#j2 speculation

[laf-outloud]

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I’m confused by people being shocked that J2 might work together again.

I sort of get it if people don’t want to see Jared work with Jensen again (prequelgate and so on), or just specifically don’t want Jensen on Walker (AAs are a nightmare and no one wants them near any show), but I’m pretty surprised that people actually don't expect them to get back on screen together at some point. Or see it as some "that ship has long sailed" situation.

Both Jared and Jensen bring up doing an SPN revival on their own. They don’t just say, "sure" when people ask them about it. I get people thinking this is just fan service, but if a fan doesn’t bring it up first, they certainly don’t have to say something at just about every con. I think they truly do want to do at least a mini series or something. Whether they’ll get the go ahead for it is another story. Also, they've been getting more and move nostalgic lately at cons, and more and more like old-school J2 on stage. I know, cons are for show, but the quality of their interactions over the last few cons just feel more fond than they did (for the most part) last year, for example. They always have good chemistry, but it’s been especially good lately. Yes, they do lots of stuff that is "for show" but there is just a different feel when they seem like they are truly vibing.

As for Jensen on Walker. I’m 50/50 on whether it will happen. But, I certainly won’t be surprised if it does.

Still, Keegan’s photo (which is what has people worried, I guess) was taken during the Nov 5th weekend when hellers were celebrating their embarrassing meme scene and waiting for Jensen to maybe make a mention of it, so the pic of J2 could have been in response to that, just in a delayed post. A little reminder that Supernatural was about the brother (not Destiel). Or, maybe J2 are actually still good friends behind the scenes and Keegan just wanted a pic of them and their long hair. 🤷‍♀️

I just think the fandom in general does a lot of projecting, and I’m certain,y not immune to it either. Jared doesn’t ever want to work with Jensen again, and him saying he does is just fan service, but it’s never going to happen (projection). J2 are vibing exactly like old times and are clearly still besties who already have a whole Season 16 of SPN planned out (projection). Jared has moved on and never plans to look back at supernatural (projection). Jared and Jensen are happiest when working together and they’ll make it happen no matter what (projection). Anyway, my point with these examples is we don’t actually know how Jared (or Jensen) feels about doing an SPN revival or having Jensen on Walker besides them saying they are interested publicly at one point or another, but assuming they don’t/do want these things because we don’t /do want these things, could lead to some unpleasant realities down the line.

Just out of curiosity: Will you still tune in to Walker if Jensen does get a recurring role on it? And would you watch SPN reboot/revival if it happened?

You make a lot of good points! The photo could have been counteracting the Destiel thing... but I also think Keegan being a Sunday con attendee, and having worked with Jensen and Jared together, has only every really seen SPN as the show about brothers, so his caption doesn't surprise me.

And you're right, none of us know what J2's relationship is really like right now... and fans (myself included) certainly throw our preferences around, lol! Personally, I don't think their con behavior is back to what it was post-prequelgate/end of SPN, but we all see things differently.

As for your questions... I would probably still watch Walker if Jensen had a recurring role... but I wouldn't be as excited to live-tweet or reblog gifs/screengrabs from those episodes. In fact, I'd probably avoid social media altogether simply so I wouldn't have to see AAs (and frankly, Jensen) try to make the show all about him, while completely dismissing Jared (and the other cast member's) contributions. They may be delusional, but they have the power to ruin every fandom they enter.

An SPN reboot is a harder question, mostly because it would have to be the exact right set of circumstances (right producers, writers, time-frame, lack of extras, etc.) for me to even consider watching.

I think the only reboot that I'd be glad to watch with both Jensen and Jared would be the one they talked about a while ago... Lonesome Dove. It would be about 10 years down the road... certainly enough time (I would hope) for the SPN fandom to settle down, and would be a chance for J2 to work together again without all of SPN's baggage.

[hologramcowboy]

This is in reference to your answer about how J2 equation is currently.

I feel like Jared has become a bit nonchalant about Jensen and he is clearly communicating that energy to some degree across to Jensen in a non-verbal way. It essentially means that he is currently a bit more comfortable with himself & doesn't need that JA validation as much. Cons are a job to him that he wants to do really well for the fans.

