#inb4 thanks i hate it

[roach-pizza]

Do you mind if I apply this to people who write sex scenes? Fanfic or original work. I've seen too many scenes that don't words like vagina and penis, but then sub that word with "love hole" or some nonsense.

Teaching creative writing to 8 to 12 year olds this summer, a demographic whose stories include a shocking amount of murder. The use of "unalive" was so egregious I had to tell them, "if you aren't comfortable using the words death, die, and kill, you aren't mature enough to be writing about them yet". Kiddo asked me if that applies to adults as well, and I told them it very much does, so here's a PSA.

If you aren't comfortable using the words death, die, and kill, you aren't mature enough to be writing about them yet.

[gruzdoesstuff]

Hopefully we're not the only one experiencing this, but the hatered toward APH Turkiye on rp is really concerning. Especially if its not nyo version, because nyo is loved because Hurrem Sultan ig. Almost noone wants to rp, and if they do, then it's only insulting Turkiye. Never any positive relations.

Inb4 - jest I am aware of the history of Balkans and Armenians, thank you.

But Poland and Russia are very often showed as "hihi I hate you (but not that much were still family)", yet when it comes to Turks they can't have one nice thing, even in past, even if they had/have extremely good relations with XYZ 🤨 if three wars are enough to cancel anything other then why there are any positive relationships between countries

(If you're doing Poland and Russia that way - that's fine, I'm not telling you to delete this relation)

France? Ukraine? England? Poland? Russia? There's like 5 users of all this countries combined, that we've met in our "career" that wanted to write something, other ignored.

"bUt tHaTs nOt iMpOrTaNt rElAtIoNsHiP fOr tHeSe cOuNtRiEs" stfu. That's only an indicator that YOU don't know them good enough to know about importance of Russia-Ottomans wars or that Brits occupied Ottoman Empire or how obsessed Poles are on the "Ottomans never recognized partitions!!!!!!!!!". That's your lack of knowledge and your personal prejudice.

I do get that you don't like politics of modern Turkiye, I get that you're playing as a nation that had wars, my favourite muses are Georgia and Kurdistan, b u t there's a difference between "oh yeah they fought bloody wars in past but I acknowledge both past and present in their relationship, so my muse wont be too found of Turkiye" and "I will ignore anything thats not a war so I can insult your character".

Sorry for rant, but like seriously, hetalia rp fandom turns into 1821's Greece as soon as Turkiye enters the chat

[beardedmrbean]

Just wanted to clarify on another ask I sent; I never said Johnny Depp SHOULD be the face of male abuse victims, nor was I saying he will be or he wanted to. Just to clarify.

Though it sounds like he cares.

I was saying haters were quick to say he shouldn't be the new face of male victims from here on. But they don't mean that in a compassionate or "don't give him an ego" sense. More so, "we hate to acknowledge that we lost," sense if that's clear enough.

Which is funny when many of those haters also try to twist him winning as something you should thank feminism for. MeToo says, "go to hell," to most victims of female on male abuse/rape and still sides with Heard over Depp, yet they still think Feminism has a monopoly on what to do with a gender they don't believe can be victims.

What a planet we live on.

Love this blog!

agree and disagree, hear me out

It would be great to have him out there doing all of that, and I hope he does come out and do some different things to aid abused men, there's just too many people who firmly believe that he's the abuser in that situation and it's not just the misandrists who will claim that a woman who broke her hand punching a random dude is the real victim either.

Part of that can be summed up by looking at if people even believe men can be abused.

the first 4 here when I search 'woman assaults man social experiment' are what I looked for, the rest are all about men assaulting in some way or another and a few kidnappings, there's a lot more as you scroll too.

the butt pinching one is in there twice.

inb4 bing, ya they're better than google is by a long stretch since they're not running a algorithm that can be manipulated.

I think if they want to do a PR campaign for male victims of domestic violence a good option would be using pictures of the perpetrators of that violence looking like they would in every day life and then listing their crimes underneath it.

Here's another example, from the A Voice For Men wiki page

Very roundabout way for the author to say that men should suck it up and let women abuse them and not fight back.

That's showcased in video 3 up there.

Male DV victims got a good boost from his very public ordeal, but it's insane how far we still have to go.

It'd be nice to be able to have the guy come round and do some PSA's that's for sure, but if you really want to get the point driven home there's gonna be other ways that will likely be more effective.

