythal killed when he told her ab the blight#whatever feelings of admiration he had for her have rotted. he is literally burdened by his mistakes and his choice in joining her#i feel like if i were a spirit bound and twisted into a weapon i would need my creator to tell me i am Free. i would need that closure#like when cole says its not abuse to bind him if he asks and solas said thats not always true???#if you perceive her interaction w him in vg third act as#anything more than the way justinia released leliana in inq then im sorry maybe youre just obtuse#solavellan#mythal#dragon age meta
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fartholder · 7 months ago
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A lot of comparisons can be made between the gameplay reveal and the opening of DA:I, but these happen in the same order:
A bridge collapses as you cross it and you fall down under it
You pick up your gear, a rift opens and you get attacked by shades
You arrive at the site where a ritual to tear down the Veil took/takes place and the camera pans to Thee Rift
You get attacked by a pride demon
When first watching the gameplay i thought it was a little funny, but thinking more about it, it looks like a very deliberate choice on the developers part, especially because it then goes on to put Solas and Varric in the same "roles" as Corypheus and Divine Justinia, respectively.
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pinayelf · 2 months ago
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when life gives u lemons uhhh
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vigilskeep · 4 months ago
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now that you've watched the Cassandra movie, do you know that Avexis is in Haven?
i do. i had the appropriate breakdown over this yesterday. it’s so true to the world and the chantry and yet it had me gasping
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sorcerly · 2 months ago
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Oh Divine Justinia V popped OFF with this one. Now I understand why someone would want to assassinate her.
“But why?” The Lord Seeker demanded. “The Rite of Tranquility has served the circle for centuries. It is our last defense against mages who cannot master their own powers. We must keep order, Most Holy! We must protect the innocent from the mages, and the mages from themselves!”
She nodded. “A convenient tale, so we may sleep better at night. The Maker says that magic is to serve mankind… But we possess a responsibility to those who serve us, Lord Seeker. We cannot hail them when their magic is useful and then lock them in a cage when it is inconvenient. They are the Maker’s children, not to be tolerated, but to be cherished.”
The Lord Seeker furrowed his brow, staring at the Divine in consternation. “And what price would you have us pay for such idealism, most holy?”
“Idealism is our stock-in-trade, Lambert. A religion without ideals is tyranny. As for the price” – she turned back to Pharamond – “that is what I intend to discover.”
- Dragon Age: Asunder, by David Gaider, Ch. 16
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dilfgmancoolatta · 2 months ago
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leliwardens · 2 days ago
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it gives me like, a new mental illness on the tracker when i think of a worldstate where leliana lets marjolaine go and still remains softened after but later still kills her and ends up hardened anyway.
do you think justinia ordered it or leliana did it of her own free will?
which is worse?
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moghedien · 10 months ago
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Shipping Cassandra and Leliana is so funny because I feel like the only people who actually do it have either only played Inquisition or don't think much past "Well they're the Left and Right Hands of the Divine" because you KNOW they only get along to the extent they do in Inquisition because they've never had an actual conversation because the second Leliana opened her mouth about her theology in front of Cassandra, they would have been trying to strangle each other
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awquarius · 3 months ago
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In honour of veilgaurd coming out next week, I made Leliana and Sera in baldur’s gate 3. With their respective guardians: divine Justinia and Adaar
Lelianna is a rogue/bard/cleric
Sera is a rogue and thief and she’ll tempt your fate!
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anneapocalypse · 2 years ago
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Meredith's Mistakes: A Study in Power
The full-scale rebellion of mages across Thedas against the Circle system of the Andrastian Chantry officially begins in 9:40 Dragon, with the uprising at the White Spire and a vote by the College of Enchanters to separate from the Chantry. But the seeds of the rebellion are planted years earlier in Kirkwall, where the extreme Circle policies of Knight-Commander Meredith Stannard lead to the destruction of the city’s Chantry by apostate mage activist Anders.
Knight-Commander Meredith’s reign of terror over her Circle and over Kirkwall itself is abruptly ended during her battle with Hawke when the sword forged from a red lyrium idol found in the Deep Roads corrupts her totally, turning her to a frozen lyrium statue herself (though as we have more recently learned, it did not destroy her completely). This was catalyzed by the destruction of the Chantry, Meredith’s invocation of the Right of Annulment, and the mages’ subsequent resistance. But had all that not happened the way it did, I believe that an end to Meredith’s rule had already become inevitable. The Knight-Commander makes several grave mistakes in maintaining her power, some of which begin years before she acquires the idol, but are dramatically escalated by her exposure to red lyrium.
