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Did Christianity Steal From Paganism? Yes... No... It's Complicated. Part 2: Vikings
Tis the season so I figured I'd talk about the topic that's been the subject of debate for a long time, most recently with the 2024 Olympics. I will be discussing the visual aspect of these religions, not the theological aspects.
Short answer: Yes
Long answer: No
Let's get into it: The Viking era is from 800-1050 AD and can be divided into seven parts based off the style of visual art that was popular. The first style is called the Oseberg style (775-800 AD) and would be the basis of all the Viking styles of art after it. It was made of three forms that were derived from Pagan pre-Viking art: ribbon animals, gripping beasts, and ambiguous forms. You can see it on the bow of the ship below; the ship dates to the 9th century and was found in a burial mound in Tønsberg, Norway. Remember these forms because they're going to be important later.
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The Vikings started coming into contact with Christian Anglo Saxon (modern day English) missionaries in the 700-800s, but they had little effect. The missionaries were well received by the kings but when their Pagan chieftains threatened to rescind their support, the missionaries were sent away. Another example of that is in 878 AD, the Christian king of the Anglo Saxons, Alfred the Great of Wessex, and the Pagan king of the Vikings, Guthrum the Old, were at war. King Alfred ended up winning and as part of the peace treaty, Guthrum had to get baptized into Christianity. He did so but maintained his Pagan worship and did not implement Christianity.
Besides the kings, common people had also started to slowly assimilate to Christianity. Christians had a rule that they couldn't trade with Pagans so Pagan Vikings began primsigning. Primsigning is an old Norse word meaning "to make the sign of the cross," the way to show you followed Christian beliefs before converting all the way through baptism. Even though they weren't being baptized and were still practicing Paganism, primsigning was enough for Christians to feel comfortable trading with them and brought the Vikings more into the world of Christianity.
An interesting example of this is in Kopparsvik, Sweden, where a large number of Viking individuals were buried in a prone position from 900-1050 AD. This is completely different from traditional Pagan Viking burials: there were no grave goods, no animal sacrifices, no mighty ships. Typically, a prone position is a sign of showing humility towards God and all the figures had notches carved into their teeth (below). Historians theorize that they used the notches to secretly signal to Christian merchants that they were also Christian to get discounts while not being alienated from their Pagan communities.
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The coin below is from ~921 AD. It's a Viking coin from York, England and wonderfully shows the mixing of Pagan and Christian iconography. Coins like this typically had the name of the Viking king engraved on them but this one has "St. Peter." However, it also depicts the hammer of Thor on both the head (left) and reverse (right). It really demonstrates the visual mixing of religions.
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Sometime between 940-1000 AD, the cross below was made. It was found in St Andrew's Church, Andreas, Isle of Man (between England and Ireland), and is another great example of the combination of Pagan and Christian art. On one side (left) it depicts Odin with one of his ravens fighting the wolf Fenrir at Ragnarök. The other side (right) depicts Christ triumphing over Satan. Both of these are stories of good vs evil and depict a god triumphing at the end of days. It would have drawn attention to the theological similarities between Christianity and Norse Paganism, making it easier for people to conflate the differing theologies.
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Remember the Oseberg style from before? We're going to revisit it. By the 900s, Viking art was being done in the Mamman style; the ribbon animals and gripping beasts had combined into an icon called the Great Beast. The Great Beast was a symbol of power and strength, frequently put on longships and other Pagan items. In 986 AD, Viking King Bluetooth, a recent convert to Christianity, had the jelling stone below erected in honor of his deceased parents. On one side, he included a Great Beast; this was to show the strength and nobility of his parents and the nation they ruled. On the other side, he put an image of Christ Triumphant. This makes sense for a cenotaph as the promise of a resurrection is a comfort in the face of death. But the combination of a Pagan symbol of strength and an image of Christ is very interesting; it's doing more than pointing out the similarities between the two religions, it's uniting both Pagan and Christian subjects under his rule and proudly displaying the two different sources of the Viking's strength.
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I can't end this without also talking about architecture. The last Viking art style is called the Urnes style and it's primarily because of the church below. It was built in 1132 AD in Urnes, Norway and is a stave church, meaning the whole thing was built without any nails!! The entire thing is self-supporting wood made using the post and lintel system. It's a Chrisitan church but has Pagan iconography on the sides: the last version of the Great Beast (right) and Pagan runes. It's fascinating how a Christian place of worship is decorated and protected by Pagan icons, once again showing the combination of visual cultures and methods of thought.
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So, the answer everyone is looking for is NO.
