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nellasbookplanet · 4 days ago
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Just started watching ep. 118 (yes I know I'm behind, I've been busy playing Prey and writing essays on Octavia Butler with life) and in listening to Ludinus' monologue I had a thought about a specific disconnect that cause many, in universe as well of out of it, to view the gods as tyrants. Imogen points it out when Ludinus laments about his family being collateral damage in the battle between the Lawbearer and the Crawling King: would he rather the Crawling King have been unleashed on the world to wreak havoc uncontested? (to which his response was a long silence and glaring at her)
It’s an inability to understand and accept the true scale and nuance the gods operate on, and in doing so choosing to place individual suffering and slights over ultimate consequences that may, and often do, affect the entire world. Yes it’s horrible that the gods struck down Aeor - but they were defending themselves against a weapon of mass destruction, and any other action would have been akin to lining themselves up to be shot. Yes it sucks that the Titans, who were there first, were killed - but they were trying to exterminate all mortals. Yes the deaths during the Calamity were unforgivable - but the alternative would've been to let the Betrayers kill everyone. Yes it’s horrible that the primes wouldn’t let their champions oppose Lolth in taking Opal - but they are in the middle of a battle for the world in which all hands are needed, and losing champions to a minor skirmish when they want the same thing would be pointless. Yes it’s unfair that the gods won’t personally step in and help every little person suffering, such as Ashton and Laudna - but they're literally gods responsible for the lives and afterlives of millions, and also separated by the Divine Gate, which was literally erected to protect mortals from the fallout of too much divine meddling.
When pressed, Ludinus switches to saying that it isn't the collateral itself that is the problem, but that the gods won’t personally remember and beg forgiveness for every single life lost. In saying this, he also claims that he is different - but is he? Does he honor the lives of Orym's family? The children tortured under Trent and other suffering caused by the Cerberus Assembly? The thousands lost in the war between the Empire and the Dynasty because he wanted his own beacon? The entire city of Molaesmyr? Does he even remember the many individuals indoctrinated into his cult and lost in the ensuing battle?
In the end, it isn't about collateral, or honoring those sacrificed. It's that he finds his suffering uniquely bad, and his goals uniquely warranted. Only HE (and people who want the same exact thing as him) has the right to make desicions that affect all of Exandria.
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vaguely-concerned · 2 months ago
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from what I infer from some of his dialogue, my guess is that while lucanis hasn't had a proper relationship before he has had one night stands and short term flings. and -- listen, I know he's a dick and a menace and probably a hopeless case but please do still spare illario dellamorte a moment of your thoughts and pity for the role of incredulous yet intrepid wing man that he's all but certainly had to play on several occasions for that to happen. there are 100% people out there who were trying SO fucking hard to get no strings attached laid by this stupidly hot emotionally unavailable mysterious stranger who won't be in town for long without lucanis ever realizing it. people who would have remained tragically unlaid if illario weren't there to clue him in.
I'm just imagining Illario staring in pure dismay and disbelief at his dumbass of a cousin failing to pick up what someone isn't just putting down but scattering all over the floor like glittery confetti burning with a magnesium flame brightness to spell out 'SIR PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RAIL ME THIS IS AN OFFICIAL ENTHUSIASTIC INVITATION TO MY BED' and having to push him out the door after them like 'maker's breath sometimes i don't understand how you have the wits to grip the right end of a knife, lucanis, they were throwing themselves at you and you just stared at them in mild puzzlement until they gave up and went away go fucking GET THEM for the sake of my sanity if nothing else!!!'
