#j2 speculation

[hologramcowboy]

Both J2 had problem with addiction, especially when they were younger, with cocaine and alcohol. I don't know if they still do cocaine but 15 years, they did. Some people also have some photos of them. But alcohol is hard for both, especially for Jensen in this past years.

They are normal celebrities, they did what every celebrity did.

I can attest that most of the industry runs on drugs. Especially when people have to stay awake for days on end to finish projects or promote them so it truly wouldn’t shock me if this rumor were 100% true. I’ve been to industry events, I know what happens in the bathrooms and not only.

[laf-outloud]

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I’m confused by people being shocked that J2 might work together again.

I sort of get it if people don’t want to see Jared work with Jensen again (prequelgate and so on), or just specifically don’t want Jensen on Walker (AAs are a nightmare and no one wants them near any show), but I’m pretty surprised that people actually don't expect them to get back on screen together at some point. Or see it as some "that ship has long sailed" situation.

Both Jared and Jensen bring up doing an SPN revival on their own. They don’t just say, "sure" when people ask them about it. I get people thinking this is just fan service, but if a fan doesn’t bring it up first, they certainly don’t have to say something at just about every con. I think they truly do want to do at least a mini series or something. Whether they’ll get the go ahead for it is another story. Also, they've been getting more and move nostalgic lately at cons, and more and more like old-school J2 on stage. I know, cons are for show, but the quality of their interactions over the last few cons just feel more fond than they did (for the most part) last year, for example. They always have good chemistry, but it’s been especially good lately. Yes, they do lots of stuff that is "for show" but there is just a different feel when they seem like they are truly vibing.

As for Jensen on Walker. I’m 50/50 on whether it will happen. But, I certainly won’t be surprised if it does.

Still, Keegan’s photo (which is what has people worried, I guess) was taken during the Nov 5th weekend when hellers were celebrating their embarrassing meme scene and waiting for Jensen to maybe make a mention of it, so the pic of J2 could have been in response to that, just in a delayed post. A little reminder that Supernatural was about the brother (not Destiel). Or, maybe J2 are actually still good friends behind the scenes and Keegan just wanted a pic of them and their long hair. 🤷‍♀️

I just think the fandom in general does a lot of projecting, and I’m certain,y not immune to it either. Jared doesn’t ever want to work with Jensen again, and him saying he does is just fan service, but it’s never going to happen (projection). J2 are vibing exactly like old times and are clearly still besties who already have a whole Season 16 of SPN planned out (projection). Jared has moved on and never plans to look back at supernatural (projection). Jared and Jensen are happiest when working together and they’ll make it happen no matter what (projection). Anyway, my point with these examples is we don’t actually know how Jared (or Jensen) feels about doing an SPN revival or having Jensen on Walker besides them saying they are interested publicly at one point or another, but assuming they don’t/do want these things because we don’t /do want these things, could lead to some unpleasant realities down the line.

Just out of curiosity: Will you still tune in to Walker if Jensen does get a recurring role on it? And would you watch SPN reboot/revival if it happened?

You make a lot of good points! The photo could have been counteracting the Destiel thing... but I also think Keegan being a Sunday con attendee, and having worked with Jensen and Jared together, has only every really seen SPN as the show about brothers, so his caption doesn't surprise me.

And you're right, none of us know what J2's relationship is really like right now... and fans (myself included) certainly throw our preferences around, lol! Personally, I don't think their con behavior is back to what it was post-prequelgate/end of SPN, but we all see things differently.

As for your questions... I would probably still watch Walker if Jensen had a recurring role... but I wouldn't be as excited to live-tweet or reblog gifs/screengrabs from those episodes. In fact, I'd probably avoid social media altogether simply so I wouldn't have to see AAs (and frankly, Jensen) try to make the show all about him, while completely dismissing Jared (and the other cast member's) contributions. They may be delusional, but they have the power to ruin every fandom they enter.

An SPN reboot is a harder question, mostly because it would have to be the exact right set of circumstances (right producers, writers, time-frame, lack of extras, etc.) for me to even consider watching.

I think the only reboot that I'd be glad to watch with both Jensen and Jared would be the one they talked about a while ago... Lonesome Dove. It would be about 10 years down the road... certainly enough time (I would hope) for the SPN fandom to settle down, and would be a chance for J2 to work together again without all of SPN's baggage.