I think Jensen has noticed this subtle distancing and is slightly trying to sway Jared back. This seems like one of those dynamics where till the time someone gives you attention you don't care about them but the moment they don't you want to get them back. He is hoping to do the bare minimum in this regard and have Jared at his beck and call again.

Also, I think he has realised that producing a show on the CW isn't as easy as he probably thought since TW hasn't been a cake walk with both the falling Demo and Viewership. Add to it the blatantly negative feedback all across.

Clearly when he didn't mention Jared once during the promotion event in NY, it was clear that he was going for Jared/Sam erasure. Unfortunately it didn't quiet work out so well for him.

Oh, I agree, he was definitely going for Sam erasure and I do think it took Jared a while to figure it all out because he worships the ground Jensen walks on and so initially he didn't dig deep. I do think that has changed and he is now being extremely cautious.

Jensen is definitely unhappy about the backlash and I think, as you've noted, he is trying to fix public perception and regain the chemistry he had with Jared. I am sure that has a lot to do with him planning a revival and knowing that sans Jared it wouldn't be possible and also at a professional level Jared can grant him visibility and opportunities on his show...so I have no doubt Jensen is vying for all of that now.

[dimplecki]

Are J2 still friends? I never caught up what to what happened after their Twitter beef a couple years ago but was randomly just thinking about it lol

My guess is as good as anybody's really anon,

I think their friendship has ups and down and with spn ending(it was my understanding jared wanted to leave but jensen didnt)) and the whole prequel thing their friendship took a serious hit. I noticed they arent as comfortable around eachother as they used to be but it too shall pass i guess. Theyve been as close as two people could be for many years i dont think they would ever hate eachother, but friends grow apart and its OK. I love them both and support them each in their individual path ❤️ hoping they will find a way to eachothers hearts(and to our screen) again.

[orionsangel86]

Given the utterly deranged and wrong things Jarpiss thinks about Supernatural and Dean, along with Jackles general contempt for the asshole, I am starting to think an actual SPN reboot would be impossible.

Jackles could attempt to close off Dean and Cas's stories in a proper way within The Winchesters if he gets more seasons of that, or perhaps bring out another spin off focused on Dean and Cas after having escaped to another universe perhaps?

But a full on SPN reboot with Jarpiss once again taking on the role of Sam? Honestly I think its unlikely.

The only other way to do it is either recast Sam, or wait another decade or so and then reboot SPN again from scratch but with a whole new cast of twentysomethings.

I doubt they'd recast Sam, as even with Jackles contempt and Jarpiss's general appalling behaviour, it would fire up so much bad press and piss of the deluded bronly/j*red stans so much they'd prob get violent (theyve been known to in the past).

So what does everyone think the options are here? A proper send off in The Winchesters? A new spin off focused on Dean and Cas? (Which could also generate controvery in itself), or a full reboot with all new cast and Jackles taking on a producer role and maybe some time travel hijynx for him and Misha to cameo as older Dean and Cas (like they did in the Star Trek reboot movies).

Personally I'd like a mix of all these options! So long as we get proper closure for Dean and Cas's stories, which I genuinely believe at this point is Jackles ultimate goal in whatever he is planning.

[fandom-hoarder]

Is there a reason why Jared doesn't do cons with JDM? I see much more with Jensen and JDM than Jared with JDM

There are quite a few past conventions where the 3 Js were all there together, but those seem like special occasions. I'm not a convention expert or anything, but it doesn't seem like JDM does many conventions in general. According to what I could find online, he only did a handful the last couple years. He's signed up for more Creation Cons this year than we've seen recently-- maybe because of his upcoming debut on The Boys? Idk.

But as far as I know, there's no reason Jared and JDM don't do conventions together, other than that JDM is sometimes brought on when Jared can't be there. The Js are all friends, afaik, so it's not like they're purposely avoiding each other. They have matching tattoos ffs.

I'd imagine a lot of it has to do more with appearance fees vs ticket and venue pricing + time allotted.

[theboombutton]

Ok so Alex was the main writer for this casement, and obviously he knew we would latch on to incidental characters that seem a lot like Jon and Martin.

The questions I have are: first, whether it was a prank on TMA fans; and second, if it's not a prank, what he intended to convey by including them. Alex doesn't seem like the kind of guy to leave jmart fan service for its own sake; if those are truly alternate Jon and Martin, I suspect they're there for a story or setting reason.