#'oh was THAT what that was' lucanis realizes as illario all but throws him onto the person's lap and walks away shaking his head#once he was actually there and the stiuation and what's expected of him were understood I think he'd do wonderfully!#but provably he uh. takes some clueing in at times#illario 'cousin one day you will have fun even if it kills me' dellamorte (dramatic irony edition)#tfw your cousin-brother is SO hot. and so autistic.#dragon age#dragon age: the veilguard#dragon age: the veilguard spoilers#dragon age spoilers#illario dellamorte#lucanis dellamorte#every day I think about 'get that man to stop yelling at me'. illario snooze that guy for me please. their *Dynamic*.#i finished murder of crows last night and the way lucanis' 'not. now' is so out of proportion to what's actually happened.#he sounds mildly annoyed. like illario blunted one of his knives or something instead of shredded his soul. this family is. something#we never get how much of illario's 'that isn't even my cousin that's a demon' shit is real beneath the. general scarness of him lol#but you know what I call that? free narrative real estate. I'm going to go ahead and make myself so so sad about this for no reason <3#illario loves and hates this guy in ways even he himself doesn't understand. so annoying when abel gets back up again#and still wants you to come to family dinner tonight while your hands are dripping with his blood#if anyone had to listen to lucanis anxiously deciding what would be the best way to court the prickliest man in thedas#and deciding on one of the worst possible options. it was illario. again he sucks and he deserves this. but still. the mind boggles
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fabledfinefox · 4 days ago
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matt is such a nicknames guy. he’s constantly referring to dan by pet names. a lot of the time, the others have to figure out who he’s talking about via context clues because he’ll come up with a new name for everyone three times a week.
kevin hates nicknames because he’s The Kevin Day thank you very much, he’s very proud of his name, fame and legacy, he doesn’t need to be anything else. matt compromises by mostly calling him kev instead of anything that only makes sense to matt (kevin still hates it)
they all think matt can’t tell the twins apart more than anyone else but he actually thinks it’s the funniest inside joke ever (to literally only himself, to him it’s so obvious he doesn’t bother explaining it) to mix up their names and pretend they’re each other
he uses neil’s name the most often, as he knows how hard neil fought to have that name and make it his and he would never want to take away from that (neil actually finds it interesting to go by different names just for fun instead of survival)
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vynnyal · 1 month ago
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Of all games why this one
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xxplastic-cubexx · 5 months ago
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so like do you think they made the plastic wheelchair ALONGSIDE the plastic prison as a Just In Case situation, only after they realized charles was going to be a frequent visitor, or both as in because they knew charles was going to be the only person visiting him during planning they decided to make him a chair ahead of time
#xmen#x2: x men united#charles xavier#erik lehnsherr#cherik#not really but yes it is#snap chats#secret fourth option is they just had a plastic wheelchair at the mansion just in case this incredibly specific scenario happened jvlkaervj#part of me hopes the staff just Knew cause imagine being THAT divorced publicly but another part hopes erik asked for one. not politely ofc#def joked bout how charles couldnt think to leave him alone for five minutes lest he did something Uncouth somehow ik he did#that charles was going to show up sooner or later so they might as well make it easy for themselves and prep etc etc#girl ima throw up what if charles didnt visit tho .... thats not even a possibility cause ofc he did but still !!!!#personally id throw up and cry like wdym my best friend ex husband didnt show up. when i even asked for a chair for him ..#EVEN ASKED FOR A SILLY LIL PLASTIC CHESS SET alternatively what if charles brought that... im making myself sick#As Indicated By My Username i think of the plastic jail every day its so funny to me and so quaint#i should rewatch X2 just for plastic jail#like it makes sense and i do think its a cute detail but still. gotta put grandpa in the polly pocket prison set now. tragic !!#i remember watching the movie for the first time in recent years and audibly going 'aw' at the plastic wheelchair im so sorry JVLKEJKA#LIKE AWW CMON THATS WEIRDLY CUTE gotta make sure peepaw can visit his ex husband </3 so they can play chess </3#i love that chess is Their Thing ... any time a ship's got mfers who fucks heavy with chess i know im hooked#its not intentional things happen this way but i will still laugh#kk nightly cherik posting is done byebye
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ohitslen · 2 years ago
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Part 1 of this thing that doesn’t actually have a steady flow
But wouldn’t it be so funny that the guy you get along with just fine is the brother of the guy that you feel like wanting to shower after making eye contact? Because I think it is
Apologies for the weird colors I did my best with the lighting I have 🧎‍♀️
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captainmaxatx · 5 months ago
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I feel like we are all sleeping on the fan fiction potential given to us from Deadpool and Wolverine using their bodies to make a circuit with matter and anti-matter
Who knows what that could do to a person, you could write a fic where that caused anything your heart could think up.
