#it's because they advocate for a ceasefire deal and you don't want that

[starlightomatic]

if you reblogged this post i don't want to see any Damn thing about the hostages on your blog ever again. not one peep.

[socialistexan]

Fully I need some of y'all to recognize that you are asking us to sacrifice ourselves for your morals. Pure and simple.

I just find it deeply frustrating as someone who has been not only Pro-Palestine, but anti-zionist for nearly 2 decades seeing people who couldn't locate Gaza on a map tell me that *now* aid to Israel is a deal breaker. We've known every US President has been supportive Israel from the partition to the Nakba to violation of the 67 boarders to the Iron Dome to now.

Y'all act as if Joe Biden has been unique in his Zionism and relationship to Israel when he is just another in a long line. My G-d the last guy (A MAN CURRENTLY RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AND WHO WILL WIN IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING) inflamed tensions in the region by moving the capital to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv and has told Netanyahu to "finish the job."

If this were an option of "worse conditions domestically and the genocide ends" and "better conditions domestically and the genocide continues" you'd have some kind of argument.

But what we have is "better conditions domestically and the genocide continious (with someone who is open to an arms embargo and ceasefire)" and "worse conditions domestically AND the genocide continues (and potentially gets worse and includes the West Bank)".

This isn't even a trolley problem, because one of the victims - the only one you seem to care about - is tied to both tracks. And one of those tracks (the only one y'all ever seem to want to talk about) has the opportunity to slow down or even stop the trolley. But since it won't stop fast enough, we have to go with the other one that I'm tied to.

I understand that some of you are too young or too caught up in ideology to realize this, but a vote is not an expression of morals.

I can't advocate for Gaza if I'm dead. I can't protest for Gaza if it's illegal and they deport everyone who supports Gaza (which is an actual plan Trump is running on). I can't fight for Gaza if I'm too busy fighting to stay alive.

[redtail-lol]

"Harris supports a ceasefire, what more do you want?" I want her to fucking do something about it.

I want her to withhold ALL weapons shipments to Israel. I want her to force Netanyahu's hand to work on a ceasefire deal and hostage deal, and not only accept a deal that greatly favors Israel and disadvantages Palestinians. Being in favor of a ceasefire isn't enough. She has to do something to make that shit happen. She's supposedly working with Biden "around the clock" to get a deal made but you have the fucking power over Israel!! You can say "do what we want or no more fucking weapons" AND THEY WON'T HAVE A CHOICE!! The work they're doing ain't enough because they won't fucking use their power to make Israel do what they want. I want Harris to have a clear plan about what she's going to do to end the genocide in Gaza, not 3 shitty sentences and unclear words. She knows this is THE issue that's splitting the vote, it should be her ONLY campaign focus honestly! She doesn't need anything else - no one is a swinger! You either want Trump elected, or you don't, and the only people who don't want Trump elected that say they won't vote for her? Are the Palestine advocates. There's no one else she has to convince. It's great she has plans for a lot of stuff, but the decisive issue between people voting for her and people voting for Sherman or not voting at all is Palestine, and she's clearly too scared to upset the people that want to see Palestine free. I want more than her sentimental bullshittery about how the Palestinian people deserve freedom and liberty but yet she's gonna still give Israel bombs to blow up Palestinian children. She's just gonna say "please don't use these to blow up Palestinian children like you did with all of our other bombs"

I want Harris to actually make something happen in Palestine. I don't expect her to dismantle Israel but I expect her to do SOMETHING to stop the death and suffering. Because her "support" for a ceasefire doesn't mean anything if she isn't willing to take away the weapons Israel is using to kill civilians. Because looking up her stances on Palestine are disappointing. She's trying to appeal to the pro Palestinian camp but she has no fucking plan of action and clearly is not on our side.

Vote Sherman and Blubear unless Harris actually decides to make a ceasefire happen by ending weapons shipments. Unless Harris decides she's going to punish Israel for every day it doesn't give Hamas a fair deal to get its hostages back and stop killing civilians

[soopertiddies]

Jesus of Nazareth was famously born of the tribe of King David of Judea, lived over a century before the country of Palestina even existed, and was executed due to the threat he posed the Roman Empire when people started calling him the King of the Jews -- and you think he was Palestinian?? How much propaganda have you swallowed? Just say you're antisemitic, at least then you'd be honest about it.

