#justice league the rise of arsenal

[thelaughingmagician]

Justice League: The Rise Of Arsenal #3

[trust-and-jump]

wut. da fuck. ar you talking about.

HOW CAN YOU EVEN CONFUSE THESE TWO THINGS?????? Justice League: The Rise of Arsenal and Identity Crisis? THEY ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND IDENTITY CRISIS WAS 2004 YEAR AND THE FUCKING ARSENAL WAS 2010. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU, IDENTITY CRISIS IS A BEAUTIFUL COMIC.

[vechter]

free churro, bojack horseman // titans (1999) #21 // perihelion: a history of touch, franny choi // titans (2008) #23 // justice league of america (2006) #2 // in defense of loving him, clementine von radics // wonder woman (1987) #165 // dc special: the return of donna troy (2005) #3 // titans/young justice: graduation day (2003) #2 // unknown // batman chronicles (1995) #7 // the summer palace, succession // titans/young justice: graduation day (2003) #3 // achilles come down, gang of youths // titans/young justice: graduation day (2003) #3 // lighthousekeeping, jeanette winterson // dc special: the return of donna troy (2005) #2-3 // titans (2008) #23 // the nation's saddest love poems, sam j. grudgings // titans (2008) #23 // infinite crisis (2005) #1 // justice league: the rise of arsenal (2010) #2-3 // writing prompts for the broken-hearted, eden robinson // titans (2008) #23 // art by christopher troise // outsiders (2003) annual // aristotle and dante discover the secrets of the universe, benjamin alire sáenz

dick grayson + donna troy + roy harper + being absolutely insane about each other (inspired by @dukethvmas's text post)

[lexi7654]

Reading list #1: Lian Harper (aka: Shoes/Cheshire Cat)

A list of every appearance of Lian Harper. The daughter of Roy Harper and Jade Nguyen. She first appeared in the 80s and has recently made a come back as Cheshire Cat in Gotham!!

Pre-Flashpoint

New Teen Titans (1984): #21

Action Comics (1938): #615, 618, 627-631, 634, 636-637, 639 (Stories: tracks of a killer, the Cheshire Contract, Rocks and Hard Places, Exiles)

Secret Origins (1986): #38

Green Arrow (1988): #75

Batman Plus: Arsenal (1997)

Teen Titans (1996): #20

Arsenal (1998): #1-4

The Titans (1999): #1

The Titans: Secret Files and Origins (1999): #1

The Titans (1999): #5-7, 9-10, 13, 17-19, 21-27, 30-32, 34-35, 37, 39

Teen Titans/Outsiders Secret Files & Origins (2003) (story: Who Was Donna Troy?)

Outsiders (2003): 11, 17-19

DC Special: The Return of Donna Troy (2005): #2

Justice League of America (2006) #1, 12, 17

Green Arrow and Black Canary (2009): #25 (story: Bedtime Stories)

Titans (2008): #19

Justice League: Cry for Justice

Rise and Fall (Crossover storyline)

Convergence: Titans (2015): 1-2

Infinite Frontier

Catwoman (2018): 25-28, 30-32

DC Festival of Heroes: The Asian Superhero Celebration (2021): (Story: Masks)

Catwoman (2018): 35-38, 50

Detective Comics (2016): 1069-1070, 1077-1079

Green Arrow (2023)

[allovesthings]

What are some of your favourite moments from Dick and Donna’s Justice League?

Hi !!

The thing with the justice league with Dick and Donna as co-leaders is that it's a lot of big crossovers and big battles with different members but they do have some really sweet moments and they are constantly fighting together which is also really fun.

I also haven't read the rise of Arsenal (and I'm not sure i should, I think it's considered not great for everyone involved) so this will be confined to Justice League of America (2006) issues 41-60:

Donna meeting Damian for the first time:

Look at them, they know each other so well he immediately know what she came here for and that she is not okay (also I just kinda love Donna being amused at Damian's antics and Damian thinking he is part of the JLA because of Dick)

Look at the bro fist !!! I love them.

The prometheus debacle and Donna/Dick parallelism. (Yes I'm cheating it's not really a moment between them but still, it's such a fun way to contrast theirs personalities and way of thinking in that moment)

The way she think of Dick there:

She loves him so much and has so much faith in him <3

That whole training session:

Only they can have an entire discussion about the difference between the justice league and the Titans while fighting each other and saying they love each other.