And it’s because of those mistakes that the mage rebellion truly has its roots in Kirkwall.
Circle Dispensation
Throughout the Dragon Age universe we meet mages like Wilhelm Sulzbacher, Ines Arancia, Severan, Vivienne, Finn, and Wynne: Circle mages given special dispensation to travel, work, and even live outside the Circle proper.
This privilege proves to be a highly effective tool of Circle control, and a critical part of the Chantry's strategy for keep mages contained.
Prior to the the destruction of the Kirkwall Chantry, it seems that this sort of thing is quite commonplace in most Circles. Not for most mages, of course. But for well-established Enchanters who have proven their magical competency, and most importantly their loyalty, certain privileges may be afforded. Thus, compliance is incentivized for any mages who might aspire to some limited but additional freedoms and are willing to toe the line to get them.
In most cases, these mages are still denied the rights of non-mages: to own property, to hold a title, to marry and raise a family. (Wilhelm is a notable exception to the latter, but this seems rare.) But a mage like Ines Arancia might be afforded the opportunity for field research and publication. A mage like Wynne or Finn might gain the prestige of traveling at the side of a hero. And a mage of ambition such as Severan, Wilhelm, or Vivienne might even attain the title of Court Enchanter, serving at the side of a King or an Empress (even if the title is in many cases purely ceremonial) and mingling with the court.
Here's a basic principle that is critical to understanding politics, real or fictional: most people are primarily concerned with the material wellbeing of themselves and their immediate loved ones. Many people will engage in various forms of activism in the hopes of improving conditions for themselves and others, but truly revolutionary activity is an extremely unappealing prospect for the average person most of the time. And it's not because they're callous or apathetic. It's because they have too much to lose. Revolution is bloody and horrific and sometimes necessary, but there are always heavy costs to be weighed against the potential (and by no means guaranteed) gains.
It is no accident that of the mages we meet and get to know personally, the ones with the most to say in support of the Circle are also the ones who have gained significant privileges within that system—and who therefore have the most to lose from an attempted rebellion which may not succeed. I have written before about the conversation between Wynne and the Warden in Awakening, in which Wynne expresses concerns about the College of Enchanters potentially voting to break away from the Circle. "The mages will never be free," she says. "The Chantry would never allow it. Our only hope for survival is to show them we can be trusted."
Notably, at this point in time, even Anders will agree that this is "madness" and "a recipe for disaster." Why would Anders, of all people, say this, given how adamant he is about his own freedom? Awakening Anders sums up what he wants out of life pretty well when he says, "All I want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lightning at fools." He's being glib here, of course, and there's probably a lot more going on under the surface (we're given to understand later that Anders has always had a lot of anger at the Circle), but I do think it's accurate to say that at the moment he's mainly concerned with maintaining his own freedom. And while he and Wynne have very different opinions of the Circle generally, I think Anders doesn't at this time relish the thought of a full-scale war, with Templars roaming the land hunting renegade mages. You can see how that might actually make it harder for him to fly under the radar as an apostate.
Nearly a decade later, Vivienne will express her own opinions on the mage rebellion that is already well underway, calling it "A failure of perspective that infected Circle leadership." Unlike Wynne, Vivienne's objections are less about the unstoppable power of the Chantry and more about the attitudes the general population holds toward magic. "Kirkwall gave the world a reason to remember its fear of magic," she says. "A mage killed hundreds with a snap of their fingers. …By voting when they did, my colleagues all but declared war upon the ordinary people of Thedas, a war in which we are outnumbered a hundred to one." Vivienne's argument (if you take it at face value) is that the rebellion was poorly timed and generally unwise. "By all means, protest abuses by templars," she says. "Just don't do it in a way that suggests mages support wholesale murder."
Notice that Wynne does not say that mages shouldn't be free but that they won't be free. She does not say that bowing to Chantry oversight is the right thing to do but that it is mages' only hope for survival. Vivienne's objection (as stated, anyway; Vivienne’s motives are complicated and another post for another day) is not that the vote for independence supported murder but that it appeared to support murder. In these conversations, the argument is never really that mage rebellion is immoral, but that it is unwise, impolitic, bad optics, bad public relations, not smart.
A point on which even Anders once agreed.
