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“Dude, you originaly shared a freakin' blog post while I shared medical sites. And now you share either news sites, or medical sites talking about FEMALE humans-trans or otherwise, not male.And sure, one kinda medical site that tries to humour people like you that buy into the bs that is trans women having periods-though once again the word period isn't a scientific word soooo….”
Because trans women ARE WOMEEN, We are talking about trans women here not trans men. You said “Trans women dot get periods” not trans men.Keep up dude. Theres multipack medical sites hat say the same thing as the one I linked. Is not bs, its been tested and proven, yuor the one believing the bs here that other radomes tell you cause you cant use yuor two braincells to form a cohesive thought to save your life. Trans women THEMSELVES say the have period like symptoms, they have periods, doctors have noted it.
The phantom period still have the same symptoms as PMS, cramps, bloating, cravings,etc. So it’s still a period like all cis women face,it’s still part of menstruation.
“Once agan, menstruation is shedding of the lining of the uterus and phantom menstruation occurs when something is wrong, either cause of internal factors like endo, or external cause of removed uterus but remaining ovaries--in other words one has to be FEMALE.’
No it doesn’t, PCOS is in men and women, trans men and women can also have ends, theres been studies on this too.https://www.jmig.org/article/S1553-4650(21)00559-8/fulltext
So no it’s not just FEMALE .
“Also "Not every cis women bleeds during their period, are they suddenly not women anymore?"that's a strawman and you know it.”
Strawman: a distorted (and weaker) version of another person's argument that can easily be refuted
This isn’t a distorted view of your argument, you are saying “trans women dont bleed so they down have periods.” “Trans women dont have ovaries/uterus so they dont have periods” Thats what you’ve been saying this whole time. Reread your argument and it’s right there.
“To conclude you keep conflating sex with gender when I only talk about the former, you share news articles and medical ones that talk about FEMALE humans not male-like that medical article about a uterus transplant,
Because even in there articles trans women are considered women, and ive shown you studies of both men and women with uterus transplants.
https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/should-uterus-transplantation-transwomen-and-transmen-be-subsidized/2023-06
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9259284/
In the OP`S post im pretty sure I mentioned trans men getting pregnant to, so I dont know what to tell you.
“it was about a natal woman; and that NEWS article talks about a posibility which is nothing but a pipe dream when one knows and understands human anatomy, and also what entails organ transplants in general.”
You don`t even understand human anatomy if you don’t see trans women’s hips change on T and it’s possible for their hips to get bigger and wider, as ive pointed out above. And the rats was still successful, and theres been many tests done on rats getting different genitalia. Most doctors know it would work, and that it would help trans women, more than you and your limited knowledge of trans people.
A natal women helping make it possible for trans women In the future when you said it was just a pipe dream. If it was just a pipe dream it wouldn’t have even been tested before. It has been and trans women have been interested in in for awhile now.
“So yeah, I'm out, and you keep living in fantasy land, and keep conflating things when arguing with others in the future and also with building strawmen in those arguments. Have a nice life, goodbye.”
You’re the one living in fantasy land here, can’t even understand a single thing about trans people or science behind it, yet your`re a nurse. Please learn your definitions and what a straw man, trans women, men, and menstruation is cause you have no idea what you’re talking about. Sorry you have to live with your last two braincells but hey thats what being a nerf does to you, makes you as dumb as Patrick Star. Have the life you deserve, goodbye.
#terf brainrot#im sorry you dont understand how intersex#trans people or uterus transplants work#or anything really#but thats on you not me
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im so curious what u mean by the vriskafication of jegbert? /genq
ive been watching the hs fandom from afar since the epilogues were dropped.
this is a rlly good question- i have a lot of thoughts and feelings abt june and how the fandom has taken to her her and is now portraying her in popular fanon. im so sorry this has gotten so long. im also sorry if i say smth you or anyone reading this disagrees with, but in my experience this is kind of inevitable when it comes to the topic of june egbert, trans characters who havent come out in canon yet, and trans headcanons as a whole. this shits personal to all of us and we all have different perspectives on transness, and oftentimes how we view transness in fiction is very much coloured by our own gendered experience.
it boils down to: can we please fucking let trans girls live. we are so fuckin weird about transfem folks and trans girls/women, even in fiction. sometimes especially in fiction, actually. especially on this gd website. if i have to see one more person defending june (and tgirl roxy) as a concept, and through that, defending real life transfems existences by talking about girldick or being a sweet docile sugary femme babygirlie kittycat, i will turn everyone into a fucking goldfish and flush you all one by one down my toilet. this, again, also extends to how a lot of the fandom handles trans headcanons in general, regardless of gender. all of what im about to say is from watching the homestuck fandom and fanon grow and change over 10+ years, basically since the beginning on this site specifically
some disclaimers for my trans resume i guess: i am intersex. i am plural. we as a system identify systemwide as transfemasuline or transneutral in an attempt to both honor and not speak over each other in terms of gender expression and individuality, while also trying to condense our existence for singlets to understand better, faster. we dont have time to explain all our shit all the time lol. we have transfems and transmascs in our system and everyone getting a fair, even chance at their preferred presentation is how we roll. we have lived a transfemasculine life. you cant put us in a single blue or pink corner, it wont work we are immune to that bullshit.