I wasn't going to answer this, because why would I justify this with a response? I know I'm not antisemtic, I've never CLAIMED to be antisemtic. I've shared so many things about how American Jews are speaking out against Israel and the way Israel silences their orthodox jewish population who speaks out against them.

( 'Not in our name': the Jewish New Yorkers speaking out against 'dehumanisation' of Palestinians (france24.com)

(We are crying with Palestinians: Jewish anti-Zionist group – Middle East Monitor)

But you send me 3 (THREE!) messages, so obviously you want me to answer you very badly.

You definitely got that statement I said from the tags of a post I reblogged, because I didn't say it in a post. And I could have worded it better, for sure. So let me clarify:

I wasn't good at religious history, and I went to catholic school so that's pretty pathetic. But I know for a fact that Palestine has pre-dates the state of Israel, and I know if Jesus was born in modern times he would be Palestinian.

He was born in Bethlehem which is IN PALESTINE, but Nazareth was conquered by Israel in 1948 so Mary and Joseph wouldn't be able to return to their hometown with their child (Nazareth in the War for Palestine: The Arab City that Survived the 1948 Nakba | Holy Land Studies (euppublishing.com)

That's the case for many Palestinians who were born before the state of Israel, they can never return to the places they were born.

Now, you said because I pointed out that Jesus would be Palestinian that makes ME antisemitic. Do you equate every Jewish person to Israel? Are you aware that there are Jews in Palestine? In fact David Ben Avraham, who had converted to Judaism was murdered by the IOF

(Palestinian who converted to Judaism shot dead by Israeli soldier in West Bank | Middle East Eye)

Are you aware the holocaust survivors in Israel live BELOW the poverty line

(One-third of Israeli Holocaust survivors live in poverty, advocates say | PBS NewsHour)

Israel does not care about Jewish people. Israel does not SPEAK for the Jewish population. They care about stealing land and increasing their power. So if you TRULY want to call out antisemitism you wouldn't be in some idiot's (me, I'm the idiot) ask box throwing out baseless accusation. You would be calling out Israel for the way they treat their Jewish citizens. You would call out the way they SHOOT their own citizens (How 3 Israeli hostages tried to save themselves, only to be killed by their own military (nbcnews.com).

You would be calling out the way they TURN DOWN a deal with Hamas because they really don't want to stop killing innocent Palestinians and they don't care about their hostages (Israeli PM Netanyahu rejects proposed ceasefire and hostage deal with Hamas | Euronews).

You would be spending all of your energy on THAT.

I truly do not think you care about Palestinian lives, really I don't. I provided you with links on ALL of my statements. But, sure, I'm gobbling down that propaganda.

You said that I should just admit it because at least I'd be honest about it. I think you should step off anonymous and say all of this with your chest, because at least you wouldn't be a coward about it.

[fallynleaf]

breaking my rule of not engaging in election discourse because i saw this post and found it frustrating in ways that i struggle to articulate, so this is more or less me just yelling into the void, but...

i'm going to pull a few lines from this in particular:

"You know what actually helps genocide? Doing nothing while pretending you have the moral high ground."

"We as private citizens do not have the power to make the USA suddenly cease all activity with Israel and demand an uncompromising ceasefire deal."

i think maybe more than frustrating, i find this failure in imagination sad. whoever wrote this clearly believes 1) that any action outside of participating in electoral politics is inherently worthless and meaningless and therefore constitutes "doing nothing", and 2) that individual people have absolutely no power whatsoever, so there's no point to demanding better because we will never actually get it.

it's such a self-defeatist attitude! it has you starting out believing you've already lost and are just a powerless pawn getting tossed around by forces beyond your control or responsibility.

i think there actually is some amount of power in participating in electoral politics, but by far the best time to leverage that power is when you have someone who wants your vote, and you vocally withhold it from them. if you can scare candidates into thinking they don't have your vote, you can sometimes wring concessions out of them. you can do this even if you already privately decided you're going to be checking that box on your ballot no matter what! but you gain nothing, literally nothing, by promising to vote for a candidate before they've done what you want them to do. you're just giving up your power for no reason.

you can say "i'm voting for Jill Stein because she opposes genocide!" even if you privately plan on voting for Kamala anyway, because the goal is to make Kamala's campaign scared that they'll lose people's votes so that they'll shift their policy on the genocide. after the election, you lose that power. they don't have to even pretend to listen to you anymore.