And why would a full-scale mage rebellion look like the best option to Wynne and to Vivienne—to mages who have spent years and decades working to gain the respect and trust required to be granted the maximum amount of lenience the Circle allows? Why would they throw away what they have gained for a war they don't believe they can win?
If enough mages believe that compliance is a more reliable strategy than resistance, you won’t get the critical mass for a rebellion.
But even Wynne fights back when the Right of Annulment is invoked upon her Circle.
One of the most foolish things a ruler can do in terms of maintaining their own power is to allow conditions to deteriorate to the point where their subjects feel they have little or nothing left to lose. And that's exactly what happens in Kirkwall.
This is Knight-Commander Meredith's first mistake: she fails to positively reinforce compliance.
We get the sense that the Gallows was always a strict Circle. There's talk of the Knight-Commander's severity when Hawke first arrives, long before Meredith gets her hands on red lyrium. The kind of special dispensation that Wynne and Finn enjoy from the Fereldan Circle is likely far less common here.
There is some evidence that such things occur under Meredith, even post-lyrium-sword, however rare it may have been. Notably, if Bethany Hawke goes to the Circle, she is given permission to go with Hawke to the Vimmark Mountains, and to Chateau Haine. In terms of game mechanics, this is obviously done so that the player can have a bit more time with their sibling as a companion, and for the Legacy DLC specifically, the Carta has actually been breaking into the Circle trying to capture Bethany, so it does make some sense that Meredith would want that dealt with, enough to let Bethany go with Hawke to deal with it.
But Chateau Haine is purely a pleasure trip, and Bethany is still allowed not only to leave the Gallows, but to travel outside Kirkwall with her sibling. It would be very easy for her to run away if she chose, and she would have a solid head start on the templars pursuing her. Bethany has demonstrated herself a loyal Circle mage at this point, with no intention of escaping, but I think that's not all that's going on here.
Let's talk about Emile de Launcet.
In Act III, Hawke is given the task—or has their arm twisted, depending on how you're playing—of tracking down three runaway mages. The first two, Huon and Evelina, are a blood mage and an abomination respectively and attack, leaving Hawke no choice but to kill them. The third, however, is a man named Emile de Launcet, who reveals that having been in the Circle since he was six years old, he simply wanted to live a little. He also reveals that he himself spread the rumor that he is a blood mage, hoping that it would make him seem "dangerous" and therefore more attractive to women.
It's easy to write off Emile as simply a fool, but I think there's more going on here.
How does a man who has spent almost his entire life in the Gallows, who is well-acquainted with the Knight-Commander's policies, think that telling people he's a blood mage is a good idea? In Act III? By this point in the game, it is well known that Meredith is accusing anyone who sneezes of being a maleficar; most of the Circle mages live in terror of just such an accusation. What in the Maker's name could possibly make this man believe that labeling himself a blood mage wouldn't get him killed, or made Tranquil, never mind caught?
Unless Emile de Launcet, the son of rich Orlesian expats (the Comte and Comtess Guillaume and Dulci de Launcet) has always received more leniency in the Circle than the average mage.
Bethany Hawke, daughter of Lady Leandra Amell who has come home to reclaim her family estate, sister of the Champion who saved Kirkwall from Qunari invasion, seems to quickly decide that life in the Circle isn't so bad. Undoubtedly, a large amount of Bethany's relief is she doesn't have to hide anymore and be constantly protected by everyone around her, and she appreciates the opportunity to be around other mages. But she also says in party banter that "The idea of the Circle is much more terrifying than the reality of it." She frustrates Anders with her acceptance of her new life, and judging by Ella's words, Bethany seems to encourage the apprentices she mentors to accept theirs as well.
Bethany and Emile's experiences with the Circle do not fully reflect what we know of the Gallows, and I think that's because they're both from noble families. This is important for other reasons too, and we'll come back to it.
But for now, what's worth noting is that the only examples we have of Meredith's leniency are for political expediency and accidents of birth rather than actively rewarding compliance.
I think it’s safe to say that even before things escalate to all mages confined to their quarters, not a lot of mages in the Kirkwall Circle are going out on leave for botanical studies. But as her paranoia deepens due to her exposure to red lyrium, as she begins to see blood magic and demons around every corner and in every person, Meredith stops rewarding compliance at all. There are no “good mages” and “bad mages”; there are only mages, not a one of whom can be trusted. Fewer and fewer privileges are afford to any mages in the Gallows, until eventually it is clear that all mages will be punished simply for being mages. There is no incentive for "good" behavior.
