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Apparently the theme of the past two days has been gut wrenching apologies. Because I watched the Helluva Boss "Apology Tour" last night. And decided to follow that with what was indisputably a worse apology tour from Lestat de Lioncourt. They were both beautifully done episodes. But I was left feeling empty after both. Both about the loss of love. However while "Apology Tour" felt salvageable, "I Could Not Prevent It" did not. There is no coming back from that. There is only trying to heal. Knowing you will always have a hole in your heart for what happened. Lestat will never recover, Louis will never recover, and Armand will never recover. Their knarled triplicate of love and loneliness. With poor Claudia as the victim caught in the crosshairs once again. I knew what was coming and yet the way the show tackled that storyline was....
I usually love rewatching the episodes to analyze things said and background and lies told. But I don't know if I'll be able to watch that one again. At least not for a very long while.
#helluva boss#apology tour#helluva boss spoilers#i didn't really mention anything specific about the episode but jic#interview with the vampire#amc iwtv#amc iwtv spoilers#again aside from character mentions. i didn't speak on anything specific from the episode#but just in case you're not caught up on at least the last two eps#lestat de lioncourt#verosika mayday#louis de pointe du lac#blitzo#the vampire armand#stolas#it's not until typing it out did i realize how truly paralleled those episodes were#lestat being louis' ex who everyone loves but he fell in love with louis hoping he especially could love him back#louis believing if he keeps everyone at a distance he won't ever have to feel again because the abandonment from his family destroyed him#armand being this all powerful ancient who just wants someone to love him#except in interview it was lestat doing the apologizing not louis#original post#contact khy
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Love is a powerful force.
The love between friends, family, partners. And most importantly, the love one has for themselves. In the SMG4 show, this is no different. Iāve touched on this back in my āONCE UPON A į¹Ģ·Ģ±EĢ“ĢŗĢ½RĢµĢĢĢFĢµĢ¢ĢĢĢĢEĢ“ĢĢCĢ“ĶĢ½TĢ¶ĶĢĢĢ SMG4ā theory. In IGBP, Boopkins said this:
āLove wins! Love always wins!ā
[āItās Gotta Be Perfectā // timestamp 28:56]
He wasnāt wrong. The countless enemies the Crew has encountered, all were resolved one way or another through the power of love. No one ever said love didnāt come at a price.
The good guys indeed win, but not without sacrifice. They kept their promise, but not without loss.
However, despite everything, love always remained.
A connection bounded by love is delicate. It can either make itself stronger or it could break.
For our returning character, Marty, his connection with Mario was broken due to a one-sided betrayal. As I also discussed in my āWOTFI 2024 Predictionsā, Marty would take his revenge on Mario in WOTFI 2024. Ever since his debut, Marty has been overworking and feeling underappreciated. Underestimated. The only ally he had was Mario. That was until Mario, his own creator, abandoned him for a plate of spaghetti. And that is who Marty will go against.
There is one more taking his revenge on the crew: Mr Puzzles. As seen at the end of The Meme Factory Arc, Mr Puzzles swore that he would be back and indeed did in āSMG4: Inside Outā. Well, at least that was how it was. With the current episodes coming out, some people were confused about why this wasnāt mentioned again.
The truth, my dear fellows, is that his plan has already started and we didnāt even realize it.
Follow me as I discuss the parallels between previous arcs, a callback to narrative foils, and most importantly: a sequelā¦
PUZZLEVISION 2: NOW AIRING
ā ļø DISCLAIMER IN INTRO POST ā ļø
āThe worst of times are when you have to force your biggest smilesā¦ā
Iāve made many theories on SMG4, a few now posted on Tumblr. However, this was the actual first theory I came up with, not āONCE UPON A į¹Ģ·Ģ±EĢ“ĢŗĢ½RĢµĢĢĢFĢµĢ¢ĢĢĢĢEĢ“ĢĢCĢ“ĶĢ½TĢ¶ĶĢĢĢ SMG4ā. It all started back after the Puzzlevision arc ended when, out of pure curiosity, I decided to check out the PV website. It was mostly to see if it was still up and, to my surprise, it was. Not only that but it was replaced with a whole new image.
If Gravity Falls taught me anything, itās that something never truly ended.
Ever since then, every Wednesday and Saturday, I would check back at the website to see if there was any change. It seemed like my efforts were worth it because, on one of those days, the image became a GIF. I unfortunately wasnāt able to capture it to show but I know Iām not the only one who has seen this. All I could offer instead is thisā¦
Back when it was still the PV arc, there was a moment when you could save a PNG of Mr Puzzles, and every time it did, it would show a message.
āDownloading me is pretty rudeā (correct me if Iām wrong) ā Marioās Mysteries āStill pretty rude of youā ā Once Upon an SMG4 āYou donāt seem to listen, do you?ā ā Scooby Mario, Where'd You Go! āHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAā ā Mr. Puzzles' Incredible Game Show Spectacular!
Now, when you save the image this is what comes up:
āNow Airingā
And if you look closer, the file type is also there [gif-to-webp]
The term "Now Airing" is obviously used when a program is currently on the airing schedule of the channel. The people behind SMG4 didnāt need to put this image in, they didnāt need to keep this website on. But they did.
"That's All Folks!" Yeah, right. Nice try.
Looks like this website is about to come back to life, and a new game is afoot.
WOTFI 2024
In my āWOTFI 2024 Predictionsā, Iāve picked apart the episode āWe Must Kill Marioā and how it would relate to this yearās WOTFI.
Iāve intentionally left some details/questions out from the post. The biggest example being Martyās speech. It stuck out for me when I first heard it, it was way too specific and way too familiar.
āThe one person I trusted the most has left me behind forā¦ SPAGHETTI! Now Iāve escaped! ā¦And it's time forā¦ everyone to suffer like I have! At the handsā¦ of the one thing YOU love the MOST.ā
Then I realized why: the Meme Factory mini-arc.
Mr Puzzles never had friends growing up, itās what got him obsessed with television. It was also the core motive to creating the perfect show, that any kid who is just like he was wonāt be alone anymore. Of course, he got defeated by the SMG4 crew.
In the mini-arc, Mr Puzzles and Leggy went through the Meme Factory so he could have power again. For the first time, he got to experience what was like to have a friend. While he initially wanted to do this on his own, he had Leggy as part of it. That was until the Crew beat him once again, turning Leggy back into Meggy. This was different, this truly did hurt.
Because whatās worse than having no friends? Itās to be betrayed by someone who you thought was your friend. And the SMG4 crew was to blame for it. Now with the Marty speech, it applies to him:
āThe one person I trusted the most has left me behind forā¦ them! Now Iāve returned! ā¦And it's time forā¦ everyone to suffer like I have! At the handsā¦ of the one thing YOU love the MOST.ā
If that's so, then what is the 'one thing'?
Well, with spaghetti going from Marioās one true love to becoming poison, itās only logical that Mr Puzzles would turn someone from the Crew to go against them. A friend that would destroy their friendships. And he already had the perfect choice:
āAnd SMG4, who knew you could play an antagonist so well! High marks from me.ā
[Puzzlevision]
When Mr Puzzles returned in āSMG4: Inside Outā, he latched onto Fourās mind and took over. For what purposes, we donāt know. Yet. But the Crew would have to save Four once again.
But Four isnāt showing any signs of control or possession?
No, but it doesnāt mean Mr Puzzles isnāt working behind the scenes, watching over Fourās every move.
Back in āWe Must Kill Marioā, when Karenās kids were flipping over the videos on the SMG4 channel, they stopped and jumped for joy at āMarioās Mysteriesā. A Puzzlevision episode.
Later on, when Marty revealed his motive behind his poisonous spaghetti sauce and declared that he was going to come back when he escaped from Karen, it left many questions:
How did he escape from jail?
Who is driving the helicopter?
How did he even get inside the house?
We can assume. But to know in absolute, no.
After Marty escapes, Karen thanks Four and Mario for keeping her kids safe, saying:
āI owe you one.ā
Now, I did say that this could mean that Karen could have a big role in WOTFI ā24 where she will finish the job. But it also could be interpreted in another way.
You saved my kids, but now let me help save your life, SMG4.
If Mr Puzzles is really working behind the curtain, then it would turn out that, as of right now, two arcs are happening simultaneously.
And this wouldnāt be the first time.
WESTERN SPAGHETTI & WOTFI 2023
Letās rewind to Martyās debut episode, āSMG4: Mario is Fineā when, just as any other episode, a wacky adventure with Mario. Except for the very end, when the episode ends with an ominous close-up of Marty, clearly implying that there is more than what meets the eye. For the rest of the episodes, it went along like this:
[Martyās debut]
Martyās strange and subtle appearances (he was just standing there)
the Western Spaghetti arc
Martyās even stranger appearances that none of the crew took seriously (like the interrogation scene with Shroomy in 'SMG4: SMG4 Kids')
WOTFI 2023 (the Notebook arc)
It starting to parallel to episodes we currently have:
Mr Puzzlesā Return (āSMG4: Inside Outā)
His sudden appearances like 'Mario Lost His M(o)ustache'
(+ perhaps future subtle hints that something is wrong with Four)
WOTFI 2024
"something is really wrong with Four" moments
Puzzlevision 2
Structure-wise, it is similar. But with Four involuntarily along for the ride, this makes things more complex character and lore-wise. Hmm, curiousā¦
Possession, power, perfection.
Do any of these words ring a bell?
ā¦I think itās time to revisit an old enemy of the SMG4 crew, one achieved far greater than anyone of us couldāve imagined.
To create the perfect universe.
GENESIS & REVELATIONS: THE INFAMOUS TWO-PARTER
Before I called this "Puzzlevision 2: Now Airing", this was the "Reverse Genesis" theory because I saw how Genesis and Puzzlevision were really similar. Genesis had Revelations right after, so I suspected that Puzzlevision would have a sequel of sorts. Let me explain:
GENESIS
āļø Initial Motive
Zero, a virus from a different universe. He traveled from universe to universe, destroying them by killing their corresponding avatars.
Zero had the power to convert Mario into his new Avatar and a new universe. He was close to completing the process until the SMG4 crew intervened.
āļø Zero's Defeat
The Crew worked together to save Mario. Three and Four were able to use their guardian powers to transfer meme energy to Mario.
Axol sacrificed himself to save everyone and defeat Zero (but didnāt outright kill Zero).
REVELATIONS
āļø True Form
It turns out that Zero is two people: SMG0 and Niles.
SMG0 wanted things to go back to the way they were when the memes were getting corrupted > Niles and the creation of the meme cycle > Niles getting obsessed with the idea of a perfect universe.
He returns in Revelations to carry out his plan, carrying a grudge for the other Meme Guardians.
We see Zeroās true appearance, the one without Axol's physical features.
āļø Controlling the Most Vulnerable
Nine latched onto Melony, who was grieving over Axolās death.
He used Melony to learn her god powers so he could use her to get to the God Box and reunite with SMG0.
āļø The Drawing
Melony drew a picture of her and Axol a week after WOTFI ended.
In her mindscape, Niles impersonating Axol ridiculed Melony for not being strong enough and for hanging on to Axol, ripping her drawing.
Melony fought back, claiming how their friendship gave her strength and it would be the same thing that she'd use to end Niles.
āļø Round Two: The End
Another fight against Zero in his true form, back to where it all started: the God Box.
Zero finally gets defeated, being killed in the explosion, allowing SMG0 and Niles to move on.
āļø A Sacrifice
Terrance was sacrificed to save everyone before the God Box gets blown up.
PUZZLEVISION
āļø Initial Motive
As I already mentioned, Mr Puzzles didn't have friends growing up and got obsessed with TV.
He wanted to be on TV and tried to achieve 5 stars with his streaming service, Puzzlevision.
He managed to get them and create the perfect show where the audience gets to be involved. At least, for a moment.
āļø Mr Puzzles' Defeat
While he managed to get 4.5 stars with 5 episodes, the Crew beat him with 5.5 stars within an hour special.
Mr Puzzles received a final but non-fatal blow from SMG4.
Technically, Luigi sacrificed himself by taking the hit from Mr Puzzles instead of the Crew. But no one really died.
NOW AIRING
[We're entering the predictions part of this theory, let's go:]
āļø True Form
Due to the Meme Factory arc, he is motivated more than ever to crush the SMG4 crew.
PREDICTION: he might show this true self(?), one where we see his body mingled in wires and metal
āļø Controlling the Most Vulnerable
Mr Puzzles has three choices regarding who to control:
Meggy ā Tortured in āWestern Spaghettiā, was friends with him when she was āLeggyā
Four ā Possessed in āItās Gotta Be Perfectā, terrified that another IGBP incident would happen, a perfect narrative foil to Mr Puzzles and the most likely choice.
Three ā Notebook stolen for WOTFI 2024, has the most to lose (his cafĆ©, friends, domestic life, etc), and able to emotionally manipulate.
āļø The Drawing
Just like Melony, Three drew him and Four in his notebook after WOTFI. The only difference is that her page is more open and seen whereas his notebook is personal and secretive.
This drawing will come into play whether Controlled!4 or Mr Puzzles find it and ridicule him for being soft, ripping it even.
OR
Three would use it as proof to Four that Three really cared about him, that as much as he denies it and play it off like they aren't, they're friends. What he said when they were in the pit wasn't out of desperation to save himself. He meant it.
āļø Round Two: The End
Final Battle with Mr Puzzles, perhaps this time being his final goodbye.
āļø A Sacrifice
As mentioned in my āONCE UPON A į¹Ģ·Ģ±EĢ“ĢŗĢ½RĢµĢĢĢFĢµĢ¢ĢĢĢĢEĢ“ĢĢCĢ“ĶĢ½TĢ¶ĶĢĢĢ SMG4' theory, someone may be sacrificed. A character doesnāt necessarily have to die, it could just be a fake death, which leaves us with several options:
Three ā to show that he does care.
Four ā feel guilty for being a āvillainā again, so he would have to take Mr Puzzles down himself. Turning Mr Puzzles own weapon against him.
Pedro ā Yes, Pedro of all characters. From his first appearance, it's likely that he's not going to come back. But then again, narrative foils. Pedro was created to be a funny man for Mr Puzzles (Pedro was able to still remain funny by the end) meanwhile Marty was created to take over the pizza shop for Mario (constantly being underappreciated and underestimated). If he doesnāt sacrifice himself to save Mario in WOTFI '24, then it would be here.
Another meme like in Revelations (please not the children please not the children please not the children)
ROLLING DOWNWARDS
With all of these arc parallels and Four's mind being invaded by Mr Puzzles, there would have to be hints about something being wrong with Four. Well, there kind of was. There are a few ways that I could think of that Mr Puzzles could use Four:
Man on the Inside
In 'Mario Lost His M(o)ustache', Mr Puzzles overhears Threeās idea to rig the votes, stopping the idea from even happening. Of course, it could be that they were right next to him, and/or they were loud. That was what I initially thought. But it could also be that Four at this point is still under his control. Four could be acting as his eyes and ears when he isn't near, unintentionally becoming a spy for Mr Puzzles.
(Those familiar with Sonic X and the Cosmo Arc, yeah, it's like that.)
Mr Puzzles could listen to every conversation, every detail. And he would know if the Crew is plotting something to get rid of him for good.
2. "Tear Themselves Apart"
Another thing I left out of my WOTFI '24 Predictions was that Mr Puzzles could speak for SMG4, interfering with Four's thoughts to make him say what Mr Puzzles wants him to say. A script of sorts.
Being in Four's mind gives him a huge advantage: Mr Puzzles has access to all of Four's memories. For one, Mr Puzzles could find out about the cosmology lore and all of the Crew's adventures.
Second: Mr Puzzles could interfere with his memories and change them. He could make Four forget about stuff.
Third: Mr Puzzles could go through and pick out what makes each member of the crew tick, making Four do all the talking for him. For example, he could bring up Desti for Meggy, Terrance/the Youtube Arc for Three, etc. Mr Puzzles wouldn't have to even lift up a finger when they can tear themselves apart.
If I wrote it: I would have Controlled!4 namedropping someone from their traumatic past or bringing out their insecurities in a passive-aggressive manner. Basically, like the examples I gave. And every one of them would start to leave the crew, hanging out less and less at the castle. SMG3 would be the last one Controlled!4 would break. I imagine them getting into a heated argument that becomes way too personal, something along the lines of:
Four?: ļæ½ļæ½Dude, you fell off. Youāve gotten soft. Domestic even. And where did that get you? Oh, thatās rightā¦ Terrance.ā Three, offended: "Don't you dare bring him into this!" Four?: "Hmph. Oh, yeah? What about Eggdog? Face it, SMG3, you'll always end up alone." Three: "Did what I told you at the pit meant nothing to you?" Four?: "Like I would ever believe you! You just didn't want to die. Even if you aren't a villain anymore, you are still a selfish piece of shit. Still comparing yourself to me, ha. I don't get why you would even try, you'll always be second best."
Then, Mr Puzzles, talking through Four, would slip up. Mr Puzzles would be more interested in finding all the Crew's weaknesses so any detail that wasn't part of it was skipped over. It wasn't like it was important, is what he thought. But for Three, it was everything he needed to know,
This isnāt the real Four.
Three, smirking: "Oh, so this was your big plan? I would've come up with something better than that. I guess we meet again, Mr Puzzles."
3. What if: the demonic goop is still in Four...
āOh, SMG4! It never left.ā
It would be a sort of Venom situation that, even if you tried to get rid of the parasite, some of it still remains. [insert spider-man 2 black suit theme]
During the Meme Factory arc and in several episodes, his strange behavior from IGBP came back. At times, scenes looked incredibly identical.
[........Announcement?????? // I Put Mario In Danger For Views]
Could it be bad writing? Likely. But the fact that IGBP was referenced once again for this arc, everything has to be put into consideration.
If it is confirmed that the demonic goop is still inside Four, Mr Puzzles will use it to his advantage. After all, it did work the first time in IGBP, so why not again? Not only that but it also gives him a bonus advantage, he could be working on his plan in two places at once and none of the crew would notice, thinking that they already got rid of it. It has a lot of potential to bring back the keyboard, the goop, the pit, the USB with the perfect video, and even Peach.
And if we are acting like it's a Venom situation, then maybe we could have the goop have a voice on its own. Could you imagine a "We are Venom" moment, that would be sick! (sorry, I'm just a spider-man fan.)
HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT
What else could happen in Puzzlevision 2?
It may be a bit too early to call since we still have to go through WOTFI. However, knowing me, that doesn't stop me from trying. For that, we have to dive into some semiology.
Thatās right, weāre going in the deep end here.
Letās head back to a familiar arc:
It's Gotta Be Perfect
While I was going over the movie for these past theories, I remembered something that piqued my curiosity.
The goop itself.
As someone who is into mythology, I spotted some familiar symbols and I've decided to give you an insight into what they are and explain why they were one of the top-tier design choices of the show.
Let's start with this one:
The Eye of God
You probably have seen this before. This is as its name states, the eye of God.
It's also known as the All-Seeing Eye because, according to Christianity, no matter what you do to hide your sins, God would see it. He sees all.
The symbol consists of an eye in the middle of a triangle. The triangle represents the Trinity (Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit). Because of this, this symbol is used for protection.
It is also similar to the Evil Eye symbol, where it's a circle instead of a triangle. This one is to ward off evil spirits/energy. (I actually have one of these myself.)
Secret societies use the symbol for other reasons: for power, wisdom, and control.
Well, yes. It would make sense why it would be in IGBP. Four's audience watches his every move and no matter what secret he has, they will pick up on it. But the symbol is also used in a negative connotation; the keyboard and Mr Puzzles use their power to control Four.
The Eye of God is also known to be the 'Third Eye', which God uses to put judgment on the people. On a human face, our third eye would be in the middle of the forehead.
And where on Four exactly did Mr Puzzles take control of?
That's right, in his mind, near where the third eye would have been.
Now, onto the next one:
The Eye of Horus
In Egyptian mythology, there are two eyes, both from deities, that are considered sacred. One of them is the Eye of Horus from, you guessed it, the sky god Horus. His left eye, to be precise.
Symbol representations include: protection, wisdom, good well-being and health, re-establishment of order from chaos, and the moon.
The eye is used as a form of measurement for pigments and medicines. We'll get to that.
Two myths connect to this symbol:
In a fierce battle between Seth (the god of deserts, storms, disorder, violence, and foreigners) and Horus, Horus got his eyes ripped out. Thoth (the god of writing and secret knowledge) helps him restore them back to where they belong, becoming a symbol of life and restoration.
The eye itself can be divided into 6 pieces, each one representing the six senses (smell, sight, thought, hearing, taste, and touch) and a specific numerical fraction. Think of it as a measuring spoon. But if you put the pieces together, the fractions don't add up to a whole. Some suspect that it was because of the magic Thoth used to restore the eye. Some say it represents the fact that perfection isn't possible.
Perfection isn't possible, that is exactly what was said in IGBP. I went frame and frame to see if this eye was flipped in any way (due to it being a texture pattern). But, nope, it stayed exactly this way. This will come back in some way in PV2, especially if the whole "the goop is still inside him" theory comes true.
PREDICTION: by the end of Puzzlevision 2, something will change about Fourās left eye (heterochromia, blind, etc.)
Still don't think it is relevant? I present to you this frame:
His left eye is within the corruption of the goop.
To the fans who had this as a headcanon, congrats on predicting this somehow!
Now, let's not mistake the Eye of Horus for the other important eye:
The Eye of Ra
While the two eyes are similar, the Eye of Ra, the right eye, is different in terms of appearance and purposes.
Symbol representations include: power, violence, fury, and the sun.
The eye is the embodiment of his daughter, Sekhmet.
Pharaohs would adorn them as amulets as a form of protection against their enemies, usually painted with a dark red. It must be handled with care because its power can easily get out of control.
Similarly to God's Third Eye, the Eye also obtains information from what it sees.
A little fact about this god: Ra places a solar disk on the top of his crown aka his head.
Again, there is a myth linked to this:
Ra was becoming old and weak, making him vulnerable. That made the people of his kingdom disrespect him, they ignored his laws and instructions. They basically made fun of him. Furious, he set his daughter (Sekhmet) to punish anyone who did this. The lion's eye, Sekhmet, went on a rampage, her roars so powerful that they conjured diseases. This killed millions of people. When Ra saw the devastation she caused, he tried to call her back to his side. She ignored him and continued on. Blood-thirsty, literally. Without a choice, he tricked her into getting drunk by using a mix of beer and pomegranate juice. She passed out for a few days and afterward, she calmed down. It wasn't all bad as the priests who worshipped her were able to create new medicines. Without her, there wouldn't be medical advancements, naming her the goddess of medicine.
What does this have to do with the SMG4 show?
Narrative foils are a constant in the show, especially in arcs. Two sides, complete opposites, are more similar than they ever realize.
Three versus Four in IGBP
Meggy versus Wren in Western Spaghetti
Four and Three versus Mario and Marty in WOTFI 2023
and of course, Four's crew versus Mr Puzzles
Then, who would be the Eye of Ra to Four's Eye of Horus?
It's Mr Puzzles.
Mr Puzzles and Four are indeed different but they are also really similar with one thing: they want to keep their audience happy. What makes them different is that Mr Puzzles sets himself is high standard for the sake of being popular while Four does it for the sake of his audience.
Just as Ra places his solar disk, Mr Puzzles got rid of his head and placed a TV, a luminous object, in its place. His obsession became his identity.
From the Meme Factory arc, Mr Puzzles swore revenge on the SMG4 crew after they disrespected him. That he seemed like a laughing stock.
But we haven't seen the Eye of Ra anywhere in the show. Unlike Four, Mr Puzzles doesn't face a humanoid face anymore. How could he have the Eye when his face is just pixelated screen?
Actually, he does and we saw it ourselves.
I present to you this from the Puzzlevision arc:
In the most human we have seen of him, we can see his right eye. Not only that, it's almond-shaped, the same shape as the Eye.
That is why one of my predictions was that we might see his 'true self'.
Am I reading too much into this? Yes. But if they were able to put the name "SMG4" into the castle door frame design, I would think twice about these design choices. This fits just perfectly right.
THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN PV2:
Signs of Controlled!4
If the whole āhe still had the demonic goop inside of himā is true, then Fourās pink scars might return.
Even better, I want to see Four already having scars from the incident, hidden under his glove and sleeve.
If not scars, then they could show his change through his wardrobe. I mean look at them:
All Four needed was some suspenders, a hat, add in a puzzle piece pattern, and they're basically twinning. Give my guy a new outfit, please!!! Hell, give him a mask even!
Meggy talks to Mr Puzzles
She confronts him for the last time, telling him that she understands where Mr Puzzles is coming from but it should give him an excuse to do what he did. Mr Puzzles will have to see that, regardless if the show's going to give him a redemption arc or not.
Threeās Part of the Crew
Three tells the Crew that they are his friends. Probably it slipped out or he did it on purpose. Either way, he meant it.
Three would confirm to Four that theyāre friends. As much as it was Three denies it or acts very tsundre about it, he meant what he said in the pit back in IGBP.
BONUS: Three promises Controlled?4 that he would take them home. (She-Ra moment OMG!)
Mr Puzzlesā True Form Prediction
With the power he has left, heās going all out, revealing his body mingled with wires and pieces of metal.
Cosmology Lore Returns
Before the battle, the Crew would have to gear up. Three might return to the Meme Factory to get as many memes as possibly could, using the Meme PokƩBalls. He urges Eggdog to stay home.
At the battle and Four is saved from possession, Three and Four use their meme guardian powers to defeat Mr Puzzles. Add in the WOTFI 2020 tracks and the crowd goes wild!
(For those who were in the Owl House fandom, it would be a 'GROM' moment!)
Reprise of the Song āCreative Controlā
Originally, it was about how Mr Puzzles was willing to do anything to get 5 stars and his perfect show.
Reprise could be about the SMG4 crew fighting back against his control, accepting imperfection.
(sort of how real-life TV show executives put limits on the creative team on what is allowed in the final product.)
SMG4ās Left Eye Prediction
Using the meme powers and/or defeating Mr Puzzles affected Fourās eye.
Pink - a reference to his scars and pigments, matching his āSā logo (also because he looks good in pink).
Blindness ā due to his scars
Marioās āBest Friend Awardā For SMG4
Mario wasnāt able to give his award on MAR10 day or after IGBP.
He has the chance to give it to Four here.
THINGS THAT DEFINITELY ARE NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT COPIUM
SMG4ās Locket
We never got to see who was inside Fourās locket. Who was the person waiting for him back home?
They could bring it back and finally reveal what was inside Fourās locket.
X and FM Return (+ Redesigned Models)
To be fair, itās their choice not to be back, but I would love the Meme Machine(TM) together again.
The Boarded-Up Room & Upper Floors
Finally reveal whatever the hell is that closed-off room in the SMG4 castle.
"...And... This...Well...I'm not sure what's behind this door."
"...uh we don't talk about that room."
[SMG4: The New Castle]
Hey, Four, now is a good time to show it off. C'mon, I wanna see!
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And that is my "Puzzlevision 2: Now Airing" theory and predictions. Undoubtedly, a sequel to Puzzlevision is going to happen. But as to what it is about? We would just have to wait and see if the power of love would be perceived once again. An arc starting from a betrayal.
"ā¦And it's time forā¦ everyone to suffer like I have! At the handsā¦ of the one thing YOU love the MOST.ā
The game is afoot and with that, my dear fellows, we shall see in the next upcoming episode. But, in the meantime, thatās just a theoryā¦
AN SMG4 THEORY
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Part 3 on Karai's arc
Looking closer at Shredder's and Karai's relationship, I am very curious to know what Karai's childhood was like. Was Shredder ever paranoid Karai would find out the truth?I mean the Shredder thought Splinter was dead along with Tang Shen until he saw in the news the Hamato clan ninja stars.
He must've kept Karai on a tight ship, which is why she probably became a rebellious teen. Shredder didn't even know Shinigami's name, Karai's closest friend since childhood, and for all we know, she could've been Karai's only friend, it could've been a secret friendship too. Was Karai even allowed to have friends?
This was probably what Karai's childhood mostly consisted of, which is not what Tang Shen wanted at all. Of course, the Shredder did not respect her wishes, raised Karai so that one day she could take over the Foot Clan, and got really paranoid when he found out Splinter could possibly be alive but at the same time he saw it as a perfect way of revenge. Raising the child of the man you hate and using her against him is truly messed up.
But of course, he's like "finders keepers" and locks her up once she knows the truth. Keep in mind that this is the same man who was the source of parental love for Karai. I think the only other person Karai could've possibly had was Shinigami.
After spending what could be around a month in a cell, I am not surprised Karai said that to Shredder. She had nothing but time to just think how much the Shredder manipulated her, this the man who would lecture her on honor, and here he was lacking it the most.
She was probably questioning if he ever loved, that all those moments of tough love were just him using her as a punching bag and a pawn. Karai's emotional guards were probably on really high alert, and Shredder expressing his emotional pain to her about how she was acting was probably seen as a way to attempt to manipulate her again.
Like I said in a way, I can understand why Karai would go back to finish off the Shredder on her own. For a few reasons, I can see as an attempt for her to regain her honor, avenge her mother, and finally end this conflict. I can believe that maybe Karai thought it should be her to end things, it was her right, and would give her circumstance to say goodbye.
Of course, it was a bad decision that ended up with Karai being mutated. Yes, I see parallelism, "a blow meant for me striked your mother instead." It's like poetry, it rhymes. This should've been a wake-up call for Karai, but it was also something the writer could've used as a great setup for something. But season three is where things start going downhill.
Just before Karai was mutated, Baxter Stockman dropped his version of retromutageon into the snake. A retromutageon that he expressed would not just turn him back human but turn him into a stronger version of his former self. Karai got mutated with it and was given the ability to shape-shift into her human form.
The writers could've done so much with this. For one thing, Karai could've realized what Splinter meant about how vengeance only brings more pain. We could've also had a cool arc where Karai learned how to control her new abilities while also finally processing all the trauma she had from being lied to, to being mutated; i mean I'm pretty sure someone in her circumstance would've gone through an identity crisis. Apparently, mutation is a painful process, and she was dropped in a vat of it.
You're telling me during the episode Serpent Hunt that we barely got a reaction from the others when they finally saw what Karai could do with her mutation. The only one who expressed any visible shock was Mikey?? I know Xever and Bradford should've been like, "This is bullshit" when they saw that.
You're telling me the Kraang weren't the least bit interested in studying that type of mutation? Not even Donnie would want to understand how that works??
And so what is done instead? She is turned into plot devices and a tragic romance for Leo to go through. Leo, who is Splinter's son, and Karai's brother. The writers were so wrong for this.
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TWD, S11-1A Arc Thoughts So far
There be spoilers here kinda sorta, but not really, itās really just a general thinky-thoughts post on the first arc of season 11 of The Walking Dead as its āfinaleā aired on AMC+ the other night.
I generally read takes on The Walking Dead after it airs and since I'm a Caryl fan, I read the takes of their fans. However, I've found myself more and more not agreeing lately with the thoughts of even those I generally do.
The overall consensus appears to be that "nothing has happened" in this first arc. That it's pointless. Carol and Daryl have been separated. Carol/Melissa McBride has barely been on screen and the Reapers are boring and awful, and this whole thing is a complete waste of time. I'm gonna have to have a big ole disagree here. Let me elucidate as to the why.
The Reapers arc is NOT about the Reapers. Carol/MMB not having much screentime sucks now, but I believe there is a reason for that.
Let's take Carol/MMB first. Carol took a lot of unwarranted hate last season. Like A LOT. A lot lot lot..... Like a crazy, ridiculous amount of hate. Melissa McBride was ALL OVER the show last season. She was front and center all over the place. And she was magnificent... for Carol fans. Outside of Carol fans? She was hated. People were done with her. They were over. They wanted her gone. They didn't have sympathy for her. They didn't care that every child she loved, raised as her own, cared for was killed. They did not care. They didn't care that she was/is suffering other loads of trauma. They don't care how brilliant Melissa McBride is. They were just done with Carol's shit. Period. Done, finished, over.
Angela Kang REALIZED that. She also knows that Daryl and Carol are the HEART and SOUL and FUTURE of this franchise. Literally. There is a spin-off with those two. And if one-half of that future has a vocal majority of the online fanbase (and I've gone to other sites--just random, discussing TWD sites) that are tired of Carol's "shit," something has to be done to shift that attitude. So, guess what? Something is being done. Carol, in this first arc, is being shown sparingly, not shoved down anyone's throat. She is still getting shit done. She is fighting to save Alexandra. She was the one fighting to save Connie, BUT, she didn't get the glory shot. That was Kelly --as it should have been. And then Connie (and Kelly) in this latest episode both made the very clear choice that they wanted to help/work with Carol.