The Christians didn't steal anything from the Pagans, they made an association. They produced art in the style that was popular and followed the artistic trends of the time. Christian and Pagan imagery was produced in the same medium and combined until Paganism was phased out over hundreds of years. They saw similar gods and iconography and combined them to make a message that was understandable to all audiences.
Happy Yule! Happy Winter Solstice!
Further reading:
Smarthistory – Art of the Viking Age
BBC - History - Ancient History in depth: Viking Religion
The Vikings and Christianity | History of Christian Vikings – Sons of Vikings
Treaty of Wedmore - Wikipedia
Manx runestones - Wikipedia
Prone Burials and Modified Teeth at the Viking Age Cemetery of Kopparsvik - Historische Beratung Dr. Matthias Toplak
Ancient Viking Art - Medievalists.net
Gamla Uppsala - Wikipedia
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enlynstory · 2 days ago
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⟢ No One Noticed
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Shipping: non-idol Yang Jungwon x reader
Synopsis: Yang Jungwon, a hopeful and kind young man, unexpectedly becomes the love interest of a girl who’s been struggling with rejecting people.
Warnings: self isolation, fear, betrayal, ex friendships. lmk if there are any more please and thank you :)
Wc: 605
It wasn’t unlike her to shut people out; in fact, it was something she did effortlessly. She wasn’t a people person. The mere idea of showing even a hint of care for someone especially when she felt no tendency to irritated her to her core.
She lived by a motto: "Better alone than surrounded by false connections." It was a belief forged from a painful past, one that had shaped her reluctance to let anyone in.
That was until she met him.
She met someone who shared kindness and cooperation, someone who didn’t care if she tried to push him away, someone who was willing to fight for her. She met Yang Jungwon.
The two had met in a college class. They were paired together for a three-week business project, and it wasn’t like she could turn him down—it was the final project, so she had no choice but to work with him.
He had noticed her before, in class. He always thought she was pretty and seemed kind, but he never had the chance to talk to her.
When the partners were announced by the professor, he waited, hoping her name would be called.
“Yang Jungwon and… Y/N.”
It was a relief to him when it was her, but what he hadn’t expected was that she barely spoke and seemed reserved when he approached her for the first time.
He noticed how she didn’t even look at him. She was silently staring down at the notebook on her desk.
“Y/N, right?”
At the time, he frowned, finding himself thinking about that encounter more than once. It didn’t take long for him to realize she didn’t like people.
One afternoon, the two of them sat in a coffee shop when a family with two loud kids walked in.
“I hate people,” she said.
He laughed at how bluntly she said it, and for once, he saw her smile.
He began to notice how she looked whenever someone tried to talk to her after class—how she seemed to disregard their presence. He saw the fear in her eyes when someone even walked by.
“I don’t like to intrude on people’s lives, but… why are you so afraid of getting to know someone?”
She was taken aback by his question. It was just another project session, the usual Mondays they spent together.
“My past,” she said.
It wasn’t like him to pry, but this time he did. She hesitated for a moment, then spoke.
“My best friend betrayed me after she grew tired of supporting me. She shared my personal struggles with others for attention.” She sighed loudly. “It hurt more than any other pain I had felt before, so I decided to shut everyone out.”
If he had noticed that last project session would be their final one, he would have seen the sadness in her eyes.
She had grown accustomed to him, and it made her feel strange. The simple thought of being around him seemed to lift a weight off her shoulders. But in the end, she knew she had to let him go for her own sake.
The day after they submitted their project, she saw him walk into class. She immediately looked away, knowing their time together was over.
Of course, Jungwon noticed. He always did.
He saw how she immediately looked down at her notebook when he walked up to her.
“You’re not trying to get rid of me now, are you?” he asked with a grin.
It was just like Yang Jungwon to notice, because unlike everyone else, he didn’t want to be the one she pushed away.
[AN]
This is my first story, yayyyy!!!! I’m not sure…how but this was a quick thirty minute write, so if you find any errors please feel free to correct them!! All the help is greatly appreciated!!🫶🏼🫶🏼
Thank you for reading💖
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judesmoonbeauty · 1 day ago
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Jude's Twisted Tale Dark IF : SE & Main Story Mini Lore Dissection
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Just a brief post about the event lore and how it was executed in his route. I could write about a ton of things I noticed, but I'll spare you. I've selected a few main points that I think are important. This will contain major route spoilers, so please move on if you don't want to be spoiled. As always, this is just my opinion regarding how the lore was applied, all viewpoints are valid.
