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valeriefauxnom · 1 year ago

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How Euden Was Primed To Have Identity Crises Even Before Nedrick (Or: Yet Another Very Long Analysis As To Why Euden Is More Messed Up Than He Appears)

Did you know that the whole plot point of Euden not being the actual 7th scion was decided by Okada? Yeah. Make of that what you will that that one decision impacted the whole trajectory of the story, but I'm sure to many it helps explain the transition from a more typical story about royal family infighting and rescuing siblings from demonic possession to identity crises and fighting God(s).

Surprisingly enough, though, I'd argue that Euden would be in hot water whether or not he was the 'real' 7th scion or not!

The very long and short of it ties back to my long dives here on Tumblr which explored just how ridiculously self sacrificial Euden is and how his behavior is a problem, but in this analysis I'm going to narrow in on another of his problems under the giant self sacrifice umbrella he is constantly lugging about.

As the title says, I'm going to be looking at how Euden might have had an incoming identity crisis even before Nedrick popped in to say 'hi' even if he did kickstart it in the worst way possible.

First, I'd like to establish Euden's complete lack of 'selfish' motives. Everything he does or wants tends to trail back for others.

It's started even before canon: Euden only knows how to play piano was because his father made him take lessons, eventually he decided to continue just so he wouldn't disappoint King Dad (read: Aurelius, in contrast to King Dork, Alberius, in a set of nicknames me and WillOfWinnie maintain for the fam).

He seems more personally invested in practicing the violin but maintains his study of piano just to please his father.

Then there's the very start of the game, in which he only really struck out because Aurelius and the kingdom needed him to. Personally, he wasn't interested in pacting (as he is trying to remain nonthreatening to his siblings, capitulating to their supposed 'desires' of their security) or gaining the right to the throne, but he set out regardless.

Other than that I really just have to wave vaguely to all his motives throughout the entire game+side stories. Despite how he frames them all as 'selfish' they aren't actually serving him beyond emotional fulfillment in that he thinks it's the right thing to do and make him feel good.

Forming a kingdom and establishing himself as leader? That's to protect the people fleeing the empire and establishing order instead of a quick power grab. He's a very passive ruler when it comes to ruling via traditional means and mostly seems to run the Halidom in a 'don't cause too many problems or else you'll end up in my therapy class' philosophy.

Rescuing Zethia? Well, there's... many reasons for that, not least of which freeing her and thus the people from the Other's tyranny, which is another of his goals that are for the people instead of him. Besides, one of his base form's lines is: "I've grieved and grown with Zethia. She needs me." Keep that last bit in mind...

This gets pointed out in Luca's dialogue nearly verbatim in 18:

This leads to the second point of my overall argument: Euden has few things he then can characterize himself with. Most people have some sort of individual dream or trait they view as intrinsic to them. Whether it's 'I want to be the best x ever' or 'I'm very x, personality wise' we have certain markers, no matter of how well conscious they are to our actual behavior, that we use to try and keep in touch with ourselves.

But Euden's goals, so wrapped up in other people and for other people means he's lacking some of the common methods people use to define and drive themselves. Combine that with his surprisingly low self esteem I've also addressed, Euden doesn't really seem to have many of the typical means to keep in touch with himself.

So, how does Euden keep track of who Euden is and what Euden should do?

What all these other people think of him and his actions. And other people in general.

What's one of the first things to start getting to him in his hallucination?

What's the reason he's trying to stay strong for even after everyone abandons him in his hallucination? That's right: other people, instead of any of his own real drives. He can't let other people's hopes and dreams go to waste.

"Now wait a minute," you, the hypothetical viewer I am creating to discuss with in my head as if this were a Socratic circle, say, "This is from chapter 18, after Nedrick popped up. His identity crisis was already in bloom there."

Yes, but for a big point to demonstrate that this is not a recent insecurity or tendency brought up as Nedrick reemerged, look to chapter 13 before that whole plotline. This is not a recent development, and the 'title drop' moment of this analysis: even before Nedrick, Euden has a pattern of behavior and way of thinking that set him up for identity crises because he has no strong foundation of self that's not tied to others.

