#jemmy laurens

[ixis-stuff]

hi i thought i’d dump post my lams art (laureloch, just laurens + jemmy, and washington aides art there too)

@nerenight ‘s washington aide one shot fic inspired art for the one with their writing in it and the sketch of hamilton asking if du ponceau wants to try on his glasses lololl!

oh my god i need to draw some of their other chapters, i personally think they capture the aides as a whole in my favorite way of all time (i can ramble for hours but well..)

[yr-obedt-cicero]

Do eleborate

After Henry decided to take his three boys, Harry, Laurens, and Jemmy to Europe for their education, Jemmy seems to have caught small pox. After recovering he reportedly gained some noticable weight reported in a letter from Henry Laurens to Peter Nephew, [December 20, 1771];

My Sons, thank God, are very well. I wish this may find you and your family as well, and that you may long continue so. Your Acquaintance Jemmy is now scribbling by me. He has pass'd safely through the Small Pox and is now as fat as a little Pig. He desires me to give his best Compliments to Mr. & Mrs. Nephew, and thank them for their kindness to him when he was in Distress.

Laurens, Henry. The papers of Henry Laurens. United States, University of South Carolina Press, 1968.

(Italics are mine)

[my-deer-history]

I gently conveyed your chiding message to Sister patsy, She Smiled & received it as a mark of your Love for her_ Your Sister will forward this to you & when you meet will further answer for herSelf_ You will be highly pleased with your little Sister Polly, She reads to a degree of perfection which will Surprize you, but poor little thing She has to pass under the Surgeon's hands for the Small Pox immediately upon her arrival.

Henry Laurens to Jemmy Laurens, 24 May 1775

Henry's daughters, Martha and Mary Eleanor, were preparing to depart for England with their uncle and aunt.

Jemmy himself had been innoculated shortly after his arrival in England in October 1771 and suffered through a few uncomfortable days as the symptoms took hold.

[publius-library]

Researching the laukids for an ask, but just out of genuine curiosity - did James actually have the nickname Jemmy? I keep seeing him refered to by Jamie more than not

Yes, they did use the name Jemmy for him, but they did seem to use Jamie more often. From what I remember, it seemed like John and Uncle James used Jemmy the most, but I do remember Henry using it a few times.

Also, from what it seems like based off the different nicknames for names like James, they might have pronounced the “a” sound like in Jamie as more like an “e”. I’m not great at linguistics, but that’s just a pattern I’ve noticed.

Jemmy was also a very common nickname for James, and honestly I’ve seen it used more often than Jamie, so I wouldn’t be surprised if people outside the family also used that for him as a more natural nickname for James. Thanks for the ask bestie

[john-laurens]

In my original post, I cannot believe that I neglected to include the fact that both John and Francis had a younger brother named James that died in childhood. John wrote to Francis when his brother Jemmy Laurens died - Francis responded, "Cast a strict eye upon Your past conduct with regard to Your late Brother & Your conscience will wisper consolation." (Massey dates this letter as November 1776, but I question that - Jemmy died in September 1775, so a date of November 1775 would make more sense.) I wonder if this conjured up any painful memories for Francis?

Additionally, I've since learned that the term "infant/infancy" had a slightly broader definition in the 18th century. While today we would use that term to refer to a baby, the term was historically used to generally refer to a child. According to Johnson's Dictionary, "infant" could refer to a child up to 7 years of age. We still do not know exactly how old James Kinloch was when he died, but it's possible he could have been a toddler or older child.

Something about Laurens and Kinloch being so similar yet so different, both being part of the southern elite, neither being the firstborn but both being the oldest son, both experiencing the death of a parent in their adolescence, but while Laurens lost his mother, Kinloch lost his father and was then placed under the guardianship of a man who was a staunch loyalist living away in England, both Kinloch and Laurens traveling to Europe for their education and being so close and so like-minded in many ways and both feeling conflict between their own wants in life and the will of their father/guardian, Laurens wanting to return to America to fight in the war but his father wanting him to pursue law, Kinloch at first taking strong loyalist stances in the same vein as his guardian and holding so fast to these beliefs that it severely harmed his relationship with Laurens, but then Kinloch later returned to the colonies and fought on the American side, meeting up with Laurens again in the process, and then victory came but Laurens was not ready to leave the war behind, but Kinloch (and Hamilton) had already gotten married and had a child and determined that he truly enjoyed a domestic life away from war and politics, meanwhile Laurens's wife had died and Laurens soon followed, leaving behind a child that never knew him, and an obituary was written for Laurens by some anonymous man living in Virginia with an intimate knowledge of his life story (*cough* Kinloch) and concludes "I am happy thus to perform my last duties to the memory of a friend"