the vriskafication of june egbert is basically me trying to short-hand describe the way that ive seen some fans portray june post-transition by turning her into a mean girl[tm] type of person. there's also the roxyfication of june egbert, where other people make her a ditzy bimbo who can do no wrong because 'shes a girl now' and thats apparently how ppl still think girls should behave?? jegbert's canon personality traits need not apply anymore, apparently, bc that was icky boy behaviour. ghostbusters who? she likes shopping now. fanon june is sometimes eerily similar or exactly like vriska (fanon, woobified vriska, mind you, bc we still cant get a grasp on vriska as a fandom either) while also dressing very high femme and only high femme. because she has to perform someone elses femininity (spoiler: our own concept of what girls 'should look like' to be considered girls) instead of her dads masculinity now. shes either mean like vriska, or dumbed down like fanon roxy, who again has been watered down into a ditzy dumb girly girl who has done nothing wrong ever, bc shes 'just a girl', and bc people get Uncomfy when fictional tgirls do bad things. and oh boy has canon roxy done some bad things
as a counterpoint to my aesthetic based grievances, which are entirely personal- you can portray june egbert however you want. i personally invision her as very butch, but i could be totally wrong! im not even trying to make guesses here! this is my personal make-believe! she is not a real person and has never actually appeared as herself in canon. we dont know what junathan would/will be like during and post-transition. we dont know what an egg crack event will do to them. but some of the ways ive seen june portrayed feels........ off, personality wise. very off. and thats what i care about. it feels like malgendering in way too many cases, with the ditzy girliepop/catty girlbully thing. its straying too close to the tgirl brand of madonna/whore that tfems have to face in real life constantly. this is especially bad for tgirl roxy but i'll get to how fanon vs canon roxy is handled later
i use the word 'vriskafication' bc like vriska, june egbert (meaning tgirl jegbert, previously known as john in fandom and currently as john in canon, just to hammer it home that june and john are the same person, because some fans do seem to forget that john is living life believing shes a boy and a man right now and i dont think that should be erased) is still a pretty polarizing concept. fans either love her and disregard jegbert as ever having been john, or they disregard her as a concept in favour of how john is right now in canon. or theyre just straight up transmisogynistic about it bc they want their yaoi or their het ships. and BOY are some of the fandom not shy about that. which actually leads me into my next disclaimer:
im not including tboy/tmasc john headcanons in the above statement. i do not care about fighting over trans headcanons. i think that shit is just disrespectful and pointless and juvenial. you are fighting for nothing. june/john will not thank you for fighting for their trans rights bc they are not real and have no rights. june is not canon (yet) because she has not had that realization yet, and we dont know if/when she will. and genderbend aus have been a thing since the dawn of fandom anyway. more than one type of headcanon can exist at the same time. we are playing pretend. headcanons will never be proper representation. we are fans, not corporate entities or big directors or production teams churning out content for mass audiences. john has been considered a cis boy for FAR longer than june has been a popular concept, and you dont know how long someone has had or how close to someones heart their trans headcanon is, regardless of what flavour of trans headcanon it is. its rude. some of yall are so fucking mean for no reason other than 'you cant sit with us. on wednesdays we wear pink' rules. very intentional reference there
and i mean okay, roxy. big pink elephant in the room. no one respects or even acknowledges the fact that roxy in the Meat timeline is transmasc and currently only uses he/him, and when they do they're bullied fuckin relentlessly and ostracised from fandom spaces. ive seen entire hate campagns specifically for badmouthing transmasc roxy fans to try to get them to stop posting tmasc roxy stuff, or to see it as transmisogynistic violence akin to shooting a real trans girl live on tv. i have seen these comparisons be made on this site. ive seen others get actually violently transphobic about it back in 2019-2022, and even now. ive talked to fans who were mass dogpiled and harrassed off tumblr for liking meat!roxy's direction, or even just not publicly condemning him while having a neutral stance. i myself have been instablocked from servers and off of ppls blogs for thinking tmasc roxy is cool and a good plot point for his overall personal arc, especially in juxtaposition with roxy's pregnancy in candy, and how that affected her rship with her body and her gender. ive been called horrible things for even considering roxy to be anything but DMAB. that chapter in candy where we get a glimpse inside roxy's head about gender was beautifuly written with a lot of tact for trans people who can be or have been pregnant and enjoyed it, something that is INSANELY RARE. UNHEARD OF, EVEN, IN MEDIA. so this really isnt about trans rights or representation from my perspective. its just gendered bullying and a whole lotta white knighting from people who are majoratively not even fucking transfem.
the same notes of trans coding for roxy that fans deem only as transfem could be seen as coding for transmasculinity too. yes, including the XY thing. does anyone remember what foreshadowing is. and all of this even depends, hinges, on whether hussie intentionally wrote ANY of the human kids as trans initially or had it planned from the very beginning, which i really really really dont think she did!!! in 2009??? yeah fucking right!!!! the entire thing about roxy and jane pressuring dirk and jake into relationships is about cis girls feeling posessive of and entitled to queer boy's bodies and attention, because its something they cant have, and cis girls are seen as a group of people physically incapable of harm, which is misogyny that directly effects cis girls/womens victims. its a direct mirroring to cis boys doing the same to queer girls. and as much as i love all flavour of trans reads for the alpha kids in fandom, i dont think i wouldve appreciated it in canon. i wouldve hated it, actually. it waters down the message and makes everything far too messy and open to bad faith interpretation. we need more trans characters doing bad things in media, but the era the alpha kids section of HS1 was being published was NOT the time. an inarguably canon tgirl character preying on an inarguably queer tboy in 2011-2012? there would have been blood in the streets. i VASTLY prefer fanon interpretations when it comes to the alpha kids being trans. i trust fans way more, but i obviously still have reservations about that which is why im here writing all this
to further back this up- hussie has also openly discussed having her eyes opened to queer issues BY queer fans WHILE HS1 was still being updated!!! THATS why you can see a gradual influx of genuine queerness in homestuck as you read it!!! the vagueness of the trans coding we percieve in the text is why tboy john is still so popular!!! WAY more trans experiences, especially in childhood, are more similar than The Current Discourse bad actors will try to have you believe. please dont believe them, they're not right in the head and the ppl trying to convince you that someone has it The Absolute Worst are lying to you. we all have it bad, thats how oppressive systems work. its just in different patterns for indiviuduals. a middle class trans persons oppression can and often will look VASTLY different to a poor trans persons oppression bc different axis of oppression are at work. it depends on the type of person our oppressors label us as, they dgaf if anyone identifies as TME or TMA. thats a little beside the point but its absolutely contributed to how fans treat fictional trans characters, especially in the last few years
i hate hate hate the ideology in this fandom that one trans interpretation or headcanon is more valuable, or hits harder, or is more idk narratively transcendient or powerful than The Other, so The Other is deemed boring/bland/sauceless/whatever and deserves all the hate and takedowns and dismantling and nitpicking it gets. the fans of this Other Trans Headcanon deserve their hate and calls to kill themselves because theyre just Wrong About It. but thats not true. none of that is true. you just dont vibe with other flavours of fanmade trans narrative. and thats completely fine actually. its literally like preferring carrot cake to raspberry pie. it is on that level outside of transphobic biases, and i sincerely believe that a lot of fans start out on that level, but dip into transphobic biases because of the constant fucking weird moral panic about trans girls, and by extension, young trans people as a whole. which is not fine. whats also not fine is attacking fans of trans characters over said trans characters gender, canon or interpreted!!!
to tie this tf up bc i dont want this to go on for any longer than it has, im so so SO SO SO tired of fanon june and roxy being trans girls first and foremost over their actual characterization. and im even MORE tired of the word 'girl' being taken in fiction to mean dumb, sweet, (white)feminine, wouldnt hurt a fly, so so cuddlysoft, girlboss it up girlfriend, you cant sit with us, im such a cool bitch, im cooler than you dumb gross boy because im a girl, what personality i dont have one i dont need one because im a girl.