currently the democrat party has made it pretty clear that they'd rather lose the election than stop supporting a genocide. but it's absolutely still worth trying to put that pressure on them anyway! if it doesn't work, it doesn't work, but at least you exhausted that method. it's one tool among many, and i think you're leaving an opportunity on the table if you don't take it.

the actual voting part is kind of the least important thing, at least with this issue. American imperialism and the military-industrial complex win no matter whether you elect a democrat or a republican. the harms that you're able to "mitigate" within this system are minimal.

i do advocate for voting at least down-ballot because it makes a much bigger difference, and again, it's a power that you do have, so you might as well use it, but the concessions you're able to get through voting alone are pretty limited, and it should always be an action done in tandem with other, more effective actions.

what are those actions? in the past, strikes, coordinated boycotts, divestment campaigns, riots, etc. have all been effective in forcing change, usually when done in conjunction with multiple actions that place considerable pressure on the government because they cause economic and other types of disruption.

with regards to Israel, we actually have quite a bit of power as individual US citizens! there are boycott campaigns that pretty much everyone can get involved in, and many people have the opportunity to push for divestment in our workplaces and communities as well. through BDS, you can place direct pressure on Israel without having to go through your government.

you can also place social pressure in addition to economic pressure by being outspoken on social media as well as in your personal life.

the goal is to make the occupation untenable so that the occupiers can no longer continue it. obviously some things place more pressure than others (like an arms embargo, resistance forces on the ground, direct actions that prevent weapons from reaching Israel, etc.), but it's a group effort!

voting isn't the limit of your power as an individual citizen.

you don't have to resign yourself to living within the narrow limits of the fate that electoral politics prescribes for you.

please allow yourself to think bigger than this.

at the very least, don't get angry at people who are trying to leverage what little power they have through their vote by threatening to withhold it. these people are not your enemy. they don't want a Trump presidency, either, and many of them will end up voting for Kamala in the end! but the moment you tell her that, you've lost your power. that's the gambit here. it's not a question of "moral purity", but a calculated tactic that aims to keep the party's stated policy in line with popular opinion among the party.

[raamitsu]

Imagine telling me that everyone's life is not revolving around Palestine because you got shits to deal with - while you yourself haven't reshare a single beneficial resource regarding Palestine but in the end, I was the one doing too much for calling out the proclaimed "human activists" artists/celebrities when they are being ignorant and silent in this situation... I'm sorry but it's hard for me to even considered you humane.

I have been wanting to say this for days, weeks. So far, I received two responses that gave me a huge heartache to the point where I could have lost my hope in humanity after witnessing more of them on the other sides. Ironically, even though it was said by the same person TWICE (I noticed after checking them) I realised what I am about to say may sound dramatic to yall but it's just that- I would never thought that [me] being advocated and vocal regarding the massive disastrous ethnic cleansing that is happening in Palestine right now would have brought me to this [type of] "human"; who said to me explicitly that our life is not revolving around Palestine and its people because we have shits to deal with + saying I was doing too much for calling out artists/celebrities to educate or at least share awareness to their fans and that these bare minimums aren't their obligation.

Not gonna lie, I was totally in complete shambles and heartbroken to read them. Funny, because NOBODY asked you to ignore your life and stay on the phone/computer 24 hours a day straight just to be actively advocative - NOBODY. We all understand how complicated everyone's life is, especially for us who have bigger shits to deal with - financial, family, job seeking etc. — HOWEVER, if you could spend your little time responding as such into sharing crucial and beneficial information (PREPARED BY OTHERS, mind you, and that is why we said you don't have any excuses to be ignorant) + donations and so on instead, that would have been greater and meaningful. That little time you used on other stuffs can be used for a little awareness too. I promise you it won't even take hours to reblog as well.

And as for the artists/celebrities, do you have any idea that their power alone could make a change? Some of them have came out (unfortunately most of them are underrated ones), shared, spread contents for awareness and even opened a donation links to aid the effected victims of this ongoing war crimes, and you're telling me that they have "have no obligation"? As a human being, when it comes to responsibility, that comes along with obligation as well. We gotta show up for the others too. How is you as a human, dare to just sit by and watch this atrocities every day and CHOOSE to go on with your life without guilt feeling? Dare enough to talk about "obligation" in regards of sharing and spreading awareness is like saying these artists/celebrities needed to experience wars/war crimes in order for them to "feel obliged" to advocate for human rights. It sounds so outrageous to me.

