#it doesnt even have to be dnp

[serrabear]

do I dare make a dnp themed focus so I’m really in the mindset when working on my new fic or do I not do that because that’s insane

[simplydnp]

what's your opinion on fanfics about dnp? (more in a way of do you think that it's crossing boundaries and/or being parasocial)

i'm of the same mind of dnp in that phanfic is fucking incredible. it's an important and valid way to express yourself, as well as a building block of our community. i don't think it's crossing boundaries, as it's fiction. i don't see it as parasocial either--you're writing for you and others like you. most people don't want dnp reading their fics, it's not for them in a sense, it's for us.

i think dnp are extremely aware of fanfic and its value and place in community. they've always encouraged it, appreciated the support, and given us space about it. they're not ones to make videos about it and mock fans for it (which happened to some of our lovely fic writers here writing for other yt fandoms, and i'm so sorry about it). dnp are fandom culture people. they've written fic themselves! and published it in their book!

the word parasocial has been twisted lately to imply any fan support is unnatural and should be shamed, which is complete fucking bullshit. making art is always important and valued. and it is necessary for your existence as a human, but also for the thing you're a fan of to thrive.

the parasocial side comes in once you start believing you know this person. and that you're their real friend. when in reality, they do not know you specifically, and you are not their friend, you are an audience member.

so a parasocial relationship only occurs when people start crossing boundaries (digging for not publicly available information, contacting people in their personal life, showing up to their house, etc). which, is absolutely nowhere close to real fan behaviour.

tl;dr: phanfic is great, i love you fic writers, parasociality is a problem but not one that we have

[icarus-showmethemoon]

on the one hand hidden fees suck and these are very high fees for a virtual event but also. thats not dnps fault? theyre not responsible for the ticket company, and literally within hours of the drop when they found out they started trying to do something about it and even negotiated partial refunds for everyone who paid the higher fees?? do you know how insane that is considering i dont know of a single bigger name ticket seller that doesnt charge fees like that or higher?

and also. one of the things ive seen people complaining about is that "not everyone can afford to go to a paid show" and like i get it. dropping 20 bucks plus fees on a virtual event feels like a lot when you dont have income or are living paycheck to paycheck. trust me, same. im gonna be lucky if i can afford tickets. but theyre not forcing you to go. they dont have a gun to your head saying pay up or hiatus pt 2. its an optional paid event to stream a show we had to pay for in person as well. and also wad was about the same price when they did the initial livestream, since everyone seems to have forgotten that. if dnp dont post a free stream somewhere eventually, i can guarantee you phannies are going to be posting that shit everywhere. either streaming the stream or posting the vod afterwards. if you miss out on the initial stream its not the end of the world i prommy.

also dan and phil and their team deserve to make money off this tour. considering how many props they had and how cheap the tickets were, even w merch prices id be surprised if they broke even on this as it is. theres been previous tours that they lost money doing tours. they dont owe you free content just because youre broke. they offer plenty of that as it is.

[bitchslapblastoids]

Random parasocial phan lore speculation; do you think that when they had seperate bedrooms they were actually sleeping in different beds? Bc ive definitely seen the sentiment floating around since BIG first came out, and even before, that the different bedrooms were just for show, but to me that just doesnt make sense. Like yeah they were both very closeted but also when they moved to london they were also extremely broke and it doesnt make sense to me that initially they only rented a two bedroom apt for show. Like i know this is the "whole fake apartment" duo we're talking about here but that was when they were already mega rich and has started building a million dollar forever home. When you're broke and 21 years old even internalised homophobia and being closeted doesnt seem to me like a good enough reason to rent a whole extra room that you dont plan on using. Personally i think when they were younger they very much utelised having seperate areas for themselves. I think dans room was His room. His own space. And phils was the same. And they probably just picked a room at night and slept there. Or slept in their own beds. I know we joke about dnp being completely codependent, but its also very clear from an external pov that they have a really healthy relationship. And they have worked, lived and spent all their free time together basically since dan was 18. I dont think its possible for any couple, not even dnp to do that without having strong boundaries for personal space, and the physical space to enact that. I dont think they really started to cohabitate in that sense until like. 2016/17. They 100% shared a bedroom in the second london apartment and they obviously definitely share a room now, but i dont think that was the case in the early days at all. And I think probably even now in the phouse they have their own spaces where they can exist by themselves and text each other from across the phouse.