Posters or billboards with the kids of male victims of DV who were killed by their abuser with something like 'It doesn't just hurt men' up there with a statement about male DV victims.

Since society doesn't really give a shit about men anyhow so pointing at the children and saying it deprives them might actually do some good.

I'm gonna cut it here, since it's getting a bit heavy in my head but I will end with a website suggestion.

The Art Of Manliness is a good website, lot of good stuff for guys there, some good tongue in cheek stuff too.

It's a foil to people like andrew tate because TAOM doesn't go with the misogyny bs he does, it's just a really good site to hit up every once in a while for guy things.

I went through to find beard oil reviews and such at one point and got way more info than I bargained for.

Which was super nice

[initiumseries]

It makes sense, I'm not a big fan of this format either

I tried looking for your comments about Invincible and didn't find much, but I wanted to know, what you thought of Invincible? Which characters did you like the most? What did you think of the couples? About the story and how it was developed? The animation itself, this kind of thing

Yeah, like honestly, if I wanted this format I would've stuck to cable lol.

Thanks for looking, but yeah, I didn't really get many Invincible asks, and I only really posted about how the fandom (typically) irrationally hated Amber

So, my thoughts on Invincible as a show, was I liked the idea, I think that they handled the concept of an "invincible" not so hero super being far better than The Boys. Like even though Omni Man mollywhops the FUCK out of his son, I believe it when he finally is like...fuck. I can't do this, this is my son. And leaves. And because we'd only seen him operating in secret, and his choices made sense, he wasn't just some insane white supremacists man baby with powers, I was like man this is evil, but I'd like to see where you're going with this, and the reveal didn't disappoint. The Boys just...doesn't seem to have a coherent point, and the points they do make have me like

I think there were some weird threads that, while I could see how they were weaving the story, I didn't really understand the point of, like the robot, and trying to get a physical body etc. I didn't care for Eve's storyline at all, and cared even less for her single episode or whatever. I personally find when people who don't experience violent isms are naturally, quite bad at writing them, especially for animation. I think I felt like, after a second watch, there was some meandering, and I wanted a really tight, really focused and executed season, more Arcane, less Avengers the animated series, as far as story execution. Everything in Arcane had a clear purpose, and with Invincible, quite a bit felt gratuitous and like it deserved cutting. When I learned about how awful the production was, it made more sense though lol.

I liked the animation, but, and I've said this before and people get their panties all knotted up over it, American animation excels at the action sequences. Big fights, big explosions, they got the fx and animation in the bag. Smaller acting moments filled with emotion, not so much. And that sucks, because anime really fulfills that for me. I know I can watch an anime that has sick action animation and incredible character animation, and I wish North American animation placed more emphasis on the latter, but when everything is rigged to hell, and there's very little hand drawn animation in tv anymore because of the deadlines, I see how that gets lost. But to emphasize my point:

I really need more Black character designers on these productions and as ADs, because I HATED Amber's character design. Like, I don't know who this is, but it's not a Black person.

While there's a conversation to be had about the same tired ass hairstyles for Black men and boys in animation, I still can look at this and be like, yes, this is a Black person.

Inb4 someone cries about it being 3D, there's no reason to not get the same fidelity out of 2D animation, not when Static Shock and Justice League have laid groundwork for those clear shorthands.

but it makes sense they'd suck at drawing BW because they want the girls to be simultaneously eurocentrically attractive, while also being shit at designing Black people.

I didn't care for any of the couples. I wasn't particularly interested in a single thing Eve did, or the robot not robot guy falling for the lady who keeps getting younger, and I cared even less for Amber and Mark, but again, I think it's because there was a development to the relationships that I was looking for, and the show is so focused on all this action and Omni-man, there wasn't much room for the right development to those relationships, and by extension, the characters, for me to care about how they went. I think the only relationship I marginally cared about was Omni man and Mark's mom and that's because they did just enough, playing them like this lusty couple, and then he calls her a pet. I was like...oh damn, lol. We're going there. Embarrassing. I think if we cut out a lot of the chaff with the excessive action scenes and really built the story with as many emotional stakes are there were physical ones, it could've really been a powerhouse of a show, but instead I think it ends up being niche because it's like a well animated show without too much substance. I hope for more season 2, but I know how animation productions work, and that's an empty wish lol, but I'm still gonna watch it because I like watching animated stuff.

[sege-h]

Even if this made any sort of sense, Anon, perhaps people thatd hate post SGW Sally because queer kids would get to see themselves in more characters are perhaps....now stay with me here....