Kang is not sidelining Carol because she doesn't like her or because she's giving into the Carol-haters. She is doing this to ease the hate that had been thrown at Carol last season, rehabilitate her image while Carol rectifies her mistakes, when she pushed every one away, her vengeance helping to cause some of the issues that are facing Alexandria now. Carol is now helping to stop Aaron from going down the same path, leading the charge to save Connie, etc. So when the next arc begins and we see Carol more again--as Iām sure we will, it will be with a fresh perspective and a renewed appreciation for her character.
(Note: I know that Carol is extremely popular still. Iām just saying that they still want to ease the online hate for her.)
As for the Reapers. This arc is about three characters: Daryl, and Maggie and Negan. Let's start with Maggie, and Maggie and Negan.
We haven't seen Maggie for years. She was a major player on the show, so naturally she is going to get a major arc upon her return. This is her major arc. I think we had two options. We could see her dealing with her (understandable) Negan issues in Alexandria which would have taken away from Carol's arc, involving Carol and all she did, letting Negan out, bringing Alpha into it, stirring up resentment between her and Maggie--which would undermine what Kang is trying to do for Carol!Ā
OR, she could take Maggie and Negan OUT of Alexandria and have Maggie deal with her (understandable) Negan issues away from Carol, not bringing her into it. Ā Let Maggie and Negan hash it out together. That's what Kang did, that's what she is doing. This is Maggie's arc, it's getting her to a place where she can live in some kind of harmony with Negan. This HAD to be done to give Maggie any kind of "happy" ending. It had to happen, and it had to happen away from Alexandria/Carol to give Carol her fresh start with viewers to stop the haterade parade.
Now, Daryl... Kang's first season as showrunner, well, the first half was basically spent getting things back on track after the mess that Gimple had made of the last 3-4 seasons. The next half of that season was deeply exploring Carol's character, going in-depth on that bad boy. The next season--which was last--continued that exploration, but also added a season-long deep dive into the bond between Carol and Daryl. So, what are we getting now? Why naturally, a deep exploration into who? Daryl Dixon!
I adored the episode "Find Me," and I'm so thrilled that we got it. The original plan was to include the romantic relationship with Leah in a few flashbacks when Leah was introduced with the Reapers. I'm so happy it didn't happen that way because (a) it would have lessened the depth of exploration of Daryl's character, and (b) it would have jettisoned the gorgeous Carol parallels. Having this whole arc about the Reapers isn't pointless, doesn't not matter because Daryl isn't pointless, Daryl doesn't not matter.
Because we had that parallel between Leah and Carol, we can see so clearly that Daryl has a type. (Take that, Carol ain't his type, hah!) We can also see that Daryl will always try and save people. Yes, yes, we already knew that, but because of this arc, we see that Daryl has learned, finally!, that once the jig is up, the jig is damn well up and when you can't save someone, you can't save them. We're also seeing different sides of Daryl, that he can blend in, that he has learned from Carol. Ā
As for Caryl, Daryl and Carol can't be Caryl until both sides are healed enough to stop talking in circles and truly talk. We saw that in "Find Me." Carol is healing. If she doesn't let herself heal, she'll constantly be torn apart by guilt. Daryl is finding that he can't save everyone, he has to save those who matter most TO HIM. Otherwise, he's constantly going to try and save everyone and be torn apart by guilt. They have to do these things separately.
They already know they have each other's backs. They already know the other will NEVER turn on the other, leave the other. That's not in question. Carol has been broken inside. Daryl can't fix that. Daryl has a martyr complex trying to save everyone. Carol can't stop him. That is something they have to figure out themselves or it won't work. So... again, Carol is healing. Daryl is figuring it out.
And then they will come together. For now, in this arc, they are getting their ducks in a row, itās just a separate thing. So, the first arc of this season? Not pointless at all, in my opinion.
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11x02: Acheron, Part 2 - Analysis
Okay, letās talk 11x02. And 11x01. Because itās a two-part episode, itās important to consider them together. I have a LOT to say about whatās going on in these two episodes, so Iāll have plenty to post all week. Letās dive in!
***As always, spoilers abound below for TWD 11x02. Donāt read until youāve watched! Youāve been warned!***
Maggie
The first thing we see is a point of view from under the train car. The instant I saw that, I knew how things would go. I never thought Maggie would die (if nothing else, there are scenes with her in the trailer we havenāt seen yet) but I was curious as to how she would survive. When I saw this POV, I knew sheād end up crawling under the train. Just as Glenn crawled under the dumpster. Massive parallels to Glenn. Which by extension, massive parallels to Beth. Major resurrection theme.
It's also important that when she reappears, she comes from underneath the car. Obviously, thatās logical given that she crawled underneath the car, but they make a point of asking if the pounding is coming from the roof. Gabriel says no and then they open the bottom hatch for her. Her coming up from the ground like that is a visual representation of a resurrection.
So we see Gabriel, Negan and the others enter the train car. The spatial details here are important, and I had to watch the episode twice to get them all straight. Itās a little confusing the first time. So, the group jumps down into the train car through a hatch in the roof because they couldnāt get the door open in the last episode. The thing is, if you watch closely, you come to realize theyāre not in the train car on the end. They must have walked along the roof for two or three cars before finding a hatch that let them in.
So, when Gauge shows up, he comes behind them, and that confused me because I was thinking they came from that direction. And they did, but they entered through the roof, not the door. Anyway, they canāt get the door open. So honestly, even if theyād tried harder, Iām not sure they could have saved him.
This scene accomplished a lot of things, character-wise, that we need to touch on. Itās important to note that Gaugeās death happened due to his own choices. Does that mean he ādeservedā to die or that they shouldnāt have tried to save him if they could have? Of course not. No on both counts. But that doesnāt change the fact that his choices sealed his fate.
It's especially interesting that he called Maggie a Liar. Not only is that a throwback to the Governor, but itās a particular type of mentality theyāre showing here. Even the fact that he didnāt shut the door behind him is really interesting. My first thought was to be annoyed with him. Why WOULDNāT you shut the door. You live in this world. You know better. But itās all ego. He canāt imagine something bad will happen. He just assumes if it does, someone will save him.
But the most telling thing was how angry he got before saying Liar. It just shows very much how he approaches life. When he messes up, he doesnāt feel bad, and accept that it was his fault, and try to learn from it. No, instead he gets pissed and blames everyone but himself and his own actions.
If this had been Daryl or Gabriel or Alden or any of our other heroes, they would have recognized that opening the door would have gotten their friends and family killed and would have sacrificed themselves. Especially if they realized theyād screwed up. But Gauge became angry and defiant, even killing himself.
Anyway, Iām rambling. This really has nothing to do with Beth or TD other than perhaps being a future template for something. But I thought it was a really fascinating character sketch.
The thing is, this isnāt really a matter of Gauge being wrong and everyone else being right.
Maggie isā¦not doing so well either. As I told my fellow theorists, Paola Lazaro said in TTD last week that Maggie was kind of off the rails. I think she said that a little prematurely, because we really didnāt understand Maggieās state of mind just by watching 10x17 and 11x01.
It's not until she tells that messed up story about the house she found and the people in it that we understand that her state of mind really isnāt at its healthiest. Even saying she wanted to kill Negan before isā¦understandable given their past. But it makes more sense now why Negan is so nervous. Heās sensing her state of mind that her moral conscience isnāt as strong as it once was, so of course heās fearful for his life.
I donāt know where theyāre going with this Maggie story line, but I have a feeling this attitude of hers will cause conflict down the road. Several of my fellow theorists believe it will cause a rift between her and Daryl. And we can see that somewhat through Alden. At first, he was very much defending Maggie, especially against Negan. He has a lot of loyalty to her. But he didnāt like her abandoning Gauge, and you can see his loyalties starting to waver.
At the very least, what she said about not feeling anything about it is the opposite of what Beth always stood for. Daryl was trying hard not to feel things during Still, in the wake of the prison going down. She made him feel things because thatās the only way a person is truly living, rather than just surviving. Now Maggie is in that state of mind.
And Iām gonna argue that makes it a prime time for Beth to return to help her. But of course Iām completely objective over here. ;D
Maggieās Story:
Maggieās story was definitely dark and horrible, but interesting to analyze. Iām assuming there was cannibalism going on there. Thatās why the missing limbs. The men in the house were eating the female prisoners. No only a callback to Terminus, but remember that Bobās leg was taken for food, so Iām sure thatās what weāre supposed to infer here.
She talked about no eyes, no tongue, no limbs, vocal cords ripped out. So definitely the see no evil, speak no evil themes. With the limbs, itās also a matter of not being able to escape or save themselves.
In terms of the plot, I do have one question about this that I think may be significant. Maggie first talks about three deformed people (she says, āI wouldnāt call them menā) coming toward her. She kills them, and only after that hears the noise from the attic.
My question is, why were they deformed? If theyāre āmen,ā then they must be at least Maggieās age, if not older, which means theyāve been around since before the apocalypse began. Even eating human flesh doesnāt cause one to become deformed, so why the deformities? I have no idea, but I wondered if there is a radiation theme going on here. Something theyāre hinting at, but not saying. Just thought that was intriguing.
After that, things go sideways and everyone almost dies until Daryl arrives to save the day. So, letās skip to his story.
Daryl:
We first see him bust through a wall with Dog. So, dog took off in the last episode, but the first time we see Daryl, heās already found Dog again. At least, the first time. This is where he sees the murals on the wall, the walker with the handcuff and the suitcase of money, etc. I already talked about most of that in great detail HERE, so I wonāt rehash it, though itās very important.
One thing I will say about the mural is that thematically, itās a match to Still. So, in the golf club, we had lots of rich people who clearly hid there when the world first went bad. And I donāt remember this particularly, but several of my fellow theorists have told me they remember the TTD after Still and that the writers talked about how the golf club was a statement about the class system. You have these very rich people, but their wealth couldnāt save them. Death, walkers, the apocalypseā¦none of these things discriminate based on wealth or position.
On the wall, we see people with crowns standing at the top, but below, they are homeless, and one of them is being attacked and torn apart. Meanwhile, Daryl sees a line of text that says, āit comes for us all,ā probably meaning death.
Well, guess what? Angela Kang, in talking about the murals, said that this, too, was a statement about the class system. So thematically, this is meant to be a parallel to Still.
Itās just interesting to contemplate because if you think about it, most of our herosāRick, Daryl, the Greene family, etcāwerenāt at all wealthy. Rick was humble and well-grounded. Hershel worked hard his whole life and never had any glory or fanfare. And then thereās Daryl, who was ānothing. No one.ā They all survived.
So of course itās a socioeconomic statement, but itās also one about mindset. It takes not only grit to survive this world, but a certain amount of humility. Ego always gets you killed eventually, as it did with Gauge.
Iāll also mention that I thought the guy with the crown who was being torn apart was being set upon by walkers, but AK says theyāre specifically not walkers. Theyāre people.
So, itās not a coincidence that we see this juxtaposed with the Gauge situation. His ego gets him killed and we literally see him being torn apart because of it.
Moving on.
Daryl finds a bag with a $100 bill with a letter written on it. This is a massive TD clue from start to finish. 100 is an important number. The hundred dollar bill features Benjamin Franklin on the front and Independence Hall on the back. Look either of those up and youāll find lots of fun parallels we could point to. I wonāt go into all that today except to say itās definitely part of the Revolution theme.
This is whatās written on the bill Daryl finds:
āDear Dad, you always said if you donāt come back in a week to move on. Mom didnāt listen and went looking. Itās been three weeks, so weāre going next. Iāll watch Jesse and turn on the radio every day at 10. See you both soon. Love Tom and Jesse.ā
He also finds a picture of two kids. So, the āthree weeksā jumps out because of Rickās line in 5x10, āitās been three weeks since Atlanta.ā Itās also about missing family members, going searching for them, etc. Possibly important that the mom is also missing. I canāt help but think of the song from Still. āOur mother has been absent, every since we founded Romeā¦ā
There is a 10 in there, which is an important number. The turning the radio on every day is both the radio/airwaves theme (also a line from the song) but a callback to Rick and Morgan and their walkie talkies. So, really interesting symbols here.
The two kids immediately reminded me of Noahās twin brothers. I donāt think these two are supposed to be twins. Iām assuming the brother is older. But still obviously siblings. And it hearkens back to the last episode Beth was technically in. Which also had a lot of the CRM/Revolution theme in it. (X, X).
AK says this family probably didnāt make it, so Iām not expecting these kids to show up in the narrative. But itās also important to note that the little girl is carrying the toy rabbit Maggie found earlier. So the rabbit also ties into all this symbolism. (P.S. I didnāt get to my rabbit post last week. I planned on it, but time got away from me. I should get it posted later this week.)
So, this is massive in terms of TD symbolism. Iāll talk about it fits into the bigger narrative in a minute.
Then Daryl kills the sleeping bag walker. I wasnāt sure the significance of this at first, but I think it ties to the tents and sleeping bags we saw in Atlanta in 5x06, Consumed. Daryl and Carol passed them while looking for Beth. So, this just shows us that this is tied to her storyline and Daryl searching for her.
You could also argue that the walker wasĀ āhiddenā at first, and itās significant that Dog found it/realized it was there before Daryl did.Ā
The other thing is that as heās looking at the sleeping bag walker, thereās a random shoe on the ground next to it. Missing Shoe/Foot theory, which is also indicative of Beth.Ā
They hear another roaring sound and Dog takes off, running into the dark tunnel.
Hereās the thing. I think most people will assume the roar he heard was just more air being forced through the tunnels by the storm, as Alden explained it in ep 1. But I always watch with the subtitles on and I noticed at this part, the subtitles said, āMan Roaring.ā So they actually did hear someone screaming. And thatās probably why Dog ran toward it.
After watching it again, I realized itās probably supposed to be Roy. Heās the white-haired guy, played by C. Thomas Howell, who Daryl finds wounded after he emerges from the Tunnel. I think whatever happened to him when he went topside but then got attacked by walkers is what Dog heard and went running toward.
Maybe not terribly significant in the plot, but itās important symbolically. Because once again we have something Daryl hears from a distance but doesnāt see. Dog (a proxy for Beth) runs toward it, and Daryl follows. When he does, he find someone who had previously separated from the group. Theyāre hurt, but alive. See the parallels?
I will say the Roy situation confuses me just a little. Heās clearly hurt, and when Daryl tries to bandage him, he refuses, saying, ājust tell my kids I didnāt die a coward.ā But then later heās with the group, all bandaged up, and seems to be okay. (He dies when they reach the Reapers by taking an arrow to the head, so he still dies overall.) But itās just weird that it seemed he would die, then seemed he was fine again.
It may well be something that foreshadows a future situation, and thatās why itās not making tons of sense right now. Only time will tell.
Anyway, I kind of glossed over Daryl crawling through the dark tunnel. I donāt have much else to say about it except that itās a SUPER potent symbol for Bethās arc and very important that he emerges on the other side and finds this person. Annnd then goes to save TF. (Dark Tunnel Symbolism).
So, he hears the gunshots and finds the train theyāre on. He comes up behind the walkers attacking them from the front, kills them, moves the bench blocking the door, and lets everyone through. Then he uses a grenade to blow up all the walkers. (Ew.)
After that they all get out of the tunnels and go topside. The next scene is also super important. We see the stars above. Thatās partly to show that the storm has passed now, but also constellations = Sirius.
Maggie asks what he has and he tells her about it. There is one weird moment in this scene. When she tells them about the supply depot she wants to stop at, she says Georgie (from S8) set it up for emergencies, for people on the outside to use. When it says this, the camera focuses on Daryl for a LONG moment, and he looks almost sad. Iām not sure what theyāre trying to tell us there.
Anyway, they all head out. Unfortunately, when they reach the right neighborhood, the Reapers are there to meet/kill them. And Roy is the first to go.
So, a couple of things here. Iāll probably do a details post because Iām leaving out MOST of the background details throughout the episode, and there are a lot of them. Lots of details to be gleaned in this scene.
But the second time I watched it, I was struck by the people hanging upside down. Obviously a grim sight, but it occurred to me that these people hanging this way look a LOT like the deer diagrams from Scars. Let me show you some pictures:
Top pick is 11x02. Middle and bottom one are from Scars.
See what I mean? So, chances are something about Scars foreshadowed the Reapers, which is interesting. They clearly see human beings in a certain way (as animals to be strung up andā¦perhaps eaten?) And that makes me think that what Maggie found in that house may tie into the Reapers as well. Just kind of interesting foreshadows of coming plots.
Eugene:
Letās talk Eugene and then Iāll shut up for today. Eugeneās stuff was very intriguing. First thing you need to know. And understand, I didnāt know this. @wdwayā pointed it out. Some months ago, the actress cast as āStephanieā was announced. This is her:
And thatās clearly not the woman who steps into the train car at the end. Which means this isnāt really Stephanie. Sheās a decoy. In fact, the actress from this episode is billed on IMDb asĀ āwoman 2,ā not asĀ āStephanie.ā
Knowing that, if you go back and re-watch the parts with Eugeneās group, they mean something very different.
On the surface, it seems that Zeke, Yumiko and Princess are taken away in a sinister fashion. Then Eugene melts down and tells his story. (Note: while he focuses on his feelings for Stephanie and I think most of that is true, he still says he lied both to her and to his friends about being from a large settlement. So, heās still keeping large chunks of the truth from them.)
Again, on the surface it seems that they accept his explanation and just decide to allow them all in. All the stuff with the other three is just a misunderstanding.
But if āStephanieā is a decoy, that canāt possibly be the case. I think Zeke and the others told Eugene the truth as they know it, but theyāre all still being manipulated.
After Princess left to pee, the guy told Eugene no one was in the room and acted like he had no idea who Princess was. They were definitely using psychological torture on him, trying to break him.
I think they know very well that Eugene's group is still lying about their settlement, and they're using a decoy "Stephanie" to find out the truth.
My point is that it goes back to the hallucination, making-someone-think-they're-crazy theme. It will be really interesting to see how this unfolds, because there's all kinds of psychological shenanigans going on here.
@galadrieljonesā made a really interesting connection some time ago. She noticed that back in 10x18, at Leahās cabin, there is a metal, heart-shaped chair. The same chairs show up in the Commonwealthās sales video from the trailer. So thereās some kind of link between Leah, Darylās memory of her, and the Commonwealth. We donāt know what it is yet, but all of this gives credence to the idea that she is either an outright hallucination, or Daryl is just remembering things wrong.
It also might mean that the Reapers are connected to the Commonwealth in some way. We donāt really know yet, but Iām having tons of fun trying to figure it out.
I want to touch briefly on the train car theme. Once again, thereās a parallel in both story lines (Terminus, and this one at the Commonwealth). Darylās group is in train cars this episode. And while Eugeneās group has been at a different compound, they started in the train yard and end in it here. But what I noticed is that Eugene enters the train car at the end, which is furnished inside, and finds his friends there. They all have a happy reunion.
It made me think of the fact that when Rick, Daryl, Michonne, and Carl enter the train cars at Terminus, there is also a family reunion. What happened beyond that was not good or easy. Clearly, Terminus was not a good place. Many of them almost died at the trough and they had to fight their way out through a walker blood bath.
Iām just saying that, while it obviously wonāt play out exactly the same way, something similar is probably waiting for Eugeneās group outside that train car. Not good.
Acheron Overall:
Okay, letās get to the big cheese, here. The overall narrative. The template.
These two episodes are called Acheron part 1 and part 2. So hereās the skinny:
Acheron = Underworld. Darylās group going into the subway tunnels (dark, underground) is what constitutes Acheron and why the episodes are called that. Thatās why, at the end of this episode, they emerge from the tunnels onto the surface (i.e. the living world).
Given all the death, cemetery, and dark tunnel symbolism around Beth, given that she ventured into the land of the dead by being shot, maybe clinically dying for a time, and being thought dead for so long, what this tells me is that everything that happens in these tunnels is a foreshadow and template for what will happen this season.
I maintain that Dog = Beth and we will soon see something where Daryl hears something (not necessarily her; it was a man screaming so I still think it will be Rick he hears word of) and goes chasing after it. While searching for it, he stumbles across Beth. Then the two of them (both Dog and Daryl returned to the train car) go back in time to save TF from something.
This is most likely why the Roy thing is weird. In a super understated way, he represents Rick in the template. Daryl will find him, but only after he finds Beth. Even consider what Roy says. He says, ātell my kids I didnāt die a coward.ā And thatās all well and good, but did we even know Roy had kids? No. Have we met them? No. But who has kids that Daryl IS concerned with? That would be Rick.
So Iām thinking that maybe when Daryl finds Rick, Rick will think heās dying for some reason, and thatās why the dialogue here. But he wonāt, which is why we see Roy with the group later.
And no, Iām not thinking that Roy dying via the Reapers will extend to Rick. Itās more like what theyāve done with countless characters that have been Beth proxies. Eventually, they kill them off. Heās a minor character they were using as a proxy, and when they are done with him in the narrative, he becomes walker chow. Or, in this case, Reaper fodder.
Anyway, I think everything will end up being a foreshadow for something. Maggie and Negan. The Gauge situation. All of it. Iāll try to keep coming back to this as the story progresses to show what everything foreshadows. Iāll stop there for today.
#beth greene#beth greene lives#beth is alive#beth is coming#td theory#td theories#team delusional#team defiance#beth is almost here#bethyl
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I was bored this weekend so I rewatched season 4a. Spoilers ahead.Ā
Honestly, I don't think things get popping until episode 3 [but werenāt actually nearly that great until the last 3 episodes tbh] and I am not even being Buddie biased or Buckley-Diaz family unit biased [this might be a bold face lie, but on second rewatch, I noticed I was paying more attention to everything else as well]. 4x03 is just a really good episode. Good old emergencies, mixed in with Eddie's paranoia over Hildy. Then from there it's Buck Begins and the whole Buckley family secret. Then of course, I feel like when we get to Jinx that starts some kind of path. The universe path, you know? There Goes the Neighborhood also continues on this path. Buck is still trying to work through some stuff; a terrible date, the bit about SAFE SPACES. Then Breaking Point. Everyone has one right? Even Christopher and getting angry or as Buck put it ā I heard you blew up at your Dadā and thatās not over yet though. Taylor needing a friend. Nearly Buck reaching one, but he managed to repair it. Eddie for the sole fact Christopher runs away. Hen and Karen actually not having a breaking point until... Chim and Maddie breaking and repairing it in regards to how Baby Mango arrives in this world. Athena and Bobby just being parents to everyone as usual.Ā
Fun fact. Breaking Point was on as I typed this and it's the one on one scene between Buck and Chris. "I don't want to miss anyone else," Christopher says after he names all the other people he misses first. Buck is probably also telling himself, don't make it about you Buck, this isn't about you, but you are going to promise, "I'm not going anywhere." The last three episodes (Jinx, There Goes the Neighborhood, and Breaking Point) were like some kind National Treasure bullshit; *Nicolas Cage voice* "The secret lies with Charlotte." "Paul Revere went by horse and it was two lanterns not one" or some bullcrap that movie talked about (not going to lie, I once thought it was comedic), but I just mean the overall premise of National Treasure being about secrets or coded messages and a Treasure Hunt (which if I'm correct is also a name of a potential 911 episode...?)
Can I backtrack a moment to 4x07? You know the awkward double date that Buck invited Taylor to? Buck is sitting awkwardly in that chair, wondering about his life choices and little bit of a song played. The lyrics, "There's someone else for you." Just that bit of the song, for the record and I don't think it was already playing in the previous scene to end so coincidentally over Buckās face?
I'm also not over Taylor talking about looking for a miracle in which Buck gave to her and Eddie also called Buck a miracle worker.
Okay, the end of Breaking Point: Ana comes over to the house, like some awkward new beginning parallel to Madney being cute as they prepare for Baby Mango. Buck patches things with Albert. Then the not so happy crescendo/breaking point for Hen and Karen. Adopting Nia may not happen.
It's really coded like a treasure hunt and if there's an episode named that, well, that'll be hilarious. I'm forever going to hang onto Future Tense as a way of showing us the future, Buck and Eddie have yet to realize. So when they do realize it, it'll be soo damn good. So if the presumed treasure hunt the universe sends the boys on (with everyone else on their own kind)- but if Buddie doesnāt end with them figuring out what connects them and how they want to be connected...like if they donāt meet in the middle at the X marks the spot (or the universe tether aka Christopher) then I really am just creating this treasure hunt out of thin air and it doesnāt exist like the Dad profusely told Nic Cageās character in National Treasure...or maybe itās also like PLAYING DETECTIVES? Cagney and Lacey inspired True Crime podcast brought to you by Buck and Eddie two LAFD firefighters and best friends occasionally featuring their Captain of the 118; plus Bobbyās friend Michael and his partner David who reluctantly participates in these shenanigans but could provide key medical evidence/research. In my mind, they read [mostly Buck and Eddie] their cases/script for this made up podcast as 1940s detectives. Smoky voice Buck:Ā āItās a locked room mystery.ā *1940s detective music* Smoky voice Eddie:Ā āCorrection. Itās a locked yard mystery...ā Anyway...
Did I mention the clowns to ya'll? We didn't forget abut those clowns did we (Jinx might actually be my fav episode of the season after FUTURE TENSE). The clowns are so pointedly shot after Eddie mentions Ana to Buck. Okay. Then there's also the love languages thing. That's a book Buckās therapist would've recommended right now or for some reason heās choosing to read it? As we can see, I think the show might be reeling it back in for Buck. As Eddie put it "I don't know what inspired this software upgrade." Coincidentally, Buck 3.0 is looking to the FUTURE. Anyway, the love languages. NO one immediately thinks about the coffee machine prank. Absolutely no one so I won't even make that a thing, but I notice in that scene Buck "outs" Eddie by telling the team about Ana.
Hen: Ana who?... Is this the one you yelled at? Eddie: I apologized for that. Chim: Yeah okay and you still didn't ask her out? Eddie: She's Christopher's teacher. Bobby: I thought you said she got a new job. Buck: *crickets*
What's the intention behind Buck bursting this supposed secret and then not have him encourage Eddie? Like in his way, Buck couldāve said well, does she do this or that? Words of affirmation? Gift giving? Are yours and her love languages truly compatible? Oh, wait, thereās implications behind the book Buck is reading but also...there's implications behind Chim and Bobby's statements. They're implying okay so go for it. Neither Hen or Buck really do that. Why donāt we have Hen jumping on the encouragement train either? Instead she brings it back to that one unfortunate moment any of them really remembers of Ana... Hmm, it's secrets and coded messages and the one thing that Buck has said from this entire season that truly resonates with me:
Buck (directed to Eddie): The universe is screaming at you and it's like you're not even listening.
Irony is. Neither is he.
Oh wait, another line that resonates with me (and I made a recent post with it too):
Bobby (directed to Eddie): They're so focused on what they don't have that they might miss out on the chance to have something else, something real.
Something real.Ā
You really want me to think this line is about Ana Flores, even if Eddie thinks it somewhat is? And the foundation of it is to encourage Eddie to think about moving on, to stop being so STUCK (2x04 anyone?). If it really is about Ana then we're actually painting Bobby as the character who has no idea...? None whatsoever as to HOW CLOSE Buck and Eddie could be, if that's what they wanted. Seems fake, but okay. Bobby's line actually should highlight that they both are looking in the opposite direction when in fact the SOMETHING REAL is right in front of their faces. The something real is what Eddie came home to after his supposed date.
Just saying because to me it looks Buck and Eddie are still looking in and RUSHING INTO the PAST TENSE and have yet to understand the FUTURE TENSE.Ā
#buddie#911 spoilers#a rewatch#a messy one#but sure why not#how could I still not watch it with Buddie goggles on or my clown hat#...
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Okay so I finished watching black sails a few days ago and Iāve spent the last few days reading other metas and posts and interviews about Flint & Silver to gather my thoughts (thots, if you will) and these are the conclusions I have come to:
John Silver and James Flint have the most interesting and well written dynamic ives ever seen between two characters. I am endlessly fascinated by their relationship. Because itās so unique and complex and I canāt think of any other relationship between two men on screen that even gets close to being on their level, that level of intimacy and their DIALOGUE????? especially in season four????? there is no daylight between us???? i have made myself transparent to you????? you already know me in all the ways thatās relevant???? fuck me up dude!!!!!
All of that being said, I donāt likeā¦ ship them. At least not in the conventional way of shipping. I donāt see them as boyfriends or husbands or even as romantically involved. Like I said I LOVE their dynamic and I am fascinated with the complexities of it, and I really and truly think that they loved each other deeply, but to me the idea of them being like in an explicit, canon relationship sort of... cheapens it?
Especially if weāre talking about seasons 1-3 flint & silver. To me, saying that they were romantically involved during that time period sort of misses the point of their build up. Because they didnāt even really like each other then. They were necessary evils in each otherās stories. ESPECIALLY in seasons 1 & 2, they werenāt friends! They were work place acquaintances who needed each other to survive. And remember Silverās whole season three arc of āI think flint controls the weatherā???? Lmaooo the idea that they were romantically involved at that time, to me, almost does a disservice to their characters and the journey that they took to get to where they were in the fourth season.
Because I donāt think that they truly started to even be friends until that night around the fire. When Silver asked in whoās name they were fighting the war and Flint told the truth about his past. When Flint made himself transparent and vulnerable to Silver, and they openly discussed their partnership. When they came to a mutual understanding of each other, when they felt the possibility of the future together, that is when they really and truly emotionally connected and became more than work place acquaintances, became even more than just casual friends.
But I still donāt think that they were like, together together in season four.
Do I think there were extremely high levels of homoeroticism? also-fucking-lutely. But I donāt think they were romantically involved. For many reasons.
I think that the last two episodes of the series do not work if they did not love each other. The last two episodes are not effective if there is not something deeper there, if there isnāt something to lose when they fall apart. Like when Billy and Silver fall apart? I was like aww they were friends. :( and thatās it. When Silver and Flint fell apart? I sobbed my fucking eyes out. Would I have been as destroyed by Silverās betrayal if I didnāt truly believe that these two men had a deep and profound relationship, that they needed each other and completed each other? Lmao no! No I wouldnāt have. If Flint didnāt love Silver, he wouldnāt have taught him sword fighting, he wouldnāt have shot Dooley, he wouldnāt have looked so deeply crushed when Silver raised the gun. Because the look on his face? When that happens? That is heartbreak, pure and simple.
BUT. I ALSO think that the last two episodes of the series do not work if that love is explicit and defined. I do not think it works if Silver is fully aware of that love. Because I donāt think he is. I think he has found himself closer and closer to Flint, committing himself to Flint, becoming the other half of Flint, andā¦.. doesnāt quite realize how homoerotic it is lmao. Because he has Madi! And Silver has never really had someone to be close to before, so I honestly donāt believe that Silver was aware how how Homo(TM) the whole thing was with Flint, at least not consciously, at least not out loud. And I say this because there is a very important moment in the finale that doesnāt work if their relationship is defined and official or romantic in any way.
Itās when Flint says āThis will all have been for nothing. We will have been for nothing. Defined by their histories. Distorted to fit into their narrative. Until all that is left of us are the monsters in the stories they tell their children,ā That is his last card to play. That, to me, is the THESIS of the series, that moment is what they have been building up to for four seasons, that is Flintās driving force as a person. And Silver says: āI donāt care,ā
That moment is reliant on Silver not understanding the queer implications behind what Flint said. That moment is reliant on Silver being a man who has never experienced the life ruining homophobia that Flint has experienced. That moment is reliant on Silver genuinely not caring, it is reliant on the complete disconnect from Flint in that moment, and if the two of them had been in a defined relationship at the moment, I wouldnāt have bought it. And it is heartbreaking and tragic because Silver DOESNāT get it. He doesnāt! He does not know what it means to fear how the world will see you for who you fundamentally are, fear how mothers will tell their children about you, fear how your story will be told, and I do not buy that moment if Silver is aware of his own queerness. Maybe other characters in other stories, I might, but Silver, self serving and self saving Silver, to not care? He has to genuinely NOT care.
Iāve mentioned before in other posts that watching Silver and Flintās story play out is a lot like watching Romeo and Juliet, that you know that their story will end in tragedy, but you watch it unfold anyway. But thereās another reason I think they parallel the star crossed lovers. And I think the moral of Romeo & Juliet (itās my favorite play step up and fight me) is not that the young lovers were stupid and reckless, but the moral is that they might have lived if not for the outside forces trying to drive them apart. Romeo and Juliet is about how the toxic and warring world in which they lived wasnāt sustainable for their love, that they were driven to their deaths by parents who didnāt realize the harm they were inflicting upon their children.