(P.s they uploaded right as I was typing this which is so rude of them to interupt my important thoughts)

to no surprise i've yapped about this before, as someone who is rocking a happy healthy separate bedroom longterm relationship!

yeah i've always been firmly in the camp that having their separate spaces has protected their own sanity. they both really are introverts with different habits about how to keep a space. thinking specifically about sleeping - they are large men, one of whom we've learned snores very loudly. their manchester and london beds were doubles (maybe queens?) which, while fine for some snuggly nights, does not provide much space to spread out when you're long-limbed.

other reasons i think they prob slept separately a lot - phil has said he likes to sleep with many pillows, while dan's manchester and london beds (which definitely seemed used (not used in a weird way just like consistently rumpled whenever we saw it which was often for many years)) always only had 2 pillows max. phil's london bed had 4. they had some text exchange that i can't be bothered to track down in one of the wdapteos about hearing a beeping noise in the night or something, and phil saying he thinks it's something in the kitchen. to me, it read like what you'd text someone when you're in different bedrooms in the same home. plus, the different hotel rooms on tour (instead of just one room w/ two beds, which would be a totally normal thing to do). i know it seems like they often ended up in one another's rooms, but they could spend their evening together and then sleep separately if one of them really needed the rest. snoring can truly drive a person mad.

but also, all that aside, i do think that no matter what, they would have had two bedrooms in manchester & london to protect their own privacy while they were closeted. there's just no world in which they would have moved into a one-bedroom apartment for their first london spot. i doubt that was ever even a question. they were closeted to what seems to be almost everyone in their lives. meanwhile, they had guests over fairly often, and their careers were filmed out of their own home. trying to hide a one bedroom apt would have been way too much of a risk, and they basically wouldn't have been able to have anyone over without outing themselves.

i agree that it seems they shared a bedroom in that second london apt, bc we never saw an actual phil room, only the set, and barely saw the 'dan' one. and it does seem like now in the phouse, the 'dan room' is the primary bedroom. but i'd imagine phil also views the green room as 'his' in that his wardrobe seems to be in there, it's a space he can retreat to, and it's a separate bed he can sleep in. ok long answer done!

tldr yes i think they've taken advantage of sleeping in separate beds

[ahappydnp]

maybe this is just the tinfoil hat talking but i 100% believe that the bank account question answer is NOT true dsfdskjfhdsjkhf like i know its a meme but to me thats such a random personal question of how u handle the finances like there is objectively no way dan doesnt have a bank account that is literally not how adulting (cant believe i said that seriously) works

oh no the question wasn't even about finances at all, dnp brought it up completely of their own volition (the question was what the other does that's helpful). and they didn't say that dan doesn't have a bank account at all (because no that's just not feasible lmao), phil said that 90% of the gaming channel income goes into his account, so it's more likely that's the account they use for work/ reimbursed expenses since it was brought up after they mentioned taxes.

they definitely have their own accounts, and probably joint business/savings accounts

[phanomenology]

who do you think is more Crowley coded and who is more Azira coded out of dnp?

i set myself hourly notifications ever since you send the ask and it still took me this long to answer, im so sorry 😭

to answer your question:

It might seem like obvious that dan is crowley coded and phil is azira coded because of their aesthetics and personality but stating that as that is too simple for me. lets break it down:

dan is like crowley in the obvious sense of having that edgy aesthetic and always needing to question things while phil is the one with the light aesthetic who enjoys what is happening despite the problems it has. just watch them play the game of life.

this reminds me of this quote from a book ive read for uni which really stuck with me:

so yea, dan is the social scientist who points out what most people miss and phil is the one who tells us that we shouldn't wallow in defeat of it but make our own meaning out of it. and we need both! they are like ying and yang, like crowley and aziraphale in that way.

crowley who questions heaven and thusly falls, but then doesnt stop questioning hell because he doesnt see the world in black and white, good actions and bad actions.

i think dan for a long time was not like that. i say this with the utmost respect but if you look back, his branding was usually self deprecating jokes and at least to me personally it felt like his perspective was pessimistic. he always made sure to leave a positive message but to me it felt like a wish for a better future, not a feeling of certainty that it will be better.