"Ed" Beren why did you choose 'Ed' as a fake name instantly identified this weak spot in Euden's mind to start prodding at it.

I think it's relatively fair to say a decent chunk of people's initial response to being told they were not needed would be a feeling of indignation and sadness, depending on how close they were. Euden's?

One could argue that this is a form of indignation, 'prove them wrong', but notably any of the standard 'ha! I am needed, loser' anger-driven vehemence to protect one's self esteem isn't there. He's trying to prove his usefulness...to live up to his family and his duty to serve. Again, external things he has imposed on himself. It isn't out of vengeance to prove himself to get back at whoever the rude person is, it's an attempt to make others realize he still has a use to them.

Beren, keen as ever, notices this weakness in turn, that the big chunk of his indignation is to prove the worthiness of his dragonblood and as prince and prods that.

The essence of this conversation boils down to Euden admitting that he derives a great deal of his own self-worth, goals, and general identity from others. They are what keep him tethered.

What pride he takes in himself more comes from things like possessing the legacy of dragonblood: he feels the need to live up to Alberius' and Aurelius' legacies. That others need him. Remember his ardent claim earlier how 'Zethia needs [him]?' While it by itself more broadly fits into the slow quest people gradually undertook in Dragalia to get the two of them more independent and less mutually overprotective, it also is an example of how he's anchoring himself to what others need instead of himself.

He derives identity on what others ascribe to him: 7th scion, son of Aurelius, dragonblood, Prince... these traits are what give him that framework to define his life around. He needs to practice the sword to be strong, to then fulfill his duties as prince, so on and so forth, etc.

It's a big chunk of the reason why Nedrick's revelation hits him so hard. I've seen some people misunderstand (at least, in my book) that Euden's unhinged reaction to Nedrick's claims is because he believes shared blood is the ultimate determinate of family and that he's just really upset that he thinks now all the time spent growing up was meaningless. No, he seems perfectly fine accepting others of atypical family structures.

What was really getting him, aside from the whole 'core facts of your life have been lies', is that so much of what he's tied together- this duty, most everything he's done in the past year+, -is falling apart. Euden himself essentially calls up this whole issue in the moment:

"Who am I" is suddenly now a valid question because the biggest traits he's used to characterize himself and guide his entire modus operandi has been ripped to shreds. It's the meaning behind what those labels meant to him that makes having them ripped away hurt that much more rather than the labels themselves causing the fit.

There it is again: Euden has a deep need to feel needed. And yes, most of us do to some degree, but I think and hope I've demonstrated in this post that he is a bit too dependent on this need to drive him. As Luca later hallucinates the genocide and complete destruction of his new village as what he fears, Euden's instead revolves around abandonment and being unneeded. And these run deep enough that Euden wasn't showing any sign of being able to break through on his own and likely would have died if not for Luca's intervention.

We also see this darkly demonstrated whenever Euden thinks he is truly alone. Even in as late canon as Bondforged Euden, he has this reaction to thinking every single person and dragon he fought for is dead:

All I can say here is that he's essentially (and possibly literally, I don't know) lying down, ready to let fiends maul him to death with no more struggle, which is...concerning. Before in the Ch.18 hallucination he was adamant about continuing because the others had their dreams...but now that they are 'dead' he's giving up life itself.

Even in Halloween Mym's fantasies, which are notably more closer to the core components of Euden's actual behavior (selflessness, deference to elder siblings, etc) now that she's had more time to get to know him, the vaguely southern, tough-but-sweet-on-the-inside orphan imagining of him immediately is ready to, guess what? Let himself be mauled to death by a fiend because he thinks Mym's dead and he sees no further point in living. I'm sensing a pattern with how Euden chooses to go out-

Ahem. Anyways, the point is that when Euden thinks his sources of motivation and those who need him, who gave him meaning are gone, he himself sees no more need to live either. While it certainly wasn't helped by Nedrick, this is an overall pattern to his motives and personality that existed before, too.