Look At Donna and her faith in him. She say she would go to hell for him and I totally believe her.

Theirs Goodbye

It's so sad and also very ironic considering this is right before New 52 and Donna mentions she want to be forgotten...and then that actually happen.

and this entire team is kinda forgotten until Frontier actually and that's just sad.

Thank you for the ask, this was fun <3

[royboyfanpage]

HELLO BELOVED can u tell me abt how Wally and Roy's friendship/views of each other change after Wally finds out Roy is/was an addict (i think he finds out after Roy is clean???)

The few issues Ive seen abt this stuff were N52 so I feel like ur a better source

Alrightalrightalright

So first thing's first, I'm gonna address-

This, which I feel like is the most notable instance of Wally’s reaction to Roy’s heroin addiction (funnily enough, another mutual sent me a DM about these exact panels a few days ago- we’re on a streak with these). Now, it’s important to note that these panels were from Titans (2008), specifically #23, which was one of the comics leading up to Rise of Arsenal and, later, Roy teaming up with Deathstroke in this same series. At this point in time, Roy was already in the hospital and Lian was already dead- he just hadn’t woken up yet. Now, I don’t have any sources to back up that this is what DC was actually trying to do so I’m just talking from my observations, but this issue in particular very heavily focused on trying to alienate Roy- particularly, a teen Roy who didn’t have Lian yet. Almost all of the flashbacks, and even a few bits of dialogue outside of the flashbacks, are very derogatory towards Roy. See:

Yeah. Just in general, very not nice towards him. It tries to paint him as someone who doesn’t belong with the rest of the team, an outcast (which is just bullshit considering they literally made Roy a Justice League member a few years earlier for the exact opposite reason). A little side note- one of the flashbacks in the issue is a continuation to the ending of Teen Titans: Year 1 #5, a comic which was far more enjoyable than this one, and I wish we’d gotten an actual resolution to that little storyline inside of Year 1 instead of… whatever this is. Anyway, back to #23, at the end of the issue there is one little scene wherein we see Wally and Roy actually getting along in a flashback, and it’s when Lian’s introduced. Which, if you remember what’s just happened at that point in time and what’s going to happen in the Rise of Arsenal arc… yeah, you can see why they wanna push the narrative that Roy’s friends only liked him after Lian was born, particularly Wally.

So! Lets’s rewind back to the 60s and see Roy and Wally’s relationship pre-retcon, both pre and post Snowbirds.

Roy and Wally’s first interactions in the original Teen Titans series were generally pretty positive! Particularly when Roy was a “guest star” instead of an official member, Wally expressed a lot of respect for him and genuinely enjoyed working with him

The main problem with their relationship came from, as most problems do, a love triangle. In all honesty, the Roy Donna Wally love triangle is one of my least favourite Titans things- it’s just kinda unnecessary. However, at least in most instances, in the original Teen Titans run this triangle wasn’t particularly aggressive- in fact, the most aggressive Roy ever got over Donna was actually with Hawk, not Wally. Titans (2008) definitely played it up a lot more than it ever was previously, especially on Wally’s end. But the love triangle was definitely more of a Big Issue between them than Roy’s addiction- when Roy returns to the Titans post-Snowbirds, Wally’s concerns have nothing to do with his addiction but more on “0h great, Roy’s back so I don’t get a shot with Donna”

Generally speaking, Wally and Roy do have a pretty close relationship most of the time, especially when they reach adulthood. The only instance that comes to mind immediately where Wally talks about Roy’s drug addiction prior to pre-Rise era is in Teen Titans (1996) #13, and even that is not particularly negative and also not spoken aloud (though there may be more I haven’t considered)

And even in the Gargoyle issues of Titans 1999 where tensions are at an all time high, Wally’s the Titan Roy has the least significant issues with- going just off of memory the only real “conflict” between them was Wally’s single remark of “he’s not even an original member” and the very brief revival of the Roy-Donna-Wally love triangle for a panel.