Phil on the other hand is very much like that:

Phil is like aziraphale and me in the sense that he gets irrationally worried about things,

but it is dan who literally did a tour about his worries of the world ending, with branding and all:

and yet:

phil and crowley both have that rational optimism, the sense that things will be okay. but aziraphale does not give up in-spite of the odds being against them. in s1 he refuses to run away to alpha centauri because he believes that they should stay and fight. that there is still hope. he does not accept that the world will end. but its crowley who sparks the idea of aziraphale raising the antichrist with him. its aziraphale who tells angel crowley of armageddon , and its why crowley gets upset and questions the almighty.

so my point is that phil has aziraphale's light aesthetic vibes and his fear of near doom but crowley's certainty that everything will be okay in the end despite it.

dan on the other hand has crowley's edgy dark aesthetic, his cynicism and sense of questioning belief systems, but also aziraphale's determinism to fight what he is sure is a losing battle/the end of the world because he wants to believe that it is possible that everything will be okay (that being the message of wad/ywgttn/big/etc...)

i want to talk a bit about 'dark/light polarity'. what we mean by that is two sides of the same coin. yin and yang:

☯️

they depend on each other, they interconnect and intertwine. be it real people or fictional characters, it is never a clear black and white binary, because what the characters have something that the other lacks and when they come together they become a whole. plato said humans once had 4 legs and feet, and then got split in half by zeus to punish us to live our lives yearning to be connected with the other half of our soul/coin, our soulmate. they carry sth of each other within them because there are shards that got broken in the middle when the being was split and were forced to choose sides.

so even tho it might seem like dan is more like crowley coded and phil is more aziraphale coded because of their light/dark aesthetic, there's many things of both in each of them and thats what makes it interesting and real to us.

[deadandphilgames]

Okay so I can not stop thinking about dinok. If dinok were to happen(🤞🤞🤞), the concept of it is essentially a tv show with the plot of dan in an alternate universe where he never met phil and became a lawyer right?

Since he talked about it in why i quite yt, ive thought about the plot so many times and obviously a big theme would be dan coming to terms with his identity, which would mean that romance/sexuality/partnership would 100% a part of it. Maybe not the main aspect, but it would be a part of it.

And my brain just can not imagine a conclusion to dans identity crisis, even a fictional AU lawyer dan, involving any person other than phil. Like dan and phil are the most real example of soulmates ive ever seen. So many couples I could see how in different circumstances there would've been other people who could be their "other half" but dnp are as yin and yang, fictional soulamtes, romance novel, hall mark movie as it gets.

Like dan "I will find you in any world" howell just doesnt have a happy ending with steven from accounts im sorry.

So in my head dinok is an 8 episode story arc of dan figuring out who he is and what he wants, joining a local theatre group or something, finding his passion, finally accepting himself and coming out, and then the very last scene is just dan on the tube or something and he accidentally bumps into a stanger and dan goes to apologise and the camera pans up and we just see phil. And then it ends. And it would be perfectly dnp. Showing the audience they are meant to find each other, but leaving the details ambiguous and up for interpretation.

Obviously anything dan makes would be absolutely perfect, but this is the story that has been in my head since the moment he announced the concept.

it would be objectively hilarious and iconic if dan spent all this time and money to make a lawyer!dan nonyoutuber AU meet-cute

[phannieconfessions]

This is true for most fandoms imo, but i think that sometimes people can get a little bit too emotionally invested in the things dnp do or dont do. Anytime there is genuine discourse about the morality of dnps actions as entertainers I have to log off for the day. I have been in this fandom for 9 years, active the whole time, even during the hiatus when there was like 5 of us here. And i have seen the same discourse pop up, time and time again. "Dan and phil should communicate with their fans better". And some people are very serious about the fact that they feel it is a moral failing that dan and phil dont tell their audience things. And im being so incredibly serious when I say this; No they shouldn't. Or atleast they have absolutely no obligation to. Regardless of whether it is about tour things, or secret projects or youtube things or personal things. It doesnt matter. They are not our friends. They are not really our dads. They are two strangers who chose entertainment as a career and have every right to do with that as much or as little as they want. The only thing they ever have an ethical obligation to communicate with fans are things where fans might be affected financially, like cancelled tour dates for example. And its always the same outcome. People get mad, like for example with dan basically not talking to us for a few years, and then it turns out there was a reason for it and people were mad unfairly, like the fact that dan had been trying to launch multiple solo projects that almost all fell through, while dealing with a mental health crisis on top of it.

