#im not a apologist ffs

[iamhereonlytobeanunstableshipper]

Ok so. I just saw a Reddit comment (idk why I get on reddit fandom cause it always ends up making me mad) saying that the Alastor and Husk scene was probably the first time Alastor was that violent towards Husk because of him talking back to Al in the first place.

Aka, Alastor isn't abusive to Husk, except for that one time. And ISTG that comment made me want to crawl into the darkest pit of hell (ha, get it?).

SO, let's explain why Alastor's treatment of Husk isn't a one time thing.

Husk and abuse: a character analysis.

First of all, let's explain Husk's personality and why he acts the way he does.

Husk's character is presented to us as a grumpy old alcoholic who only wants people to leave him the fuck alone. He doesn't care about the hotel, about any of its members, or about Alastor's plans. He doesn't want to collaborate, he doesn't want to be there, and he doesn't care enough to act as though he does.

But, reality is:

Husk cares. Way more than he wishes he did.

He doesn't show it often, but he cares. He shows it when he calls Sir Pentious, Charlie, Vaggie and Angel out at the beginning of Masquerade, and ofc, he shows it with Angel throughout this whole chapter.

(I find the heart motif on Husk's demon form to be very interesting, actually. I like to think that one of the things Husk hates the most about himself is that, as much as he wants to fake otherwise, as much as he sees it as a weakness, as much as it just complicates everything, he cares. And death taunts him with that, displaying for everyone to see the heart he so desperately wants to hide.)

Also, Husk is very good at reading people. He hates fakeness, he hates lies, he hates people being dense because they're trying to ignore a reality about themselves.

All of these things get on his nerves enough to show that he, in fact, cares.

And he sure as fuck loves (maybe a bit too much) winning an argument against someone who's pissing him off.

So, let's go to Alastor.

A while ago I saw an amazing post (that now i cant find aaaa if someone finds it pls let me know) that talked about how this isn't the expression of someone who's just been beaten at poker, but it's an expression of sadness and betrayal.

This post implied, therefore, that Husk and Alastor had built a previous relationship of trust before the betrayal, either platonic or romantic (which had been just manipulation from Alastor's side, just like he's now doing with Charlie)

If we take this into account, it makes more sense why Husk would care about Mimzy being trouble. Not only for the safety of the rest at the hotel, but also just a tiny little bit, for Alastor's own safety.

Don't get me wrong, I'm very sure that Husk hates Alastor, but there's this tiny, annoying part of him that can't help but care.

So, let's cut to the infamous scene.

Husk didn't confront Alastor because he had never been violent towards him before. Husk confronted Alastor because he cares, and because people being stupid gets on his nerves, and because he finds it hard to hold back when he knows he's right.

Also, it had been 7 years since he had seen Alastor. It's normal that he's gained more confidence to confront him.

AND, despite all of this, he was reluctant in the beggining.

In the first screenshot, Husk gets visibly angry at Alastor because of his dismissive attitude while his back is turned at him. But when Husk speaks again, you can see him visibly holding back, choosing his words carefully with that "I mean".

(Go rewatch the scene if you wanna, it's way more clear that way than via screenshots ksdldf)

Compare this to the much more accusatory way Husk was calling out Chaggie, Sir Pentious and Angel in back chapter 4. Husk is being careful with Alastor.

Despite all we know about Husk's personality that leads him to warn Alastor about Mimzy in the first place, Husk still holds all of that back.

Why? Cause he knows better than to say something that might anger him.

It's only when Alastor touches Husk and calls him his pet that Husk loses his temper.

As we know, Husk has VERY strong personal boundaries (probably some of them come from Alastor's touch itself)

Alastor trespassing his boundaries is what makes Husk stop thinking logically. He's pissed, and he hates Alastor, and he hates how he makes him feel so powerless, so insignificant, like less of a human.

And he bites back.

The comment I saw implied that Husk said the "big talk for someone who's also on a leash" because he thought it wouldn't have any major effect on Alastor, and he unknowingly touched a touchy subject.

But this is even slightly out of character for Husk. He didn't say it because he didn't think it would make Alastor mad, he said it because he knew it would make him mad.