[misfitmiska]

Sorry for the inactivity but Merited Partiality by @clear-as-starlight has me on a CHOKEHOLD yet again. I’ve known for a while that I wanted to draw something based on the mesmerising battle scenes but I don’t have much experience drawing comics OR action scenes OR horses OR 18th century weapons so getting this done was a JOURNEY lkjhghhgfgh— but that is how you learn, by being overly ambitious and starting out mediocre! ^^

This one is loosely based on chapter 5 but I reworked some stuff so it was feasible with my current skill level. :p

[thathamiltonadict]

quotes from my friends as hamiltion charaters

Hamilton: sometimes i just wanna go feral and run around your house

Jefferson: i couldnt watch ratatouille i was too scared

Burr: I feel like im the punching bag of this group

Hamilton: Yes, you are fuckface

Eliza: You look nice in that photo

Hamilton: thank you, its facetune

Madison: I lowkey hate people and the freak me out

Laurens (ten duel commandments): AM I GONNA GO TO JAIL IM SCARED, actually i dont care i'll be fine

Burr (killing hamilton): yk what i might do it actually, im going to hell anyway

[my-deer-friend]

Oh, I'm after reading some letters you recommended me to read from Henry Laurens Papers! Thanks to this reading his bio is much better because I actually know how MUCH pressure Henry Laurens put on his oldest son. 

John was constantly reminded about Virtue and poor boy was so scared of losing his father acceptance, he letters to him are so heartbreaking and you can feel how unhappy he was with some choices to make his father HAPPY.

I'd be very interested in what specifically you found heartbreaking, and which choices you're referring to, if you'd like to share!

In either case, I want to encourage you to resist a one-sided interpretation of letters like that and keep the broader context in mind.

Yes, Henry was a strict father – but he was not vastly more strict than others at the time. As a single parent, he had the duty of ensuring his children would be set up for success in the world that they lived in. The things that he encouraged John to do – live frugally, choose a financially viable career, build a positive public reputation, practice the virtues and behaviours of a gentleman, prioritise his family – were very much in John's interest, and importantly, John aspired to many of those things too.

Henry's advice and directions lined up with societal expectations for young men at their time. You can certainly make the case that he held John to a higher standard than other sons in their orbit, but he also gave John a lot of freedom to make his own choices – such as in his education and his career – and trusted him to make those decisions for Harry and Jemmy too. Again, whether it was entirely fair to give him that degree of responsibility is something we can discuss, but we also shouldn't ignore that John was largely equal to the challenges, and he had support as well (financially from his father, and more generally from his uncle and aunt, the Mannings, and other friends of the Laurens family).

The other thing to remember is that, from 1776 onwards, Henry believed there was a very real chance that he would be killed for taking part in the American rebellion, and his entire fortune lost – so it would be up to John to play a pivotal role in supporting his family financially and societally. Was it unfair? Probably yes. Was it their reality at the time, despite whatever Henry or John may have wanted? Also yes. In either case, John made his own decision and returned to America against Henry's wishes, and Henry supported his choice, even though he disagreed with it.

I'm not trying to say that Henry was a perfect father; like any parent, he had his own biases, ideas about proper conduct, "old-fashioned" notions, and – because he was a product of his society's norms – expected his children to obey his instructions (at least before they came of age). At the same time, he encouraged John to make the most consequential decisions for himself. I don't think Henry would have been "happy" if John had made himself entirely miserable for the sake of gratifying him; equally, Henry would not have been a good father for his time if he'd just let John do whatever he wanted, and neglected to give him a framework of virtues and morals to live by. We need to keep in mind which standards we are judging a set of actions by.

[ixis-stuff]

"And then I get sick and throw up and there's another memory that gets stuck

Inside the walls of my skull waiting for its turn to talk

And it may be a few years, but you can bet it's there, waiting still

For me to be left alone in a room with the things that l've done"

[yr-obedt-cicero]

“Letters from Walsall from Mr Stone and our dear little Jemmy, are inclosed—will you indulge him in his Plan for spending Whitsuntide Holidays? I promise to take great care of him, and shall be glad of an oportunity of having him under my eye for a week or two—Harry is become as great a favorite among your Town Friends as Jemmy used to be, he spends this day with me, and if he does not come too late will write you a Letter.”

