#iris west hater

[rosescxrner]

potential spoilers; the flash

Maturing is realising that Eddie Thawne was nothing more than the pretty boy detective who fell in love with his partner's daughter. Maturing is realising that Linda Park was being gaslit into thinking her boyfriend was in love with someone just to keep her away from him. Maturing is realising Barry Allen was just trying to get over an unrequited love and deserved to be happy with someone that could actually admit they loved him. Maturing is realising that Iris West is a bit manipulative and should not have been Barry Allen's endgame.

[the1entirecircus]

Reasons for why I dislike the Flash (2014-2023)

Alright, so this is going to be very similar to a previous post I made about The Dark Knight Trilogy. I'm going to rant about this topic in several sections in a non-organized way because this is my blog and I get to choose what I'm dislike. Also, please don't hate me for any of what I'm about to say. I have a right to my opinion and if you actually like the Flash tv show, good for you! I just don't like it. I used to, but then I read Joshua Williamson's Flash run and I realized Grant Gustin's Barry is nothing like how he's supposed to be.

Also, I will referencing seasons 1-6 as I have not watched seasons 7-9 mostly because I couldn't care less about them at that point and the show wasn't how it used to be.

Enjoy my whining!

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The Problem with Grant's Barry Allen

There have been 3 live action Barry Allens. The first being John Wesley Shipp, the second being Grant Gustin, and the third being the infamous Ezra Miller. Surprisingly, I consider Ezra being the second best at playing Barry Allen. At least in their Flash movie, their appearances in both Justice Leagues are basically Barry's awkwardness multiplied by Wally West's everything. Oh, Flash Fact: whenever Barry gets an adaptation outside of his main comic run, he has most if not all of Wally West's personality. But Grant? Grant has some things in common with Comic Barry and Comic Wally in terms of personality, but other than that, he's just a crummy Spider-Man with a team shouting in his ears.

Barry is meant to be the independent police scientist who seems like a boring nerd at first until he changes into the Flash, the light-hearted hero who is clever enough to not just use his super speed for more than running. Grant's Barry Allen isn't independent, he relies on the help of others to think of creative ways to use his speed. Comic Barry built the cosmic treadmill along with other gadgetry, TV Barry does some of the work but team flash builds most of the devices Barry uses. Its akin to how most haters of MCU Spider-Man perceive Tom Holland's version of the character. Let him make his own shit.

The other part of Grant's Flash that makes him like Spider-Man is the love interests. Barry has only been with a hand full of people in comics, and Iris is the one he's been with for the longest. Sure, Patty Spivot dated Flash, there was also Jessica Cruz, Meena Dhawan, but most of the context behind those relationships happened in summary or while the show was running. And in the show...he still doesn't date that many people in the show. But my point is the show builds up to the relationship. Barry and Iris were already dating in the silver age comics when he was introduced. Barry did not need to spend 2-ish seasons for him to date and get engaged to Iris.

And just to add to the spider-man parallel. You know who else had a love interest that was a childhood crush? Peter Parker with Mary Jane Watson. At least it didn't get as weird as WestAllen did in the show.

Another thing to note is that Grant was not a good cast to play Barry Allen. Barry got his powers at a significantly older age than he did in the show. And I know thats alluded to, but it doesn't help.

One more thing: Barry keeps his life as the flash very separate from his civillian life.

The Other Guys, Gals, and other pals!

There is no "Team Flash" in the comics. Team Flash is used in the show to provide exposition that Barry could give if he were being independent but he isn't. It is also of note that almost none of these characters come from the Flash comics. Vibe debuted in a 1982 Justice League comic. Killer Frost is an enemy of Firestorm. And Harrison Wells doesn't even exist in the comics. STAR Labs isn't even a base of operation for Barry, thats where Superman goes for the alien stuff

If there were an actual team flash and a base of operations he had, it would be at the CCPD with his coworkers that got introduced later on like Forest.

WestAllen...why...why is it borderline incest?