[dimplecki]

Are J2 still friends? I never caught up what to what happened after their Twitter beef a couple years ago but was randomly just thinking about it lol

My guess is as good as anybody's really anon,

I think their friendship has ups and down and with spn ending(it was my understanding jared wanted to leave but jensen didnt)) and the whole prequel thing their friendship took a serious hit. I noticed they arent as comfortable around eachother as they used to be but it too shall pass i guess. Theyve been as close as two people could be for many years i dont think they would ever hate eachother, but friends grow apart and its OK. I love them both and support them each in their individual path ❤️ hoping they will find a way to eachothers hearts(and to our screen) again.

[supernaturalkickparty]

//Since Jared Padalecki and Jensen Ackles are most likely not going to be playing brothers in The Boys Eric Kripke has the opportunity to do the funniest thing//

If J2 are willing, I hope Kripke has their chracters bang if for no other reason than to watch hellers' and AA's heads explode. That might be implausible for Soldier Boy, but Kripke already loves homoerotic subtext and wincest. He’ll find a way if he really wants to. Lol

In seriousness, I dint think it will happen. But it’s not impossible.

A girl can dream lol while I know it's a very low possibility, the chances are never zero 😂

I know it will be chaotic with the two of them together on screen again because they are just chaos in general.

While we don't know anything for sure on Jared's character I would like to see him as a Supe, a villain of some sort, a suit who works for Vought, or someone who works with JDM's character.(didn't see last season so idk who he is or who he works for)

We all know that Soldier Boy(Ben) is straight, he has a preference, but who knows, stranger things have happened on the show.

[fandom-hoarder]

Is there a reason why Jared doesn't do cons with JDM? I see much more with Jensen and JDM than Jared with JDM

There are quite a few past conventions where the 3 Js were all there together, but those seem like special occasions. I'm not a convention expert or anything, but it doesn't seem like JDM does many conventions in general. According to what I could find online, he only did a handful the last couple years. He's signed up for more Creation Cons this year than we've seen recently-- maybe because of his upcoming debut on The Boys? Idk.

But as far as I know, there's no reason Jared and JDM don't do conventions together, other than that JDM is sometimes brought on when Jared can't be there. The Js are all friends, afaik, so it's not like they're purposely avoiding each other. They have matching tattoos ffs.

I'd imagine a lot of it has to do more with appearance fees vs ticket and venue pricing + time allotted.

[kerryweaverlesbian]

as someone new to fandom, what happened during j2 divorce??

Hehehehe okay so, it's a few months post-Supernatural finale. Jensen has been noticeably quiet about the ending online, referred to as his #sexysilence, not even appearing in the final goodbye thank you video from the cast and crew (neither did Misha from what I recall).

Then he announces on twitter that his production company Chaos Machine are making a Supernatural prequel, The Winchesters, and a lot of spn alumni are going to be reprising their roles as actors/writers/directors. Jared replies with:

"Dude. Happy for you.

Wish I heard about this some way other than Twitter.

I’m excited to watch, but bummed that Sam Winchester had no involvement whatsoever."

A fan asks if he's joking, and he responds:

"No. It’s not. This is the first I’m hearing about it. I’m gutted.”

Robbie Thompson is announced as executive producer, so Jared fires off:

"@[robbie thompson]

Et tu brute??

Wow.

What a truly awful thing you’ve done.

#Bravo, you coward"

All this to no public response from Jensen, and lots of good luck messages from the other cast and crew who, presumably, all knew this was happening ahead of time.

Reportedly, I believe according to Jared, he and Jensen talked it through privately after that and they appear to be very friendly again at cons and such but it was So. Fucking. Funny. The posting was incredible, the speculation as to when Jensen stopped being friends with Jared, the surfacing of J2 press interviews with Jared monologuing about how much he respects the spn ending while Jensen silently lets the rot consume him.

Also PS in the Winchesters they use a still of Dean from a Supernatural episode as a photograph and for some reason instead of using the plethora of Dean by himself images from the spn catalogue they opted to use one of Dean and Sam and then photoshop Sam out of it. The pettiness!!!!

[laf-outloud]

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I'm sorry I haven't seen anything about J2 working together again. Would you mind sharing a link about the post or the one where you've spoken about it? :) I'm a bit shocked they'd do a project together now.