so much of fandom has forgotten that roxy is fucking mean and WILL ignore whatever doesnt fit her whims/wants and will plow through her closest friends and loved ones regardless of the situation at hand because of what she wants. she canonically admitted to harrassing dirk on the daily because she wanted him, because she was lonely and couldnt see past her own hurt to see that she was also hurting her friend. and oh my god, mom lalonde, worlds first abscent mother who swears up and down that she loves you really, rosie posie, its just that mommy's real hungover again and also very busy. that is BRILLIANT characterization for a female character, and its been forgotten behind the big pink bedazzled neon ITS A GIRL sign. and the same has been happening with june!!! and it sucks!!!! us transfems are just people we are JUST people. i dont want trans girl characters only point of characterization to be trans and girls!!!! i dont want talking heads and perfect cardboard cutouts in lipstick!!!! when june happens i want her to be exactly the same as when she was john because thats who i became enamoured with in HS1 and thats who i watched grow up in the epilogues and THATS who i want to see finally find their place in paradox space as herself. i want her personality intact, and i dont want to see her forget or turn her back on her childhood and teen and young adult years. i dont want june to be fanon vriskafied
#our t#asks#roxposting#this got long. thank u to anyone who reads all of this and doubly for those who dont immediately cast me into trans hell for it#i also want to say that this is not about anyone i know or talked to oh my god no. i trust yall w/ my life. sayin this cause i would wanna#hear it. this is the anxiety website :( nah this is about fandom as a mass entity#& how very personal trans headcanons from singlular fans have gone supernova & been conflated with trans rep for large audiences#verses how even the *concept* of a trans girl/woman can whip groups of people into a frenzy. esp if theyre canon or promised to be#whether that frenzy is to 'protect them' by drooling & panting all over them or to try to deny that theyre there#its like trying to say that my intersex!dirk hcs should be treated w/ the same gravity as navigating/portraying queerness in steven univers#it just dooooesnt make sense. i am one guygal playing with my dolls while rebecca sugar had an entire team to work together with#to try to pin down how much queerness they can get away with for bigotted cishet audiences while also laying down coding for#queer watchers from the very beginning. like cmon now#that shits complicated and can and often does get u fired. i mean w/ SU it did outright. im doin monkey typewriter shit
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amatonormativity can only be defeated if society learns that people can have different needs.
most people need sex. i need sex to stay mentally healthy, but not everyone is the same. i also need gluten, but some people get really sick from it. a lot of people need romantic love for emotional fulfillment, which i will never understand and find very strange, but thats okay, because people are different.
ableism is also tied into this. i need things to be explained very clearly, often multiple times, otherwise i dont understand. sometimes im literally unable to process sound enough to understand what people are saying. most people dont need basic sentences explained multiple times to understand, so i have a need that others dont have.
a lot of amatonormativity is similar to ableism. i theorize this is because society views both lack of attraction and disability as biological inferiorities that need "curing". this is why historical queerphobia is extremely ableist. electro conversion therapy is exactly the same thing one of my dead relatives suffered for being mentally ill (note that this form of... well, torture, literally cooks brain cells, eventually having similar effects as a lobotomy).
intersex people are often forced on hrt that makes them sick, because perisex society believes that "normalcy" is what people need.
ive heard of asexuals being forced on libido meds because asexuality is assumed to be a medical condition.
all of these are forms of conversion therapy (if your country has not banned igm, conversion therapy is still legal, sorry).
again with the inherent ableism, i used to have problems with anxiety induced meltdowns, and my psychiatrist assumed it was because of my already treated adhd. he forced me on ritalin, which i already had a record of it not working for me. my adhd meds that work were taken from me and i had to take whats basically mild meth. for 3 days straight, i had a panic attack. singular. it continued for days without stopping. as soon as this started happening my mum took me off ritaln, against that doctors orders. for a week i had no adhd meds, so i microdosed magic mushrooms and my anxiety (and adhd) caused no problems for that whole week.
all of these are medical assumptions, assumptions that a non existent problem needs curing. my adhd was fine. i was treated with a med that had worked since i was 5.
theres a huge similarity between gay men being forced on testosterone to try to make them more masculine, and me being forced on ritalin to treat a medical issue that didn't exist in an attempt to make me normal. (the problem i had was much more about my autism not being accommodated btw).
queerphobia and ableism have been intertwined since western society came up with eugenics.
i dont need to be fixed, i need to be loved instead of treated like a problem. people always think my autism is "worse" when they abuse me, and its just because i cant mask when im scared. it becomes a cycle of me being abused for not masking, and not masking because im scared. in the same way, things like psychosis are made infinitely worse by psych wards. can you imagine having a delusion that the government is hunting you and then actual cops throw you in a cell and drug you? thats reality for many psychotics! it happened to me, and everytime i became more convinced that i was being tracked.
queerness is treated how disabilities are treated, because to the medical system they are the same: disorders, and disorders are inferior.
in both cases people just need to be cared for. we may be totally different, but we have so many similarities in our experiences.
a society that sees us as the same will treat us the same.
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what are your general thoughts on queer(gay n trans n all) people? like you dont seem to be against gay ppl from what i can see but i also see that you've like never really openly said something pro or against trans ppl. sorry if its out of the blue im just curious esp seeing your pov as a religious person who has trans mutuals/follows n all bcuz i (unfortunately) know plenty of christians that know trans people but only tolerate them instead of accepting them (which usually means they misgender/deadname them)
hi! I'm happy to answer your question - it's a bit controversial, though, and a sensitive topic for everyone, so I do ask for your understanding if anything I say happens to offend you.
as a Christian, I believe in the stance the Bible puts forth: that BEING gay is not a life choice, it's an inclination that came forth due to the presence of sin in the world. the continuation, however, of this choice, is a sin.
To quote so no one thinks I'm speaking out of some random, bibically incorrect bigotry, Romans 1: 24 NIV "Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another." ,Romans 1: 26 "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones." , Romans 1: 27 "In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."
obviously my faith and beliefs should not be forced on unbelievers. I am not any holier than anyone else because I am straight. I am every bit as sinful because it's impossible to avoid committing sin.
so if I'm going to sum it up, it's best said as: none of my business because Who Am I to tell you how to live, right? you're my friends and 'preaching' isn't actually loving. the best form of loving others as a Christian is to accept them as a person before judging based on whatever life choices they've made or pronouns they call themselves. which brings me into the next part!
theologically, I have to admit I'M NOT VERY SURE about trans people. I genuinely cannot find many sources of literature on the topic. There are intersex people, there are people with gender dysphoria. The Bible doesn't talk much about those, enough to give any real objections anyway. To talk about my beliefs based off the context, if God made you as you are, you shouldn't be trying to change you...is the logic, but again, no reason to force biblical beliefs on unbelievers.
I do disapprove of the extent to which some trans people have taken this schtick. I've seen posts saying 'oh if kids can play soccer and do ballet which messes them up for life, they can also do trans surgeries!' I'm sorry. That just doesn't make sense. WHY would anyone want kids to have permission to do Very Risky Things when they are small enough to not know better or make informed choices? And I also know many posts say that 'common sense', kids aren't gonna do those things till they're old enough to feel like they need to do them....those posters need to remember the last time they regretted doing something as a child. Common sense can't be relied upon in my experience.
Plus, given the kidnapping laws in the U.S which basically allow children to be taken away from their parents if their parents disapprove...lol yeah now make a law where my child can be taken away from me if I'm not in the same fandom as them. It can be hurtful to receive dissent on your life choices, but that don't mean up and leaving is the solution, unless the living situation is physically dangerous in some way or you are an actual adult. Children are not trustworthy indicators of whether or not a parent is problematic. And I'm saying this having had problematic parents myself - sometimes we are part of the problem. And if it's difficult, you should still try not to give up on them.
