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Wait I don’t know if anyone’s talked about this before, but in Jotun Loki fics, people always have the reader touch him while he’s in that form which sort of… never made sense to me.
Considering the fact that he’d be reverted to his Jotun form, wouldn’t anyone who touched him began to freeze? Hence why (perhaps one of the reasons) Loki in Thor 1 was so apprehensive about grabbing Odin’s hand, with the hand the Jotun grabbed him by and reverted him with in Jotunheim?

I… don’t think you’d be able to touch him. And he wouldn’t just be cold to the touch. Loki is ALREADY quite cold to the touch canonically (right bottom corner shown in the picture above), so in his Jotun form… he’d be freezing.
Anyone please correct me if I’m wrong, though. Was just wondering because I always had the sort of idea that if you touched Loki while he was reverted to his Jotun form, that it would be dangerous. Just like touching any other Jotun.
Which is one of the reasons he was probably afraid to grab Odin’s hand. Not only at the thought of himself being a “monster” and untouchable in that sense, but also literally being untouchable because it wasn’t necessarily safe and he was hyper conscious of it, even if he had already been reverted back.
I get people excuse things for the sake of Fanfic, but I actually don’t think I’ve seen people talk about this before. So I don’t know if it’s just them excusing it, or a fandom-wide misconception.
May reword this later. Probably sounds a bit stupid and might be straight up incorrect in some areas because I just woke up.
#loki#loki headcanon#loki hc#loki mcu#mcu#jotun loki#loki jotun form#frost giant loki#frost giants mcu#jotunheim mcu#loki meta#loki discussion#loki fanfic#loki fic#jotun loki fic#frost giant loki fic
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Loki and the Deeply Valid Fear of Being a Government-Issued Android Without Knowing It
Imagine living for over a thousand years, committing intergalactic crimes, then one random underpaid TVA clerk with a monotone voice suddenly introduces the possibility that, oh, by the way, what if you were secretly a robot this whole time? And Loki, who has always carried himself with the absolute certainty of a god, pauses. Like. “Wait. What if I am?”
He hears that question and immediately does a full mental diagnostic. Have I ever glitched? Ever felt oddly mechanical? Experienced an unusual fondness for oil? Maybe he’s too good at lying. Too good at surviving. What if that’s just the programming?
The TVA worker just moves on. He doesn’t elaborate. no reassurances. theres no safety net. Just the terrifying possibility that he might get instantly vaporized for something completely outside his control.
Id like to note, his hesitation isn’t even just some random existential crisis, it’s trauma-informed. This man already lived through the experience of waking up one day and realizing he wasn’t who he thought he was.
He grew up thinking he was a prince, a god, Odin’s rightful son, only to find out he was actually a stolen relic of war. A Jotun. A creature he’d been taught to hate.
He thought he knew himself before, and he was wrong. What if he’s wrong again? What if theres something else about himself thats been hidden? If he didn’t realize he was a Frost Giant, whats stopping him from not realizing he’s actually some highly advanced synthetic being?
It’s not just a funny existential gag, it’s a callback to one of the most devastating truths of Loki’s existence:
He has never really known who he is.
It’s the muscle memory of having his entire identity ripped out from under him. It’s the learned fear of asking, What am I, actually?
Because the last time he asked that question, the answer ruined him.
#loki#loki laufeyson#loki mcu#loki odinson#loki series#jotun loki#this scene was just his jotun identity crisis in a different font#loki meta#marvel#loki tv show#loki god of mischief#loki what if I was a robot and just didnt know it laufeyson#loki god of programmed responses??#need marvel to let this man sit down have some tea and process his emotions ONCE PLEASEEE#loki standing there like “wait. what if i am just some little mechanical guy”#i need the TVA to apologize to him immediately actually#LOKI YOUR CONCERN IS SO VALID AND I’M SO SORRY#loki’s life is just one long unbroken chain of people withholding critical identity-based information from him#sorry but if i found out i was a frost giant by accident i’d also hesitate before walking into a vaporization chamber#marvel really said “what if we made the god of mischief doubt his own existence” and called it worldbuilding#loki in that moment is all of us who overthink basic questions until we start questioning reality#loki text post#text post#text
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first time drawing him :-D

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I often hear people say that Thor, in Thor 1, broke the peace treaty with the Jotuns because he went to their realm and started fighting and killing them.However, technically, weren’t the Jotuns the first to break the agreement by infiltrating Asgard to retrieve the Casket?Of course, I know that from their point of view, what they did wasn’t evil, since the Casket is theirs and probably essential for their realm.But still, we could say it’s understandable that their action was taken as an act of rebellion, right?