John Laurens to Henry Laurens, [November 15, 1774].

[snacho-to-ur-nacho]

FUCK EVERUTHING EDEN WING IS JEMMY (JOHN LAURENS' brother) IF AMREV WAS IN ANOTHER UNIVERSE 22ND CENTURY I MEAN LOOK AT THEIR AGES AND IT LINES UP AND OMG

NO ONE WILL UNDERSTAND BOTH FANDOMS AND GET THIS POST BUT ME

WHY

[flowersarefreetherapy]

Who is John Laurens?

Oh my dear, dear Raccoon, you have just opened a can of worms that I am so excited to share with you!!! Um . . . this is my special interest, have fun its an essay!!

(content warning for discussions of race-based slavery in the Americas, childhood death, self-harm/suicidal ideations)

So John Laurens was born in South Carolina as the second oldest son of Congressman Henry Laurens, and was referred to as the oldest child after his three oldest siblings all died before he was six (only five of the Laurens children would survive into young adulthood). Henry Laurens was a co-founder of the South Carolina company that imported the most amount of enslaved people near the middle of the 18th century and his wife Eleanor was the daughter of another rich plantation owner, so John grew up in a life of luxury that was built off the sweat and blood of people who were denied rights. 

(quick little note in here, when John was 12, Henry wrote to a friend saying how proud he was of John for focusing only on his studies and not being distracted by the local girls, like all the other boys were. It’s a beyond hilarious letter, given what happened in John’s later years)

When John was about 13-14, Henry took him and his two brothers to London so they could receive the best education possible, as education in the American colonies was not as good as what European education systems provided (if you were a white man only). After two years there, Henry returned to South Carolina to look after his daughters, as his wife passed and they were staying with relatives. This meant that John, at barely 16 years old, was taking care of his two younger brothers–Harry, who was about 14, and James (Jemmy) who was 10. John handled his responsibilities well, even if he did struggle a bit with managing money, but tragedy hit when his youngest brother Jemmy fell one winter, hit his head, and died in his sleep. It was one of the pivotal moments in John’s life that shaped how he treated younger men he met and pushed him to want to be the perfect son for his father. 

John went into legal study instead of becoming a doctor out of that desire to be the perfect son. He studied for several years in Geneva and formed many close relationships with a few of his peers. We don’t have information on how far those relationships went, but we know he was involved in at least two during his years studying there. When he moved back to London, he ended up meeting a woman named Martha and getting her pregnant. Though they would get married, John would leave for the American colonies months later, would never respond to the dozens of letters she sent him, and never met his daughter, Francis. So. There’s a lot of speculation about why he had a relationship with her when she was the only close relationship he had with a woman outside of family and he never wrote her back or seemed to highly value their legal status as husband and wife. The emotions and reasons of everyone involved there is a historical mystery.

But anyway! John is in the colonies! There’s a war! There’s no time to think about silly things like women and college! There’s killing to be done! John Laurens was signed on as one of George Washington’s aides-de-camp, which is where he met a young, driven, determined young man from the Caribbean named Alexander Hamilton. The two of them hit it off right away. They were both smart, desperate for glory in battle, and connected through their shared belief in abolition. An unusual stance for someone of John’s background to take, but he was determined to bring abolition to the colonies, specifically his home state of South Carolina, and he would spend the next 7 so years trying to turn that dream into a reality. He went as far as to ask for his inheritance in the form of Henry freeing the enslaved people who would have been given to him (Henry said no and it sparked a lot of debate between the two of them). So the war is happening. John spends a lot of time between fighting in the north and leading skirmishes in the south. It's from his campaigns in the south that we have the famed Hamilton-Laurens letters that everyone loves so much (I am everyone. That includes me, I will admit it)

John tended to forget people existed if they were not right next to him (which would explain the situation with Martha) and so his letters to Alexander are very sparse, whereas Alexander would write him a letter every week, sometimes even three times in one week. Alexander’s letters are dramatic, full of hope for the future and lots of admiration for John that is very flowery even for the standards of the time. Unfortunately for us, there are portions of these letters that have been burned or torn out, so there is speculation that the contents explicitly stating love that moved beyond friendship and prose, and into revealing an actual relationship. However, it is sadly a very recent trend to focus on queer history, so a lot of their letters have been watered down or outright ignored. There is also a struggle between wanting to use terms that we are familiar with and knowing that, to quote my history professor, that the past is a foreign country and we are just visiting. So to apply modern labels to something such as sexuality when there is no concrete evidence is a heavily debatable stance, especially with the importance of someone choosing how they want to be identified and not having those labels forced on them.