Simply put, Barry and Iris are borderline step-siblings. They grew up together in the same house, Joe is like a dad to him, they may have accidentally shared a toothbrush (sibling canon event). It is so fucking weird. Not the first time that WestAllen has just been uncomfortable. I've pointed that in the old tv show and in the DCEU, Barry's relationship with Iris is kinda weird. But the tv show just makes it uncomfortable. The whole reason why its borderline is because Joe never adopted Barry, he was only his care-taker

The West Family in general

Now, I would like to state I do not have a problem with the Wests being black. Would I prefer Iris and Wally to look like themselves? Absolutely, but that isn't a problem to me. What is a problem is everything else. Joe West does not exist in the comics, Wally isn't Iris' brother, he's her nephew, and Iris and Barry's kids are the tornado twins, Don and Dawn Allen not Bart and Nora West-Allen. Speaking of which, Bart Allen and Nora Allen are supposed to be the grandchildren of Iris West. And Nora's actual name is Jenni Ognats, the showrunners just gave Nora the name of XS because of her being from the future.

In the comics, Iris' adopted dad is either Ira West, a scientist who helped the Flash or William West, an abusive drunk. Her real father's name is Eric Russel. None of them to my knowledge were cops or held the alias of Joe.

Iris' brothers are Rudolph "Rudy" West and Daniel West. She did have a sister before Flashpoint named Charlotte. Rudolph is the real father of the first Wally West we all came to know and love but technically was previously the father to the second before that got retconned into Daniel West being the real father. All of this is to say, Iris had more than one sibling.

Iris is also from the future. Although this was a retcon about her death at the hands of Eobard Thawne, she was sent to the past for some reason and when she "died", she was saved by being brought back to the future. Adding this part of her would have made Iris a little more unique compared to characters such as Lois Lane.

Wally's conundrom

And then there's Wally...poor Wally. He never stood a chance in this adaptation of the Flash. Because the New 52 had already gone on for 3 years as of the Flash tv show's airing, Wally West II had already been reintroduced as a black teen being taken care of by his aunt, Iris West. And because Iris had no siblings seen in the show's flashbacks to her and Barry's childhood, it was clear that Rudy wasn't going to appear. So, Wally was made into Iris's brother, and his personality doesn't really reflect how he is in the comics. And I mean both versions of Wally as Tv Wally only has one thing in common with both of them: cars and mechanics.

Tv Wally's personality, if memory serves correct is more in line with Wally West II rather than the first Wally as he has a similar accusatory and emotional attitude. But Tv Wally has plot beats similar to that of the first Wally as he briefly took up the mantle of the Flash. But then again, later on, tv Wally has the unique trait of being more like speed force guru, Max Mercury, as he gains more knowledge over the speed force than Barry does. So Tv Wally is more different than either version of comic Wally.

And then there's show Wally's origin...which I don't remember at all. After a quick search on the wiki page, his origin is reminiscent of how Wally II gets his powers via an alternate history having those powers already, but is still completely different. Flashpoint TV Wally gets powers by having lightning strike him near a nitro engine. That part of his origin is also similar to comic Wally's origin of being struck by lightning and thrown into chemicals. But its also just completely different as main timeline tv Wally gets his speed force connection back via Philosopher stone.

This time, I'm not as upset with Wally being adapted as with the others as Wally had no chance of being adapted thanks to the mess he was in at the time in the comics.

Metahumans, Metahumans from another Earth, Bus Metas? Metatech???

In the comics, Metahumans exist, not through dark matter, but through the metagene. The metagene activates when a person undergoes extreme amounts of stress causing their powers to awaken. Now i assume this wasn't implemented because the x-gene from Marvel comics and because they wanted to find some way of containing all of the metahumans to central city. But that just leads to more problems that I don't like.

For example: some of the Rogues such as Weather Wizard, who was never even a metahuman even when the other rogues got powers (if my memory serves correctly of course).

Fastest man alive?