I might be forgetting some things (to be perfectly honest, of all of Roy’s Fab Five relationships Wally is the one I think about the least), but generally speaking all the conflict between Roy and Wally surrounding Roy’s addiction was fabricated in Titans 2008. Why Wally? Not sure. But yeah, they’re buddies :)

[ontheropesss]

Justice League: The Rise of Arsenal #1

[the-might-v]

Nani Pelekai

G.U.A.R.D agent

Rank: classified

Age: classified

Alias: Lieutenant, Big lady, Big Butt

Mission statues: Active

Works tirelessly with the globalization universal arsenal responders defection unit. Recommend by former CIA agent Cobra bubbles, she rose up the ranks and became one of the top leaders of earth’s greatest defense force.

While she is fierce she is not without some acceptance of outside interference rather, it be the JL, Cavalry or the rising meta-human power springing out of control. However, Nani is very untrusting given the Darkside war as well as the uncheck powers of these individuals. Fearing they could destroy more lives then saving them, something most individuals. Will she enforce the Justice League to be registered or will she turn into a threat for the heroes?

[nerdytextileartist]

Late-Comer Spoilers for Green Arrow #8

So I've been thinking about Green Arrow #8 and the reveal that Roy is working for Amanda Waller. I think it could possibly be that Roy is running a con against Waller rather than just being mind-controlled or being extorted with Lian's safety. He saw that Waller was monitoring the Titans, the Bat-fam, every active hero and he undoubtedly wanted to know how far-reaching this was and what Waller's endgame was.

The big question is how he was able to sell his "face-heel turn" to Waller. I could see him telling her about his experience as a member of the Justice League and how they discarded him and others like him at their lowest, i.e. "Rise of Arsenal" and "Heroes in Crisis". He would tell her that the Justice League frequently acted without oversight, without any sort of accountability. He might bring up the Sanctuary as an example- the Trinity let Wally West take the fall, but their "care" was so negligent that they may as well have given each the patients a loaded gun. Waller may still be suspicious of Roy, no doubt watching him like a hawk, but she recruited him because he's still skilled enough to able to go toe to toe with Meta-humans.

Now this is just a theory or possibly wishful thinking, but we need to see more of Roy as the low-key strategist and they already did the "mind-controlled teammate" story beat in "Titans".

[watchmenanon]

"--what you can do now, Victor. Your physical strength is just the tip of the iceberg. The tip of the tip.

In a world of ones and zeroes, you are the absolute master. No firewall can stop you. No encryption can defy you. We're all at your mercy, Vic. From our power grids to our telecommunications, everyone's lives are controlled and dominated by complex digital networks that will bend, without effort, to your will.

The fate of the world will literally rest in your hands.

Its entire nuclear arsenal, you could launch with a thought.

The world's monetary systems and its complex interactions will seem as easy to manipulate for you as a child's plaything.

The question-- No, the challenge... Won't be doing it. It will be not doing. Not seeing. It is the burden of this responsibility that will define you and who you choose to be.

Victor... Victor, these are the words and deductions of a scientist. That's how I've been speaking to you.

Now, let me speak to you from my heart. Not as a scientist, as a father. Huh, your father twice over. I brought you into the world and back to it. You can't imagine how proud I am, of who you are, have always been. So many years with you I've wasted, so many wrongs I've left un-righted. Everything breaks, Victor. Everything changes. The world is hurt, broken, unexchageable. The world's not fixed in the past, only the future. The not yet. The now. The now is you. Now, now is your time, Victor. To rise. Do this, be this, the man I never was, the hero that you are. Take your place among the brave ones. The ones that were, that are, that have yet to be. It's time you stand...fight...discover...heal, love, win. The time is now."

—Silas Stone's complete message to Victor in Zack Snyder's Justice League.

[cryptvokeeper]

If rise did ever get a season 3 I think it would really benefit from a world of cardboard moment and yes I will elaborate.

so rise has that really sharp power jump right. Like, It’s a comedy show, so for a good chunk of it the boys are anywhere from mid- to shit-tier skill wise, Because that’s comedy. But theyre also kinda cracked power wise (hello mikey boat), and grow a bit as the series goes on and when they unlock their ninpo it’s like. Game over theyre so OP the kraang literally had to nerf them in the movie. So like how do you go back to fighting fuckin meat sweats when you could just send the entire US military arsenal at him. Sure doylistically you can’t because that’s a kids show and from a watsonian standpoint you won’t cuz like, heroic morals and whatever, but from an audience perspective you’re gonna feel at least a little like “well why not tho”. And it’s not immersion breaking or experience ruining or anything but it’s there.

BUT! World of cardboard.