So, Jude's story was quite important for route lore, and if you missed it then I'm sure you'll be able to find it on YT.
So, how does it correlate regarding his route?
Children •ʚଓ Event Lore: Jude and Kate met in the past and he made a promise to her. Main story: There are two children and a promise is made, but Kate is not that child.
Research •ʚଓ Event Lore: Jude is researching a way to cure Kate's illness. Main Story: Jude is researching aerospace engineering & developing a rocket ship capable to flying to the moon.
The Promise •ʚଓ Event Lore: A promise he made to Kate a long time ago to save her from death. Main Story: A promise he made to someone other than Kate to take them to the moon.
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Time •ʚଓ Event Lore: Time is not impossible to turn back. Time magic exists. Past, present and future are all tangled together, connecting countless words. Time marches on mercilessly as Kate tries to break her curse
Main Story: Time is not able to be turned back. Time magic/travel doesn't exist, Jude can't go back to retrieve what he's lost. Time travel may not exist, but space travel is a possibility, which would connect Jude to another world once he reaches the moon. Time marches on mercilessly for Jude as he tries to fulfill his promise to the one he made it to.
Fairies •ʚଓ Event Lore: Fairies are rare creatures with outstanding abilities that are often the source of international conflicts. They are targeted, and their deaths give an opposing country military advantage. Fairies can easily overthrow a government with power, and the fairies who refuse to join the military are imprisoned and killed.
Main Story: Obviously, his curse is the 13th fairy, but Jude is extremely intelligent and highly skilled in many things, and because of the cycle of hatred that he voluntarily enters in, he is often targeted 24/7. With the knowledge that Jude possesses in terms of his research in aerospace engineering, he has very lethal technology in his hands. Although his intentions are pure and endearing rather than sinister, a coalition between three groups work against Jude after he repeatedly refuses to give up his research. He is imprisoned and tortured by the military, waiting to be killed.
Death •ʚଓ Event Lore: Jude the fairy is okay with dying over a promise, feeling he's lived long enough. He is able to save Kate from death as he promised.
Main Story: While a part of Jude was determined to live in spite of the world for the longest time, he is exhausted and really just wants to give up. Even his promise - the only thing he has left - isn't enough of an anchor for him anymore. The one whom he promised to protect died as he was unable to save them.
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Overall, I loved Jude's SE route. It's very fairytale-like, very sweet, funny in some areas, devastating and romantic to me. The hole I felt in my heart over the overwhelming feelings of loss they both felt in bitter end...it's so relatable. I mean we've all most likely lost someone in our lives, and haven't been quite the same haven't we?
The way they took his route lore and twisted it to fit his whacky tale in the event is superb! And to me it just goes to show how far out the main stories are actually planned and written. To me that feels like excellent planning and execution. Some may feel differently and that's okay, but this is my take on it.
To be frank, I think that all the stories in the Twisted Tale series so far are wonderful in their own way......I really like the name Dark IF actually. Twisted Tale sounds weird to me.
Can't wait for the next set of Dark IF Tales!
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demonic0angel · 3 days ago
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Ok I think you've answered this before but beside anger management, What are you favorite ships for other characters?
Ofc, my top fav ship in general and for Jazz is Anger Management/Hardcover (Jason x Jazz) XD
Another one of my favorite ships in general and for Dan is Bad Humor (Dick x Dan) AKA First Failures (but I hate that name). I can write other stuff, but I hardkey don’t care for it.
My favorite ship for Dani is any combination between her and Kon or Tim, or all three of them together. However, I do also like her with Valerie lmao.
For Danny, I am a multi-shipper so I kind of don’t care that much? However, I prefer Dead Silent (Danny x Cass), Deadlight (Duke x Danny), or Gray Ghost (Danny x Valerie) over the others.
The only hard limit I have is Dead on Main, and any ship with Jason or Jazz that aren’t involved with each other (Talia is an exception with Jazz bc I love the idea of Damian being Jazz’s kid bc they’re my favorite characters). But for the most part, I’m okay with most ships :3
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ladykailitha · 6 hours ago
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A Corroded Coffin Christmas ft The Fallen
Hello and welcome to my Christmas AUvent Calendar! Every day from now until the 24th I will be posting a ficlet that is 500-1500 from an AU I've done over the years.
All stories will be marked with the tag #12 aus of christmas so you can follow along as I will only be tagging my permanent list for this (it would get too confusing otherwise).
The next one on our list is: The Fallen verse. You can read the story here and it's sequels here and here. All links will be to the first chapter, but the chapter itself will have links to the rest of the story.