Was it a prank?

I'm inclined to answer no. Darrien didn't just describe them, he wondered aloud while recounting his story if what happened to him also happened to them. That's not out of the question for prank red-string-bait, but the more you harp on incidental characters that seem like Jon and Martin, the more plausible it becomes that they are. People red-stringing over things that the author draws a circle around and writes "look at this!" next to isn't funny - it's just analysis.

Prank is still on the table, but it's not my preferred explanation.

If they are alternate Jon & Martin, what does their presence here imply?

One thing it probably implies is that we're dealing with more than one alternate universe here.

So far we've only had evidence of two: the Protocolverse, and Celia's home universe. We're reasonably sure that Celia's home universe is the Archiverse, because the character voiced by Lowri in TMA only took the name Celia after she lost her memories in the Eyepocalypse. And if Darrien comes from a universe where Martin worked reception at a therapist's office and Jon was a client, then he didn't come from the Archiverse. He came through from another, until-now-unknown-to-us universe.

Wild speculation ahead

Turn back now if you only want thoughts that are well-evidenced

There's also another possibility we could stack on top of the implication of a third universe. This is primarily supported by Doylist reasoning, rather than in-universe evidence.

Alex wrote ?Jon and ?Martin in close proximity to Darrien's universe shift. He brought attention to the fact that Darrien didn't recognize either of them - ?Martin being a new hire, and ?Jon being a new-enough face to be worth pondering. This would imply it was fairly likely ?Jon and ?Martin's first meeting - likely even their first time being in a room together. And Alex, through Darrien, further invited us to wonder if ?Jon and ?Martin had been pulled across universes as well.

Is it possible that the universe shift happened because of Therapyverse's Jon and Martin being in close proximity at the time?

Jon and Martin are apparently cosmically important in at least the Protocolverse, given that they manifested as two of FR3-D1's voices. What if something in the Protocolverse is pulling in Jons and Martins from other universes? It might be easier or more efficient to find or to pull them when they cross paths, and Darrien just got schlurped up with them this time.

Who would be interested in collecting alternate Jons and Martins? I can think of a few possibilities:

The Fears. They've got Jon and Martin reading case files, maybe they need more Jon & Martin to make FR3-D1 go.

The OIAR. Lena said some entities are benevolent, most aren't, and they're trying to maintain a balance. If Jon and Martin are their "benevolent entities," then maybe they think pulling additional copies into their universe's fear-space strengthens them. Maybe they're even right.

The Magnus Institute itself. It was still around at the time of Darrien's shift, given that the case is from the Institute's files. Jonah Magnus may have figured out (or found out) that Jon and Martin had something to do with his ascension in another universe, and started abducting alternate versions of them as part of his research.

Maybe Chester and Norris started talking a year ago because someone or something finally pulled enough Jons and Martins (and J2s?) into an extradimensional JMalgamation to give them the necessary power.

Maybe Darrien got spat out practically starved to death because he couldn't feed on fear, nor were there versions of himself that could that he could amalgamate with.

And who the fuck is the second J?

[thetriboulet]

Woooo so the Magnus Protocol premiered and I have things to say and things to overanalyse!

As we know, 'Chester', 'Neil' and 'Augustus' are, maybe?, Jon, Martin, and Jonah, respectively. Hence this:

And, of course, there's 'J1', 'M1' and 'J2' in the trailer.

However, I've seen confusion over the fact that the third 'Error' is voiced by Tim Fearon, who as far as I'm aware has not previously voiced any characters in the Magnus universe. Even though the name is distorted, I can make out what looks to be an H at the end of the name, so this very well may be Jonah.

My theory is this: 'Augustus' is Jonah (or just his voice). However, since the body of Elias was killed in the Panopticon, Jonah does not use Elias' voice anymore. Jon, Martin, and Jonah are all disembodied, if we are to believe they are somehow inside the computer/other technology (ie Alice/Sam's phone in the pub scene) or in some way somewhere adjacent to the world of Protocol. So it could, in a dream-logicy eldritch sense, follow that Jonah is able to survive in his own creepy old ass man way, and use his original voice. Obviously, I cannot corroborate this claim in any meaningful way. We have not heard Augustus speak yet, but I think it is a possibility nonetheless.