My point is just. They are people not content machines or our friends. They quite litterally do not owe us anything. When people get to a point that they start getting genuinely hurt and upset over the choices dnp make, or feel like they owe us content/info, imo I think its starting to go into that unhealthy category of fan obsession, and its time to step back.

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[goldenpinof]

yknow, i really thought they were taking the gaming channel slow and were just kind of vibing but i forgot dan doesnt do anything halfway so if they're really bringing dapg back, then they're doing everything

like. spookyweek. spooky baking. calendar. they're already hinting at gamingmas. each of these i was not expecting. and yet.

if we had spooky week right away, gamingmas isn't a question. this blows my mind. you don't understand how insane it feels like to me. from 0 to 100. they are repeating 2018 but gayer. they are bringing back things that are so beloved and expected from them. giving the people what they want was never so real. exactly because we thought we would never have ANY of it ever again. and now we are throwing possibilities around and hitting the spot, because it makes sense!! bringing back what was popular and dear, what was selling well, what was exhausting to make sometimes. blood, sweat and tears. now even more tears on our part. but it is worth it! what Dan said in the dnpshop letter (calling danandphilgames DAPG finally!), "together we are truly healing the world and the miscellaneous trauma of the last few years and the vibes are at an all time high". and it's true! and i'm glad they feel this feedback from us, i'm glad they understand how important it is, and i hope so much that they also enjoy this madness they created and keep creating.

speaking for myself for a second, they make my life easier. they don't make me forget all the bad things going on in the world and in my day to day life but they do give me a reason to smile, to wake up and have the energy to go through the news that drive my mind into the darkest place where humanity is right now and through my job that is useless as fuck. through homesickness, fear and numbness that hit unexpectedly. dnp and their content help with that. and i hope i'm not the only one who gets a breath of fresh air with them. i know it sounds pathetic. but it is what it is, and i'm so fucking glad that they know at least a fraction of how they affect our lives ❤️

[simplydnp]

I live in Cali (between the LA and SD venues) and I might just pony up to go to both. SD is further away, but they are successfully guilting me into it LMAO

Here's the thing, though- I'm a relatively new fan (phan) and also I have social anxiety. So is it not worth doing the Meet and Greet? Should I save the spot for others who deserve it more and won't be shaky and stupid?? Or should I throw back a couple drinks for liquid courage and say phuk it?

I do want the VIP stuff and part of me does want to say hi to them, but I don't feel like I deserve it since I wasn't there from the beginning.

Sincerely,

A PHAKE PHAN

firstly welcome!!! it's always exciting to talk to new fans yall are here at such a great time ☺️

anxiety is a very real thing, and if you think a m&g is something you cannot handle, you know yourself enough to know. but if the only thing holding you back is 'someone else deserves it more' or 'i'll be shakey and stupid', please don't listen to that voice in your head. there's no 'deserve' as if it's something you have to earn. anyone can buy one (so long as they have the means). there's no set amount of time you've had to watch them, nor any 'behaviour' expectations (other than, yknow, don't assault them, but that's a given). it's okay if you're nervous and shakey--they're professionals, they'll take care of you. (i also know someone made a compilation of silly things dnp have said/done recently to help with the fear around 'what if i come off as stupid'.) firstly you're not stupid, but secondly, we all say/do silly/awkward/cringe/incorrect shit. it's okay. it's very hard to phase them; they've seen it all. in terms of alcohol, if that's what you need, go for it. but i wouldn't recommend getting entirely sloshed bc 1 you need to be able to get to and from the venue, and 2, you wanna remember it.

the point of this tour is to go see them. if they wanted to lock vip behind years watched, lore known, and number of posts made about them, they would have (i dont think thats like, possible though 😂). don't deprive yourself of an experience bc your brain is creating non-existent rules. no one there is gonna turn and look at you and go 'wow theyve only been here x weeks/months/days'. and if they do? fuck 'em. you're there because you enjoy their content. simple as that.

it's a celebration of dnp, so as long as you like them (or are going with someone who does) then you belong!

if it's possible, i absolutely recommend hitting both shows. the LA one is guaranteed to be wild, and if san diego happens, it'll be a smaller crowd, which is kind of an awesome vibe.