(that being said, I do think the evidence points us to Alexander Hamilton being at least bisexual. He had serious romantic feelings towards both men and women throughout his life, including John Laurens–regardless of whether or not those feelings were returned in that case. John remains an enigma there, though most scholars place him somewhere in the gay category)

Anyway, returning to John from my little tangent. He kept fighting and getting hurt and going out and fighting and getting hurt. The Marquis de Lafayette, who was the youngest member of their trio, wrote in a letter that there was only one battle in which John did not get wounded, though not for the lack of trying (funnily enough, it was the only battle in which Lafayette did get wounded). This leads to the same discussion as sexuality being applied with looking at the mental health of historical figures. At this point in the historical conversations, many historians are in agreement that John was at the least clinically depressed, possibly suicidal. The proof for these claims are evidenced in the way he did not take care of himself at all. He did do exactly as Lafayette wrote; there is not a battle he was in where he was not stabbed or shot. This coupled with a few things he wrote in letters to his uncle when he was younger reveal a young man who struggled with serious depression and a lack of regard towards his own life and safety. It would be this disregard that would ultimately get him killed on August 27, 1782, when the idiot man decided against General Greene’s orders to attack a nearby British foraging group. Did I also mention he was suffering from a severe fever at the time? The American soldiers would be horribly outnumbered and John was killed. He had made serious progress towards integrating the Continental Army in the south and was in conversation with the government of South Carolina to create a battalion of formerly enslaved people. However, after his death, those strides towards abolition in South Carolina were swiftly buried. 

John Laurens’ death greatly impacted those closest to him. Henry Laurens was devastated by the loss of another child and would remove himself fully from politics a few years later. The Marquis de Lafayette would write that John was one of the best and bravest men he knew. George Washington would echo the same sentiments, saying John’s only flaw was his recklessness. And his death emotionally broke some part of Alexander. From the moment John died, Alexander would never form a close relationship with another man. He would have casual friendships, but never again did he have another relationship like he did with John (and if you want to cry, I suggest reading the last letter Alexander sent to John—which he never received because John was dead before the letter got to South Carolina. In it Alexander is all happy about the new country that’s being started and asking John to join him in making the new nation, saying “It requires all the virtue and all the abilities of the country. Quit your sword my friend, put on the toga, come to Congress. We know each others sentiments, our views are the same: we have fought side by side to make America free, let us hand in hand struggle to make her happy ....Yrs for ever, A Hamilton”)

(if that doesn’t make you cry, I don’t know what will)

Anyway, if anyone has read this far, thank you for reading my impromptu essay. Thank you for the question, Raccoon, and I hope this answers it!

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Maniac Cop is a 1988 American action slasher film directed by William Lustig, written by Larry Cohen, and starring Tom Atkins, Bruce Campbell, Laurene Landon, Richard Roundtree, William Smith, Robert Z'Dar, and Sheree North. Z'Dar plays the title character, a murderous ex-police officer returned from the dead, and seeks revenge on the people who wronged him.

Plot:

In New York City, a waitress on her way home is assaulted by two muggers and seeks aid from a police officer, who breaks her neck. Over the next two nights, this "Maniac Cop" commits more murders, prompting Lieutenant McCrae, who was told by his superiors to suppress eyewitness accounts that the killer was wearing a police uniform, to pass on information to a journalist, in an attempt to protect civilians. This causes panic and dissent among the city, and results in innocent patrolmen either being shot to death or avoided on the streets by people afraid of them being the Maniac Cop.

Ellen Forrest, suspecting that her husband Jack may be the Maniac Cop, follows him to a motel and catches him in bed with fellow officer Theresa Mallory. Distraught, Ellen runs out of the room, and is slain by the killer.