That's how you brew a rebellion, kids!
And when she invokes the Right of Annulment, not one of those mages has anything left to lose.
I am far from the first person to point out that Anders spends his first seven years in Kirkwall attempting to change things for the mages by relatively nonviolent means. He wins massive goodwill from Kirkwall’s lower classes with his medical clinic in Darktown. He appeals to the upper classes the only way he can reach them, through his impassioned writings on mage freedom. (And the upper class is a critical piece of the puzzle here, but we’ll come back to that.) He works with an organized Mage Underground to rescue as many individual mages from the Circle as possible.
But by Act III, the Mage Underground has been completely dismantled, and ambient dialogue in the Gallows tells us that Meredith has confined all mages to their quarters and has already sent for the Right of Annulment, well before Anders takes his final action. She has yet to actually receive permission, and we cannot know whether she actually would have, but given that Divine Justinia has already threatened an Exalted March on Kirkwall through her Left Hand, it doesn't seem out of the question that Meredith's request would be granted so long as she provided the Divine with a plausible excuse. It is also very possible that in the absence of a reply, Meredith simply would have invented an excuse to invoke the Right without waiting for permission (given that she does exactly that after the Chantry explosion), and it's likely that is exactly what Anders—and every mage in the Circle—fears will happen.
And had that happened, every mage in the Gallows would have been locked in their quarters, alone, when templars came to their door to kill them.
By destroying the Chantry when he does, Anders provokes Meredith to invoke the Right of Annulment without waiting for Chantry permission, but critically he also does so in such a way that the mages have advance warning of their sentence. They have time to gather and organize, to fight back, to allow at least some of them to survive. Anders has broader goals for a mage rebellion, absolutely—goals which may or may not be met. But his immediate goal is to give the mages in the Gallows a chance to survive. And he does succeed in giving them that chance, regardless of what happens after. He also kills hundreds of people, many of them not templars or clerics but simply citizens of Kirkwall caught in the fallout—many of them undoubtedly lower-class citizens of Lowtown, including elves in the alienage. (The collateral damage is canon, and not just per dialogue in Inquisition; you can see flaming debris raining down over the place where Hawke is standing in Lowtown after Anders sets off the explosion, and Lowtown is on fire as you make your way to the docks, so this really isn't a point I'm interested in arguing.)
Whether Anders’ actions are morally justified, what kind of collateral damage is justifiable in the process of liberating an oppressed people, ultimately comes down to a trolley problem; I’m not going to get into that here and I’d appreciate it if people would refrain from having that argument on this post. What I do hope to demonstrate here is that something like what Anders does is the predictable and inevitable outcome of conditions deteriorating and abuses escalating for a subjugated people until there is quite literally nothing left for them to lose.
That is, in my opinion, Meredith's biggest and most obvious mistake. But there are two other failures that contribute to her downfall, and which I believe would eventually have led to her being removed from power.
The Absent Puppet
Following the failed Qunari invasion, Meredith increasingly alienates the nobility of Kirkwall.
There is an excellent post by @mllemaenad analyzing Elthina’s strategy for “mediating” the mage-templar crisis in Kirkwall and maintaining her own power. This post touches on Meredith’s second and third mistakes in several facets and it's also a fantastic analysis of Elthina's character that really helped me to understand her; I'd highly recommend reading it.
I have on occasion sees the nobles' opposition to Meredith read as support for mage freedom. I strongly disagree; that is not what’s going on here. This is apparent if you’ve played both the templar and the mage endings of DA2 and paid attention to the epilogue slides. Hawke can actually become the next viscount of Kirkwall—but only if Hawke sides with the templars.
The nobility on the whole do not want the Circle abolished. They are not interested in opposing the Chantry outright; when Elthina "gently" sends them home after Orsino's speech, they all comply. They were even willing to tolerate blatant Chantry puppet Marlowe Dumar as Viscount. Let's be clear here, the Chantry has ruled Kirkwall in all but name since the deposition of Perrin Threnhold. The nobles know this. (Even the random nobody city guard Hawke speaks to at the beginning of the game knows this; it's the worst-kept secret in Kirkwall.) So long as there is a noble ass on the throne, the Chantry maintains at least the appearance of a "proper" social order, and the nobles are willing to live with that because it does not overly inconvenience their lives, and as established previously, their own mage children will receive some leniency in the otherwise strict Circle.