I digress but the POINT being that it is outside forces that drove the two of them apart. (Get Wreked, Billy) The toxic and warring world in which they lived wasnāt sustainable for their partnership. You can see it best in 4x09 when the flashbacks of the two of them alone on the beach are funny and tender and vulnerable and open between the two of them, and present day where Silverās trying to get Flint a little bit KILLED and you can see how much things have changed between them since that day on the beach.
How might have things changed in another direction if they hadnāt been driven apart? Because like I said earlier, Silver and Flintās relationship was a JOURNEY, it didnāt happen overnight. And I canāt help but feel like they were only at the beginning of their relationship when they fell apart and that is another tragedy, the what if? of it all. How might their relationship have changed and gotten even deeper if they hadnāt been pushed apart? What hadnāt been explored between them, what was still left unsaid when Silver raised his gun at Flint? So thatās ANOTHER reason I donāt think they were like ~together~ because there is tragedy is losing something you donāt have, that you might have had. Losing something that you donāt know what it could have become and that breaks my heart because it feels like they had only JUST begun and then they were ending in the most heartbreaking and tragic way.
Also to be honest, the main reason that I love Them is because Iām a slut for tragedy, and knowing that something is going to have a sad ending but rooting for them anyway. Romeo and Juliet, the Hunchback of Notre Dame musical, Hadestown, the Song of Achilles, They Both Die at The End, even rewatching Brokeback Mountain, you get it. Tell me that they arenāt going to make it in the end and then let me watch them fall in love anyway. Let me watch them grow to love each other knowing that theyāre going to end in tragedy. I should be sobbing on the floor by the end of it, I WANT to be sobbing on the floor by the end of it. Thatās my shit. It is literally my favorite type of story. fuck me UP
So those are my Thots (TM) about Flint & Silver. They have one of the most well written relationships Iāve ever seen on screen and I am endlessly fascinated by them. I donāt like romantically ship them because I think itās too complicated to reduce their relationship to ātheyāre datingā when it is their journey from reluctant work place acquaintances to āItās hard to know where one began and the other endedā that is so incredible. But I do think there is a deep and profound love between them and the finale doesnāt WORK unless they love each other, but it also has to be somewhat unspoken for it to work, too. Ā Because I donāt think Silver was aware of his own queerness and I think he has to actively not understand the queerness of Flintās fight in order to do what he does otherwise I wouldnāt buy it. And I think that they were only at the beginning of their partnership, and I wonder where it could have gone if they hadnāt been ripped apart. Theirs is a tragedy of losing someone you love and losing something that isnāt easily defined, losing something that could have been. And their tragedy does not work if they didnāt have something to lose.
#lesbianlaynie#laynie's thots#silverflint#black sails#larose watches black sails#bs meta#black sails meta#john silver#james flint#long john silver#captain flint#laynie's essays#flintsilver#for alex to read
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My absolute aspirational, dream, reach scenario for Hawk in season 4 is not happening BUT that doesnāt seem to be stopping me from TALKING ABOUT IT A LOT ANYWAY! letās gooooooooo
Warning: this is going to be a long walk to get to my point, I sure wasnāt kidding when I saidĀ āa lot.ā SO much rambling about little bird over here. so much.
I would love to see Julie-san back, period, and I started to ramble to anyone who would listen about that, but then after I rewatched the episode where Miyagi-Do got trashed, I actually realized a few concrete reasons why I feel sheād be such a great addition to the show, if only for an episode or two!Ā
My heart was just so broken for Daniel-san when he saw what happened to the dojo. He doesnāt care about things, he only cared so much about the Medal of Honor and the car being graffitied because those things were from Mr. Miyagi, obviously. And that appeared to totally break him, and it just made me feel so sad because in that moment he seemed so alone. I donāt think anybody had the same kind of relationship with him that Daniel did, besides Julie-san. Of course, he was like a grandfather to Sam, and he knew the whole rest of Danielās family, but still that isnāt quite the same. Iām sure that all of Danielās family just loved him so much, because how could anyone not, but the father-son relationship Daniel had with him was so special and no one else in his family had that kind of relationship with him. But someone else did.Ā
I really wanted Julie-san to come and maybe bond with Daniel over how much they both loved Mr. Miyagi so much as a teacher and father figure after they had both lost their fathers - or in Julieās case, both her parents.Ā
And then I realized that she would be so amazing as a mentor too. It wouldnāt be too far-fetched to think she comes to LA to check out all this karate drama sheās hearing about if it involves a dojo calledĀ āMiyagi-Doā - she has a huge connection to Mr. Miyagi, so maybe she wants to see whatās going on with her old mentorās other student.Ā
Itād be kind of funny if Julie could share some stories with Daniel from her perspective of when she pissed off Mr. Miyagi so much, haha. In the same episode that Miyagi-Do got vandalized (this one episode seriously inspired so many thoughts in me), Danielās patience was wearing thin with Demetri. Daniel wants to emulate Mr. Miyagi so bad but what Daniel might not have realized is that once, even Mr. Miyagi came this close to losing it hahah.Ā I didnāt even know he could get that mad, hahahaha.Ā When Julie-san was like āYouāre mad at me, arenāt you?ā and Mr. Miyagi was just like...Ā ā........ā ahahaha oh man. Itās just... it would be so nice for Daniel to hear from her about all this, like reading the letters Mr. Miyagi had once written.Ā
Now, in addition to ALL of that... because I assume that Daniel would have heard and known of her from Mr. Miyagi, I do feel like itād be amazing if, after meeting her and seeing how great she turned out, he said to her,Ā āI know that you had to deal with a lot of anger when you were younger, and I was wondering if you might be willing to help me out with something about that. See, thereās this Hawk...āĀ
āI love hawks.āĀ
ānot like thatā and I swear to God this isnāt just that dumb hawk joke that I was dying to make, though, I promise ahahaha.Ā
I mean there definitely is room there for that joke but Hawk and Julie would fit together so well. Even if the source of their anger was very different, she still could relate to him because she had no way of channeling her anger until Mr. Miyagi came along and guided her, and she just found so much peace after.
And I see such a parallel to when she became more self-assured and had that āIf Iām ever going to respect myself, I have to do thisā moment - itās clear that Hawk has VERY little respect for himself. There is a lot of denial and self-loathing going on with this poor guy and he needs to learn how to get past that and learn to love himself.Ā
I think the movie doesnāt go into it a whole lot but Julie definitely seemed to deal with that self-loathing a bit too with like, the expectation that her grandma would tell her āOh you messed up, you made another mistake, you screwed up.āĀ
Hawk still has no one to help him do these things - yeah, he changed sides at the very last minute - dude had us in the 4th quarter with 5 seconds left on the clock and we got ball - but that of course in no way means all of his other anger issues areĀ resolved, right? HeĀ needsĀ someone.Ā
I actually got kind of infuriated at Amanda saying that if Robby doesn't want to come back, "You're going to have to let him go," like it's one of those "If you love something let it go" type of situations, and thank GOD Daniel pushed back on it! Thank God he did, and said "I can't just let him go," and then he said, "He has no one." Man, that part was gut-wrenching. I absolutely love Robby, I really do, but I'm actually less worried for him now. He does have someone now - I think Johnny really is going to try for Robby, and even if he does massively fuck up - which he might, or he might not - I think Daniel will still be there for Robby because he cares about him so much. Robby will, hopefully, be all right. But Hawk I truly do worry about, and Hawk I really do think actually does have no one right now. Except for Demetri, who I still hope after all this will be willing to throw down for him, but heās his best friend, not a sensei or mentor.Ā
I hate so much how Johnny treats Hawk and hate how he's failed him, like in multiple ways, and legitimately get mad about it sometimes, hahaha - I will NEVER get over how harshly he treated Hawk and Miguel and made them clean mats, and then ONLY MIGUEL got that honest heart-to-heart after. And this was in response to the both of them calmly asking Johnny about something instead of being accusatory, angry, or anything really, they were simply trying to have a talk with him, and then he just told them to GTFO. (Man, my HEART hurts at the way Hawk still bows to his sensei even then, before he GTFOs.) But anyway - what I'm getting at here is, it really does seem to me that Johnny just does not like even interacting with Hawk. Every single time he interacts with him, save for the one time that he gave him his new name, it's always just so hostile. It's probably at least partially due to Hawk reminding him so much of his younger self, and Johnny likely does not want to deal with or face that self-reflection at all. So to me it feels like a really tall order to ask Johnny to have any sort of real talk with this one particular student who needs him so much. And if he were to even try - would it even be productive, or would it just be more yelling?Ā
It makes me think of how, in the beginning of The Next Karate Kid, when Mr. Miyagi sends Julie's grandma off to take a break, it's really to give Julie and her grandma some forced time apart. Everyone knew it was needed, it just couldn't happen until Mr. Miyagi could take care of Julie. Julie and her grandma were both dealing with too much - Julie lost her parents, Julie's grandma lost her child - and all they could ever do is get angry with each other. "Talking doesn't seem to help. It just makes things worse," Julie's grandma said.
And right before they part ways, Julie tearfully says to her grandma, "I've tried sometimes to just talk to you, and not get angry, but everything gets messed up and I don't know why." God, that just got to me so much. She's just a kid, and she had this moment of actually trying, and it's not her fault that she doesn't know how to fix things, and itās okay that she doesnāt know why!Ā Then her grandma admitted her own shortcoming by saying "Things get messed up for me, too." It was a good moment between them.
Hawk is still a good kid, I'm never going to not believe that, probably, hahaha. He was going to step up and confess to vandalizing the Miyagi-Do dojo until Kreese stopped him. (Speaking of that, Johnny had basically given all these students permission to view Kreese as a sensei just as much as they do him - and Kreese hadn't given any of them any reason yet to think he was actually Bad News. Maybe Hawk even thought that Kreese would talk to Johnny first and soften the blow, when he said he would "handle it." But, well - we saw how he handled it!!!) Ā So, I do not put it past him to be able to admit at least a little bit of fault, or admit to feeling lost, or reaching out for some kind of help. I don't see him doing it in any dramatic fashion or anything like that, or being sorrowfully apologetic and the like, but just... you know, the way Julie said it, I could see him doing something like that. But unfortunately for him, I don't know who is there to hear that from him and then give him that help.
I really don't see Johnny ever owning up to how his negligence and hostility and favoritism contributed to how violent Hawk became... which is sad, cause even just that one small admission of "Things get messed up for me, too" was probably the first step in repairing the damage between Julie and her grandma (even if we don't get to see them afterwards). And they likely would not have been able to get there, or they would have had a lot more trouble getting there, if not for Mr. Miyagi intervening. Julie needed to hear that.
Maybe Hawk just needs someone external to come and shake things up a little bit and be a mentor, someone who isn't so tied up in this karate soap opera already. I think Daniel genuinely does want to help these kids, but I don't know if I really see him having that much sympathy for Hawk, either, and I don't know if he would understand the depths of his anger. Sure, Daniel was absolutely bullied back when he was younger, and I'm not downplaying that at all, but it wasn't to the degree that Eli went through, which resulted in a shit ton more anger than it ever did in Daniel. And then, of course, Daniel had Mr. Miyagi step in early enough to make sure Daniel's anger and need for revenge never got so out of hand. Johnny's simply not going to be able to be that person for Hawk, at least not now. But maybe, maybe one day he could get there if someone came along to jump-start it, the way Ali had to come in and knock his head loose a little about his rivalry with Daniel, and I'd really love for that to be Julie-san.Ā
thereās definitely also room for several hawk jokes in there somewhere too
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My take on 10x18 Find Me
When I first watched episode 10x18 Find Me, I was overwhelmed by how much symbolism there was in it, and I donāt think I was the only one who felt this way.
Iāve previously written a couple of posts about something I like to call the three/tree/trunk symbolism, or āTrunk Resurrectionā part 1 and part 2, and Iāll refer to those for further reading to avoid this getting too long. I have a feeling it'll be long enough as it is, because there were so many amazing talking points in Find Me.
One of the first things we see in Find Me are the weird spikes/prongs sticking out of a tree. Later we see them sticking out of the doorframe of the front door in Leahās Ā cabin. This is where I refer to the Trunk Resurrection posts for simplicityās sake, but the short story is, I read the number āthreeā as synonymous with both Ā«treeĀ» and Ā«trunkĀ».
This is because in Still, we saw Beth and Daryl hiding in the trunk of a car. We also saw the number Ā«3Ā» written on the inside of the trunk, suggesting that Ā«3Ā» and Ā«trunkĀ» are synonymous. In Find Me, we saw Leah and Daryl hide behind the trunk of a tree. The tree trunk is a different representation of the Ā«trunkĀ» symbol, but it essentially symbolize the same thing, it is tool TPTB use to symbolize how Beth was saved from the walker horde some of us imagine surprised TF after Coda. I believe, like many of us do, that TF placed Beth in the trunk of a car after they had to run to get away from the approaching walker horde. They put her in the trunk of a car (foreshadowed by the trunk in Still and Alone) to save her from being eaten, and intended to return to her later to give her a proper burial. When they returned, she was Ā«goneĀ».
So when we see Daryl and Leah hide behind the trunk of the three, itās the trunk symbolism weāre seeing. And the three spikes/prongs are also representations of the three/tree/trunk symbolism, because three/tree/trunk are synonomous.
The three prongs/spikes were placed on a wooden doorframe, the door was made of wood, and it had a big X, or cross, on it. And like I mentioned, Iām not going into the details of the three/tree/trunk theory here, but the way we see them laid out in this episodeĀ pretty much confirms that these symbols are meant to be interpreted together. The threeās, the trees and the trunks are symbols which I read as pointing to the place where Beth was placed after Coda. Whether it was a real trunk, or a symbolical trunk, that we wonāt know until we see it. And in the case of Leahās cabin, Iām actually leaning towards interpreting the entire cabin as a trunk reference. It was painted blue, (blue clue theory), it was made of wood, and etymologically the word Ā«trunkĀ» can refer to a box, a coffin (think Darylās Ā«bedĀ» of choice in Still), the trunk of a car, a tomb (empty?), a carnival ride car as we saw with Rick in 7x12, a shipping container as we saw at the garbage heaps, or maybe even a music box. The Ā«trunkĀ» symbol can refer to a number of things. So when I say that Beth was placed in the trunk of a car after Coda, it could literally mean the trunk of a car, or any of the above.
So! Back to Leahās cabin. Thereās a door, itās made of wood, itās marked with three prongs/spikes on the doorframe, and it has an X on it. These are all references to the three/tree/trunk family of symbolism.
And directly on the inside of the door, we see Dog lead Carol to the hiding place, where the box with Darylās note is Ā«buriedĀ» underneath the floor boards. The picture of Leahās son Matthew is also buried there. It was not lost on me that Leah covers the hiding place with an animal hide, and I donāt know about you, but Iām feeling fairly confident that it is a deer hide. Weāve seen time and again that TPTB use deer to symbolize Beth, and itās only appropriate that one of the ways they make Beth references on this show is by utilizing a deer HIDE.
Get it? Something thatās hidden? Unseen? Buried? Represented by a deer HIDE? Makes perfect sense to me. Also, make sure to read read @twdmusicboxmysteryās theory on deer symbolism. It has always been one of my favorites.
Iāll get back to the buried box shortly, but I want to make sure we all take a moment to appreciate how when we first saw the picture of Leah and Mathew, it was sitting out. Daryl looked at it while tied up in Leahās chair.
The next time we see it, it appears as though Leah has retrieved it from itās hiding place under the floor boards. This indicates that she at one point decided hide it, or even Ā«buryĀ» it. She accidentally breaks the glass of the frame, something which wakes a sleeping Daryl. Yup, Iām side-eying the symbolism in that as well. Breaking the glass - someone wakes up. Oki doki, good to know, especially since we always see so much broken glass around Beth. She then shares with Daryl the story of how she came to be Matthewās adoptive mom.
The next time we get a reference to the picture, is when Daryl returns to the cabin after Leahās ultimatum. The box is no longer hidden, and the picture is just Ā«goneĀ». This whole mini-arc screams of Beth death fake-out to me. The picture was buried, then suddenly itās gone? It always reeked of resurrection symbolism to me, and when the brilliant, eagle-eyed @wdway managed to dig up some truly sensational picture references, it really couldn't possibly refer to anything else. Make sure you familiarize yourself with her absolutely incredible discovery.
Anyway, I read the fact that the box is buried underneath the floorboards (and a deer hide) as a reference to the three/tree/trunk symbolism. The box represents a trunk/coffin/grave, and itās Ā«buriedĀ». As it should be, if it represents a grave. And ultimately, when Daryl returns, it is āgoneā.
Also, I believe that we're supposed to interpret the fish mounted on the wall above the Ā«buriedĀ» box as a sort of Ā«grave markerĀ». We have seen this type of fish several times in key scenes throughout the years, such as in the garage in 10x10, in Dwightās room in the Sanctuary, in the mysterious cabin in season 3 where they found the dead dog and Daryl said Ā«I guess Lassie came homeĀ» (get it? Lassie came home, as in āreturnedā home. Sirius symbolism), as well as in FTWD.
The fish can symbolize many things, but in this particular case it strikes me as something of a grave marker, indicating that thereās a Ā«tombĀ» nearby. And in this case the tomb is the box with the picture and Darylās note, but ultimately it points to the Ā«empty tomb symbolismĀ», or as I like to call it, three/tree/trunk symbolism. The X/cross on the door also supports the notion of this being a Ā«tombĀ», and as I mentioned, Iām increasingly inclined to consider the whole cabin a Ā«tombĀ». Let's see how the remaining episodes plays out, but yeah, pretty much, the wood cabin = tomb/trunk symbolism. And itās blue as well, so Ā«blue clue theoryĀ».
This brings me to the revelation I had when I first tried to make sense of this episode. I eventually realized that Daryl did NOT enter through the front door with the X the first time he went there. After my initial confusion I realized that there are in fact TWO doors leading into Leahās cabin. One, the front door, is the one Iāve already talked about, itās the one with the X/cross. The other, the back door, is a whole different story.
We donāt see this door at any other point of the episode. I think thatās intentional, and it supports the idea that not everything is what it seems. It suggests that perhaps weāre not seeing things as they unfold in chronological order. Or, it suggests that our perspective is skewed. Something is off, and for many of us who operates under the assumption that Leah is either partly or fully a hallucination, this IMO supports and strenghtens the hallucination theory.
Now, letās talk about the back door. Unlike the front door, it has no X. Instead, it has two parallel lines, two panels placed vertically side by side. This is huge! Huge, my friends!
Because if you've read my Ā«Shaneās 22 Necklace TheoryĀ», your know how obsessed I am with symbolism that can be synthesized to consisting of the numbers two and ten. The X and the two parallel lines on the two doors in Leahās cabin, can be read as roman numerals X (ten) and II (two). And Iāll simply refer to the Ā«Shaneās 22 NecklaceĀ» post because otherwise this will get too long, but the reason Iām obsessed with those numbers is because we see them over and over in TWD, and particularly in scenes that are heavy on other TD symbolism. The poster of the Ā«Get Well SoonĀ» clock in Bethās room in Slabtown pointed to 10.10. But of course, on an analog clock, the number 2 (hours) is at the same place as the number 10 (minutes). And the show uses these numbers interchangeably. So when we see a 10, we also could interpret it as a two.
Confusing, I know. And to confuse us even more, the number 11, which consists of two oneās, can also be read as Ā«2Ā», because one plus one is two. Further, in roman numerals, Ā«2Ā» is written like this: Ā«IIĀ». Iām not a math person and numbers exhaust me, however, this is not about math, itās about breaking a code. Because ultimately, the numbers point to Noahās t-shirt. Remember, the one with the stylized Heron bird and the words Ā«one oneĀ». The bird is the same one as the one on the painting Beth passed in Still when she said Ā«we made itĀ» and foreshadowed her own survival. We also saw the same painting in 8x2 around Rick, and it was foreshadowed as I explain in Noah's t-shirt theory.
But, back to the X Ā and the II on the doors in Leahās cabin. Noahās t-shirt theory originally came together when a scene from season 5 foreshadowed the reappearance of the blue heron painting in 8x2.
And later that season I realized that the Ā«one oneĀ» on Noah's t-shirt also pointed towards episode 11, again because Ā«11Ā» consists of the numbers 1 and 1, or simply Ā«one oneĀ».
(And I have zero idea of how to arrange the pics in a way that makes them look pretty, so apologies)
And that made a lot of sense, because in episode Ā 8x11 we saw numerous other Beth symbols. We saw the radio, which is a Sirius symbol because of its connotation to Sirius Satellite Radio. We saw a serious (Sirius) piggybank, a callback to Beth and Darylās serious (Sirius) piggyback from Alone. Father Gabriel lost an eye, making him the new resident Sirius figure (a callback to the one eyed dog from Alone).
In season 9 episode 14, we saw Daryl and Michonne get fancy new scars, orchestrated by a very mean, manipulative lady and some seriously scary kids. The mean lady dies before the episode is over, however the scars remain. In 10x7 we saw Darylās back again, and we could clearly see his X shaped scar, but also a couple of parallel lines. At the time, I wondered if this was a way of foreshadowing something in episode 10x11 Morningstar, and now I fully believe that it was.
Remember how I said above that the 10x10 Slabtown clock could point to both episode 10x10 and 10x11 (because the numbers 11, 10 and 2 can be read as different variations of the same number). It later became clear that episode 10x11 was to be called āMorningstarā. To me, that pretty much confirmed that the scars was a foreshadow. In the Sirius/North Star master post from a few years ago I go through the Sirius symbolism carefully and in great detail, so Iāll just point to that post because this is already long enough. But a key element of the Sirius symbolism is that Sirius, the brightest star on the night sky, disappears for a while, and returns before dawn one day. Therefore, Sirius is sometimes referred to as the Morning Star (another Morning Star is Venus, which of course is not a star at all, it is a planet, and I have a Venus theory in the works as well, but for now, letās focus on Sirius as the Morning Star). Iāve always interpreted Sirius symbolism as something thatās about to Ā«returnĀ», because of how Sirius actually returns on the night sky after having been Ā«goneĀ».
So, I felt pretty certain that something significant was going to happen in 10x11. And it did. For starters, Eugene agreed to meet up with Stephanie over radio, so thereās a theme of meeting other communities, and communication (also, remember radios are Sirius symbols, and Alexandriaās radio originally came from the Radio Shack in 8x11, which I just talked about above)
But more importantly, we see Judith fixing Darylās vest. This is the big one, pay close attention to this. He had been lacking his right wing for some time, but Judith fixed it, and gave him a brand new blue (blue clues theory) wing.
To summarize, Daryl now has TWO wings (roman numerals II, Ā«one oneĀ»), and Judith also decorated it with TEN stars. So that means, that in episode 10x11 Morningstar, foreshadowed by the Ā«X Ā«and the Ā«IIĀ» scar on Daryls back, Daryl got a blue wing (remember the blue heron paintings, and the bluebird in a tree in 9x6) and now has a representation of the numbers X and II on both his skin on his back, but also on his vest.
Confused yet? Sure, I get it. Letās see if I can compress it somewhat:
The blue heron painting from Still foreshadows Bethās survival: Ā«we made itĀ»
Noahsās heron/one one t-shirt foreshadows the blue heron behind Rick in 8x2
The X and II scars on Darylās back foreshadows the blue wing in 10x11 Morningstar
The wings on Darylās vest and the stars Judith added spells out TWO wings, TENĀ stars, or XĀ stars and II wings
The X and the II on Leahās door is a reference to episode 10x11 Morningstar
Morningstar is a reference to Sirius, which returns before dawn after having been Ā«goneĀ»
Sirius is a reference to something that returns.
Sirius represents Bethās return, her āresurrectionā
Which brings me back to the doors of Leahās cabin. We know it was Dog who led Daryl to find the cabin in the first place, and I always interpret dogs as Sirius symbolism by default (see Sirius/North Star master post for details). The one eyed dog from Alone? Sirius symbolism. Daryl opened the door, believing that it was the dog returning. Big mistake. It Ā was walkers. He lost Beth as a consequence. He even says in Find Me that he made a mistake. In the plot he talks about Leah, but IMO on a symbolical level he talks about how his mistake was to open the door in Alone and let the walkers in.
In Find Me, he barged in through the back door of Leahās cabin, and itās obvious to anyone who has ever watched Alone that we now have some super interesting parallel storytelling going on. There are dogs, there are notes. There are even refrigerators, for crying out loud. Iāve been screaming about cooler/frosty/ice/polar bear/ice cream symbolism for literal YEARS. And now we have TPTB placing my sweet baby boy Daryl on top of a freaking refrigerator in the middle of the woods while we watch his sanity getting eclipsed by a ghost of his past losses and failures. It stood out like a huge red flag already weeks before the episode even aired, when the ābehind the scenesā photos dropped.
(Small side note on eclipses BTW: they pass. The sun is Ā«just goneĀ» for a little while. No worries, itās not permanent)
Daryl entering Leahās cabin through the back door also suggests to the audience that weāre not necessarily watching the events as they unfold in chronological order. One could even say weāre watching it unfold backwards. @angelthefirst1 has written a lot about loops and inverted storylines, check out her theories. @galadrieljones has written several great post about Find Me already, definitely take a look at her stuff. And as always @twdmusicboxmystery, our beloved fandom therapist and Theorista Extraordinaire, has already analyzed Find Me in every which way. @wdwayā contibutes with her eagle eyes and elephant memory. We all have our different takes on tings and we all track our individual favorite symbols but I think itās safe to say that we agree on most of the basics of this episode.
For me, the highlight of this episode was when I discovered that the doors in Leahās cabin are yet another representation of the numbers X Ā and II. Because ultimately, the symbolism Iām tracking (see for example the Trunk Resurrection posts) are all about how the show over and over demonstrates to us that sometimes graves are empty. There are āback doorsā (emergency exits so to speak), there are ways to get out of certain difficult situations (such as seemingly dying, but wait a minute, not quite dead after all, hello resurrection )
There are ways to open the Ā«trunkĀ», like Leahās Ā«buriedĀ» picture illustrated to us. It was first sitting on a table, then hidden (buried) and then it was just Ā«goneĀ». Does that remind you of anyone we know? The box with the picture and Darylās note are buried under the floorboards, and also hidden under a deer HIDE.
The fish on the wall marks the Ā«graveĀ» or Ā«tombĀ», it functions as a grave marker here. We see another representation of that when Daryl, in one of the most hilarious scenes in the history of TWD, throws a fish at the wooden front door with the X. I think many of us saw that and immediately recognized it as a parallel to when he threw a bottle of water at Beth in Still, and Iāll elaborate more on that in a later post.
Mostly, I think we were all floored by the absolutely ridiculous amounts of Still/Alone parallels. Dialogue parallels, anti-parallels, asymmetrical parallels (yeah I made up that term), visual parallels, symbolism parallels, inverted parallels. I donāt think there is a single word of dialogue in Find Me thatās not parallel to something from Still/Alone. It shall be very interesting to see how this story continues.
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Hello Ciule and welcome to Behind the Quill, thank-you for sitting down with us for a chat.
SS/HG readers might be familiar with your storiesĀ āAwkwardā andĀ āHeadmasterās Wifeā.Ā
Okay, letās jump right in. What's the story behind your pen name? Well, I sort of took one of my real names, swirled the letters around in the air with my imaginary wand, and I ended up with this. Canāt begin to imagine where I got the idea from... ;-) Later on, I realized that Ciule is actually a name in Romania. I had no idea, but there are people out there carrying this name for real. I guess Iām #sorrynotsorry? Ā Which Harry Potter character do you identify with the most? To be quite frank: No one, really. This is more about the characters I like, than truly identifying with them. I can relate to parts of some of them, but not the whole package. Primarily, I write about Hermione, Voldemort and Severus, and the one common thread between those three is the search for knowledge. Thatās a trait I can identify with, but Iām neither an evil bastard, a grumpy protector nor a fretting, intelligent activist. I am, however, a swot. If you had asked who Iād want to be, the answer is clear. I want to be Albus Dumbledore. Though I canāt agree with the things he did, I feel absolutely certain that heās the one who has the most fun during the books. I want to have that twinkling fun in face of absolute chaos. Ā Do you have a favourite genre to read (not in fic, just in general)? Fantasy! Definitely fantasy. While growing up, I read āeverythingā in every genre, and in my twenties, I decided Iād spend my time reading what I loved the most. So, fantasy it is. Do you have a favourite "classic" novel? You landed me in an existential crisis right there. I mean, thereās so many to choose from! āWuthering Heightsā, I think. It hurts so good. Or maybe āRebeccaā, at least, I loved that when I was younger. Or the fairly obscure āLorna Doone.ā When I was a kid, I wanted to be a film director, shooting Lorna Doone into an epic film. Oh well, there might be a theme in this selection of books which reflects in my writingā¦ At what age did you start writing? The creative process has gone on since forever. Iāve told myself thousands of stories in my head, but rarely written anything down. At the age of ten, I had a co-writing project with one of my friends. We created this secret room in her basement, and painstakingly wrote a ānovelā. It was fun, though the writing ended as it became too cold down in the basement during winter. How did you get into writing fanfiction? In 2009, I became completely obsessed with a TV-show in the last episode. I was watching the entire series, casually enjoying the murder mystery, and in the last episode, the villain said: āI can do the math,ā and I was literally gone. That obsession sparked writing my first fanfic stories. Those stories are still on FFnet, but they arenāt any good. *shrugs* What's the best theme you've ever come across in a fic? Is it a theme represented in your own works? Compromise. The world isnāt a perfect place, and will never be. You can, however, make it more to your liking. It may not be perfect, but if you play the cards you are dealt, you might improve something. In Robert Jordanās āthe Wheel of Timeā-series, one of the characters goes through a test in a parallel universe of sorts, and she thinks: āThe world was not what she wanted, not anywhere near it.ā I loved that: trying your best to make things as you want them to be in the face of dangers and difficulties. Ā And then thereās time travel! I love messing with time, and there are so many great Time-travelling fics. Plus, I have to say I have a certain love for the villains... Ā What fandoms are you involved in other than Harry Potter? Currently, Iām not writing for any other fandoms. I read Star Wars, GoT, POTO and LOTR, and in the past I read Smallville. Though itās more of a type of ship for me, because I only read Reylo, SanSan, Erik/ Christine, Lex/Lana and ā¦.drum rollā¦ the extremely small and quite oddball ship of Eowyn/ GrƬma Wormtongue. If youāve never tried the last one, go search for the fantastic stories by auri_mynonys. If you could make one change to canon, what would it be? Do you have a favourite piece of fanon? One change: duh, thatās easy, isnāt it? Severus lives. Or, maybe Dumbledore acting more rational, not keeping so many secrets. Maybe telling McGonagall that Severus is on the Orderās sideā¦ (Interviewer is laughing - āNOT so easyā) I do write Voldemort wins AUs, but I wouldnāt want canon Voldemort to win. I prefer him to be more sane than in canon. My absolute favourite piece of fanon has to be the Black library. I thought it was canon, but itās not. This is a thing that really, really should exist in canon! Do you listen to music when you write or do you prefer quiet? Iām very much inspired by music, and sometimes I listen as I write, but not always. Some fics are heavily inspired by music, such as āAbsenceā and the last epilogue to āThe Manipulation of Time and Matterā. What are your favourite fanfictions of all time? Definitely āTwo Steps from Hell,ā by the amazing Ssserpensssotia, but thatās a Volmione. This was such a wild ride, I felt like I was on the edge of my seat, holding my breath the entire time. Those twists and turns were so unpredictable and ā¦ Well, Iām in awe. The SS/HG fandom is so massive, thereās a plethora of great stories out there. The unfinished āSelf-Slain Gods on Strange Altarsā is a wonderful story by scumblackentropy, and I love Slytherpoufs stories, especially the wip āGhostsā, but also āAngels to Flyā. And then thereās the one that got away - it means, I canāt find it. In this story, Severus watches the thestrals, befriending one of them, I think, but theyāre unpredictable and maybe even dangerous. Heās heartbroken, and knows how it all will go down, having bitterly accepted his role. It made me cry. And then thereās the works by Aurette, and lena1987, Subversa, Kittenshiftā¦ Are you a plotter or a pantser? How does that affect your writing process? I need (strike that: want) to draft the entire story before I post, to have some idea on how it goes. That makes it easier to write, but if itās a long story, Iām happy as long as I know the general direction. This year, I finished a story that was on an unintended hiatus for two years, and I think part of my problem on getting back into writing it up was a too vague idea for the ending. Ā What is your writing genre of choice? Uh. I donāt know? Basically, you could argue that Iām a porn writer, or at least itās fuelled by sexual tension and angst. So, romance or drama, bordering on erotica might be correct. To be frank, I havenāt really thought about categories after I started posting on AO3. Which of your stories are you most proud of? Why? Hard to say. I might go with āthe Manipulation of Time and Matter,ā because I think itās the best plot Iāve created. Besides, I managed to write Hermione having a relationship with both Severus and Voldemort in the same fic. My favourite ācleanā SSHG would be the short story āGrimmauldā. Did it unfold as you imagined it or did you find the unexpected cropped up as you wrote? What did you learn from writing it? In Grimmauld, the house became a character. That was unexpected, and not something I had planned from the beginning. So the lesson would be ādonāt start posting until you know whatās going to happen.ā Or else, this story might have turned out very much different. I had to throw in a little made-up lore on how you set blood wards on a house too to make it sentient. That proved to be a quite chilling piece of magic. Ā How personal is the story to you, and do you think that made it harder or easier to write? I love old houses. Exploring abandoned houses, going inside to see what remains of furniture, tapestries and everything is so exciting. (It can also be dangerous, but thatās another matter). Such houses makes me feel .. nostalgic, plus I get those nice little shivers down your spine that is a little like a horror story. So, I wanted to use Grimmauld as a setting to explore that in a fic, to really dig into the aching loneliness of a lost house. The story came very quickly to me, so I guess that helped me. Ā What books or authors have influenced you? How do you think that shows in your writing? Big question there. Hmm, I think ā¦ itās hard to say. Iām a reader, really, and I couldnāt easily pick apart any influences. Though I have to say that one of the things I enjoyed when reading āTwo Steps From Hellā was the attention to magic. I think itās important to include spells, rituals and the use of magic in my fics, because thatās what sets it apart from a Muggle AU, for example. Thatās an important part of the world-building. Ā Do people in your everyday life know you write fanfiction? My significant other knows. I didnāt tell him, but he found out for himself, probably by spying on me. When he told me, I almost couldnāt stop laughing, because heā¦ erm, he said he had thought about reenacting a scene in my PWP āTwenty Points to Gryffindorā, where Severus shouts the title as heā¦ wellā¦ you get the gist. If he had done that, Iād have had a heart attack. I would literally be dead. Instead, I laughed non stop for an hour. Ā How true for you is the notion of "writing for yourself"? Haha, so true. You spend all those hours in front of your laptop - and if I wasn't motivated by doing it for myself, I canāt even see how Iād force myself through all those hours. Itās fun, though. I do this because I love it. Ā How important is it for you to interact with your audience? How do you engage with them? Just at the point of publishing? Through social media? Very important. I'm on the publishing sites (visible interaction is why I prefer AO3 instead of FFnet) and on Facebook, mainly. I love feedback (as all authors do), and when people form theories or make comments, I get an insight into my own writing. I know how itās going to pan out, but the audience doesnāt, and how they perceive things might be different from how I think it is. At times, it influences how I go forward, mostly because I need to add things, to explain whatās going on. What is the best advice you've received about writing? Donāt post until you know the ending, and remember: the devil on your left shoulder will be at war with the angel on the right side. Listen to the angel telling you to wait a little longer, and not to the devil chanting: āPost, post, post!ā In the end, of course, youāll give in to the devil, regretting it until youāre done. What do you do when you hit writer's block? Read. Read a lot. And read some more. Has anything in real life trickled down into your writing? Certainly. Iām a foodie. For example, everything that Voldemort eats is stuff I love. His food habits are primarily mine, and I love cooking. Ā Do you have any stories in the works? Can you give us a teaser? Itās a short piece, maybe three or four chapters, with the title āTransferenceā. The point of departure from canon is during their time in the tent at DH. Hermione wakes up in a bed, in a room she doesnāt recognize, having no idea where she is, but she spots a large, moving picture on the drawer: Ā Feeling panic rising, she stared hard at the moving and smiling pictures, and her heart leapt into her throat, pulse hammering as she recognized herself in the largest picture. A slightly older Hermione, in a white wedding dress, kissing and laughing at someone who simply had to be a much younger Severus Snape. It had to be him: Long black hair, hooked nose, sallow skin - but then he looked so young, carefree and happy - expressions she had never seen on her dour Professor's face. Beside the picture, there were numerous cards, greetings and well-wishings for their wedding - the date an impossible 21 August 1982, and amongst the cards, the largest one stood out, the black ink showing an elegant handwriting: āDear Hermione and Severus! Best wishes for your wedding, Lord Voldemort.ā Any words of encouragement to other writers? Read and write, in that order. Donāt worry about trolls, because when you contribute something that you created, it makes you so much more than people spending their time just raining on anyoneās parade. You brought something new to the world, theyāre just reacting to things. If someone accuses you of a self-insert, go ahead and lecture them on the intentional fallacy. I promise, you wonāt regret looking it up. ;-) Ā And please, mind the normal physical limits when youāre writing smut. Unless you give the male a stamina potion or put him under the Imperius, itās unlikely that his refractory period allows him to come five times in one hour. Realistic smut is so much more sexy, lol. Thanks again for speaking with us Ciule.