Husk is fucking amazing at reading people. He knew it was a touchy subject. He wasn't thinking about consequences, he was thinking about pissing Alastor off, about regaining control.

(He's a gambler, cmon. Searching for control and power without minding the consequences is his thing.)

This is NOT a "what the fuck is he doing?" face. It's an "oh no, not again" face.

And immediately, he tries to take it back. The rush of making Alastor mad passes away the moment he pulls out the chain, and Husk knows what's coming.

Alastor has done that before. Judging by Husk's body language, there's NO way on earth he hasn't.

One VERY important thing to take into account is: victims have personalities.

Of course, victims tend to have unifying factors in their trauma responses due to similar experiences, but overall: a victim isn't an archetype, it's a person.

There are different types of abuse. Everyone reacts differently towards abuse.

Saying that Husk isn't being abused by Alastor just because he talks back is. Well. Kinda weird, isn't it?

(Maybe I'm exaggerating but doesn't it sound like victim blaming a bit??)

The important thing is that this is how Valentino and Alastor treat Angel and Husk:

Yes, they are different types of abuse. Yes, Angel and Husk's reactions to it are different.

But this doesn't make one kind less valid than the other. And just because Alastor isn't sexually abusive to Husk, that doesn't mean Husk's abuse is "less important" (this isn't a competition, ffs)

Husk's personality, Husk's hatred of stupidity, Husk's reactive nature, Husk's strong boundaries, don't automatically disappear when he's talking with his abuser. He's still Husk.

And yet, we can still see the signs of abuse, such as Husk holding back at the beginning because he knows what Alastor may do if he's mad, or him flinching away slightly when Alastor turns suddenly to look at him, or him trying to take back what he just said immediately because he's scared of the consequences.

And, let's be serious. Alastor is a serial killer. He enjoys watching people suffer. He enjoys knowing that people fear him.

And, since he's on a "leash", as Husk said, I'm very sure this hurts his ego a whole lot. So, it makes sense that he loves feeling that he has control over the souls he owns, that they fear him, to forget he's not completely free himself.

It's not so far fetched to assume that Alastor gets a quick and an ego boost out of seeing Husk like that, terrified and shivering on the ground. So I don't believe he hasn't done it before.

(And I mean, even if this only happened the one time we see it in the show, it would still be abusive?? It would be Alastor using his power to physically and psychologically torment Husk, which is abuse, even if it's only once ((which i highly doubt)))

In conclusion: Alastor is an abuser. There's no way around it. And Husk is a victim of abuse.

Sorry this got long SLKDS

Tbh I think everything I said here is pretty obvious?? Like to me that scene always read as a way of the show telling us Alastor's true colors once no one's watching, and the way he treats Husk. Like, it didn't even cross my mind that it might have been an isolated occurrence.

But the comment had around 50 upvotes so?? Idk I just wanted to rant about this lmao

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wtf is wrong with you... nerissa is the only person who has sane interpretations of the prophecies nowadays

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LOL nerissa and sane in the same sentence? that chick is a basketcase

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shut the fuck up dickwad

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oopsies sorry your highness

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dont apologize to her lmfao she doesn't even believe in the propecies anymore🙄

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as she should???? stop licking sandwich's boots he's been dead for 400 slutty years

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HELLO. he literally founded the city we live in?????? how dense can u be ffs

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colonizer, he was, colonizer

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u tell em temp

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y'all how did we get here lmfao i was just stating an opinion 😭

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[ifdragonscouldtalk]

"Stolas is also just using Blitzo! They're both in the wrong!" im fucking sorry have we been watching the same backstory episodes.... at what fucking point does blitzo discourage stolas thinking what they have is something more than a guy wanting to steal something? and at what point has stolas realized that blitzo was using him all along, even back when they were children. His first friend, the first person who actually "showed interest" in sex with him, the first person who genuinely protected him, someone who also has a daughter and shows interest in his, blitzo TOOK HIM ON A FUCKING DATE. Hate me if you want but ffs i am a stolas apologist forever, fuck yall