Day 1 Day 2 Day 3 Day 4 Day 5 Day 6 Day 7 Day 8 Day 9 Day 10
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Steve reached over and put his hand on Simon’s knee as it was bouncing faster and faster the closer they got to the studio. He was nervous as fuck. Hell, they all were. Because apparently the perks of being the boyfriend for the lead singer of the biggest metal band in the world is getting his band to do a Christmas album with them.
It wasn’t going to be a full album, just about eight or so songs that would feature The Fallen in someway. Steve was really looking for to the absolute gay fest his version of “Santa Baby” was going to be.
Other songs would include “Jingle Bells”, “Carol of the Bells”, “Last Christmas”, “Better Do it Right”, “I Heard the Bells on Christmas Day”, “I Saw Three Ships” (the duet version Barenaked Ladies did with Sarah McLaughlin), “Little Drummer Boy”, and “Christmas Day” for the feels.
It was going to be so much fun. Gareth and Spencer were going to do a drum off for “Better Do it Right” and Shane was going to really get to let lose on the metal cover of “I Heard the Bells on Christmas Day”. While Simon was going take over for Jeff in “Last Christmas”. Jeff couldn’t stand the song and didn’t want to have his ears bleed.
The car pulled up to the studio where they were led into the sound booth would be using. For the most part everyone would be going into different rooms and laying down their parts but would come together for the duet and Carol of the Bells where they would all be singing together.
Even Spence. Which he as super excited for. One secret that not even Eddie knew was that backup vocals weren’t sung by Asmodeus or Astraeus. But by Azrael. He had the best voice next to Steve and he loved that no one knew that but his friends and now Nadia.
They all gathered together in the green room with Bob, Chrissy, and Celeste all waiting for them. It appeared the Corroded Coffin boys weren’t there yet.
“Come on in!” Bob said brightly. “You can take your masks off for bit if you want, Eddie knows to knock before they come in.”
They all looked at each other and then all of them removed the masks with a sigh of relief. The masks were as comfortable as they could be but they were still masks.
They chatted for awhile, talking about the album and which songs they were excited to play. Everyone agreed it was Abbadon doing Santa Baby. Screw “Santa Buddy” for fuck’s sake.
Then there was a knock on the door and after they were given time to put the masks back, Corroded Coffin entered the room.
“Hey, guys!” Bob greeted brightly. “Come on in. I’m Bob Newby, I’m The Fallen’s music producer. Thank you for choosing me to do this with you!”
Jeff reached out and shook his hand. “We’ve heard nothing but things about you from the guys and couldn’t wait to get in the studio with you.”
“Yeah,” Gareth agreed. “It’s nice to put a face to the name.”
Then they all sat down and wrote down which order everyone would going in. And it was pretty much going to a full schedule for everyone for the next couple of weeks.
But they were all excited and couldn’t wait to get started.
Then the day came. The one everyone had been waiting for. The instrumentals had been laid and mixed weeks ago, but it was time for Steve to sing “Santa Baby”.
The little sound booth was crammed with everyone wanting to hear this. Both managers, Vickie their agent, and the seven other members of both bands all clustered behind Bob at the mixer.
Steve had his mask on, but rolled his shoulders as he started his vocal warm ups. He shook out his limbs and then grabbed the mic.
“Santa baby,” Abbadon crooned, “just slip a Jag under the tree for me. Been an awful good boy. Santa baby, so hurry down the chimney tonight!”
Eddie melted on the spot. If the guys had been in the know, they would be making fun of him so hard right now. As it was, they all were under Abbadon’s spell.
“Santa baby, a ‘54 convertible too, light blue. I’ll wait up for you. Santa Baby, so hurry down the chimney tonight! Think of all the fun I’ve missed, think of all the fella’s that I haven’t kissed. Next year I could be just as good, if you check off my Christmas list.”
Steve continued to sing the whole song and the sound booth was going to crazy. Once he was done, The Fallen boys flooded the recording booth and dogpiled Abbadon, telling him how sick that was and that it was going to be a number one hit for sure.
Eddie didn’t doubt that for a moment. Abbadon coming out as bisexual and then two years later, singing that? Yeah. That song was going to be huge. They all walked out of the studio to a bright July evening, excited for the album to drop in December.
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They were right, The Fallen were asked to sing “Santa Baby” on every morning talk show, late night show, and for the POPS! Christmas special.
Another one that made the POPS concert, which surprised everyone, was Gareth and Spence’s Little Drummer Boy. They credited the idea to Of King and Country, of course, but there was just something special about a metal version of it that drove the masses wild.
