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theonceoverthinker · 6 years ago

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OUAT 2X09 - Queen of Hearts

Ooh! After how great that last episode was, I’ve got my HEART set on this review!

And you can experience what I’ve got to say right under the cut!

Press Release Cora and Hook face off with Mary Margaret and Emma in a race to secure the compass, which will point its holder to the portal into Storybrooke. But back on the other side, Regina and Mr. Gold, desperate to keep Cora out, put a plan into action that would kill anyone entering the portal - placing Mary Margaret’s and Emma’s lives in danger as well. Meanwhile, back in the fairytale land that was, Captain Hook travels to Wonderland and meets up with a vengeful Queen of Hearts. General Thoughts - Characters/Stories/Themes and Their Effectiveness Past I don’t really feel like there’s a lot to say about this segment. Apart from re-establishing personality traits of both Killian and Cora, this segment serves only the purpose of giving exposition for why Killian and Cora weren’t cursed and how they started working together. While it’s really well done exposition and it’s great to see Killian and Cora bounce off one another, exposition doesn’t leave a lot to discuss and what I do have to say is in other segments. Storybrooke The segment provides the ultimate test of Regina’s character thus far in the series: Rumple offers Regina a path of temptation and she has to choose whether or not to take it. This was fantastically done because not only has it been well built, but the conflict itself resonates with Regina’s character so well. Her biggest fears and dreams are pit against her, escalating the impact of the choice and making part of the fallout (Where she loses having Henry to herself) come off as effectively tragic and giving the resolution all the more bittersweet. Enchanted Forest I actually forgot that Emma had a story of her own in this episode as she deals with what being the Savior actually means. And I loved the direction they took with it. Emma’s intimidated by the prospect, as Emma would be, but she also is willing to accept the responsibility and that fear is channeled into the question of how much control she has over her destiny and what is to come of it now that her initial purpose (As far as she knows) is fulfilled. That’s a really good question to ask, and what makes this conflict so good is how Emma continues to give it her all, and it’s a combination of her history as the savior as well as her sacrifice for Snow that makes her heart unrippable and proving herself to be something unique: Magic. And her conversation with Rumple sums all of this up in a way that enforces Emma’s value and gives hints as to where her character will go next like a neat bow on top of a package. All Encompassing “Love is weakness.” There’s a contrast here between Emma and Cora. When the line was stated to Cora, it was from Regina who (As far as she knew) sacrificed her mother’s life for herself (For as justified as it was). As it’s being said to Emma, Emma sacrificed herself for her mother, and that selflessness between the later mother/daughter duo, partnered with her lineage, is what allows Emma to reject the notion for “love is strength.” Insights - Stream of Consciousness -Given his backstory, how much you want to bet that that “slave” comment from Faceless Guard 1 took Killian from competent fighter to competent fighter with a vengeance? XD -I just noticed, but Belle has a roomy as fuck cell. I mean look at that thing! My bedroom is smaller than this! Put a desk and a mini fridge in here, give me some WiFi, and make my bed not suck and I’d live here. -”A friend.” Not yet, Killian, but give it a few more seasons. -Killian can be the freakin’ best liar. Look a how well he delivers that fib to Belle! Like, if I wasn’t aware of what he was doing, I’d believe him. -”Do I look like I’m playing a game of chess?” Once again, not yet, Killian, but give it a few more seasons. -”Until.” I like how Rumple’s subtly comments on the change in Regina’s outlook on life, a subtle show of her redemption. -Emma’s reaction to Snow’s news about being told beforehand that she was going to be the Savior was so sad! Look at how shake up she is and just compare that to how she was when August told her as much in “The Stranger.” She now realizes that like it or not, this is her life and she needs to be the beacon for everyone. As someone who recently felt that pressure for all of two days, I can’t imagine how it must feel like to have to live with that mindset. -I know I’m supposed to be freaking out about Emma’s name being written so many times, but all I can think is “damn, Rumple has pretty penmanship.” -The Regal Believer development is just beautiful here. It blossomed so well from the last episode and now Henry’s showing more overt pride in Regina’s progress. It makes the fact that Regina’s lying to him so sad. -”No one mourn her [The dead fairy].” Rumple, dude, why would you say that? She was a nice fairy! Get your fairy vendetta out of your ass! -I feel like Regina has waaaaaay too much faith in Killian. Like, there are WAY too many holes in this plan, ranging fro Cora’s sheer power to the fact that someone can sneak through while Killian’s getting the job done. -So here’s my question: Why did Cora end up sticking with the Wonderland crazy aesthetic of masks and whatnot? I feel like that’s just not her style. -Look at Killian’s reaction when he discovers that the organ is missing! He can HEARTLY believe his eyes! XD -Yay! Aurora’s heart looks normal again! A touch too pale, but normal! -”Actually, no.” While I do like how the legitimacy of this line is retroactively made better later on in this episode, I feel like as it stood at the second it was said, it was rather weak. I love Killian, but up until this point, for as much as he’s talked about honor, we haven’t been shown it as much. While yes, in “Tallahassee” iself, Killian didn’t lie to Emma, that act was done more passively. What I want (And again, get later on in this episode) is a more active show of that honor, for not only did it poorly affect the present events of “Tallahassee,” but this scene in its entirety too, including the hurt that’s supposed to be behind Killian’s speech about the bean. -I love Emma and Snow’s discussion about Emma’s role as the savior. The way that it builds is fantastic and the tragedy of the circumstances that Emma brings up (That she doesn’t know of her work as the savior was finished when the curse was complete or not) as well as Jennifer Morrison’s acting is just fantastic. It sells her unsureness and frustration concerning the fact that her saviorhood was created not from who she was as a person, but as a product of her lineage and a prophecy. -Cora sure CORRODED that dirt away! XD -”Honor? For the pirate that snuck into my palace and attempted to assassinate me?” She’s got a point there, Killian. -Okay, so I want to give a rebuttal, if you will to what is considered a plot hole. In the flashback to “Dark Waters,” the events are implied to happen between the casting of the first curse and when Killian pretends to be a blacksmith. The plot hole that’s brought up is that that’s not possible because Cora froze them for the curse. My point of contention for this plot hole theory is that people in the shattered Enchanted forest are shown to be awake. Mulan notes that Killian’s been in their town for a month and that the town needed time to be constructed. Therefore, I pose that the time spell broke when Emma arrived and Cora’s words were more in reference to her interest in traveling between the realms and that it would come to pass after the curse was broken because that’s when Regina would have lost everything. -I really wish they’d still call Mary Margaret “Snow” when she came home. It’s so annoying to write her long ass name. -Snow is the ultimate archer! Like, what the fuck?! She’s so freakin’ good! Who can shoot a freakin’ compass like that?! -”Normally, I’d prefer to do other more enjoyable activities with a woman on her back…” I know this line gets a tough break (And I have something to say about Killian’s more...unavoidably shitty thing down below), but I genuinely don’t think this line means what many antis say it is. The line is about sex and as it comes right after Killian saves a woman’s heart and gives it back to someone who will ensure Aurora’s autonomy, the framing of that line as crossing a line just doesn’t add up to me. While these are my thoughts on the line, I just want to make it clear that I understand sensitivity, and if something like this line hit close to home for a situation for you, I neither could nor would ever want to tell you you’re wrong. Killian’s manner of speaking in Season 2 was definitely problematic and I’m glad that the writers decided to stop going so close to the edge of discomfort going forward. -”With my life on the line.” I don’t think this line was only talking about his own mortality. As we’ve seen (And will see in just a couple of episodes), Killian cares fuck all about his mortality. His “life?” His revenge. It’s so pathetic to see that that’s what Killian’s measuring his life as and it makes his redemption at the end of the season much more meaningful. -I love the actiony nature of the climax. -Rumple, was probably not a great idea to knock out Belle’s bestie like that. -Something to point out, when Regina’s holding Henry back, she’s physically holding him back, either consciously or subconsciously holding herself back from using magic like she promised (Also, Rumple is the one who has used magic throughout this set of present events. -*Totally choking up at the Snow Swan Believer hug* -”Just remember never to bet against you in the