[silliest-basilisk]

figured i'd share some thoughts on the season 2 finale of our flag means death and the death of [REDACTED]. spoilers ahead

so like. um. i am #1 izzy hands fan and apologist so obviously im very sad that he died. i cried. i dont like it because he's been my favourite since season 1 and i dont like it for some narrative reasons. mainly i think its the fact that his death was all about ed???? he spent the last moments of his life apologizing to and comforting ed, and on a narrative level, his death was just used to further ed's character arc. i dont think that his death made his growth from earlier in the season meaningless - it is a strong belief of mine that good things are always worth it and always matter, even if they dont last long. but i wish izzy's death were his. that he got to talk to the rest of the crew before he went. i wish the crew replaced that broken unicorn statue on the revenge with a tribute to him, so that while his grave was with ed, his spirit stayed with the revenge (seriously, it seemed like such an obvious thing to do, i fully expected that last pan over the ship to reveal an izzy tribute??? he's their new unicorn ffs) anyway yeah i dont know how to end this. those are my thoughts.

[cdroloisms]

maybe im misreading things

but jsam is kinda into psam right

is he into dilfs

is the only reason hes repulsed by ffsam is that dream is the reason of his dilf status

PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE u have no idea how funny this ishelp

okay so. for the record, a little bit. but the REAL dilfhunter in the birdhouse is ff!sam, yeah unironically he's beating out j!dream in this one. ff!sam loves samcest (probably to deal with how his attraction to dream is weird as hell considering the child thing) and has been hooking up with j!Sam for like, forever like before he starts doing anything with j!Dream involved. so when p!Sam arrives ff!Sam would reeeeeally like to get it on while j!Sam is too busy whining about how he's a dream apologist it's a real turn off.

j!sam/p!sam is really evil it kinda only happens in evil timelines 😭 it takes a lot for them to overcome their whole fundamental disagreements over dream thing. though there is one timeline where they get more involved together mostly bc j!sam thinks ff!sam is being too much of a freak aSD:JFKLAJSFJ

[proudfreakmetarusonikku]

I would be fine debating with cdream apologists except they litterally think cdream didnt do anyhtimg severely bad??? I Am seeing so many people say exile was bullying and not abuse oh ffs im at a limit

BULLYING IS ABUSE THOUGH?

when ur so desperate to defend ur blorbo you accidentally discount real life common forms of abuse and harassment

[wrightmourmarriage]

number 1 rick apologist on the scene here to tell anon that i don't really agree with this, im really tired so ill deliver this in bullet points

rick did come back after lying to syd, that's like, the main part of the quote?? from the syd barrett + pink floyd story / dark globe:

the reason why rick had to lie to him was because a) they had already tried giving him time off, going to a doctor, etc and it didn't work, so the band had to fend for themselves b) as he said above, whatever state syd was in he'd have come if rick said he was going to play - an incident before rick started lying to syd meant that they had to cut a gig early because syd could barely stand up on stage, let alone play anything (excerpt below from the same book)

rick had expressed regret and guilt for lying to syd whenever he told this story, something you can pretty clearly see in the excerpt the story comes from. by contrast roger has not only not expressed any kind of remorse, he refuses to accept what he did was wrong at all - excerpt from this article on the production of the wall

half of the reason why people aren't as hard on the band regarding syd in comparison to how roger treated rick is the context; if you're a mid-20 something in the late 60s, you don't know what the long term effects of LSD use or schizophrenia really is, nobody can explain what's happening to not only your friend but the person who helps pay your bills, you're confused, you don't know what else you can do but you need to keep yourself afloat - and the only way to ensure that your next gig is going to be somewhat profitable is making sure there isn't someone detuning their guitar midway through the set. the options rick had available was either lying to someone who already seemed out of it or risking not making rent next month for the both of you. neither are good but ultimately it was the best option he had for both of them.