The anon was concerned that Keegan's photo with the caption and some other info they'd heard (that I couldn't verify, and could cause drama), made them worried that J2 would work together again... possibly on Walker. That's all it's referring to.

[theboombutton]

Ok so Alex was the main writer for this casement, and obviously he knew we would latch on to incidental characters that seem a lot like Jon and Martin.

The questions I have are: first, whether it was a prank on TMA fans; and second, if it's not a prank, what he intended to convey by including them. Alex doesn't seem like the kind of guy to leave jmart fan service for its own sake; if those are truly alternate Jon and Martin, I suspect they're there for a story or setting reason.

Was it a prank?

I'm inclined to answer no. Darrien didn't just describe them, he wondered aloud while recounting his story if what happened to him also happened to them. That's not out of the question for prank red-string-bait, but the more you harp on incidental characters that seem like Jon and Martin, the more plausible it becomes that they are. People red-stringing over things that the author draws a circle around and writes "look at this!" next to isn't funny - it's just analysis.

Prank is still on the table, but it's not my preferred explanation.

If they are alternate Jon & Martin, what does their presence here imply?

One thing it probably implies is that we're dealing with more than one alternate universe here.

So far we've only had evidence of two: the Protocolverse, and Celia's home universe. We're reasonably sure that Celia's home universe is the Archiverse, because the character voiced by Lowri in TMA only took the name Celia after she lost her memories in the Eyepocalypse. And if Darrien comes from a universe where Martin worked reception at a therapist's office and Jon was a client, then he didn't come from the Archiverse. He came through from another, until-now-unknown-to-us universe.

Wild speculation ahead

Turn back now if you only want thoughts that are well-evidenced

There's also another possibility we could stack on top of the implication of a third universe. This is primarily supported by Doylist reasoning, rather than in-universe evidence.

Alex wrote ?Jon and ?Martin in close proximity to Darrien's universe shift. He brought attention to the fact that Darrien didn't recognize either of them - ?Martin being a new hire, and ?Jon being a new-enough face to be worth pondering. This would imply it was fairly likely ?Jon and ?Martin's first meeting - likely even their first time being in a room together. And Alex, through Darrien, further invited us to wonder if ?Jon and ?Martin had been pulled across universes as well.

Is it possible that the universe shift happened because of Therapyverse's Jon and Martin being in close proximity at the time?

Jon and Martin are apparently cosmically important in at least the Protocolverse, given that they manifested as two of FR3-D1's voices. What if something in the Protocolverse is pulling in Jons and Martins from other universes? It might be easier or more efficient to find or to pull them when they cross paths, and Darrien just got schlurped up with them this time.

Who would be interested in collecting alternate Jons and Martins? I can think of a few possibilities:

The Fears. They've got Jon and Martin reading case files, maybe they need more Jon & Martin to make FR3-D1 go.

The OIAR. Lena said some entities are benevolent, most aren't, and they're trying to maintain a balance. If Jon and Martin are their "benevolent entities," then maybe they think pulling additional copies into their universe's fear-space strengthens them. Maybe they're even right.

The Magnus Institute itself. It was still around at the time of Darrien's shift, given that the case is from the Institute's files. Jonah Magnus may have figured out (or found out) that Jon and Martin had something to do with his ascension in another universe, and started abducting alternate versions of them as part of his research.

Maybe Chester and Norris started talking a year ago because someone or something finally pulled enough Jons and Martins (and J2s?) into an extradimensional JMalgamation to give them the necessary power.

Maybe Darrien got spat out practically starved to death because he couldn't feed on fear, nor were there versions of himself that could that he could amalgamate with.

And who the fuck is the second J?

[watching-sam-and-dean-again]

Okay, but do we think J2's character will be allies, enemies, "other" or just randomly nod at each other and have a "Maverick Monment" (Like Danny and Mel)?

And will Jared's character be a villain, (super or suit), an ally of the boys? Or some other type of character?

theboystv: Season 5 just got a bit more supernatural.

[loving-family-poll]

Wait a fucking moment. So RPFs are eligible for those polls, did you ever run J2 as an option ?

I mean, there is definitely grounds for *speculation*, and fandom is hardly new. The propoganda is as long as humanity's sins.

Really funny stuff anon. J2 fucking wish they were actual brothers who drunkenly jerked each other off at least once in the 2000s but sadly they are just two unrelated guys who did that

[lightofraye]

Well, hello!

I am… hanging in there. Ahem.