In the meantime, Master Hanuš looks for sculptors and carvers for the Astronomical Clock statues. He catches a glimpse of Ellen, and is interested with her natural woodcarving talent. Matthew, being the target of ridicule by other students because of his poverty, studies with Master Hanuš, too. He has gained his teacher's trust, and oversees the plans of the Astronomical Clock. Since Matthew has nowhere to sleep, he finds the Faust House in Prague, already abandoned at the time.

Thanks to his classmates' frequent ridicule, he succumbs to the lure and then picks up a grey tolar in Faust's house to pay for his classmates' drinks and fit in with his peers. However, they deceive him and destroy the plans to the Astronomical Clock while they are unguarded. The unsuspecting Matthew gives the ruined plans back to Master Hanuš. The Prague councilors discover the damaged plans, and demand punishment of the problem. Matthew is placed in a pillory for one day. Because he never knows what he did wrong, he plans to take revenge on Master Hanuš. When Master Hanuš and Jemmy complete the Astronomical Clock, they get no respect or recognition.

Mallory hides out in McCrae's apartment while he investigates Sally Noland, the only person Mallory told about her affair. McCrae follows Noland to a warehouse, where she meets with the Maniac Cop and refers to him as "Matt". Returning to police headquarters, McCrae discovers files on Matthew Cordell, an officer who was unjustly imprisoned in Sing Sing for police brutality and closing in on corruption in city hall. He was mutilated and killed in a shower room in Sing Sing by other inmates, whom he helped incarcerate.

When McCrae and Mallory visit Jack, they tell him they think Cordell is the real killer and plan to visit the chief medical examiner at Sing Sing. McCrae leaves to go to the clerical room, and he is attacked by Sally, who is convinced that Cordell is going to turn on her. After finding an officer hanging from the ceiling, Sally is beaten to death by Cordell. Hearing the commotion, Jack and Mallory leave the interrogation room and find the corpses of numerous officers strewn about the halls of the building. Mallory goes to McCrae's car while Jack searches for Cordell, who disappears after throwing McCrae out a window, killing him. Jack, who looks like the one responsible for the carnage to responding officers, flees with Mallory.

The two go to see Sing Sing's medical examiner, who admits that while he was preparing to autopsy Cordell, the officer showed faint signs of life. The examiner secretly released Cordell into Sally's care, convinced he was completely brain dead. During the 50th annual Saint Patrick's Day parade, Jack waits outside as Mallory warns Commissioner Pike and Captain Ripley about Cordell, but the two refuse to believe her and have her arrested. Cordell appears and fatally stabs Pike and Ripley, then targets Mallory, knifing the policeman left to guard her. Mallory escapes through a window, while Jack is arrested and placed in a van, which Cordell hijacks.

Mallory and another officer chase the van, which Cordell takes to his warehouse hideout. Cordell attacks Mallory and Jack, kills the other officer, and tries to escape in the van when backup arrives. Jack clings to the side of the van and fights for control of it, causing Cordell to drive into a suspended pipe, which impales him. Cordell loses control of the vehicle, which crashes into the river, and sinks. Afterwards, the van is fished out; as it is searched, Cordell's hand emerges from the water.

Cordell writes a letter to Prague councilors explaining to them that Hanuš is a traitor. The mayor entrusts the executioner of Mydlář to cut out Hanuš's eyes. Hanuš wants to take revenge for this violence, and ruins his own astronomical clock by sabotaging the gears. Jemmy, as his assistant, is commissioned to fix the astronomical clock under Katie's threat being executed if he fails to do so in time. Jemmy fixes the astronomical clock at the last minute but arrives at the gallows too late, and Katie has been hanged already.

Later in the extended version, the mayor, confident that Katie is dead, relaxes in his office. After the mayor's assistant leaves the office, Katie silently appears from behind the curtain and kills the mayor as revenge for framing her.

[john-church-hamilton-official]

You should also interview the other Laurens'! Like Eleanor, Patsy, Harry, and Jemmy

They are... all here?

[lil-gae-disaster]

you talk about John Laurens but WHAT ABOUT HIS WHOLE FAMILY GENERATION?? HIS MOM?? JEMMY?? MARY ELEANOR LOOSING HER BIGGEST BROTHER AT JUST 12 YEARS OLD??

HIM BASICALLY ABANDONING HIS DAUGHTER AND WIFE??

People talk about Hamilton's life being a tragedy but JOHN LAURENS?