#iwtv fandom wank

[redwinedulac]

some takes i see are so dismissive when it comes to jacob and his iwtv opinions saying he’s biased or he only cares about loustat when that doesn’t even make sense and also…. who cares if he does? is he not supposed to favor things on the show he’s apart of?

what’s funny is you all will say he has “lestat worms for brains” when has never outright said he loves lestat or that he’s even a fan of him—he just loves loustat and their fucked up dynamic. what he HAS said is black characters shouldn’t be treated as a monolith and he’s gotten “icy” with sam over referring to louis as a liar so clearly he is a louis stan first and a shipper second.

many of you who claim to care about louis only seem to care about his ships so don’t speak on jacob. thnks x

[nalyra-dreaming]

Hi, I hope you are doing well. There is one thing I don't understand before getting into an argument. Basically, some people have made the show about race (which respectfully is their opinion). What I don't get is if the trial went the same even when Louis' character was white?!. If so, I don't get why people hate on others because they like Lestat and accuse them of being racist and supportive of domestic violence. THIS IS A SHOW ABOUT VAMPIRES WHO DON'T GIVE A SINGLE FVCK ABOUT RACE!!!!! Madaline was white, and she got the same fate as them, like make it make sense ffs. Also, it is not a moral show; it is about monsters who drain people for fun, so let people like who tf they want to!. Another point is that there is not one single healthy relationship in that show so what? Are we all supportive of domestic violence?!.

Let‘s just let Delainey answer that one:

They did not make it about that. But she can see how it could be construed.

@virginiaisforvampires made a very good post on all of this the other day, you can read it here:

Ultimately this is a show about vampires, and the meta level of addressing racism is definitely there, but they… make a show about vampires.

And the rest is fandom interpretation. And nothing more.

[chicalepidopterareblogs]

Ppl on twitter already making PSAs against Marius and praying they don't cast someone hot. This is so embarrassing

[indelicateink]

been thinking a lot lately about IWTV's shifting POVs and "memory is a monster" as a foundation of the show, now and going forward.

bc storytelling-wise/audience-wise it's an interesting exercise in trust--and i'm curious to see how this exercise plays out: if can i remain emotionally invested if the property refuses to commit to the veracity of anyone's version of events?

if something devastating happens in the plot and I take that to heart for two years, and then they go back on it and i have to sit with that fallout, do I eventually become numbed to the ups and downs of the story? is it the-boy-who-cried-wolf heartbreak?

--genuine questions, I don't know the answer. I love the show. and people having conflicting POV about events is just life.

but as a storytelling conceit, it's interesting? Rashōmon was a movie of an hour and thirty minutes. IWTV is years (knock wood) of television. I adore the idea of uncertainty, but I am curious if I can sustain emotional investment if emotional beats, important facts, will all be ambiguous; if the default is to be on edge for the "gotcha" wet finger in my ear lol. i'm still game to find out.

[armands-cuck-chair]

Ship wars are stupid, just make everyone polyamorous and enjoy peace.

[clairelutra]

"Interrogating the text from the wrong perspective" — Anne Rice, 2004

nobody goes off like anne rice anymore. nobody.

(source)

[redwinedulac]

after surviving the hell that was the got fandom where people would ask him to his face about his genitalia or not even refer to him by his name, it pains me to know that jacob is once again apart of a show with a disgusting fandom and this time as the LEAD.

the way he feels such genuine comfort and love on set is how he should feel from the fandom as well and the key word here is: genuine. he doesn’t know what these people really think about him. these people have met him at events, WENT TO HIS CONCERT, smiled in his face, and each time it was more to fulfill their lestat fantasies (because he is treated as an extension of sam) without actual care and reverence for him.

during his concert fans on twt were right to call out the audacity of throwing the tvl shirt on stage (which was done by these exact racist plantation fans btw). and whether he smiled about it or not it was HIS concert, a raleigh ritchie concert, and some of his music-only fans didn’t even know the lestat reference in the first place. jacob has separated his music and acting for a reason and he shouldn’t be pigeonholed into a box by fans. people who complained were silenced and written off as being “jealous” and “fandom drama” when it’s like… it literally was not an iwtv event? why is it some inconceivable want regulated to a “woke” notion that people would ask for JACOB’S TIME to be his time? it was his first major concert in about 5 fucking years?

honestly, i really don’t think it’s too much to push for amc to not allow these people around him anymore? these people use him to boost their online clout and engagement and simultaneously dismissed the antiblackness towards him and louis for years and now that it’s finally caught up to them we have the fake notes apologies, “i didn’t know about slavery i’m european” and all the bullshit we’ve seen before.

for season 3 amc really needs to go back to keeping things professional between journalists and the cast, (and vet these journalists btw because some of them are also side-eye worthy) close the sets, and protect the cast. the lack of any type of boundaries during season 2 is how we have gotten to this point. sigh.

[hey-its-sybarite]

Hi! Welcome to Anne Rice’s House of Pain! How much pain would you like?

Hey. Yeah. I’d like a good role model character. A real moral paragon, you know?

I’m sorry, we only serve pain.

Moral characters have pain! They suffer!

I’m sorry it’s a no-substitution menu. We don’t have any moral paragons in stock. We only serve pain. But we do have all varieties of that, even different serving sizes!

Oh… I guess just a small pain then?

Sure, would you like that gothic style?

What’s in the gothic style?

Violence, sexual abuse, the threat of violence and sexual abuse, intergenerational family trauma, feminism, weird nature, weird houses, race relations, ghosts, curses, secrets, incest, really awful parenting, isolation, ableism, disease, betrayal, self-loathing and death.