This might be the most important part: I'm wondering whether the gender stereotypes placed on girls and boys are the markers trans people want to overcome. Because from what I've researched, there are two different camps. 1: people who admit that they are biologically whatever sex they were born, and just enjoy dressing like and passing for the other sex because it makes them more comfortable. 2: people who actually believe they are the other sex because they feel that way and they are only effectively realizing that change to their 'authentic' self by transitioning.
I don't believe in gender stereotyping. Like, girls wear skirts boys wear pants. Boys can't wear pink etc etc. So the concept of a trans woman thinking they are a woman because they enjoy the markers attached to being a woman, like, for example, having long hair and wearing skirts, makes me really uncomfortable. Because that's not the whole experience of being a woman. It's only a small part of it, and it's not universal at all. And while no one can claim that ALL woman have experienced a certain set of conditions that make them woman...the only standard for BEING a woman, in my book, is to be a biological one, because it's the only defining trait. When people think of girls, I don't want them to automatically think of girls with skirts and wearing pink. I want them to acknowledge that all girls are different, and the only thing that makes them girls is the gender marker, not their conformance to 'gender norms' that have arisen from societal conditioning.
The idea that someone's feelings can be 'authentically accurate' makes me feel even more....nah. Feelings are valid but if I trusted mine all the time, I'd definitely be all over the place.
To sum it up: no problems with the trans behavior because I'm not into forcing biblical perspectives on y'all. But I definitely have a problem with the idealogy and the legislature.
dead name, misgendering wise...I believe people should be called whatever they want to be called unless it makes the other person uncomfortable. In which case the other person should just stop interacting with them since they're so uncomfortable. (E.g you want me to call you Baby Chicken. For some reason I have a problem with it. Maybe I have a strong fear of chickens.)
Basically I respect your life choices. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk haha.
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"Trans men don't need an intersectional word that goes beyond "transphobia" because being a man is not an oppressed identity, it's easier for them to get resources, and they're not affected by transmisogyny"
Words spoken by people who have never met another GNC person offline (or another trans person who wasn't white) even once tbqfh. And yeah access to those spaces is difficult and often gatekept to shit so I don't think that's anyone's fault, esp not transfems. Your brutal exclusion is never your fault. Still, I think it is possible to have these CRUCIAL conversations about transmisogyny and how transfems are affected... without making sweeping statements about what other trans people do or do not experience. It might be easier for people to check their transmisogyny if they could understand how it does in fact affect them sometimes, their behavior, language, and the spaces they frequent, in addition to how it perpetuates this awful exclusion. Being hypervisible and yet constantly excluded IS something that transfems should have a word for. That IS something I do not understand the pain of as a transmasc. It must make them feel utterly insane. By all means, coin more words! It enriches these conversations when we can relate to each other more and we have more language for the discussions we're having. We want to tear down the walls keeping us apart, not build more.
to be clear, I don't think tma/tme are "unnecessary." Transmisogyny is real and transfems do really experience uniquely awful shit, especially from within the community. But that in an of itself is not a unique experience. Being excluded from "women and nonbinary only spaces" is actually not a uniquely transfem experience. So many transmascs do NOT benefit from patriarchy and I am tired of this claim coming from non-transmascs.
HOW we all get policed by our in-groups presents differently, but policing each others experiences is not something that bridges understanding. And I'm sorry but in 3 years of this convo I've not once seen someone bring up tma/tme to discuss transfems without entirely dismissing swaths of other queer people in the process. Maybe im not seeing the good faith takes, idk.
A lot of other bad-faith misinformation is STILL getting passed around about the coiner of the term "transandrophobia" and what it supposedly means, and how the term itself is transmisogynistic. None of that ever matches up with what I actually see in transandrophobia discussions. I see a lot of diverse people discussing and relating to transandrophobia, specifically a lot of tpoc and intersex people, even a lot of transfems. The people who talk ABOUT 'transandropobia truthers' present a much different idea of the discourse we're having than what i actually see. That inconsistency is a red flag for me.
Tldr i think the concept of tma/tme is fine actually, but I disagree with the usage of the term tme specifically. Terms describing what tma/tme are getting at AND transandrophobia can and should coexist. These are not mutually exclusive ideas actually. apparenrly i cant bring up one without addressing the other bc nobody has good faith conversations anymore.
Basically just. Please don't tell me what I have or haven't experienced, and I won't claim to know your pain intimately, either. we can still relate to each other over the ways we've been let down. I feel like that should be the goal, not determining who does or does not deserve to use certain words.
Also as an asexual, the whole "transandrophobia truther" dismissal feels eerily similar to the rampant ages-old acephobia from tumblr we know and love. You guys love mocking "novel" (to you) discourse and then 5+ years down the line acting like you weren't telling us to commit sepukku for suggesting that ace people can be oppressed for our orientation because we "don't even experience sexual attraction and you cant be oppressed for something you dont experience."
self determination is important for all of us for many reasons. I won't tell anyone else what words to use for themselves. If you're TMA youre TMA, end of story. But dont tell me by definition that makes me TME or that I have to use terms I feel are incomplete or inadequately describe my own experience. I'm not asking anyone else to do that.
Anyway.
#me#like. whether or not i am tme is not something anyone can decide for me#any more than they can decide if im queer or transsexual or nonbinary or demisexual or anything es#else*#likewise if transandrophobia is real in my experience. you dont really get to tell me its not!#i know who i am and what ive been thru and what i relate to better than anyone else does. thanks.#i didnt actually want to weigh in on tme/tma cause it feels like not my business for the most part#but people KEEP insisting that i am TME and must use the word whether i like it or not#sorry but thats not very queer of you
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im intersex, visibly, but i am an extreme minority. i will be speaking from that pov. you do a lot of ‘haha maybe i’m a girl!!’ joking and inserting yourself in transfem spaces so i think i know what you’re ‘really’ talking about. transness isn’t always visible. i know it sucks to hear becs white people aren’t used to being told that they can’t be whoever they want, but, if you can get a haircut, put on/take off makeup, swap piercings etc and no longer pass as queer than you are making small choices that a black person cannot make. ‘no its just who i am! im not making a choice!’ that’s the white privilege talking honey. who you are to a stranger isn’t the things you put in your hair or your clothes. when you make a choice, you feel that it is a part of you because nobody has stolen your autonomy. but it’s not :/ anyway!
being intersex means i am physically different from everyone else. again i’m a crazy minority but if i need to humiliate myself for u to understand then sobeit. i have a mix of sex characteristics and you can tell even with my clothes on. aka i CANNOT take them off. just like how we CANNOT take off their skin tone. sorry white baby, but ur wrong here.
it’s important not to shut poc down when they’re talking about racism by throwing queer stuff into the conversation. not saying you did that but it’s important to be sensitive plus respectful .. and this conversation is toeing the line for both lol. being queer doesn’t make you immune to being racist and obviously it doesn’t give you some kinda clairvoyance or a deeper understanding of racism. you just can’t experience that oppression. be grateful lol. you wanna transition so bad then do it DO IT TODAY. DONT DIE WAITING but don’t speak over your trans siblings of colour that’s step 1
...when was i shutting down poc. like, when did i do that.