by contrast, while there definitely was a similar financial imperative to making sure the production of the wall went as quickly and as smoothly as possible, the issues between roger and rick weren't solely about production as people claim them to be. roger knew what depression looked like (he was literally making The Wall ffs) and he still chose not only to further isolate rick, he did so in an unnecessarily cruel way. ginger gilmour claims this in her memoir -

and this is furthered by bob ezrin's observations as he was producing the wall, from the same wall article as above -

the problem isn't that "roger kicked out my fave >:(", at least from every rick fan I've spoken to, it's the way he went about it that makes it a lot less forgivable than rick lying. were they both in a desperate situation trying to seek some financial security that sometimes meant having to do things that they wouldn't normally do? yes. did roger express any guilt like how rick did with syd? no. the cruelty is the issue people take the most offense to. if other options to actually help rick were explored first, and if roger even attempted to show slight guilt about the whole thing, it would be closer to the situation with syd - but that's just not true. rick definitely has his flaws, im willing to say other ppl will back me up here when i say i have my own criticisms of him, but i don't think it's fair to make that comparison when the situations were both very different

i hope this doesn't come across as too apologistic or trying to shut down any convo about it, i more or less wanted to get further into the topic than what the confession could really portray, and whoever anon is i don't blame them for thinking that way + holding that belief; i just don't think said belief holds any water when presented with the evidence ive seen. im happy to reevaluate my own perspective if anyone can present something that challenges it! ok im gonna go eat now bye

I see people demonize roger for the way he treated rick and say things like “it’s not right to throw out your bandmate just because they are struggling with mental health”. which is completely valid. and I agree. but did rick not regularly tell syd he was “going to get cigarettes” and then leave him without coming back. I’m not saying rick deserved to be thrown out or that it’s karma. I am just saying neither should be demonized.

[nt-corporation]

me reading people's opinions on tumblr trying to justify why people hating on sakura makes sense:

[freedmfighter]

wuddup I’m Jet, 16, and I never learned how to fucking read <3

[quartzfia]

astral beings

a main fic & a side one within universe : )

smp! canon, prison break, 

- solar system

“Where were you?” He whispered, wanting, no, aching for George to take off his goggles and let him read him. Let him pour into his pages and devour him, like they were so close to doing behind locked doors in what was previously their kingdom. “I think the bigger question is where were you, Dream,”

Or, in which George visits Dream in prison and neither truly understood each other.

2 chapters, 9.3k words, finished

- never ever

Images of the walls caving in, and hoards of people swarming their piece of the Earth to rip them to shred, pulling and damaging the magnetic pull between the two, ripping, ripping, ripping, cold, cold, cold, cold- “Georgie?” A soft voice mumbled, as the strong arms around him tightened.

1.5k words

[starlitwitchofthetidelands]

ough bestie idk

i'd say the hound one, bc its wildly dehumanising. WTF. Why'd he say that about his brother. seriously wtf. it's also really stupid, bro why you terrorising your brother get back to your castle. all they did is make an arse of Aegon ii's character

*i previously thought the above quote was Alicent and Cole, whoops. it's Aemond and the madame. my bad lol*

But they're all so damn stupid and humiliating, im done

also "the child is dead his pain is done" i seem to recall book Alicent wishing to bathe in her enemies' blood and s1 Alicent a) usurping the throne and b) rushing Rhaenyra and Lucerys with a Valyrian steel dagger in response to Aemond's eye being cut out? only for her to feel so blasé about Jaehaerys' murder by Daemon's assassins?

then there's that infernal dog of Cheese's

I don't care. I really don't. All my sympathies to the poor animal for having such a bloody loser for an owner, but that aside, nope.

If I wanted to see a dog have that much screen time, I'd be watching Paw Patrol or something of the like.

Helaena, my Queen, why did they make you a spoiler machine. why?

"eh she's the only good Green and so hates evil no good very bad Aemond" all they did was annoy me and make me love Aemond more bc he is the only consistent one (my Aemond Targaryen apologist era is here). And I adore Helaena, so this change sucks. I thought if she foresaw his death, she'd try to stop him. he's her baby brother ffs.

A little dishonourable mention before I go, because this post is way too bloody long and for that I apologise, that line of Aegon's about his ykw exploding.

it doesn't make any fucking sense. he can't walk if that happened. and why the need to say it? it's so DUMB. OUGH. And they could have had Aegon damn Rhaenyra, Daemon, hell, even Aemond but no he's talking about how hard it is to take a piss.

alright. im done.