And what if I said there never really was a peace treaty to begin with? Think about it. "In the end, their king fell and the source of their power was taken from them. With the last great war ended, we withdrew from the other worlds and returned home, to the realm eternal, Asgard."
With the war ended, and the casket missing, what options did the Jotuns have? None. Their planet was deteriorating and the journey to Asgard would have required either the use the Bifrost (which they couldn't access) or some of the hidden pathways (of which we are not sure whether they even exist in Jotunheim*). Jotunheim was cut off from the rest of the Nine Realms of which Odin was the (partially self-proclaimed?) protector.
*This is besides the point, but one could argue there were pathways shown, but I'd say this was in relation to the Convergence and thus irrelevant as it only happens every 5 000 years.
Odin likes to tell stories and repaint history which is why I would not rely on his retellings of what happened. I don't believe there was a peace treaty, I think this was just something he said as a supporting point to what he told Thor after the Jotuns' attempt to steal the Casket from Asgard's vault. T: The Jotuns must pay for what they've done. O: They have paid, with their lives. The Destroyer did its work, the Casket is safe and all is well. T: All is well? They broke into the weapons vault. If the Frost Giants had stolen even one of these relics- O: They didn't. T: Well I want to know why. O: I have a truce with Laufey, king of the Jotuns. T: He just broke your truce! etc.
After all, he was trying to convince Thor (and himself) that everything was under control. He needed Thor not to question his authority and to seem like a benevolent king and strategist. He certainly had never mentioned it up to that interaction because it had been more convenient to paint himself as this strong individual in his sons' eyes during their upbringing. He needed to establish this resentment and hatred towards the Jotuns and doing so via speaking of them as an equal race deserving a chance to end the war diplomatically would not have been as effective.
So, with this in mind, the question of who was first does not matter. It was whatever fit the situation at the moment and what worked in alignment with Odin's plan. He was the king after all and usually, what the king says, is taken as unchallenged truth. Now, if you want to get into the technical side of this, you could be right but then one could say he knew this was an inside job and then that would have led back to Asgard again, only it would have revealed possible instabilities in the palace's security.
As for the Jotuns, I doubt they'd have admitted this because it's easier to be seen as someone who had a choice.
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Probably everyone noticed this but I still want to talk about it. I really liked the loom and thread symbolism for managing time and timelines in the Loki series. It's a nod to Norse mythology and the three Norns who weave the fate and destinies of everyone at the foot of Yggdrasil, the tree of the world.
The spaghettification, inaccurate as it was shown, adds to this symbolism. The threads that hold the universe come apart as it gets destroyed. And that scene of Loki trying to grab them and hold them and not being able to vs the end when he is carrying all the threads and nourish them with his magic as they come alive and make the world tree. Just like how Norns use a well to nourish Yggdrasil.
Some threads are even made of the fabric of his cape and unweaving it.
Which is also a nice contradiction between weaving stories, unchangeable and fixed as they were with loom in place, and letting the stories unravel and develop as changeable and ever growing as branches of a tree.
#loki is the norns of mcu :D#the norns of myths are jotun too so it adds up :P#loki#loki series#loki series meta#loki s2 positivity#norse mythology#norns#yggdrasil#loki god of stories
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Brother Aziraphale: some interesting parallels
I got a bit into the Brother Cadfael mysteries by Ellis Peters and their mid-90s TV adaptation a couple of months ago, and my GO-saturated brain being what it is, I started picking out some fun coincidental parallels :D
On with the rambling!
Some background: the Cadfael stories are historical mysteries set during the Anarchy, a civil war waged between 1138 and 1153 by King Stephen and his cousin Empress Maud (aka Matilda), King Henry I's only legitimate son having died in the White Ship disaster of 1120. It's a fascinating period in English history that's criminally under-represented in popular culture. The books are extremely well-researched in their historical detail and are worth reading for that alone even if mysteries aren't quite your thing; the TV series is a tad variable in its level of faithfulness to the books, but it's good solid television with some excellent performances (see below for my favourite).