Its almost comedic at this point, but for the first three seasons (and I assume the same thing happened when Reverse Flash and Godspeed were the main villains of the show again), Barry had to fight three speedsters who were faster than him. One of which was his own self. But heres the thing: what makes Flash unique is that he doesn't just use his speed for running but for doing everything else faster. Stripping it all down to repetitive chase sequences undermines that. And repeating the same type of villain for three seasons gets monotonous pretty quickly (pun unintended).

(Underutilized) Rogues Gallery

Within the series, the number of Flash's villains that are used are notable, but there are some that are just not his villains to begin with. For example: Multiplex. The guy who could split his body to create multiples of himself. Yeah, he's a Firestorm villain. In season 2, there was Atom Smasher, who IS a Flash villain who would later go by Professor Fallout, but the version of Atom Smasher they used was modeled after the hero version of the character. There's also characters such as King Shark, Simon Stagg, General Eiling, Clock King, Everyman, and The Mist that don't belong in the Flash and thats just in season 1.

Flash has more enemies than just the rogues, and even then, the showrunner could have utilized more than just one episode with the Rogues in it! Flash's main arch villains are usually Captain Cold, Gorilla Grodd, and Reverse Flash. Why does only one of them get the spotlight half of the time? Sure, Grodd was made of CGI, but heres the thing, he had a human form in the comics back in the silver age.

The (Underutilized) Rogues

Having one episode dedicated to a Rogue is not fun. It especially isn't fun when the entire team isn't together. The Rogues usually consist of Captain Cold, Heatwave, Weather Wizard, the Trickster, Captain Boomerang, Golden Glider, Mirror Master, and maybe one or two more or less. From what I remember, not a single episode about the Rogues featured more than one rogue.

Weather Wizard only gets a handful of episodes. Captain Boomerang is mischaracterized as this "cool" (I'd say forgetable) bounty hunter or whatever from australia when in truth, he's a loud mouth cheapskate and a loser. Golden Glider also gets two-ish episodes, and she isn't even done justice with her abilities? Wheres the ice skates? Wheres the gliding? Why does she have a hot glue gun that shoots gold!? Captain Cold and Heatwave kinda got screwed over by being thrown into having redemption arcs in Legends of Tomorrow (Although I will say, I do love their characterizations in both shows. Especially when Cold came back with the "Legion" of Doom).

Crisis on Infinite Earths

You mean to tell me that something that was set up for several seasons was wasted on a different Flash? What the hell were the writers smoking?

Flashpoint

Now I know that the tv show sort of fixed this with the Armageddon event, but Flashpoint should have been its own event and not just have one episode in season 3. Because Flashpoint affected DC tremendously, creating the New 52, taking away so many beloved characters and rewriting some of them to be edgy as hell. And don't get me started on what they did to Lobo.

Adapting the source material

Barry had plenty of unique adventures that dove into sci-fi elements. Usually these elements were about alternate dimensions, sentient cloud creatures, another world deep beneath the world's crust. And while we don't get to see that stuff as much anymore with Barry's current runs, it is what made Barry's adventures unique compared to other heroes. And in the show, while Barry does go to alternate timelines, explore some sci-fi concepts, they're more tied to the villain of the week or the villain of the series. Comic Barry would often just stumble across these, and if they were the villain of the week, at least they did something interesting with the concept.

Illegally Brunette

This is just a nitpick, but why are the characters who were blonde/ginger in comics are either brunette or black haired? Are you trying to else us something CW Flash showrunners? Are you trying to tell me and the audience that blonde or gingers don't exist? Because you're right with the gingers, not with the blondes. People with golden hair exist too y'know! (I say as I stroke my brown hair).

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Thank you for reading my nitpicking and whining. If theres anything I got wrong, please let me know. It has been a while since I've seen the Flash tv show and I'm not watching that shit again, so some notes could help. And if I got anything from the comics wrong, again, notes would help.

The entire last section is mostly a joke. I know there are multiple blonde-haired people that exist in the show, its just Barry is blonde in the comics, and we've all heard the complaints over Iris not having red hair (which by the way, wasn't even a thing until later. She's brunette you guys, c'mon).