[jagopolis]

I saw the Class 74 trio on my dash today and I just wanted to let you know it made me very happy

Good! Good. Class 74 trio is phenomenal. They should get more recognition from the fandom, but. Well, maybe it's for the best they don't glorify them.

Thing is I really like the Future Foundation and find it to be a very interesting organization in the canon lore, but also severely underutilized and relegated by most to "oh, they wanted to kill class 77B, therefore we don't like them."

For so long Future Foundation was the only thing standing between Remnants and human survival, just by looking at their branches you can tell they put great resources into trying to repair the damage done by the Tragedy. I am yet to read the Killer Killer manga tho, and I think it elaborates on some stuff.

Anyway. Future Foundation cool. Class 74 cool. I'd let Munakata stab me. Good day.

[triifox]

boi if i see one more post shaming people for being excited for pokemon on my dash im gonna go apeshit

[ghostdrinkssoup]

and we’re back with another hannibal notes/reactions (s1 ep7) except it’s just the silly goofy ones:

why does will talk about the ripper with such reverence 😭

gotta love the camera coming out the throat

why is hannibal acting so cute I want to crush him in my fist

franklyn is a weirdo but maybe I’m a franklyn apologist hannibal brings out the inner weirdo in people </3

hannibal is so phantom coded he wants to be the phantom soooo bad

HANNIBAL’S FACIAL EXPRESSIONS HE’S SO PUT OFF BY FRANKLYN FR

tobias casually outing franklyn like that’s the first red flag 🚩

the lingering look hannibal gives tobias… killer sees killer (but also it’s flirtatious as helllll gay sees gay)

JUST REMEMBERED BEDELIA APPEARS IN THIS EPISODE I’M BLUSHING AND TWIRLING MY HAIR <333

will is so babygirl this episode idk what it is maybe it’s the hair

will is like u don’t know him like I do (the ripper, who he has never technically met)

I kinda wanna see that church kill. sounds slay

franklyn is in his parasocial arc someone grab the “I am not your friend” meme

hannibal is honest but not honest I fucking hate him *holds him so gently*

“I have friends” WHO KING WHO

hannibal is grinning, moving around, so openly animated and childlike around will. he’s got the biggest crush too oh dear

“especially for evening appointments 😊💖🫶”

they are literally on a date hello

HE LOOKS AT WILL SO FONDLY killing myself

NOT WILL LAUGHING AT THE IDEA OF HANNIBAL HAVING FRIENDS TAKE THE L ?????

hannibal rlly dropping all the hints for no reason 😭 also not him licking his lips I want to ask mads mikkelsen what was going through his little mind when he did this

there’s no way the writers were unaware how gay they made this right ?? like there’s no way

I can allow this murder. mans was rude as hell and homophobic. it’s basically justice 🤷‍♀️

*whispers* the beer is people alana

hannibal flirting with alana to find out more about will okayyyy

love hannibal going on a murder spree and making a feast he’s going wild going stupid crazy

why do I find him so endearing </3

WILL DOESN’T SHOW UP AND THE MUSIC IS SUDDENLY SO DRAMATIC PLEASEEE

hannibal was so excited to open the door and see will whyyy *head in hands*

I’m crying the way the desk is lit like a dramatic spotlight as hannibal sits alone, checking the appointments

meanwhile will is vividly hallucinating 😭

“it’s better that it’s just the two of us” immediately being followed by hannibal saying will’s name SHUT UPPPP

CAN’T BELIEVE HANNIBAL WENT TO FIND WILL THAT IS SUCH A LONG DRIVE

hannibal would’ve killed anyone else for this let’s be real but with will he’s like 🥺 don’t be sorry baby it’s okay

hannibal invented cancel culture

maybe im in love with beverly katz maybe it’s maybelline

“where’s will graham?” idk flirting with his psychiatrist again probably

“this is very educational” literally shut up 😭

the look THE LOOK

ICONIC

tfw you see your hot psychiatrist put his hands in another man 😳🥵

“are you sure you can’t stay?” I’m crying brb

WILL BROUGHT WINE :((((

“I don’t think I would be good company” “I disagree” AAAAAAAAA

hannibal just ask him out ffs

“I have a date with the chesapeake ripper” hannibal is screaming internally and so am I

the little smile will gives him :(( naur :((

“nothing here is vegetarian” I hate you so much please seek help 💖🚩

[woomycritiques543]

(TW: SA, Rape, Cannibalism, leak mentions.)