future.” Emma, make sure you do that because if not, he will forget HARD! -Rumple and Emma’s conversation towards the end of the episode sells Emma’s dilemma over her nature as the savior. Rumple says it best: He made the curse, but he didn’t make her. He took advantage of the person she was, the person she built for herself to accomplish what he wanted, but she as a person was the one who came through and accomplished things. -”Dinner at Granny’s? On me.” Ruby, did you steal Gold’s wallet or something after the assumed verbal thrashing you gave him following you waking up? Because otherwise, that’s gonna cost a ton! There are at least twelve people in this room and those dwarves eat a LOT! -The lighting for Hook’s ship is AMAZING, darkened by the clouds and fog, but unmistakably The Jolly Roger. Arcs - How are These Storylines Progressing? The Journey Home (May as well combine the Emma and Snow/Storybrooke stuff since they’re one and the same) - And here we come to the close of this arc. Overall, this story was so well done. It accomplished the task of opening and closing so many stories and arcs, all the while involving almost the entire main and supporting of the series. Additionally, it went on for as long as it needed, never feeling too long or short. Most every episode was satisfying and contributed to the solving of this duo-realm conundrum. Rumple’s Redemption - Rumple, of course, took a bit of a step back here, but I like it. Not only is he early in his redemption, but Cora’s a threat the likes of which he hasn’t been threatened to face since he started his attempts to better himself. It’s also given an added bout of weight due to the circumstances that Regina laid out in the last episode (Cora could hurt Belle) and that he brings up in this episode (The entire town as a whole is in danger). Regina’s Redemption - I misspoke last episode by calling it the culmination of Regina’s redemption arc in this partial season, because in hindsight, it’s more of a two-parter. While we got payoff the last time in regards to the improvement in hers and Henry’s relationship, this is the challenge portion. It’s one thing to work towards repairing relations with your son who you unashamedly love, but to help not only those who you hate, but to also risk a powerful and abusive enemy crossing your path in the process is something else entirely, and that was such an important distinction to make and present. Killian’s Redemption - *sighs* So I can’t help but feel like the missteps I pointed out in my “Tallahassee” review really did this particular arc dirty. Like, I feel like had the interactions between Emma and Kiilian been a little bit stronger in terms of setting up a dynamic where trust was being built but cut down just as it was on the precipice of really coming out, the moments here where Killian shows such vitriol over being betrayed would have been so much more powerful and to see them not work because of that is just so frustrating. HOWEVER, I feel I should say, that doesn’t mean that there’s nothing good to be said about Killian’s redemption here, because a VERY good decision was made that for my money, essentially revitalized Killian’s arc. I am so glad that it was Killian who caught Aurora’s heart. As I said before, that’s the kind of show of honor that reinforces that there is goodness in Killian and that said goodness can be worth growing. It helps to solidify Killian’s ability to be sympathetic in a half season that characterized his more villainous attributes well, but needed a touch more balancing when it came to the more heroic ones. This one action showed Killian as both the pirate with the snarky one liners as well as a man who can be saved, and that was imperative to see before we went back to Storybrooke. Favorite Dynamic Rumple and Regina - Rumple is one half of the fork in the road for Regina’s conflict throughout the episode, but what I really appreciate is that it’s not just left at that. Look at the following line: ”You won’t be able to be a better anything if Cora comes through.” Rumple knows Regina so well, acting as the devil on her shoulder, but also a guardian at the same time. He knows not only what Cora can do to him and the town, but Regina too, just on a personal level. While he doesn’t say this outright, choosing to focus on the more overt danger that Cora poses, the way that Robert Carlyle delivers that line and the history that Rumple and Regina have together convinces me that it’s true. In this episode, Rumple’s motivations are selfish, but not entirely, and I found that so nuanced that I couldn’t let it go unappreciated. Writer Adam and Eddy were in charge here, and of course they are: The run the ends of every major arc! And I think that’s what they do best. If and when they communicate correctly and are paying attention to what the other writers are doing, they’re good at providing finales that come full circle from where they started. This is very much one of those cases. I feel like Adam and Eddy were really paying attention to what their writers were going for and wrote this episode accordingly. Also, I genuinely like their writing. What they put into this episode works, with natural dialogue and a good use of story elements all around. In this episode especially, we get so many from Rumple’s stolen wand to the scroll in the jail cell to Jefferson’s hat and even the well! Darker Aspects (TW: Mentions of assault and abuse) Watching Killian smack Belle is incredibly uncomfortable to watch. I get that we needed a way to see Killian turn on Belle after she showed herself to be useless and magic’s not really his thing, but maybe he could’ve stolen some sleep powder. It would be more in character given that he’s a pirate and wouldn’t push a character who was designed with redeemability and sympathy in mind to a place that’s so screwed up. And I get that villains have done worse. Hell, this isn’t even Killian’s worst deed (Not by far), but modern sensibilities are what they are for a reason and something so personal as hitting a woman in such a real way simply strikes a lot harder of a note than a murder which for most audiences has a level of distance (Especially given the more fantastical methods of death in this show such as being gut by swords and having one’s heart ripped out and crushed), and this was the case when the episode aired too. Do I personally go on to like Killian after this? Yes, I think that’s pretty obvious from everything to my icon to my reblogs to the fact that I’m both participating in and creating a project partially dedicated to the guy, but just as with Regina and Graham, it’s a dark spot on a record that I refuse to forget, even as I move on from it. “I’m sorry, Mother. Without you, I’d never have become the person that I am now.” Given how abusive Cora was to Regina and how that abuse framed Regina’s mindset for such a long time, that line is so messed up, though better written for the fact that it was correctly framed for the complicated relationship that Cora and Regina have. Rating 9/10. What a fun episode! So much of the personalities of our mains come out as we close out the first major arc of the season! The entire episode was filled with great character moments and an earnest feeling of closure. It’s intense, heartwarming, romantic, and just a fun ride. I took points off for the uncomfortable moment as stated above in my “Darker Aspects” segment because that was honestly just disgusting to be portrayed in such a callous way and because of the disproportionate early payoff to the setup of the Emma and Killian dynamic. Flip My Ship - Home of All Things “Shippy Goodness” Hooked Queen - Regina’s hook pull was just sexy as hell. Going against someone as flirtatious as Killian with such an intimacy-inflicting maneuver just works so well! Captain Swan - Don’t think I don’t notice how the camera doesn’t point to Killian as Cora mentions how in 28 years, there will be a savior. Also, as this is a CS-centric segment in the scene with the infamous sword fight, I feel like I should weigh in on the immortal question: Did Killian throw the fight? My answer: Nah. There was this great post made a while ago and I don’t remember who wrote it, but they analyzed Killian’s sword fighting and concluded that he was trying to win, but not harm Emma in the process. Anyway, if you remember that post, please send it my way so I can link it! Finally, I found it to be such a good writing choice to have Emma be the one who heard why Killian saved Aurora’s heart because it was a good show of how he is someone redeemable. Swan Queen - Two things. First, Emma’s “thank you” is so amazingly sincere. It’s quiet, but energized, amazed and yet calmed. Second, the good-natured quips about Cora provides a very genuine moment of bonding for the two women for the first time really. Snowing - We get a great parallel here for the TLK that wakes Charming up. Not only is the dialogue given again, but the dwarves are there too and even the sheets are white just like in Snow’s coffin. It’s one of my favorite parallels of theirs, up there with some of the moments in “Snow Falls.” That’s because while there are these repeated elements, there are changes to make this a new scene and give it a different level of weight. It’s the first time we’ve seen a TLK in Storybrooke since the curse broke and new characters with new motivations are there for the ride. ()()()()()()()()() Season 2 has been utterly amazing thus far! Score wise, it’s doing better than Season 1, and even the disappointments have been relative improvements over the last Season’s. This is an especially great surprise because I had little recollection of Season 2 before I started this rewatch and I’m so happy that it’s been as good as it’s been and I hope that it stays this good going into the next arc!