Cadfael himself, a Welshman by birth, is a former soldier and sea captain, having taken part in the First Crusade and travelled extensively in the Middle East and other places, learning medicine and generally gaining a great deal of worldly experience, before returning to England in his forties and taking the cowl, becoming the apothecary at the Abbey of St Peter and St Paul. His greater experience of the world and particular views on justice and fair play (which seem anachronistic but are actually neo-Aristotelian; perfectly accurate for the time period and character backstory) tend to clash with the other monks, who took their Benedictine vows much earlier in life and so tend to be less wordly and more doctrinaire. Cadfael is fiercely intelligent and compassionate, and if presented with a choice will always go for doing the good thing as opposed to the lawful thing, as he understands them. Luckily for him, though, he doesn't have to contend with Metatron-esque arseholes overmuch; the two abbots he serves under in the stories, Heribert and Radulfus, are very firmly reasonable authorities.
So now to those parallels I mentioned!
Cadfael:
Former soldier, still fully capable of defending himself or others in a fight
Considerable worldly experience and very well-travelled; consequently well-acquainted with human nature in all its facets and frailty
Has much to do with a literal garden, used for medicinal plants
Part of a religious order/organisation that is, all things considered, fairly healthy
Intelligent, compassionate and open-minded, which sometimes puts him mildly at odds with the other monks
Prefers to do what is good rather than simply following the rules
Welshman, played on TV by an English actor
Aziraphale:
Likewise a former soldier and fully capable of physically defending himself or others should it become necessary (see here for some of my analysis/speculation on this)
Considerable experience of the world through having been living there since the literal start, and is accordingly well-travelled; very familiar with humans and human nature
Is connected to both a literal garden and more metaphorical ones; the 'medicinal herbs' he grows in the latter are likewise metaphorical ( @vidavalor has a great deal of very good meta on gardens in GO; this post is a good recent example)
Teeeeeeeeeeeeeechnically part of a religious organisation, but one that's so ghastly that 'unhealthy' barely scratches the surface
Intelligent, compassionate and open-minded; the ways this puts Azzy at odds with Heaven are literally the whole dang plot! XD
Prefers doing true and genuine good, and [bleep] Heavenly Rules -- though Az seems fairly law-abiding wrt human laws that aren't complete [excrement]
Technically English, portrayed on TV by a Welsh actor
And one final thing -- the scene in 'One Corpse Too Many' (the first episode of the Cadfael TV show) that establishes Cadfael's character for the audience is one that I particularly like because it's awesome in its own right, and also because the first time I saw it, my whole brain went, "Yep, that's what Aziraphale would do!" In the scene in question, Cadfael intervenes to protect a vagrant who's being hassled by a jerkass soldier of King Stephen, then calmly, politely, wordlessly, and with great economy of action disarms said soldier with his bare hands -- see the gifs below:
And if you're thinking, "Hang on a mo'! That guy looks familiar!", then yes, you are absolutely correct! The first time I saw the cover of my grandmother's Cadfael DVD boxset, I actually had a bit of a knee-jerk fear reaction -- as in, reflexively yeeted myself halfway across the living room backwards -- simply because Derek Jacobi's performance in The Final Fifteen was just that effective! (Nothing was bruised except my dignity, and the only witnesses were a cat or two, who've so far kept quiet about it) He is just as skilled at playing good/heroic characters as he is at portraying terrifyingly evil villains :D
It's impossible to say, now, whether or not Terry Pratchett was consciously influenced by the Cadfael Chronicles when working up Aziraphale's character, but given that he was a voracious reader and Brother Cadfael made his print debut in 1977, it's reasonable to assume that he was at the very least aware of them. Certainly, they were a part of the referential sea in which he was swimming while writing Good Omens -- and I bet you anything the Ineffable Husbands like the books as well! (I'm less certain about whether they'd watch the TV series, though, given the lead actor's uncomfortable resemblance to the Metatron)
Thanks for reading!