So in the justice league cartoon superman has this speech while fighting a bad guy about how while his team may give every fight their all, he can’t do that because his super strength is so powerful he feels like he lives in ‘a world made of cardboard’, and if he goes all out he would cause some serious damage.

and that would just be SO satisfying to see something similar with Rise. Just them having to hold back on their abilities because they could destroy the fuckin city, or in a comedic spin they DO keep destroying the city and shenanigans ensue and they have to learn to actually hold back.

But then them facing an enemy powerful enough to give them a run for their money, not Kraang levels, not even shredder levels but someone strong enough to take a hit and it’s just

“foolish turtles, I am more powerful than you could ever imagine!”

“wait, you mean we don’t need to hold back!?”

“hold what-” *is interrupted by a boat to the face*

And to be clear the appeal here for me isn’t the epic fight scene. Like sure the epic fight scene is a bonus but this series has had plenty of good fights. The appeal is specifically the comedy, the catharsis of a scenario building up and playing out the moment where someone goes “pal, we’ve been playing on easy mode.”

[thelaughingmagician]

Justice League: The Rise Of Arsenal #1

[incognitotrail]

The Paradox of War: Are We Destined for Conflict, or Can We Achieve Lasting Peace?

In an age of unprecedented technological advancement, global connectivity, and the existence of international bodies dedicated to peace, war remains a grim and perplexing reality. Despite the rise of institutions like the United Nations and the International Court of Justice, nations continue to arm themselves, conflicts flare across the globe, and the arms industry thrives. Is war an inevitable feature of human existence, or can we move beyond it?

To answer this, we must look to both history and theory, drawing on the insights of great thinkers and political theorists to understand why war persists—and whether peace is truly possible.

Theories of Conflict and Cooperation

At the heart of the question lies a fundamental divide in political thought. Realism, one of the oldest and most influential theories of international relations, holds that war is inevitable because states operate in an anarchic system where survival is paramount. Power is the ultimate currency, and war becomes a necessary tool for securing national interests. Thinkers like Hans Morgenthau and ancient figures like Thucydides argued that the struggle for dominance and security would always lead to conflict, as states act in their own self-interest.

Yet, Liberalism offers a more optimistic outlook. Liberalists argue that cooperation, democracy, and international institutions can mitigate the causes of war. The Democratic Peace Theory, for instance, asserts that democracies are less likely to fight each other, and international trade fosters economic interdependence that makes conflict costly and undesirable. The 18th-century philosopher Immanuel Kant believed that democratic governance and a shared commitment to peace could one day lead to a world without war. The League of Nations, and later the United Nations, were born from this vision—though their effectiveness remains contested.

Meanwhile, Constructivism challenges the idea that war is driven purely by material interests like power or resources. Constructivists argue that the social and ideological constructions—such as national identity, historical narratives, and perceived enemies—shape state behavior. Alexander Wendt famously argued, “Anarchy is what states make of it.” If the global community embraces different norms, peace could be constructed just as effectively as conflict.

Adding to these views, Feminist theories highlight that traditional international relations have often overlooked the role of gender in shaping conflict. War has historically been framed as a male-dominated enterprise, with aggression and domination idealized as masculine traits. Feminist scholars like Cynthia Enloe argue that including more diverse voices, particularly women, in peacebuilding processes could lead to more durable and humane solutions to conflict.

The Human Costs of War

While these theories help us understand the forces driving war, it’s the human cost that truly illustrates its futility. History’s great writers, leaders, and thinkers have consistently echoed this sentiment.

Leo Tolstoy, a veteran of war himself, later denounced it as futile and unjust. In War and Peace, he depicted war as a force beyond human control, driven by senseless power struggles that devastate ordinary lives. His words reflect a timeless truth: war is destructive not only on battlefields but within societies and individuals.

Albert Einstein warned of the existential threat posed by nuclear weapons, expressing his fears with the famous statement, “I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.” His plea for disarmament resonates even today, as the existence of nuclear arsenals continues to loom over humanity.

Ernest Hemingway, a veteran of World War I, wrote in A Farewell to Arms that “War is not won—it’s survived.” His works capture the disillusionment of those who experience the horrors of war firsthand, offering a sobering reminder that those who glorify conflict often never bear its true cost.