Thank you all for reading and to the fine folks at @watchingfairytales! Putting this project together has really boosted my appreciation for the sophomore season of OUAT and I’d be lying if I said I didn’t love the extra boost my channel has gotten since this has started and the people I’ve met by doing this!

Season 2 Tally (86/220) Writer Tally for Season 2: Adam Horowitz and Edward Kitsis: (29/60) Jane Espenson (17/50) Andrew Chambliss and Ian Goldberg (20/50) David Goodman (10/30) Robert Hull (10/30) Christine Boylan (7/30) Kalinda Vazquez (10/30) Daniel Thomsen (10/20)

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celticheartedfangirl · 6 years ago

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Some thoughts on my future with watching Agents of Shield . . . . .

So I’ve decided, after I finish the S1 finale of AoS, to stop posting episode reactions, for several reasons:

1. It’s becoming obvious to me that they’re going to get more and more negative as I proceed. I have friends that I’ve had for a long time that are NOT negative about the show, and I don’t want to lose them as followers OR get into arguments with them.

2. I’m really NOT interested in debating the show any longer. I’ve made my choices on who I like, WHAT I like, and what I think of the writers. I’m not open to discussion on it and my mind will NOT be changed. So there’s really no point in posting anymore.

I will continue to watch . . . . but I’m probably going to look at spoilers going forward so I know how bad it’s going to get. I also don’t know how long I’ll continue to watch. I committed to 2 seasons and I’m honoring that for myself. Beyond that? We’ll see. More under the cut . . .

This is a fictional show about fictional characters and my opinions on certain characters in NO WAY reflect what I’d do or how I’d feel in real life. But I’m entitled to feel for and empathize with a fictional character no matter what he does.

As I said, I’ll post my reaction to the final S1 episode just to have the full season done like that. After that -- I’ll be posting reactions as I see fit, when I’m in the mood, and I can guarantee you that 90% of them will be about Grant Ward and will probably be a lot of screaming and bitching and general negativity from me.

I’d also like to dive into the skyeward fandom and fanfic/fanon world in peace and without judgment.

Therefore, I won’t be posting in the general tag anymore. Everything I post will be tagged #grant ward or #skyeward or #anti aos or #aos criticism. (Are those the right tags to use for negativity? Please let me know if they’re not because I want to post the proper tags so that those who follow me and don’t want to see them can block those tags.) If you still want to follow me and not see my negativity, please block those tags.

I just came off of 7 years of bullshit in the OUAT fandom, and being ostracized in my OWN FANDOM for opinions (that were PROPERLY TAGGED) that weren’t all sweetness and light. I’m still kind of bitter about that and not willing to do that here. People are welcome to disagree about a television show, but I’m just NOT going to go through that drama and bullshit again. So I’m firmly planting myself in the Grant Ward fandom RIGHT NOW and that is that. End of discussion. I’m not interested in the opinions of people who disagree with me because I’m not interested in arguing. I’m sorry but I’m just NOT. This show isn’t that important to me and I’m not willing to lose friends because of fictional characters. Block the tags and talk to me about other stuff that we’re more compatible on, or just unfollow me if that’s not an option for you.

One thing I am glad for is this show introduced me to Brett Dalton. He is wonderful and an absolute doll and I hope he has a great career ahead of him. I will be following that. You can expect Brett Dalton on my dash too. Obviously that will be tagged #brett dalton.

I’m sorry if I disappoint anyone who encourged me to watch or who started following me because of my watch of this show. I went into the show knowing NOTHING and expecting NOTHING and this is where I ended up, with ZERO outside pressure or fandom fuckery. Well . . . now I’m slowly seeing the fandom fuckery as I proceed. And I’m just not interested in that. I already have enough of that on my plate with OUAT.