Let’s get to your ask, yeah?

So…. There are at least two ways to take that statement Jensen made. Cockles fanatics took it to mean that Jensen was saying he also called Misha his boyfriend (ignoring the ridiculous thing Misha did by arranging the whole “Straightgate” of him first confessing to being bisexual and then making a huge statement that no, he’s straight—and conveniently had merchandise ready when he “came out” as bisexual). I and many other more sane individuals took it to mean Jensen was calling Misha Danneel’s boyfriend! Meaning Danneel calling Misha her boyfriend and Jensen going “Yeah, he’s her boyfriend”.

As to for why he did that? Blatant pandering to hopefully keep the hellers and fanatics calm—not that it worked. He’s in a rock and a hard place. He’s tried for years to make it clear he didn’t see Destiel as canon. He became increasingly belligerent about it, actually, because apparently nobody was listening! Then shit happened—people spreading rumors he was homophobic and biphobic, wrecking his reputation (or near enough). Fans talked and the chatter got to him.

They won’t stop. They won’t respect him or his wishes about it. It doesn’t help that Misha keeps escalating his lies—nonsense that was never in scripts, claiming the CW was homophobic (no they weren’t) and his pandering to the Cockles as well (no, Jensen never bought him that ring). Misha sees it as a money grab, which is clearly he needs—almost no one is hiring him, and all Misha has left is Destiel and Cockles.

There’s some things Jensen can do, but it may not be enough. Heck, I think Jared has a better case of charges of endangerment given Misha’s lies about Jared have resulted in Jared getting death threats from hellers!

I think Jensen has decided to walk a careful line. Just enough for the hellers to leave him be, but not enough for them to try and destroy him. His answers have become increasingly diplomatic…. Just a shame it isn’t working. The hellers and Cockles hear only what they want to hear.

Ahem. Next part!

Oof. J2 question. My opinion/speculation? Yes, they’re still good friends. But distance plays a part in why we don’t see them together as often as we used to—by fans or their IG. Well, distance and… other factors.

In the midst of, gosh, I think late 2020, the Ackles moved to Colorado for a time. So there’s that distance. Then The Winchesters happened and I believe that drove a rift for a time. Justifiable, really. Ask a fan and you’ll get a different answer from all of them on what happened.

Here’s what I see and feel.

Jensen didn’t want Supernatural to end. Jared did; in fact, Jared was burnt out on acting and was considering a change. But Walker got him excited about acting again. Jensen, not ready to let go of Supernatural, approached Robbie Thompson (one of the writers of Supernatural) about a spin-off. CW was willing to let Jensen give it a try, because they wanted it to continue as well.

For reasons we may never truly know, Jensen didn’t tell Jared—and he should have! Yes, Jensen claimed that he was superstitious, but… I believe there’s other factors I won’t get into. When Deadline dropped the announcement, Jared was hurt—Supernatural was his legacy as much as Jensen’s. I believe Jared was right to be upset.

That created a rift for a while. Yes, they remain friends, but it took time for their friendship, I feel, to move past that hurt. I believe we started to see signs of J2 being good friends again. They’re seen dining out during conventions, their antics are returning.

Thing is, since then, Jensen sold all properties in Austin (and Colorado) and moved the family to Connecticut. So they’re not seen together as often, which honestly, I miss. I believe that friendship is good medicine for Jensen.

Which kinda answers your other question—do the Ackles still live in Austin? No. Near as I and anyone else can tell, Jensen sold all properties there. He did say he visits often to see family (his side), and likely stays at a hotel or friend’s home when he visits.

No worries about your English. I was able to understand you just fine. I hope this answers everything.

And yeah, no worries, your name is definitely cropped out. I know how hellers can be. 😅

I hope you have a wonderful weekend too!

[hatchet-boy]

Imagine, if you will, that it is 2015.

Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki share at a Supernatural convention that they used to share a "double banger" trailer in season one– but the crew decided they had to be given their own for unspecified reasons –the tinhats go insane! tumblr crashes! the supernatural fandom breaks twitter with all of their speculation! Infighting about the ~implications~ is rampant! J2 fics FLOOD into Ao3! it all goes down as the most famous moment in Supernatural history.....