Like i fully understand the line of thinking that there is a difference between being visibly queer and being black, i just disagree with the part where queerness is like, something that's easy or possible to hide for everyone. Like, it relies on an intuitive understanding of social rules that i simply have never had. Being queer doesn't feel like a choice when i constantly come across as queer by accident. Like i'm sorry this whole post feels pretty condescending
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ok so first and foremost i dont agree with ppl being mean and insulting you because thats not how you get people to listen to what you have to say so i am sorry about the prev ppl immediately going to attack you but im not going to sit here and minimize their anger because its not baseless and they are well within their right to feel that way. im coming here to try and at least offer my view as a lesbian, which i doubt will do anything but its worth a shot i guess.
i dont agree with the implication that 'bi/mspec lesbian' labels are not harmful when they are fundamentally lesbophobic, biphobic, and transphobic from the talking points ive seen, and hurt us. implying that lesbians can feel attraction to men is the same rhetoric homophobes push onto us in real life to try and imply our sexuality is a phase and can be cured. "you just need to give men a chance." yk things of that nature. im not going to dive deep into the biphohia of it because i do not live the experience of a bisexual and i dont want to talk over bisexuals but i think it speaks for itself when people are so adverse to the label. you must ask yourself why are you so afraid to identify as bisexual? lesbianism has always included nonbinary, trans, gnc, and intersex people. and if its 'too restrictive' then it does not apply to you. lesbians do not and will not ever be attracted to men, i know its hard to believe but yes! people who arent attracted to men exist! we exist! i feel people are so angry and emotionally charged is because we are tired. tired of facing lesbophobia from outside and within the community. sorry for the long ask i tried to keep it short and concise. all i can say is please listen to actual lesbians.
hi, thank you for not being an ass an providing an actual argument, i very much appreciate that /gen. there genuinely is a horrid amount of lesbophobia, biphobia, and transphobia within the community. i know that there are a lot of arguments that the mspec label contributes to such. i just cannot get over the fact we are having fights like this within a community that is actively being attacked so heavily as a whole, especially right now.
your argument's reminiscent of the idea that the pan label is biphobic. genuinely, some people just identify with one label more than another, and sometimes people feel best defined by a combination of labels. even if the difference between the definition of bi and pan is miniscule to you, it might be big enough of a difference to someone else for it to matter.
it's not about "fear" of identifying as a certain label, sometimes it just doesn't. feel. right. once again! i could identify with bi, pan, omni, whatever label! but it's just not me. this has been said before, but nothing about identity is simple. feeling like we need to separate each other all into our own little boxes is incredibly isolating. the point of having this community to begin with, is so we all know that we're not alone.
everyone's just trying to live their lives. you genuinely seem like you have good intentions and god, i KNOW that this argument's tiring, and i can't imagine what it's like to deal with all the other arguments targeted against lesbians in particular, and i won't act like i'll ever understand the struggle with lesbophobic arguments, since i'm not a lesbian.
but people outside of the community are taking advantage of this argument even existing in order to make life worse for us as a whole, regardless of whatever label you choose to use. whether you're bi, a lesbian, or a bi lesbian, doesn't matter to the people passing bills against our rights and healthcare and protection. any difference to them is equally wrong. i'd rather stand against that idea as a whole than go along with it to suit whatever i'm trying to convey.
i just don't want to cause people to struggle to be themselves and live their lives simultaneously. majority of us have that same goal. even if we don't agree with each other along the way, at the end of the day, we all just want to feel safe and happy.
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Hi. Ive been thinking about something for a while, I was hoping I could get a second opinion (not a medical opinion, just like what do you think about something). Sorry for my English btw, it’s not my first language :)
Maybe five or so years ago I found out I am a genetic chimera, it’s because I have both XX and XY in my body, it’s actually not uncommon and likely very uncounted since most people dont get genetic tests. But for me you wouldnt know just by looking, I was like “oh neat” and that was it
Then recently I was in a trans Discord call and mentioned the chimera thing, and someone was like, “oh so youre intersex?”
And I didnt know how to answer that because I understand that being intersex is an experience in addition to sometimes being a medical thing, and I dont want to claim an experience I havent had, I had a pretty standard endosex childhood and puberty. Apart from the event from five years ago, having mixed chromosomes hasnt affected me lots. They said mixed chromosomes can cause fertility issues, I don’t want kids so this isnt a problem for me. Plus Im also trans, so Im on hormones by choice since a little over two years, my transition has been pretty typical so far
But I also dont feel like saying I’m endosex is true, so usually when I want to talk about it, I say I am a chimera
What Im curious about is your takes. I know not all intersex people will have the same ideas about it, but I dont know any intersex people or even other known chimeras in my daily life, so I thought I can ask here, thank you!
Hi anon,
You are definitely welcome to identify as intersex! I know several other people who are chimeras who identify as intersex, and every single major intersex organization that I know of also recognizes people who are chimeras as intersex. Of course, you don't have to use any terminology that you're uncomfortable with, but know that the intersex community would welcome you.
One thing that I really appreciate about the intersex community is the diversity of experiences we have. There's no one intersex experience-some of us will be identified at birth and have a totally different set of interactions with the medical system and social experiences. Some of us will have really noticeable traits, some will not have as noticeable traits. Some of us will face a lot of discrimination, some of us will not have it affect our life that much at all. Some of us will have a lot of involvement in intersex community spaces, while other people are not as interested. And all of those ways of being are valid and we are all just as intersex.
All you need to be intersex is to have an intersex variation, so you definitely count. If you're ever interested in checking out intersex community spaces, we have a list of intersex organizations. Of course you don't have to change anything about how you view yourself or interact with the world, but if you ever want to connect with more chimeras or other intersex people, there's defintely options!
Best wishes, anon.
-Mod E
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i have no idea who you are just saw ur post from a mutual but as a transmascish intersex person dating a cis man who are both extremely kinky and would make most people on here throw up in disgust in what we do, thank you. i don’t get how people will go on here abt their kinks they know they’re going to get bullied for, get bullied for it and then cry and whine about it. i cope w trauma w kink but i very fucking carefully curate who i tell and where i go and it seems like some ppl are just fucking braindead and forgot this isn’t 2017 and tumblr isn’t for porn freaks anymore seriously grow up and go to reddit/other established kink sites.
unless if you’re actively trying to fuck that person or close friends they probably don’t want to know abt what you jerk off to and i’m Very fucking autistic and i can still somehow understand this. i hope this anon message made sense and wasn’t hair pulling i got so sick of tumblr discourse that i actually touched grass and started talking to ppl IRL so idk how ppl can still think like this. sorry you had to deal w that bs and happy pride
THANK YOU LIKE... like my reblog said i have shit that i like that i dont post about on tumblr!! and im not saying you Have to keep everything behind closed doors but if you really dont give a fuck what other people think when they see you talk about it be prepared to Really Not Give A Fuck. not post about how youre sooo proud of it and sooo sure of yourself and then see someone make fun of it and turn it into the worlds most exhausting pointless six day drama. because you decided to be public about it on your main popular blog and had your whole world shattered by the possibility that people can be A Little Bit Dickish sometimes.