Even so, I cannot say I am not disappointed because unfortunately I utterly AM disappointed. I have been heavily upset with humans around me for so long, now why do I need to face these type of people again? Where your humanity and empathy lie? Where are they when both are crucially needed in the times like this? Where is your existence lies? Where is your presence?

I'm truly sorry as this post is beginning to get longer than I planned but I guess it is what it is, then. I have blocked that person, by the way. As usual, I won't reply to this type of response and will immediately get blocked. I took my time just to make myself clear that I have no time to argue with these type of reponses, but I won't just sit by and let this slide again. I hope that everyone, mutuals or not, will never condone this behaviour and continue to advocate, spread awareness when you have time in your hands. We need to keep our voice afloat whether or not the ceasefire is implemented. Keep protesting and boycotting. Keep doing what we need to do online, if we can't do bigger things offline.

[swifterthancivility]

Y'all need to understand it is a form of exceptionalism to believe that some people can just snap their fingers and all life's problems will be solved. Like Jesus Fucking Christ I've been a communist since I was 12 and some of you think you're radicals because you, idk, decided you're too cool to vote for Biden.

If you want to burn Taylor Swift at the stake because she has not single-handedly ended the genocide in Gaza, go ahead. But just know that you would save zero lives. "Oh, but she could make an impact." Y'all are so fucking dumb. You know who doesn't give a fuck about Taylor Swift? Benjamin Netanyahu. You know who doesn't give a fuck about Taylor Swift? The Israeli Military. You know who doesn't give a fuck about Taylor Swift? Literally anyone in control. Exactly what do you think would happen? Taylor posts a water melon emoji, and suddenly, there's a ceasefire? Even if she gave money, it would do nothing since millions of dollars in aid have already been raised, but it can't get to Gaza because, oh yeah, the idea that money fixes every problem is also just capitalist propaganda.

I cannot fucking deal with how stupid you people are. I am Egyptian. I have been talking about Israeli occupation since I was a child. I have been debating the two state solution longer than most of you even knew how to pronounce Palestine. How dare you make this about anything other than the Palestinians. This is not about you. It's not about Taylor Swift. This is about the children being pulled out of the fucking rubble, little girls that have the same eyes I had as a child.

You need to come to terms with your own powerlessness. There is nothing you, or I, or Taylor Swift can do other than call our representatives, pray, and bear witness. You should be talking about Bisan, Plestia, Motaz, Nathan Thrall, J Street, and all the other people who have been advocating for Gaza.

Sometimes, all you can do is bear witness. I am so deeply angry that people are making this about Taylor Swift or more accurately, making it about how much better they are than the people who like Taylor Swift. This is truly the definition of centering yourself. If you actually gave a single fuck about anything outside your own ego, you would shut the fuck up. The same people who tell me I'm basically white, that the racism I've experienced is not really that big if a deal, that actually arabic and muslim people are not as oppressed as *insert some other group here*, or that they "listen to people of color" are doing this. Fuck off. You absolutely don't give a shit about Palestine. Your outrage is content. And when the next big news story comes around you will forget Gaza and look away.

But I will not. I will continue to bear witness to these events, archive them, and hope that if I cannot save anyone, at least I can help them not to be forgotten. And if I want to take joy in a completely unrelated artist's work, I will do so without guilt. Because above all, I can accept that this is not about me.

[wolf-skins]

I don't really want to get into all of this, I merely want to counteract one point here if only because I think it's important for everyone of any opinion to know.

What is your leverage, and could it reasonably be described as "extortion" or "blackmail" or "political corruption?" Because those are pretty much the only things on the table that can work

This is a bit misleading, or perhaps a bit of a misunderstanding, but there is another form of leverage, and actually the most important: your vote. This is why the Uncommitted movement in the Michigan primaries was so impactful. When you let your potential elected official that they have to buy your vote (which is what they're supposed to do; they are not owed it), and that you expect x, y and/or z thing before you give it, that is a vector of pressure.

The goal of movements like the Uncommitted movement was to tell the Democratic Party that they would have their vote, so long as they made a ceasefire deal and, since they have failed to do so thus far, do an arms embargo as a form of pressure to force the Israeli government to agree to it (nvm all the other reasons to do one). This means that there could potentially be hundreds of thousands of more votes for the Democratic Party, if they meet two simple demands. That's leverage. That could make a difference in an election, and they know it.