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The Needs of the Many: A Garashir Reading ofĀ āBroken Linkā
Whatās the current definition of stupidity? It might be trying to write meta for a twenty-six year old show. But you know what? Iām doing it anyway. I make questionable fandom choices and regret mostly nothing.
So. Iām still watching Deep Space Nineāabout halfway through season five, but with pretty much every spoiler under my belt considering I have no patience and dove straight into the ficāand I am, without a doubt, absolute garashir trash. Now this is important because as I watch Iāve been on the lookout for all the major scenes and episodes that the fans like to talk about, those that catch our attention for obvious reasons: āPast Prologue,ā āThe Wire,ā āOur Man Bashir,ā and the like. However, through my (admittedly cursory) browsing these last few months, Iāve been surprised to find no one talking about season fourās finale āBroken Link.ā
On the surface it makes sense. Though Garak gets one of his all too rare episodes, weāve past the point of no return with Bermanās homophobia and our two lovesick faves arenāt interacting as much as they once did. RIP.Ā
Thus, itās easy to pass over Garak doing another Bad Thing in the name of his Cardassian devotion, especially when the Bad Thing is circumvented thanks to Worf instead of Julian. However, whatās nagged at me since watching that scene is one simple, yet significant detail.
Julian was down on that planet.
Quick re-cap for those of us who havenāt watched in a while: the Defiant is taking Odo back to the Great Link in order to cure him of the disease they saddled him with in the first place (nice, huh?). Garak realizes that this may be the one and only time they have all the Founders together and potentially vulnerable. He tries to gain control of the Defiantās weaponry, but is ultimately discovered and stopped by Worf. Sorry, Garak. You might be surprisingly fit for just a plain, simple tailor, but youāve got nothing on a battle-obsessed Klingon.
All caught up? Fantastic. Now, all around itās not a terrible plan. There are just two potential issues. The first is the whole, you know, genocide thing. Some of us tend to frown at that, no matter how much good eliminating the Founders might do moving forward. Beyond that pesky little moral issue, we have the problem that Odo, Sisko, and Julian are all down on the planetās surface, their deaths a surety if Garak manages to succeed in his plan. This is acknowledged too, so we canāt live with the happy assumption that Garak just wasnāt informed about who was accompanying Odo on this particular mission:
Worf: And what about Odo, and Captain Sisko and Doctor Bashir?
Garak: They'll die. And once the Jem'Hadar ships realize what we're doing, so will we. But what are our lives compared to saving the entire Alpha Quadrant?
From a shipping perspective it doesnāt look too good. After all, how loving is your duo if one can so easily sacrifice the other, without a momentās hesitation orādare we imagine itāa single tear in sight? Itās a rather grim picture, the sort of scene that jars shippers out of their lovely little pockets, carefully crafted worlds where suspension of disbelief runs wild. The show-runners may not have had the balls to make anything canon until 2017 (good god), but provided the characters in question donāt actively sabotage the relationship, thereby leaving room for imagining something more, youāre good to go. No such luck with this scene.
At least, it appears that way at first glance. It occurs to me that there are a couple of potential readings if we feel inclined to reach for them. I find it notable that Garak is already thinking to the next logical consequence. That is, JemāHadar ships bearing down on them, him meeting his own demise soon after Julian. Thereās admittedly something romantic in that. The willingness to let your loved one go, safe in the knowledge that youāll be quick to join them. We could even argue that Garak isnāt thinking straight in this moment. We know heās a proud man devoted to his people, exile aside, and right before this he has a rather gutting conversation with the primary Founder:
Founder: They're dead. You're dead. Cardassia is dead. Your people were doomed the moment they attacked us. I believe that answers your question.
So, as far as Garak knows, entire fleetsĀ of his people were killed in their last battle, including his fatherāquite the emotional blow, even if Tain was an absolute shit dad. Heās also received confirmation of what the Federation has long suspected, that the Dominion isnāt content to keep the Alpha Quadrant out of their business, but has every intention of seizing control and, given their history, eliminating rather than assimilating it, to quote the Borg. Youāre dead. Your entire species is dead. Everyone else you associate with, even those insidious humans, are dead. Itās only a matter of time. As Garak has pointed out seasons earlier, he knows when to cut his losses and that was one hell of a āresistance if futileā speech. If the rest of the quadrant has any hope of survival, now is the time to cut those lossesāincluding Julian.Ā
Which I actually really love.Ā
Because itās true to Garakās character. Heās a complicated, morally gray guy, just the sort to blow himself and his shop up in the hopes of saving his life. Or justify killing the entirety of one species to ensure the survival of many. As much as we (or at least I) would have loved a dramatic declaration of love, the realization that he canāt target the Founders no matter how necessary it may seem because his Julian would be caught in the crossfireā¦ thatās just not Garak. Just as importantly, itās not Julian either. See, I think this scene pairs rather well with āOur Man Bashir.ā We can come up with the same sort of potential readings for why Julian was willing to shoot someone heāfrom the shipperās perspectiveāis already head over heels in love with: heās a doctor and had every confidence in his ability to keep Garak alive until they get out of the holosuite. Heās genetically enhanced and has superb aim, knowing heāll only create a flesh wound. He was really trying to hit the wall and fucked that one up badly whoops, etc. Regardless of those headcanons though, canonically speaking Julian did shoot him and thatās all there is to it. More specifically, he shot Garak to make sure that Sisko, Kira, Worf, OāBrien, and Jadzia survived, a sacrificing the one to save the many situation, much like Garakās plan. Or, to put it another way:Ā
Spirk is the ultimate standard for all other Star Trek ships, if not, for many, shipping in general. Lots of fans have already pointed out the similarities between the sickbay hand clasp in Star Trek: The Motion Picture and Julianās moment of forgiveness in āThe Wire,āĀ
but thereās another parallel between Spockās iconic sacrifice and the choices made in DS9. āLogic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the fewā to which Kirk answers, āOr the one.ā This is the same logic that our new duo is abiding by.Ā
Though a notorious liar, weāre left with nothing else that challenges Garakās wordsāhe truly seems to believe that the Alpha Quadrantās safety is worth sacrificing those on the Defiant for. Though a doctor through and through, weāre left with Julianās steady hand and blood on Garakās neckāhe truly seems to believe that potentially losing one friend is worth assuredly saving five. Neither one is willing to compromise their morals for the other and I personally think that speaks to a healthy amount of respect, both for themselves and each other. In the same way that Garak embraces Julianās Federation-style optimism and Julian comes to understand that lies are how Garak communicates, they simply and completely accept one another. That includes saying through actions if not words, āI love you, but Iām not going to let that love compromise my core beliefs.ā Neither is the type to let love interfere with what they perceive as their duty, but that doesnāt mean the love doesnāt exist.Ā
Of course, if we follow the spirk parallel, that devotion to the many is later challenged. In The Search for Spock Kirk reverses the logic and justifies his journey with, āBecause the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many.ā Anyone who reads any of my metas knows that Context Is a Thing and in this case the context for both films is personal sacrifice. Spock chooses to sacrifice himself to save the Enterprise. Kirk and the others choose to risk their lives and their careers to get Spock back. These are markedly different situations from what Julian and Garak shoulder: sacrificing one another for the many. If you love someone, then giving up your life for them is easy. Having that action save a whole bunch of other people along the way? Icing on the cake. You die knowing that youāve done the heroic deed and your better half lives on. But can you harm your other half to uphold your oath as a doctor? Can you kill them to save millions of others? Iād argue that Julian and Garak have the far more difficult choice and both of them managed to answer, āYes.ā Itās a testament to their characterization and, given their strong ethics, precisely how well they fit together. They know where the other stands, what they mean to one anotherā¦and when they canāt afford to prioritize that love over everyone else.Ā
In the end, neither even knew that their sacrifice would pay off. If Garak had succeeded in gaining control of the Defiantās weaponry he might have found that the Founders had another trick up their sleeve to ensure their survival, leaving him with a dead Julian and an unharmed foe. Julian doesnāt know if he and Garak will be able to survive the holosuite programāor what might happen to the others if they perish. He might end up losing everyone, himself included. Neither has any assurances when they make their decision and that to me makes it that much more meaningful. Theyāre both acts of determination and faith. And from a narrative standpoint (with help from a healthy dose of Plot Armor) theyāre both rewarded for that faith. Garak isnāt forced to kill Julian. Julianās shot harmlessly skims Garakās neck. They made the hard call, lost little, and in the case of āOur Man Bashir,ā gained a healthy dose of respect for what the other was capable of.Ā
I think thatās pretty damn neat.Ā
Right. Thank you for coming to my decades late TED Talk. PeaceĀ āļø
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Current Watch- Isekai Review
Season: Fall 2019
Anime:Ā Ascendance of a Bookworm Genre: Isekai/Fantasy Plot: ā vid bookworm and college student Motosu Urano ends up dying in an unforeseen accident. This came right after the news that she would finally be able to work as a librarian like she had always dreamed of. When she regained consciousness, she was reborn as Myne, the daughter of a poor soldier. She was in the town of Ehrenfest, which had a harsh class system. But as long as she had books, she didn't really need anything else. However, books were scarce and belonged only to the nobles. But that doesn't stop her, so she makes a decision... Ā "If there aren't any books, I'll just create ā Thoughts: I freaking love this one!!!! It starts off in a sorta slow pace, but itās so you can gain an understanding of characters, build of the setting and situation of this fantasy-like world. Unlike other isekai fantasy adventuring types, Ascendance of a Bookworm is focused on the protagonistās thirst for knowledge and to read books. From the first episode we are shown that Myne succeeds in creating her own book, and we are looking into her memories of how it all began. Before I knew it, after each episode I was craving the next episode to see Myneās dream come true. Each character she meets have importance throughout the story. Heart goes out to Lutz as best boi <3 Overall this series is a refreshing stance of the isekai genre while still being intriguing, fun, and clever. A High recommend for a steady series and canāt wait for Season 2!! Rate: ā„ ā„ ā„ ā„ ā„Ā [5/5]
Anime: High School Prodigies Have It Easy Even In Another World Genre: Isekai/Fantasy/Fan-service Plot: āSeven high school students are involved in an airplane crash. When they woke up, they found themselves in a parallel world where magic and beastmen exist. Of course, they panicked at their sudden unexpected predicament... or not? Instead, they create a power plant in a world that doesn't have electricity, they did a little extra work and managed to take economic control over a metropolis, they managed to repay their gratitude to some oppressed citizens by upending a corrupt government, and basically do whatever they feel like?!ā Overall Thoughts: If you donāt mind turning your brain off to have something to occasionally watch and donāt mind the fan-services moments, this one isnāt too bad. Far as story- Whatās probably something than can turn you off is the characters. Most of them donāt have much depth to their characters and their abilities are exaggeratedly over the top. And no, I donāt mean exaggerated for high school kids, but for any humanly possible. A samurai female running along side and guiding a missile sort of over the top- Itās one of those, you either hate it or love it. ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ And fans are probably there for the ecchi moments. (which I didnāt initially realize there was so much of it until looking back) Rate: ā„ ā„ ā„ ā” ā” [3.5/5]
Anime: Didn't I say to make my abilities average in the next life Genre: Isekai/Fantasy/Comedy/Adventure Plot: āKurihara Misato was a little more capable than other high school girls, and as a result, she was always alone and couldn't live her life the way she wanted. When she was reincarnated in another world after a tragic accident, she wanted a chance to make normal friends and live a normal life. So she asked God for one thing... "Give me abilities that are average for that world!" But the abilities God gave her were not "average" at all... And now this girl, who's been reborn in a world where magic is real, struggles to find simple, ordinary happinessā Overall Thoughts: This is a really fun one. I really like how Milieās friends look like they would be your stereotype party members but donāt follow that mold. The comedy is very well received and Milieās Anime references was a blast to see. I personally about died over her using āspirit gunā. The four girls are all sweet and wonderful watch. Another high praised series for the season. Rate: ā„ ā„ ā„ ā„ ā„ [5/5]
Anime: Welcome to Demon School! Iruma-kun Genre: Isekai/Fantasy/Comedy/ShÅnen Plot: āThe story follows the life of Iruma Suzuki, a 14-year-old human boy, who is sold to a demon by his parents. The demon is known as Sullivan, who takes Iruma to the Demon World and officially adopts him as his grandson. He then enrolls Iruma in the Babyls School for Demons where Sullivan is the headmaster, and where Iruma quickly befriends the demons Alice Asmodeus and Clara Valac. However, Sullivan tells Iruma to never reveal that he is a human, since he will be eaten if anyone finds out that he is not a demon. Iruma then vows to blend in during his time in the Demon World, although he only stands out due to all the situations and adventures that arise.ā Overall Thoughts: A lighthearted series of fun adventures of Iruma attending a demon school. Although not a new concept (Hells, Rosairo+Vampire, etc) but with it being a shonen type, itās quite a fun watch with light hearted moments. Personally, I find the lack of depth of the setting and backgrounds to be a bit too vague- but is fine for a casual watch, colorful characters, and comical moments. Rate: ā„ ā„ ā„ ā„ ā” [4.5/5]Ā
Anime: Kemono Michi: Rise Up Genre: Comedy/Isekai/Fantasy Plot: āGenzo, Japan's number one animal-loving pro-wrestler, gets transported to another world where magical beasts run rampant. In order to save the kingdom, the princess asks him to rid the world of the beasts, but he refuses and wants to save them instead! Genzo opens a pet shop for his new beast friends, but he gets too attached to them and is unable to sell them which leads to constant financial problems for his new shop! Join Genzo and his cute demi-human employees as they find loving homes for the many beasts of the kingdom!ā Overall Thoughts: While the wrestling aspect is what truly drew me in, this one can be a bit close to the Furry/Bestiality line... often... Itās a fun nonsensical series that isnāt too high strong on the ādeath the demon lordā route. I did find this one to be fun despite a couple of running gags feeling a bit stale after the 2nd time. Rate: ā„ ā„ ā„ ā„ ā” [4/5]
Anime: The Hero Is Overpowered But Overly Cautious Genre: Comedy/Isekai/Fantasy Plot: āIn the world of Gaeabrande, Goddess Ristarte is tasked with summoning a hero to save her world. The hero, Seiya Ryuuguuin, is an OVERLY cautious hero whoās obsessed with muscle training and buying armor before setting out to deal with low level creatures. Itās simply one overly cautious mission at-a-time for this invincible hero!ā Overall Thoughts: This one... Literally this gif image sums up the entire series- I personally was getting tired of some of the āoverly cautiousnessā gags, but it soon shifted. Although still cautious, it was more clear (for the audience) to see there was more to this hero. And then I got towards the final 2 episodes... Iāll say this is one show thatās gonna continue to haunt me. Final Thought: Itās worth finishing tbh. Rate: ā„ ā„ ā„ ā„ ā” [4.5/5]
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Skam season 3, episode 10 (season finale) reaction
Finally I got this done! Sorry it took such a long time to wrap up this season, Iāve just been tired and busy over the last month. And, you know, maybe I wasnāt in a rush to say goodbye to S3 again.
Thank you for everyone who has been reading these and commenting, liking, reblogging, etc. I have gotten so many wonderfully kind remarks on these posts, and I loved hearing peopleās own thoughts on their S3 viewing experience or their interpretation of the story. Not to sound overly dramatic, but it made my day to hear from you. Also, I am aware these posts are not short, lmao, so thank you for taking the time to read my ramblings.Ā
Also want to thank @skamenglishsubs for doing the subtitled episodes and for contributing clarifications on Norwegian language!
Episode 10
Clip 1 - Minutt for minutt
This is my favorite clip in all of Skam.
O Helga Natt is breath-taking, cinematic, and spectacular. I cried buckets when I saw it the first time, but Minutt for minutt is the clip that puts tears in my eyes every single time I watch it. It is simple, honest, and kind. Itās in this clip that I truly feel like everything is going to be okay.
If O Helga Natt is a parallel scene to 21:21, its mirror in structure and symbolism, then Minutt for minutt is a parallel to Hjernen er alene. In both clips we open on Isak and Even in bed Saturday morning, and the camera doesnāt leave the bed except with the presence of an outsider to the Evak sphere (Eskild in Hjernen er alene, Sonja in Minutt for minutt). In both clips Isakās bed is a safe zone, a place of comfort for both the boys. In Hjernen er alene we are introduced to Evenās depressive tendencies via hints; in Minutt for minutt we confront them head-on. In Hjernen er alene, Even seems to be the one doing more of the comfort-giving role, holding Isak and stroking his back as Isak talks about what lead him to move into the flat, while Isak doesnāt really understand Evenās hints at depression; In Minutt for minutt itās Isakās turn to take on the role of comforting and holding Even, aware of what Even is going through. In Hjernen er alene, Even asks if he can stay with Isak forever; in Minutt for minutt, Isakās lesson learned is not to think about the future, or forever, but to take things one day at at time.
Does anyone else get chills as the piano starts over the black screen, before we even get to Isak and Even? Itās so haunting.Ā
The song, āLanternā by The White Birch, is so beautiful and sets the tone of the scene perfectly. Itās gentle, like resting in bed, watching someone sleep. Itās not too forceful or overwhelmingly powerful, but calm and careful.Ā This is one of my favorite soundtrack choices in the series.Ā Ā
Thereās one lyric in particular that encapsulates part of what I love about this scene:
I prayed for newborn skies / to lift me up so highĀ
What I think I love about this song choice, and specifically about this lyric, is that itās not even about everything being okay, or Isak being in love with Even and standing by him. It is about hope. Praying for things to get better. Hoping they will. But itās a prayer, not a promise. And itās that sentiment that really moves me. Because of course Isak will be here for Even, of course Isak will try to make things right, as best as he can. But when it comes down to it, there is no guarantee that things will be okay. Everything may fall apart. What matters, what makes this scene so incredibly moving that Iām tearing up just typing about it, is having full knowledge that failure is an option, but believing itās still worth it to try anyway. Itās worth it to keep a vigil over the person that you love as they go through the dark hours. Thereās something very selfless and brave about it.
Just as an aside, I enjoyed how you saw the lighting change at various points in the clip to show the sun coming up - that makes sense with the literal passage of time, obviously, but also as a reflection of the songās lyrics. Hoping for those newborn skies, waiting for the sun to come out. Getting through the darkness.Ā
We cut from the black screen to Isak in bed, facing Even, eyes open, while Even sleeps. That one image says it all. If you were wondering what happened after O Helga Natt, Isak took Even home and they went to bed and Isak watched over him. Heās determined to make sure Even is okay.
I remember people were really relieved that Even was finally getting some sleep, after dealing with insomnia all season (his manic episode, as well as āI donāt sleep cuz sleep is the cousin to deathā) and then other people explained that no, itās not really that great. Itās not just about Even getting some rest, itās that heās depressed so he doesnāt have the energy to do more than sleep.
Sleep is such a recurring image this season, too, something we see both Isak and Even struggle with, for different reasons. Weāve seen Isak sleep, especially when he had Even in his bed, but so far we havenāt seen Even sleep at all. I think Isak got a lot of peace at certain points when his relationship with Even seemed to be on a good path (not to mention when issues with his family and friends werenāt so fraught), but Evenās big issue has been hanging over his head all season, until this point. It makes sense weāve never seen him asleep.
I love that theyāre so still, Even because heās asleep, obviously, but Isak is just lying there watching Even. So steadfast. Like heās so relieved to have him back, and aware of how lucky he is, but also aware that he needs to be there for him, that the hard part isnāt over.
Similar to the hotel scene, we cut to black again, to signify the passage of time, or periods of rest (Isak closes his eyes in the first shot like heās drifting off). But we cut back to the bed when Even rolls over, as if that startled Isak back to full consciousness.
When Even rolls over, some of his back is exposed, and Isak tries to stretch the blanket and smooth it down so that Even is covered. That little gesture punches a hole in my soul. Itās so small, and like, itās not even gonna work with the way that comforter is positioned, but he has to do this one tiny thing, anything to make Even more comfortable. Itās so nurturing and attentive.
Then we black out again and when we come back, Isak has used himself to cover the exposed part of Evenās back where the comforter wonāt rest. Heās spooning Even to keep him warm. One of my favorite images. One of the smallest gestures and one of the most meaningful.
We get Isak lying on his back looking at Even and holding his phone to his chest as the song ends. Heās clearly considering contacting someone, and soon Isak texts Sonja. Heās very polite, considering where they left off in the hotel clip. Heās being responsible, knowing that Evenās parents might be worried about him, especially since Even is depressed - I mean, who knows what Even was doing or what happened earlier in the week? I hope that Even didnāt also leave his parents suicide notes or anything - I doubt it, honestly. I think if he had, theyād be a lot more frantic, Sonja would know and would be calling Isak.
Isak also apologizes and says that heās sorry if Even isnāt well because of him. First of all, ouch that Isak would even think this? I know why he would, Sonja implied as much, that Isak was making Evenās condition worse, and Evenās text message suggests that some of this sadness is related to Isak even if itās not necessarily Isakās fault, if you get me. It stings. But also - consider reading that from Sonjaās POV. I think now that sheās had time to cool down from the hotel incident, she might realize that her words to Isak were harsher than necessary. And possibly sheās realized since then that Even really does love Isak. Sheās had time to think about it or observe Even this week and realize that itās not just mania causing those feelings. So reading that, she might understand that she should apologize to Isak.
Look how small Even looks in bed, by the way. This whole scene is such a turnaround from the charming, confident Norwegian James Dean we have seen previously in the season, the guy that got Isakās (and our) attention in the first place. Weāve gotten glimpses of Evenās more vulnerable side, but nothing compared to what we see here and in O Helga Natt.
After sending the text, Isak just lies there with the phone on his chest, as if he wants it to be there at a momentās notice in case he hears back from her.Ā When the phone starts to ring, Isak gets out of bed. Again, the only time the camera leaves the closeup of the two of them in bed is when an outsider bursts the Evak bubble. (Also, Isak goes into the hall doesnāt shut the bedroom door; itās like he wants to be aware of Even at all times and be there for him the moment he starts to wake up.)
The acting between Tarjei and Theresa on the phone is really good. I donāt know if how they recorded this conversation, if Julie had them act off each other or if they recorded separately, but I think they nailed the tone of it, especially at the beginning. This is an awkward conversation, but not an angry one. Isak is talking to someone who lashed out at him. Sonja is talking to someone she lashed out at, and is regretting it. They didnāt end on a good note last time. Plus, you know, Even dumped Sonja for Isak. Still that factor. Automatic awkward.
Just a note: Theresa had a tough role this season. For much of it she was playing the obstacle, the person you yell at to go away when she shows up in episode 2 and interrupts the developing Evak relationship (well, maybe not you personally, but Iāve seen my fair share of Skam reactions on YouTube). We donāt know much about Sonja, Even paints her in a negative light, sheās not the one weāre rooting for. So in a lot of ways, that was a pretty thankless task. However, I think she did a good job with the material she was given, and in this last scene of hers manages to give her character a lot of humanity.Ā
Listen to that awkward āhiā from both of them. Sonja sounds tired or resigned.Ā She explains that Even sent his parents a text message. So sheās in touch with his parents. I wonder if Even disappeared Friday night (or earlier that day) and it got them worried, so they were already texting about it. Because otherwise Iām not sure how Sonja would know so quickly that Even sent his parents a text. Maybe if Even texted her and said donāt worry, I let my parents know where I am. (Thereās just a ton that I want to know about this relationship between Even and Sonja - I donāt ship it in the slightest, and obviously itās a mess in its current state, but itās so important to Evenās backstory and his state of mind going into this season that Iād love a further peek at it.)
Now with the issue of the text message out of the way, that actually should be the end of the conversation, no? The technical business is sorted out. They could just ignore the emotional bits. But Sonja says she called to apologize for last time. Isak sounds genuinely surprised about this. I really think he didnāt harbor any resentment toward her at all? In fact, I donāt recall Isak blaming Sonja for anything during this season. At most heās sad when sheās with Even, and I guess he might resent her as someone who has what he canāt, but itās not like he hates her personally. And he didnāt seem upset that she said what she did because of her.Ā
But he says itās fine so quickly. She says she didnāt mean to get angry with him, that it wasnāt his fault at all, and he says he understands that she was just worried. See, this is why I like Isak. Despite his rough demeanor, he listens to people. He has empathy.
And itās why I like Sonja, too, despite her being a minor character and despite her flaws. She got that she took out her feelings in the heat of the moment on Isak. Even though Isak did wrong her by cheating with Even (and I mean, thatās mostly on Even but Iām of the opinion that if you hook up with someone you know has a significant other, you are doing wrong by that other person, you shouldnāt do that to someone) she still apologized for the part where she had faltered.
Sonja is just kind of like, Mm, after Isak says that he understands she was worried. I think this is a tough conversation, obviously. She probably doesnāt really want to do it for various reasons - itās not fun to apologize, especially over something so delicate, and sheās talking to her ex boyfriendās new boyfriend, the person he chose over her. But she makes a point of saying itās not Isakās fault Even is depressed, as Isak suggested in his text. Heās bipolar. She really sounds resigned, in my opinion. She has dealt with Evenās bipolar disorder for a while, she has taken care of him, for better or worse. But she wasnāt able to fix him, and now sheās having to let him go. Still, this is kindness from her. Sheās not letting Isak blame himself for something she knows isnāt accurate.
I think Sonja really wants to get off the phone at this point, since itās probably really hard for her on multiple levels, but Isak asks her if he should get Even to his parents. Right now, through this episode, heās thinking about whatās best for Even. Heās not going to force Even to do what Isak thinks is best for him, but heās still got that in mind.Ā
I donāt know exactly when Isak made the connection between his comment about not wanting to be around mentally ill people and Even then breaking things off with him and later hiding that he was bipolar from Isak - Iām sure he figured it out. But I think Isak is also keeping that moment in mind this episode. I think he realized he had been shitty about that, and heās trying to make up for it. He has to prove that heās staying by Evenās side and that he was wrong, heās not better without mentally ill people in his life.
Sonja says that she thinks itās best for Even to be with Isak. You know ā¦ think about the implications of that statement. A week ago she was telling Isak to stay away. I wonder if in the week thatās followed, sheās seen Even, possibly when he was very depressed, and realized Even really did love Isak and want to be with him. I wonder if sheās thought about Evenās behavior when he was with Isak. I wonder if sheās reconsidered not just Even and Isakās relationship, now that sheās not stressed and worried in a moment of crisis, but Isak as well. I mean, here Isak is contacting her and telling her about Evenās whereabouts. Heās being responsible, and heās looking out for Even. Heās not just this irresponsible kid whoās making Even smoke weed or whoās so helpless and ignorant she has to come fix things. Isak might have more potential than she realized. And I think she also sees that sheās not the only one who can support Even, that she has to let go of him, and Even should be with the person he really wants to be with.
Isak smiles a little after she says that. Itās just a brief statement from her but he knows that thereās a ton of meaning behind that, considering what she told him last time - sheās changed her mind. How good it must feel for him to hear that from Sonja, Evenās long-term girlfriend, that itās good for Even to be with Isak. His reaction is a mixture of pride and happiness, maybe. Itās implicit approval of their relationship, implicit acceptance that Even has moved on from Sonja and is now with Isak. That itās real between Even and Isak and not just a sick idea in his head.