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dadvans · 30 days ago
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WELL THAT SETTLES IT BOB NEWHART NANDERMO ENDING I’M GONNA EAT MY WAY TO THE MOLTEN CORE OF THE EARTH
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deliriousblue · 2 months ago
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they grow up so fast,,
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whatever-letmebe · 1 month ago
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I just spent a solid thirty minutes trying to write a post about the conversation Shaopeng had with his parents in the hospital room and how it really touched me but it would take at least 3000 words to express all my thoughts and I am tired. What I want to do is show you how disabled children are encouraged to always work hard and do better and master new skills in various therapies (occupational therapy, speech and langage therapy etc.) and praised when they do well. and then we can look at each other in understanding because of course Shaopeng internalized all that pressure to be strong and of course he felt like he had to compensate for his deafness instead of asking hearing people to accommodate him and of course he learned that acting like he doesn't struggle is how he can make his mother happy. If you've been that kid or worked with that kid, you get what I'm talking about.
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I grew up knowing the Star Wars OT storyline like the back of my hand, understanding that the Jedi were the heroes. Then, the prequels were released when I was a teenager. Suddenly people didn't like Yoda or even Obi Wan anymore (weird, I know, but I distinctly remember a bunch of Kenobi criticism after RotS released), people didn't like relatively newly established Jedi like Mace Windu, and over the years the anti-Jedi sentiment seems to have grown stronger. I've come across so much talk about how the Jedi shouldn't have participated in the Clone Wars and that they are responsible for their own downfall, with some even going so far as to say the Jedi needed to be wiped out for the Force to be in balance.
While I do agree that the prequels seem to hint at the Jedi Order at large having fallen into a state of satisfied apathy which made it easier for Palpatine to rise to power, I'm not convinced it's the only reason why Palpatine succeeded; and I strongly disagree with the notions that the Jedi shouldn't have participated in the Clone Wars and that they deserved to be wiped out for supposedly straying from their standards to do so.
Let's look at the Clone Wars from the Jedi perspective:
The galaxy is generally governed by the Galactic Republic.
The Jedi (who are few enough in number that it's statistically probable the vast majority of planets and people never saw a Jedi, and a mere 20 years later Han Solo laughs them off as a "hokey religion") operate under the purview of the Republic and have done so for hundreds of years.
There are suddenly some concerning signs that a Sith Lord has risen - two of them, actually, if Yoda's knowledge of how the Sith operate is correct.
A few years later, the Republic has started to squabble with systems breaking away, and it turns out Dooku is a Sith Lord and is leading the opposing side.
A clone army has already been commissioned by a Jedi long since dead. Uhhh... Weird and a little too convenient, but okay?
In light of all this... We seriously expect the Jedi to, what, sit the war out? That would be the epitome of the very apathy we accuse them of. The war is going to happen with or without them. Dooku was already planning to strike. Opposing the war by refusing to participate, OR by straight up going rogue, would only add to the chaos and allow Dooku more leeway to act. Besides, the Jedi need to stop the known Sith - meaning, they need to stop Dooku.
As an aside: other stories during the Clone Wars show us the dangers of extreme pacifism. The very first season of TCW gives us the story of the Lurmen and very clearly draws a distinction between pacifism as a general rule for peace, versus the brand of pacifism that excludes even the possibility of self-defense. And as far as the Jedi are aware, the Republic IS defending itself. The CIS hadn't been content with simply withdrawing from the Republic in protest; again, Dooku had already been planning an attack and then made the first strike.