If you're offended by my immense hatred for the show's faults, tough luck. I'm allowed to have an opinion over this.

I may update this later with more things I dislike about the show if I remember to.

[zeroducks-2]

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anon I'm sorry I don't see the red heart in the list D: Maybe I'm blind. I'm gonna have to skip it.

💛: What is a popular ship you just can't get behind, and why?

Since I already talked about Dickbabs I'm gonna go with DickTim. I do see where it comes from, but it's one of those rare cases where I prefer their relationship to be a platonic friendship with familial feelings rather than romantic and/or sexual. ALSO THEY ARE BOTH BOTTOMS AHEM

💚: What does everyone else get wrong about your favorite character?

"Eobard Thawne is Barry Allen's Number One Hater and the pettiest person to have ever lived!" makes me wonder if ppl have actually read the same comics as me.

🖤: Which character is not as morally good as everyone else seems to think?

I've mentioned Bruce, now I'll raise you Alfred Pennyworth, Bruce Wayne's Number One Enabler and most dryass cunt you can meet in the DC character ensemble, but somehow gets treated like the perfect sweet and affectionate granpa you could ever wish for.

❤: Which character do you think is the most egregiously mischaracterized by the fandom?

There isn't just one but the first that comes to mind is Wally West. Wally has a very dark side which is a delight to explore, especially as it comes out mostly when he's around Barry, but almost everyone seems hell bent on pretending that he's some sort of perfect baby who could never do wrong.

🏳️‍🌈: Which character who is commonly headcanoned as queer doesn't seem queer to you?

Unfortunately I have this condition which is called "Everyone is queer because I said so", so it's really hard to answer this question. I guess I've seen people arguing that Iris is actually a lesbian and Barry is her beard, but while I'm not a fan of modern Newsflash, I really don't think Iris likes women, that is not the point of their problem. But I don't think this could be considered an unpopular opinion anyway.

ask game here

[wisconsin2002]

It's been two seasons now.

Yep I still don't understand the point of her character at all.

Honestly the more time goes by the more I'm starting to realise Zoe is the Iris West of miraculous. A character introduced into the the story that you can just tell from the get go that the writers had no idea wtf to do with her.

Which sucks because unlike some people. I actually think Zoe was a great character to introduce into miraculous. The opposite of chloe and she's got her own story to tell. The platonic chemistry she creates with Plagg as well is so sweet and great.

(Hot take: Honestly they should have just let Zoe keep Plagg for a bit longer because I can't express how sick and tired I am of fucking Adrien and Marinette giving up their miraculous when they feel defeated. It was fine in the New York special but it quickly overstayed it's welcome and it holds no sentimental value at all to me anymore cause I know this shows writing and I know they will get it back in the same episode or an episode later. 😮‍💨 So if Zoe actually has chemistry and wants to fight side by side with Plagg and Scarabella to feel safe and wanted. MOTHERFUCKER LET HER! Let her do different shit and explore more with that! God knows the actual héros will just abandone their responsibility anyway and make their Kwamis hit the dusty trail to find a new holder all because of their fucking telenovela dramatic romantic depression or whatever the fuck.

(I cannot be bothered with the way the show is acting like Marinette and Adrien were always so in love with eachother even tho Adrien didn't feel that way about Marinette until season five. THE DAMN SEASON WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW! He literally simps so hard for ladybug in season 4 and not once had any romantic feelings for Marinette in the entirety of 4 seasons and two specials! But nah now he wants Marinette all of a sudden so badly. This is good development to people? Are you shitting me?💀

"she's just a friend", "She's just a friend", "She's just a friend", "she's just a friend" "she's just a friend", "I like you now😍"

😮‍💨Anyways

Just allow Zoe to be the badass for a while. Going back to what I was saying. )

Her romantic feelings on Marinette, she's Chloé's sister who still loves and believes in Chloe despite their differences. I mean dude the possibilities are endless.

But no instead they sideline her in her own focus episodes for no reason or only bring her out to be Visperia and barely do jackshit in the background.