Ah, I understand, thanks for apologizing.

Im just used to people going “WHY ARE YOU SAYING ____ DONT INSULT MY BLORBO” thats all. As for the show, I wouldn’t assume subversion when this is the same show that’s going to have angels named after vaginas and a villain with the subtly of a toothpick despite the fact that the show is meant to have loads of “depth” but only does so for pitty points instead of looking at things from both sides.

Like in HB: you got stella, a racist who owns imp slaves being all “>:)” but then Stolas, another racisr who owns imp slaves, being shipped with the race he discriminates and going “🥺” all the time. Stella getting demonized just because she dislikes one of Viv’s blorbos, and the blorbo gets “🥺” when he’s equally as horrible. So do you expect them to suddenly know how write a show about development and accountability when they couldn’t even do it with Helluva Boss, something that was written recently that the creators refuse to improve, especially since it’s gotten only WORSE with time? To assume that it’s going to be subversive just because it’s another show, when the shows are from the same creator, doesn’t make sense.

As a poc, for me Hazbin just comes off as a white savior story that only depicts what a character is as “bad faith” for the audience to hate that character, but gives any main character the “🥺” treatment despite them being just as awful. Adam is a mysognist who likes killing people, but so is Angel Dust.

So why should I see one as “good faith/root-able” while the other one as a “complete monster” when both seem to have people that they care about (for Adam: to an extent…) and either way, both are genocidal murderers that are creeps? It gives the message that someone “deserves” to be rewarded just because they changed for THEMSELVES and not because they actually want to, especially since in HB, a show with the same exact kind of message, the show depicts their bad behavior as “charming” to the point where it’s not even really showing it as “bad” anymore and they still literally get away with murder, out of the blue, and aren’t pushed enough to change just because the writers say so, and they also, like Angel, make it so its just “They’re traumatized, so you should root for them to change for A REWARD and be rewarded by said superficial development despite being racist, mysogynistic sexually harassing serial killers!” instead of the nuanced “You should change for you, but also should be to help others because it’s the right thing to do. Oh yeah, and a sexual harasser shouldn’t go to Heaven, that shit doesn’t suddenly go away just because they go “UWU” and have a “UWU” backstory. They’re still terrible, people don’t actually change if it’s for a reward, it’s superficial change, and there’s just some behaviors that stick to people for life if it’s severe enough. Have some boundaries ffs!” ,

The main goal of the “Happy Hotel!” is to have people change for an award. Even Katie acknowledges this with “You want people to change- just because?!” But then the show DEMONIZES her for saying this- when she was right?! Charlie wants people to suddenly change after years of being sexual predators and serial killers. -and for Hazbin and HB to suddenly give this “Anyone can change! Just BRIBE THEM! What could go wrong? -and if they’re traumatized, give them some slack even if they’re a creep, they’ll change eventually just CHILLL! Stay with your abuser! What could go wrong?!” Is a terrible message to give people!

Especially when there’s abuse victims who have “apologist” issues because of their abuser weaponizing their trauma to guilt them into staying. All of Vivziepop’s shows so far is the literal definition of guilt tripping.

Weaponizing Stolas and Blitz’s trauma so they can do as much horrible things to people and each other but still get together just because “they’re sad and traumatized!” and “but they can get the booty if they change!” just because the creators dont actually want them to change in the first place, but to be eventually rewarded after an entire show of just awful behavior without real consequences to bring them to actually change.

Hazbin Hotel, on the other hand, having a premise that’s even worse because it REVOLVES around weaponizing trauma to guilt trip you into wanting to give serial killers, racists, rapists, and abusers rewards for their behavior by having them suddenly change out of nowhere just because “the white savior” of the story used Heaven to bribe them into doing so. So unless the show suddenly realizes that these “bottom of the barrel” people dont deserve eternal paradise just because they were BRIBED into changing and changes it’s entire premise out of nowhere, it’s doomed to fail as a message because it will just be “I KNOW THAT THESE ARE RAPISTS AND MURDERERS BUT THEY’LL CHANGE! Just- give them a season, and they’ll change right away because there’s Heaven to look forward to!” The creators even went “were coining hell!” when these characters are just a bunch of gay stereotypes in Hell, so it’s not even proving homophobes wrong either which is why THOUSANDS of homophobes love Hazbin Hotel and HB on 4chan!