I'm personally not an advocate of "don't vote" bc no one really has the right to tell you to or not to, and no one should scold you for what you do or don't do. I do think that this is an important thing to think about, because the idea that you can change an administration to move to the left afterwards is not one that really ever happens, and your vote is something that gives you power. If the party genuinely wants to win, then they should fight for it, and if people want to, they can let them know that. That doesn't mean that that vote inherently will go up for another team (bc a lot of people might go ahead and vote blue no matter who and give up when the time runs out), but you lose nothing by trying to leverage it anyways in the mean time.

Has Biden actually done anything at all? There's evidence going around and I think it's compelling, the alternate to voting is instead doing actual social work and participating in protests and organizing political action, which is a good idea i think

1) Yes. Inarguably this has been the most effective progressive domestic administration since I have been alive, and I'm in my thirties. What in the fuck are you talking about? It's not perfect, but it's better than we've seen in fifty years: Obama tried, but Democratic Congressional organization was just not yet used to working with a completely obstructionist GOP Congress in the wake of the tea party.

Even in terms of foreign policy, this is also pretty much as good as US involvement gets. Sorry. Our foreign policy has been shaped by monsters for decades, and that's even without dealing with our huge and active branch of Christian doom cultists. There ain't a candidate in the world that could stop the entire accumulated momentum of geopolitics with a snap of the finger, and I'm not really willing to pretend that Biden is particularly notable for not managing to fix Israel/Palestine relations.

2) In your own words, anon, what precisely does organizing political action entail without participating in the political process? Do you think that abstaining from the part of the gig where you, the citizen, get to say which official gets the job somehow makes your opinions matter more to your elected public officials? Have you ever organized to get so much as a municipal one-time library project budget expanded? Are you perhaps only skilled at political argument with people who already agree with you on the Internet?

What is your leverage, and could it reasonably be described as "extortion" or "blackmail" or "political corruption?" Because those are pretty much the only things on the table that can work more effectively to drive an elected official than a disciplined coalition of political allies (who can be purchased with, you guessed it, votes) or a reliable bloc of voter support. Your vote matters less than the ones you bring with you, sure. Do you think that not voting yourself somehow helps people organize to drive more votes? Have you perhaps replaced your complex reasoning skills with a rapidly dying jellyfish?

3) Holy passive vagueness, Batman! "Evidence is going around." What a masterpiece of a sentence! How it suggests everything while providing nothing! What evidence? Who collected it? Who is talking about the evidence "going around?" Who is listening? How many of them are there? What did they think before? The more I think, the more questions I have, and damn if they ain't predisposing me to be even less charitable.

Like, this is so catastrophically poorly supported that I have to confess that I not only believe this is probably an ask in bad faith (i.e. by someone who is expecting to piss me off or otherwise engage with me adversarially, probably spammed to a whole host of blogs at once with no expectation of response) but I actively hope that it is. The alternative is to have to grapple with the reality that some people are so uncomfortable with the responsibility of moral agency that they're willing to release useful levers of legal and social power just so that they never do anything problematic with that power. Much better, of course, to wash one's hands of anything that might have the stink of responsibility clinging to it. Might fall from the membership of the Elect if you actually get yourself all muddy by doing things, I reckon.

I don't even believe that voting is the only lever we have when it comes to our elected officials or that votes are necessary to secure change, and I am certainly not talking about the presidential ticket alone when I talk voting. What I do believe is two things: one, that voting is a potential lever of power on the emergent chaos of the society in which we live. And two, that anyone telling me to leave a lever of power on the ground without a damn good reason is either incompetent, malicious, or both.

[reasonsforhope]

This post is SUPER SUPER MISLEADING ACTUALLY.

I got super worked up about geopolitics and wrote a massive essay on why, but then tumblr ate it!!!!!

So this is just gonna be a summary of my main points following by a massive source dump

1. Almost nothing has even happened yet

China released a vague 2-page position paper advocating for peace, and Zelenskyy said he was interested in talking if they meant it in good faith and were going to propose a fair deal.