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thinking about odin losing his eye.
the thing is, it's heavily implied that he lost it in the fight with laufey. it's an open wound in that scene, and it's surrounded by gouges that look forceful, not like a willing sacrifice on odin's part... but it's still not an entirely typical battle wound. it's easy to see how an eye might be damaged in the course of battle; it's harder to see how an eye socket might end up fully empty while its owner still stands.
it could be that laufey was trying to get to kill odin by getting to his brain through his eye, but he didn't manage it, and the eye was just scooped out when he pulled whatever pointed weapon he used back.
but it could also be that, at some point, laufey had odin pinned down, and he chose to do something painful and punitive rather than finishing him off straight away. (and even that he comes close to recreating this in the climax of t1.)
which, to me, seems to imply that odin and laufey's hatred is a very bitter and personal one... and also that there might be an old bond buried underneath it. laufey had the chance to kill odin, and he didn't make sure to take it... and later, odin has laufey pinned, and he doesn't choose to kill him either.
this moment also has multiple echoes among odin's children: loki (allegedly) gouges out a man's eye on an altar in the avengers, in a moment where he is notably imitating both laufey and odin, and representing their similarities. hela gouges out thor's eye in ragnarok, and hela is representative of many of odin's forgotten crimes, which could suggest that this was an asgardian move first (and would certainly make sense with their association with ravens!)
so perhaps:
laufey chose to take odin's eye specifically because odin had done that to others himself; it's a symbol of vengeance, hypocrisy, and symmetry.
at least a little of the love in loki and thor's love-hate relationship is also an echo of their fathers.
we could even take this further, and say that the sacrifice in the loss of the eye could even be the death of odin's relationship with laufey... and perhaps taking in laufey's unwanted child was partly a reaction to that loss.
hmmmmm
#i'm not married to the first point. i don't think it has to be quite that literal. but it's one possibility#but the second... ough. show me the prequelll#i'm not saying odin and laufey were necessarily like. best friends. but i think there should be SOMETHING. it should be PERSONAL#not just wounds but BETRAYALS#and also if anti-jotun prejudice used to be far far less but has been built up to 'monsterhood' DURING loki's lifetime... goddddd#odin im killing u with hammers#space viking tag#meta#ch: odin#ch: laufey#r: laufey + odin#r: loki + thor#s: t1#s: t3#s: a1#th: eye imagery
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Headcanon: Once loki sees his whole story, he starts going by Farbautison because his birth mom is the only one of his parents that genuinely treated him like a child, no strings attached 😭
#I just. I love her.#but really though#Odin was terrible Frigga was only slightly less terrible and Laufey straight up wanted him dead#loki bio mom supremacy#wait no loki learning to love his jotun-ness via finding out that his jotun mom actually did love him omg#jotun loki#loki meta#mcu Loki#loki series#loki headcanons
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thinking about jotun culture again
as it currently stands my headcanon on why the jotuns we see (all adult men + warriors) are wearing very little is that it's basically posturing, which is expected of warriors specifically, and even then probably not 24/7.
it's not clear exactly how impervious jotuns are to the cold. a lot of people assume that abandoned jotun babies would die of the cold, but it's not actually stated - they might be left to starve. and even if they are, we're still talking about babies, often ones already judged as "weak", so... your average jotun adult might have basically no lower limit on the cold they can endure.
and if that were the case, there wouldn't be much reason for them to wear clothing at all. after all, there are plenty of real life cultures where the traditional clothing is as little or less than we see on mcu jotuns, or nothing at all, because the climate is such that it just isn't necessary.
but if jotun's practical need for clothing is zero, and their everyday clothing is minimal but not zero... then why wear it? modesty taboos, sure - but where do those taboos start? i'm not an expert on these things at all, but i kind of feel like they have to be outside influence...? and if jotunheim and asgard do have a long and closely intertwined relationship, as they do in my headcanon, then that's a possibility...
but we should also consider the armour. mcu jotuns don't just wear little clothing - they wear little armour. they have a sort of short, fitted, armoured skirt/kilt, and then high status warriors like laufey have tiny, decoratively arranged metal pieces over the arms, torso and head that are probably better described as jewellery than as armour.
deliberately making yourself vulnerable can be an effective intimidation technique. it's not very tactical, though, and if it were a new idea it would probably cause panic/loss of trust... which suggests it's deeply engrained in jotun culture. it's not, for example, the jotuns getting desperate after the war and their subsequent isolation left them with a total dearth of resources to make armour with.
and then. there's the fact that the jotun warriors we see aren't only minimally clothed or armoured - they're also all completely hairless.
we know jotuns grow hair. loki in his jotun form keeps all his hair, including eyebrows. but the jotuns raised on jotunheim have neither. all jotuns, including loki, are also beardless, in contrast to the norm for asgardian men.
i've seen it suggested that loki doesn't have a beard because he can't grow one, possibly because jotuns in general can't grow them. but then why the hair, and why the eyebrows? i think it's actually the opposite - both loki and other jotuns choose to shave their beards.