It’s toxic positivity, all of it. Even from the premise alone. People don’t deserve to be rewarded just because you bribed them into changing, and they don’t deserve to be rewarded just because they were traumatized either. It’s like giving a kid candy after breaking all your dishes- on purpose! -just because they decided to cry or pat you on the back for said candy. Not because they care about you, but JUST BECAUSE they wanted candy.

Which is an AWFUL MESSAGE to give not just to trauma victims- but to anyone!

There’s thousands of fans going “People deserve to be cheated on!” just because of how Stella is depicted in comparison to Stolas, and people who want Husk and Angel together, just because Angel is “sometimes sad and sympathetic” when Angel Dust SEXUALLY HARASSED HIM and just to make it worse, the show presented this as being “sex positive” when this is a TERRIBLE WAY TO PRESENT SEX WORKERS in a world where people still see sex workers as “creeps” and think that sex work and trafficking are “the same thing.”

It weaponizes trauma as an excuse for Vivziepop’s ocs to not be given any true consequences for their actions, and it gives the message that full on change should “only” happen with a reward. I don’t need to watch Hazbin Hotel to see why it’s premise, and the show itself, is going to be awful because the toxic positivity is RIGHT THERE in the premise alone! Even more so with how awful the character “development” is handled with there being more trauma weaponizing and even less accountability than Hazbin- which is saying something, since Hazbin’s premise revolves around changing for mostly bribes instead of actually feeling “bad” and to weaponize trauma as an excuse to get said reward.

So it’s interesting how you say that Hazbin Hotel will be subversive, when the premise alone reveals that it’s going to have the same problem as Helluva Boss just by having a show where the main thing is to weaponize trauma again and to reward serial killers, racists, and cannibals with “eternal paradise” just because skinny white girl “savior!” Mcgee is going to “CHANGE THEM FOR THE BETTER!” when she’s the literal incarnation of a toxically positive TikTok girl who says that “It’ll be ok! DONT CRY! and everyone can change!”

So again.

Unless the show suddenly changes it’s ENTIRE PREMISE and also STOPS doing the “its ok to be rewarded for your behavior and to stay with your abuse victims if your abuse looks “cute!” and you had trauma, get cut some slack!” bullshit- Hazbin’s screwed!

The writing doesnt have moral bounderies.

People are rooted for to be “end game” just because, and they are also to get a reward for “changing” just because they changed for said reward. Because sure, they changed, but not FOR their friends or family, but to escape a punishment for their own actions since they’re in Hell, when the reason they’re in Hell in the first place is because they’re awful.

They’re in Hell for a reason, yet instead of thinking of other ways to solve the issue, like the tiktok cupcake Charlie is, she goes through with the hotel anyway when if you actually think about it for more than a few seconds…

The plan is just as stupid as it sounds!

-and if things were “nuanced” instead of oc favoring, Charlie’s hotel would fail, and the show would have the mcs lose because they’re TERRIBLE PEOPLE who are only wanting to change for a bribe from a “princess of Hell” who thinks of morality like a 5 year old when she’s 100+ years old and should clearly know better from age alone, but is made to have no brain for plot convenience-

So I don’t even need to watch Hazbin to know that it will be bad because since Viv doesnt think much before she writes:

THE ENTIRE PREMISE BEHIND HAZBIN makes no sense!

It’s just “Toxic Positivity “I can be as shitty as I want but can be rewarded at the last second just because “IM SOWWY”, not because I actually feel bad, so i can get a reward after being a murderous creep!”

Which could have been good if this was intentional, but it’s not! Helluva Boss roots for Stolas and Blitz, two people who rape each other, to be together just because “uwu trauma!” and for Charlie to “prove her haters wrong!” just because she’s the protagonist!