The final surprise off the album was people clamoring to know who the contra alto was in their version of “Carol of the Bells”. They wanted to know who the guest female vocalist was. Both The Fallen and Corroded Coffin burst out laughing every time the question was raised.
“All vocals were done by Corroded Coffin and The Fallen,” Bob said in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine. “There was no female vocalist.”
Spence enjoyed every moment of the speculation.
When the album went platinum in two weeks, they threw a party with the two bands.
“Here’s to the best metal Christmas collab of all time!” Eddie toasted and everyone cheered.
Steve smiled, it was a very merry Christmas indeed.
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drdtshipping · 2 days ago
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Teruko/Arei/Whit aaaaa >u<
I've never thought about these three before. I love aruko, whitrei, and teruwhit, which means they're a perfect trio, right?
Trick question. They're beautiful.
What would their ship name be? Feel free to comment any ideas for a "trio" title.
˚₊· ͟͟͞➳❥ 1/3 of the time Teruko mediates their antics, 1/3 Teruko joins them, 1/3 she ignores them. 100% of the time she laughs.
˚₊· ͟͟͞➳❥ Arei and Whit's favorite thing is when she joins in on their antics. Typically pranking because they all make this elaborate plan for a prank, just for Teruko's luck to make it go wrong, but the end result ends up being unexpected and x10 funnier.
˚₊· ͟͟͞➳❥ Teruko's bad luck didn't go away, but 100% of injuries (to her and everyone else) decreased.
˚₊· ͟͟͞➳❥ Teruko often gets frustrated by how people brush off her bad luck (saying luck doesn't exist). Arei isn't sure what the fuck is up, but she says "Whatever it is- demonic spirit, bad luck, karma needs to stay THE FUCK away from my girlfriend!!"
˚₊· ͟͟͞➳❥ When cuddling, Arei typically hogs the middle, but Teruko likes it the best.
˚₊· ͟͟͞➳❥ Arei likes cuddling with Teruko more than Whit because she's a little more squishy (Arei is the squishiest).
˚₊· ͟͟͞➳❥ Teruko has biweekly nightmares, but they get better when she's with her partners. Whit does sleep with them, but he doesn't every night. Teruko doesn't mind; actually, she prefers that he gets as much sleep as he wants, but Arei whines about it every. night.
˚₊· ͟͟͞➳❥ Whit showers his girlfriends in presents on all holidays.
˚₊· ͟͟͞➳❥ Whit is really into matching outfits and onesies.
˚₊· ͟͟͞➳❥ Whit, Teruko, Arei (in order).
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˚₊· ͟͟͞➳❥ Quiet movie nights with popcorn (extra buttered).
˚₊· ͟͟͞➳❥ Think about this: Arei and Whit were best friends who pined over Teruko and one day she liked them back.
˚₊· ͟͟͞➳❥ Teruko was the last to move in, and Arei and Whit moved in as best friends.
˚₊· ͟͟͞➳❥ They never dated until they ALL agreed on dating.
-Mod Fishy!!
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deromanuscoven · 2 days ago
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₊°。❆𝘿𝙚 𝙍𝙤𝙢𝙖𝙣𝙪𝙨 𝘾𝙤𝙫𝙚𝙣 - 𝙎𝙖𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙣𝙖𝙡𝙞𝙖 𝙀𝙫𝙚𝙣𝙩₊°。❆
Welcome to the Saturnalia Event of the de Romanus coven! And Thank everyone who will attend the event, we hope you all have a lot of fun!
This year our event is inspired by the Saturnalia festival of ancient Rome. Each prompt recalls an aspect of this Roman festival.
The event will take place from December 20 to December 23.
The prompts are free, and can be approached either from a modern point of view, with a reference to ancient Rome, or by setting them in ancient Rome. The event is open to any ship and any Anne Rice character. We ask for respect for the characters and for Anne Rice; submissions should celebrate the vampire chronicle books with positivity and affection.
-All types of works are welcome:
-fanart
-fanfiction
-aesthetic
-moodboard
-poems
-music/songs etc.
⚠️Please tag your work with " deromanuscoven" and if you notice that your work has not been found, please contact us so that we can add it to the others. Thank you for your cooperation.
-Banners are free to be used by those who wish to accompany their work.
Below are the banners with prompts that will be used during the Saturnalia event:
❆Day 1 - December 20 -> Prompts:
❆Strenne (name of the gifts the Romans exchanged).