And it's a dangerous one in its own right, even aside from how it again falls under the 'selfless' umbrella that overhangs all his more specific problems. (Honestly, 'selfless' almost takes on its own meaning in this context, not in the sense of being willing to throw one's self onto the pyre for another, but in the sense he has no true internal drive to characterize himself. Maybe why Nedrick+Beren's no.1 go-to insult is calling him hollow? He 'rings hollow' to them and needs to find meaning and drive to fill the gap elsewhere).

Please do take this next bit with the tiniest grain of salt, as somebody who merely has taken an abnormal psych+a few other psych classes in college, but he almost seems to start showing shades of something not quite Borderline Personality Disorder or Dependent Personality Disorder. While I don't actually think he meets many/enough of the criteria for either one, nor am I wanting to play armchair psychologist and get on a whole 'x has y disorder!!!' thing some people do and unintentionally diminish the significance of what y disorder is to those who have it, he still has shades of what we would start to consider clinical degrees of dysfunction.

For the former, one of the big facets of BPD is the fear of abandonment. While, again, he doesn't show some of the other core traits like 'splitting', ie, having rapid mood swings of idealizing others and demonizing them the next, his frantic desperation to avoid abandonment lines up. So too is the tendency to feel 'lost' and 'empty', as well as his trouble identifying himself. Again, for every 1 thing that lines up well, 3 other things don't, but it still is an interesting connection, I think.

Dependent Personality Disorder also doesn't fit him for similarly many reasons. It shares the fear of abandonment, but Euden doesn't particularly struggle to decide what to do- he knows what he has to do to fulfill the duties his roles have placed on him- nor does he feel completely helpless without someone to 'take care' of him. As I've long discussed, he's more of the 'desperately seeking to take care of others' type. But it he does have other few shades, as his tendency to submit to other's wills and efforts not to aggravate them.

Again: this is not even worth 2 cents. It simply sets my eyebrows rising a bit when I linked up just how intense his behavior patterns are to concepts like the 4 D's and those disorders in my pattern-seeking monkey brain trying to hammer square pegs into round holes.

The 4 D's, as I recall, were a guideline in determining normal behaviors or quirks from actual, diagnosable, 'yep this is a Problem' disorders. They are Danger, Deviance, Distress, and Dysfunction. Danger is easy: is it dangerous to one's self or others? Deviance: is the behavior(s/thoughts/etc notably atypical compared to cultural standards? Distress, is the behavior causing marked distress in one's or other's lives? Dysfunction, does it markedly interfere with living a normal life or fulfilling one's daily tasks? I could see an argument for all 4.

I think what I intended by bringing this up is simply to stress just how disruptive his behaviors are. No, he does not have BPD (bipolar or borderline!), nor does he have DPD. But the fact he shares quite a few qualities that are considered atypical enough to be symptomatic is, again, a testament to how concerning and dangerous he would be in real life.

In any case, I really do need to wrap this up since I've danced around my points long enough. If you've suffered along for this long, especially combined with my other long dissections into what I believe is the hidden dark side of the moon to Euden's character, thank you. I hope you've found some of this interesting, at least!

#dragalia lost #dragalia #character analysis #dragalia analysis #You may not believe it but I do think about other things aside from Dragalia. I can just type very fast and like showing off sources haha #Anyways Euden is like those bodies of water that look still but are churning with swift currents underneath that trap and kill. to me.#These are also a way for me to record some assortments of discussions and Thoughts I've had with my best friend so I don't forget!#But I genuinely do hope you have found some interest or 'wow I forgot about x moment' in these!#In my defense for these unhinged analyses: I gotta upkeep my supposed renown keeping characters IC when writing!

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rainbowchaox · 2 years ago

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Okay now that jumpscare of my life has ended and I drank some water and finally stopped laughing, I may be hitting another hornet nest but you know what, anything to brainrot about Viking Pilot as a character.

So we are introduced to his character by a literal monologue about how he’s always been here but the other characters just decided to come and settle down for their personal reasons. The fact he yelled at them and tried doing so many things in order to be noticed but NONE of them could see or hear him. He was isolated in a crowd. Isolation is known to drive even the sanest of people insane.

Add that onto a person we know to have no sense of identity because not only he is canonically already dead but he has no sense of self because he has no memory of himself. Hell for all we known his appearance could just be what he thinks he would look like than his actual appearance when he was human and not ghost boy.