God knows what happened to this. (The missed potential here will always annoy me so much.) This could have brought Chloe back to the light and made Zoe a much more interesting character to connect with at the same time. Chloe Exploring a secret nice bond with her sister to give her character layers (AGAIN) while still being consistent with her hatred for Ladybug after the events of seasons 3 while Zoe starts to notice Chloe's obsessiveness with Ladybug and what that's turning her sister into and that causes some distance between her and Zoe which starts to make Chloe truly think and realize how much more important Zoe is to her than the grudge she holds against ladybug that has only dragged her down deeper and made her lose herself and those close to her.

(put me in the writers room bro I gotchu😎)

Instead they just make her another Chloe hater cause god knows we haven't had enough of those characters already.

Anyways what else? Oh yeah.

She's lesbian.

Cool. We... gonna... do anything.. with that.. or?

Nah? We're just going toss it in with no payoff? Alrighty.

Don't get me wrong. I knew Zoe and Marinette were never going to be a thing. I never expected that at all. But I did expect for us to atleast explore something with Zoe's sexuality instead of just dropping it on her like a dead gold fish in a tank as the fish sinks to the bottom of the tank cause we didn't feed it and did fuck all with it. Basically got the Julerose treatment. Like every other lgbtq+ MLB character who's not a milf or over the age of 30.

You know what? Chloe and Zoe actually do have something in common.

They're both characters with so many interesting pathways to be explored and taken in but the writers said "fuck that" and took them fucking knowhere even remotely interesting or memorable.

In conclusion. Zoe deserved better. She is a character that could have worked if the people behind this fucking show cared to make anything work. But no. Characters continue to be assassinated and/or sidelined and written out of the story.

But that's okay cause Marinette and Adrien go Smooch Smooch this season😘 and nothing else matters. Fuck the characters, fuck actual development with payoff. Nope. Kissy kissy and hand holding is all that matters.

[woonova]

Iris West hater 4 life 🔥🔥💯

[tanabeth]

honestly my playlist is slightly weird genre wise. No specific genre qualifications. The main qualifications (with three exceptions) are that they go hard, fit the theme, and fit the vibes (theme and vibes are very different. 33 West and The Killers (killers my beloved <3) both have songs that fit vibe-wise, but don’t fit the theme for one reason or another.

anyway here are some songs/bands/artists that, although good on their own, are a bit odd on the same playlist (the three exceptions I mentioned are bolded:)

A club edit of an Ed Sheeran song (specifically a club edit cause the song was a must but I’m not a huge fan of his. Not a hater either he’s just ok.)

Dropkick Murphy’s (my dad introduced me to them and one song. Man. Dang. That song.)

Slipknot and TWO Mother Mother songs (these two I think are vaugely similar to both eachother and Broken Iris, idk I don’t know shit about genres, hence why they were put together.)

A specific version of some random Italian opera song (I’m not even a fan of opera in general. As of now my bio says “unhealthy commitment to the bit” or something of that nature. This is a incredibly morbid/unfortunate example of that. If I could I would make it so this song is on the playlist but it’s not listed so if someone goes through the songs and is like “nice” and play it and this song comes up they’ll just go “….0-0 :////“ I crave violence. Iykyk)

Madonna? (Honestly I don’t know much about her but True Blue fit so…)

ABBA (abba my beloved <333)

Broken by lovelytheband (I specified broken cause it has this weird form of “not reallt a popular song when I was kid but I associated it with my childhood cause my parents like it” nostalgia that is it’s own genre of songs that exists to me and only me and maybe my brother so…)

This Side of Paradise by Coyote Theory (specified this side of paradise cause it’s well known and I feel people would be more likely to recognize it than the band itself)

A Sixties Love song that induces mild impatience in me? (Also Mouse Rat, thst parks and rec band, did a cover of it, which is neat)

How to save a life by The Fray (again, like Broken, i consider this song part of a genre I made up that’s just “songs that give the same energy to me and me alone cause my parents liked them”)

some other songs but I’m lazy.

smash or pass (but for keeping a song on a playlist

I’m making a playlist (what’s it based off of? Don’t worry about it) but I’m bad at making decisions. I’m not sure if I should keep A New Hope by Broken Iris. Cause it goes hard and fits but also can be repetitive and also somewhat impatience inducing to an annoying extent. Depends on my mood So you, yes you dear viewer, can decide wether or not this song slaps.