(and incidentally - surely the presence of any hair, from an evolutionary perspective, suggests that they aren't actually 100% impervious to the cold...)
i think, for most jotuns, it's part of their male gender role, and a point of pride, to have as little protecting them from the cold / the elements / harm in general as possible. no armour, no warm clothing, not even their own hair. they actively choose to remove even what naturally occurs - perhaps symbolically linked to actively choosing to face the dangers of battle for their people?
it might sound odd on the surface to say that removing a "male" characteristic like a beard is a male gender role, but there's plenty of real-world precedent. iirc, ancient rome was pretty strictly (socially) anti-beard and thought shaving was a sign of Civilisation. and modern europe has emulated this at various points, although we're not currently strict about it.
which gives jotun men an interesting possible perspective on asgardian men. having hair on their heads could be seen as weak and feminine. but having hair on their faces could, potentially, be seen as barbaric, animalistic, and hypermasculine in a threatening way...
and on the flipside - i think asgardians probably find clean-shaven men intimidating, because they look like enemies such as jotuns and dark elves. but then they're simultaneously being cast as powerful, probably hypermasculine "beasts", and as womanly, and therefore weak...
and in fact, beyond connotations, thor actually canonically views jotuns simultaneously as super powerful monsters who could overrun asgard any day now, and as cowards.
and of course, if we remember half of what's going on with loki... often "weakness" and "cowardice" and "effeminacy" are pretty clearly seen as threatening in and of themselves, even while people claim the opposite...
so. demonisation for contradictory things at the exact same time. the enemy is both weak and strong. this is a very common part of bigotry, but it's always kind of psychologically fascinating to me.
#space viking tag#meta#th: ethnicity#the: worldbuilding#th: gender + sexuality#long post#god this is rambly. this has twists and turns. whatever it's my blog#also. i'm Extremely Aware that there are Stereotypes and Coding in how jotuns dress in canon#but tbh. since they're value neutral things. i feel like you can unproblematise most of it by just. giving it depth and internal logic...?#like. treating people like people. who do things for actual reasons#idk. i'm just musing here
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fandom goes into deep denial about the attempted infanticide of baby loki because the imperialism reading of it works against the text and requires that the baby be stolen not abandoned, and that this theft be for the most nefarious and imperialist purposes we can think of. whereas actually - and i was going to say this is 'the obvious parallel' but no it's not even a parallel it's what's clearly happening there - the baby's been left out to die for being disabled hasn't he?
the word 'runt' gets used but adult loki compared to other frost giants is not just slightly on the small side, he's probably equivalent to a human with dwarfism, which definitely brings this into Infanticiding The Disabled Child territory. which a) laufey cannot be allowed to do because that's a fucked up and horrible thing to do* b) we also can't allow that odin just kept that baby because by asgardian standards there was no obvious disability there. (the social model of disability, but with giants and less-giants**) "why would you be throwing out this baby, laufey? it looks normal-sized. it doesn't even have an unusual number of limbs. yeah, i am taking this baby as a friend for my similarly-sized bio-son. mine now. finders keepers." i point this out because the disabled baby is not saved by someone thinking disability-based infanticide is wrong - at least not necessarily so - but by being found by someone who doesn't recognise the supposed problem. to whom it simply does not exist.
and of course fandom loves sad little feeble loki being weak and pathetic in fic, but i have somehow never seen this tied to the fact that he is canonically undersized for his species and likely has some connected internal fuckery going on with his organs. we have no idea what made him that small or what it'd do and - here's the fun kicker for you angst fans! - probably nobody on asgard would either. when's the last time any of them had to look after even an entirely able-bodied jotun? how likely is it that they can just write off to jotunheim to say "hey what's up with that kid your king tried to murder? how would we fix him if he lived here? yeah, our king kept him. no, we didn't eat the baby! can we borrow a medical textbook? what do you mean you don't have paper there. well how do you write down how the orientalist belly-dancer outfits are to be worn? well then how... no, come back. did you just hang up on a letter???"