Thanks for reading and listening -- I hope I don’t lose many followers but if this is the only reason you’re following me and you’re not a Ward fan then I understand -- if you ever want to talk about other stuff, my inbox and messenger is always open.

Please look for my S1 finale post some time this weekend.

#aos #agents of shield #grant ward #brett dalton #skyeward

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gch1995 · 6 years ago

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I want to watch new Drama/Fantasy TV series on Netflix and Hulu to get the bad taste that OUAT and TWD left in my mouth.

Here is what I want:

• A show that is more strongly driven by the characters consistently and believably, rather than half-cocked convoluted plots, and/or the creators/writers abrupt, blatantly biased, hypocritical, petty, and unfair preferential treatment of their favorite characters/ships, who they destroy other great characters/ships that they don’t care about as much to prop up their pet characters/ships up onto pedestals that they don’t deserve-

I dealt with six seasons of the continuity and logic of every rule of magic, relationships, storylines, and most of the timeline from S1 getting deliberately retconned left and right more and more inexplicably at the drop of a hat every season afterwards for (oftentimes disappointing) random plot twist convenience, and the writers completely stopped trying in 3B when they broke the rule of magic not being able to bring back the dead and decided “Fuck all the rules of continuity and realism in characterization and organic development in any of our remaining main characters, and fuck any and all sort of sort of storytelling integrity in writing a canon that consistently sticks to its timeline and rules of magic! We’re just going to reframe the entire narrative around Hook’s “redemption” arc and CS by ruining/retconning everyone else’s original characterization and development from S1-3A, and do whatever the hell we want with magic and the timeline on this show now because LOL, BOLD STORYTELLING! We’re really just too afraid to admit that we’re a team of horrible creative writers and show-runners, who didn’t know how to write more than two-and-a-half seasons of satisfying and original character development, who, thus, ran out of good new ideas for what else to do after 3x11, and who, thus,, would have done a lot better just ending the show with that episode because that’s clearly all we could handle before ruining everything that made this show genuinely entertaining to fans in the first place with our plot fuckery and character/ship favoritism!”

I quit watching OUAT after S5, but I still dealt with watching roughly four seasons of Rumple, Belle, Rumbelle, and Emma getting made OOC, and later on, outright destroyed in favor of cheaply emotionally manipulative “Gotcha” plot twists, and A&E and their team of hacks petty and hypocritical favoritism that led them to prop up Zelena, Regina, and especially Hook/CS onto pedestals that they didn’t deserve in their favor by ruining them to make them look better by comparison without really doing much to change them, or making them sympathetic characters in their own right, especially post 3A. I still kept up with the spoilers post S5, so I know about what they did to ruin all my faves to prop up Hook/CS, Zelena, and even the dark half of the EQ some more in 6A, past the point of no return this time around, basically.

It would be one thing if Hook/CS had always been a main character/ship on the show, and Rumple, Belle, Rumbelle, and Emma had always been framed/written as unsympathetic characters and a ship that the GA was supposed to consistently root against from day one. But that’s not how it was set up, no matter what A&E and these writers try to insist otherwise.

Hook was meant to be a guest villain, but A&E and these writers got distracted by him so much so that they decided to make him a regular by setting him up with Emma out of nowhere, having him take Neal’s place in the series, retconned the beauty of everyone else’s original characterizations, developments, and storylines on the show to make him look more “sympathetic” without actually doing anything to build him up that way organically post 3A, and made him the entire lead of the show.

Emma started out as a badass, compassionate, selfless, and sympathetic underdog for the little guy and the main protagonist on the show from day one until they forced her together with Hook, and ruined her to set them up post S3.

As for Rumple, he had always been written as a problematic fave from day one. I acknowledge that he had done horrible things that I could never realistically excuse, but from 1x08-3A there was a deeper sympathetic motive for why that was always explained on screen. He quickly became a fan favorite who the GA quickly sympathized with and rooted for as a sort of anti-heroic underdog, who with had a genuinely beautiful, believable, and consistent characterization and struggle for redemption that we saw, and expected to continue to see regularly once we saw his tragic and unfair backstory, and we learned about his love for Belle and particularly Bae and saw how everything he did he did out of love for them. We saw that he had a bizzarely adorable friendship with David, and we saw that he, Belle, and Neal were always willing to offer advice, compassion, emotional support, and understanding when he brokenly and honestly opened up to them for it by offering it in without enabling his bad choices, mercilessly judging him with negative assumptions without asking questions first, or giving him a chance to open up to them honestly, acting hypocritical, acting like they were so above him and incapable of having their own flaws and making mistakes, or making him feel guilty for not giving up magic for them. Belle had always had the short end of the stick on the show when they made her a regular because she often got fridged for Rumple’s man pain from S2-S3, but they outright destroyed everything that made her a great character to begin with from S4-S6 to prop up Hook/CS, Zelena, and Regina by turning her against Rumple, even when it didn’t make any sense for her to do so. When Hook/CS became the lead of the show, Neal was killed off. Rumple and Belle’s consistently sympathetic and complex original characterizations and development/redemption arcs in the narrative got so horrible butchered, and the two most important relationships in his storyline all got abruptly thrown under the bus and trashed on this show by A&E and these writers for roughly five seasons with bad writing, even in the final season when they decided not to fuck up Rumple’s redemption arc halfway through, just so they could prop up Hook/CS, Zelena, and Regina by shitting on him.

I don’t want to have to deal with watching another TV series where beautiful, complex, and relatable fictional characters and ships are abruptly made OOC, and/or outright destroyed in favor of stupid plot twists. I don’t want to deal with watching another show in which the creator(s), writers, and/or network have Gary Stu/Mary Sue pet characters/ships, who abruptly get unfair preferential treatment from the creators and writers in the narrative on the show with my personal favorite characters/ships getting abruptly, cruelly, and unfairly thrown under the bus for their benefit.

• A show that is run and written by a team of people, who don’t offensively enable, encourage, or casually dismiss ableism, abuse, rape culture, incest, racism, and sexism in the tropes they use in the writing for their individual characters, the relationships between them, the plot devices they sometimes make them use, especially if they let them get away with using them, and the plots they set them up in-

I had to watch every character and relationship on OUAT get tainted in canon with all of these offensively problematic issues in the the tropes in the writing for them in one way or another more and more from day one of this trash show of wasted potential in ways that disgusted me, including all of my faves, such as Emma, Rumple, Belle, and Rumbelle, just because A&E and their team of writers never learned from their mistakes, and refused to do so.