So we have two major hints of his major theme as a character! Isolation and major identity crisis because no memories. So at the start he was already let’s say unstable. So his dubiously evil side doesn’t come out of nowhere.

He has themes of dualism as well. ESPECIALLY blatant later on. But is apparent how he wants to be like friends with everyone but also won’t hesitate to use said friends for his own agenda. Yes, the whole IOU plot-line is full of this. But straight in your face. He could possibly ask Legundo or anyone else that he wanted to do this plan to recover his body and memories. But whether it’s because of his own dual natured relationships he has with everyone or his own layered and complicated personality he has to make a way that everything goes straight how he wants it too. Therefore the IOU. and this showcases his need for control in order to get the two things he wants. A human body and his memories. And he is desperate to get these two things that fuels all his actions somewhat.

And his desperation is so big that HE DOESN’T EVEN KNOW IF THE RITUAL IN THE ELDRITCH BOOK HE FOUND will actually work and not immediately kill him. He didn’t even tell that to his sort of co scam artist (again he cares for them but still his personal needs are above them and he won’t hesitate to use them like pawns in order to reach his objective) Speaking of- the book definitely brought to light his dual nature by canonically inflicting him with insanity so much that if he reads it again he will like shatter into two (again with the themes of duality).

So his main conflict is definitely dealing with all these internally cause these are true but at the same time Viking is known to be friendly and a bit chaotic. Always ready to have a day full of fun chaos.

I can’t wait personally to see where his story takes him. I do not think he is a villain in anyone story but he is definitely is one in his own story. It’s up to his own actions whether he will crash and burn or stand triumphant. And I can’t wait to see what happens.

#dominion smp #vikingpilot #viking pilot #this is obviously about Viking as a character #I just enjoy how he portrays himself in his lore

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destinygoldenstar · 1 year ago

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Character Death In Ninjago

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This video explains why permanent deaths need to happen for the audience to care about the story going forward. As always, support the creator. (Tw: There’s some Walking Dead clips in this video. That’s a bloody show.)

So I am personally very mixed on this discussion.

On the one hand you have a kids show with restrictions on what they can get away with. And at the end of the day, it’s a toy commercial, and killing off a main character would be losing profit. AND different shows have different priorities than others. My Little Pony is a praised show that keeps everyone you care about alive. The Owl House didn’t kill anyone you’re routing for now that I think about it. (Except Flapjack. RIP) And for people who say Ninjago should be super gritty and edgy, are forgetting what the shows priorities are. And if you really want that, that’s what fanfiction is for. And I am no stranger to that. I’m the writer of Total Drama Danganronpa Island. A gritty fanfic where two thirds of the cast die horrifically.

We’ve all had a phase. This show does NOT need to be Batman to be good. A show does not need to be dark to be good.

HOWEVER, when the narrative stakes call for it, and you have SO MANY FAKEOUTS, eventually you have to pull a trigger on a character, beloved or not. This is why at one point or more, there should have been a death. A character does not come back.

Does it need to be gruesome? No. Are fake out deaths bad? No. Season 3’s fakeout death is one of my favorite fakeout deaths of all time because it’s a natural point for the character, and impacts everyone around them, even after they are revealed to still be alive. But there’s a limit to using fake out deaths before they become cheap and nobody buys it anymore.

Now, YES, this show DOES have permanent deaths. Like villains. But you want them gone. There’s also the Royal Family getting assassinated. Mystake never comes back. But you don’t remember these because they are very inconsequential to the story.

If you’re gonna resurrect a character from the dead, that’s fine, as long as you know there’s a purpose for it. Ninjago actually does this very well. Zane’s fakeout (his FIRST one, and no other one) works because it’s s logical step in his character conflict of identity, and the death impacts the other characters, giving them a new perspective on their own dynamics and priorities, plus it benefits Zane’s character in giving him a crisis of a new identity. Garmadon fakeout works because there’s a permanent consequence that is his relationship with his family. That’s dead. Forever. There’s no getting this perfect parental figure back.