Meredith openly seizing control of the city is a bridge too far. The Knight-Commander cannot rule the city outright; this is not how things are done. The nobles want to unseat Meredith, but they do not want a rearranging of the social order as they know it. That means a functioning Circle of Magi that keeps the mages contained over there, where they don't have to think about them, and a proper noble ruling the city at least in name. They do not want a coup by an anti-Circle radical. If Hawke fights with the mages, the nobles will not support Hawke as Viscount. But a pro-templar Hawke by the end of the game has accomplished what the nobles want. They have removed Meredith from power, while demonstrating to a city that still fears magic that they will continue to keep mages subjugated.
The Chantry and the nobility are always deeply intertwined, but the Chantry in Kirkwall has a particular stranglehold on the city’s civil government, more so than in other nations. That the nobility have been pushed to the point of opposing Meredith at all speaks to how gravely she has fucked up.
Chantry Authority
And finally, as MlleMaenad aptly explains in the post linked above, Meredith has alienated her superior in the Chantry, Grand Cleric Elthina—in part because she has stopped playing the game they both once implicitly agreed to. Her abuses of power have become too public. She has agitated the mages to the point that her First Enchanter is out protesting in the streets. In Hightown. She has alienated the nobility and turned public opinion against her. And that makes the Chantry look bad in turn. It makes Elthina look bad. If nothing else, it makes Elthina look like she (and by extension the Chantry) no longer has control over the Circle, and that’s a big problem. Elthina deftly distracts everyone from this problem by pretending to be a third-party mediator between the mages and templars instead of the person holding jurisdiction over all of them. But the conflict spilling into the streets of Hightown is a big problem for her.
As detailed by MlleMaenad, Elthina has no problem with what Meredith has been doing to the mages. She does have a problem with Meredith ranting and raving about how mages should be made an example in public, in front of the nobility—some of whom have family members in the Circle. (Again, this is why Hawke meeting Emile de Launcet is so important. This is why you have to talk to his parents, so that there can be no mistake about who he is.)
My one quibble with the excellent post linked above (and it’s largely a semantic quibble and not a practical one) is the statement that Elthina has no morals. I would argue that from Elthina’s perspective she has a very strong moral code—one that demands she defend the authority of the Chantry against all threats and at any cost, including the cost of her own life. Which is exactly what she does.
Multiple times, Elthina can be warned of the danger to her life if she stays in Kirkwall (once in Sebastian’s DLC sidequest “Faith,” and once if Hawke chooses to warn her about whatever Anders is planning). In both cases, she refuses to leave. “I am Grand Cleric,” she says. “Who would dare attack me?”
It’s easy to look at Elthina as simply overconfident, and I certainly agree that there’s an arrogance to her personality and the way she handles things in Kirkwall. But I’m not actually sure that her death is a political failure. I don’t mean that she wants to die, or that somehow she plans to. But to leave Kirkwall to protect herself would show weakness—not only in herself as an individual, but in the institution she represents. In refusing to flee from danger, and in dying for that decision, Elthina makes herself a martyr for the faithful. And in doing so, she probably sways a few people who might have at least sympathized with the mages to oppose the rebellion more harshly than they might otherwise have done.
That death, that martyrdom, serves as a pretty effective distraction from the fact that Meredith, whose actions made something like Anders’ actions inevitable, is Elthina’s problem to begin with. Indirectly, Meredith has become a threat to the Chantry’s power over Kirkwall, and she cannot be easily replaced without a tacit admission that Elthina has already failed to maintain control of her own Knight-Commander. If Elthina’s end goal is to maintain the power of the Chantry over Kirkwall at any cost, standing her ground to the point of martyrdom isn’t a bad gambit. It’s bad for Elthina herself, of course, but for the Chantry? Grief over her loss brings sympathy for her side and aid from Starkhaven by Sebastian’s hand, thus maintaining a Chantry presence in Kirkwall after the disaster and reinforcing the very useful image of the Chantry as a charitable organization, cruelly destroyed by a madman.
That’s a powerful narrative, and Elthina’s choices help create it.
But it only becomes necessary in the first place because Meredith, after years of success, is failing to maintain her power—in part, thanks to the arrival of an outside variable that no one could have foreseen, the red lyrium that pushed her existing paranoia to the breaking point.