By now Sonja really wants to get off the phone, lmao, but Isak still isnāt done. He asks whether thereās anything he can do for Even. When Sonja says, āNot really,ā it makes me sad for her? Like I can tell behind that statement, thereās someone who really loved/loves Even and watched him go through hell and deal with depression, and has realized by now that you canāt just snap him out of it. Sheās sad that thereās not more she or anyone can do for him. It makes you think about her actions - and Iām not justifying her being controlling or trying to tell Even how he feels, but you have to wonder if she hoped she could just snap him out of his worst periods. If she wishes she could have done more but realizes she couldnāt. Man, I find Sonja so interesting despite being having such a small amount of screen time!
āYou just have to be there for him.ā
Sonja gives some of the best advice in the series. Sheās been there with Even in the bad times. When everything seems hopeless, just take it one day at a time. Then an hour, then a minute. That says so much about how hard it can get, that sometimes even an hour is too much to bear, you have to go down to just a minute.Ā Like both she and Even went through this, it seemed hopeless for both of them, Even in his depression and Sonja watching him be depressed. That advice is simple but so powerful. Itās so hopeful and such a good way of approaching pain and depression. Itās good advice for anyone struggling, really, not just people who are bipolar or depressed.
As some who has been depressed and who has dealt with a lot of other mental illness BS ... this is one of the most helpful pieces of advice Iāve ever gotten from media. Something that happens when you deal with depression is that suddenly everything becomes magnified in a bad way, and set in stone in a hopeless way. Itās not just that things are bad today, itās that they will never get better. Itās not just that you messed up this one thing, itās that youāve destroy everything in your whole life and youāre going to continue to ruin the rest of it. Your brain traps you in this endless cycle of your past mistakes and your current mistakes and that propels you into your future mistakes, until everything seems bleak. Taking things minute by minute is a way to approach life and its struggles in a more manageable way, it helps to remember that when everything seems too big.
In my last post about episode 9, I included a draft of a post that I wrote about O Helga Natt back in 2016. I also found one that I wrote in either late 2016/early 2017, that referred to this clip.
iāve been really depressed lately - for no reason, just because thatās how my brain works - and i want to thank the Norwegian teenies for coming along at just the right time, because the way Skam depicted mental illness and especially Evenās depressive episode in the last two episodes actually helped me and I canāt think of the last time a work of fiction gave me some good life advice that genuinely made me feel better
iām not sure if this was the intended wisdom but not only did āminutt by minuttā help, just the depiction of a depressed character having a string of shitty days and this being ā¦ kind of a normal thing - that helped. not that you should be tolerating depression as just a thing youāll get through, donāt seek treatment for it, bootstraps etc. but in the sense that yeah, sometimes you have bad periods with depression, some days hit you harder than others. but getting to hear about Isak and the flat taking care of Even and Sonjaās being kind of matter-of-fact about it ā¦ honestly, that gave me the ability to look at my own bad days as something that i can handle.
the day after Christmas, I didnāt want to get out of bed, I was so tired and empty and I couldnāt even focus on watching Netflix or whatever. but instead of getting lost in my own negative thoughts, I was able to process it as, āOK, this is not going to be a good day. Instead of trying to punish yourself for not feeling good, just accept that this isnāt going to be a good day, and thatās fine. You donāt have to feel like you wasted a day. You can get through this and start again tomorrow.ā and that was specifically due to what happened in episode 10. So I want to thank this show for making me feel a little better.
The music starts again over Sonjaās speech, as Isak watches over Even sleeping again. Keeping a vigil, keeping the lanterns lit.
Even stirs and finally wakes up. He takes a moment to take in his surroundings and remember that, oh yeah, heās with Isak at his place. He seems like he finds it hard to look at Isak and quickly averts his gaze and looks at the ceiling, the wall, not at Isak. Probably because he still canāt believe heās here, with Isak, and probably because of what he says to him in a moment - heās convinced he will hurt Isak, he thinks he doesnāt deserve to have Isak here with him.
I know that the thing with Evenās eyes fluttering was apparently just Henrikās random reflex, lmao, but itās very effective and makes him seem like heās struggling to keep them open. He just seems so tired. His normally energetic, charismatic self has been completely drained. Weāve never seen him like this, not even the hints in like the cuddle scene were this strong. Henrik turned off all the light inside of him. Heās staring at nothing.
Not to get super personal again, but his performance in this scene felt so familiar that I got a pain in my gut. I have been in Evenās shoes, I recognize some of how this goes, how you hardly have the strength to muster up speech, or you react more slowly to certain things. He does such an excellent job here. Now that weāve seen the bloopers, too, working out the positions on the bed for this scene, it seems like he was trying very hard to stay in Evenās mindset throughout, which must have been rough.
Isak asks if Even is hungry. Even doesnāt even reply to that. He takes time to answer, like itās harder to focus or collect his thoughts. Like heās drifting. He does ask Isak what time it is after a moment.
Even says, very quietly, that he should go. Because he doesnāt want Isak to lie there and feel like he has to look after him. Even, baby, no. Itās not a burden for Isak to be with you. You arenāt a burden. That says so much about how he feels about himself, that heās a burden, an obligation, something for people to take care of. Heās preventing Isak from doing other things. Again, this is such an accurate depiction of depression. During this scene I got chills because it was so close to my experience, the fatigue, the guilt. The sense of resigned certainty that things were never going to get better. The emptiness.
Isak says he doesnāt feel like heās looking after Even. Heās doing this because he loves Even and wants him to be okay, not because he feels like he has to. But also, why is it wrong for Isak to look after Even? Itās so natural for Isak to want to do so because he loves Even and wants to be a part of his life.
Even says thereās nothing wrong with it, but that he doesnāt want Isak to lie there and feel sad. Basically, he doesnāt want to bring people down with him. Evennnnn. Noooooo.
Isak says heās not sad, quietly. Kinda like how Even said he wasnāt sad in the locker room scene, except in very different contexts. Isak has to do a lot more work to reassure Even here. Isak seems surprised that Even would even think he was sad. Like Isak knows he loves Even, of course he would be here.
Even takes forever to reply. He lets out a heavy sigh. So much sighing, as if itās a struggle. Itās so quiet you can hear him swallowing.
āI just know that this isnāt gonna work.ā This resonates so much. That feeling that you know itās going to end. You just know. Depression brings about such seeming clarity, like you donāt doubt that everything is hopeless, you feel it in your bones. But damn, Even is thinking that it wonāt work out because of him. He already hurt Isak. He wants it to work, he loves Isak, but he thinks it wonāt.
Isak doesnāt get too upset, vocally, but you can tell heās appalled and horrified by this idea. Why on earth would Even say that? Thatās the last thing Isak wants to consider.
āBecause itās true.ā Again, that certainty. Even says heāll hurt Isak and then Isak will hate him. Evenās insecurities and vulnerabilities are so painful! He doesnāt want to hurt Isak, itās something he fears. And he doesnāt want Isak to hate him, because to be hated by someone he loves so much is awful. Like, itāsĀ better in his mind just to cut Isak loose to go find a happy life than to stick around long enough for Isak to resent him (āthe only way to have something forever is to lose itā).
Also something thatās accurate to depression - how easy it is to disregard people telling you that youāre not worthless, how easy it is to forget that people love you and care about you. Isak just ran to Even last night and hugged him and kissed him and made his love abundantly clear, but Even is probably already filing that away as, well, Isak wonāt feel that way for long, Isak will just be sad, itās not worth it.
And then - this incredible moment.
After a long pause, in which Isak lies there considering Even, staring at him, working out what Even is saying - Isak just says, āNo.ā Just no. So forcefully and with such certainty that I want to hug him. Even goes from staring at the ceiling to looking at Isak. Heās taken aback. Maybe he thought Isak might come back at him with more soft words and assurances, butĀ I donāt think he was expecting for Isak to call bullshit.
What I love, love, LOVE about Isakās dialogue here is that itās not like ā¦ flowery or romantic. Itās not a big speech. āI love you, Even, Iāll always be here for you, weāre soulmates,ā etc. All the cliches of a dramatic TV speech. This dialogue is instead so distinctly Isak that itās brilliant. Itās a 17-year-old boy, whoās often blunt and unsentimental, putting his feelings into words that are equally blunt and unsentimental. In a lot of TV shows, these big romantic speeches are generic and interchangeable, they sound the same across canons, within canons, everywhere. Theyāre trying to be epic, but they all sound alike because they come back to the same general grandiose concepts. But this speech? You could not mistake this speech coming from any other character but Isak. Itās so specific to Isak and to Isak/Even.
Isak just directly shuts down all of Evenās catastrophic thinking, his negative outcomes. You donāt know shit about how this is going to end! Well, heās right? Depression makes you certain of hopelessness, and Isak doesnāt sugarcoat it, he cuts right through the cloudy haze and says, nah, you donāt know that.
In Tarjeiās delivery is a touch of fear, like he really wants Even to understand, but in this moment heās afraid Even will pull away again and heāll lose him once more, and thatās coming through. Isak isnāt certain of anything.Ā But thereās also this fierceness and determination, this strength, and thatās what truly makes the moment.Ā
Isak says that maybe a nuke will get dropped on them tomorrow, and this is a waste of time to discuss. Again - heās right! Itās not a bad thing to discuss long-term dynamics of relationships, of course. But Evenās depressive speculation is pointless. You can never predict whatāll happen. This time they spend debating whether Even will hurt Isak - not worth it. Itās time they could spend together, enjoying the moment.
Even is so taken aback, struck by Isakās blunt descriptions and his certainty. Like Isak is not pulling away, heās not letting Even go. Heās just telling Even how itās gonna be.
āSo I suggest you stop talking about the future and then the two of us will take this thing completely chill.ā God. GOD. I love it. You know what? Previously this season, weāve had so many comments about time and forever - Can I stay in here with you forever? and Youāre the man of my life and Even asking how many Isaks and EvensĀ are lying in bed right now and Isak answering infinitely many, in infinite time. Big, sweeping statements about long periods of time. And those are all wonderful and beautiful and romantic. But thereās a lot of underlying pressure in them. You gotta get everything perfect, you gotta be constantly thinking about the long run, everything needs to be epic and big. And in this episode, we whittle down those long overwhelming periods of time, the future, infinity, forever, to the short term. Minute by minute. Now. Living in the present. Not putting these huge standards or expectations on oneself, both good and bad. Which is probably the healthiest approach when youāre teenagers in a relationship.
And Isak is again saying, Iām not letting you push me away, Iām not going to let you overthink this and pull back, Iām not going to let you think youāre a monster. Weāre just going to hang in here together.
Even is stunned by this, he keeps running his eyes over Isakās face as if in disbelief. What is even happening? He didnāt expect this.
And here we get one of the most romantic exchanges I have heard in my life. While Even is processing what Isak said, Isak goes on to say, āLetās play a game. Itās called Isak and Even, minutt for minutt.ā
He puts his hand on Evenās cheek. A little awkwardly, like heās still figuring this out. Like he isnāt entirely certain of what heās doing or if this is going to work, but he has to try, anyway. Even has initiated a lot of the physical contact in the start of their relationship, but hereās Isak initiating, taking charge. He wants Even to feel the touch and understand Isak is here and heās not going anywhere. Heās not sure of everything, but heās determined.
āThe only thing we need to worry about is the next minute.ā Essentially putting Evenās fears at rest, saying, donāt worry about your worst nightmares coming true. Weāre going to get through this together, one minute at a time.Ā
Isak strokes the hair behind Evenās ear. Even whispers, āOK,ā like he can hardly talk, he hardly has the energy. But heās listening to what Isak is saying. Heās not sure this will work, either, but heās willing to try.
āWhat are we going to do this minute?ā / āThis minute weāll kiss.ā End me. One of the most romantic exchanges ever. So simple! So reassuring! Even being so tentative, like maybe heās thinking this just might work! Isak not putting a ton of pressure on Even, proposing just a kiss! Something small and easy that they can feel and understand!
And oh boy, isnāt Evenās reaction gorgeous? The pause and then the smallest smile, the first hint of a smile from him in this clip. Evenās smile is one of the most striking features about him and not seeing makes us thirsty for it. But he gives the tiniest smile, a sign that heās on board, and says thatās chill. Isak says thatās chill. Itās chill, it doesnāt need to be anything else.
They kiss. Isak gets in a nose rub at first. He clutches the side of Evenās face, placing himself there. Even is bundled up in blankets and Isak is firmly planting his hand on Even.
We cut from the beginning of the kiss to the end, as the minute passes - Even looks so vulnerable kissing, like itās still a lot of energy for him? His hand is clutching the blanket like he needs it around him.Ā When he pulls away, itās like heās ready to go back to sleep. But even after Even pulls back from the kiss, Isak keeps stroking Evenās face and hair, and he gives a slow and steady nose rub. Again, itās their grounding technique, itās a reassurance that Isak is there for him.
The pacing of this scene is so good. I love the quiet, the pauses. This is just unhurried film-making, not afraid to take its time. Everything about this scene makes me calm. Itās like taking a deep breath of cool morning air.
As an aside, for almost two years the background on my phone has been Isak snuggled up to Even as he sleeps. Helps to have a reminder to take things one minute at a time.
Clip 2 - Fluffy Isak living his best life
This scene is a direct parallel and contrast to the one in episode 3, where Vilde goes up to Isak at the lockers and asks him about hosting a party, and then afterwards Isak sees Emma and goes up to her. In that scene in episode 3, Isak absolutely does not want to host the party and heās making up excuses not to, including blaming his flatmates. Here he readily and warmly agrees to host. In the episode 3 scene, he goes up to Emma to make amends and spews a lot of fake flirting, with his fake hetero persona. Here he goes up to her and repeats the same line of calling himself an asshole to make amends, but heās being honest with her. Heās not flirting, heās just extending an olive branch.
Isak walks into school on his phone, talking to Eskild. He tells Eskild to let Even sleep. Eskild wonders if he should wake up Even. Isak tells him he asked him to keep an eye on Even because heās depressed, not watch over him like a baby. CHEERS, ISAK š This is exactly right. Because Even is depressed (and had just sent Isak a suicide note), I donāt think itās a great idea for him to be completely alone, especially when thatās one of his fears/anxieties. I mean, weāre trying to show Even that he isnāt alone. But Even is depressed, not helpless, and it would be wrong to smother him. He needs his agency. Isak is completely accurate, donāt treat Even like a baby. Isak may not be perfect, but heās getting so much better in his understanding of mental illness.
Also, weāre trying to show how Isak has learned from Sonjaās mistakes or how Even didnāt like Sonjaās treatment of him, and I think part of that is giving Even space and not hovering or interfering too much.
Eskild leaves because he thinks Even woke up. Isak looks at his phone like, lmao, thatās Eskild being Eskild for you! I think Eskild canāt help but go into nurturing mode, he wants to take care of people. (You know, fandom talks a lot about Isak and Even as parents, but imagine Eskild as a parent? IDK if heād ever have kids of his own or if heād have a bunch of unofficial nieces and nephews, or if heād just consider all the wayward teenagers he āadoptsā to be his children, but Eskild would be such a helicopter parent.)
Also, in Isakās locker of character development - he just opens his locker without any problems. Heās not even thinking about it, heās just talking with Eskild on the phone. Itās no longer a problem. Itās not stuck, nothingās spilling out. Itās not giving Isak grief.
What a beautiful and subtle way to indicate that Isak is now comfortably out of the closet. What a great payoff for something that might seem like a running gag but is actually insight into the main characterās mindset.
Isak looks fluffy as hell in this scene. You know how worn down he looks in episode 6? Here heās radiating good health and happiness.
Vilde shows up. God, I love Isak and Vildeās interaction, as messy as it may sometimes be. She asks if Isak saw the message she posted to kosegruppa, and Isak starts to laugh to himself, because out of all the drama of his life, all the shit thatās been happening the last few weeks, kosegruppa is still a thing, and he completely forgot about it. I donāt think weāve heard about kosegruppa since episode 3 with the neon party? It was basically just a setup for Isak and Even to meet and interact. Which is perfectly fine! But itās great that they brought it full circle and acknowledged it again, like this is kind of meta with Isak acknowledging that he forgot about kosegruppa, much like the audience had. (If only we had seen kosegruppa antics after this ā¦. I wanted to see the squads baking together and spreading that cozy feeling!)
Vilde wants to know why Isak is laughing. Isak says he almost forgot kosegruppa existed. Vilde is aghast, practically. She asks whether Isak isnāt going to quit now. You canāt just join for the parties and skimp on the actual work for the revue!
And hereās one of my favorite Isak moments, a super underrated one. Isak takes a moment from clearly forgetting about kosegruppa to being like āOf course Iām still in kosegruppa! Who do you think I am?ā It makes me smile SO much, because we saw Isak be grumpy and unimpressed with kosegruppa before, and give Vilde looks of boredom or irritation when she talked about it, but here fluffy Isak is humoring her and being nice. Heās making her happy, and the fact that she clearly is happy by what he says makes my heart so warm.
Vilde asks if they could host the kosegruppa Christmas party at Isakās place, and after a short pause, Isak quickly agrees. Vilde is clearly surprised by this, asks if itās OK with his flatmates, and Isak says heās sure itās fine. Heās so warm when he says this and heās smiling at her, itās beautiful. Like this is some Scrooge-level transformation.
I think Isak is in such a good place emotionally right now that he canāt help but extend it to other people. Heās got Even back and while things arenāt perfect, theyāre taking this thing one minute at a time and thereās hope for the future. Additionally, heās out of the closet and no longing live a fake heterosexual life. His friends accept him and he can be honest with them. Heās out to his parents and theyāre fine with him, and it seems like his relationship with his mom can be salvaged. Basically every single thing, for the most part, that was causing Isak anxiety earlier in the season has now been solved. And because Isak is glowing inside, heās willing to extend the kindness to others.
When Vilde leaves, Isak retrieves his book from his locker. Then he seems Emma down the hallway. With a little trepidation, he goes up to her. He greets her and the trepidation is mutual. Emma is awkward, too. You have to wonder what sheās thinking. Honestly, I think at this point, she does realize that she messed up? Or that it was her talking about Isak that got the rumors going and outed him to the school, and that it was wrong. Maybe thatās just me wanting to give her the benefit of the doubt that Emma regrets what she did, but Ruby plays it like sheās unsure, not like sheās still angry at Isak or annoyed by him.
I think the vibe between them in this scene is supposed to be that they both made mistakes and hurt each other. And I mean, that is true! Isak did hurt Emma by leading her on. Itās just that Emma ultimately did something I think was a lot worse - like, she would have gotten over that guy she made out with twice turning out to be gay and leading her on. Isak might not have gotten over being outed, it could have really damaged aspects of his life.
So itās awkward, and Isak then brings up the inside joke of sorts from before, referencing āthe assholeā whoās hosting the Christmas party and inviting her along, because he thinks that would be nice. Here heās not inviting her because he plans to hook up with her, and they both know that. Itās a gesture of kindness. Letās bury the hatchet.
Emma says she switched to the PR group, but that he should tell the asshole sheās glad he asked. Sheās smiling and seems genuinely happy. Isak says the asshole will appreciate that. They say goodbye, clearly in a good mood, pleased about the interaction.
Well, in a lot of ways this outcome is pretty good? I think itās for the best that Emma switched groups - she was only in kosegruppa to chase Isak, and switching will give her some distance from the experience and help her move on from whatever remaining hurt she feels. And I think that this is about the nicest resolution you could hope for, in a way - I donāt think Isak and Emma are going to become good friends, they donāt have a ton in common personally and they did hurt each other. I think itās actually good she wonāt be at the party (where sheāll be witnessing Isak and Even making out under the mistletoe, lmao) and sheāll get some space. But theyāve made peace and can be on good terms as casual acquaintances. Isak no longer has to run away when he sees Emma in the hallway, they can just smile and nod and acknowledge each other politely. Isak doesnāt have to pretend to be into her, either. Heās done with that part of his life.
But, if Iām gonna tweak this scene - because the Emma/outing plot is the only one that I had any substantial nitpicks for this season - I would make Emma more obviously realize or acknowledge that she had done something really bad in outing Isak. It would be nice if she apologized for it directly. But within the tone of this scene, you could even play it as her going along with Isakās āthe assholeā joke, maybe with her saying something like, āWell, thereās this asshole first year who feels really bad about opening her big mouth and sheās happy that the other asshole invited her.ā You know, something self-deprecating like that. I would be fine with that? Just so it was clear she knows she messed up. I think it stands out because Sonja apologized for something wrong she had done, and Isak is apologizing for something wrong he had done, so Emma not apologizing kinda feels a little unfinished, like, hey, she did do something pretty bad, whether it was intentional or not.
I have no problem with Isak extending the olive branch and inviting Emma, for what itās worth. Heās in a good place, he wants to make amends with people. I think heās in such a good place that he wants to get rid of any animosity or more toxic relationships or beefs he has with people. Mostly, I wish we got more acknowledgment that Emma messed up, too, so itās not all on Isak.
Iād also be fine with someone other than Isak stating more directly that being outed was a bad thing. I think they did a fine job of showing how Isak was affected negatively by it, and normally I prefer show donāt tell, but because Emma doesnāt directly apologize for it, I think itād be worth it to do some ātellingā if Emma herself doesnāt. IDK, someone like Even or Jonas not being ok with it, even if Isak is. (Although, lol, we know what eventually happened with Jonas and Emma...)
Ruby Dagnall really is a cutie and a talented actress, I feel bad that she plays one of the least popular, most disliked Skam characters. At least Sonja got some redemption and comes across much better in the whole series.
Still, this scene does provide some relief for Isak, that heās put to rest one of the other problems heās had recently. Iām sure he feels like thereās another weight off his back.Ā
Clip 3 - I saw you the first day of school
This delightful and intimate and tender scene!!!!
Isak does a meme-worthy appearance as he creeps into his own doorway to see Even and Linn playing FIFA. Heās so funny because he almost appears suspicious, like he expects to see Even and Linn cooking meth instead of playing video games. Or I guess because Even has been depressed and Linn is always depressed, that itās very unusual to see them playing games with so much vigor.
Isak also gets this little smile, like heās so relieved and happy that Even has come out of his depressive episode a bit. And because itās just a charming moment to come across.
I love Linn getting so into the game, too, since we rarely see her that hyped. She is taking it very very seriously.
We all gotta appreciate Evenās āHall-AAAā when Isak greets him. How can you pack so much charisma into a simple word?
Linn is just like, good, youāre home, Iām exhausted. Which kinda indicates that she had āEven dutyā since thereās no other reason she needs to get up and leave that second. Unless she thinks the Evak make-outs are going to commence. Which they are.
Even says, āSore loser?ā and Linn is like, āIām going to bed,ā because of course she is. Even is so charming when he says that, though, like you really get how everyone just immediately falls in love with this guy, heās so warm and open and he can tease someone like Linn who isnāt necessarily the most receptive person.
Even says it was good to hang out with Linn. I agree! We only get this one moment between them, but itās a nice little detail. They both deal with depression and I donāt know if they have big talks about it or whatever, but they probably both get it, understand that part of each other, and itās nice that we can see them hanging out. I bet itās low stress to hang with Linn, too, like I adore Eskild but heās going to want to be in Evenās face pushing him to do stuff. Linn is more chill.
I would have loved to see more clips of kosegruppa taking care of Even. I adore the texts, they say so much, but imagine watching Eskild taking care of Even and making him play board games? Noora bringing Even some tea? It really warms my heart how everyone decided to help Even, whoās essentially a stranger, because they were there for Isak. Well, OK, I think everyone is in love with Even, itās hard not to be, so they came together to support him, too.
It is SUCH a relief to see Even smile at this point. Evenās smile is one of the most beautiful things about him and we were dying to see it again after watching him be so down, so when you see Even give Isak that genuine smile, itās wonderful. And the glare from the TV is like reflecting off his eyes making him look even more magical, lol.
He also looks so fluffy in Isakās hoodie. I think itās a touch too small for him? But like Even cares, heās wearing Isakās clothes and thatās all that matters.
Isak kisses Even hello and we donāt really see it, but we sure hear it, with this loud smack and like this fond little hum from Isak, like heās a contented cat. Kissing Even is just that enjoyable.
Thereās a post that was like āIsak and Even do this thing where they greet each other in front of others and then when theyāre alone they greet each other again, just for each otherā and it makes my heart melt.
They fall back onto the bed and actually, that little detail is so sweet, too? Theyāre just getting comfortable, ready to talk about their days, catch up with each other.
L m a o, Isak adjusts his snapback when he lies down rather than just taking it off. Okay, kid.
Isak asks Even whatās up. I think Henrik does some excellent acting in this scene. I mean they both do, Tarjeiās always great, but Even is coming out of his depressive episode and he does some stuff here thatās not always vocalized. But here for instance, you can see Evenās question starting to form before he asks it. That touch of tongue to the teeth. That amusement in his eyes. And then his delivery which is like, a-ha, I caught you, but not accusatory or upset, heās just amused.Ā
He asks Isak whether he asked all his flatmates to look after him. Even is not dumb, he realizes what happened with Isakās roommates all swooping in to check on him, how heās never alone in the flat. Someoneās always there. But I donāt think heās upset about it, like he might be with Sonja. I mean ā¦ to be fair, Even did write Isak a goodbye text/suicide note a few days ago. And Isak has instructed Eskild at least not to hover and treat Even like a baby, so theyāve probably been getting along fine.
Isak is like, what? No. Even raises his magnificent eyebrows (not Jonas level, but Even can do some damn great things with them) and calls Isak out on being a bad liar. Actually I think Tarjei does some subtle but great acting with āIsak trying to lie.ā He wasnāt comically obvious but he managed to convey that āyeah, Iām being too casual about too be truthfulā vibe.
Isak and Even both laugh about Isak being a bad liar so you can tell neither of them is upset by this, itās just a funny thing. Isak is like, no way Iām a bad liar. Iām the fucking master liar, thereās no one whoās a better liar than me! Which in itself is a GIANT FUCKING LIE, Isak, you are a terrible liar. Lying a lot is not the same thing as lying well. (Seriously, Isak almost always gets caught in his lies, or he ends up just fumbling for what to say.)
Also, how funny is it that Isak is again like, oh, you say Iām not good at this thing? Actually I am the BEST at this thing, I am the master of this specific thing Just like him being the master of holding his breath underwater. This kid has such a weird competitive streak and itās all talk, he just canāt let an insult to his skills go without refuting it in an over-the-top way.
Isak: You have no idea what Iāve gotten away with! Even: Like what? Isak: No, you donāt want know. Which is funny on its own but also funnier if youāre keeping in mind Isakās S1 shenanigans, of course. Which he did NOT get away with.
Anyway Even is charmed by all of this, his face lights up with laughter and a big smile. In return, Isak is charmed by Evenās happy self, as we all are, for Even is human sunshine. Isak touches Evenās face - Even dips his head so his lip catches Isakās thumb, and thatās one of those small gestures that makes their chemistry so incredibly fucking good? Did Julie instruct that, or did Henrik react to Tarjeiās touch like that? I canāt tell. I could easily believe it was improv. But that kind of instinctive reaction, not just lying there as Isak touches him but reacting back, moving into it - that is why the Evak chemistry is unparalleled. They keep feeding off each otherās actions and energy, they want to be touching, they are 110% keyed into each other.
āI like seeing you laugh.ā DONāT WE ALL.
No really, thatās got to be such a relief for Isak, that Even is laughing and smiling again. Thereās the hope, thereās the light at the end of the tunnel. And I think Even canāt help but beĀ amazed that Isak is still here. Isak stood by him through the worst period, and heās here now touching Even and telling him what he likes about him.
Evenās gaze softens just a little again, like heās not just brightly burning here with amusement, heās already getting more fond and mesmerized by Isak. Good job, Henrik.
Isakās phone is buzzing. He checks it and lets out a sigh of exasperation, telling Even that Vilde nags him so damn much about kosegruppa. Even, too, has forgotten about kosegruppa. Isak tells him what he learned from the previous clip, that Vilde is worried people only joined for the revue parties.
And hereās the bombshell: Isak is amused relating this detail to Even, but Even becomes thoughtful and serious when he says he was only there to meet Isak. I mean, HOLY SHIT. He drops it like itāsĀ just this fact he has no qualms about sharing. In fact, he might even be surprised that Isak DIDNāT realize this by now.
Isak is of course, completely stunned. Wait, what? They are having this lighthearted conversation and laughing and then Even drops this rather big bit of information?
Even: āDid you think I was there to have fun?ā I mean, I donāt know, dude, youāre kinda weird and artsy, so maybe it was your scene? Maybe you wanted some buns? (Well, he did want buns. Isakās buns, baby. š)
Isak laughs a little, but heās still completely flabbergasted by this bit of information. He asks Even if Even saw him before the first kosegruppa meeting. (And I mean, we know Even did, because Isak and him made eye contact in the cafeteria. What Isak means is, did you see me and check me out before kosegruppa?)
āI saw you the first day of school.ā BOMBSHELL. CHANGES THE ENTIRE SEASON. Well, maybe not the entire season, but it absolutely re-frames Evenās behavior in the first few episodes and even throughout the later episodes.
Now while watching this season in real time, I figured Even was pining for Isak from the beginning, more or less, from episode 1. Like I really didnāt doubt that Even had real feelings for Isak, I never thought he was playing with Isak or messing around with him for fun. I never thought he was going to turn on Isak or lead him into a hate crime as some of the more bizarre theories suggested. And I had a heavy suspicion that Even went to the kosegruppa meeting to meet Isak. But what I figured was - Even saw this really cute boy in the cafeteria on Monday, they made eye contact, that one group of girls talked to both Even and Isak about their revue group, so hey, might as well be worth it to check out if the cute guy went to the meeting! So it seemed like a relatively short and straightforward timeline where Even spotted Isak for the first time and decided to go after him. But I had a few questions, such as: did Even really think Isak was going to show up? Thatās a hell of a chance to take. I mean, the risk factor is pretty minimal, Isak wouldnāt be there and Even would just have to sit through this meeting and eat some bread and participate in some awkward group exercises until he could escape. But still - how confident was he that Isak would be there?
And Even having his eye on Isak from the beginning of the school year makes a lot of sense and helps explain why Even would take that chance! First of all, because he would have had plenty of time to learn Isakās name from the first day of school, and therefore he could scope the signup sheet for it,Ā because I bet Vilde or Sana put Isak on a list. Thatās apparently how Emma found out Isak was going to kosegruppa, after all. Second, because if Even had been pining for THAT long, not just a few days, then I absolutely buy him taking a huge gamble like that. Because Even had a crush on Isak for weeks at this point, and kept his distance, until that day in the cafeteria, when he caught Isak looking back. And I think that was all the incentive he needed to take a chance. That Isak maybe wasnāt just a distant dream, but potentially a reality. Isak might be attracted to him as well. Boom.
Of course Evenās revelation also re-frames a lot of other moments and details, like why Even was there in the cafeteria in the first place (he almost certainly wasnāt sitting near Isak by coincidence, but on purpose so he could check out Isak and maybe get his attention). Why Even entered the meeting and immediately scanned the room to see if Isak was there, and then took a seat near him. It makes all of Evenās affection and actions toward Isak this season so much heavier, because he had wanted him for a while. You look back at their first kiss, for instance, and you realize Even had been waiting for that for months.
Not only that, but consider that this entire season we have been in Isakās POV. Going through his struggles with him, his anxieties and insecurities and doubts. When Even ran hot and cold, we felt it. When Even ghosted on him, it was like Even ghosted us. So for a good chunk of this season, Isak doubted the depth of Evenās feelings for him - especially after the hotel room, when Sonja said Evenās feelings were fake. And much of the audience doubted with him, making up all kinds of theories about Even toying with Isak or being a bad person or not really into Isak. So after a full season of this uncertainty, we finally learn the truth - not only were Evenās feelings real all along, they were real for much, much longer than any of us suspected. I think a lot of people guessed that Even went to kosegruppa to meet Isak, but NOT that he had been pining for months.
Side note: not to spoil this very popular anime, but Yuri!!! on Ice was airing at the exact same time as season 3 of Skam, and I have to laugh because episode 10 of YoI, like this season, also had the ābeen into you for way longer than you realizedā reveal that changed the entire context of the series and the main relationship. (I just remember fall/winter 2016 as simultaneouslyĀ the darkest timeline from which there was no escape and some weird fever dream of unexpectedĀ gay romance canons as a kind of consolation prize. Like hey, we might as well give you something nice before the world burns.)
Even says the line so sincerely, too. So heartfelt. Just āI saw you the first day of school.ā And thatās all we get, until we received the S3 script book where Julie wrote the scene from his POV. But in context of just what we saw on screen - how evocative is that? Doesnāt it really grab your attention? We donāt know where it happened, how it happened, what Isak was doing, any of the nitty-gritty details so weāre free to speculate. But that one line says enough to completely alter our opinion of Even this season.