I don’t want to deal with that shit again on another show, or try to justify it, especially not in characters who often don’t get how problematic what they did or said is because the creators and writers behind them refuse to understand how problematic their writing for some of the things they make them do and say actually is in canon, and refuse to address it, no matter how many times the fans call them out for their shit.

• A show that is run and written by people who understand how to portray realistic reactions and fallouts to trauma and untreated mental illness in their characters by acknowledging that it exists and that it happened in the narrative, and allowing them to get help for it when they reach out for it. Instead of pretending that it never happened to vilify a character by refusing to allow them to get help, or emotional support from loved ones, even when they do try to reach out to them for it honestly, or work on being better to constantly make them feel like they have no choice but to revert back to self-destructive behavior, trying to prop up the character who traumatized them, or simply because the characters, who were traumatized in their narrative are the “good guys,” and the “good guys” aren’t allowed to have realistic reactions to trauma and mental illness because they are “strong” and the “bad guys” are “weak” from the ableist show-runners and writers point of view-

I dealt with watching this shit on OUAT for five seasons from season one, and from the spoilers I read about season six and seven after finally quitting, it didn’t get any better because A&E and these writers are hacks.

• A show run and written by people, who don’t make it so blatantly obvious that they are emotionally manipulating you with false hope by dangling a carrot before your eyes, only to abruptly snatch it away with a cruel “shock” value twist in their storytelling that becomes incredibly and disappointingly predictable when dealing with it as a viewer for five to six seasons-

Look, I get it, bad things happen in life. However, it becomes predictable bad writing and cruel storytelling when it becomes obvious that you are being emotionally manipulated by show-runners and writers with false hope for your faves. It becomes predictable bad writing and cruel storytelling when there is an increasingly obvious pattern in the narrative of the types of characters/ships that these writers abruptly and inorganically screw over out of nowhere after giving their fans false hope for them in the narrative, only to deliberately and cruelly screw them over for cheap “shock value, and/or to prop up their faves by displacing all of their shit onto their default scapegoat character through making him or her look bad without actually doing anything to have their Gary Stu/Mary Sue faves truly do anything to prove that they are reformed.

Were D&D and Scott Gimple too stupid to think to think that fans of their shows would ever realize that they often tended to abruptly kill off the purest living cinnamon rolls cruelly and abruptly in their show’s universe every season for shock value out of nowhere after giving their fans false hope on Game of Thrones and TWD?

Were Adam and Eddy too stupid to realize that Dearies/Rumbellers would ever realize that they abruptly and cruelly mostly turned their narrative against Rumple and his loved ones to prop up all their lame ass faves and CS after they killed off Neal and brought him back from the dead to make him an on-and-off-again trickster, even after spending the first two-and-a-half seasons of OUAT building up Rumple as a consistently sympathetic, emotionally complex, and redeemable character on the show?

• A show that is written and run by people who understand how to give their endgame romantic couples and familial relationships realistic, consistent, complex, healthy, in-character, and well-written conflict and resolution-

A&E and their team hacks often lacked the desire and ability to write realistic, consistent, complex, healthy, in-character, and well-written conflict and resolution between their characters, especially in later seasons. The only main living romantic couple, who remained mostly untainted in canon by their increasingly OOC, gross, unhealthy, and unrealistic character assassinating plot fuckery romantic soap opera angst in canon post 3A by S6, was Snowing, and that’s only because A&E and their team of writers didn’t care enough about them to give them any significany screen time, or any interesting storylines post 3A.

#looking for new tv shows #anti ouat #anti kitsowitz #anti ouat writers #anti cs #anti regina #anti zelena #anti hook #anti twd #anti scott gimple #anti twd writers #anti game of thrones #anti d&d

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faithandfearcollide · 7 years ago

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OUAT rewatch: 1x04 - The Price Of Gold

This episode made me angrier than I expected it to so having only been mildly interested in the flashbacks and being mostly frustrated by the present day story, I don't have a ton to say about this one.

I've never been a huge fan of the 101 retellings of Cinderella and I was glad they got this one out of the way early on. I did however like that this one added it's own twists and skipped over the overdone bits.

In what universe does Emma think it's okay to walk someone else's child to school against their parents wishes?

Graham: There's dental.

Regina really thought of everything, didn't she?

Regina has a point here. Getting Henry attached just to leave? Not fair. Funnily enough, pointing that out is going to do the opposite of what Regina's intending and will just end up inspiring Emma to stay. Question is, does she realize that and doesn't care because she really needs to make sure Emma's aware she could hurt him and Regina's trying to avoid that no matter what that means? Or does she not realize that and is hoping pointing it out will inspire Emma to make a break for it? A bit if both probably. I’m sure by this point Regina doesn’t expect Henry to be attached yet and is hoping Emma leaves before that happens.

And no I don’t think that’s for entirely pure reasons. But also not entirely self-serving reasons either. I think Regina is thinking about Henry and not wanting him to go through that feeling of abandonment again. However I think the only solution Regina’s thinking of is the one where she gets Henry to herself.

Worst. Stage-drop. Ever.

Ruby perky running over and her little "Mhmm!" saves the scene though.

Emma: People are going to tell you who you are your whole life. You just got to punch back and say, "no, this is who I am." You want people to look at you differently? Make them.

This line did not age well.

The Mills’ in their natural habitat.

Is walking into his teachers apartment without knocking a normal occurrence?

Henry: Do you know who that is? Emma: Yeah, course I do. Henry: Who? Cause I’m still trying to figure it out.

Have I mentioned how much I love Henry/Jared yet? Cause I really really do. And this whole line.

Henry ‘little shit’ Mills. I'll give kudos to Emma here for trying to be responsible. Henry really is making this impossible on her.

The princesses dancing together was such a lovely little touch

Emma: Anyone who wants to be a mother, should damn well be allowed to be one.

The 'read-between-the-lines' aspect of this line is real shitty when you know she is actually talking about her and the child she willingly gave up (albeit, under crappy circumstances) and is now trying to ignore the rights of another woman trying to be (and who is actually) a mother.

This is where the anti-adoption narrative really starts to make my skin crawl.

Ruby being the spokes person for the little guys and being a good friend is just a few of the many reasons I adore this character.

Emma: If you want to give this kid its best chance, it’s going to be with someone who’s ready, so know what that means. Your whole life is going to change and once you decide that it’s yours, this ‘running away’ can’t happen. You have to grow up and you can’t ever leave. Understand?