❆Ego Saturnalia ( a wish and greeting)
❆Myrtle, laurel, ivy ( the three symbols of saturnalia)
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❆Day 2 - December 21 -> Prompts:
❆Cooked earthenware statuette (common gift)
❆The parade to the temple of Saturn
❆The stands
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❆Day 3 - December 22 -> Prompts:
❆Princeps! a world in reverse
❆Sacrifice to the goddess Ops
❆The great banquet
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❆Day 4 - December 23 -> Prompts:
❆Dancers and musicians in the streets of Rome
❆Legions and honors: the centurion's gift
❆Smelling oils and a wreath at the feet of the god Saturn
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gaydr0id · 3 days ago
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nobody asked but im telling you anyway!!
52 represents yellow (conflicted) connor, 53 represents pink (sympathetic machine) connor, and flynn represents green (true deviant) connor. they are all deviant but how they responded to that deviancy is different. 52 really struggled to let go of his programming, 53 never fully did, and flynn completely rejected it (hence the name change)
52 was built shortly after 51 as a backup. when 51 was destroyed on his first mission cyberlife immediately built 53 and flynn and started training them for deployment. they were sent after 52 when he deviated but they ended up becoming deviant themselves through the power of gay
53 and flynn are codependent as hell. they have never spent a single moment apart and genuinely have no idea how to function without each other
53 knows how to ride a motorcycle but he always rides on the back of flynns anyway
they are all bodyguards for markus post cannon
they live with markus and simon in the manfred mansion
52 volunteers at the dog shelter when he's not working for markus. sometimes he gets too attached and has to bring one home. he currently has five dogs but considering how spacious their home is i absolutely see him adopting more.
when 53 gets injured flynn repairs him. he is very good at it and leaves absolutely no scarring
52 is still friends with hank
flynn removed his led and 53 wears it around his neck (under his shirt)
i hc every connor model as autistic so ofc these three are too
the kinky stuff:
52 is a Dom. tease and denial is his main kink. he is a verse. as long as simon is begging for it he doesnt care
53 is a puppy sub and an absolute FREAK. the edgier the play the better. he wants to get shot at, he wants to have his therium pump regulator dangled over a cliff. the more dangerous it is, the hornier he is
flynn is 53s Owner. hes sadistic af and thrives off of 53's enthusiastic masochism. his main kink is power exchange and he pretty much has total control over 53.
feel free to draw them or use them in fic but please do not make any changes to their sexualities, gender identities, relationships, or kink roles. shipping with other characters is allowed as long as they are not separated from their cannon partners.
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these are my connorsonas! please ask me about them im very autistic
(art by tom_the_trash on tiktok)
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queseresere · 6 months ago
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It is funniest if Martyn objects to the marriage and still ends up here the next morning.
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earthfluuke · 2 years ago
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Fuck with Pennhung? NaiWhite is coming for you. HOME SCHOOL (2023)
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Wallace: Hi, sorry I'm late! I was doing some chores and got distracted.
Steven: I'm "some chores".
Winona: And I'm "got distracted".
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bibliophilicstranger · 11 hours ago
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I investigated the TV trope page and noted something you may have missed: there are numerous examples of the same trope far predating the Harry Potter series. The idea of turning a good character bad for one reason or another, including for shipping, is not a new one. It wasn't started by Harmony fans. Someone could easily have named the same trope The Roman's Odysseus, Zeus the Rapist, or Raoul the Alcoholic. The trope may have been used by Harmony fans, and the existence of those fics may have given the name to the trope, but frankly that says more about the media preferences of the people writing the article. If I had to guess, it was created during the heyday of Harry Potter, as that coincides with when TV Tropes was getting popular (there are approximately 24 pages with Harry Potter-related titles, three of which, including "Ron the Death Eater," are fanon terms). Based on the current Trope-naming guidelines, were the same page created today it might well not mention a character at all but be named "Good Guys Go Bad."
I'm going to have to ask you to provide some kind of credible article on Harmony shippers sending death threats as unfortunately Rowling gets so many of them that my searches are turning up more recent events. Were that to be true it would be unfortunate. Disappointment is warranted, and the expression of that disappointment is allowed, but one should not send death threats, especially not over this.
I can't comment on "classist body shaming and look shaming comments" as I've never seen those particular attacks made. Unless you're referring to the bit from canon where he's got dirt on his nose? Ron is canonically tall and thin-- who on earth is body shaming him for that? And in comparison to whom? Harry is also skinny, with knobby knees.
