#jedi are dumb

[rosstmcd]

So, the Jedi.

I first saw Episode IV back when it was just Star Wars, in the theaters, in 1977. I was eight, and it was the most awesome thing I had ever seen. Especially the Jedi (although for a long time I thought they were "Jet-Eye" knights) -- Obi-Wan Kenobi and Luke Skywalker, and lightsabers! And the Force! I wanted to be a Jedi so bad.

With that movie, George Lucas instilled in me a love of that universe so strong that not even George Lucas could destroy it.

So I love the idea of the Jedi. When I'm creating a character in a video game, I usually pick whatever option is closest to being a Jedi (e.g. Vanguard in Mass Effect.) TTRPGs often the same.

But at the same time I am aware that, holy cow, the Jedi collectively are as dumb as a bag of hammers.

(In their defense, they spent a lot of centuries being the undisputed baddest mofos in the galaxy; they didn't need to be smart. But as soon as they got some actual opposition, yikes.)

Like, consider Anakin. Here's this kid, he's six, which is older than we usually take kids in, think the Jedi. He's got this hard knot of anger and fear, because, duh, he's been enslaved his whole life and also because we just took him away from his mom and told him he can never see her again. What should we do with him?

I know, the Jedi say to themselves, we'll train him, but we'll be sure to remind him constantly that we're always watching him because we don't trust him, and we're suspicious that he might fall to the Dark Side at any moment. That's sure to solve those negative feelings! Nothing bad can come from this plan!

Or take Geonosis in Episode II. Oh no, some of our people are in trouble! Let's swoop in with a couple dozen Jedi, each of whom is a veritable typhoon of destructive potential, and then we will... stand in a circle in a literal killing field, where every single one of our hundred of enemies has a clear line of fire at us, and just bounce blaster bolts off our lightsabers. This is an excellent strategy and cannot possibly lose.

Or towards the end of Episode III, where Obi-Wan and Yoda have finally figured out that their primary enemies are Palpatine and Anakin -- who have, conveniently, separated themselves so that the two remaining Jedi masters can concentrate their force (and their Force, for that matter) and attack each of them two-on-one in succession. Oooooor they could split up and go one-on-one against each of them. Hmm. Which plan will the Jedi go with?

Or when that goes to shit, and they're like, "Well, I guess we're fucked now, we have literally no other option but to go hide out for the next sixteen years or so and do basically nothing. Hypothetically some kind of resistance movement might form against this new Empire that could benefit from the presence of two Jedi masters, but meh. Our best bet is to wait for a couple of babies to become teenagers and dump the whole thing on them."

(People gave Luke a lot of shit in the sequel trilogy for fucking off to the ass end of nowhere and hiding out from the results of his mistakes, but I don't know why anyone would be surprised. It's exactly what both of his Jedi mentors did.)

Anyway, my point: I love the Jedi and think they're all idiots. Force bless those empty-headed space wizards.

[jedi-starbird]

My Feemor proposal

A popular headcanon for Feemor is that he's a Jedi Shadow. Shadows are spies and basically detectives. Feemor's lineage has a reputation for being eccentric, infamous, and finding trouble everywhere they go. So, walk with me here, Feemor's an eccentric, famous, blonde detective.

This is Feemor.

[ziggyyyystardust]

It’s been said before but the way people treat Luke has got to be one of the worst cases of infantilisation in media ever,, sometimes it feels like people aren’t even watching the same movies because how do you watch return of the Jedi and think “yeah what a stupid twink” bro straight up chopped off DARTH VADERS hand despite having crash course training in something Vaders been doing for the past like 30yrs.. if I were Vader I’d be so embarrassed. ALSO I’m so sick of people being like “Leia is so much smarter than him she was a senator and he was playing with toy ships” buddy idk how to say this but they had VASTLY different education levels, Leias’ parents were part of the rebellion and worked in politics where she was actively encouraged. Luke grew up in hutt space where his aunt and uncle were focused on making sure he didn’t turn out like his father or get himself killed. He’s also extremely skilled and crafty?? It’s always given me a weird feeling that people think that just because he doesn’t have a formal education that he’s dumb or something.