sorry, i digressed. what i was aiming for was that there is a very obvious reason why loki might be unusually weak for a lad who looks healthy to us and who doesn't seem any smaller or less able-bodied than the people around him, but i just don't see it being deployed in fic or in meta or whatever. is this because the 'laufey just left his baby out for some fresh air like norwegians do' reading kind of relies on that baby not being seen as a burden to be got rid of and we all kind of agree that... no. no, i shall not finish that thought. it is too depressing. it probably is that though isn't it?
anyway. this is me wondering what is up with that. other than maybe some kind of 'echo-chamber effect' where even the wildest ideas can become commonly-held fanon and where it'd be easy to just straight-up ignore a very obvious implication of baby-murdering because someone leaving you to just fucking die for being disabled is somehow not enough oppression for a blorbo in these enlightened times. or because it breaks a popular fandom interpretation of events. or something like that?
*in fairness i'd say humans from earth are probably within the group that's allowed to just not care about humans from earth getting invaded and killed.
**i say 'less-giants' because look:

look at this literal giant among men. tiny scrawny little thing, so smol and so freakishly tall to the humans. i call this 'the social model of smolness.'
#there was a similar discourse in ds9 fandom that tends to get a bit 'it's okay to be disabled! as long as it's not like... a problem.'#and obviously the richard iii parallels just write themselves at this point (though he probably looked about average as a child.)#(for a medieval european child that is. so maybe still kind of fucked up to people who have things like nutrition and medicine?)#as the earth's leading jotun medical specialist and also an expert in their attitudes to disability i -
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Oh loki would so be good at surfing.
“THATS MY HUSBAND!!!”
#once again my jotun headcanons are reinforced#mcu Jotunheim is absolutely a volcanic planet with huge liquid oceans under the ice#and jotuns are absolutely great swimmers#(and pescatarian but that’s a different topic)#but yeah loki loves water#Lokius#loki meta#Loki headcanon#Loki series#mcu Loki
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Okay. I don't understand how it's gotten to this point with fans pulling made up shit about Loki from their asses but no.
NO.
Loki is not POC coded. He's not Jewish coded. He's not neurodivergent coded or whatever the fuck else.
HE IS 100% NORSE.
BASED OFF A NORSE TRICKSTER GOD WHO IS A KNOWN LIAR AND POT STIRRER THAT FUCKS WITH PEOPLE FOR FUNSIES.
CREATED BY NORSE FUCKING WHITE ASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO KNEW ICE AND SNOW AND FROST TO BE FUCKING DEADLY.
HE IS NOT "OTHER".
HE'S AN ASSHOLE WHO ENJOYS BEING AN ASSHOLE AND HAS ALSO SUFFERED SOME HARDSHIP BECAUSE HE IS SURROUNDED BY ASSHOLES AND PLAYS RIGHT INTO THAT HAND.
Big. Fucking. Whoop.
ALL GODS IN ALL CULTURES ARE NEEDLESSLY CRUEL AND NEEDLESSLY SUFFER BECAUSE THEY WERE SYMBOLIC AND MADE TO EXPLAIN WHAT PEOPLE COULDN'T FULLY UNDERSTAND.
LOKI IS NOT SPECIAL BECAUSE HE RAPES A HORSE.
But you know what that really means? Loki plays into the cycle of abuse just like a normal person and then goes on and makes it worse by dishing it out on unrelated people who never did anything to him. Like, I dunno, all the goddamn humans he kills?
He's that psycho kid with a psycho dad who tortures ants because he can't find healthy ways to cope and it doesn't get much deeper than that.
Stop making shit up that.
EVEN IF IT WERE TRUE IN ANYWAY WOULD NEVER EXCUSE HIM BEING A GENOCIDAL MANIAC WHO CARES NOTHING FOR HUMAN OR JOTUN LIFE YOU FASCIST ILLITERATE FUCKS.
AND GUESS WHAT. LOKI OF MYTH NEEDLESSLY STARTS ALL THE SHIT THAT HAPPENS WITH THE OTHER GODS BY GETTING BALDR KILLED.
If you have to write paragraphs upon paragraphs of made up bullshit you call meta and headcanons or whatever the fuck to defend the idea of liking this guy beyond the shallow fact that you would never dare go this hard for someone ugly or god forbid actual myth Loki?
You do not actually give a shit about the character. At all. Because you don't actually see the character. At all.
Personally, I love Loki for what he is. A dark grey chaos loving trickster diva and selfish asshole god that fucks with people for fun and gets the story rolling. All of that is what makes him fun as a character while paying appropriate homage to the stories he came from in a way that still feels respectful of what ancient cultures were trying to convey.