The fact that Augustus supposedly shows up to read cases aloud significantly less than Chester and Neil could also be a clue. Maybe Jonah is weaker than Jon and Martin due to his injuries, and is therefore unable to materialise as often as Jon and Martin. Maybe the voice that speaks the true cases (because, similarly to how true statements were identified using the tape recorder in TMA, I imagine true cases will be singled out using the text to speech system) is relevant to the case itself - ie, Jonah only speaks when a case is heavily linked to the Eye, etc.

Furthermore, there's the question of who is spying on who and when/why. By this I mean that we hear our perspective switch between devices (the phone, the computer, the security camera during Colin and Sam's interaction, etc), and I believe that this happens because one or more of the 'Errors' (as I am going to refer to them henceforth) is travelling between devices to spy on the characters' conversations. What we hear is dictated by what the Errors, characters who have prior knowledge of the Fears, deem important. This is backed up by the episode's closing scene: Colin's paranoid closing lines. It is clear that Colin believes someone is listening to them, and it is implied that he has made a connection between this and the Errors. What intrigues me is the Errors' motivation for doing this at all. If what they deem important is what we hear, and this is the first that we are hearing, then it seems to me that it is Sam's arrival that has given them cause for concern, or (in Jonah's case) hope (if he is plotting to return, or something, I don't put it past the scheming weasel). So, why are they listening? And how can we really tell if what we are hearing is the spying of Jonah, or of Jon and Martin?

Another thing. Jonny makes a point of letting us know that Alice does not think the work they do is of any significance, or is checked by anyone. She constantly mentions it in passing and is very casual in her attitude towards work. We obviously have the foresight to know this isn't true. The reason I point this out is because of what Sam does when filling out his paperwork: he ticks the 'Response' box, to which Alice responds that it doesn't matter. This could be nothing, it probably is nothing, but I feel like the fact that Sam has ticked the onboarding box of a mysterious department of an already mysertious organisation might come up later...

Yes I know I am jumping to a lot of conclusions, especially where the Errors are concerned. Please take every theory you hear, from me or anyone else, with a grain of salt, this is all speculative. From a writer's perspective, I honestly think it's pretty likely that Chester and Neil aren't actually Jon and Martin, and just their voices taken by the Web or something, but shh I can dream.

Edit: oh my god they changed his name to Norris that is even worse. Jonny and Alex were fr like 'neil is too kind, we need the name to be Chester levels of horrific'

[laf-outloud]

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I'm sorry I haven't seen anything about J2 working together again. Would you mind sharing a link about the post or the one where you've spoken about it? :) I'm a bit shocked they'd do a project together now.

The anon was concerned that Keegan's photo with the caption and some other info they'd heard (that I couldn't verify, and could cause drama), made them worried that J2 would work together again... possibly on Walker. That's all it's referring to.

[suddenlysundayisspnj2fanlw]

And I completely agree with them.

https://www.tumblr.com/teamfreewill2pointo/733253418548920320/i-get-why-j2-feel-so-protective-of-sam-and-dean

I think that J2 wanting to be EPs is purely protection for them and their characters. They aren’t likely to demand writers do exactly what they say in but-picky detail, rather they want to be able to veto out of character decisions or things that do not service their characters or do them justice. Both have had to swallow things they didn’t want to do, but I think Jared has had to do so more often. He worked hard to show Sam’s development where many writers didn’t bother to.

Personally, I agree that J2 know their characters better than anyone at this point. I wouldn’t want to watch a reboot/revival/continuation where they didn’t have some creative control. But they both know they aren’t writers, either.

I hope they can get a continuation of even 6-10 episodes.

Yup. They acknowledge the hard work of writing and they've said multiple times that they don't want to write it and they know they don't have the skill to do so. They just want to be able to say Sam and Dean wouldn't do this and have it respected instead of ignored.

It's not about ego. It's about them being protective of their characters after being forced to portray scenes and storylines that didn't fit their characters. Jared has talked in public and in m&gs about how much it didn't fit Sam to work with Lucifer, much less crack jokes with Lucifer, without having a reaction after what Lucifer did to him.