So again I ask: what were the Jedi to do instead of fighting to defend the Republic? For all the Republic's flaws, it IS a better system of governance than anything a Sith Lord has planned. Yoda did mourn their involvement in the war especially as it drags on, but that's largely because he knew there was more to the war than he could see, there was something he was missing. The Jedi were acting in the best way they knew how, even if they were acting rather blindly given the Dark Side clouding the Force.
And make no mistake: Palpatine orchestrated things to where the Jedi literally COULD NOT WIN.
If they did act, war would commence.
If they didn't act, war would still commence.
If they opposed the Republic, they'd be taking their last fingers off the steering wheel and opening themselves up to all manner of accusations and scrutiny. Remember, Palpatine had already been Chancellor for a decade before the Clone Wars started. Do we really think he would have let the Jedi NOT fight in the war? The GAR was already created for the Republic (not the Jedi); the clones already had the inhibitor chips implanted.
If they went rogue and went after the Sith Lord Dooku themselves without Republic approval, it's pretty much guaranteed they'd be facing the consequences of charges of war-mongering and assassination and the like.
And so they participated in the war and Palpatine kept getting power for himself because the Senate said he could, and the Jedi couldn't do anything about it because they KNEW it would all go south if they tried to go against the will of the people and take matters into their own hands... And then when they DO try to overthrow Palpatine and restore order to the Senate, oh look, "it's treason then."
The Jedi lost the moment Palpatine became Chancellor. But hey, maybe if they had paid more attention, they could have realized Palpatine was a Sith much sooner and offed him the moment that Naboo senator stepped foot in the Senate (because that is the Jedi way, right?), so I guess it's still all the Jedi's fault (/s).
Basically: the Jedi were ALWAYS the heroes, doing the best they could even in an absolutely impossible situation like the Clone Wars with a diabolical mastermind like Palpatine pulling all the strings. If they had chosen not to fight and had elected to go the authoritarian and/or vigilante route, Palpatine still would have been in charge and still would have been pulling all the strings.
Are the Jedi infallible? Of course not. Did they make a ton of mistakes? Yes. But at the end of the day, the vast majority of them were doing the best they could to adhere to the Light Side of the Force, even in the midst of a horrible galactic war, and THAT is what makes them heroes, THAT is what makes them the "good guys," THAT is what is necessary to keep balance against the evil that is the Dark Side.
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jaycecore · 1 month ago
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important question that’s been eating at me. assuming cait would be the maid of honor, who would be the best man at jayvik’s wedding?
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dollfaceksj · 1 year ago
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I DO LOVE THE ANGST!! I think the right amount if perfect!!
Can #8 be Jungkook genuinely realizing he was rude and knocked down a few pegs yunno?
I seriously want to Make HIM the one wrapped around her little finger. Yunno? She fell first but he fell harder? Cuz he’s so goddamn cocky and big headed 🤪🤪🤪 love your Drabble series!
lets see wot i can do 😁😁
warnings: angst (mentions of sa) …sorry for putting y’all thru that! don’t hunt me down with fire torches and pitch forks for the ending!!!! can’t wait to see how it goes!!
taste of a poison paradise | jjk (m) #8
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it’s been a few days since the clubbing incident and you haven’t been responding to anyone
you’d gotten a text from an unknown number that introduced themselves as yoongi and said that he got your number from taehyung to ask where you were
and why you had left so suddenly
you’ve been in bed all weekend, looking a mess
you weren’t responding to anyone and tae had started begging to just let him know that you were safe
and you texted him that you were home and just wanted to be alone
and now you’re by yourself
why
and how
did you ever let that punk get to you like this
get serious!!!
his words should mean nothing to you!!!
and you put him in his place!!
you definitely made your feelings towards him CLEAR
but you’ll also never forget the way he looked at you
instant regret settled on his features
toward the end of your harsh rant, his teeth were anxiously nibbling in his bottom lip you were surprised he didn’t end up bleeding
seeing him so stressed and anxious was so different to his usual stoic and cocky self
not to mention–
knock knock knock knock knock
who the fawk is knocking at your door at 9pm on a sunday
man
what’s going on
you slowly get up and make your way to your front door, cracking it open and peeking with one eye
“you had me worried, y/n.” taehyung’s voice is lathered in genuineness
you sigh and open the door for him, allowing him to pull you into a tight hug
“what happened? i assumed the worst happened to you in that club. one minute you were dancing with yoongi and then you were gone and i don’t hear from you at all.”