It’s a great way for fakeout deaths to work, if there is a permanent consequence. That’s why bringing Nya back was a bad call in my opinion. There were no permanent consequences. Imagine if the ninja couldn’t bring her back? Imagine if they had to grapple with the fact that their grief consumed them and put them in prison, and they had to accept the fact that the girl they loved is gone?

But of course that wouldn’t happen because Nya is a part of the main group. I love Nya as much as anyone, but I wanted her sacrifice in Seabound to stick, because it was a wake up call for the story, personally.

There’s a line when it comes to pulling off fakeout deaths, and when you need to decide to let a character go. Zane and Garmadon, I can excuse. Nya? This should have been permanent OR had a permanent consequence. But okay, the main six ninja have plot armor. Fine. I understand that.

What about the side characters? They’re not safe. Unless you count Pixal as a seventh ninja, she’s not safe. Wu’s not safe. Now obviously, don’t kill characters Willy nilly. Kill them because it makes sense for the story.

Dragons Rising is out, and five of the six ninja are side characters now. Their plot armor is used up. Someone might die. Who knows? Someone could pull a Han Solo.

But is one of my biggest problems with Sailor Moon. Books and shows alike. Every season has the main characters pull fakeout deaths.

EVERY. SEASON. And by Stars, I just don’t buy it anymore.

Like oh, this evil Sailor Guardian assassin is dusting off guardians left and right? And it wants me to believe they’re staying dead?

Yeah nice try. (this is a problem with ALL versions of the story.)

If you’ve seen Sailor Moon, you know what I’m talking about.

In Book 5 of the Sailor Moon comics, there’s a death that choked me up when I first saw it. That’s the death of Sailor Pluto.

She was a likeable side character who was close to Chibi Usa. She had her own goals and dreams of one day leaving her post and seeing the world. Her only chance at seeing it being through this kid.

But when the child she loves turns to the dark side and is about to end the universe, Pluto breaks a taboo of her responsibility and freezes time to save everyone.

And the penalty is death.

She dies with no regret, and the kid watches, full regret over what her actions of jealousy and envy had led to. She obtains her dream of unlocking her powers and following the footsteps of her mom, but the one person she wanted to see that happen isn’t alive to see it. It’s a REALLY heartbreaking chapter.

SO OF COURSE WE BRING PLUTO BACK IN THE NEXT STORY ARC.

This is for… pretty much no reason, as she doesn’t do anything, and you can very easily write her out with nothing changing. Because there’s no consequences to it and the story acts like it never happened, that character death is ruined.

Would the story have been better if the character stayed dead? In this case, yes, as it grounded Chibi-Usas character. Bringing Pluto back removes her consequences altogether.

Then there’s season one of the show having the Sailor Guardians die in the penultimate episode. I read the books before I saw the show, I knew they weren’t dead, as this doesn’t happen in the book. That was just there for drama.

It was well directed and impactful drama on its own, admittedly. But still drama.

I WOULD talk about a certain Polentina, and how her resurrection was done so lazily, then they did nothing with her character and killed her AGAIN a season later. Making the entirety of her life and death pointless. And how this show does have a very good permanent character death that is very well executed and is one of the best moments of the show because of how well done that is. HOWEVER, I won’t because most people HATE it whenever I talk about that show. So therefore, you won’t get my support if you push me away. (I might try again one day, but I just feel very uncomfortable with it from how uninviting others viewers are)

On the other hand, death doesn’t make a show good. There is merit to an uplifting show where everything turns out right in the end. If done right.

So how do you guys feel about character deaths in Ninjago? Is this too much to ask? Am I being unreasonable?

#Youtube #ninjago #ninjago nya #nya smith #nya jiang #sailor moon #sailor pluto #ninjago zane #zane julien #tw death

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kplmbl · 1 year ago

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I'm just about to start season 8 of GoT and I need to write a few things down so I don't forget

If I hadn't read the books I would've enjoyed the show more. There are some stuff that added more depth to the books and the show didn't (and can't) show that. The books are (of course) better at showing us that these characters went and still are going through so much. Between season 6 and 7 the characters and their mannerism changed so much I thought I skipped a few episodes. In the books you slowly see these characters change and evolve. I loved reading Arya's chapters and her time with at Braavos was really interesting. In the books it's more interesting and mysterious. In the show it felt like she was there a few weeks and then suddenly she's good enough to beat Brienne.