Attacking Harmony shippers for their reading comprehension is another ad hominem attack and I must request that you desist on that front. For one, it's inaccurate to say that someone who ships Harmony lacks reading comprehension. Reading comprehension is simply the ability to read a text, process it, and understand its meaning. Two people can have equally good reading comprehension but reach a different understanding of the text by focusing on different aspects or bringing different theories to bear.
You seem to adhere to the opposites-attract, pigtail-pulling-is-cute, antagonistic-bickering-is-a-sign-of-attraction school. I concede that is a common enough trope of its own. You focus on the expressions of jealousy toward other romantic interests, the virulence of their squabbles and the explicit details provided. The very things you seem to favor, the "love-hate relationship" are the same things which concern Harmony fans, who worry that such a relationship would ultimately be unhealthy and devolve into domestic violence. If the 'hate' part of love-hate got significantly better over time, then it wouldn't be as much of an issue, but as late as book six Hermione has escalated from trading insults with Ron to sending birds to attack him. In book seven, when Ron returns Hermione punches him, yells at him, and wants her wand to curse him. We don't see them practicing a lot of healthy conflict resolution-- Hermione rightfully bears a grudge that doesn't seem to be resolved until after they visit the Lovegoods, and we don't see them have a discussion where they talk it out as much as they just go through another particularly dangerous event and it makes them ignore and forget any previous conflict-- just like books one and three. Once they're no longer fighting trolls, death eaters, and Voldemort, can Hermione and Ron actually resolve their disagreements?
In contrast, I, and many other Harmony fans, look for exchanges of support and comfort, understanding one another, prioritizing one another. I look at details such as Hermione's words to Harry in the Potions Challenge in book one, her bringing him toast the morning after the Triwizard champions are selected in book four, and his trust in her and prioritization of her desires in book five. There are also the details in book six of Harry comforting Hermione and talking her up to Slughorn and her comforting him in book seven when they visit the Potters' grave or when they learn about Dumbledore. There are a variety of times where they display compatibility by knowing what one another is thinking, or how they're likely to act. While Harry and Hermione do argue, they still treat each other with respect and even while at odds Harry usually acknowledges that Hermione's position is well-meaning. There are other examples where he expresses anger around her, but acknowledges he's not angry at her, but the situation or other people.
Before the explicit introduction of romance in book six, there were only hints in either direction. Even after book six, there was a chance that any romance or attraction wouldn't last. There are many couples who make it through all of high school only to break up as they get older. A first attraction between Ron and Hermione could have flared and burnt out, and Harry and Hermione could have gotten together in the end. Neither Harry's attraction to Cho nor Ron's to Lavender lasted, after all.
Now for the Ginny "fanfic" you mentioned. Are you talking about the forum post of that name from twenty years ago? The one that's not a fanfic, but a conception of ways that Ginny could be removed in book seven? That only actually has only 196 ways? I'll grant you they're not the most tasteful, but this has been done for many characters over the years, including Hermione, Draco, and Edward Cullen.
I'd disagree about who the most toxic people in the fandom are. You yourself reblogged a post acknowledging the toxicity of the Romione fans. In addition to having seen numerous attacks on Harmony fans by Romione fans (including yourself), I've often seen incredibly toxic behavior from Marauders era fans (ex: 1 2 3), especially the ones who ignore most of canon. I think there has been a decent amount of hatred towards Tonks and Remadora (ex: 1, 2, 3) but it's also easy for most Wolfstar shippers to ignore her existence, considering most Wolfstar occurs before the Remadora relationship is even remotely possible. I can't be bothered to expose myself to HarryxDeathEater ships to find examples of them being abusive to Ginny-- I have most of those tags blocked-- but I'm fairly certain Drarry fans have engaged in just as much Ginny bashing and the use of that love-potion trope you don't like.
Accusing someone of "playing the victim card" is a common form of gaslighting and I suggest you remove it from your vocabulary before your erroneous use causes harm. You're also applying it in a situation where it's false. To play the victim card, one must be fabricating or exaggerating victimhood. To see two asks where someone called me a bitch, look here and here. I've deleted others. Here's an out of the blue attack on Lily and here and here are some against Hermione. In your above response you validated what I said about attacks on reading comprehension, but here's another example. And here's the call for negativity against Harmony shippers. As you can see, these are neither fabrications, nor exaggerations and therefore your accusation is false.
Further, you would really rather preach that all Harmony shippers should accept being victims of cruelty, simply because some may have engaged in negative behavior in the past (and a past that in some cases is twenty years and a whole generation of fans ago)? That seems a rather slippery slope, don't you think? It's thinking like that which has synagogues in Canada and Australia firebombed, when those with particular views on Israel/Palestine attack all Jews over their disagreement with the Israeli government, even when those Jews have no say in what the Israeli government does. It's one thing to disagree with a particular person holding views you don't like, it's another to call for an attack on all shippers. Such an attitude only perpetuates toxicity in fandom.