That sounds very painful :(

Well, we like to do our best here at Anne Rice’s house of Pain :)

Ok, I’ll have the - what’s your smallest portion again?

The weekly, it’s very popular.

Ok I’ll have a weekly, gothic style please.

Sure thing, coming right up!

***

Here you go, one weekly portion, gothic style. It comes with a free Coke too.

What the hell is that?!

It’s your order?

It disgusts me. You people disgust me!

But I told you what was in it?

Everyone is sad! Nothing is pure!

And it’s piping hot too!

It’s nothing to be proud of. You should be ashamed for serving this pain. You should be ashamed for liking it and making it!

But… you came here, to the House of Pain. And you ordered the pain?

I thought you’d be a better person about it and spare me somehow. Oh ew that is so gross. And very un-pc. You know that right?I’m leaving before I see something worse. And I’m telling everyone I know how awful you are!

Ok... so I shouldn’t reserve this table for the same time next week?

I guess I can give you another chance. I’m really looking forward to all the absolution I’m going to consume next week. It better be good! Tell your chef to act right.

[aryastark-valarmorghulis]

Some people have very bad takes which, okay, it happens, no big deal, but some people are racially illiterate at best. Ageist, too.

[nalyra-dreaming]

I can understand why people are mad, imagine if him or Sam talked like that of Loustat it would be a punch on my face or Sam was dismissive of Nickistat i'm sure a lot of fans would start rioting

Imagine being told again and again that Loustat are endgame and fans just ignoring that to make up their own fantasy Loumand relationship in their heads and then being mad at the actors for actually speaking their minds when/bc it doesn’t match that fantasy.

[crazykuroneko]

idk why some people are still fighting with tooth and nail over "theories" when season 1 isn't even half of the "whole truth" of the past.

Thee Whole Truth = (louis' account + claudia's account via diaries + lestat's account) - (untold lestat's account**** + editorializing of claudia's diaries + louis' perspective bias because he's not informed enough in the past* + whatever the heck is happening with louis' memories** that allows him to even put words into someone else's mouth***)

(*) mostly thanks to lestat's witholding information about the nature of vampires and their seemingly lack of communication

(**) might be affected by all kinds of influences, from guilt, repressed memories due to trauma, armand being armand, or maybe just maybe louis really wants to provoke "someone" there. tl;dr louis can be wrong and not lying at the same time

(**) see: episode 7 when claudia refusing to burn lestat. we don't have any idea how many times it happened during the retelling

(****) ofc when lestat telling his own account, there will be more negatives added to the equation there. he def has perspective bias since he came from a very different background than the other two. and we still don't know the purpose of him telling his story in the show yet

i mean, this show is made to theorize about. the writers are aware fans paying attention to the littlest details (confirmed by their answer to @immortal_daily). but theorizing, writing metas should be a fun activity. and on top of that, as i said above, in this point of the story in the show, we can not make an informed conclusion about a lot of things. which is why i keep saying season 2 is very important, not only to reveal what's true/false from s1, but it will also tell us how the series will go in the future: what are the vampire lores they'll use, how much they will take from the books, basically the overall tone of the whole series. so idk, keep an open mind maybe? and not attacking people just because they have different theories? and don't depend on other people's theories to make your own conclusion? 🤷‍♀️

[riverriosquared]

this is just a week where I’ve got nothing but wanky opinions. they’re putting ao3 links to unlocked rpf on Elon Musk’s twitter (i know he’s gaming the view count on tweets but still. ahahaha oh man. thousands of views on a couple of those tweets.)

I am not the boss of anyone but: what if we didn’t do that.

(I am not opposed to rpf in general and I understand that everyone is a little high off the new cast interviews but this stresses me out. rpf is fun! I’m not even saying anyone should have to lock their rpf! but my firm opinion is the subjects of rpf should ideally never be in a position to come across it. yes even if they’re aware of the general concept.)

[asgardian--angels]

anyway I am absolutely going to have to stay off of social media from tomorrow evening onwards because I won't be able to watch the episode until Sunday night and this is one episode I absolutely do not want to see spoilers for lmao

[redwinedulac]

this! and some of you don’t realize how homophobic you sound when “defending” sam’s supposed straight fragility. he has never confirmed or denied his sexuality and who tf cares what he identifies as??? what sam cares about is how people view his performance and a lot of you were being psychopathic in 2022 calling him an abuser and racist and that’s what bothered him.

i find it very weird that you lot get so mad at queer people making jokes (most queers of color btw) that you as a white person have to subject everyone to listening to your whiny voice note where you’re inches from calling the cops. it’s giving racism and giving karen cos why are you having such a visceral reaction that people DARE say the white man you’re attracted to might be attracted to his beautiful black co-star???

i promise sam does not give a fuck if people think he’s bi or not. he doesn’t have an ego like most of you and pal don’t think for one second that you’re respecting him or his privacy by being a hypocrite and projecting all YOUR THOUGHTS onto him. just shut the hell up.

[bivampir]

amc mayfair witches' marketing team adding mayfair witches podcast on top of iwtv podcast and posting tweets that put iwtv down to make mw look better on their joined instagram account makes them look genuinely fucking embarrassing. how little faith they have for mw to stand on its own. iwtv and mw are very different shows, with difference in style, plot, themes, general tone and aesthetics of those show are nothing alike. they don't pander to the same demographic, and YET. amc didn't even TRY to let mayfair be it's own thing, and intead it makes them look soooooo desperate to "trick" iwtv fans to watch mayfair witches, doing a huge disservice to both shows.