Anyways I <3 Luke, I think he’s one of the best Jedi characters ever

[sketchupnfries]

A bunch of dumb Jedi: Survivor sketches since I had to get them out of my system

[gallapiech]

im sad so here’s some sketches I never posted

[charmwasjess]

Whatever you do, don’t think about how happy Sifo-Dyas must have been that last time with Dooku on Serenno. He’d been fired as a Seeker, lost his seat on the Jedi Council, had the worst rounds of visions of his life, and finally, finally, someone is listening to him, someone believes him, someone gets it.

He’s back with his best friend who promised to help him save the galaxy, like the two of them were made to do together. Like they always knew they were going to do.

[galactic-rhea]

It's ranting hours sunday for me: Y' know, I think when people complain soooo much about Padmé getting with Anakin, they're failing to see a lot of things. BUT ESPECIALLY...That it was her choice, and if speaks a lot of her character and personality.

She was already done dirty by the movies by getting so many deleted scenes, but then if you try to take away the agency she had on marrying a human disaster or her choices, like her forgiveness/understanding, it's actually undermining and flattening her character.

The fact is that she's actually very similar to Anakin, she's stubborn, deeply traumatized, compromises a lot for the sake of others and loves beyond reasoning. We, the audience, know that Anakin will become Darth Vader and one of the most iconic villains of history; so everything he does can be seem as a red flag that really isn't there.

From Padmé's POV, Anakin has done terrible things, but it's capable of incredible acts of love and compassion. They're in circumstances that aren't normal at all, she was queen at 14, and he was born a slave and joined the space wizard monks and his normal is kill or be killed. Our modern and omniscient POV can't be applied onto them because there's no point of comparison in this sci-fi-shakespearen tragedy-soap-opera-fantasy.

Besides...she was actually right in the end, and I don't believe is "feminist" or progressive to take away a big part of her core personality, that actually had repercussions in the whole story, and make her out to be either unaware and naive of marrying a monster, or (the worst one, imo) being jedi-mind-tricked-brainwashed-abused by her husband.

The "right, correct, girlboss and queen" actitude does more damage than help, leave Padmé to be a person. A person who wanted to have a fairytale romance with some guy who would fight for her and makes her laugh.

Also, the hell why you wanna blame her for something Anakin does, come on. That's a whole other can of worms, though. My point is, that trying to avoid or re-work-or re-contextualize the fact that she chose Anakin despite him literally telling her about murdering a whole village, is actually changing a big chunk of her personality traits.

She was a child queen, then a politician at the edge of an inminent war, manipulated by the same guy that groomed Anakin into a massive murderer, saw her people being taken into camps, had assasination attempts weekly and had to rip off of her individualism by becoming a public figure, giving up her sense of being a person by having several almost identical decoys, she had to stop being just Padmé to be Queen and then Senator Amidala and she did all of that showing little to no emotion.

Then Anakin does all what she herself had to rip off of her in order to be a politician: Honest, passionate, and able to show emotions; like love or anger.

She has morals and she represents democracy and justice, in a way. But I fully believe that inside her she had the same passionate anger and love capable of burning the galaxy that we know Anakin had, which makes them different sides of the same coin, and I think she realized that. Anakin perhaps didn't , as he never stopped of seeing himself as a slave and therefore inferior, whereas he held Padmé very highly, but I think Padmé saw them both as equals. She didn't have a "I can fix him" mentality, she had a "We're the same, we're both lonely, confused, hurting and scared of losing everything. And if he's like me, then I know he can do the right thing for love."

In other words: She was as insane as her husband, she only seems normal because she wasn't put into the monk warrior order and groomed by the devil for over a decade. (And I don't mean insane as, 'she's crazy for loving a murderer' harley quinn style, I just meant it on a daring, hopeless romantic and tenacious way)

[inquisitor-apologist]

I love the Star Wars fandom. People will say objectively insane things like “the baby murderer did nothing wrong! It was actually the babies’ fault (and also the one black man in a position of power) that they were murdered!” and “the real bad guys are the religious minority that the evil space fascist empire (which is clearly styled after Nazi Germany) murders and hunts!” and you’re just supposed to act like those are normal and reasonable opinions to have.

[lastminutestarwarsfan]

Can someone please explain to me how in the name of God Palpatine was even able to gain so much access to Anakin? It's implied he's been keeping him close since Phantom Menace. Like I can understand after he's been knighted but as a padawan???? And not just ANY padawan but the notoriously unstable, taken-in-far-too-late-trained-by-a-barely-qualified-freshly-knighted-king-of-sass-and-oh-btw-we-think-he's-the-chosen-one padawan?? That one??? Surely there must have been parameters in place to protect Jedi children from just this sort of manipulation???? Not to mention keeping a close eye on this one in particular???