Shitty people

This includes you, anon :)

the reason ppl hate the new sally is because they only made her gay so kids who watch TOH will like her

Okay, I've been deleting most of these weird anons, but this one made me go, "Wait... what?" Isn't The Owl House a fairly recent cartoon? Lemme check...

Okay yeah, came out in 2020, finished in 2023. And Post-SGW Sally appeared in Issue 252, which came out...

Right, right. So 2013. Definitely before 2020. Huh. I feel like something else was before 2020 as well...

OH YEAH! The Archie Sonic Comics were cancelled in 2017, so that's 3 years before anon believes that the creators were writing Sally as queer so "kids who watch TOH" will like her. Look, I think the team who worked on Archie Sonic are great people, but I don't think they can see into the future lol And this is without even touching the notion of "how dare they write a character from an All Ages comic in a way they think kids will like" or the worrying notion that queer characters are only being made to appeal to the kids and not something the queer people have been fighting for for generations :)

[999-roses]

@ihatethewest is a radfem who has a huge terf following and often interacts with other radfem blogs (if you search "feminism" on their blog, it's all from radfems)

Anon I think if you go tell them about it directly, it might resolve your issue??

inb4 the rest: I haven't contacted her before posting this reply;; anon i did take your suggestion to search her blog under 'feminism' and originally did see some questionable posts. but as I'm typing this response, I refreshed the search and it appears that she's actively removing rbs from radfems, maybe she got shinigami eyes a little late in the game, who knows. so... anon. did I do anything wrong? I don't think I've reblogged posts with terf radfem content but please let me know if I did thanks 👍

this is not an invitation for any radfems/terfs thinking my blog is friendly to you lot. you will be welcome here once you dismantle the hateful ideology from your mind and are no longer a radfem including you 'cryptos'

[ladypriere]

...

really hate (fuck it let's just say it) women who posts thirst traps, but try to be coy about it. you know, the whole "feelin cute, might delete later" shit

you're just blatantly looking for compliments, and i dunno. it just comes off as icky. bonus points for if you reblog your own post with "best tags" that are people just blatantly being horny in them. just start an OF, jesus

(inb4 "what do YOU look like then???" i look like a goblin, thank you very much. happy? 😋)

[problematickincalls1]

didn't realise you answered non call asks! wondering how many asks you post VS how many asks you delete? thank you for what you do mods :') I found my boyfriend through your posts

I would say personally I have only deleted maybe 1-2 asks, but it's been because the askers/users forgot to say what their source was, and their kintype's name was so vague that I couldn't figure it out based on context clues lol. As for the other handful of mods, I have no idea how many posts they've deleted (worth mentioning I was only added a number of months ago). Since becoming a mod I've also not seen a single bit of anon hate, not even once. So that's cool. (antis will see this and think "challenge accepted" probably, so I'm just going to do a bit of inb4-ing [predicting] before that happens, maybe)

Anyway I'm glad to hear you found a fulfilling relationship! Anything we can do to help people safely connect with others of a similar fictionkind mindset is a win in my book

[lionslight]

i made this to commemorate @galehcart‘s existence

[superat626]

Chest Hair (tm)

[prince-everhard]

has anyone reinked kraken dice? what did you use to remove their gold paint and did it damage your resin dice in any way?

[official-queer]

lichrally why are there suddenly truscum and terfs interacting suddenly doesn’t my bio say i hate transphobes? learn to read you ugly, heartless freaks

[sonicboomseason3]

Hi, I can relate. Just feeling down atm ): Many, many problems going on. I haven't send an ask to anyone in agessss. Hmm. I guess my question would be - what are your thoughts on the new Sonic Prime trailer? I've been a fan of Boom since it was first announced but I will always love Boom. A guy can balance multiple (yet similar) favourite shows! :)

hi, thanks for writing in!! ......why did i type that i sound like a podcaster doing a q&a session

anyway i was pretty excited to just have something after months of not getting anything, so even if it was short and still a teaser rather than an actual trailer, i really liked it!! the visuals, animation, and fight choreography are sick and i already ADORE deven mack as sonic <3 ive also always been a sucker for stories about multiple universes so im just really looking forward to prime in general