China's position paper had a lot of glaring omissions, like the part where IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT RUSSIAN TROOPS WITHDRAWING FROM UKRAINE

2. There is very, very good reason to believe that China is not acting in good faith

3. In fact, China is THE ONLY COUNTRY that might have the power to force Russia to stop the war!!!

But instead they literally won't even call it an invasion and have spent the whole past year being Russia's massive economic lifeline

4. Seriously, China is by far Putin's most important ally and may be selling them weapons to use in the war right now

5. China is standing by Russian in part because it is also an authoritarian power that is ALSO INTERESTED IN TAKING OVER SOVEREIGN COUNTRIES, mostly Taiwan (plus the complicated CCP takeover of Hong Kong). Some articles

6. For all these and more reasons, the West is INCREDIBLY CORRECT to be skeptical

7. The US, EU, and NATO would love an end to the war, actually--they just don't want it to be appeasement to Putin!

8. It's unlikely to matter because Zelenskyy won't accept any peace deal that doesn't return to Ukraine full sovereignty over its land. Which is extremely unlikely to be on offer anytime soon

China is trying to mediate for peace (which Zelensky himself is open to) and the US/EU are doing everything in their power to stiffle peace talks and keep the war going.

If that doesn't give you a hint as to whether China or the USA has the moral high ground I don't know what to tell you.

[box-in-a-cage]

All great points in favor of voting for Biden (which, yes, is the only thing you can do with your vote this year that isn't benefiting exclusively Donald Trump and making everything worse for everyone everywhere.)

But I wanna add: consider the candidates' support for Ukraine. If someone talks about how they aren't voting for Biden because they "don't want to support genocide" then they literally are supporting genocide by their own logic because Trump wants Putin to continue with his attempted and ongoing genocide in Ukraine.

You ("you" being the reader of this post; not directed at OP) either vote for Biden (Israel-Palestine ceasefire and hostage deal advocate + support to Ukraine advocate) or you don't vote for Biden, and therefore you functionally vote for Trump (Hates Palestine and the people who advocate for Palestine + Loves Putin and wants Russia to do whatever it wants)

Joe Biden IS the anti-genocide candidate and you're simply shortsighted, lacking knowledge of the situation, and/or thinking one-dimensionally if you think he's not. There is NOTHING you gain from voting for Trump, from abstaining, or from voting third party. It only makes everything you supposedly stand for get worse.

So weird thing I'm noticing is that almost all of the people arguing with me on my "please vote" post have profiles saying they're trans.

But, like, I know a lot of trans people in real life. I'm nonbinary. A lot of my closest friends are also in the trans community. All of them are planning on voting for Biden.

Maybe it's just because we're all older -- and we all remember 2016.

Maybe.

But, like, if any of you are who you say you are, I beg of you -- please understand that things are going to get so much worse under Trump. Right now we're fighting at the state level in a lot of places, and activism needs to be focused there. But if we lose the White House, it's going to start coming from the Federal government too, and it's going to be so much harder.

It's just exhausting sometimes.

[liluglydudefromdetroit]

Hi! If it's okay, I'll start from the bottom. Easier for me to scroll that way.

Pretending Biden wants a ceasefire while constantly providing weapons to one side who openly says they do not want a ceasefire is a joke.

Real criminal justice reform has not and will not happen in thos country under the Two party system.

Vaccines imo should be a matter of choice, like everything else to do with your body.

DEI...🤷🏾‍♂️ Sure.

JOSEPH BIDEN HAS NEVER ADVOCATED FOR RACIAL "EQUITY"!!

The infrastructure deal was a sliver of what we came for. Look at the original package and what we actually got.

I'm still paying student loans. Are you?

Prescription drugs should be covered 100% under your medical coverage.

Joe Biden said he would veto such legislation (M4A).

Joe Biden DID NOT support GND, which is why we do not have a GND right now. He also allowed oil drilling and fracking to continue. So much for Environmental reform.

Abortion "access" doesn't mean the same when he could have asked Congress to codify it, like he ran on, like Obama ran on, like every Democrat has ran on! Biden is president now and many states have restrictions and bans in place.

Trans rights are admittedly not incredibly high on my policy priority list so I don't know very much about either candidate's position, or not enough to make a judgement but it's probably safe to assume Joe is better on that topic😂.

I'm a black man born and raised in Detroit. I'm a vet and a dues paying union member. I'm also honest about my views and situations. Joe Biden has not done enough and does not deserve a second term. They refused to let us have a fair primary and let our voices be heard so will be sure My voice is healed by them in November.