...except none of this happens, because j2 announced this at a convention IN 2025. FIVE YEARS AFTER SUPERNATURAL FINISHED AND TEN YEARS AFTER THIS EVENT HAD THE POTENTIAL TO SHAKE THE GLOBE. because most of the tinhats are dead, supernatural is only just still relevant somehow, jackles + jarpad all but make out on stage these days and gay jokes about each other and the world are simply par for the course. Insanity.

[thetriboulet]

Woooo so the Magnus Protocol premiered and I have things to say and things to overanalyse!

As we know, 'Chester', 'Neil' and 'Augustus' are, maybe?, Jon, Martin, and Jonah, respectively. Hence this:

And, of course, there's 'J1', 'M1' and 'J2' in the trailer.

However, I've seen confusion over the fact that the third 'Error' is voiced by Tim Fearon, who as far as I'm aware has not previously voiced any characters in the Magnus universe. Even though the name is distorted, I can make out what looks to be an H at the end of the name, so this very well may be Jonah.

My theory is this: 'Augustus' is Jonah (or just his voice). However, since the body of Elias was killed in the Panopticon, Jonah does not use Elias' voice anymore. Jon, Martin, and Jonah are all disembodied, if we are to believe they are somehow inside the computer/other technology (ie Alice/Sam's phone in the pub scene) or in some way somewhere adjacent to the world of Protocol. So it could, in a dream-logicy eldritch sense, follow that Jonah is able to survive in his own creepy old ass man way, and use his original voice. Obviously, I cannot corroborate this claim in any meaningful way. We have not heard Augustus speak yet, but I think it is a possibility nonetheless.

The fact that Augustus supposedly shows up to read cases aloud significantly less than Chester and Neil could also be a clue. Maybe Jonah is weaker than Jon and Martin due to his injuries, and is therefore unable to materialise as often as Jon and Martin. Maybe the voice that speaks the true cases (because, similarly to how true statements were identified using the tape recorder in TMA, I imagine true cases will be singled out using the text to speech system) is relevant to the case itself - ie, Jonah only speaks when a case is heavily linked to the Eye, etc.

Furthermore, there's the question of who is spying on who and when/why. By this I mean that we hear our perspective switch between devices (the phone, the computer, the security camera during Colin and Sam's interaction, etc), and I believe that this happens because one or more of the 'Errors' (as I am going to refer to them henceforth) is travelling between devices to spy on the characters' conversations. What we hear is dictated by what the Errors, characters who have prior knowledge of the Fears, deem important. This is backed up by the episode's closing scene: Colin's paranoid closing lines. It is clear that Colin believes someone is listening to them, and it is implied that he has made a connection between this and the Errors. What intrigues me is the Errors' motivation for doing this at all. If what they deem important is what we hear, and this is the first that we are hearing, then it seems to me that it is Sam's arrival that has given them cause for concern, or (in Jonah's case) hope (if he is plotting to return, or something, I don't put it past the scheming weasel). So, why are they listening? And how can we really tell if what we are hearing is the spying of Jonah, or of Jon and Martin?

Another thing. Jonny makes a point of letting us know that Alice does not think the work they do is of any significance, or is checked by anyone. She constantly mentions it in passing and is very casual in her attitude towards work. We obviously have the foresight to know this isn't true. The reason I point this out is because of what Sam does when filling out his paperwork: he ticks the 'Response' box, to which Alice responds that it doesn't matter. This could be nothing, it probably is nothing, but I feel like the fact that Sam has ticked the onboarding box of a mysterious department of an already mysertious organisation might come up later...

Yes I know I am jumping to a lot of conclusions, especially where the Errors are concerned. Please take every theory you hear, from me or anyone else, with a grain of salt, this is all speculative. From a writer's perspective, I honestly think it's pretty likely that Chester and Neil aren't actually Jon and Martin, and just their voices taken by the Web or something, but shh I can dream.

Edit: oh my god they changed his name to Norris that is even worse. Jonny and Alex were fr like 'neil is too kind, we need the name to be Chester levels of horrific'

[lol-jackles]

Did you ever been to a SPN convention? And how was it?

Yes, twice. IMO, boring except for Jared, Jensen, Mark Sheppard, and Timothy Omundson. It’s an one-show convention so there’s less variety in the crowd and costumes, and the vendor room is small.

Fan-videos don't get across on how well Jared and Jensen work with each other during their panel; they're totally in sync and can basically read each other’s mind, it’s something you have to see live.