though im going to go off on a bit of a tangent here so dont read if you dont want to hear this: ive been growing weary of shadow discourse for a while but this teaser was really the catalyst to me realizing just how much i fucking hate all the arguments that surround his character! id be lying if i said that certain peoples reactions werent a major factor contributing to the already shitty week i was having. inb4 im not trying to disrespect anyone or their opinions whatever they may be so please dont take this as a personal attack but i truly despise how sonic and shadow cant fight for 5 seconds on screen (with no context!) without this widespread panic that hes just going to be a pointless rival. you know, even though he and sonic have always fought? because their personalities clash? because they have different methods of handling problems that arise? theyve BEEN fighting aklsdjflas the only time shadow fought sonic just to spite him was in boom and boom!shadow does not count. say what you want about boom!shadow but he does. not. count. other medias like sonic x and idw all had them fight with actual stakes involved which is perfectly fine and normal and how conflict usually works

at this point i just want sega to come out and explain their entire agenda with shadow post-06 is (as well as how they see him in comparison to everything before that) like i know thats not gonna happen and obviously it wont stop people from disagreeing with the direction theyve taken him in (and again its fine if they do), but at least everyone could finally be on the same page. because with the way things currently are, theres no way someone can give their opinion on how they perceive shadows character (no matter what it is or how much evidence they have to back it up) without being called media illiterate by people who have just as easily disputable interpretations. i personally would love to talk extensively about how i see him and explain why that is the case but i wont because i dont want annoying people setting off my anxiety by accusing me of not understanding the fictional hedgehog <333

(yes i know this applies to pretty much all of the sonic characters at this point but shadows the big one and also relevant dont @ me)

[beevean]

So after reading "Let Go," I gotta say for a self-proclaimed non-writer you made a story that is on the higher tier of short story I've read. And this is as someone who has a writing major and so read a lot of stories to get that lol.

Like you could have bahsed on Surge since she's not your fav, but instead you actually made her be somewhat sympathetic even if she still lashes out.

It's a very solid and I'd say good piece. Inb4 an anon shows up to blindly go "lol Let Go sucks lmao wht trash like Misery Tastes"

bu-- wha--

Thank you so much, this means a lot to me 😭

Honestly I was just on a roll the last few days. Usually I have to pull words out of my mouth like teeth, but this time I knew exactly how to convey what I had in mind. It was a fun experience! Especially changing Sonic's behavior so that he'd be more in line to how I imagine he'd behave in the games, kindhearted but still no-nonsense.

Like you could have bahsed on Surge since she's not your fav, but instead you actually made her be somewhat sympathetic even if she still lashes out.

I hate character bashing. Unless you're deliberately writing a parody (and even then some jokes stop being funny, I wouldn't like Yandere Amy even in a parody), I believe in respecting the canon source. Even canon you don't like :P I fixed what for me were the biggest mistakes of #50 (Sonic's whole behavior, Surge's confused traumadump that also makes Sonic's blasé attitude look more callous, Sonic wasting time asking for a truce and not immediately trying to save Surge when she's about to fall), but I re-read many issues to stay as consistent as possible, especially the Imposter Syndrome arc.

I don't like Surge's surface personality, and in IS she made me roll my eyes a lot - she isn't that likeable, and not even in a love-to-hate way. She's a braggart and a bully, and that's really it. I'm also pretty disturbed by how Kit is treated by her, but that's another topic.

However, the fact that her annoying personality is fake? And that it makes sense for it to be this way, because Starline sure doesn't hold Sonic in high regard? That is a clever way to explain it. I was also taken by how self-aware Surge is throughout, she does understand that her hatred comes from nowhere, but still, when she has the confirmation that her thoughts are not her own? ... she doubles down. Because you try to break out of 232 sessions of brainwashing. So you have a rational yet irrational character, and that's what makes her intriguing for me.

Plus, y'know, tying her whole self esteem around Sonic and beating him can't be healthy. I was disappointed that her short appearance in #51 had her bounce back so quickly from failing the one thing she has going for in her life now (although it gave us Surge looking totally lovestruck and that's funny) - I think she should have had at least one temper tantrum :P Also, I've complained a lot about #50 lol, but I really like when Surge comes to the conclusion that nobody cared about her, because she either volunteered to be a guinea pig for Starline, or nobody looked for her if she was kidnapped. Add to this that her "little brother" was brainwashed into not having an identity outside of her, so his unconditional support is fake too, and I'm pretty sure her self esteem is in shatters by now. Or should be. We'll see. I still have my headcanon that her insistence in the first half of IS to be constantly validated for her feats comes from a deep insecurity.