Even military leaders like Dwight D. Eisenhower grew wary of war’s industrialization. As a former general and U.S. president, Eisenhower warned against the military-industrial complex, recognizing that the business of war could perpetuate conflict for profit. He urged diplomacy over militarization, emphasizing that lasting peace could only be achieved through cooperation.

Is Peace Truly Possible?

If war is such a destructive and futile endeavor, why do we continue to wage it? The answer may lie in the intersection of these political theories and human behavior.

Realism reminds us that power dynamics and security concerns drive much of international conflict. But Liberalism and Constructivism offer hope: if we can strengthen global institutions, promote democracy, and reshape international norms, perhaps war can be avoided. The feminist critique adds that by expanding the voices involved in decision-making, particularly those of women and marginalized groups, we might find more creative and compassionate solutions to conflict.

Furthermore, history has shown us that nonviolence and diplomacy can lead to peace. Mahatma Gandhi led India to independence through nonviolent resistance, proving that it’s possible to overcome even the most entrenched systems of oppression without violence. Nelson Mandela, too, transitioned South Africa out of apartheid through dialogue and reconciliation, offering a model for resolving conflicts without bloodshed.

Moving Forward: Solutions for Peace

To achieve lasting peace, we must approach the issue from multiple angles. Strengthening international organizations like the United Nations and the International Court of Justice is essential, as these institutions provide a framework for resolving disputes without resorting to violence. But beyond these formal mechanisms, we must foster a global culture that values dialogue over dominance.

Disarmament, particularly of nuclear weapons, is crucial. Einstein’s warnings about the consequences of war ring more urgent than ever in the modern era. Reducing the influence of the arms industry on global politics is also necessary; as Eisenhower warned, a world where war is profitable is one in which peace will always be out of reach.

Most importantly, we must redefine what it means to be strong. True strength lies not in the capacity to destroy but in the ability to build and to heal. As history has shown, peace is not just the absence of war—it is the presence of justice, equity, and mutual understanding.

Conclusion

War, while a persistent feature of human history, is not inevitable. It is shaped by human decisions, ideologies, and structures. By learning from political theory, understanding the human cost of conflict, and working together to reshape our global norms, we can build a world where peace is not only possible but inevitable.

The choice is ours. Do we continue down the path of destruction, or do we commit to creating a future where dialogue, diplomacy, and cooperation triumph over conflict? The time for war should be over. Now is the time for peace.

[geniusarrows]

Read List

Arsenal (1998) Red Hood/Arsenal (2015) Red Hood and The Outlaws (2011) Justice League: The Rise of Arsenal (2010) Green Arrow (2016) Green Arrow (2023) The Titans (1999) Teen Titans: Year One (2008) Titans (2008) Titans (2016)

[judedeluca]

I remember years and years ago how people and certain comic professionals legitimately tried to defend Rise of Arsenal by saying it was possible to do a meaningful story about Roy grieving over Lian’s death.

They managed to completely miss the point everyone was making about Rise of Arsenal.

DC could have done a meaningful story.

The problem was DC didn’t do a meaningful story.

[allovesthings]

I would like to say: I'm really sorry you tried to figured out what I read and I kinda accidentally made it random ? when I started reading I had a pretty solid plan: Robin!Dick > Solo!Dick/batfam stuff > Dick with his teams and then I didn't do it.

Just to make it clear: I've read a lot of Robin Dick, All of the solo Dick stuff until the annual where he got shot in the head in rebirth and because I knew Ric Grayson and TT' s run weren't good (including the DickBats and Grayson). and I'm slowly reading the teams right now (I've also read all of the other Robin's intros except Steph) .

I also read a lot of the crossovers (before New 52 and less after) and a few big Batman stories where he has a big role.

About the teams: Titans hunt,Titans (1999) and almost all of his justice league appearance (I didn't read rise or arsenal because Lian is dead there and I can't) are done and I'm slowly making my way through the 80s/90s titans but because I also needed a break after a lot of issues I've read started Outsiders (2003) and I'm about to start Titans Rebirth.

So I'm finally getting to Rebirth... the losing 10 years of theirs life thing.. how does this work exactly? Everything before new 52 is canon again ? They just don't remember and/or are starting to ?

Are we supposed to read it as their memories were modified ? Edited out ?

Was Dick taken in by Bruce when he was 9 or 15 ? (I hope it's 9, I hated that change).Is Tim himself again ?

What's canon ?