he sways with you from left to right, soothingly rubbing your back
you blink back your tears and just inhale his familiar scent
he smells like musk and cookies
you love his scent
:(
“you didn’t get–” he pauses, “like no one tried to–” he pauses again, “like did someone–”
huh
oh
okay
you realize he’s trying to ask you if you’d gotten sexually harassed or assaulted
“no, tae. nothing of the sort.” you pull back and look up at him, rubbing his chest
he visibly relaxes and brings his hand up to your face, rubbing out the scrunch between your brows
“then what happened, babe?”
you quietly sigh and shake your head in dismissal. “nothing. i felt sick. went home. been in bed for 2 days.”
“but why didn’t you answer my texts? or yoongi’s? we were seriously worried, y/n.”
sigh
“i’m sorry.” you flick his forehead and it allows you to escape his embrace
he follows you to your living room and jumps onto your couch
“don’t jump on my furniture!!!!”
he ignores you and reaches for your remote before turning the tv on.
“you got any snacks?” he asks you, feet up on the table
annoying little fuck
you kick his feet off your table. “not for you.”
he whines loudly but then sits up right and glances at you. “so, we wanna go on a camping trip and we’re wondering… if you’d wanna join?”
you look at him as you sit down next to him, snatching the remote out of his hand. “and who is we?”
he chuckles, “i don’t have a whole lot of friends, y/n.”
“taehyung, you literally say ‘hey, what’s up’ about 30 times a minute when we’re walking on campus.”
“acquaintances aren’t friends!”
well, he’s right
hmm
well
but … he is tae’s friend
“so, your usual friend group?”
“yep.”
ughhh you want to ask him directly
“i’d be the only woman there?”
he shrugs his shoulders. “does that bother you? if it does, you can ask one of your own friends to tag along. like eunbi.”
record scratch
should you ask eunbi?
the chance of that man [horror music] coming with you is low, he’s a homebody
and you don’t wanna ask tae if he’s coming because that would be weird
he’d ask you why you’re interested in that FUCKBOY joining you or not
it’s best not to ask eunbi at all
just to avoid drama
right?
“when do y’all wanna go?”
he looks like he’s contemplating something for a moment before responding with, “next week friday right after class since everyone only has morning classes.”
okay makes sense
“okay and how do y’all wanna go?”
all the others have graduated but most of you don’t have vehicles
“by train. seokjin is the only one that’ll go by car because he actually has one. and then we’ll have a car there for if we need to buy something or for emergencies.”
oh
they’ve thought this through
hm
“i hate bugs, though.”
he chuckles, “i will protect you.”
“make that yoongi and we have a deal.”
he laughs loudly, “okay then, yoongi will protect you.”
“will i be sharing my tent with him?” you quip while batting your eyelashes at him innocently
“calm it down, you minx.”
you both laugh for a few more moments, talking more about the place and camping itself
“so, you in?” tae asks with all the stars present in his eyes
how can you say no to that?
hmmm
you could use some time to relax
“alright, sure.”
and that’s how you find yourself fidgeting with the handle of your suitcase that next friday
standing in front of the train
taehyung, yoongi, jimin and hoseok are loading their suitcases onto the train
2 female friends of hoseok and taehyung have joined, by the names of hyunjoo and isabella
seeing another foreigner like isabella here already made it easy to get along with her
hyunjoo is also really sweet but she’s rather quiet
joon joined seokjin in the car so he didn’t have to drive that long on his own
you’ve got the biggest suitcase of everyone so you’re being helped last
jerks.
the guys are busy with hyunjoo and isabella’s baggage now
you rub your face, collecting some of the sweat that had started forming on your skin
you didn’t think it was going to be this hot tbh?