I think that, if we could get a glimpse in Surge's head in the comic, she'd be even more interesting. And if she had one redeeming quality, like for example a violently protective affection towards Kit, I'd genuinely like her :)

Anyway, you made my evening, thank you ^^ I'm glad you liked it!

[franki-lew-yo]

It means so much if you read this

It's 4 in the morning. I'm off on of my meds so I think I know why I am the way I am right now, but that doesn't make me cry any less. I can't stop crying; I WANT TO MAKE MYSELF STOP CRYING- but I feel selfish just saying that. When I get like this, the worst possible thing is to tell me "you aren't bad actually I know it so; you can do this!" and any other positive-vibes like that. That makes me feel ignored. That makes me feel even more like a burden because it makes me feel like you(whoever) is just wanting me to shut up cuz I'm ruining your vibes. And, the fact that that's the first thing that comes to comes to my mind is what's making me feel worse.

I'm crying because I have what's called Imposter Syndrome. I'm crying because I know, in my happier moments I know NOT to beat myself up...and I'm sad because that means I feel weak now. I'm crying because I can't live without seeing myself as a bad person in order to counteract me actually being a bad person <- this isn't what being self critical actually IS, but it doesn't matter. I don't know how to stop.

I'm alone. I have no one in my friend circle w my condition and no faith in my comfort zone. I'm so scared telling anyone that because I think constantly about what they'll think of me, and how the "criticism is bad"crowd will look at me and use it to justify their media criticism -> self-harm pipeline. inb4 >"well SHE'S a critical person and she's clearly not happy so yeah; media critics and cynics are always just deeply unhappy and making the rest of us feel bad, ugh stupid 'Antis' :P :P :P" I know that's not true...but it doesn't matter. People like this, people who don't have ADD and want to put the blame all on one thing and call it a day- I can't do that. It never is just one thing. If I do that with things that bother me, it destroys me. It has in the past.

I want so much to talk to people closest to me but I will always feel like I'm going to hurt them. I feel I only talk about myself anyway. I feel I'm never there for anyone else.

I want to be comfortable in my own sexuality and lifestyle but I also want healthy criticism and I don't know how to separate the two- I don't know how to not see someone ranting about their problems and NOT apply it to me. I will always feel like I am their problem, like I am their abuser.

No one taught me to think like that. It's just how I am.

I want more than anything to be understood cuz I want to be understanding myself. It feels better just to type any of this out and it really feels better having you guys read it and know this about me. I don't know how to approach people to tell them how sad I am. I know it's something you don't want to be handed in from your friend even when you are capable of hearing it at the moment-

so thank you for really listening to that.

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I don't like my posts being completely drabby. Let me end this by saying something petty that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things:

There's two songs at my work that I hate but hear all the time and they drain my soul out of me everytime I hear them!?!? The first is this one that I think is sung by Miley Cyrus cuz it sounds like her and the reframe is "he's one of the good ones". I hate that song so much. What is this "you aren't one of THOSE ones-types?"/TERFcel garbage? If this is about a man in a relationship it just sounds unhealthy to say as the woman. If this song were about a woman it would be deeply concerning. It's bent on double standards.

The other song is this clubby bs who's main reframe goes "In the name of looooove"x4 times, but then on the 4th time the singer turns into this dubstep clubby beat. I hate it. I hate it so much. Please put on the 80s tunes again. Just once.

[weaselbeaselpants]

Weird week behind me weird week ahead of me but I’ve done a lot of self reflection and came to the weirdest epiphany. The older I get the more I realize all my ‘problems’ with VivziePop - her thoughts on criticism;  the choices she makes in story telling; some of the people she’s worked with (not that any of that’s my business; I’m not her mom) really aren’t about Viv, but more about her fandom.

I’m speaking of the preHazbin era Viv here and as someone who’s only watch horny fish jump at the surface rather than jump straight into the Hazbin-fandom, but given my ‘noncritical’ fellow fans have told me that the Vivziefandom now is also terrible - I guess I’ll go over my experience and make the most out of what I do know.

I followed Viv in 2009 and fell off in 2013 cause I kinda just lost interest and found myself wrapped up in other fandoms. I’ve always felt amicable about her content; I could give or take designs or the way in which she wrote characters -- ((Zech represent!!!)) but it’s honestly surreal and really fun seeing this person I recognize make it big and improve so much. Like I’ve said before I am very happy and very impressed with Viv doing all she’s done in the span of TWO YEARS. wow gurl.