Jensen has talked about how, in season 11, they had Dean return to hell, and the writing team in season 11 completely ignored Dean's history with hell, so Jensen had to put in a brief pause because the text had zero mention of any trepidation.

When Jensen talked about it in a jibcon panel with Misha, he was very generous to the writers, and pointed out how a lot of them were new, and don't know the history of the characters.

And it's not like fans didn't notice or complain about these storylines either. Jared has said that when he brought up the Lucifer thing, he was told by TPTB that the fans wouldn't care or notice. He knew that we would care and notice, but he didn't have the power to fix it. Now, he only wants to do Supernatural if he has the power to fix it.

They want to avoid those types of things happening in the reboot. They want to be able to say, "This is OOC for Sam/Dean" and have the text changed to fit the characters instead of the characters changed to fit the text.

[hologramcowboy]

//noticed some body language cues and microexpressions that make me wonder. //

Can you give a few examples of the types of body language you noted, or micro-expressions? Or just things to watch for from each guy? I’ve watched Jared and Jensen's more recent panels trying to decide how I think they’re doing, and I keep flip-flopping between thinking they are getting to a better place with each other and the idea that they’re just putting on a stronger show and falling into their practiced habits. Maybe I’m picking up on the cues but not consciously?

I have noticed that some of their connections are missed at times, but they are also often in sync a lot, too.

It's important to note that actors are hyperaware of the effect their presence has on the crowd and due to this they carefully orchestrate each move to create the desired effects. Both Jared and Jensen play on their sex symbol images so to see real microexpressions you need to focus on those moments when they lose sight that everyone is watching. Which can be extremely difficult, especially with Jensen who has truly developed a persona on stage. Despite this, while words and chosen mannerisms can lie body language and microexpressions will always reveal someone's true mood so look for:

signs of tension that contradict the joy someone is displaying: e.g. they are laughing loudly but their eyes look full of tension and sad. Jensen is a master at hiding his emotions.

when one is speaking always looks for what the one who is not speaking is signaling but keeping in mind that most of what they do on stage is a performance much like stand up comedy so be on the watch for spontaneous reactions. Jared is usually more open and authentic compared to Jensen and when he fakes his mood you can spot that easily. There is a tension in his smile, it doesn't reach his eyes, he sweats and his nostrils flare. He may be smiling but he looks discontent. With Jensen it is a bit harder because he's so used to playing on his looks most of his expressions are histrionic and pre-planned, however, his eyes look dead inside even if he puts on that wide smile where people just focus on how how he is and he always has outbursts of arrogance that give his real mood away. His emotions are very intense so when they do shift it's hard to miss though he tries to hide it by adopting a sarcastic persona.

by the way, the look at the person who isn't talking thing- apply it in the workplace especially, when negotiating or in a meeting, if you want the truth, ask a well oriented, focused question from the person you are talking to and while they are answering, glance once in a while at the person standing next to them and what their bodylanguage and microexpressions are really telling you. They won't expect you to focus on them so they will be giving away a lot through their body language.

Especially during the last cons I've noticed how Jared's mood has shifted quite a bit towards the negative, he seemed sad and discontent but hiding it and this seemed to amplify during photo ops with Jensen. You know that feeling you get when you have to meet someone you don't really want to have to deal with and you are in competition with them because they wronged you and yet you end up in the same room together and have to play nice? That's exactly how I would describe it. They both had that look with Jensen's being a bit more amplified by a sense of arrogance. So it really made me wonder if maybe they had some not so pleasant discussions or some high stakes in some audition perhaps? Something's just off about their dynamic. I usually look for tension in the face and even photographers know this, they can really easily read the mood of the person they are photographing by noticing the tension in their lips, eyes, nerves and how it contradicts the expression they are actually putting on, for example, a smile. A real smile detenses your entire face, it lights up the eyes and you end up smizing with your eyes as well. Whereas, when you are smiling but your face looks frozen, your facial nerves are tense that indicates that you are forcing a smile against your natural mood in that moment and lately I've been noticing a lot of fake smiles and platitudes along with full on displaying discontent and contempt and both of them have mastered their on stage persona so if they are slipping and no longer able to hide certain emotions I'm really inclined to believe that all is not 100% harmonious with them.