This is obviously Emma talking about herself...except she already left and gave her kid up to give him his best chance. The writers not being able to tell the difference between her situation and Ashley’s is exactly why this entire story becomes so damn infuriating. And thank God they fixed this mess but goodness the narrative implications this entire episode are awful, and without the future knowledge that the narrative respects Regina as his mother better later....well, you’re just left with a really bad taste in your mouth from lines like these.

I can totally accept that this thought process from Emma is a character flaw. And not one I’d hate if you can understand her psychology of being a lonely messed up young woman that just wants a family and regrets giving that up with Henry...but the fact that the narrative never calls this out as a flaw and glorifies her coming in and stepping all over Regina’s rights as Henry’s parent?

*LONG EXASPERATED SIIIIIIIIIGGGGGHHHH* <---Expect a lot of this through out season 1.

I liked their little nods to the shoe without actually doing the original tale of it that's been done a million times. One thing this episode had going for it was that it really was a great example of OUAT’s theme of doing the tales we all know and love without redoing the aspects that are overdone. Picking up the story where the originals left off with nods to those tales is exactly why this show worked so well.

"When you see the future, there is irony everywhere.”

#once upon a time #watchingfairytales #ouat rewatch #picspam #ouat #anti-emma swan

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piracytheorist · 7 years ago

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no one is erasing milah from narrative as part of the past, because that is part of Hook's past, just because the fandom didnt pay much emphasis on her, no one erased Hook's revenge and first love.... i think you completely missed the point of the post you saw and talking about. are you going to complain how milah is erased from rumple's past when he murdered her and nothing has come of it. and i really dont know how milah even came to the conclusion of what the debate of wish hook lol

Wow.

There's so much presumption and misunderstanding in this message I don't know where to begin (and if I even should).

"no one is erasing milah from narrative as part of the past, because that is part of Hook's past, just because the fandom didnt pay much emphasis on her, no one erased Hook's revenge and first love"

Yes, no writer in OUAT has erased Milah ('cept for that time they destroyed her soul). But fans have constantly written fics where there simply is no Milah around, or meta where they say that she wasn’t a positive influence for him because she wasn’t his TrUE loVE!!!11! and Emma is better just because she is his TruE LoVE!!!1!

Besides the fact that that is piting a female character (who was murdered twice, horribly) against another female character (when all those two characters did on screen was work together like the Boss Ass Bitches they are), that is Milah erasure, because they’re simply saying that Milah didn’t have any impact on Killian’s characterization.

I could point you to so many anti-Milah posts written from CSers but 1) that would take a lot of time and 2) I don’t want to point fingers at certain people.

“i think you completely missed the point of the post you saw and talking about”

You’re right, anonyme. You think. And I’m kind of confused about what post you’re talking about. How do you even know what post I saw and came in my own fucking blog to vent about it? How do you even know it was a post I saw and I was not prompted by a private discussion?

“are you going to complain how milah is erased from rumple's past when he murdered her and nothing has come of it.”

Uhm, actually, I have. A TON OF TIMES. My initial review of 5x14 is just mostly 2500 words of me screaming out about how horrible this episode was, how horrible Milah’s treatment was and how I hoped she would come back. And I have made the occassional post about how RumpeIstiltskin needs to be brought to justice for what he did and Milah needs to have her justice.

In fact, my top-noted drabble is just about that.

If you have no fucking clue about what I post and what opinions I have do not fucking come into my inbox and presume things about me. Okay? Okay.

“and i really dont know how milah even came to the conclusion of what the debate of wish hook lol”

And this is the proof that I shouldn’t have bothered with this message in the first place, because it’s obvious that you didn’t understand how Milah was brought into the discussion, LOL.

But because I’m cheerful this morning and have already done my homework for my German class, I’ll explain it to you: There have been CS fans who have been erasing Milah, like I explained above, for a very long time. Coming now and complaining about Emma erasure in the narrative is complete hypocrisy and partiality, since they themselves have been doing the same with another female character that Killian Jones, their fave, once loved until she died in his arms.

Mind you that I’m not talking about all fans who are talking about Emma erasure. I’m talking about a certain part of those fans who I’ve constantly seen bash and erase Milah in the past.

And this is my blog and I have every right to complain about it, as you have every right to unfollow me and ignore my posts and leave us both be :)

#fandom stuff #you come into my house #Anonymous #ask and ye shall receive

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doctormaster · 8 years ago

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You know, I haven’t seen OUAT since Neal died. But from everything that I’ve been reading, people are pissed because Emma isn’t as Season 1 “bad ass” anymore, and honestly I think that is in itself a bit misogynistic because it erases her humanity and (potential) growth.

Hear me out.

I’m a huge anti-CS myself but not necessarily because of Emma’s character change--from what I’ve heard, she’s become more vulnerable (not a bad thing)--but because the writers distastefully makes her vulnerability a WEAK spot through which Hook’s character takes precedence i.e. Hook is now the most important person in Emma’s life OVER HERSELF, HER PARENTS, AND HER CHILD.

Let me reiterate that: IF YOUR VULNERABILITY MAKES YOUR SIGNIFICANT OTHER MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOURSELF, THEN IT IS NOT VULNERABILITY AS GROWTH (I.E. A STRENGTH). What is it then, you asked? It is “vulnerability” as the receiving end of emotional manipulation, particularly egged on by your significant other’s prioritized existence.

The misogynistic inception of this “vulnerability” Emma has around Hook is so distasteful considering the way HOOK PURSUED/ STALKED/ MANIPULATED EMMA (AND THOSE AROUND HER) THROUGHOUT HER WEAK MOMENTS WHEN SHE WAS GOING THROUGH A LOT OF STUFF IN HER LIFE. Neal had just died and come back in her life, remember? Henry had just been kidnapped, remember? Her dad was dying from that Neverland water, remember?... From what I understand, Emma’s vulnerability has no substance and no understanding of her own self (her strength, her weakness, her needs, and her potential). This is not growth. This is repression.

Vulnerability is strength. It makes you more compassionate. Makes you more open to learning about yourself, therefore giving yourself the opportunity to understand the people who love you (your mom, dad, child, etc). Part of growth is HUMAN CONNECTION. This is why vulnerability is a strength.

I know Hook fans will use this post as a way to justify their fucking shitty ship, in which case YA ALL MISS THE POINT.