Trouble is, there was the particular breed of fan who really made me...uncomfortable. They felt almost possessive of Viv’s attention. They sang praises about her work in a way that just made me want nothing to do with it because I was worried if I drew those characters these people would be like ‘hey, I’M Viv’s fav artist, not you!”. They would  unironically write Viv messages like:

“you are a GOD” -- “I’m so not worthy compared to you” --“I wish I was as talented as you” -- “YOU ARE EVERYTHING AND CAN’T DO WRONG VIV”.

The kind of messages which were meant to sound flattering but, intentional or not, came off as gaslighting, like they were guilt tripping Viv about being better than them. This behavior, treating your favorite artist/internet personality like your superior and groveling like Starscream, it strikes a nerve with me; partly because I was this way with my favorite artists and influences back in the day,  but also because once I got a taste of that treatment myself I realized just how bad it could be:

There was once a girl on dA who was jealous of me because of the attention I got on my art instead of her. I told her that I wasn’t gonna stop drawing but also that there was nothing wrong with her art and she’d find her place. It was weird being put in that position where someone is very clearly upset at you but also looking for your approval.

The second was some scumball who I blocked in 2016. He wouldn’t speak to me, only write condescending, backhanded comments on my art; check on my profile daily; call me a bootlicker (cuz I took commissions) behind my back; redrew my art and would talk about me in his personal artist notes about how I ‘probably wouldn’t see this’ - oh yeah all the while he did fan art of my characters but again never spoke to me when I replied. When I finally messaged him about his behavior he said he thought I was “really overrated” and “bad for the fandom” cuz I took money and kept him from getting the love he deserved. It took messaging another person within our fandom, one I had been in spats with online before, to finally realize I shouldn't put up with that bs....

That guy who was stalking me btw did so while I was well under 1.K watchers and am still pretty obscure. Anyway, I had one guy unhealthily watching me for the wrong reasons. Just one. This is why when Viv says she “hates creeps” I 150% believe this woman and am not about to call her a liar who just can’t take criticism. Like, if you really think that, I’m sorry but you don’t know what Viv’s gone through from both her critics AND fans.

Of course, a lot of people will be like “I bet you’re just jealous and really just want that kind of attention yourself so you’re preaching to the choir”, but like...no. I am envious of just about any creator who’s the social butterfly I’m not, but, like, if I'm jealous of an artist none of that is that artists’ fault. Ever. It’s my own issues with being comfortable with myself are at stake. If I criticize Viv’s work it’s not because I see her as competition or my Squilliam Fancyson; it’s because I’m a critical fan of animation and cartoons and have my own thoughts to share on the cartoons of an artist I’m familiar with.  Jealousy/envy/mixed-admiration/godIwishthatwereme.jpeg feels are totally natural and valid emotions when you’re a creator. Envy becomes a problem when you internalize, weaponize, and scrutinize people on the basis of them being what you aren’t which -yes - some people do in the name of criticism. ((Although, I would hardly say some of the nastiest AntiViv folk are jealous as much as they are angry that this project they think is harmful is getting attention and using that as justification for some really shitty behavior of their own, which no, this post is not a part of by virtue of coming from a critical fan.))

Critique can come from either a good place or bad place; good critique can be used to bad ends and bad critique can come from a well-meaning place, and vice versa.   It’s the difference between many a criticalfan having a sour taste in their mouth regarding the Viv’s base but persisting in a critique+admiration separate of that, and this asswipemonster trying to weasel his way into Spindlehorse while also bashing Viv on a public forum for clearly vitriolic reasons. He was a creep.

So yeah um please stop insisting that every Hazbin critic is just jealous’ because a) there are people who have a past with Viv’s base and that clouds their judgement, but in a lot of cases that doesn’t invalidate their feelings or thoughts on her work separate from that, and b) I’ve seen what clingy gaslighting jealous fans are. Spoiler: they’re not so much Annie Wilkes as much as they are Tommy Wiseaus. You don’t want Tommy Wiseau following you.

Another bad vibe I really picked up on that I can kinda confirm is still probably the case now: people think that they know Viv and the Spindlehorse crew and have the right to send them shit they don’t need or WANT to be seeing.