Defend your ship if you like, but if you want a less toxic fandom, constrain yourself to arguing over the text. After all, don't you want to sow positivity for yourself, lest you dislike what you reap?
There is one thing in common with the PeterMJ (Spider-Man/Marvel) and Romione (Harry Potter) shippers; both of their pairings are 'canon' and have everything going for them thanks to favoritism by the author (J.K. Rowling)/ comic writers (Marvel). Despite all that, these
'canon' shippers aren't satisfied with having an already huge following and seek/continue to tear down on other ships (Harmione & PeterGwen) just to push their pairings to front and center. People like these are why we hate fandoms.
I can't comment on the Marvel portion of this ask as my knowledge of that universe is limited in scope and I'm not an active member of its fandom.
As for the Harry Potter part...
I think Romione fans have the issue that while their pairing is canon, it's not well developed in the text (very few pairings in Harry Potter are). We're told that they get together, marry, and have children, yet we don't actually see a lot of development of the relationship blocks that would support the longevity of their marriage. Yes, they went through the war together (although Ron abandoned them for a good portion of that) and yes they were friends, but their friendship was highly contentious and they spent significant portions of each year not speaking to one another or not hanging out (first year before they were friends, second year when she was petrified, most of third year, part of fourth where Hermione was more with Harry, part of sixth year, and part of seventh). Now, technically, first and second year don't count, but honestly, the only year they spend the entirety of together where they don't have a major fight is their fifth year. We know they like each other from Hermione's actions in book six and Ron's in seven, but we don't really see why they do, why that would turn into love rather than a teenage crush, or why they'd make it as adults.
Supposedly Hermione likes Ron because he's funny. Supposedly Hermione's maturity makes up for Ron's lack and he gets her to open up. While there's something to her liking someone who can lighten things up, if that's all then she could just as easily have liked one of the Weasley Twins instead. As a Hermione-type myself, I've often liked guys who were funny, but them being funny isn't enough. The guy I dated when I was 17 was funny, but he also lacked drive and dedication and in the end that made us incompatible in the long-run. Yeah, it's nice to have friends that can make you laugh, but in a partner for life you want someone you don't have to nag all the time when you need them to do something.
We also know that JKR admitted that Romione was her personal wish-fulfilment, clinging to her original idea of the plot, whatever that was, rather than a natural outcome of what she actually wrote. She also said they'd have needed counseling and their relationship was further questioned in the Cursed Child.
This puts Romione shippers on a weaker footing than most canon-pair shippers in other fandoms, making them defensive. Yes, they have the benefit of canon, but not the textual support, other than 'well, our people got married.' They can be threatened by Harmony supporters, who have fairly well crafted arguments grounded in the text for why Harry and Hermione make sense as a pairing. This makes Harmony a greater threat than pairings which are more loosely grounded in the books: Dramione, for instance, is never going to happen in a close-to-canon universe, but it takes very few tweaks to make Harmony work. Additionally, many of the arguments used in favor of Romione are equally as powerful for Harmony, such as the length of their friendship. Indeed, many of the arguments regarding Hermione's feelings for Harry specifically are a lot stronger, because we do see instances where she chooses Harry over Ron, such as in the seventh book.
It is unfortunate that these tend to become rather nasty fights that devolve into personal attacks on the sanity, demeanor, or reading comprehension of the Harmony shipper. I've seen many people go after another Harmony shipper on here pretty nastily, and I've heard tiktok and instagram are worse. Some screenshots I've seen are basically Romione shippers vowing to spread negativity about Harmony just because they don't like some of the fanfic people have written. As if it weren't possible to just, you know, not read the fanfic you don't like.
It would be nice not to get people randomly calling me a bitch in my inbox, but you know, such is life. I don't know if they dislike me more for shipping Harmony or Jily at this point but I really don't care.
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rebelsafoot · 8 months ago
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this trend Also could have worked for foreman, cameron and chase
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infizero-draws · 14 days ago
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naming myself official ceo of lizzidarity (name i came up with). anyone else here insane after their interactions in the finale or is it just me
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renonv · 7 months ago
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Pov: you are Francis stuck on a long carriage ride with your freak friends (good for them)
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epicfirestormer · 7 months ago
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(holds all three in my hands) I just think they're neat
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