Me and my girlfriend went to our first SPN con in 2016. We’re the type of people that only need to experience something once, then we’re done.   Or so I thought. I end up going to a SPN con a second time in 2017 for the Sunday panel.  Readers, if you saw five biker-looking old farts at your convention, I was the good looking one.  They enjoyed the J2 panel very much and even shouted “Supernatural forever!” when a fan asked when they thought SPN would end.

Now that I write this, in retrospect this was around the timeline that I've speculated was when CBS approached Jared with an offer of a holding deal (X) and why Jensen pitched his Dean-led Supernatural at Comic Con (X). Remember kids, the official story that Jared and Jensen put out was they decided in 2017/18 during season 13 to give SPN "two more seasons". 

R.E.M song: that’s me in the corner yelling bullshit

Anyways, it was always crazy to me that SPN has its own convention over 3-day weekend.  Even crazier that they attempted a “spin off” SPN convention featuring just their supporting and one-off guest actors.  But that goes to show what a merchandise goldmine SPN was.

In all conventions I go to, I like to hang out in vendor rooms to chat up the vendors and get good stories out of them.  Occasionally actors will pop in and out unexpectedly and it was the same at SPN cons; Jensen looked like an athletic jock and Jared looked like a bean pole hipster.  IMO Jared looks better IRL than on screen because he’s less photogenic than Jensen whose face is more light friendly. 

[sunflowerdigs]

I've never really understood the incredulity around actors hooking up on a project. It's fairly commonplace and doesn't need the imagination of a 'desperate psycho'. Oliver is so deliberate about what he releases on his SM. Whatever he puts out, he doesn't mind if we see it.

It could be that both Oliver and Ryan are dating other people but in order to protect those relationships, they're letting us speculate about Ryliver (it's happened before - the woman Kristen Stewart came out with was a friend, not her actual girlfriend). Or it could be that they're actually together and they want to share that but are bound up by contracts, acting ambitions, etc.

Either way, I think fandom needs to be less critical about speculation based on information that celebrities choose to make public. Because that's why they make it public - to get people talking about them. And the talk is generally fun and silly and not particularly meaningful until some hostile asshole shows up and tries to crucify people for having eyes and ears and believing that gay people exist. Then it becomes personal and people double down and become invasive and you end up with a mess like Larry or J2 (although, imo, Larry was a perfect storm situation and not a great example).

[spnj2fanlw]

And I completely agree with them.

https://www.tumblr.com/teamfreewill2pointo/733253418548920320/i-get-why-j2-feel-so-protective-of-sam-and-dean

I think that J2 wanting to be EPs is purely protection for them and their characters. They aren’t likely to demand writers do exactly what they say in but-picky detail, rather they want to be able to veto out of character decisions or things that do not service their characters or do them justice. Both have had to swallow things they didn’t want to do, but I think Jared has had to do so more often. He worked hard to show Sam’s development where many writers didn’t bother to.

Personally, I agree that J2 know their characters better than anyone at this point. I wouldn’t want to watch a reboot/revival/continuation where they didn’t have some creative control. But they both know they aren’t writers, either.

I hope they can get a continuation of even 6-10 episodes.

Yup. They acknowledge the hard work of writing and they've said multiple times that they don't want to write it and they know they don't have the skill to do so. They just want to be able to say Sam and Dean wouldn't do this and have it respected instead of ignored.

It's not about ego. It's about them being protective of their characters after being forced to portray scenes and storylines that didn't fit their characters. Jared has talked in public and in m&gs about how much it didn't fit Sam to work with Lucifer, much less crack jokes with Lucifer, without having a reaction after what Lucifer did to him.

Jensen has talked about how, in season 11, they had Dean return to hell, and the writing team in season 11 completely ignored Dean's history with hell, so Jensen had to put in a brief pause because the text had zero mention of any trepidation.

When Jensen talked about it in a jibcon panel with Misha, he was very generous to the writers, and pointed out how a lot of them were new, and don't know the history of the characters.

And it's not like fans didn't notice or complain about these storylines either. Jared has said that when he brought up the Lucifer thing, he was told by TPTB that the fans wouldn't care or notice. He knew that we would care and notice, but he didn't have the power to fix it. Now, he only wants to do Supernatural if he has the power to fix it.

They want to avoid those types of things happening in the reboot. They want to be able to say, "This is OOC for Sam/Dean" and have the text changed to fit the characters instead of the characters changed to fit the text.