Like, I talked with Viv once ages ago. I don’t remember what I said other than we were talking about Frankenweenie, I think. She was nice. Outside of that she said “thank you” to my comments on her deviations but that’s it. I DO NOT KNOW THIS WOMAN AND unless you’ve worked with or are a legit friend/mutual of hers, NEITHER DO YOU. But I don’t think every Vivzie stan/critic knows this. Whether it be people assuming she MUST think they’re headcanon is now canon-canon cuz she liked a comment they made; or some critic thinking they must have seriously hurt her pride because they’ve been blocked by her on twitter (or you know, maybe she and the rest of Spindlehorse is tired of getting @s and don’t have to time to read through your analysis so they’re gonna just block and move on cuz they’re busy).

Just because the creators talk with fans doesn’t mean fans are literally their best friends and have a part in the show’s direction. And yes, critics and reviewers fit that bill as well. Know your damn boundaries people.

If you find/make some kind of contribution as a viewer that’s awesome but you should never expect nor DEMAND the creator see it. The most obvious horror stories involving this and Helluva/Hazbin have been the Instagrams made by the crew being harassed by incestpedo enthusiasts, but it applies even to just @ing creators as well.

I’ve seriously had someone tell me to just take my criticisms directly to Viv and like...no. Why would I do that?

I respect Viv and the artists working with her enough to know that they’re working their asses off on an animated series and should not be bothered. I don’t want them to stop all they’re doing and reply to me. I want them to keep working. Also, that kind of logic makes me wonder how many critics Viv’s found because she found it on her own or if some obsessed fan told her about it - which is really messed up cuz if it IS just good critique you’re, again, just pestering her, and if it wasn’t critique but full on harassment WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU MESSAGE HER ABOUT THAT ANYWAY? I’m sure she doesn’t need to be reminded that people drew and said really awful shit about her on Tapatalk. My point being I’m sure what people think they’re doing is

“OOOoh Viv lookitwut this person is doing in our fandom we need to ban together against this toxic behavior”

but what they’re actually doing, and sounding like, is -

“Hey Viv I know you are working so hard on the show and you’re trying to figure out where to go from here but LOOKITWHUTTHISHATERSAID. LOOKATIT! VALIDATE ME VIV AND PUT’EM IN THEIR PLAAAAAACE!”

TL;DR Viv’s fanbase back in the day consisted of everyman artists and interests but there was this one breed of fan -who I hope was just a vocal minority- that ruined it for everything else.

Call it stanning or ‘simping’ or as it’s classically known, ‘white knighting’, whatever it was it really soured a lot of people on her because of those fans.

That’s why the DollCreep drama got so bad from what I can tell. Doll and Viv had a falling out and then called out eachother online where people who took it upon themselves to speak for them starting throwing mud.

Back in the day I remember Viv used to get mad at artists for ‘stealing’ her style. I think this attitude from Viv directly has vanished but I remember it happening because one of the people she thought was stealing her style did art for me at some point and they were basically shamed/chased off deviantART by a gaggle of these really nasty Vivfans.

inb4> “VIV WAS AWARE AND STILL WEAPONIZES HER FANS THO”

I don’t know that. And honestly, where I’m inclined to believe she’d do something like that then I think Viv is really different and has improved her business and public image from her college days. I’d be very disappointed in her if she was pulling a Butch Hartman or Derek Savage, but I just don’t think she is one, k?

Viv is more self critical and aware than any of these uber protective-gatekeeping fans give her credit for. She said on the Pizzapartypodcast that she knows the Hazbin pilot wasn’t perfect; she’s been able to identify the problems with old Zoophobia; this woman knows that criticism of all kinds need to exist and from what I see she sounds like she’s trying to get used to that. It’s just, you know, when you have nasty antis badgering you, stalkers, obsessive yes-mam’ fans, opinionated shit posters, r34 artists, entitled shippers and the NDAs of a company alongside your own branded image - all that negativity, even the constructive bits, tend to clump together and you just want to scream at it so you can finish the damn cartoon already!!!!

TL;DR: PART TWO

VivziePop/mind is basically indie Tim Burton.  Her work is fun, shallow and made with love but is marketed as being for everyone when it’s really not. Parts of it I love to watch; parts of it drives me crazy cuz of reasonswhatev this isn’t a review.

BUT any fanbase where people tell me I should just “expect what’s coming to me” when I’m trying to argue against dragging creators into fandrama is troubling. People have a parasocial bond with fandoms and their creators and they need to learn when to back off.