Feel free to listen to the full thing before voting

[notyetbulletproof]

Honestly I was full on expecting them to get Bart to sing the Westallen song. Then Jordan Fisher opens his beautiful mouth and reminds us he’s practically perfect in every way and sings that???

Also why they didn’t do this part of the song I will never understand. Criminal! Honestly release the whole clip so we can see Jordan sing the whole song please.

Here it is:

Walk straight into the fire

I'd bet anything on my love

We'll be lost in time, love

…

You can't count on timing

Or just wait and see

Also, side note—-singing a song about settling down and making the moment last with the person you love is so perfect for Westallen? Especially followed by Barry bringing Iris with him into Flashtime (the only non speedster he can do this with because he is so deeply in love with her and she’s his lightning rod)?? “I want this moment to last forever”!!

The symbolism of “waiting for the other person” for “settling” in a relationship between a speedster (always in movement) and his lightning rod (his tether and support), of Barry who is always running but is also always running home to Iris. The symbolism of being at “a state of rest” and finding peace is just awesome and I am here for it.

Thanks Bart and thanks Eric for making sure we didn’t miss out on Jordan just being his usual epic self.

[zayray030]

I was watching a clip on YouTube for when Iris confronts Barry about being the flash and I saw a lot of hate comments towards her so I just need to make it clear on why Iris should have been told first.

This girl was the first and only person to believe him when he said that his dad hadn't killed his mom.

This girl stuck with him through thick and thin when he was getting bullied and was going through serious depression and people not believing him about his mom and his dad being unfairly locked up.

Iris was the one who wrote the blog about the flash because she wanted people to acknowledge the fact that the impossible existed and to help Barry and to find a way to help his dad.

But instead he told Eddie, the guy who tried to get him arrested.

This show treats Iris like shit but the viewers treat her even shittier.

[centaurs-arejerks]

Times like these are when i want a twitter because i really want to ask candice patton how she gets her pretty eyes to be so sparkly????? Like????? They are literally sparkling in every scene and they are so huge and expressive? If she wanted something and she batted her sparkly anime eyes at me, i would start a nuclear winter to get her what she wanted. And your honor, that's why i move to officially classify candice patton's eyes as wmd's

[irl]

but more than me bein a halbarry hater, im an iris west lover

before im human, im an iris west fan

im not a halbarry hater i jus think its v funny n silly

alexa pls send my tweet im beggng u

[iriswestaf]

IRIS. WEST-ALLEN. REALLY. THREW. HERSELF. OFF. A. BUILDING. TO. SAVE. HER. HUSBAND.

[sophisticatedloserchick]

Me laughing at the racist misogynist part of the Flash fandom who thought Iris would be a horrible Mom based on the previews for tonight’s episode

[purplecyborgnewt]

Note: it’s a slideshow, not an article. I don’t like slideshows all that much. But linking to this anyway, because Iris and Eobard and Cisco are deservedly on the list! (And also some non-Flash characters I care about who could’ve been higher-ranked than they are tbh.)

[iammarkisha]

I find it funny when you reply to a Iris hater, who shows up in the tag, with facts and they block you and remove ur reply. oh well. I guess they don't want to believe, and let others who irrationally hate iris, believe that the character they constantly hate isn't the reason for the ratings drop. Which isn't even that significant.

[radiatehate]

Wassup with all you anti iris dick eaters?

It doesn't take a genius to remember some shit and apply logic. Stfu, eat your dick, and leave iris alone.

[chocolateisgreatandlifeisboring]

I see some people ignoring Iris’ pain because Barry had to go save the world, but he still basically died. Does she not get to be upset about that? She does, okay.