Like if it weren't so sad it would be (and admittedly is) hilarious how oblivious everyone is.

Like just imagine fucking Yoda and Mace chilling and thinking to themselves "Hmm where's that boy Anakin, you know the one we really did not think it would be a good idea to train lmao" and someone just cheerfully reasssures them "Oh don't worry his kindly pseudograndpa who is definitely not grooming him has taken him to the Opera! For cultural enrichment" Like??? Honestly I know no one suspects Palpatine is a Sith, but he's sure as hell a creepy old politician with a propensity for hanging around little boys. How is no one's alarm bells ringing?? How are the pedophilia accusations not pouring in??

[animatedjen]

"I think it's a pretty good flamingo impression." "You are very strange, Cal Kestis."

[adh-d2]

I cannot get over the hilarity that is Ki Adi Mundi.

He's 300 years old. He's 45. He hasn't had a correct opinion in his life. He's a high council member who canonically fucks. He's just some guy.

Dude openly has a harem of wives in an order that forbids marriage and somehow still manages to be the most boring jedi who ever lived.

He's appeared in 3 of the movies, dozens of TV episodes, and more legends content than I care to count. He's still nobody's favourite jedi.

He's terrible. I'm obsessed with him.

[oftenlyshitposting]

sabine: i've been told that i have a really unique way of lighting up the rooms i enter

shin: .... and that is a really unique way of telling us you are a pyromaniac arsonist

ezra: you literally have ten arson charges, sabine

[r-2-peepoo]

This is your daily reminder that Cody is a grown man. All of the clones are, obviously with the exception of Omega and Boba.

You are free to dislike Codywan or any other clone/jedi ships, but let’s drop the narrative that the clones are children because they just aren’t.

Yes, in terms of the passing of time, all of the clones are 13 or under at the time of Order 66 however it has been well established that they age and mature differently to regular people. They age roughly twice as fast. This isn’t a debate, it is objectively the truth. It’s canon. They are not children.

You don’t have to like everything. You don’t even need a reason to dislike something. You’re allowed to not like it. You don’t need to frame it as being problematic to stop other people from liking it, especially since in this case it just isn’t.

The power dynamic between a general and his commander is another conversation entirely, and it’s one that is woven into Codywan discourse and something we do take seriously, since it would be out of character for both Cody and Obi Wan to not do that, but when it comes to age, it just isn’t an issue like other SW ships. This is arguably the least toxic ship Obi Wan is actually involved in since neither of them willingly would ever want to hurt each other and because they’re both such good communicators.

Just ignore ships you don’t like, especially when they’re unproblematic. It’s really not hard.

[antianakin]

If anyone is interested in an animated Star Wars show that knows who the bad guys are and WON'T sit there berating the Jedi and blaming them for their own genocide, PLEASE go watch Visions!

I just finished rewatching season one and literally every episode has something so wonderful about it! They ALL really love the Jedi and emphasize how kind and selfless and compassionate and brave the Jedi are, how heroic the Jedi are, how those who choose to become Jedi are called to it by a desire to HELP people even in the face of terrible odds. There is probably no show as pro Jedi as Visions is, the commitment is incredibly minimal since every episode is a new short story that's less than 20 minutes long and none of them are required to be within the greater continuity of Star Wars.

If you have an appreciation for short films, for animation, for good writing, and for the Jedi, I cannot recommend Visions enough!

[lesbinewren]

feels like i’m taking crazy pills with how easily people are jumping into the “the jedi decided to just slaughter the witch coven out of nowhere” like. the jedi definitely fucked up somewhere and that’s why they’re all so broken up about it, but a) i have a really hard time believing that the jedi would just do something like that when they showed no indication of wanting to hurt any of them before and b) those witches are so shady????? remember what aniseya did to torbin what was that about??? there’s definitely more to the story here but i don’t think the answer is a jedi murder spree of innocent people who did nothing wrong

[jaguarys]

I unironically think Dagan Gera is such a good fucking representation of the pitfalls of Sithdom and what leads to it. Like yeah he's weird and obsessive and doesn't see the bigger picture. Yeah he's bitter and annoying and needs to fucking chill. We've had too many SW projects trying to convince us Sith are cool. No more cool Sith. Only cringefail loser Sith