But I also love the actual good Loki that people write in fanfic sometimes.
I don't love the posturing people use him for to inadvertently spread misogyny or even white supremacy that slips under the radar because fandom can't accept that their shit does stink and there ARE bad actors.
It is okay to like or love Loki. It is okay to want things to be better for him or to be written better for him. It is okay to write fanfic where he is all of the things you want him to be.
It is not okay to culturally appropriate and deny what he is canonically with made up bullshit pulled from your ass to pretend that Loki was justified when he was ATTEMPTING GENOCIDE. And it is especially not okay to then have the audacity to deny the fact that Loki has pretty privilege.
Fuck you people doing this shit. At this point I prefer those that actually admit they like him because he's hot. Because at least they don't go rabid and are fucking HONEST with themselves about this shit and about his character.
And above all?
LOKI IS FICTIONAL.
PEOPLE DON'T OWE YOU AN EXPLANATION FOR DISLIKING OR HATING HIM. DOING SO IS NOT AN ATTACK ON YOU. THEIR EXISTENCE DOES NOT CHALLENGE YOURS AND THEIR PERSPECTIVES ARE JUST AS VALID.
JUST LIKE YOU DON'T OWE THEM AN EXPLANATION FOR LIKING HIM. YOU DON'T EVEN NEED ONE. BECAUSE HE'S FICTIONAL.
Have civil discourse and discussion if you want to, try and get more people to like Loki and see the lighter grey in him even. But you do that by being NICE.
Not by being a dismissive, denying, bullying asshole that then pretends you have the moral high road over ultimately meaningless. Fictional. Bullshit.
I guarantee a majority of people who hate Loki now? It's not because Loki is imperfect or the "other". It's because his stans do everything they can to be toxic, hostile, and in turn make him look bad.
Even Loki's never attempted to justify his attempts at genocide. Escape accountability, sure. But not justify it.
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Me going through some old meta in a Thor stan's blog claiming that Odin hiding Loki's origins was the best course of action because otherwise Loki would be endangered:
Are you aware that letting Loki know what he is is doesn't mean that the rest of Asgard gets to simultaneously learn about it too? It'd be their little secret that they're already keeping. They could have told him what he was while keeping it a secret from the rest of the populace! And I don't know, maybe try to rein in both Thor and Loki's hatred of Jotuns before doing so, considering that Loki is one.
I think it'd actually be worse if (like in the comics) everyone's aware that Loki's a Jotun, but neither the comics nor the MCU's approach are the best course of action.
#mcu!loki#mcu!odin#mcu!frigga#i scream at old meta#like the old man screams at clouds#talking to myself#fandom wank
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Did anybody see the original Loki s2e5 concept art someone posted on Twitter?? I need to talk about it.
#loki series#loki season 2#mcu Loki#loki meta#jotun loki#mcu Jotunheim#idk where the person got it from or if it’s even legit but if it is?? oooh boy#it confirms that a.) Loki’s mom was also jotun b.) she was the size of a regular person & c.) she was sad about leaving him#I’m gonna cry
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i've been thinking about jotun thor designs today, particularly his hair. so far i've only seen people leave it blond, which is fair enough, but i feel like there's a lot of fun potential in trying to make a jotun *equivalent* to blond that would fit more naturally into the jotun landscape...
some possibilities for light jotun hair:
snow white (pigment operating on a simple on/off binary)
white with subtle yellow undertones, like a polar bear
white with subtle blue undertones, like ice
pale blue
silvery grey
charcoal grey, like an arctic fox's summer coat
white flecked with/layered over black (or another colour)
a mixture of muted yellows, browns and greys, like a snow leopard
pale pink - low levels of the same red pigment as in their eyes (presumably a display feature rather than camouflage - which might explain why warriors normally shave their heads)
slapdash moodboard with some of the more realistic sources of inspiration:






and the more fantastical:



#space viking tag#meta#<- i don't have a headcanon tag so close enough#th: worldbuilding#i haven't thought about this before because i've been assuming all jotuns have black hair#but the challenge of making thor recognisably blond in jotun form is a fun one#so many options#the pink is quite out there but i think you could make it work if you really tried lol#esp if you showed the full spectrum including the ppl with crimson and red-black hair too
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