They love each other as family but I think just like how brothers and sisters can get into high tension or competition so can J2 and perhaps there's a potential revival, audition or situation that has them a bit at odds with each other currently. Keep in mind, this is just my speculation so please ignore what does not resonate.

[lol-jackles]

Did you ever been to a SPN convention? And how was it?

Yes, twice. IMO, boring except for Jared, Jensen, Mark Sheppard, and Timothy Omundson. It’s an one-show convention so there’s less variety in the crowd and costumes, and the vendor room is small.

Fan-videos don't get across on how well Jared and Jensen work with each other during their panel; they're totally in sync and can basically read each other’s mind, it’s something you have to see live.

Me and my girlfriend went to our first SPN con in 2016. We’re the type of people that only need to experience something once, then we’re done.   Or so I thought. I end up going to a SPN con a second time in 2017 for the Sunday panel.  Readers, if you saw five biker-looking old farts at your convention, I was the good looking one.  They enjoyed the J2 panel very much and even shouted “Supernatural forever!” when a fan asked when they thought SPN would end.

Now that I write this, in retrospect this was around the timeline that I've speculated was when CBS approached Jared with an offer of a holding deal (X) and why Jensen pitched his Dean-led Supernatural at Comic Con (X). Remember kids, the official story that Jared and Jensen put out was they decided in 2017/18 during season 13 to give SPN "two more seasons". 

R.E.M song: that’s me in the corner yelling bullshit

Anyways, it was always crazy to me that SPN has its own convention over 3-day weekend.  Even crazier that they attempted a “spin off” SPN convention featuring just their supporting and one-off guest actors.  But that goes to show what a merchandise goldmine SPN was.

In all conventions I go to, I like to hang out in vendor rooms to chat up the vendors and get good stories out of them.  Occasionally actors will pop in and out unexpectedly and it was the same at SPN cons; Jensen looked like an athletic jock and Jared looked like a bean pole hipster.  IMO Jared looks better IRL than on screen because he’s less photogenic than Jensen whose face is more light friendly. 

[sunflowerdigs]

I've never really understood the incredulity around actors hooking up on a project. It's fairly commonplace and doesn't need the imagination of a 'desperate psycho'. Oliver is so deliberate about what he releases on his SM. Whatever he puts out, he doesn't mind if we see it.

It could be that both Oliver and Ryan are dating other people but in order to protect those relationships, they're letting us speculate about Ryliver (it's happened before - the woman Kristen Stewart came out with was a friend, not her actual girlfriend). Or it could be that they're actually together and they want to share that but are bound up by contracts, acting ambitions, etc.

Either way, I think fandom needs to be less critical about speculation based on information that celebrities choose to make public. Because that's why they make it public - to get people talking about them. And the talk is generally fun and silly and not particularly meaningful until some hostile asshole shows up and tries to crucify people for having eyes and ears and believing that gay people exist. Then it becomes personal and people double down and become invasive and you end up with a mess like Larry or J2 (although, imo, Larry was a perfect storm situation and not a great example).

[nancylou444]

genuinely so confused how you don't know what phan is. it's like right alongside supernatural with the internets most popular, annoying fandom (said with love obviously). they're youtubers, they were aggressively shipped together for years and speculated to be in a relationship and then it actually happened. like they actually ARE gay and IN a relationship, its crazy how out of the loop you are here. it doesn't matter exactly how jow long, but destiel and phan have both been around since the beginnings of tumblr and both kind of ruled the internet for years. destiel and phan are both just objectively more popular than j2, no one's stuffing any polls lol how would that even work, the fact is that destiel and phan are more popular than most ships on here.

[jarpadswalker]

Look I get where you are getting at mate, I really do but you need to learn to take things with a grain of salt when it comes to fans tell about any actor interactions they had at cons because they can lie about an actor being an asshole or rude when in reality they weren’t. I’ve seen it happen multiple times. Also you, me and everyone in the fandom don’t actually know Jensen, Jared, Misha or any other actors. We can’t decide what their personality and also just for the record Jared also has plenty of rude asshole moments at cons but I don’t hate him, like I don’t hate Jensen. Everyone is not perfect, Jensen is definitely not perfect, Jared is definitely not perfect, you are definitely not perfect and I am most definitely not perfect but you do not decide an actor’s personality, like I don’t decides Jared’s, I don’t decide Jensen’s and I don’t decide yours and you should as-well learn to sceptical about any negativity about an actor coming from a fan who met them at cons because they could be lying.