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because you and i are functioning on entirely different assumptions about life and nature and the world. for example: i am filled with joy and acceptance, you are filled with sadness and you need to seek purpose. you believe this even matters at all and i genuinely could not care less. i understand of course that you dont genuinely believe that anyone cares about what you just wrote, and thats okay. this website is fantastic for just yellin stuff into the void.
if what you thought you were accomplishing here was changing my opinion then try a more empathetic tone. look at my original post, note how the theme is meant to comfort the reader without speaking directly to them? see how i, very smartly, listened to a community that i dont personally have any experience in instead of telling them that minorities should just shut up? and then from there, i used the information that afab and amab are terms created by intersex people for the exact purpose of describing their socialization because of this exclusionary event to describe an interesting and diverse world, the lovely world that we live in, in a way that hurts no body and helps everybody.
im so sorry that your thought process can be so black and white. and if you learn more, feel free to come back to my lovely page.
btw amab and afab do not define chromosomes or a persons junk or their facial hair situation or even their testosterone/estrogen levels. intersex people exist.
assigned male at birth and assigned female at birth are events. thats just a thing that happened it doesnt define anything about who anyone is.
#lgbtq#intersex#lgbtqia#trans pride#transgender#also is that what you’re doing right now?#thinking about a strangers dads dick?#weird
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Ack, I fucking love your take on omegaverse! I enjoy it actually (the scenting, breeding, and the feral/primal shit), but I have the same problem with the complexity of how female alphas impregnate others and the whole giving birth through your butthole (shitting-the-baby-method) stuff.
Annnd I check all the fics that you recommended and I was surprised to see that I've read all of those 😭 Like maaan. Fantasy/Supernatural/Anything involving not complely human characters stuff are like my freaking favorite! This is coming from a girlie who started reading werewolf and vampire original stories on wattpad on 2016.
That being said, I want to reco a fic. It's fantasy/magic with Seer!Mickey. It's a short and light read :'›
https://archiveofourown.org/works/33299758/chapters/82689130 (idk how to do that hyperlink thingy, sorry!)
i just dont understand why many omegaverse writers hate tras or intersex characters 😭 SO many times ive seen people (using hiding on anon) saying stuff like "youre not one of those omegaverse writers who thinks all guys should have holes do you 🤨" like whats so wrong with men having vaginas 😭
in my utopian omegaverse i see (what would be considered in our universe) intersex characteristics being very common. ofc fandoms need their weird giant dick fetish fulfilled, so alpha adrosex cis women or transmascs can have lower cervixes since omega guys/transfemmes always have tiny dicks?? whereas omega androsex cis women or transmascs have higher cervixes to make room for alpha guys' or transfemmes dicks ig.
if you ask me, i think cis alpha women can also have dicks and cis omega guys can have wombs. sex isnt just decided based off genitals, so they could still have internal sex organs, secondary sex characteristics like fat distribution or having breasts, and hormone levels that dont fit into "typical" androsex ideas of what a man or woman is. there are also many different ways that people can have both set of sex organs. they are rarely both fully formed, but its a fake universe where people have fantasy world characteristics so who cares!!
actually, scratch everything i just said! there is no assigned gender at birth! each individual can decide how they want to identify as they get older, so there is no cis or trans! theres only the spectrums of alpha and omega! alphas with wombs and breasts with one undescended teste and higher testosterone/androgen/estradiol levels where they grow more hair and have deeper voices and are territorial! omegas with dicks and no womb but have ovaries and a natural urge to nest and care for children even if they cant carry the child themselves! alphas and omegas with both sets of sex organs or ambiguous genitals! maybe instead of betas being awkwardly-misplaced normal people, they can be people born with ambiguous genitals and, during puberty, dont end up presenting alpha or omega. maybe betas dont present until the meet their mate, or maybe they never present. maybe their presentation involves showing distinct characteristics of both alpha and omega! idk im talking out my ass here! i just think we should get more creative instead of sticking to some made-up rules a group of supernatural fans invented on livejournal
and ive actually already read that fic and i love it! urban fantasy holds a very special place in my heart 🥹 and i had a similar experience lol when i was young i was OBSESSED with twilight and was very much team edward bc i was obsessed with vampires for some odd reason? and now i like blood and romantic cannibalism so look where that landed me
#long rant about omegaverse under the cut lmfao#asks#this-is-estreyla#omegaverse#fanfic#intersex people are really cool and i think they should be included in every universe thanks for coming to my tedtalk
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cw/ medical trauma + genitalia. sorry if i use any words or refer to something incorrectly, im trying to learn!
so, im unsure if im.. allowed to claim myself as intersex. i was hoping that, being so involved with the community, you could help give insight.
i was raised as a girl. im an adult & trans. i had a "normal" female puberty, albeit a little early. a couple of years ago, my mom mentioned (while she was intoxicated) that as a baby i had [fused labia] that had to be "corrected" with estrogen cream + "a procedure". since then, ive noticed i have some numbing and scarring around my genitals.
hearing this was.. extremely traumatic for me. she described the way i cried. its taken a long time to process all of that + what it could mean. im scared to pull up medical records, both for if they say anything or dont.
im scared i might have an intersex condition that is either undiagnosed/not recorded, and could be affecting my already poor health without my knowledge; or that i was born intersex and it was taken from me, and that i dont live with or have any evidence left in my body to prove that; or that im simply not intersex, and im obsessed with this train of thought and just *wish* to be intersex as some kind of dysphoric internalized -phobic trans-affirmation that im not a girl.
sorry if this is kind of heavy, i dont really have anywhere to talk about this and have been struggling with it on my own for a while. if you have any advice or insight id appreciate it 💜
hey anon 💜💜💜
I’m so sorry to hear that happened to you as a baby, and I can understand how upsetting and traumatic it would be just to learn about it now. whatever space you need to take for anger, grief, fear—you deserve to have time to process this information and your feelings. And you deserve to have support while going through this.