#ouat #once upon a time #emma swan #neal cassidy #anti captain swan #Swanfire #swanfire forever baby 🔥

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nettlestonenell · 8 years ago

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2017 Fandom Feels Update

(in no particular order)

Peaky Blinders - I probably don't quite know how to talk about Peaky Blinders. It's a show that both fascinated and repulsed me. It's definitely unforgettable. But I think it also overly takes advantage of the fact it doesn't air on US network television (in the sense that I absolutely believe it is far more graphic far more of the time than it needs to be). Cillian Murphy is mesmerizing, an anti-hero (of which there are just so very many right now) created in the belly of poverty and the tunnels of WWI, he has very few illusions about himself. He's a man who says very little, and as frustrating as that is at times narratively, it works for me. I fall into what tumblr lets me know are the rare ranks of those who really enjoyed the character of Grace (to be specific: S1 Grace). As with many shows that I prize, it made choices and went in directions opposite of what I expected, which always gets my attention if the writers and actors can pull it off, which here they did many times.

TURN - June 17. I have no idea what to expect. S3 seemingly terminated so many at-play plots for the show (Andre, Arnold, Rogers, Simcoe, Hewlett), I found it personally to be the weakest of the 3, but will definitely tune in to S4 and what may come. Frankly, I am disappointed the Arnolds will still be in the mix, because I had hoped that uncomfortable plot had been put to rest last season. Also, I am a little allergic to tumblr's deep fascination with Robert Townsend on the show, who as far as I can see has done little so far in his few scenes other than pout.

Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries - I watched S1 of this about a year ago, but found the S2 opener altered in tone and production values and so I walked away for awhile. Recently I watched and enjoyed S2 and S3, but S1 will forever be my special baby. It's the rare show that really is everything tumblr wants to tell you about it. And as far as I'm concerned the genius will-they-won't-they could have gone on forever and a day. It didn't matter. I never genuinely wanted them to in-story. And that's a rare show, where creators know what's just right, and what might be too much. In many ways, this show is Robin Hood-ish. The found family that just also happens to be made up of people whose exact skills you need to accomplish your ends. Maid Marian as Jack Robinson, on Robin's side but not yet ready to fully join the gang. I just love the beats we get with Miss Fisher's gang of unusuals, we know things about them, we understand them. No one's a caricature.

The Musketeers - Let me say first that I never watched ONLY for Athos' and Milady's plot (no matter what my tumblr might convince you). I would have watched this show even without her being included. I went in to S3 hopeful on a number of fronts, and wanting to see something like what S1 had given us. And while I don't think the loss of Capaldi broke the show (no, I don't, I really don't--though of course it was a harsh, harsh blow), and think something internal (after all, the creator/writer WALKED OUT before S3 was finished, which frankly speaks to cracks in the show/network/creatives relationship starting in S2) DID, I watched what I think were three episodes of S3. This was about the time my system and couchtuner stopped getting along. Those three episodes convinced me I didn't need or want to watch the rest, and that retreating into S1 and what I liked of S2 would make me far happier.

BBC Robin Hood - Look, it's never going away. (Coincidentally, I did a similar thing with this show's S3 as to Musketeers, and watched two episodes and gave up. In the long run, it's allowed me to continue to love the show and "my" seasons of it without reservation. Knowing when to quit a show really can be key.)

Marvel's Agent Carter - This is a rough one. S2 was appreciably 'off' from both the tone and look of S1 (which I will claim among top 10 TV shows in my viewing lifetime, no doubt), which was disappointing. Peggy's narrative goal was less focussed. The show tended more toward that 'everyone Peggy encounters is super/special' and less toward an environment like that at the Griffith, where we see Peggy, who knows from strange and super, living in a mundane world, among normal people. The ending (particularly the romantic reveal) was rushed, and a huge disservice to the two excellent actors it was given to. I really liked how they didn't redeem Thompson, and want to know what happened to him in the cliffhanger. On the whole, though, a disappointment after a stellar year-one of very tight, extremely stylish storytelling. Yet I'm deeply dismayed it's not available on DVD (only Blu-ray)

Victorian Slum House - I wish the cast had their own confession cams, like they did on 1900 House, because I'd like to know each of them better than the show allows.

Daredevil, Season One - I did not know I watched this for Claire Temple. Look, I'm not a depressive person, yet I struggle with sustained bleakness in fiction. Couple that with hyper-violence (ymmv as to what that means for you), and I don't sleep well. I watched S1. And I can say it was a high quality. I enjoyed the cast. I really liked the Russians. And Madame whatever her name was that disappeared. But I got to a point where I was fast-forwarding every fight scene (and as you know there are a lot). I made it through to the end. But the payout was not (for me) worth the viewer anguish, and S2 and on will never be my flavor of enjoyment. Yet, send me all the Matt/Foggy gifsets.

Jessica Jones - I watched this for Claire Temple. Man, that was NOT a wrong choice. This show was (if possible) better than what even tumblr thought of it. Which is not to say there weren't portions I had to watch on fast-forward, or through my hands. I love that it takes place in the same world as Daredevil, and yet it's depiction of Jessica's section of New York is aesthetically so different than that of Matt's. Also, Malcolm. And Carrie-Anne Moss.

Harrison Ford - With all this Star Wars revival stuff, you know, despite my original deep affection for HF I often find myself feeling grumpy about him, about his talents, about what he meant to me in the 1980s (yes, I was alive in the 1980s, and long out of diapers). And then Netflix gets Working Girl, and I remember again that I forgot, that my personal trifecta of HF roles (Han Solo, Indiana Jones, Witness' John Book) is actually...whatever you call a quartet of charming effortless awesomeness. *Please go watch Working Girl. But don't even watch it for HF. Watch it for Melanie Griffith who proves she is a Grade-A Star.

Arrow - I removed my Season Pass on TiVo. Thing is, the show got caught (it's a common enough problem in long-running shows) constantly dragging Oliver back to having issues we had been shown he'd overcome. (This is so Emma Swan on OUAT, btw) I watched Arrow b/c I loved Oliver. But someone's trapped him in character development limbo, and also reduced his show to The Love Boat (in the sense that it exists now largely to introduce characters that springboard off into their own shows, rather than to move its own plots forward). Also, I have never been a fan of 'everyone in the world AND IN THIS NARRATIVE is super! No room for regular people here!' (see my comments about Agent Carter) Oliver vs. the occasion super villain was okay. Oliver in a world 99% (at least who he comes into contact with) super? No.

the 100 - If there is something in the first seasons of a show that you like, what the show turns into later you will despise. (This goes for nearly every show I can think of, not just this one. Shows change, often around season three. Non-procedural drama shows run out of the story they originally set out to tell and have to redevelop and redefine themselves. Sometimes the show finds itself. Others, it founders. Frankly, this is the subject of a longer post.)