[dykephan]

(on anon because my dnp blog is a sideblog) but honestly yeah its so odd to see serious discourse over stuff that, for the most part, doesnt really matter? deeply unserious. anyway, i hope you manage to carve out your own little niche in this fandom with people you vibe with because in my experience thats the best way to enjoy things<3. hope you're having a good day!

(for context this was sent before dan's tweets about tit in other countries and has nothing to do with that)

but YEAH i thought we were all just joking around and having a laugh about the mullet whether we like it or not, i never expected it to get so heated. it makes me kind of sad because when phil went blonde he was met with nothing but praise (even from people who privately thought it looked weird lmao) but now dan is doing something out of his comfort zone with his appearance and it spirals into a giant argument about his identity 😭 like damn no wonder he was afraid to change anything about himself

and i thought i was already pretty liberal with the block button but i guess i need to curate my space even more. it's hard when i'm not online so i don't see the wild takes some people are posting, i just see the aftermath lmao but at the end of the day this is just a silly little space for us to geek about some silly youtubers. it is soooooo not that serious guys

[dapg-otmebytheballs]

im so sorry youre receiving backlash from these people. why is it that every time someone calls out racism they take it as personal? why arent they ready to have these discussions to improve a fandom space to make it more inclusive? thats not too much to ask. the reason u, @/demonqueenart @/lesbianphan and others are talking about this is to bring these issues to the forefront when in places like this racism has high chances of running rampant. is that so hard to understand? esp when we have had quite frequently seen that dnp, adults with quite good critical thinking, have never stopped to acknowledge their microaggressions, present or past? we as poc have no obligation to be understanding about that, but we are. because in a community, you try to make things better. THATS what a community is. you look at flaws and instead of burning bridges you try to make it accommodating for everyone. and by that I mean EVERYONE. if the people pouring hate into others inboxes do not understand that, then they have a LOT of self reflection to do.

as an indian, i got so fucking uncomfortable when i heard dan talk about his frequent vacations in the country. because when you live there and know all of the colonial implications and the other party doesnt, you arent in a position to do anything about it. so you let it go.

there is no need to stay quiet about this. because clearly the moment you stay quiet people are starting to try to bury the hatchet.

ps: you dont have to answer or even reply to this. i know these conversations are fucking exhausting and i dont want to burden you more than you already are.

Thanks for the message ❤️ yeah idek what more to say here for every few minutes of feeling hopeful from people being receptive there's another hour of feeling absolutely invisible, like woah sorry this was hard for y'all to hear XD sorry I'm making your feel awkward or dirty or whatever, but it's frankly your responsibility to learn and grow you're grown adults now jfc

Gonna reblog my post about the indian colonial thingy too since many people don't know how very Obvious these things are to us, but if you guys don't engage with us when we try to teach you you'll never learn will you? What more can we do?

[danrifics]

everyone listen to bethanie and make a dnp blog RIGHT NOW!!! you don’t even need to come off anon if you are shy when interacting directly with people (i interact with a few people on anon)(the amount of anons i sent you… you are so fun to talk to <3) and by making a dnp blog you will have a safe space to reblog/tag/post anything really it’s more fun than lurking, and eventually talk to people/reply to posts off anon and make some friends if you are up to it! it doesnt matter if you have 1 or 5000 followers it’s just fun to have other phannies on the dashboard and reblog/make silly posts!!!!! i’ve been on and off on my dnp sideblog for a few years and atm i am having so much fun <3

yes!!! this like you can still send things on anon if you want but like think how cool it is to engage with people in tags and replies and reblogs!! its so cool having a blog space where you can talk about what you enjoy!!

[dnphan]

saw your “burning dnp questions” and had to ask- what do you think their relationship details actually are?? ahh im so embarrassed about it but they both mention using grindr but are also clearly together??

i assume- theyre commited romantically but are open to explore why separate like during WAD touring. but like i also just cant wrap my head around that either since dan always so jealous. so idk maybe phil lets dan explore but phil doesnt really because he doesnt need to the way dan wants to know that he’s out. ahh so curious!!

thank u so much for the question!!!!! also don’t be embarrassed this is literally tumblr, everyone is a lil strange and a lil parasocial. we cope with it

i literally think about this constantly so i’m glad to have somewhere to put these thoughts. OVERALL: i genuinely think they are friends. NOW don’t come for me i do think there is OBVIOUSLY romantic feelings. like duh?? hello.