And Isak is of course, just stunned and touched. He just takes it in and says, āWhoa,ā with a soft smile. Not bombarding him with more questions (ātell me everything about that dayā) but just soaking in the knowledge. Even saw him and chose him, basically. All this time he was doubting Evenās feelings? Even had it even worse for Isak. Even loves him that much, that Isak caught his eye on the first day of school. Even has liked him for that long. Itās beautiful. Isak is really somebodyās somebody.
And you can see Even smile at Isak, too. They would have laid there looking into each otherās eyes and marveling at how they found each other had Vilde not called again.
Letās all appreciate Tarjeiās delivery of that UGH, like Isak has a cantankerous old man soul.
Now hereās an interesting detail about the conversation with Vilde: We donāt hear her side of it. Or rather, we donāt hear her voice clearly, as we do in say, Isakās conversation with his father or with Sonja. And maybe thatās because unlike those conversations, what Vilde is saying is not actually important in itself (though I am sure she would disagree with me, getting that Christmas tree is of utmost importance, how dare you) and itād be a little bit of a distraction from the main point of the scene between Isak and Even. But it makes the scene different because itās not completely in Isakās POV, because Isak would be able to hear Vilde clearly. Actually, it makes the scene seem like itās from Evenās point of view, not Isakās. And Iām kind of a stickler for POV but Iām fine with it here, especially in the final episode of the season. Once weāve sort of wrapped up many of the main characterās problems or issues, itās OK to start experimenting and diverging a bit more. But anyway, this scene especially seems like weāre really deep in Evenās head, for some reason.Ā
Anyway, Isak argues with Vilde about the Christmas tree while Even laughs and smiles at Isak, entertained by his grumpy boyfriend. Isak tells Vilde to get the Christmas tree herself (though as we learn through texts, he went to pick it up, because look, Isak may put up a fight with Vilde about it but he ends up doing whatever she asks).
Even asks Isak about the tree once Isak hangs up. Isak explains about the kosegruppa Christmas party on Friday.Ā And oh man, now this is some goooood acting from Henrik. Because so far this scene has been pretty stress free, lots of cute flirting and laughing and looking into each otherās eyes. But once Isak mentions that kosegruppa party heās hosting, Even immediately gets tense. Itās not over the top obvious, but Henrik does a fantastic job here because his energy just shifts in an instant. His eyes start flicking away from Isak, he squirms a little, his body isnāt still. You can tell he gets this flight or fight response where his instinct is to run away, if not literally, then from this conversation.
This is one of the moments in all of Skam that just resonates with me so strongly. Having depression puts you into so many weird spots like this. You donāt know how to tell people about it, you donāt know how to explain that no, you donāt want to go to the party or the concert or whatever, you donāt have the mental or physical energy for it. Your body and mind are just exhausted. You can barely get out of bed. But - itās hard to describe that to people. Telling people you have the flu is easy - you have physical symptoms, you arenāt ashamed of it. But how do you explain, especially to non-depressed people, that you just donāt feel like it because of your depression? Or because of your anxiety? Like Even, I have often found myself hedging and making up excuses not to go like this. Itās one of those smaller details that makes me think Skam nailed these final episodes of S3 and the depiction of mental illness.
For Even, heās still climbing out of the depressive episode, and heās reeling from the experience itself. How is he going to face people, especially if they know anything about what happened? How is he going to deal with a party, with its potentially overwhelming smells, sounds, and sensations? A lot of people talking and laughing and dancing, music blaring, itās just ā¦ not something where he can relax. Itās something you need energy for.
Isak asks if Even wants to go to the party. Even takes a moment, and heās still like a deer in headlights, you know his brain is scrambling with how to take care of the situation. Isak waits patiently for an answer, not pushing.
Even starts talking about his mom, using her as an excuse, saying that he talked to her and said he would stop by to eat and stuff, actually he was thinking about staying there for a little while. And you know what? Maybe Even really did speak with his mom. He probably did. But right now heās latching onto that as a diversion, so he doesnāt have to tell Isak what heās really feeling - the idea of a party is overwhelming right now. Iām not sure if I want to go.Ā And maybe right now Even is having a rapid descent into depressive thoughts. Like heās slipping into oh, this is how Iām going to let Isak down, Iām just a burden, I should go away and let him do his own thing, have fun. Thatās perhaps a factor, too.
Isak gives Even the time to decide and talk. He does not interrupt him until Even is finished, and then his only response is beautiful. āJust take it one day at a time.ā Not putting any pressure on him to answer now more decisively, not putting pressure on him to suck it up and attend the party. Just gives Even their mantra.
Iām not trying to demonize Sonja (especially not in this episode when sheās treated so gracefully) but I have to wonder, going off Evenās reaction to both the news about the party and Isakās reaction, if maybe this was a common type of argument or debate they had, and if Sonja tended to handle it differently. Like maybe if this were Sonja, she would be encouraging or pressuring Even to attend a party because it would be good for him, or she would be grilling him more about his mindset. If Even didnāt want to attend, time to dig into that, see how heās doing, ask a bunch of questions. Sonja is the āparty plannerā who needs to have everything figured out. And that maybe one of the differences between Sonja and Isak is that Sonja, however good her intentions, tended to overwhelm Even with questions, she needed to have everything figured out, whereas Isakās approach is so much more chill. IDK, this is definitely in the category of speculation, itās just that the way Even reacts kinda reminds me of someone whoās used to expecting a fight or argument over his attendance at the party, and heās relieved when Isak doesnāt push him.
Oh, dude. When Isak says to take it one day at a time, and Even lets that sink in and starts to smile - you can see Isak smiling a little, too.
When Even smiles, heās just so relieved? Relieved that Isak understands. Relieved that Isak isnāt going to call him out on his fib but that he just gets it and doesnāt put any pressure on Even. And Even is so, so happy that he has Isak. Lucky that heās found him.
At the start of this scene, we have Even calling out Isak on a lie, and Isak saying no, heās a master liar! We have a discussion about lies and itās not really that serious because no oneās hurt by the lie in question. Here, in a reversal, we have Even lying, or at least fudging the truth, and Isak doesnāt call him out on it, not directly. He just absorbs Evenās change of mood, the words heās saying, and makes it clear that there is no pressure on Even, that he meant it when he said they were going to take this thing perfectly chill.
Also, how absolutely excellent is the fact that Isak was able to read Evenās mood and anxiety without Even needing to lay it out in words? That is some serious mutual understanding. A lesser TV show would have the scene go like this:
Isak: Do you want to come to the Christmas party? Even: Iām not sure. I donāt think Iām ready for that yet. Isak: Okay, thereās no pressure to attend. Even: Thanks for understanding, I am so lucky to have you, baby.
And thereās nothing inherently wrong with having so much covered directly in dialogue (and speaking personally, I struggle a lot with that problem when writing - I love writing dialogue, but I always end up with too many lengthy conversations with characters just talking about their feelings. Skam has really influenced me to start working on that and trying to find other ways for characters to communicate that are richer and less obvious.). But I think it is a lot stronger the way itās depicted in this scene. I mean, this scene is the absolute essence of āshow, donāt tellā! The way the scene is portrayed, it allows the actors to really focus their abilities - we can tell what Isak and Even are thinking because Tarjei and Henrik are knocking it out of the park and conveying everything we need to know with their eyes, their bodies, the full extent of their talent, rather than just relying on direct dialogue.
Also, think about what this approach says about Isak, or Evak. Making the realization subtle, relying on the subtext of a scene rather than the text, shows us how Isak has grown. Look at this emotional intelligence, look at the tremendous capacity for empathy he displays here with Even, to be able to read him and be patient and tender and understanding like this. And look how having the message go unsaid in words actually strengthens the depiction of their bond, that they donāt need to spell everything out in words - that they can just read each other that well even when one of them is saying something else. Itās fantastic. This scene puts so many other canon romances to shame.
I suspect that a scene like this stays with you longer than the scene with the direct emotional exposition, too. Because the delivery is more of an imprint, it calls on the viewer to read and interpret more, to pay attention to every nuance of the actors, to pay attention to the subtext. That makes the scene settle into your mind more deeply, causes your brain to spend more time with it, whereas a more straightforward scene with that kind of obvious dialogue and telegraphing of inner feelings will just tell you what you need to know, and your brain can move on.
Anyway. Even looks at Isak and you can tell he thinks that heās the luckiest person in the word to have Isak. He just glows.(I donāt comment too much on actorsā looks because I donāt care all that much, but Henrik is beautiful in this scene. He looks like a damn angel.) He rolls on his side and gives Isak one careful, meaningful kiss to convey his gratitude and affection. They lie there with their noses brushing, Even smiling a little and sweeping his thumb over Isakās cheek, both of them looking into each otherās eyes and loving each other.Ā
Jesus Christ, does Even have the biggest case of heart eyes ever in this scene or what? The amount of warmth and fondness and love pouring from them is just breathtaking. If you had a GIF of Even smiling and looking into Isakās eyes in this clip, itās like the distilled essence of love right there.
Also love how natural their touches are here at the end. Itās not just that they kiss and then lay there, itās the thumb on the cheek that taps and moves and sweeps several times, how Evenās hand shifts its grip on the back of Isakās neck. Again, when I talk about their chemistry being phenomenal, this is the kind of stuff I mean. It never stops. Itās not just like they hit their marks when it says āEven kisses Isak in the scriptā and they stop there, itās that Henrik and Tarjei keep going and stay in the moment. Because I think obviously the script dictates a lot of their actions, and I have no doubt that Julie gives them good direction, but certain things I feel like have to be the actors just bringing everything they have to the scene, thereās no way you could micro-manage those touches to that extent.
Clip 4 - Isak gives nary a fuck
Isak rolls up to his squad in the courtyard all like HEY BOYSSSSS. Magnus asks how everything is going with Evak. Just in case you didnāt know Julie paid attention to the fandom!
Magnus is the #1 Evak shipper. Like Iām sure Jonas loves them, too, but Jonas is always gonna be watching out for his boy Isak first and foremost. Magnus is just ... in love with their love.
More seriously, I love that Magnus asks about them? Because Magnus is the one who filled in Isak about mental illness, Magnus is the one who was knowledgeable about what Even might be going through. He knows that Even might still be dealing with heavy stuff. So itās nice that he checks in with Isak.
Isak says theyāre taking it day by day, minute for minute. Magnus gets the idea to sell that to NRK. āMinutt for minuttā is a reference to Norwegian slow television in the first place (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slow_television) so obviously, Magnus brings up NRK due to that established Norwegian programming, plus itās also a joke about Skam being an NRK show. A multi-layered joke!
Itās also really clever for Isak to think of that connection back in the first clip of the episode, like heās thinking theyāre going to make slow TV out of their lives.
āEven and Isak, minute by minuteā is Magnusā suggestion. Just watching their entire lives together, I guess. Heās extremely enthusiastic. He thinks people would watch it - hell, heād watch it himself! Who is not surprised that Magnus would be interested in a nonstop Evak marathon?
No offense to Norwegians, because I can certainly see the appeal of slow television (I caught my mom watchingĀ Nasjonal vedkveld, or National Firewood Night, on Netflix around Christmas:Ā āWatch Norwegians demonstrate how to chop and stack firewood, and then sit back and enjoy the slow burn of a crackling fireplace in a Bergen farmhouse.ā) but personally I would find āEven and Isak, minute by minuteā more compelling than a long boat journey or train ride, as pretty and soothing as they might be.
Isak says thatās kind of fucked up to think about people watching them. Well, Iām very glad he exists within the fourth wall, because knowing that he had a very fervent audience watching him moon over Even for months would probably freak him out.
Magnus is like, āWhy? Because youāre banging on TV? Donāt you think I can handle watching two guys bang?ā and ohhhh boy, pull up a chair so we can break this down.Ā
Magnus ā¦ why did your mind immediately go to thoughts of Isak and Even banging instead of, IDK, Isak saying itās fucked up because he wants his privacy or doesnāt want people spying on his every move? Like them banging was just the first thing that popped into your head? All right.
Magnus, you know you can watch two dudes banging like ā¦ any time you want, right? Itās called the Internet. (Iām sorry but Magnus definitely went home and watched gay p*rn. You know, just to prove he could handle it. He could totally handle it!)
If Isak and Even ever decide to mess with Magnus for a laugh and proposition him for a threesome, Magnus is definitely going to laugh nervously in shock before seriously considering it, before Isak and Even reveal itās a joke.
Iāve said this before, because I know Magnus is supposed to be the clueless straight dude whoās still a well-intentioned ally, but: if at some point in Magnusā future heās microwaving a burrito in the middle of the night, staring into the tunnel of radiation as the tortilla turns slowly like his thoughts, and he suddenly thinks to himself, āI am definitely a bisexual,ā Iād be like, yep, sounds about right.
I mean, thatās if he already didnāt have an awakening when tall drink of water Even Bech NƦsheim strolled into his life with his swoopy hair and denim jacket. Not that he had designs on Even, but like ... itās Even, guys.
This is absolutely how Magnus will announce his revelation to his friends, I refuse to accept anything less awkward and earnest. (Isak is Paula.)
Isak thinks itās more of a turnoff that Magnus would be watching them bang. Magnus is offended. āDo you think Iām a turnoff?ā Isak is like ā¦ well, youāre not a turn-on. OUCH. Isak lives to drag Magnus and I love it.
Magnus is like BULLSHIT, you would bang me if you had the chance. Magnus, you were so desperate and horny this season that literally all Isak had to do was offer and you would probably seriously consider it, no matter whether he was your bro. Isak definitely had āthe chance.ā
But lmao, I love that Magnus is most concerned about not being a turn-on and needing to know that Isak finds him bangable. No offense, Magnus, but why do you care so much if Isak wants to fuck you?Ā
Magnus asks him who he would fuck first out of the squad. To absolutely no oneās surprise if youāve seen S1 (or frankly, even if you havenāt), Isak picks Jonas without hesitation and he and Jonas high-five. Jonas is probably like, ha, I KNEW I wasnāt completely unattractive! Magnus is then like, who between me and Mahdi? Isak is like, āIt would be you ā¦ MAHDIā and switches his gaze from Magnus to Mahdi mid-sentence. Goddamn, Isak is ice cold. At least Mahdiās fucking thrilled about being in second place!
More seriously, how marvelous is it that Isak can joke about this with his friends without any kind of tension or fear of judgment? Can you imagine the Isak at the beginning of this season participating in this conversation? Joking about fucking his (male) friends? His internalized homophobia would never allow it. Also consider that the very first clip of the season, the very first conversation we hear, is about Isak talking about which girls he would bang, and now weāre here, talking about which dudes heād bang. Weāve gone from Isak being fake to Isak being real. Weāve come full circle in the hypothetical banging. This is a funny conversation but itās also a mark of clear character development for Isak and establishing the good rapport he has with his bros. The boy squad has grown into a powerful force.Ā
Magnus is upset no one wants to bang him. Isak is like, youāre too desperate. See, Isak presents it like a flaw, Even will assure Magnus to just let all his desperation out there, like itās an asset. Which is probably why Magnus appears to love Even so much. Even totally gets it, guys.
Mahdi spies the dance chicks coming. I have to say I find this to be an underrated music moment. Itās a quirky choice of song, the lyrics are very strange and comical. It reminds me of a clueless teenage boyās POV of girls, which very much fits the scenario. Quick, the girls are coming, weāll need to talk to them! Uhhh, what do girls like again? Shoes, dancing, boys!Ā
The boys sans Isak gape at the girls as they approach. Isak doesnāt seem too impressed. Itās a parallel to the first dance chicks scene, except then Isakās lack of interest was funny but stressful, it was something that alienated him from the other guys, it was something he had to hide. Here his lack of interest is something he can just be open about, itās purely amusement without the stress.
That one dance chick on the end looks a SHIT TON like Taylor Swift.
I do like that these dance girls - while admittedly all white and blond, which had to be intentional - look pretty typical for high school hot chicks. Theyāre not like supermodels Julie hired for the day, theyāre the kind of girls youād see at your school.
Iām not actually positive all the girls were in the previous dance chicks scene? I think the one who does the talking was in it, I canāt tell if the others were. But - and I mean this respectfully - they were all dancing, and I cannot tell all these blonde white girls in motion apart.
Anyway, the dance chicks go up to the boy squad. One of them seems to be appointed the official dance chicks representative and does the talking. The one next to her gives her kind of a nod and a look that suggests they planned how they were going to approach this, like āLetās get that one gay guy to come to our party, what do we say?ā
The head dance chick says that they know about Isakās thing with Even and graciously bestows her approval onto him. Two boys together is so cute! Yikes. You know, this is an interesting scene because it goes after another type of homophobia, a ābenevolentā one. These girls probably think theyāre allies and are progressive, that this a good thing theyāre doing. I mean, they think two boys together is so cute, right? Surely Isak would love to hear this! Gay rights!
Thereās also perhaps some meta-commentary on Evak fandom here, since itās in the same scene as Magnus dropping the ship name. Sometimes I think fandom overuses the āyouāre FETISHIZINGā argument just to shut down debate and bash ships, like do I think any girl who ships Evak is fetishizing by default? Fuck no. I think itās more what the dance girls do here - ātwo guys together is cute.ā Itās making a generalization, itās treating gay couples as an object for straight girlsā entertainment rather than seeing them as people.
Also, those girls donāt even know Isak. They had to clarify that it was him when they approached him. With that in mind, itās extra uncomfortable. I think it would be slightly different if someone like Sana or Eva said, aww, you guys are cute, because they at least know Isak and Even and hopefully were judging their ācutenessā based on their friendsā compatibility and their specific relationship, seeing them as people, rather than these strangers who are just like āboy + boy = cuteā without knowing anything about them as individuals or the dynamic of that relationship. (Although we also see Vilde be like, āI love gays!ā and she knows Isak and Even somewhat more. But then again, thatās Vilde for you.)
And lmao, they couldnāt have given a shit about the boy squad before Isak was outed, like learning he was gay just made them want to include him as a decoration at the Christmas party, next to the tree and the tinsel. Or suddenly turn him into their gay best friend. (I donāt want Isak to deal with these people who view him so superficially, but part of me also wants him to troll people who try to use him this way and just be the grumpiest, least fun gay best friend ever.)
Anyway, the boy squad exchange some looks. It seems like they are aware of how awkward the dance chicksā comments are, but I donāt think thatās stopping them from being like āhot girls are talking to usā so theyāre also hyped that the girls are here in front of them.
In response to their comment about him and Even, Isak is just like, cool. I love that tiny moment from the dance girls where theyāre hesitating or not sure of themselves? Like maybe Isak didnāt react with effusive graciousness, maybe he didnāt instantly invite them to go shopping, so theyāre a little thrown. They share another look. Dance rep says theyāre having a get together on Friday and invites Isak. Magnus is like, HUNGRY EYES. Isak, completely unfazed, says heās got the kosegruppa party on Friday, as the boy squadās looks turn from excitement to horror.
I fucking loooove Isak for this moment. Because he doesnāt even hesitate, he just says heās got kosegruppa, without any shame. From what I understand ā¦ kosegruppa didnāt seem to be the coolest organization around, right? (Even: āDid you think I was there to have fun?ā) I mean, itās run by āthe biggest losers in school.ā And the dance group almost certainly has more social capital. But Isak just matter of factly chooses the dorky revue group over the hot girl squad. And I love that Isak has been so grumpy and unimpressed with kosegruppa but now heās embracing it. (I will say it to the end of time: We missed out on kosegruppa antics after this season. I wanted to see sooooo much of them.)
I mean, Iām also sure it didnāt hurt that it was a legit excuse not to hang out with these girls who were probably going to be cooing at him all night, but I like to think that Isak is both rejecting theĀ āfakeā party and embracing the silly but real party, with people like Sana and Eva who mean something to him.
The dance chicks seem stunned that Isak has chosen a crappy kosegruppa party rather than their party. They wander away. The boy squad makes faces at Isak.
Tarjeiās delivery of āWhat?ā is truly golden. He sounds like a puppy yelping for treats. He plays it so sincerely that itās hard to tell whether Isak really doesnāt get the impact of what he just did, or whether heās that skilled at messing with his straight friends.
Mahdi is like, Christmas kosegruppa get together??? Isak is so nonchalant in how he replies. Oh yeah, Iām hosting it, so youāre invited. There is NO shame, no embarrassment when earlier in the season he hid it from his friends that he was hosting the pre-drink (which I think was a combination of embarrassment at hosting a kosegruppa party and of trying to keep the life with his friends separate from his life with Even in it and not have them intersect). Heās so cute and earnest here.
Mahdi says āthe gates of paradise were openā (lmao) and instead Isak chose Christmas kosegruppa. What the hell, man.
Isak considers his friends. Then, like the coolest, sagest motherfucker on the planet, says, āGuys, you have to start getting chicks yourself,ā and peaces out, dropping the mic as he leaves. Like he just leaves them in his confident gay dust.
Lmao, I love that, though. The thing is, itās funny, but itās not just that - again, itās character development! Earlier this season we had Isak pressured into organizing a pre-drink with Emma and her friends because his friends wanted it, even though he was clearly reluctant. We had Isak also pressured into heading to Emmaās party in episode 5, when he had made it clear theyād ended on bad terms and he didnāt want to deal with her, because the boy squad needed a way in and they thought Isak had the golden ticket. Now heās done with that. Heās not going to sacrifice his comfort and happiness just to help his friends hook up with girls. Heās done being smooth ladiesā man Isak, for obvious reasons. Time for the rest of the boy squad to step up for themselves.
We get a little more POV breakage in this last episode, as we stick with the boy squad a wee bit after Isak leaves. Mahdi and Jonas are still baffled, Magnus laments how unfair the world is and asks if they should ditch Isakās party and go to the dance chicksā one. Itās just a cute moment. I wonder if Julie liked Davidās delivery here so she kept it in. I donāt mind POV breakage when again, itās the last episode and Isakās arc is basically wrapping up, and also when itās something that isnāt an earth-shattering revelation - like thereās nothing here that we couldnāt have guessed ourselves about how the boy squad were reacting to this turn of events. Itās just a nice little coda to the clip.
Clip 5 - Make the Yuletide gay
Itās the last clip of the season, guys. I know I could have watched four more hours of Isakās story. Get NRK on the phone with Magnus, have him pitch Isak and Even, minutt for minutt, so we can make that happen.
At the same time, this season is paced so well that I canāt fault it for not being longer. Every scene has a point. Nothing feels unnecessarily drawn out. The story clips along briskly. Isakās arc feels full and realized.
Anyway, Iām getting my tissues out as to say goodbye to S3 and Isakās POV.
This clip, and the whole episode, make me feel really festive. I associate it with all the sensations of when I watched S3 for the first time. Christmas lights outside, colder weather.Ā
One thing going into this clip - I thought William might show up. It seemed like the season may have been building to that. Now, regardless of my feelings on Noorhelm, we had Noora struggling with her relationship with William all season, right? It was a parallel to Isakās relationship with Even. If he really loves you, heāll choose you. No one is willing to sacrifice anything for love in 2016. Those were also meant to apply to Isakās thoughts and anxiety with Even. But, of course, Even did choose Isak, Even did sacrifice his existing relationship for one with Isak. Isak and Even get a happy finale. So ā¦ if that happened for Isak, it would make sense for Noora to similarly get a happy finale with William. But obviously William doesnāt show up. And Iām perfectly fine with that, although I have to say ā¦ if he were going to show up at all this season, I think it wouldāve been way better here, in the finale, when weāre wrapping things up, rather than in the middle of the season. I mean, not to throw shade at S4, but Williamās appearance in S4 episode 8 could not help but focus Sanaās final POV-focused episode on Noorhelm to a large degree. This finale is closing out some arcs anyway, like Magnus/Vilde, so itās not terribly out of place.
I wonder if Julie wrote this season finale in a way that William could have returned if Thomas had wanted, but he was not available/didnāt want to.
This clip, and the whole episode, make me feel really festive. I associate it with all the sensations of when I watched S3 for the first time. Christmas lights outside, colder weather.
The first thing we see is Isak and the boy squad being cute. Did Jonas and Magnus acquire those Christmas sweaters in a hurry, or did they happen to have them on hand?
Just a note, that Iām really glad the boy squad ended up at this party. I mean, from a Doylist perspective, they were always going to, because Julie was not going to end Isakās season without his squad present, but from a Watsonian perspective, I love that they did choose this warm, cozy party with the people they care about rather than what likely would have been impersonal with the dance chicks. (Iām probably projecting. They would have been fine seeing all the hot girls.)
Really, though, we have most of the characters we care about and who were important to this season? Isak, Even, boy squad, girl squad, Eskild and Linn. Itās Isakās support network, the people whoāve helped him grow.
Itās Penetrator Chris! He and Eva are still friends with benefits, but apparently friendly enough that heāll go to this Christmas party with her. You know, I didnāt think much about what tension this may have caused with Jonas there. I think theyāre probably all over that drama considering Jonas has been to parties with P-Chris present before (in the S2 finale, for one) and that P-Chris reaches out to Jonas in the S4 final episode to ask how to flirt with Eva, lmao.
Anyway, I think P-Chris and Eva were definitely hooking up for the fans. I donāt have any strong feelings about Penetrator Chris outside of finding him kind of amusing in certain contexts, and I ended up being a big Eva/Jonas fan, but lol, this is kind of sweet that he showed up.
Eskild is wearing tights??? Very tight, very shiny pants, at least. And heās got mistletoe strategically positioned over his ass, lmao. I canāt be sure but I think he is also wearing mascara.
I love that this party is less about getting wasted and making out and more about like ...making ornaments! And cookies! How sweet and wholesome.
Of course I write that right as girl Chris is making like a papier-mĆ¢chĆ© dick. And Eskild and Linn are putting condom ornaments on that tree. Guys, I think enough sex is happening among the various occupants of your apartment that you might want to hang on to the condoms rather than filling them with glitter, IDK.
Linn has also attended the party, bless her, and she and Eskild argue whether the tree is straight or bent, which seems to be a double entendre, as he concludes by asking her if sheās queer. Lmao, Eskild.
Also love that Linn chimes in that itās straight right after the song lyrics are āMake the Yuletide gay.ā
The girl squad is making Christmas crafts. Noora mentions āDrummer Boyā by Justin Bieber, Iām not sure what the context is, but Nooraās interest in Justin Bieber is kind of a nice running gag they have with her. I wonder what she thinks of him on a personal level?
The girls talk about exams. Chris is failing German and English, having no idea there was a 10% absence limit. So Isak wasnāt the only person struggling this semester. Sana and Vilde are like, we told you about the limit! Chris says that she assumed Vilde said that because she was jealous Chris was hanging out with Kasper so much. So was Chris skipping class specifically to hang with Kasper?
Throughout the season thereās been a pretty understated arc about Vilde not hooking up with anyone and feeling jealous about being alone. In the first episode, we had her eyeballing the hot first years with distaste and being seemingly miffed that Chris brought Kasper to the kosegruppa meeting because they were doing so much together. Then we had Vilde complaining to the boy squad about first year girls stealing the older boys and second year girls not having anyone to hook up with. We had Vilde and Magnus flirting, with her saying that she didnāt have anyone she wanted to hook up with at Emmaās party. Here we come back to that, as Vilde seems pretty jealous that her friends are getting laid and she isnāt.
This is actually interesting in light of S4ās opening clip, because both Sana and Vilde apparently told Chris about the absence limit, but Chris seems to direct her jealousy comment at only Vilde, maybe. Perhaps because the girls assume that Sana has no sexual feelings or desire to hook up with anyone, and donāt realize that just because she doesnāt do it means she doesnāt want it. But Sana is also without a boyfriend and the girls seem to think this is the natural state of things.
I wonder if Vilde was also jealous not just of Chris having a boyfriend, but Chris no longer being so available for her? We know that she and Chris are very tight, they seem to have known each other longer than anyone int he girl squad, and Kasper wouldāve taken Chris away from Vilde.
Vilde gets up and stomps away, saying she gets tons of dick. Girl ā¦ no, you donāt. Anyway, now sheās on a quest for Christmas wang.
I do love lesbian/bi Vilde theories and I think you can easily twist this scene into Vilde needing to prove something among the girls rather than just her sexual frustration, if thatās more your style.
By the way, Vilde is 10 kinds of cute in that Santa hat. Look at her freckles!
Noora smirks at that comment about Vilde not getting any dick. Girl, you are not getting any dick, either. The dick you were previously getting went cold as an icicle and you refuse to use Tinder.
Chris offers to give Vilde her decorated dick. Noora has been making a condom ornament. I legit wrote about 10 gross jokes but I deleted them out of an attempt at good taste.
Eva is like ā¦ is that a used condom? By Eskild? Lmao, I donāt think thatās an actual used condom but Nooraās reaction is funny. The girls are like, get that used condom away from me, and Eva suggests smelling it???? What world do these girls live in that they need to test if a condom is used by smelling it? Like Iād rather just take a chance that Iād throw out a perfectly good, unused condom rather than smelling some random condom that has been ... used. I would not put myself through that.
Now we switch to whatās cooking in the kitchen with the boy squad! Whatās cooking is a plan to get Magnus to finally make a move on Vilde.
Can we please appreciate Jonasā āMerry Crustmasā sweater and Magnusās Christmas elf sweater? Isak looks very nice in his button-up shirt but Iām not going to pretend I kind of wanted a Christmas sweater on him. Same with Mahdi.
Mahdi tells Magnus that heās the predator and Vilde is the prey, heās the lion and sheās the zebra, and it is a credit to the likability and sweetness of these boys that this just comes across as funny rather than creepy. Maybe because theyāre basically teasing Magnus rather than this being 100% serious advice.
Magnus says heās nervous. Isak asks whether heās in love with Vilde. Magnus says he thinks so. Thatās kind of sweet, lmao. I think the boys saw Magnusā thing for Vilde as a joke but this makes it a touch more serious. Magnus wants to know what if she says no? Again, the uncertainty is cute. Isak says itās not the end of the world if she says no, but to think of it as a positive thing if she says yes. Which is quite good advice!
Magnus frets over his sweater, whether it looks good, whether to touch Vilde. You know, this scene is even cuter now than when I first saw it? Because itās easy to dismiss Magnus/Vilde as a joke pairing, and I completely understand why people would dislike that ship - Iām not a ride or die fan of it myself - but Magnus is so earnest and vulnerable here, wanting to get it right, and the boys are so sweet and trying their best to give him good advice. Theyāre not being sleazy about it, either.
Isakās gaze changes because who should walk in but Even? Guys, itās Even!!! No, really, I think Julie was definitely playing with the viewers a little, because Evenās attendance was not set in stone for this scene - I mean, look, there was no way he wasnāt going to be in the last clip of the season, but Even himself seemed unclear whether he wanted to attend. And yeah, we have Isak and Even kissing in the still frame for the clip, but seeing Even walk in here is like relief. We smile because itās Even, guys!
Compared to the other boys, Even seems dressed down. It looks like heās wearing sweatpants. His hand is not styled. It seems like he hasnāt been joining the whole party, he must have been camping out in Isakās room or something. Perhaps talking to his mom. And I think thatās lovely? No pressure to attend, he can come and go at his own pace, he didnāt have to dress up. And everyone is fine with this. The boy squad treats him normally.
Okay, we gotta talk about those gingerbread cookies on the wall. Thereās a gingerbread dick, and two gingerbread boys holding hands.Ā
First of all: what an inspired set choice, and I want to know who came up with the idea, and whose job it was to go home and bake dick-shaped gingerbread cookies.Ā
Second: in-universe, who do you think baked the cookies? Because my bet is on Even. We know he cooks a bit and I can see him baking during the day when Isak isnāt there, now that he feels a little better, but most importantly: the guy who drops dick references at any opportunity? How could he resist an opportunity to craft a gingerbread phallus? Or proclaim his love for Isak by recreating the Evak ship in cookie form?
It could also be a group activity, of course. I also think Eskild would make a dick cookie, but I do not buy him baking cookies on his own so much. I would love if it were a dark horse candidate like Noora, but the ultimate stealth penis baker: Linn. She has it in her. I know it.
One of those gingerbread dudes looks like he might be jizzing, but I suppose those could also be buttons.
Isak tells Even that the boys are helping Magnus fuck Vilde. Mahdi and Jonas are encouraging Magnus not to be desperate, but Magnus is confused about what desperate means in this scenario.