hoseok said something about there being like a bathhouse 20 mins away from where you will be camping so
sweat shouldn’t be that big of a problem, you’ll just make sure to visit that bathhouse daily
you also brought like extra sleeping bags because you wanna bury yourself basically
you know you’ll be freezing at night like always
what else did you pack?
just as you mindlessly reach for your suitcase again, you’re met with air
your hand continues to grab at air
until you realize
your suitcase is gone
wait
YOUR SUITCASE IS GONE
WHAT THE HELL
you turn around and see someone with your suitcase in hand
but
tae,, yoongi, jimin and hoseok are … all the way over there?
oh
ah
right
okay
your penny has just dropped and so did your heart. STRAIGHT into your ass.
why
is
he
here
???
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you reach for the handle of your suitcase to snatch it out of his grasp
but he doesn’t let you as he pulls it out of your reach
“just let me help you.” jungkook’s voice reaches your ears but he doesn’t even look at you as he continues to carry your suitcase and loading it into the train
he sounds
different
that usual confidence and arrogance he carries himself with is gone
it’s kinda like the same jungkook you’ve always known and not the jungkook you’ve had the displeasure of interacting with these past few weeks
is this his way of being apologetic?
narcissism at it’s finest
everyone starts filing into the train but yoongi is waiting by the door
you walk up to him and he motions for you to get in first
you sigh quietly and smile at him as you walk onto the train
he follows right behind you and places his hand on your back as you walk further into the train
you see jungkook all the way at the front, all the way at the left against the window, wearing his headset but the only two seats that are free are the ones .. right … in front of him
you’ve pretended jk isn’t here pretty well until you make it all the way to your seat and make eye contact with him
he glances at you, teeth sunk into his bottom lip
just as he parts his lips to say something to you
you take your seat right in front of him and yoongi sits down right next to you, directly facing jungkook
ur right across from him
like… your feet and knees are almost touching each other
the look on jungkook’s face had softened for that split second with an apologetic glint in his eyes
but ur not gonna let him mess with your head, not on this 3 hour trip
yoongi leans over to you and whispers these next few words into your ears, “i haven’t seen you since that club, how you been?”
your shoulder gently jerks at his breath hitting your neck and yoongi chuckles at that
you can’t help it
you try not to you really try not to
you glance at jungkook and he’s staring straight at you
the way he’s staring straight at you, teeth anxiously nibbling and picking at his lip rings, showers your entire body in lava
you quickly avert your gaze and you turn your head to say, “i just felt sick. must’ve been the alcohol,” to yoongi
he nods and pulls out his phone. he connects his earbuds to it and offers you one of the earbuds
omg
wait why is this so cute
you feel like ur back in high school
a small smile creeps on your lips as you accept it and put it into your own ear
you notice jungkook’s leg bouncing up and down in anxiety
you drop your head onto yoongi’s shoulder and throw your leg over the other before closing your eyes
just act like he’s not right in front of you
you’re just here with friends
and your head is on yoongi’s shoulder
plus he’s sharing his music with you!!!
that’s a big thing!!!!!!!!
and you allow yourself to zone out <3
you stir and realize you’re being woken up by a soft hand shaking your knee
you hear your name quietly being called
you open your eyes and see big black eyes staring down at you
“we’re here.” jungkook’s soft voice reaches you like liquid gold being ladled into your ears by angels
you blink a couple times and realize you’re still wearing yoongi’s earbud
you look to your side and notice yoongi is gone
“he went to the restroom,” jungkook replies quietly
you don’t respond as you collect yourself and slowly gather your stuff
jungkook quietly does the same but is constantly glancing at you
when you move to step out of the seating area, he gently taps your shoulder
you look over your shoulder at him, still not a single word on your lips for him
“can we talk?” he asks quietly, dropping his hand after catching your attention
uh uhh.. ur not gonna let him ruin your trip
you are NOT
you cried for 2 days in your fucking bed over a geeky junior. ur never allowing that again
“what is there left to talk about?” the words leave you in a harsh tone and if anyone was around that didn’t know the situation, they’d paint you out as the villain
but they don’t get it
they don’t know what it was like when he tore you down
“i think we should talk about the misunderstand–”
“misunderstanding?” you echo in disbelief before letting out a humorless chuckle.