Well, mate, none of the examples I shared about Jensen is con experience..None of them are speculative ...these are something that Jensen has actually done in public. And you are absolutely right, You and I don't know any J2 personally, which is why I can judge him, only based on his public behavior.

I also agree that Jared has made mistakes in the past, be it his bar fight or using social media platforms to complain. But the biggest difference between Jared and Jensen is that Jared owns his mistake. He never hides behind others or blames others or acts indifferently. Jensen, on the other hand, has never owned his mistake. He never said sorry. If anything everytime be it, prequel, YANA, or any other issue, he never owned it or apologized for it and blamed others for it. These are some of his greatest hits, and I haven't added others to the list. This is the biggest issue with Jensen. In fact, Jensen tends to narrate his mistakes as some great achievements or incidents. He boast about them and treats it as a sign of being an alpha. In reality, it is the biggest red flag.

[carolinagirl80]

I am not attacking, I am just trying to understand, I promise. So none of you believe Jensen when he repeatedly says that he loves and respects Misha as a friend and you don’t believe Se Hinton, when she says that both Jensen and Misha are very close friends. Se Hinton has no bias for either j2 friendship or Jenmish friendship. So if you don’t believe your supposed fave (Jensen) and don’t believe someone who actually is more familiar with him than, Lynn, Vinnie or any of Lynn or Vinnie’s friend then who would who believe to make you guys realise that Jensen actually likes Misha and views him as a friend

Hey anon, going to try and answer this and not sound snippy! 🤣 These subjects tend to fire me up, so if I end up coming across that way, please know it’s not directed at you personally!

I’m not saying they aren’t friends at all today. I’m not saying they were never at least somewhat close friends. I’m just saying there has definitely been a marked change there in the past 5-6 years.

I believe it all comes back to Destiel and the more and more out of hand the fans got and the more Misha made inappropriate comments, the more uncomfortable it started making Jensen. The more Jensen denied the ship, the more his words were twisted to make it sound like he said things he wasn’t saying. I think that just caused a rift there.

You can often see it in Jensen’s body language when Misha is around. I’ll bring up that hug at SF this year until the day I die. Also, at the Geeks for Harris event, many people said Jensen looked like he wanted to die. He’s never quite relaxed around him anymore. It’s speculated that he was so stressed by the JenMish panels at a couple of JiBs that he got quite intoxicated to even be able to do the panels. Some even believe that one of them was possibly a sort of mental breakdown.

Something also has happened to where Misha avoids the topic of Destiel and the doesn’t make inappropriate comments as much as possible when Jensen is around. He only lets that loose when he’s alone at overseas cons now.

Of course, they are still friends with each other on some level. I just think that relationship took a hit. Even if they hated each other, it’s not like you wouldn’t see that anyway. Fan service is a thing.

[rewatching-sam-and-dean]

The Schrödinger's SPN Revival

So, recently there’s been a lot of talk on here and twitter because a couple articles have been published citing Jared and Jensen (or just Jensen in one POS article) mentioning discussing possibilities for a revival. Does this make it any more likely to happen or closer to being realized? I don’t know, but the guys have been mentioning it off and on for years already, so I’m not sure it’s any more likely now than it ever was. Also, with networks and the whole industry in seeming disarray, even if J2 want to get a revival going, I’m not sure it will happen.

But, let’s speculate anyway. Shall we?

(I CANOT get the link to work for some reason!!)

My thoughts on this, under the cut.

I’m no authority on anything in the TV industry, but I have watched our little show a lot, so I have thoughts. Let’s take look at each person on this poll.

Kripke - Obviously, he understands Sam and Dean. He created them after all. But, would I trust him with the revival? Well, judging by The Boys, he seems more focused on shock value than tight storytelling these days, so I’m not sure I would want to see an SPN on a streamer that he ran. It might become a case of all fireworks and little to no heart. Also, if he had ended the series in Season 5, both Sam and Dean would have been trapped in the cage forever. Not exactly a happy ending. Still, is he capable of manning a revival snd doing a decent job? Yes. Would I totally trust him with it? Maybe. Maybe not. Do I think he even has time to do it? Not really.