BUT i think at their core they are just best friends. soulmates, if you will. more platonic than romantic, which is something i CRAVVE and think is CRUCIAL for a relationship.

whether dan or phil want an open relationship? probably not. those bitches been settled down in phouse and committed to together since day one!! the jokes about being a swinger were funny and i was honestly kind of hoping they WERE swingers bc how iconic would that be, but then wdapteo came out and i knew that’s not possible for them. i am curious about what u mean with the grindr comments?

and i think the wad touring separation wasn’t bc dan wanted a open relationship but because his need to prove to himself that he can be independent and his own person without phil. but after the tour when dan proved that he could, he went back to phil, because he didn’t want to be independent. kind of like how dan almost moved out so he could be more productive (bc he produces more content when he is sad) and phil was like “lol no?”

now label wise?? i don’t think there is one.

here are some of my fav dan howell quotes that kind of clarify their dynamic for me:

“You can’t even compare … no human has lived and worked together and actually started off as “supposedly” friends before that, so it’s just not natural. We’re like two 4,000-year-old tortoises just silently chewing grass, staring into the sunset. I think it’s quite important to have someone in your life where you can be like “Yeah, we’re pretty weird.’”

full interview

[2009phan]

i’m a full supporter of rpf i encourage it actually but i still think theres a line. talking about *that* video after when it was leaked (completely against their will) they personally dmed fans asking that they never share it and delete their posts with it is just weird. talking about things they shared publicly like formsprings and dailybooths and tweets doesn’t bother me. writing fanfics and drawing art doesn’t bother me. even referencing that video doesnt bother me much its the posting of comments and screenshots that were clearly never meant to be seen and that were deeply personal to dnp that bothers me. dnp (for the most part besides when that vid leaked and dan got scared, defensive and upset about someone even mentioning phan) have never been against rpf, art, and fics but they have been publicly against the sharing of that video so i think it’s disrespectful to post about it. keep doing what youre doing besides that tho. that’s the only thing i agree with the haters on lmfao

okay fair

[astradyke]

i have so many thoughts about commentator dan because i have Opinions on commentators in general and he would be such a good one !! and ur right about going off on tangents he 100% would basically as long as someone is skating bc when someone is skating he keeps the comments as minimal as possible bc he wants the viewers to appreciate the music and the skaters musicality and artistry!!

in said tangents he would mention phil SO MUCH and like he doesnt even realize phil is just like always part of the conversation when hes discussing skating and his co-commentators keep track one time and are like "you said phils name in 57 times during this two hour competition" and hes just like... well yeah! (ppl online make compilations thats like "everytime dan howell mentions phil lester while commentating)

and all the skater in the figure skating community AODRED them after everything bc of their bravery and all that kind of stuff like skaters are lining up to be coached by them and have dan do their choreography. the isu (who is the governing body of international figure skating) and the british figure skating association bc the isu doesnt like when skaters are like Actual People british figure skating association was mad bc the fake datin gidea came from them and dnps reveal made them look bad

and them teaching their niece is the the thing i think about most often maybe. like dan skating with her on his back and phil taking videos and them each holding one of her hands while she skates between them and them getting her her first pair of real skates.

OHHHH i see okay so my idea of commentary was flipped he'd want to go on tangents while they skate. oh i'm imagining him going on tangents about music and whatnot now... ugh. he has my love

HELP the online compilations is so real!!!!! that's so sweet he absolutely would he cannot keep phil's name out of his damn mouth. i also love the idea that sometimes he might not even introduce phil by his full name in the sort of we/us fashion the two of them have where it's like to know dan you just Gotta know phil. which like yes most people in the figure skating world probably would know phil if they knew dan but man you gotta speak to the lay person. alas dan is just too sappy to do it

OH ATEEEEEE THEY GOT AT THE INSTITUTIONS !!! That's really cool :] i'm so glad they get their little figure skating community that's awesome. so so sweet.

PHIL TAKING VIDEOS OH I WILL DIE!!! I WILL DIE YOU WILL KILL ME!!! him using his photography as a love language (for lack of a better word) is already lethal enough but dropping it into this au where he like photographs dan skating with their niece.... UGH. also dan skating with her on his back is so fucking cute :( this makes me so happy

do you think the two of them would try to teach martyn and cornelia to skate or would those two be abandoned to time