you continue, “there is no misunderstanding, jungkook. i think i made myself pretty fucking clear that night. and so did you.”
he doesn’t give up, though. “please?”
you sigh quietly and glance up at him, all the painful words he said to you still clouding your mind
attention-seeking
tryhard
no one likes that about you
does he even deserve to talk it out?
to be continued
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Clover's personality/mbti pt.2
PLEASE REBLOG IF YOU CAN (THIS AND MY PREVIOUS TWO BLOGS ABOUT CLOVER'S PERSONALITY), I WOULD LOVE MORE PEOPLE TO SEE MY UTY MBTI SERIES (TYSM)
When I said Clover has a more of a subjective than an objective train of thought, I also meant this: stealing money and stealing food is not OK in general but it is OK to them. They sure listen to themselves ↓
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They have more of a creative than a mechanical mind (but in order to deal with a lot of the situations they were in, they had to use their head to survive), look at these ↓
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they literally linked this situation with a saying (this is so something an intuitive like myself would do)
Clover's thinking function was more prominent in the vengeance route; their thinking is activated to the maximum here instead of empathy, but it's still subjective since they still have that Fi paired up with Te (see my last post). The sad thing about genocide is how Clover loses absolutely everything that made them who they are in pacifist:
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empathy gone
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warmth gone (even Flowey feels their heart growing colder)
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naivety gone
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creativity gone
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humor gone
Clover has always been kind, so I don't think their auxiliary is Fe. That isn't what needs to develop, or the weakest part about their way of thinking, the one that will shape them into who they were always meant to be.
Because they only felt kindness towards their own race, that's the problem. Clover was judgmental and thought they were doing the right thing, completely disregarding the monsters' side of the situation. Vengenace Clover is the other side of pacifist Clover's coin. This is what I mean ↓
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this type of capable of so much kindness but at the same time, if unhealthy, the effect is the complete opposite
That means the Clover in genocide IS the same Clover, but who made difference subjective choices. Whose justice for the children they didn't even know (they, once again, subjectively decided that the children had been innocent, as Martlet pointed out too) was so strong that they refused to see the truth: how both species struggled in this war.
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we can see Clover is still "idealistic" but tunnel visioned
"Normal" Clover is open minded, non judgemental and accepting of differences. They can put themselves in others shoes, but in genocide they're the opposite because they gave in to their "dark side" The reason I said they're the same Clover, is that, when I looked at the mbti people gave them, I saw this ↓
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I knew right away it can't be right that the same character is a different type when they're at their best and worst. It had to mean that they're neither of the two types people thought
Clover had been introduced to a lot of different problems they had to constantly deal with and get out of the "comfort zone" that are the Ruins. Toriel undoubtedly told them about the kids, and then Clover decided to stay safe rather than jump into adventure. That's what got me thinking: "Their reason for being here has to do with morality: it is Clover who thinks how it's not right for no one to go look for the children." It's more their own values of what's right, than their own truth. They follow the heart more than the head (although the Te becomes developed as the adventure unfolds and they are faced with difficulties), even in geno (see the previous two posts for more about this point)
To learn to solve real world problems using logic, to step up and take charge, "defuse situations" and "mend relationships" by using both thinking and feeling, to become a leader and a hero, that's Clover's end goal.
Look at Clover from their first run (being protected all their life) and Clover from their 100th+ (faces challenges bravely and willingly dies a hero)
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From a scared kid to a deputy to a sheriff to a hero.
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frankensteined · 3 months ago
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character designs of all time pt2
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sallysbutter · 6 months ago
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literally begging amc to contract some fans to make decent merch, they're killing us with this mess
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