Had Anders not destroyed the Chantry, the Meredith Problem would only have continued to escalate. At some point Elthina would have had no choice but to remove her from power, because the damage to Chantry authority of allowing her to continue would outweigh the damage of removing her. There are conceivably ways Elthina could go about this indirectly, giving the appearance that the Knight-Commander had been killed by a rebellious noble or even a blood mage, thereby avoiding any official admission of failure by the Chantry. Her priority would not be to replace Meredith with someone more lenient, but rather with someone able and willing to play the game, the same one she and Meredith played so well together before Meredith went off the rails. Keep the nobility complacent and the underclasses powerless. Maintain the balance. Protect the Chantry’s authority at all costs.
It would likely be quite troublesome to arrange, and Elthina thus far has been loathe to do it, but I don’t doubt that she would do it if she had no choice. And given what we have seen of Divine Justina and how she operates (see also: @v-arbellanaris’s excellent meta series on Justinia and particularly part 3) I feel confident saying that Justinia’s message to Elthina in “Faith” is both a warning and a threat: Get your city and your Circle under control or I will do it for you.
I also think that Sebastian, whose entire character exists at the intersection of Chantry and noble politics, realizes this, hence his urging Hawke to downplay the situation in Kirkwall to convince the Divine that her intervention is not necessary. For all Sebastian’s faults, at this point in his arc he really is concerned with preventing needless bloodshed, but he also cares very much about Elthina, whom he sees as kind of a mother figure. Sebastian is no fool; he can read between the lines and understand that if Justinia feels compelled to intervene against Elthina’s wishes, there will be no protection for Elthina.
Justinia’s suggestion that Elthina leave Kirkwall isn’t simply concern for her life should open war break out in the city; it’s also giving her a kind of third option, an "out”: if Elthina leaves Kirkwall of her own free will, she is signaling to the Divine that she does not have things under control and is willingly accepting Justinia’s intervention. This will irreparably damage Elthina’s reputation politically but it might save her life. In refusing to leave, Elthina is also declaring to her superior, “Your intervention is not necessary. I have this under control.”
She does not have it under control, and at some point she’s going to have to deal with that. As she answers to the Divine, Meredith answers to her. Elthina will not maintain her own power if she cannot maintain control of those under her and keep the support of those above her. Meredith is in the same position, just one step down. Neither of them are actually succeeding. This wing of the house of cards is set to collapse, one way or another. (And it’s arguable that Justinia isn’t actually succeeding either, but that is, again, another post.) All that remains to be seen is who will survive the collapse.
Conclusions
This is why Knight-Commander Meredith's actions lead to Kirkwall being the first Circle to fall. She fails to reward compliance and allows conditions to deteriorate too far; she oversteps her bounds and alienates the nobility; and she is even beginning to run afoul of Chantry authority itself. By Act III, Meredith’s regime is doomed.
Which is not to say that I think a mage rebellion actually getting off the ground is inevitable. On the contrary—even given Meredith’s downfall, things could have gone very differently had certain characters acted differently at various points. Had Elthina actually chosen to leave Kirkwall, tacitly inviting an Exalted March on the city, I think things would have gone very differently. Had the conspiring nobles managed to remove Meredith from power before things came to head as they did, things might have gone very differently. And had Anders not chosen that desperate yet still strategic moment to attack the Chantry, thus setting off not only the Kirkwall annulment and rebellion, and subsequently the locking down of Circles all over Thedas, thus pushing more and more mages toward open defiance, things might have gone very differently. Had Justinia herself taken different actions, not taken others, responded differently to the escalating tensions, things might have gone very differently.
Meredith’s actions, however, make some kind of dramatic shake-up of Chantry power inevitable. I think it’s even possible to see this collapse as the long-term result of previous Divine Beatrix III overstepping her bounds, upsetting the careful political balance between Chantry and nobility when she effectively engineered a Chantry takeover of a major city-state; that situation was likely unsustainable in the long term, and we are now seeing the fallout of it. What form this inevitable shake-up takes, and its ultimate outcome, depends on the actions of many other characters.
So why write all of this? Because I think Meredith’s rule and her downfall is a fascinating study in power. Beneath the fantasy elements, there’s an understanding in her narrative of how tyrants and autocrats rule, how they maintain power and also how they lose it. And these stories about power and power dynamics are some of my favorite elements of the Dragon Age series.
The same principles also apply to various other rulers in Dragon Age… but that’s another post for another day.
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lesbianholyspirit · 6 months ago
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Me loading up DAI to see Leliana acting like the cold and calculating killer she hoped she would never become in origins.
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