-Vivziepop herself having tons of toxic positivity, her standom too, so the show was actually doomed to be terrible from the start because it’s a show written by a terrible person who REFUSES to change from her anti-blackism with Alastor and over overall toxic behavior for the past years. So after examining the premise for the first time in years, wow, Vivziepop really hasnt changed at all!

The toxic positivity is still in full swing!

The entire premise of Hazbin Hotel is:

“Inside every demon is a rainbow!”

It’s Toxic Positivity: The Show.

When “demons”, are the bottom of the barrel, and even if they have some morals, should you give them a chance just because they want to be rewarded for it! NO! They’re still awful, and them having a “sad life” doesnt make them any less terrible than ANOTHER person just because the only person (Adam or Stella) doesnt have said “UwU!” backstory!

They’re ALL TERRIBLE PEOPLE and the fact that a show like this is going to be streamed to a public full of abuse victims who will see this and likely go “Wow! My abuser is sad too, I should stay with them!” seeing how it’s gotten to a point where people are now literally saying that “Some people deserve to be cheated on” or “Give a abuser some slack, they’re tryinnnnnng!” instead of “Be the bigger person, dont betray someone’s trust and be an asshole yourself just because your wife sucks!” Or “Some relationships are so bad that it’s not meant to be-”

The fact that Vivziepop is encouraging these REAL lack of boundaries with the messages of her shows is horrifying!

People are taking these messages, and actually applying them to how they live.

THAT’S HORRIFYING!

So thank you, because I didnt realize just how terrible Hazbin’s premise was until you mentioned all this to me, and also just how awful Helluva Boss is, and how much that’s going to effect Hazbin since the premise alone is akin to Helluva Boss’s issues. I actually keep forgetting that they’re from the same writers too honestly- lmao, im even more excited now this is show is going to be awful! ❤️

So both shows, from the same writer, from premise alone, send the message that someone “deserves” to be rewarded for their behavior just because they “changed” for that reward or because they had trauma.

Which clearly- is an AWFUL message.

But Vivienne didn’t think much into it, so we got: “A character trying to redeem demons, who are in Hell foe a reason, and trying to get them to change, not for the good of others, but just to benefit her getting her parent’s approval, and for them to be rewarded with eternal paradise right after being CANNIBALS and RACISTS and SERIAL KILLERS and RAPISTS!” Again, there’s no boundaries here and the writers arw rewarding these characters just because they like them, not because they actually deserve it, and weaponizing the trauma of these characters so the audience doesn’t just see them as better faith than they actually are, but just as an excuse to give them a “HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY!” reward to some extent, or any happy ending at all (unless Vivziepop actually takes a risks and has a sad ending where they stay in Hell because they’re actions were THAT bad that they don’t get to Heaven and Charlie learns MORAL BOUNDARIES where she realizes that not everyone deserves redemption or will suddenly turn a new leaf just because you bribe them with a chance to go to Heaven. , which would be actually nuanced… but I doubt that she’ll take that risk.)

What ive been trying to say is…

Vivziepop isnt going to stop being “Vivziepop” just because Hazbin Hotel is slightly newer.

We’ve seen how she reacts to criticism, and Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel were written at the exact same time period of Viv’s life, so your entire argument falls apart just from Helluva Boss’s existence alone! A show, that turned out to be awful, and was written at the EXACT SAME TIME as Hazbin Hotel!

-and the problem is that you’re giving this show way too much credit before it’s even premiered when all of the episodes of Helluva Boss that are coming out the same time as Hazbin Hotel are awful- and we already know that it’s going to be bad, not just because of the leaks but because HB and H are from the same creators, and the premise alone is a TOXIC MESS that shouldn’t have been published, in the first place, and should have stayed on the drawing board before anyone got hurt by this franchise’s awful messages.

So you want to know why I don’t have hope in Hazbin Hotel’s writing? Four Words-

VIVZIEPOP is the writer.

That is a lot of discourse for a fandom that only has one full episode huh?

[slightly-gay-pogohammer]

yall: vriska acts like this bc of her culture tavros is such a weenie shes my princess i want her to step on me

dammek: hey

yall: [kill bill sirens]