This sounds like an incredibly difficult way to find out the possibility that you might be intersex. While I can’t tell you anything for certain, I can tell you that the things you are describing are things that I have heard from many other intersex people. Your experiences do sound a lot like you might be intersex. Things like surgery, scarring, vague explanations—those are things a lot of intersex people have experienced. And I want to say that it doesn’t sound like you obsessed with being intersex for a weird reason or anything like that. I think your reaction to learning about your surgery at birth makes a lot of sense, and you are not being weird or intrusive towards the intersex community at all. Most of all, I want to say that it’s okay for you to reach out to intersex community and participate in these spaces without you knowing for certain whether or not you are intersex. The process of intersex discovery can be complicated and painful, and you don’t need to go through it alone. Your experiences you’re describing here are ones that a lot of intersex people can resonate with and help you get through them, and can help you with things like next steps or medical records if that’s what you want to do.
I can understand why it would be scary either way to discover for certain whether you’re intersex or not. And I can understand why it would maybe feel intimidating or complicated to be approaching intersex spaces or talking about the possibility of being intersex. But it is absolutely okay for you to reach out, to talk about your experiences, and to use the label intersex when you think it’s relevant. Feel free to send asks or dm me whenever you want. I am also totally happy to send you an invite link to an intersex discord that would welcome you if you send me a message off anon.
I’m so sorry for everything that’s been taken from you and for what you’re going through right now. You are not alone in this. I truly wish you the best 💜💜💜
Intersex followers, if you want to add on any words of comfort or advice for anon, please do!
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Biggest headcanons. I'm bad with words lmao
thats valid man me too. im only doing the beta and alpha kids
john/june/jone: transfem genderfluid and gay for men [she/he/they], puerto rican, autistic + adhd, they love stimming by rubbing their knuckles and playing with slime. biggest spin is movies, specifically ghost/horror films. she can and will info dump to you about ghost busters. rose: nonbinary poly lesbian [they/she], black japanese mix, autistic + ocd + psychotic, very monotone voice, unable to express their emotions well in their tone, knitting is a stim for them, especially when the wool is very very soft. experiences delusions in which they arent human.
dave/dove/d*ve: transfem bigender and bi [he/she], black japanese mix [albino] autistic + adhd + did, has a lot of repressed stims, favorite one is doing conductor hands while listening to music. spins are dead things/archaeology, info dumps constantly over the anatomy of animals. when overstimulated he goes nonverbal.
jade: intersex transfem pupgender poly lesbian [she/pups], polynesian, adhd + severe separation anxiety, stims by flapping her ears/hands and jumping, definition of “cant sit still”, her house is full of stray dogs she found. very blunt and to the point, doesnt take shit from anyone.
jane: cis bi [she/her], puerto rican, autistic, has a hard time understanding boundaries, loves the texture of cake. spins are baking and detective/mystery stories. expressive voice, non expressive face. (i dont have many for jane sorry)
roxy: transfem catgender poly pan [she/they/he/purrs], black, autistic + adhd, stims by typing and petting fur/soft fabrics, loves audio stims. top spins are cats, coding and gaming. is a proud mother of twenty dozen cats. she can beat your ass at any game, but will sometimes let you win.
dirk: trans(cant decide between fem or masc) gay [he/him], japanese, autistic + did + npd + ed, scared to stim around people, his favorite stim is hand flapping and fiddling with cords. he knows everything about mlp (all gens) and if given the opportunity he will talk about it for hours. insecure over his monotone voice. recovering from a severe eating disorder. hes not too affectionate, shows affection by stimming near people he loves.
jake: intersex transfem nonbinary and gay for men [he/they], polynesian, autistic + adhd + did, is almost constantly in a state of dissociation, brain ghost dirk is his comfort factive. like jade, stims by flapping and jumping. doesnt understand social cues at all, cant understand tone changes either. very affectionate, very huggy/cuddly.
BONUS:
davesprite: intersex trans gay man [he/him] black japanese mix [albino], autistic + adhd + did, next to the same headcanons as dave. stims by flapping his wings, absolutely loves it when people pet and preen him, will never admit it though. verbal stims by cooing and cawing.
hal: agender gay [no pronouns, alt are he], japanese, autistic + npd, doesnt like people (other than roxy and davesprite), stims by humming and beeping, extremely blunt and comes off as rude. doesnt know how to show that he cares, but does care alot about the few people he knows. if given the chance, will info dump about everything in existence.
#john egbert#june egbert#rose lalonde#dave strider#Dove Strider#jade harley#jane crocker#roxy lalonde#dirk strider#Jake English#davesprite#lil hal#hal strider#homestuck#headcanons#autistic headcanon#adhd headcanon#did headcanon#asks
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while im still not fully convinced that the answer was legitimate, i do appreciate your thoughtful answer. ive just heard all that stuff about nb genders before. that they're uncommon, just a phase, hence why it's more common in youth. and i dont think OP being NB changes this. anyone can hold prejudice.
sorry anon, i’m going to lose my mind HSDHGJDSKL i wrote up a really good response to this but then i accidentally closed the tab I was writing it on LMAO!!! ANYWAYS LET’S TRY THIS AGAIN LOL.... (RIP to that half hour I spent writing.... UGH)
I dont know if I understand what you mean by legitimate in this case? From what I understand, Bear was speaking from her own experience, which is about as legitimate as one can get when working with spirits!
I do completely agree with you that one can still hold prejudice/be -phobic even when they’re part of the minority group in question! I just thought I’d mention that piece about her being enby, because it’s much different from a cishet person saying it than a queer person saying it. But yes! You are absolutely right with that!
I think that the issue here is that animals and humans probably have very different ideas of gender!
Here's a couple snippets of msgs I sent to a friend when we were discussing this after your anon bc I'm really interested in this topic and wanted to hear my friend's thoughts and ideas on the topic
1. "i do not know that much actually and i dont think i really have An Answer to it all?? bc i'm still learning and i'd need to do some research and also ask like,, the spirits themselves LOL and even then it's all just MY experience and i think it'll be impossible to come to any actual conclusive fact-based answer tbh" 2. "i think [the animal kingdom is] mostly just concerned abt staying alive and furthering the species and making the animals around them happy and like,, fostering connections and care between each other if they're social animals!!! idk it's like,,, all A Lot and it also depends on the animal i think bc like... elephants have much different brains than birds for example LOL"
humans have very different brains than other animals! elephants and primates and dolphins and crows etc are some of the animals that have closest to where humans are at in terms of intelligence. this is not to say that other animals are not intelligent, just that they have DIFFERENT intelligence and very different brains! so i think perhaps gender is more of a human thing? I'm not entirely sure, though, and can only speak from my thoughts and what little research I've done. I think animals are mostly concerned with like... "do my sex organs match up right w this animal's sex organs so we can reproduce, and are they a suitable mate so our offspring will be strong and survive", but this doesn't explain homosexuality in animals, so thats INTERESTING and shows that animals are capable of far more thought and care than many humans give them credit for!
I keep catching myself talking in circles LOL because I'm not entirely sure on what my thoughts on the matter are yet, and I'm not sure if I'll have A Proper Answer (as i said in the first snippet of message I sent to a friend that I've shared here).