A detail I have never noticed, and that I fucking love: Jonas suggests that Magnus picture a cool, laid-back guy, and pretend to be him, and Mahdi says, āMaybe picture Jonas?ā and points to Jonas. MY HEART. MY FUCKING HEART. Really, Jonas and Mahdi have such a side friendship going on. Of course Isak and Jonas are the BFFs, but Jonas and Mahdi have their own thing happening. Jonas is probably how Mahdi got pulled into the boy squad in the first place.
And now we get Evenās advice. He thinks Magnus should be himself and take desperate to the next level. Hey, heās onto something! I mean, it worked for Even, being the most desperate dude alive. Now he and Isak are together. Also, man, this is going to endear Even to Magnus even further, when his sage advice is what got him and Vilde together. Even is a miracle worker.
I love that we see Even look into the camera, meaning heās looking at Isak, while the boys are talking. This is such a small thing, but the fact that Evenās always looking to Isak even in group scenes does SO much for their chemistry. He canāt help but gravitate to him.
But also, that look was definitely putting Isak in on the joke, like, āRemember how my desperation worked for us? Trust me, I would know about taking desperate to the next level.ā
Magnus decides fuck it, heās gonna show Vilde how desperate he is, and Jonas and Mahdi follow him out, laughing. They gotta see this. Recently we had the clip of them cheering in the bloopers and I WISH we had seen their adorable reactions to the Magnus/Vilde hook up.
So now itās just Isak and Even in the kitchen together, their last one-on-one scene of the season. The last time they interact directly, unless you count the glance across the room they share toward the end.
Even goes for Isakās waist, and Isak touches his shoulder - good. The physical contact between the two is so casual and natural and makes you feel like these two are really a couple. Also, that casual as fuck domestic kiss, and Isakās breathy tone of voice - heās so satisfied being a married man.
Isak asks howās it going. Even says that itās fine, but that his mom is nagging because she really wants to meet Isak. We were deprived of that scene in canon, but Julie gave it to us in the scripts.
Isak is like ā¦ oh. Clearly a little nervous, taken aback, doing his best not to show it. Even asks if they should drop by tomorrow, and Isak agrees. I donāt think he can entirely shake off his nerves, because holy shit, Evenās mom wants to meet him - and Isak hasnāt been having the best luck with the adults in his life, tbh, and itās always nerve-wracking to meet the future in-laws and you want to make a good impression - but heās going to do it anyway. When Even asks if he thinks itās awkward, Isak says he doesnāt think anything is awkward anymore. Awww. Character development! Heās rising to meet new challenges. Plus I think it might be a little awkward with like ā¦ meeting Evenās parents after the hotel scene, like Isak and Evenās bangfest got interrupted by Even walking out naked and getting picked up by the police. Sort of the elephant in the room, that night was a big uncomfortable ordeal, but Isakās just going to deal with the weirdness of it.
Here we have Even looking at his phone and giving a befuddled look that would inspire countless theories. Why did Even react like that? Was it Mikael coming to ruin Evakās happiness???? Whatever it was, it was probably just Henrik mucking up something on the phone, or maybe playing it as Even shaking his head at his momās nagging, or something innocuous. Maybe Isak borrowed Evenās phone and Evenās found his Google search results, like why is BUTT showing up all of a sudden?? You can project whatever you want on his reaction.
Isak says, as long as youāre smiling and wearing clothes, life is chill. Awww. Of course everything is great when Even is doing well, he just likes it when Even smiles. And of course thereās that little joke about Even wearing clothes. Itās nice how the hotel incident is no longer this terrifying incident in his mind, but something they can laugh about, like Magnus can laugh about his mom messing with the railway guy.
Evenās response to that, his expression of raising his eyebrows and grinning, is so funny and lovely, and itās good to see from him, too! That he recognizes Isakās joke, and that itās not something to be ashamed of, but something he can laugh about, too.
Even promises to wear clothes, which is thoughtful of him, lol. I donāt think Isak has a lot of objections to Even not wearing clothes, but Evenās parents there would make it weird.
Isak gives him a fond-ass look, They kiss and this is the sweetest kiss, itās a little passionate but ends with these two short pecks. It feels very natural. They start to rub noses because of course, gotta get in one of those, when Sana interrupts.
Man, think about being Sana and seeing Isak and Even be so cuddly and kissy! Isak, the grumpy partner from biology class, whoās now so soft and open, and Even, her brotherās friend whoās gone through some rough shit, smiling and at peace. It must be so nice to see these guys so happy together. Also, think about what a plot twist for these two random dudes on the edges of her life to find love together, lmao.
Isak happily greets Sana, and Even and Sana are āintroduced.ā I legit am not sure whether Julie had this storyline in mind at this point. Because definitely this scene kicked off a lot of theories, and speculation that they knew each other. I donāt think Iman and Henrik knew this backstory. But I donāt think I can totally write off the possibility that Julei didnāt have it in mind, because of little details like Evenās pictures of Muslim women on his wall, or the line about him learning the Quran.Ā
For sure a lot of people wanted Even/Sana friendship in the next season. But generally, people were like āWouldnāt it be cool if we saw them talking about the Quran at a party or something?ā not āWhat if Even had tried to kill himself and Sana knew about it?ā
Additionally, that little line when theyāre introduced, when Sana says, ākosegruppaā - strangely that feels like support to me that this was planned? Because I mean, obviously they would know each other through kosegruppa. Theyāre at a kosegruppa party. So in context, it kinda seems like a little inside joke ... Isak asks if they know each other, they play act being introduced, Sana adds ākosegruppaā to reinforce that sheās not going to give away Evenās secret and that of course itās through kosegruppa they know each other, not any other way.
Anyway, theyāre cute, Imanās cute. Isak introduces Sana as his biology partner ...AND FRIEND. AHHHHH. Gorgeous. Unexpectedly, Sana managed to become a special person in his life.
I love when Even asks how Isak is in biology, and Isak gives him kind of this āreally?ā look. Like Evenās winding up Isak and Isak is all, ha ha, very funny.
Sanaās reaction! She makes a face and says heās useful, and of course Isak has to protest and talk up how great he is. Iām surprised he didnāt say, āIām the MASTER of biology!ā Even looks fond and amused at Isak being incensed at told heās not great at something, yet again.
Sana hands Isak her little gift. Itās the 10%! Awww. Not only is this a funny gift, but itās a mark of how far theyāve come this season? At the start of S3, she was blackmailing him and keeping his weed. She gave back 90% of it, but only after heād done what she asked. Here she doesnāt have a reason to give it back here except good will. This is just a warm, friendly gesture with nothing expected in return.
Even: āCool biology partner.ā Damn straight!
While Isak is busy having warm feelings toward Sana, Even has taken the weed. Isak notices and snatches it back. Appreciate Isakās hand on Evenās because thatās the only hand-holding weāre getting until S4.
So there was a bit of debate over this next part, when Isak snatches the weed from Even and the conversation that follows. Because the opinion that many people took was, isnāt this like what Sonja was doing with Even? Controlling him? And I can certainly understand why people would feel this way and wouldnāt care for this part. I had sort of a kneejerk āhmmmā response watching it for the first time. Itās one of those things that doesnāt bother me now, and I think there are certain differences between what Isak does and how Sonja handled these kinds of issues, perhaps. It has a lot to do with tone, I think.
First, Isak waited until Sana was gone to take back the weed - not sure it was intentional on his part since he didnāt seem to notice Even had the weed until Sana had left, but he didnāt make these comments until he and Even were alone. We saw with Sonja that she would make comments to Even in front of other people, such as asking him to cut down on drinking in front of Isak and Emma. So I think that by itself makes it perhaps easier for Even, that heās not being embarrassed or scolded in front of other people.
Second, the way this conversation unfolds makes it seem like a joke. It doesnāt devolve into a serious lecture about Evenās smoking and what he needs to do and not do, itās banter about Isak being paid to date Even. So I think that also takes some of the pressure off, because Even doesnāt feel like heās being parented or controlled.Ā
Finally ā¦ Isak has been dating Even for not long at all. Heās known Even is bipolar for what, like two weeks? So frankly. he might not get everything perfect at first, although thereās no indication Even is seriously upset with him here. But Isak has time to figure out this relationship and what to do and what not to do. Sonja had been dating Even for years, and even if he wasnāt diagnosed during that entire time, I think the way they acted together was more set in stone, probably it had been a while that this resentment had built up.
Anyway, Even asks if Isak is going to be telling him what to do now, Isak says thatās his job. Their faces are very close to each otherās. Theyāre flirting hardcore. Pretty sure this was all improv, about Isak finding a poster that said Even needed an assistant and boyfriend, and itās fucking adorable.
Also, the importance of Isak saying, āHoly fuck, heās hot!ā He went from not being able to admit when a guy was attractive, lest he be seen as gay, to being able to comment on his boyfriendās hotness openly. Bravo, Isak. It isnāt even a struggle for him here, itās an easy statement.
I love how they look at each other and how Even leans in for the kiss as Isak is getting his sentence out, I love that Isak grabs Even by the back of the head for the kiss.That tells me how committed these actors were to getting into character, they make Isak and Even look so passionate. Like, Isak is 110% into this kiss!
I want to talk about their chemistry here in particular, because this is what sets them apart from other couples you see on TV. Look at this body language. It comes so easily to them to touch each other! They donāt break away and put space between them immediately after the kiss, they stay in each otherās personal space and keep their hands on each other. Look at how Isakās hand slowly drifts from the back of Evenās head down his throat, lingering over the Adamās apple, and stays on Evenās chest. Look how Even goes in for that easy brush of the cheek and tucks Isakās hair behind his ears - and notice how Isak mirrors that gesture, by tucking Evenās hair afterwards. Now that is really great, like Isak is taking cues from Even on how to act with him, what feels nice, what makes him feel good and loved by Even, and heās then using those cues back at Even. None of this moment feels stilted or fake. They feel like two people who are utterly in love and want to keep their hands on each other at all costs.
Letās appreciate Evenās āwhat?ā after Isak says Evenās mom is paying him to date Even, as well as the shove. Precious.
Also what an excellent bit of banter, that Isak brings it back to Evenās mom wanting to āmeetā him. Ha! Tarjeiās delivery is so so good here, Isak seems so happy and good-natured. And a tiny thing, but I love that he starts to get his line out when Even is still reacting, and then restarts it. Itās one of Skamās naturalistic touches, it makes it seem less like a rehearsed, scripted TV show and more realistic.
They tease each other, Even wants some of that money, Isak says itās his money, this is all flirting. They really really want each other at this point. I think Evenās ādriveā is back, if you know what I mean. I felt like he was two seconds away from throwing Isak up on the counter.
And that great kiss! Itās so different from the other kisses in this scene! Seriously, theyāve exchange four different kisses in about 2-3 minutes; 1) the brief, familiar hello kiss 2) the sweet, tender āgonna meet your momā kiss 3) the passionate, teasing banter kiss 4) the āI canāt believe Iām here with youā entertained kiss. They all have different lengths, different levels of intensity, different gestures that go along with them. Imagine your OTP having this amount of variety. (I can!)
We cut to Vilde, probably because whatever happened next with Evak wouldāve melted computer screens. Vilde is hanging up ornaments. Specifically, an ornament with a cute cat on it. Magnus approaches her. Itās a little quiet between them, although Magnus seems happy just to be near her. He asks her if she likes cats. Well, we know she does? She went as a cat for Halloween that one year. Anyway, she smiles as if he asked her the best question ever.
Magnus says he does too. Vilde seems to consider this fact with grave importance. Whatever will she do with this amazing piece of information?
What she does is meow. She meows, everybody.
Luckily, Magnus is charmed and/or turned on by this. He asks what was that, and while at first she downplays it, he asks her to do it again, and she does it again, meowing with perhaps even greater enthusiasm. Where the first meow was uncertain, this meow is imbued with confidence and Vildeās beautiful smile.
Magnus is getting massively turned on from this, letās be real. Heās biting his lip and looking at Vilde like sheās a snack. He suddenly gets serious and says heās never fucked before and he really wants to fuck. Well, heās being honest, Iāll say that much.
Vilde considers this admission of truth, and says, with dignity, that Magnus is welcome to fuck her, with a satisfied smile. Magnus looks as if she has given him the world and thanks her so itās barely audible. He swoops in and kisses her.
Okay, look ā¦ feelings about the overall execution of Magnus/Vilde after this point aside, this is a funny and weirdly cute scene. Itās dopey and awkward but earnest, these kids are being deadly serious.
So when do we think these two got it on? Did they leave together and go to one of their homes, or did they find an empty room in Isakās flat? Was there a line of people waiting to use the bathroom as Magnus and Vilde were busy? I feel like Isak would suddenly become Mr. Clean and sanitize the entire apartment if Magnus and Vilde had fucked there. (I mean, maybe thatās how you get Isak to do his duties and pick up after himself around the flat. Rent out the space for Magnus/Vilde private time, and afterwards Isak will go on a cleaning frenzy.)
Eva is painting an ornament and Isak asks to sit next to her. I feel like this scene was here mostly because people wanted Isak and Eva to interact, after going a whole season where they barely spoke, but it works, this scene feels fitting. Itās a conversation between the two of them where Isak gets to demonstrate how much heās grown.
They even comment on how itās been a long time since theyāve talked, which is understandable; I think Isakās actions in S1 did something really drastic to their friendship, understandably, and that even after they talked about it, it wasnāt the same. Plus Eva broke up with Jonas so she wasnāt in Isakās orbit as much, and Eva had made her own group of friends. Though I do think they were friendly in their own right, there just werenāt as many chances to hang out as they used to have.
They used to hang out so much, and now they only say hi at school. Awwww. Isnāt that the way it often goes? At least Isak and Eva mention how they should hang out more often, that they miss the times when they would hang out, in junior high and summer before Nissen. When there was a lot of drama, lol. Thatās when Eva and Jonas would have gone behind Ingridās backs and cheated, and when she found out and all that. I can see it being a total mess? I believe Eva, Ingrid, Sara, Jonas, and Isak used to hang out more as a group - like didnāt Isak and Sara have a kind of romance going on in junior high? They dated a little bit? I canāt see that as anything serious, but that group seemed to have a lot of entanglements.
Eva mentions that Isak has gotten a boyfriend. Isak says yes, with some pride, and maybe a touch of astonishment that heās gotten that far, to the point where he has a boyfriend.
They look over at Even, whoās assisting Eskild hang some mistletoe. Even is the exact person you need to help you hang up anything around the house, letās be real. Eva comments that Even is very handsome, and Isak agrees - another moment where he can allow himself to admit that a guy is hot. Not even to Even, this time, but to Eva! To another person!Ā
Eva jokes that she might steal Even. I wonder if the comment about āYou better watch out for me, I might steal him,ā lighthearted as it was, is what prompted Isak to bring up the S1 drama and apologize again. It prompted some memories of last year and his own behavior. Honestly, I think Isak had this talk in mind before he sat down - we know heās been trying to bury the hatchet and make amends with people he has hurt. But maybe he didnāt know quite how to bring it up, and this was what gave him the push to do so.
Isak says heās been thinking about what happened last year, and he wants to apologize for doing what he could to break up Eva and Jonas. It wasnāt right. Interesting that he makes clear he has been thinking about it lately, like the guilt has been weighing on him. I think maybe, because he got a taste of what happened with Eva recently, with him being outed at school versus her being bullied after he exposed that she kissed Chris, he can put herself in her shoes and understand exactly what spilling her secret did to her.
Again, this is why I like Isak. He fucks up but he apologizes. He does have empathy, he does care about how his actions affect people. He may not always get it right the first time, but heās not some completely selfish little shit.
Eva says that Isak didnāt fuck things up between them, it was her and Jonas who fucked things up. Isak says he still feels like he tricked her, such as saying he had feelings for her. Ultimately, Eva and Jonas had their own issues - if these issues of doubt and lack of trust didnāt exist, then Isak wouldnāt have been able to come between them no matter how much scheming he did. Jonas and Eva did plenty on their own to tank their relationship. But Isak did throw some logs on the fire. And honestly, him lying about why he betrayed Eva, that he liked Eva instead of Jonas - thatās probably the least wrong thing he did, lmao. I can at least sympathize with why he lied about that.
Eva laughs and says she figured that out. She never mentions the BUTT and related content on the phone, which is fair, it would probably be embarrassing and an invasion of privacy. She says that sheās over it and he should be too. Awww. Itās nice of them to really lay it out there and get over this stuff. Isak looks at her so pleased. I mean, Isak apologized and they talked about it at the end of S1, but the thing is, it didnāt really heal their friendship or anything. I think they needed time for the wounds to heal, space from each other ā¦ Evaās gained independence and Isak has found his real self. Theyāre both more mature people, so this can be some old drama to leave in the past, basically.
Eva wants to change the subject to Isakās new boyfriend, obviously a very hot topic. Is he the man of Isakās life, she asks?
Isak takes this question way more seriously than necessary, lmao, though not in a bad way! He says he doesnāt know, and ohhhh boy, while I like this speech a lot, I donāt blame anyone for having a kneejerk WTF at that. Even Eva seems taken aback, like maybe sheās not thinking Evak OTP 4-Ever but she wasnāt expecting this kind of blunt response. She wants to know why.
He asks whether itās important, and she says no, but wants to know if things are going well with him and Even. Isak says itās great now, but a week ago it was very bad, itās up and down. I do want to point out that like, Isak and Even are just settling into their relationship, and two weeks ago Isak was blindsided by Evenās manic episode. This was something he was completely unprepared to deal with. But now he knows that Even is bipolar, theyāre more open with each other, Isak has educated himself and risen to the occasion on taking care of Even. So I do think Isak is maybe overstating how āup and downā it will be from now on - obviously things wonāt be perfect, no relationship is, but I think itās fair to think that their relationship will be more stable going forward. Again, Isak is new to this relationship, heās really new to any romance based on genuine feelings rather than fake feelings. Itās natural to have doubts, and heās being pretty mature here acknowledging both the good and the bad.
He says the reason itās so good when itās good is why itās so bad when itās bad. Makes sense. Isak hurt so much at various points of the season because his feelings for Even were very real and intense, and when things were going swimmingly, they were amazing. The thing with love is that you are always risking something.Ā In order to get the happiness that comes with love, you have to be willing to accept the potential pain as well.
āSuddenly it can be over tomorrow.ā Isak :( It does make me a little sad that he has to live with this idea, but again, itāsĀ mature in the long run. And frankly you could say this about any relationship, even ones with no obvious obstacles.
But this is also in line with the minutt for minutt approach - take it one day at a time. Donāt put this big stress or these huge expectations on yourself. Like if youāre going to take it one minute at a time so you donāt get weighed down by the bad stuff, then honestly, it kinda makes sense to do so for the good stuff as well? I mean, people get so worked up about what their lives are supposed to be - theyāre supposed to be in a relationship, theyāre supposed to get married and have kids by this or that age, theyāre supposed to get into this university and get that degree and be on that career path according to the calendar. Itās OK to not have it all figured out. Itās OK not to put that stress on yourself.
Regardless, Isak is really happy that he met Even. Not just because he became certain he liked guys, as Eva suggests - and I think Isak was pretty certain about that prior to meeting Even - but because he was fake before. He doesnāt really go into it with Eva, but we know that part of him being fake was pretending to like girls, making out with girls, flirting with girls. Disavowing anything that could be construed as gay. Meeting Even was the catalyst for all of that to change. Meeting Even led to him coming out, to being in a relationship with another boy rather than living a heterosexual lie.
But interestingly, Isak doesnāt limit his fake life to his sexuality. It was him lying at home, watching Narcos and playing video games. Basically being bored and passive. Being detached from the world. He had this secret and I think it led him to retreating from everyone and everything in a meaningful way in order to cover it up. Isak is done with that, he wants his life to be real. He doesnāt want to be an observer or sit on the sidelines, he wants to live authentically and actively. (This explains a LOT about his actions in this episode - why he agrees to host the kosegruppa party for Vilde instead of, say, lying around at home doing nothing. Why he turns down the invitation from the dance girls, the āfakeā invite, in favor of kosegruppa, with the people he cares about. Why he agrees to meet Evenās mom so readily, instead of hiding.) Even if his life becomes terrible at times, itās better than a fake and boring life.
Eva seems very pleased with what Isak says. So does Isak. We get his final lines of the season, which are spectacular: āWhether you believe in Allah, or Jesus, or the theory of evolution, or parallel universes, thereās only one thing we all know for sure...ā
How angelic is this music as heās saying this, by the way? Makes it feel extra profound, heh.
Isak looks to Eva. We hear āBeautiful!ā come from Even, which in a weird way feels like itās a part of this conversation even though itās not. Even is still helping Eskild with the mistletoe.
Eskild almost steals the final shots of the season by doing some kind of exaggerated check on how the mistletoe holds up. Or else heās trying to get someone to come and lay a smooch on him.
Even looks across the room at Isak, and at us the audience, glancing between the mistletoe and Isak and grinning like he has plans for the both of them later. Itās much like he did that first time we saw him in the cafeteria, when he looked right at Isak/us. Only this time, Isak doesnāt force himself to look away, but looks back with some fondness. So, so good. Weāve come full circle, from the first glimpse of Even this season to the last. What a subtle mark of Isakās development and how far heās come.
Isak smiles and looks back to Eva. āThat life is ā¦ā cut to black ānow.ā
CHILLS. MOTHERFUCKING CHILLS. Jesus Christ, the impact of that final line!
That fade to black is Julie reminding us, we the audience, that our lives are now, too. Thereās something especially poignant about this talk of living minute by minute, living in the present, for a show like Skam, with its innovative real-time format. Skam literally airs minute by minute, in the present, or at least it did when airing. āLife is nowā is essentially the central conceit of Skamās structure. Thatās why we talked about it like it was real when it aired. āIs Isak going to meet with Even today?ā āTalk to Jonas already, Isak!ā āEven hasnāt been school for a few days, Iām worried.ā We fit this fictional show into our own real-life narratives, speculating when clips would drop based on real schedules. And hereās Julie basically reminding us that hey ā¦ life goes on when the seasonās over. Our lives are still happening. Sheās reminding us to live in real time as much as the Skam characters do. Embrace the present.
ALT ER LOVE - look, I realize that maybe this quote has been overused, and maybe people wield it as a get out of jail free card because they see any criticism as virulent unnecessary hatred (ādonāt criticize anything about Skam or the remakes! remember alt er love uwuā) but this was so powerful at the time. This was just a quote on Evenās door! And Julie posted it for us on her Instagram after the hotel clip to give us hope, to tell us to hang on, everything would be okay. Here itās made clear within the show, everything is love. I think this was also a love note to the fans, tbh. Much like āSkam <3s Youā from S2.
I love the final choice of song so much, Itās āThank God Itās Christmasā by Queen. Cool to use a band like Queen given that Freddie Mercury is an LGBT icon, and of course the lyrics fit as well:
Oh my love We've had our share of tears Oh my friends We've had our hopes and fears Oh my friends It's been a long hard year But now it's Christmas Yes, it's Christmas Thank God it's Christmas
How beautifully does that fit Isakās relationships? With Even, with his friends. Itās been a rocky ride, but theyāre here together for this Christmas party. Isak is at a much better place in his life. I think pretty much everyone at this party is in a better place than they were previously, arguably. I guess not Noora, depending on your POV? But she seems to be having a good time at this party compared to how she was earlier in the season. Magnus is getting laid, Vildeās getting dick. The boy squad knows whatās up with their bro Isak and theyāre all closer than ever. Even is in a new, loving relationship with someone who understands him and heās making new social connections, heās surviving in a new school, he has hope for the future. Isakās closer with all his friends and has even made some new ones. Heās out of the closet. Heās on better terms with his mom. Heās in love with someone who loves him back.Ā He and Even have gone through hell to get to this point. This happy ending feels utterly earned.
Social Media/Final Comments:
The texts from this week between Isak and Kollektivet are some of my favorite in the entire series. I think itās fair that say that the Kollektivet taking care of Even is one of my favorite things in the whole season. I wish we had gotten to see more of it, though I understand why we didnāt (and we did get some hints in the clips themselves, like Isakās phone call to Eskild, Linn playing FIFA with Even, and Even calling out Isak on asking his roommates to look after him). But good Lord, what a wonderful use of social media this week.
After Minutt for minutt, Eskild texts Isak wondering if heās in his room. Not a metaphor, he clarifies, lmao. He keeps texting āAnswer meā and thereās a nod to S2ās hashtag #williammĆ„svare, this time with isakmĆ„svare (William/Isak must answer). Finally, Isak tells his guru to chill. Everythingās OK. What a simple but satisfying answer. Like the clip, itās reassuring as a cool drink of water.
In a Kollektivet text, Isak reveals he has taken Linnās pizza to make food for Even. Both she and Eskild ask how Even is doing. Isak says that it seems Even is doing better, heās sleeping a lot - Sonja told him he sleeps a lot when heās depressed. Even also ate half the pizza, which Iāve seen people attribute to people overeating during depression (itās common to eat too much or too little) but also like ā¦ a teenage boy eating half a frozen pizza isnāt that wild to me even when heās not depressed, lmao. So itās as serious as you want it to be.
One of the absolute best lines from Eskild, or anybody, perfectly summing up Isakās character: āTo think that there is so much care in your little grumpy teenager body.ā
And Isakās perfectly Isak response: āWhatever.ā His character in a nutshell.
Isak says he canāt miss any more school but also doesnāt want to leave Even alone, quite reasonable of him. He asks about the othersā availability during the day. Eskild and Noora agree to be there. Eskild offers to create a schedule for the whole week with Excel, lmao - heās always so over-the-top about everything, but heās always got to do the most to take care of people. Like he is throwing himself into this project of nurturing. Isak asks if itās OK if Even wants to stay the whole week, and the roommates agree. When there is room in the house, thereās room in the heart. Isak thanks them.
This is so sweet and so kind. The roommates barely know Even - although, to be fair, he did seem to make quite an impression on Eskild and Noora when he was making breakfast, lol. And there was that one week where Eskild was taking and sharing Evak cuddle pictures! But still they have embraced him and welcomed him into the flat, an already crowded apartment. Itās both kindness for Even and kindness for Isak. They know how much he means to Isak. And as Eskild notes, they know how good Isak is being with Even, how much kindness he is showing. Even is bringing out the best of Isak. Kollektivet is such a warm, loving place to live.
The next day, Eskild gives a status report on his time with Even while Isak was away, as we saw mentioned in the locker clip. Eskild made Even a snack and managed to get Even out of bed to play Yahtzee and watch some Planet Earth. OK, now I really feel deprived of all we didnāt get to see this week. Youāre lying if you donāt want to see what playing Yahtzee and binging nature documentaries is like with Eskild and Even. He notes that Even was in a better mood when he left.
As opposed to Eskildās detailed report, Noora is like, Even was chill. When pressed for details, Noora says he slept and she made him a cup of tea. Eskild is disappointed she didnāt go full status report like he did, lmao. Isak says he took Even out to get a kebab, so thatās good, that Even was able to go out and leave the flat.
Vilde posts a little IG story, I think, promoting the Christmas party. I would not be surprised if Ulrikke made this up on the fly, because thereās something Ulrikke-ish rather than Vilde-ish in her delivery, heh.
Actually, whatās amusing is that this video seems like a direct response to her conversation with Isak earlier that day? Iām not positive that it was posted after that clip, but I think it was. She says that sheās aware kosegruppa isnāt the first thing on peopleās minds during the busy holiday season, which is her responding to what Isak said about almost forgetting kosegruppa. And in the description, she makes sure to note that you canāt join just for the fun!
She also says, āAre you finding it hard to get out of bed because itās dark outside?ā and I think itās total coincidence but damn does that match Evenās mood right now. And the Christmas party will be a mark of him climbing out of his depressive episode.
On Tuesday, Noora texts Isak that Even wonāt come out of his room, and that she went inside but didnāt reach him - he must have been too down to respond to her. Isak thanks her and lets her know heās coming home. When Noora wants to know if thereās anything they can do, Isak says heās calling Sonja.
I like this text for multiple reasons. First, it establishes the up and down nature of Evenās condition. Even had been doing better on Monday, when Eskild played games and watched TV with him. But heās not out of the woods yet. Depression can be unpredictable, sometimes youāre down when you āshouldnātā be. Second, I like this little Isak and Noora interaction, and that she contacted him when she was worried. Thatās a relationship we donāt get a ton of, but I like that sometimes we see an understanding between their characters, such as the episode 6 clip where he snaps and then tells her Williamās an idiot if he gives up on her.Ā Third, that Isak goes to Even ASAP when he hears Even isnāt doing well. Fourth, that Isak contacts Sonja for help. Heās not holding back out of pride, heās not afraid to ask for help. Itās important because itās Sonja and thereās no beef there, heās not reluctant to contact her to help with Even. And moreover, this is what Isak has learned over the course of the season! Heās realized that heās not alone, that he can reach out to people for help. Being able to ask for help makes him such a more capable person, it shows his maturity and it keeps him from struggling by himself.
Later, in a Kollektivet chat, Noora checks in with Isak, who says that Even is OK and they watched a movie, heās sleeping now. Eskild asks to switch Even shifts because he has toāsell krill at Karl Johan.ā Errr, so is that an actual job he has? Or is Eskild being Eskild?
Linn offers to take the shift and says that she sees a lot of herself in Even. While Noora laughs at the idea of manic Linn, and Eskild says that if Linn is bipolar, Eskild is straight, itās not that wild of an idea for Linn to recognize parts of herself in Even. Linn is probably not bipolar, we donāt get any indication of mania from her, but she's likely depressed. I mean, even Vilde was able to pick up on it, lol. Eskild says when theyāre done with the āsecure Even project,ā theyāll do the āactivate Linnā project. I mean, I certainly hope so?Ā
He says that 2017 will be Linnās year. Not that we got too much of a glimpse into Linnās 2017, but Iād like to think that Kollektivet looked into getting Linn some help for her depression. (I also remember that some people were likeĀ āLinn for S4??ā after that text, lol.)
Vilde texts Isak about the Christmas tree after their phone conversation Wednesday. She wants Isak to pick it up. Heās like, stress. Vilde insists that he get the tree because itās Christmas and Christmas is about love, kosegruppa is about love, all you need is love! Why do I get the feeling love is on Vildeās mind? I donāt know, maybe because she ācasuallyā tells Isak he can invite Magnus and the others. Since the party is at Isakās anyway. You know, no big deal. When heās like, Iāll ask, she wants to know if theyāll have something else planned. Ha, she is really worried that Magnus wonāt be there!Ā
And itās funny that sheās so obsessed with getting the Christmas tree because itās Christmas and Christmas means love, and that what brings Vilde and Magnus together is a moment together at the tree, Vilde hanging up the cat ornament.
Also, yet another example of Vilde making a request of Isak, him putting up an argument briefly before agreeing to whatever she says.
One of the most meaningful IG posts in the whole series: Isakās Friday picture of him and Even. Itās Isak and Even, out in public somewhere - itās impossible to tell where, but it definitely seems like theyāre out in the daylight, on the sidewalk. Even is kissing Isak on the cheek, a hand under his chin. Isak is smiling into the camera. And the caption - āno filter.āĀ
Of course the meaning is much more than not using an Instagram filter. Itās that Isak no longer has a filter over this part of his life. He can live openly as himself, in love with Even. Consider that not even a year ago, Isak posted couple pics with him and Sara. Consider that just a few months ago, he posted a fuckboy-ish meme: āIf you canāt remember her name in the morning, take her to Starbucks.ā Then Isak graduated to posting a picture of Even on his Instagram. It was Even by himself, though wearing Isakās shirt. And now we have Isak and Even together, clearly affectionate, clearly unable to deny the nature of their relationship. I mean, we see in S4 that Sara was all EHHHHH??????? about this picture, very caught off guard that her ex is dating a dude.Ā
But this is one way that the social media format can add so much to the story! Isakās character development is charted through his social media posts. Itās fantastic.
Also, itās a nice bit of optimism, because Even is clearly out and about, so heās doing a little better, too.
In a boy squad text, Magnus pitches his brilliant idea of an app that watches YouTube videos for you to save time. I genuinely have no idea what the point of that is. Is the app going to summarize the video for you? Anyway, clearly, not the worldās best idea but Isak jokes that Magnus should call NAV (the public welfare agency).
Isak asks if the boys are coming to the kosegruppa party. Magnus doesnāt even know if Isak is serious with that, but of course Isak is totally serious.
Mahdi and Jonas seem unenthusiastic and unsure about the party, but all Isak has to do is drop in that Vildeās coming to the party, and Magnus is like, OK, done. Lmao, Isak. I love that Vilde was so concerned that the boys would have other plans and then all Isak has to say to Magnus is that Vilde will be there and itās settled.