My overall point is just because the other guy is a shit sandwich doesn't mean this guy isn't a shit smoothie. I can not, in good faith tell anyone to support consuming shit in any form. Not when there's a better option for my positions, beliefs, and conscience. Thanks for engaging

First thing a mf do when you say "The Republicans are shit and the Democrats are shit" is say "You must be a trump supporter". No, you delusional, dick sucking, dumb bitch😂 I just told you I don't fuck with any of them! Why is it so hard to believe a large swath of the nation isn't beholden to party politics, but policy positions and NEITHER JOE BIDEN OR DONALD TRUMP are showing 1 fuck about our chosen policy positions?! This is why we can't have nice things! What the fuck is the incentive for them to do anything if we gone vote for them anyway?! Exactly. That's why we don't have shit.

[traegorn]

It's because the fucking election is over. It's because the fucking election has been concluded.

If you want to know why we don't take a good chunk of internet leftists seriously, it's because you say things like this.

Politics isn't an "election year only" thing. It's every day, every year -- doing work at the local and state levels to move things. That's why it's ridiculous that y'all shut up. The "fucking election is over" -- yeah no shit. But now we have to deal with what happens next. Now the fight keeps going, and y'all are just sitting there not doing shit about it. All of your activism was performative, and focused on November.

I'm sorry, but to say it as politely as I can: Fuck off.

We live in a two party system. I spent the last year saying "The Democrats can be moved on this issue, the Republicans can't. Our only hope at stopping the genocide is to vote Democrat." But time and time again I get ignored and spat at.

And while they don't make up all the votes, the people who stayed home from this election? They are part of why Trump won. The people who literally advocated people vote for Trump in protest of the genocide? They are a part of why Trump won. Every single person who didn't go out and vote for Harris? They are a part of why Trump won and bear some of the responsibility.

The two party system has been here since before any of us were born, and it sucks. But it's what we have, and it's going to take a shit ton of work to deconstruct it. You don't get to be self righteous and say shit like:

Be made at the people who looked at YOU and said "you don't have a choice, we have a fucking gun to your head you worthless twat, we're going to pull the trigger so ignore a genocide."

We had a chance in the election to move the needle. The moment to take action came, and people fucking flinched. That's the job on election day. We had a VP who was open to a ceasefire and Trump who literally wants Netanyahu to "finish the job." That was it.

Like even if the genocide in Gaza was the only issue on the table, she was the better choice. And y'all fucked that one up too. Like that's my thing, if you didn't vote for Harris, how the fuck did this result help a single person in Gaza? The one issue you claimed to give a shit about you literally made worse.

Never mind all the other people you sold out, and the god damn horror that's coming for immigrants in this country. Like fucking hell.

So if you told people not to vote or didn't vote? You better get your ass on the front lines with us and figure out how we're fixing the mess you've made. And blood spilled is now on your hands too, and you can't get away with pretending otherwise.

A lot of people have been put in danger by decisions you made, and you don't get to gloat -- you wasted time talking about a house's structural issues when there's a fucking fire in the living room.

The "don't vote bc Palestine" people have completely disappeared huh?. I've seen maybe 2 lately vs the hundreds of posts before the election. Either they're all sitting quietly now or the few left are the ones who drank the soup from psyops. That's my guess.

The ones left are also more annoying, refusing to engage with how much worse the president THEY WANTED will be for their cause.

I cannot believe people are so stupid, especially people claiming to have a cause. I understand that people ARE that stupid, but it still blows my mind

So a good chunk of them honestly thought Harris was going to win. I think that's really important to keep in mind. Like they thought they were doing some ploy that could put the Democrats at risk, but still come out victorious. (Of course, the flaw in their plan was that if the Democrats won without them, the Democrats would come away with the impression that they don't need them -- but that's a whole other thing)

A lot of folks from this camp will hopefully understand what went wrong, and we can still coalition build with them. My only caveat is that I sort of need them to come to us at this point, since I'm a bit exhausted from spending most of the last year trying to reach out to them only to be ignored.

There are other ones who are just going to shift to blaming Trump, completely ignoring that they were doing things that effectively pushed towards his presidency. I implore you to stop giving the high profile ones your attention. Like, random person who does this? Fine. We can get this person back on board. But the ones who went out to massive audiences who are playing election amnesia? Fuck those people.

Finally, I still have folks who show up in my political TikTok videos complaining about Harris who refuse to even acknowledge that Trump is an incoming threat. Deep denial motherfuckers.

No idea what to do with those ones.