Jensen - Come on, people! If you want him to reprise his role as Dean, then he isn’t going to be the showrunner. Also, he’s an actor, not a writer, so it’s not even in his wheelhouse. So, no. This wouldn’t be a good idea. And after The Winchesters, I think it’s extremely unlikely that he’d be put at the helm in this way. The only upside to Jensen being a show runner? We know damn well Destiel would be ignored as vigorously as it deserves.

Robbie Thompson - Exhibit One: The Winchesters. So, no. Also, while he has written some episodes that I like of SPN, he was always trying to make the show something it wasn’t, whether it was Fairytale time with Charlie or trying to shoehorn romance into a platonic brother love story, he’s shown that he shouldn’t be trusted with the OG show in a position of power.

Sera Gamble - Season 6 while having some absolute bangers, was also a bit of a mess in some ways. And Season 7 was more so. How much of this was due to Gamble hersel and how much was due to Singer tugging at the reins, I don’t know. She is a proven showrunner, so I believe she could do it. She actually understands and enjoys Sam, so that would be a huge relief for those of us who actually care about Sam and want to see him get his due on screen. Also, she has never written Dean badly from my observations, despite certain past claims by “some people” on women not writing male dialogue well. In a lot of ways, I think she could be a good choice. But, would she be interested even? I have no clue.

Andrew Dabb - NEXT!!

Jeremy Carver - For reasons relating to Season 11, I would like to see him helm a revival. He can clearly follow through with a connected and coherent arc. However, for reasons relating to Season 8, where he had characters do a few hugely out of character things for the story’s sake? No. For Season 10 snd the bore thst it was for me personally (though that potentially had something to do with pressure that came from Singer)? No. All in all. I think he’d be capable of ruining a revival, but something tells me he isn’t particularly interested and they guys may not be that ready to chose him, either (purely just my gut).

Robert Singer - No. I believe he interfered with Gamble and Carver’s plans; I just don’t know to what extent. And worst of all, he did nothing to help steer Dabb away from the mess that was much of Seasons 12 to 15. Also, he’d probably bring Buck-Lemming with him. And can I just say a big, “Fuck no,” to that.

Again, all of this is just me rambling. I have no real idea how likely any of them would be to come back for a revival. And I also don’t know how much J2 would want any of them to run a revival, or whether they’d want to just get someone new who might be more likely to listen to their ideas. I don’t even know if J2 would have an easy time agreeing on who would make a good show runner from that list because I think they might not even agree on who they considered to be better writers, or be better candidates to showrunner. For example, I think Jared might be more enthusiastic about Gamble than Jensen would. And Jensen would probably welcome Singer more than Jared would. Again, I don’t know any of this for certain, but it just my impression based off of things they’ve said over the years.

If a revival happens what do I want?

First, it sounds to me like if there is one, J2 want to be a big part of it with Sam and Dean as central focus. This is what I would want. I watched the show for them. I stuck it out through the rough seasons for them. The only way I would watch a revival was if it heavily featured both Sam and Dean. Second, I think I would enjoy if they did a revival during the years (according to J2) between Episodes 19 snd 20. I would like this because it would make the likelihood of angel or demon interference minimal. And this would be the more likely scenario for us to get a more old-school creature hunting revival. We could still see Jody and co for those who care about that. There would be no need for Cas or Jack to show up, which I would prefer. Yet, it would be easy enough for them to make a brief appearance if J2 wanted to pander in that way. Also, I’m so very sick of Angel BS, and this seems like the best way to avoid it. Third, I could be interested in a bit of a prequel with John and the boys, if they could find a way to include J2 without making it convoluted and pointless. Finally, if they come back from heaven for some reason, I think it would be hard for the revival to have much in the way of stakes. And I really wouldn’t want a huge dose of Cas, which we’d potentially have in that case.

Anyway, here are my thoughts on the potential revival, thoughts thst no one asked for admittedly. Lol.

If anyone read this far, what are your thoughts on a revival. If it happens, who should run it and what would you want to see happen?