The last text message of the season is between Isak and Sonja, of all people. But I love that it is. Isak thanks her for her advice and wishes her Merry Christmas. Itās a kind gesture. Isak is appreciative of the people whoāve helped him, and he hasnāt forgotten that Sonja has helped him. He isnāt mad at her, he doesnāt have a grudge of anything. And Sonja replies back, Merry Christmas to you two as well. Apparently she is definitely clarifying that she means to the two of them, Isak and Even as a couple, and not just Isak. Thatās also meaningful. She has accepted that Isak and Even are a duo now, itās no longer Even and Sonja, itās Isak and Even. Iām not saying sheās totally over it by now or anything, that she doesnāt have any remaining feelings for Even or anger or sadness over how their relationship ended, but sheās accepted it. I think itās likely that this is possibly the last time Isak reached out for her, that he didnāt ask her for help after this (and Even seems mostly out of his dark period so Isak might not need help for a while, anyway, and by that time he might have talked to Even himself and been able to get more information out of him on what Even needs when heās up or down). If this is the last time they talked, itās a nice final message, both of them respectful, Sonja in the process of moving on.
Iām sure Even talked to Sonja himself at some point. I donāt know if they stayed in touch too much, but Iām sure they had to talk at least for practical reasons, like they probably had some of each otherās stuff that they had to return, things like that. And I think that they probably needed a final goodbye conversation just to clear the air between them. Maybe not right away, maybe they needed a little time, but hopefully they could talk it out so they didnāt have any lingering bitterness or anything. Even if their relationship went poorly in the end, they still had years together, and they were important to each other.
And our last IG post of the season: a group pic at the kosegruppa Christmas party. We have the complete boy squad (with Even!), girl squad, Eskild, Linn, Penetrator Chris, and three randos who are there to make it look like an actual club, I guess (fair enough!) One of them is Tarjeiās friend Rumen. Though itās funny that almost half of these people are not even in kosegruppa.Ā (Or so they think. Because the rest of the boy squad is definitely getting dragged into it.)
In the pic, Magnus gazes longingly at Vilde - was this picture before or after their hookup? Is he staring at Vilde still wondering how to approach her, or is he waiting for this photo session to be over so they can get to the bone zone already?
Magnus isnāt the only one doing some ogling. P-Chris eyeballs Eva, and who of us can blame him?
The randos seem like the appropriate people to be in kosegruppa; theyāre making weird expressions and one of them wields a rolling pin as if she can administer a beating to the first taker.Ā
Eskild hugs Mahdi around the waist, and Mahdi seems pleased with this! Awww. Again, WHERE was my boy squad/Eskild content in the show?Ā
And finally, of course we have Isak and Even, looking casually cuddly, Evenās arms around Isakās chest and Isakās arms over Evenās. Being able to be together just like that. Merry Christmas, everybody.
Iām not sure what else I can say about this season that I havenāt said elsewhere throughout these reaction posts, so I guess Iāll be redundant: season three of Skam is a masterpiece. It really is. There is barely anything I would change, and honestly even the few criticisms I can make are very small, so much that theyāre just tweaks and nitpicks rather than radical overhauls of the material. Iām completely fine with the season as is. A thousand times more than fine, actually.
I watched this season in real time, from the pool scene to episode 10, and all that time I was expecting something to go off the rails. I was expecting something to fall down and disappoint me, and instead this season never went wrong. In fact, it turned out better than I expected every single time. The writing was better. The acting was better. This beautiful relationship at the core of the season developed into the best romance Iāve seen on screen, with electric chemistry. The friendships and platonic relationships became vital to the seasonās importance, each one of them different and fulfilling a unique purpose - Isakās friendship with Jonas is not the same as his friendship with Sana is not the same as his friendship with Eskild. Isak himself is a wonderful character. Yes, heās prickly and grumpy. Yes, sometimes he does stuff that isnāt kind or likable. Yes, heās very flawed. But we saw him grow from a repressed, unhappy kid in the closet to an empathetic, determined young man living authentically as himself, able to reach out to others, apologize for his mistakes, and display all the goodness and love that he was capable of. Tarjei made Isak into someone I always rooted for, at his worst and at his best. Thatās not to even go into the additional strengths of season three, such as the multifaceted symbolism and the dynamite soundtrack.
This last episode shows why Skam is such a wiser, kinder show than most. We get an ending that is realistic and not exactly a fairy tale - itās not like Evenās mental illness is cured by love or that weāre supposed to think everything will be all right, always. But we get an ending that is highly optimistic about Isakās future, and Isak and Evenās relationship. We get scenes of characters quietly understanding each other without words. We get scenes of characters apologizing to each other for past mistakes. We get scenes of characters encouraged to be themselves, and expressing happiness at being able to live like themselves. We get scenes and messages of characters taking care of each other. This is why I love Skam so much. This is why people gripped onto this show so tightly and why many still have not been able to let go. This is why you are reading this more than two years later.
Out of curiosity, I compiled these recaps and the word count from these S3 reactions is 136,721 words. So if you got through all of that, really, I fucking love you.Ā
Because Iām a cornball, I posted all of these S3 reactions at 21:21.
Thank you again for reading my S3 reactions! Alt Er LoveĀ ā¤ļø
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Leo, do you think Macidus recognized Keith's potential to be a druid? He says the druids were forsaken because of Keith's 'treachery,' which might imply Keith has reasons beyond his heritage to be loyal to Haggar, or at least for people to expect him to be
Listen Iām so excited to talk about Keith and Macidus!! First things first though, Iām going to try to get a handle on what happened on that planet originally, so hereās how I see it:
The thing about flashbacks isā¦weāve never seen imagery of a flashback that lied in Voltron, and I donāt believe weāre about to start now. The voiceover here, Maciudus being an extremely unreliale narratorāthatās whatās false. But until proven otherwise, Iām taking all the visuals as fact. And so, hereās the interesting thing. We see Macidus say that his people helped the BOM establish their base. And the animation there supports that. But later, when he lies and says his people helped the Marmora fight the Druids? Youāll notice only the Marmorans are shown attacking Druids, and Macidusā people are nowhere to be seen. So yeah, Iām taking everything here to meanāwe can trust the visuals of the flashback, but not Macidusā whole narration of it. Thatās key.
Now, that being said, thereās something veryā¦heartbreaking to me if you look at the events with this view. Macidus says this is his home planet, and I donāt think heās lying on that front. I genuinely believe this is where Druids have either originated from, or are born and raisedātrained. The Druids also look very much like the people originally from the planet. You can see their hands look the same, and that their forearms and legs have the same bandaging, the fact that they all wear masksājust, little visual cues here and there. Anyway, when the battle starts, Macidus mentions that āhis peopleā tried to escape, but they were slaughtered. And we have animated visuals to corroborate that. We have a stillframe of what appears to be very young, child druids being led away in an attempt to escape some sort of brutal slaughter.Ā
And you know what? They appear to be running from Galra ships. I donāt think the BOM would ever just murder children, Druids or not. So then, whatās the alternative? Were there some who didnāt want to fight, and tried to escapeāonly to be hunted down by their own as deserters? Were a good number of these people Druids that had broken from Haggarās service after she disappeared and tried to live better lives, only for those still loyal to Haggar to turn on them? I have to wonder, becauseā¦thereās really a lot of interesting implications here, none of them positive. And whatever happened to these peopleādid Macidus see them as traitors who deserved it? Did he truly believe the BOM were at fault for what happened and resents them for it? Was he with them or against them? I canāt help butĀ wonder.Ā
So, moving on toĀ ādruid Keithā!! Iāve said this many times before, but there are tons of indications that Keith has some druid-like ability, and that this manfiests as a kind of quintessence sensitivityāyou know, like beingĀ āForce Sensitiveā in star wars. Because, right from the beginning, you have Keith demonstrating this inexplicable affinity for quintessence. He senses the Blue Lion a whole year before her own pilot, and in the very same episode, we see Haggar also sense Blue in a similar way.Ā For a time, he was the only one able to connect with his Lion over a long distance, and he did it literally five seasons before the other paladins.Ā
Keith goes after Haggarās ship when she tries to destroy Naxzela becasue he can just feel that somethingās wrong and he needs to be there. Itās the kind of prophetic intuition that is certainly very reminescent of quintessence based magic. Fun fact, in the comics, an alien civilization even refers to Haggar as theĀ āharuspex,ā which is basically like an ancient Roman prophet who foretold omens.Ā When theyāre fighting Lotor in season 6, as soon as Lotor disappears, everyoneās looking at the spot where he vanished. Keithās gaze, however, is suddenly drawn elsewhereāand he literally turns and looks in the spot right where Lotor appears before he even begins to materialize. We see him later demonstrate this same ability to kill Macidus. And of course, thereās this:
Listen, I got chills watching this!! (They threw in a lot of horror movie type scenes here by the way, and I loved every moment of it, lmao). But!! Macidus called out this instance of Keith healing his own hand with raw quintessence, he made a specific reference to itāmockinglyāas if thereās something more going on here that he knows and Keith doesnāt. And Iām talking about more than just his identity. The way he mentions Keithās hand, he says it like itās something that just shouldnāt be possible. And he canāt help but comment on the peculiarity of it.Ā
And you know, itās also really interesting that Kosmo is brought into this fight to put Keith and Macidus on more level ground. Keithās not a Druid, but the fact that heās able to sense Macidus, that Kosmo is teleporting him to make up for the fact that he canāt, that Keith is given all theseĀ āpseudo druidā abilties as these parallels are drawnāitās certainly interesting.Ā
Back to Macidusā comment on Keithās handāIĀ honestly donāt think he would have said something like that if he didnāt find it to be intriguing in some way. I mean, not for anything, but Keith used raw quintessence to heal his handāweāve only ever seen Druids and Sacred Alteans capable of things like that. His hand shouldnāt have just healed like that, and Macidus knows it. Itās also very interesting to me that Macidusā fight with Keith stuck out so much in his mindāeven though it was clearly a losing battle for him.Ā
Thereās still something about Keith that left a mark for him, and the fact that he has so much animosity focused on Keith specifically is a sure sign of it. I mean, heās so loyal to Haggar, and Haggar very obviously had a clear grudge against Allura, so beyond that one confrontation, whatās his bone to pick with Keith?? Is it simply because Keith is now a BOM member, or something more?
Because, speaking of personal grudgesāyeah, letās look at that one line, as cryptic and hard to decipher as it is:Ā āOur high priestess, Haggar, has forsaken us because of your treachery. But after I kill you and the other paladins, Haggar will allow me to return!ā Personally, Iād love to believe theĀ āyouā here is singular and thereās something about Keith specifically thatās sparking all of this, but Iām honestly lost as to how?? How has Keith personally slighted Haggar in such a way that Macidus is convinced he betrayed her?? Unless heās a Druid but thatās probably just me being wishful,,Ā
At first, I wondered if maybe it was an overarching statement of how the BOM are all traitors to the empire?? But then how do the paladins factor into it? Iām honestly dying to know just what sort of propoganda Macidus was raised off of and why he longs for Haggarās acceptance so fervently, just what is thisĀ ātreacheryāā¦was part of HaggarāsĀ ācultāāshe is referred to as their High Priestessādid some of that worship include Voltron in a way?? Using Voltron to reopen the rifts to some sort of gateway to paradise?? Were they all promised entriy into Oriande or something like it?? Is KeithāsĀ ātreacheryā leading Voltron as it closed off the rift and ādestroyedāĀ Haggarās son, driving her to desert the Druids?Ā
As for where Haggar went, I think most of us can probably agree she went off to the Altean colony, grabbed them all and took them elsewhere. And you know what? The fact that Druids like Macidus feel abandoned is something that rings very true to me, because honestlyā¦I think the Druids were like a temporary replacement for Sacred Alteans. I think that, as soon as Haggar had access toĀ ārealā alchemists, she realized she no longer needed the Druids. I think sheās probably been spending years training Sacred Alteans on the colony and taking the chosen ones to Oriande. I think sheās got an entire army of alchemists at her finger tips and sheās reveling in it. I think she left the Druids after building up an entire religion wherein they were wholly dependent on her simply because she found a new set of people to manipulate that worked better for her.Ā
Now, letās consider our timeline for a moment. Macidus says, āI have called this place home for two deca-phebes,ā and āIām so grateful that you are [back]. Itās been so long since Iāve hadā¦guests.ā This implies that heās been living here for over two years, and by himself for most of, if not all that time. We also know that there wereĀ āheavy casualtiesā on both sides, and that, when Macidus awoke after the battle, he was theĀ ālone survivor.ā And now, years later, heās still carrying out Haggarās last order. Still trying to lure in and kill Marmoran agents as if Haggar will return any day. Whatever life these Druids had, it was solely built up around Haggarās will, and seeing the aftermath when it all comes crashing down is honestly horrifying.Ā
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You seem pretty well versed in Peter and Mary Janeās history, and I just want to ask, can you go in depth about Mary Janeās personality? I know her history, her terrible home life, her history with Peter, but I want to know about HER. Her personality. Her dynamic with Peter. I feel these days that sheās been reduced to the āPretty love interestā for Spider-Man, which I hate. I KNOW Mary Jane has a lot of depth and evolution as a character.
I know sheās a party girl. Fun loving. Spunky. Independent. Funny. Intelligent. Confident. But I want to know MORE about her, as a person. What else does she do in her life? How does she interact with other people? Before she got in serious relationships, did she sleep around? Was the type of gal that did drugs? Is she open minded? Those seem like weird questions, I admit, I admit, but they really help define her character. How energetic and charismatic is she? Does she completely control the life of the party?
Mary Jane has really become a character Iām really interested in, but Iāve never really seen her āComic Accurateā personality adapted to a modern adaptation right. The closest I would say would be the Spectacular, but even then she felt too calm.
So I want your answer. I wouldnāt mind hearing an in-depth one. I know youāve got idealized versions (And I do to, I think I can go on an essay long rant about why I think the two complete each other) but I want to hear YOUR opinion. And if you could adapt the story into the modern day, what would your idealized Mary Jane be like? How would she and Peterās lovely history happen?
Sorry for the long, oddly specific question, but I really want to figure out MJ, and you look like you have the matching passion and knowledge to help interested fans in her like me.
MJās personality is tricky because it evolves over time. But modern MJ when written correctly would have, as we all do, multiple sides to her personality.
She can be goofy, funny, carefree, a party animal, a worry wort, self-deprecating, harsh to her loved ones, selfish, self sacrificing, brave, fearful (but never cowardly), ambitious, beat herself up, socially savvy, very confifident, innately sociable, can keep a secret and just about everything between all that.
Ā Her dynamic with Peter is also very complicated, itās ort of easier to talk about examples you throw out at me. But I guess on a fundamental level her dynamic with Peter is all about mutual emotional fulfilment and how that is ultimately mitigates the extreme baggage that comes from life with a hero.
You can phrase it in many different ways but fundamentally MJ loves Peter because of his sense of responsibility.
In essence her Dad was her male role model in terms of a romantic partner, but in the negative. So she found herself attracted to a guy who on a certain superficial level (studious, a bookworm) was like her Dad but on a much deeper level was the polar opposite. Peter wasnāt a raving tyrant, he wasnāt a selfish dick, he wasnāt irresponsible.
She grew up under the fear of a (verbally) abusive man but in Peter she saw a guy who in spite of having a lot of intelligence and raw physical power to also be an abusive and exploitative person, instead NEVER truly abused his gifts and chiefly used them selflessly, even at personal cost.
It is not canon but a great summation of this is in Spider-Man: Reign #4 where MJās ghost tells Peter she didnāt love him because he could beat bullies like Flash up but because he could but never would.
Similarly in Web #6 MJ ponders how she could never marry peter due to the worry over his risking his life and how if he didnāt do that heād have been someone sheād have jumped to marry. But then she realizes if he was someone who was selfishly going to use his abilities for fame and fortune heād never have BEEN the kind of person sheād have fallen for.
So MJ, unlike Peterās other girlfriends, is the one who loved him for the thing that most defined, him his sense of responsibility.
But itās a double edged sword because in caring about him, she obviously doesnāt want him to be hurt, hence you have this brilliant narrative tension.
Wrapped up in this is the fact that MJ understands Peterās issues with guilt and responsibility because she also renegaded upon her responsibilities and has felt guilty about it ever since because it also hurt her family.
So they are kindred spirits but whilst Peter passively stood by and let the burglar escape MJ actively ran away from her pregnant sister.* Then both of them kept that pain all to themselves for years before admitting it to one another, whilst also keeping their true personalities concealed behind public masks, meaning MJ gets that about him too.
But in confiding in one another they were able to remove those masks and be themselves in one anotherās company.
You asked what else MJ does in her life. Mostly she has great ambitions in regards to usually acting, modelling, night club owning, stuff like that. MJ enjoys the spotlight and always has since she was a child.
Her interactions with most people used to be light and jokey or flirtatious. Now they are more even handed though she can be lightly flirtatious just because its in her personality.
MJās sex life is very much up in the air. Fans have presumed she had a lot of sex prior and after her first relationship with Peter but there is little on the page evidence confirming or denying this. Certainly she went out on a lot of casual dates.
MJ in terms of drugs is also something never touched upon in spite of her name. However the subtext of the Harry drug story implies MJ is aware of Harryās drug abuse and she does dump him during that arc specifically when he is as high as a kite so it could be implied from this that MJ has little time for drugs.
When you think about it, between her abusive Dad and her need to maintain a facade around herself itās unlikely MJ was going to use drugs. She woulnāt want to risk losing any control of her facade. She did smoke in high school though and later due to stress when she was married to Peter, but only briefly.
Is MJ open minded? Well...that depends upon the topic doesnāt it. She isnāt racist or homophobic. She was okay with doing a nude scene in a movie or wearing revealing lingerie on a modelling gig, only really being concerned with how Peter might feel about her doing that, so sheās no prude. She did display an initial prejudice against clones during the Clone Saga. Again what topic are we talking about.
How energetic or charaismatic is she. I mean...very charismatic and energetic most of the time. but it depends upon the situation. Sheās not gonna be charismatic or emergetic after someone has died.
MJ could probably control the life of a party if she put her mind to it, yes.
Regarding the Spec cartoon, yes maybe MJ wasnāt comic accurate and more calm but in fairness everyone was because you arenāt going to present a modern cartoon with the same over the top characterization as a Stan Lee 1960s comic book. Peter was comparatively more chill in that show.
In terms of how Iād adapt her and Peterās story and her characterization it would basically be as it was from the comics but with modern dialogue and pacing with more foreshadowing towards MJ having a hidden personality. I have mapped out my ideal Spider-Man TV series and in that you get MJ in season 2 ala her Romita era debut and then things are as they are in the comics up until she breaks up with Harry. Iād leave them separated unlike what happened in the comics (due to them repurposing an older story where they were together but thatās another issue) then have her and Peter fall in love as they did in the Conway run and break up as they did in the Wolfman run but change it from Peter proposing to MJ to asking her to move in with him.
My rationale is that in the modern day its very uncommon even for a college senior to be discussing marriage. Youād get the same thing with him surprising MJ with a crackerjack box or something but itād have his apartment key in it instead of a wedding ring.
Additionally, Iād have her outright dump him (as opposed to the pair just not going steady anymore) and leave New York within the same story, the same story where Peter graduates, just because itād make for a good season finale and makes the story more concise. In essence MJ just hard runs away from Peter the moment commitment rears its head.
This would lead to more of an impact in the next season when heās dating Felicia and MJ (with no foreshadowing, which is how the comics made things happen) shows up at Peterās door.
Again from there things would progress as they did in the comics except when we get to the MJ backstory episode Iād work her scenes from Parallel Lives into that too.
For reasons I wonāt go into, for this hypothetical adaptation Iād bring the events of Hobgoblin Lives way forward in time so instead of happening when Peter and MJ are married shortly after the Clone Saga they happen shortly after Ned Leeds dies and after Peter and Felicia have broken up again. They would form the basis of another season finale wherein MJās role would be functionally the same as in the comic book but with two additions. Since this would be the season finale there should be some payoff for her and Peterās relationship.
So after she, Peter, Flash and Betty formulate their plan to smoke out the real Hobgoblin MJ asks Peter how he copes with this stuff and he shows her by taking her out webswinging and we homage Sensational Annual 2007. Then later after Hobgoblin beats Peter hard he recovers at MJās place and she covers for him and they almost kiss before he heads off to save Betty.
Iād open the next season with the storyline wherein Peter proposes to MJ and they eventually get engaged. But instead of them marrying immediately Iād adapt loads of stories that in the comics happened after the wedding and use those to present challenges and doubts to Peter and MJ about getting married. Itād basically be a whole season about whether or not they will get married at all.
So youād get things like the Jonathan Caesar storyline, the return of Black Cat, Kravenās Last Hunt as the mid-season finale and the penultimate episodes would be the introduction of Venom. Obviously Venom debuted confronting MJ so there is that, but also Brock is a divorcee, the symbiote is literally one of Peterās exās and a lover scorned, whom he tried to kill in a church bell tower. In the first Venom story and in my version Spidey and Venom end their first battle in that same church bell tower.
All of which is thematically juicy for an arc about relationships and marriage (because wedding bells get it).
Iād make 2 major changes though, one of which is Venomās battle with Felicia from the second Venom arc would happen before he confronts Spidey for the first time and Peter would defeat Venom in his classic suit. The idea being that MJ makes a new version of his classic suit both because she prefers it and because it represents his true self vs the black costume which is what heās like to be.
The classic suit = friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man/ the black suit = bad ass scary Spider-Man.
So only by being himself, by being the person MJ loves, can Peter defeat Venom this dark reflection of himself.
The story would end with Peter and MJ reunited but both clearly having doubts, as though Venom has āpoisonedā their future relationship.
The actual finale would mostly be an adaptation of ASM Annual #21 but with more of a focus upon the doubts each character has and unlike the comic we see HOW those doubts are put to rest. For MJ its having a conversation with Bruce and with Peter its having a conversation with the hospitalized Felicia.
Through their conversations the pair realize that rather than all the stuff theyāve been through (Venom, Kraven, etc) showing them they shouldnāt be together, the fact that theyāre still together in spite of all those things proves that they can make things work. So the season wraps up with them getting married.
The next season would be a Harry Osborn centric season but MJ in response to Peterās parents seemingly returning would seek out her sister and her Dad in jail and reconcile with them like she did in the Clone Saga.
Then Iād do the clone saga so thatās essentially going to be the same thing except obviously Peter will not be hitting any pregnant women in this version because fuck that shit. Also Peter and MJ wouldnāt leave New York although Peter would still temporarily retire as Spider-Man.
Finally Iād do a season set after the Clone Saga leading up to the pair reuniting with their kidnapped baby, Peter losing his powers and truly retiring forever, then we go into a Spider-Girl TV show.
Ā Ā Ā *This is important also because when MJ closed the door after Gwen died to comfort Peter she was choosing to do the OPPOSITE of what sheād done with her sister.
In essence Peter made MJ a better person, he made her confront her issues or helped her to do so and she grew as a result. She became a more heroic, more self-sacrificing and more responsible person. This was always the case since before they were dating Peter pushed for MJ to give a witness statement to the cops about a murder which she didnāt want to do out of fear.
In turn MJ made Peter fight all the harder. He very much needs her in his life as she has emotionally, mentally and physically saved him multiple times, see Kravenās Last Hunt for an example.
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Open Letter to Marlene King
I donāt know if Marlene will ever read this but I wanted to just post and air out some of my feelings after watching PLL last night.
Marlene,
I know you are a busy woman but I would really appreciate if you would take the time to read this. My name is Brittany, Iām 23 years old and have been a long time fan of the show. I have been here since the pilot season one episode one. PLL was a show that got me through some pretty rough times. The show began when I was around 15 years old and honestly that year was one of the roughest of my life. I lost my grandfather, I lost several friends that just grew apart, and it was high school as if that wasnāt stressful enough. PLL was an outlet it was a show that I could turn on and forget about my problems whatever they may be.
It was a show that gave me courage to embrace my quirks. I was the nerdy girl who always loved a good book and who loved school. I was deemed as odd for it but seeing characters like Mona Vanderwaal and Spencer Hastings made me realize that it was okay to be like that. That I wasnāt an oddity that there were strong women characters who were like that in the world.
As I said previously I was around 15 when the show started and had never been apart of any fandom, didnāt know what a ship really fully was. None of it I was clueless but PLL made me experience that for the first time. During the first half of season 1 Spencer and Mona grew to become my favorite characters but just loving two characters changed after one episode in 1B. That episode was 113. The scene where Spencer followed Toby into the ally and watched him cry, in THAT moment I knew that there was something there and I fell head over heels for what would become known as Spoby and they became one of the first ships that I ever loved. I remember after 113 aired saying that I thought they were a good match and people telling me no you are insane they wonāt ever be together, then 119 happened. After that I was a goner. I had found my PLL ship. The one that I would be ride or die with until the very end.
I loved the pureness of them, the fact that they were so deep and complicated. I remember during 2B when you used to give fans tidbits and how you basically told us about the 225 kiss outside of the police station before it even happened just to reassure us Spoby shippers that they would be fine. I remember how during 3B after Tobyās A reveal (that literally had me in so much shock that I about threw my remote at the TV) all of us spoby fans would as you if you could give us ANYTHING at all and you telling us to wait for it. Did I mention that Iām an eternal optimist? I didnāt? Well I am, so during this time I garnered the nickname of Spoby Cheerleader of the fandom because when everyone else was so down I would say, we always have hope, Marlene told us to wait for it and I trust her. Spoby is her baby creation sheāll not do us wrong. And the waiting paid off 324 happened and you gave us two amazing parallels with the hands touching with the coffee mug like in 117 with the snow globe and the call back to the motel in 119. That was the moment that I felt like I let the final guard down and fully trusted you as a writer Marlene.
I know for storyline purposes sometimes you have to mislead. I understand that. Thatās why when 324 happened I was like okay see this proves my point Marlene wonāt betray us. Season 4 was a great season with little to minimal drama and it was nice for a change to be the ship that didnāt have constant drama, but then season 5 happened. The season that I like to pretend doesnāt exist. I understand that couples need to have conflict but having Spencer kiss Colin and Johnny two characters who were in 4 episodes or less just because she was having problems with Toby wasnāt my idea of a great season. But I stuck through it and we got 524, wasnāt happy that Spoby didnāt talk about their problems but I was just happy that they were back together.
Then 6A, the last time we truly saw our ship together. 609 that scene Spencer telling Toby that her speech was about him.. was such a great moment then to come back in 6B and know that they had been ripped apart was pretty heart breaking to say the least. I understand that it was realistic for one of the couples to break up during the jump, I didnāt imagine it would be all 3 of the main couples. I honestly thought that one of them would make it through. Then Yvonne happened.. I loved Yvonne as a character, I love Kara who plays her, but you all as a writing team really did Yvonne and Kara a disservice. Then on top of that Caleb happened.
Before the jump Spencer and Caleb was one of my favorite friendships on this show. Now I canāt stand watching any of their scenes. What was the point in making Spaleb happen? Just to create more drama? Because between that and Yvonne it made a lot of people mad. And all of us spoby shippers had to go through 6B and all of 7A with nothing. Then 710 happened. And I thought there it is, there is hope. There is hope that Spoby will be endgame that they wonāt be rushed but boy was I wrong.
Killing Yvonne was wrong on so many levels and I think you and the other writers realize it. I didnāt WANT Yvonne to die just so Spoby could get back together. After the accident I was fearful thatās what would happen, but then Kara told us she filmed for 713 and I thought okay maybe thatās her last episode and she leaves town. It literally hurt my soul watching her die RIGHT after marrying Toby. Because Yvonne deserved better than that. Kara deserved better than that. But after that all of us spoby fans thought okay so this is their way of making the way for their endgame weāll take it even though it sucks.
Now all of us spoby fans waited.. and waited.. and waited.. Then we got the promo for 718 and we thought FINALLY we are getting our reunion it may be with only 3 episodes left but its better late than never. Then it ends up being a one night stand that obviously never gets talked about. Or so we thought. So we were like okay, well the promo in 720 there is Spoby stuff and we know that Keegan and Troian filmed together so they have to be together right? Boy were we wrong..
I can say honestly that the only good thing to come out of Spencer having a twin was that Troian got to show off her acting chops. I remember a year ago when the twin theories began popping up. I thought cool idea, but I doubt the show will go there and it wouldnāt make a whole lot of sense. I was someone who thought that it was Wren and Melissa. When Torrey was revealed to be filming for the finale I thought it had to be true. Then to find out she filmed the scene at the stables then just filmed those two black hoodie scenes so that way Mona could peel off a mask of her face.. Just.. wow. In my opinion the finale was a mess. The pacing was so fast that it was hard to tell how much time had passed, the scenes jump all overĀ the place that my mother who is a casual watcher mentioned noticing it.
I can tell you that I had only 3 requests of this finale. I didnāt have to have all 3 but I wanted to have at least 2. I walked away with one and a half. Those requests were that AD make sense (did not care if it shocked me or not), that spoby was endgame and we saw them reunite on screen, and lastly that Mona got the endgame she deserved, that she got to have a happy ever after and not die. Ironically enough I thought that the last one was the one that I would walk away without.
This is my main gripe about Alex being AD why? I know in the finale it was explained as her being mad about Ceceās death and wanting revenge. Now to start off 6B it seemed like that was what AD wanted but it seemed as season 7 progressed that became less and less the motivation. By the end of 719 last week I had gathered that whoever AD was had strung the girls along saying they would win once AD knew who killed Cece and that would be that. Then why did AD set them up to where they would get caught with Rollinsā body by Tanner and go after them now a year later and not go after Mona? Mona is the one who killed Cece even if it was an accident, so why would Alex hire Mona on as a helper if thatās the person who killed her sister that she was so hell bent on getting revenge for? It doesnāt add up. The girls had nothing to do with Ceceās death. I would have honestly been fine with there being this many plot holes with the twin thing had you not involved Toby. What was the point of that? Having him basically be raped again without him knowing it. And tainting basically half of the spoby scenes weāve had in 7B to boot. This is my question on some of the scenes where it was supposedly Alex instead of Spencer, how did Alex know about certain things. Like how did she know that Toby invited Spencer to the cabin if it was Spencer in the scene with him at the radley at the beginning of 718? How did Alex know that Toby said something about wanting to try horseback riding with Spencer when it was Spencer in that scene?
Only two scenes saved the final 10 minutes, Toby being able to figure out the correct Spencer and seeing what Mona did with Alex and Mary. I believe it was Keegan who said something about there being one final scene that he filmed with Troian on his last day that was super emotional and that it was just the two of them.. What happened to that scene? Was it cut for time purposes? Instead of doing the final scene as a backdoor pilot type situation for the Perfectionists couldnāt you have given Spoby fans a reunion of sorts? I didnāt have to be long it could have been a minute. Just of them saying they love each other one last time. Instead of that in the last scene of the girls we get one mention of Toby and that yeah they are sorta dating again. And what happened to the Toby script tease you posted about Toby saying āI used to know a girl that says hope breeds eternal miseryā was that in the Spoby scene that was probably cut?
Iām normally not a bitter person. Iām usually an optimist, but I can say I honestly Iām mad, Iām sad, and Iām tired. Knowing that I was a long time fan of this show for 7 years and the one ship that I love got the complete shaft in the end. The one that you have claimed for years is like your child. I said above that I had begun to really trust you back in season 3 Marlene but now I feel like Iāve been kinda stabbed in the back. Honestly I wouldnāt be quite so mad if every other ship hadnāt have gotten a little bit of everything that we didnāt. Haleb got engaged before the last jump as well as married and are pregnant, Emison got two beautiful little girls (through unconventional and horrible means I do admit) and an engagement which they rightfully deserved, and Ezrians got an engagement way before anyone else did plus a wedding. While spoby shippers get a hey sorry that half the scenes that you thought were Spencer in season 7 were actually Alex and oh yeah spoby are basically back together mentioned in an off hand comment. I mean if you didnāt want to do a scene then why not have had Spoby sit next to each other at Ezriaās redo wedding, just showing them holding hands or something would have been enough for me at this point.
I hope you and the other writers read this and take it into consideration. And donāt get me wrong I donāt mind open ended endings, I was a fan of the Lost series finale and that is the most open ended finale ever. But after being loyal to a ship for 7 years it would have been nice to walk away knowing that they got to be happy and seeing it too.
Hopefully you all will do a spin off or a revival movie a few years down the road where Spoby can be explored a little more or if there are some deleted scenes you can put them on the DVD. Because we the fans deserve that after this finale.
Sincerely,
A Spoby fan
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