What i CAN say, though, is that there are most certainly nonbinary and trans animals out there, even if it's much different to how humans classify such gender experiences. Frogs (and certain insects i think?) are the one specific animal I can think of off the top of my head that shows cases of nonbinary gender. In the case of frogs, certain species will change their sex if they need more of the other sex for reproduction purposes. BUT THAT ONLY ADDRESSES REPRODUCTION, NOT GENDER! A good example of transness (and possible enby experience) in animals, is the trans lions! (I need to refresh myself on trans animals LOL, it's been a hot minute since I looked into it!) There was a case of a lion of one gender who acted as if they were of the "other" gender, but this does not do anything for reproduction or furthering the species so obviously there is more going on in animals minds than just reproduction when it comes to gender and gender expression! (though, this may have something to do with possibly being intersex and thus having both sex hormones? I'm not entirely sure, I'd have to look into it more!)
I do NOT think nonbinary genders are uncommon or just a phase/a fleeting experience. I've been nonbinary all my life, even if I didn't realize it yet. I know people who have been nonbinary all their life and had many "nonbinary experiences" throughout their life, and there are plenty of older (40+) nonbinary people who are of all ages!! Nonbinary identities have existed for centuries, since the beginning of it all, and we're not going anywhere soon LOL. I do think gender experiences change as one gets older, because of how our society works - puberty/sexual maturity changes things! all of a sudden girls and boys are treated differently and thus exacerbates the differences between genders and you realize that "oh gender is a thing actually and this kind of sucks". So it would make sense that this would be similar in the animal kingdom! But I do think there are definitely nonbinary and transgender animals out there, especially spirits since animals gain a newfound sense of awareness when they become spirits (though this may just be because we get to understand them better since communication barriers are broken).
OKAY SORRY I'VE SAID A LOT AND I HOPE THIS HELPS???? idk how it would at all LOL, but! TL;DR animals and humans probably have different experiences of gender, and there are absolutely nonbinary and trans animals out there!
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I could definitely see momoe being intersex! It definitely happens to where ppl dont even know about it or realize it! I like this headcanon for her, a little light in the darkness. ☺️
My thoughts on the show though...oh man. They are very negative so I'm sorry. 😫 You don't have to read it all if you don't want to. Warnings ahead for mentions of child abuse and suicide:
In a nutshell it's some kind of preachy anti-suicide propaganda piece, and it goes about its message in such a weirdly perverse and victim-blamey way. It's also sexually charged in a rly low-key way where it's romanticizing the way these children are crushing on and/or being abused by adult men. Ah I can't articulate it properly but it comes off as so sinister in its intention and it's easy to miss, *especially* for the target audience of, well, 14-year-old girls.
The end was so nonsensical that I can barely even remember what happened, but by that time I was already so upset about Frill and realizing what the show's message truly was that I don't think I was even registering what little plot that show had to give.
Also, as a trans boy myself, I have mixed feelings about Kaoru, but I don't think I'll ever watch the show a second time to let those thoughts fully form.
i just finished the last episode (without the extras) and im gonna be real with u i didn't understand it at all 💀
i see your point and i agree, especially with the last wonder egg & the whole thing with ai's/koito's teacher. i got the ick really quickly but the 1st real nail was the fact that he painted an "adult" version of ai and called it beautiful/gorgeous etc (and said she'd look like her mother, WITH WHOM HE IS IN A RELATIONSHIP......) and i thought it would be addressed later on, but they just. dropped that and then made it worse by saying that in a parallel universe she confessed to him and that he was her first love. without it being weird somehow idk. not to mention how breezily they hypothetized that he could've abused koito hello..... however ill give them the benefit of the doubt for that since it was a discussion between 4 teen girls and one of them did step up. even tho she just stepped up to defend her uncle. oh well.
i think i see their point in the way that teenagers sometimes get attached to their teachers, but it's the teachers' responsibility to draw a FIRM boundary and that guy clearly didn't with neither ai nor koito. im also quite unsatisfied about how his relationship with koito remained vague till the end of the main show (can't say abt the extras)
overall i still enjoyed watching it and got attached to the girls, but it really went sideways with the episodes 10-12. not really sure how i feel about the frill situation which frustrates me to NO END bc i literally started watching it for her </3 anyway
kaoru is... an extremely unimportant character, barely one episode etc and his trauma (and the trauma of all the wonder eggs tbh) was basically overlooked, which is also why im desperately clinging to the queer momoe hc. also disappointed bc he really deserved. so much more.
ANYWAY i was 0% ready for the last 3 episodes, and idk if ill watch the extras bc that was really weird and rushed. i feel like they should've explored some stuff way more, specifically around frill and how she's linked to what's happening. plus her motives etc, bc at the end of the day it's up to interpretation but like so vague i can't even really think of smth that would fully make sense
so, yea. imo amazing start but some very important things were left out (which sucks bc as u said the target audience is teenagers) and glazed over when it could've been an opportunity to point out how fucking WEIRD and dangerous some teachers are and the end was kinda fucked.
in conclusion. hoshiai no sora is better
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i wish i had the money to afford real health care and the bravery around medical professionals to just be totally honest but i spend like. so much time trying to understand why my body developed so different than everyone else ive ever known including my own family.
idk. like theres some hypochondriac part of me that always thinks like "i have some SYNDROME i never got diagnosed with!!!" and i do think that COULD be true. another part thinks maybe its some form of intersexism i just never hear about or something. either way my brain always settles on "i think for some reason i dont got enough estrogen OR testosterone and i wish a doctor could test that and tell me why im like this and if its normal or if its dangerous and esspecially if it means im infertile cuz that would rule"
but idk this experience has always left me in such a strange space. like im trans masc but i really can relate to trans fem peoples top dysphoria because theres still a part of me that feels like a failed woman for still having the chest of a child. and this experience makes me really sensitive to conversations about how if a woman looks too young or short or shaves too much its infantilizing because i cant help it. im sorry i look young but i want to be seen as an adult because i am one. it makes me really relate to characters of like 300 year old characters stuck in a childs body cuz thats genuinely how i feel a of the time. people talk about what its like to be seen as young for your age but im 25 and got mistaken for 12 last week, and before that i was told you need go be at least 15 to get a job at some place i asked about, and before that i was told you cant get a gym membership until your 15. ive had people ask a partner out on a date with me holding their hand right in front of them because they thought i was a little sibling. like. its just really frustrating that no one takes me seriously when i talk abt how much it hurts. but everyone sees me as a child so most people dont take anything i say seriously anyway. like it makes my dysphoria feel so different than anything i hear other people talk about. because it hurts to be seen as a little girl, but it always hurts to be seen as a little boy, and id rather be seen as a grown woman than a little boy, because i am so hyperaware that i am physically incapable of looking like a grown adult man its actually LESS dysphoric to just look like a 16-18 year old girl than it is to look like a 12-14 year old boy despite being a 25 year old man. like. explaining that is so convoluted. like i really think if i took T it would not masculize me at all, it would probably just make me look like a woman in my 20s
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