#fandom feels #peaky blinders #miss fisher #turn #arrow #fandom feels 2017 #nettlestonenell

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whitewolfofwinterfell · 8 years ago

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im sorry u r no longer enjoying ouat, i just feel bad cuz i used to b a tvd fan as well. both shows were ruined for a hot bad boy/toxic ship. fanfics are better anyway! :)

Well, you can understand my pain perfectly then, by the sounds of it. Being a TVD and a OUAT fan is basically like being under a dark curse lmao and it really does suck, doesn’t it?

(Putting my answer under the cut because it’s pretty negative and I like to keep my blog negativity free. This is anti-OUAT, anti-CS and slightly anti-Emma.)

To be honest, OUAT has always been one of those shows I’ve had to kinda force myself to watch. I love season 1, but it very quickly gets so repetitive. I also feel like a lot of the time the plots just don’t go anywhere and there are too many side characters unnecessarily shoved in when they’re not needed. Aladdin and Jasmine this season is an example of that. I know some people like them and sure, they’re sweet, but I honestly could not give a crap about them. I’m not invested in their characters or their love story, they’re just stealing the focus from characters I actually do care about.

It’s kinda sad cos I started out loving season 6, but 6B has just been abysmal. No Snowing (seriously that curse lasted way too long), no Rumbelle, the whole alternate universe Robin plot which I hated, too much focus on Captain Sw*n and H00k (that entire episode dedicated to him and David bonding was the most boring 45 minutes of my entire life), not enough Henry. I could go on, but I won’t.

OUAT is just another show like TVD with poor writing and it’s way too fandom invested. C$ is popular and they know that so they’re giving them what they want. The fact that we’re finally getting a musical episode and it’s going to be all about their wedding is just so frustrating. I feel like they just don’t even know how to write for their own characters or story anymore. I adore Emma so much and it kills me to see what she’s become. I haven’t watched the latest episodes (I think I’ve missed two), but I’ve seen the spoilers that Emma agrees to sacrifice Snow and David into an eternal sleeping curse so she can be with H00k. And that is what’s made me decide to stop watching and distance myself from the fandom. Not only is it going against everything Emma as a person is, but OUAT is supposed to be a family show and that decision goes against everything that family stands for. I’ve already seen a post that made this point, but how the hell is it right for Snow and David to abandon their infant son just so Emma can be reunited with her boyfriend? Nothing on this earth would ever make me sacrifice my parents for a man, no matter what age I was.

The writers have just got all of their priorities wrong and I know Emma is the saviour and one of the main heroines of the show, but they’re catering everything to suit her at the expense of everyone else and that’s not right. Regina and Lana are carrying the show at this point and fortunately, the writers haven’t screwed up her character (yet), so I’m gonna get out whilst I still can so I don’t suffer through another crushing blow like I did with TVD.

And you’re totally right. Fanfiction is so much better. Why watch the show when we can read/write stories a million times better than anything the writers could ever produce? Fanfiction is the way to go, baby! :)

#answered #anti ouat #anti cs #anti captain swan

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gch1995 · 6 years ago

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Yeah, I was going to say, I think OUAT was the first show I watched that taught me the difference between hating a character and hating the writers behind them. I love Rumple, Belle, Rumbelle, and Emma. I don’t even hate Hook when he’s not paired with Emma, or treated like a fuckboy or Gary Stu to be whitewash “redeemed.”

But I absolutely despise how much A&E and these writers completely and utterly destroyed all of them in favor of asinine magical soap opera plot “twist” bs, Hook/CS favoritism, petty “anti Rumple” hypocrisy, and their inability to write organic, consistent, or realistic character development for more than the first two-and-a-half seasons.

I think they had Damon Lindlelof’s help in the first season-and-a-half. That’s why the show gradually started tearing at the seams in 2B with shit like the amnesiac Belle/Lacey plot, and then it completely ripped in half past the point of no return when they killed off Nealfire, brought Rumple back from the dead to vilify him as the on-and-off-again “big bad” after just having had the best redemption arc on this trash show, turned the formerly heroic characters into sanctimonious and annoying hypocrites, and made Hook/CS the new romantic lead to inorganically “redeem” him by setting him up with Emma.

You’re right. A&E and these writers had a lot of good big ideas, but they didn’t care about how much of and what of they “had” to throw away of the consistency or integrity for the details of realistic and likable characterization and development, and/or about sticking to their own previously established rules of magic and the timeline when it came to carrying out their big ideas, or to make their faves look better. A&E we’re capable of being decent scriptwriters, and good at coming up with interesting ideas. But they were awful showrunners and storytellers. They were awful with execution.

That’s why I was done watching this show after S5. It truly did drive me mad just reading about it on tumblr. It wasn’t good for my mental health anymore. It didn’t want me to think for myself, or to be smart, so I quit watching.

I thought this show was supposed to be about how morality wasn’t black versus white, and that heroism was about bravery, humility, kindness, compassion, empathy, selflessness, understanding, and equal opportunity without also sinking to the villains’ level to justify worthy ends whenever it suited them, or being hypocritical.

I thought this show was supposed to be about hope and family.

I thought that this whole “power versus love” crap storyline was written out of Rumple’s arc after 1x08, and that we were going to focus more on him learning to grow consistently and healthily to be redeemed through true love with Bae and Belle.

I thought Emma’s main storyline was supposed to be about learning to open up to love with Henry and family, not Hook

I thought Belle was supposed to be Rumple’s support system who understood him better than anyone without also enabling his problematic behavior at the same time, and I thought she was supposed to be smart. Not a hypocritical or stupid harpy who vilified him and treated him just like everyone else, even when he did nothing wrong...I also thought we were going to see her have a realistic reaction to being locked up for 28 years without memories at some point, but I guess not...

*Sighs*

That’s why this show’s canon is best to not take seriously after 3A, but to still observe to learn how to not tell a story that wastes fantastic characters potential, but a great jumping off point for far superior fan fiction with all of its great ideas.

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“the strange case” impressions

{Quick request to anyone reading: I’m watching OUaT for the first time, and I want to avoid spoilers. So, if you want to discuss something spoilery, I’d be grateful if you could start a new post for that. Thank you!}

Again, a case of “wow, I wonder who this episode is going to be about!”

no, I wasn’t really wondering. my, but that fridge is sure getting crowded, isn’t it?

It’s nice to see that I still have a reliable douche-radar.

This episode… ::sigh:: See, I really liked it, except for the parts I hated with a burning passion. It’s a weird mix, and I’ll try to unpack that under the cut.

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