Sansa's time at the Vale was too. I was shocked when the show decided to ship her off to marry Ramsay because in the books the secret of Jeyne being Arya and Theon having that identity crisis was much more interesting.

And Jon, we see him trying to balance Stannins and the wildlings and the white walkers and his death hit so much harder in the books. You see him trying his best and you see it in his dialogues as well. You see how much he was impacted by the free folk and the thoughts about Ygritte just...

Dany and her time at Essos is more impactfull too. I was expecting them to kill Ser Barristan or Hizdahr so early, the Sons of Harpy's were a mystery as well and I don't know it was just something much more to her.

And they cut the whole Arianne and Myrcella thing and Quentin's death (which was awesome to read)

and BRIENNE AND JAIME almost all of their dynamic is gone

And I know it's because this is a show and of course you can't show some of the things that I am talking about because they are monologs or thoughts or dreams and some plot lines needed to be cut but.. as a person who loves the books and loves the world I still wanted to express my feelings before I finished the series.

#asoiaf #asoiaf/got #got #game of thrones #bran stark #jaime lannister #arya stark #sansa stark #robb stark

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stylrix · 2 years ago

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Guessing your favorite tangled season according to your favorite character

Obviously some spoilers!

EUGENE

If you love the character of Eugene because he is funny, then you liked every seasons. If you liked him more as a, hum, a fictional person?, then season 2 got to be your favorite. At least, I think. I explain: Eugene really grown during his journey fallowing Rapunzel’s destiny! In season 2 he doesn’t quite act like in season 1, he’s still got his quirk (what makes him unique in fact), but act less and less immature. In season 2, he got to grow his faith in Rapunzel, learned that he is a valuable person after all, learned to trust Adira and accept to give her the lead, and in a really strange way he has reaffirmed his strong friendship with Lance. Most importantly he’s slowly closing the book of his past as Flynn Rider. That’s where he got his first and only solo too and given the end of the season is kind of important to his history it would be logic that people who loved him liked that he has developpement. On a personal note, the moment we though HE was the one betraying Rapunzel is hard to forget and will have a place in my mind for a long time. I don’t know if everybody is happy with the fact that they suddenly make him a prince, but still when you’re someone who went by an alias for half of your life and now you’re coming back from that, identity crisis is kind of a logic conclusion, prince or not. In fact, I even find that he comes back from it too quickly. Anyway, he hasn’t finished learning at the end of season 2 and will continue his growth in season 3, but the changes are obvious and I think that’s the season that have really the most fuel for Eugene’s fans.

CASSANDRA

Beginning this I though I was going to write about season 3 here for… obvious reasons like her becoming the main plot, but you know what? I say no! My guess is that people who loves Cass loves her since season 1 thanks to the charm she shows since the beginning. But I’m not going with season 1 either, because in season 2 she’s still got her charm, a LOT of focus on her relationship with Rapunzel, his first amazing solo telling us what’s going through his mind (rewatching "Challenge of the brave" doesn’t feel the same way after that), and something’s changing in her too. Her intern conflicts is something we can notice. This could have make Cassandra a more layered character to her fans and the show put more attention on her after that point. So again, I’m going with season 2, and I think I just make myself want to rewatch this season again.

VARIAN

Ok this one is hard, even if I technically must guess between just two season this time. The logic choice would tell me that people whose personal favorite is Varian prefer the season 1 given all the changes and drama he’s going trough (also: Let Me Make You Proud and Ready as I’ll ever be…). BUT, I don’t know, last minute call I guess it's more often the season 3. To me at least, it was more endearing to see him regaining trust with the main cast again and acknowledge his errors. Varian in season 3 seemed even more likeable and complex than in season 1. Fans were happy to see him again after his almost complete absence in season 2 and, let’s be honest: Nothing left to loose… Or more nothing else to say! Next!

LANCE

Even if he was there in all the Season 2, I get the feeling that people whose Lance is the personal favorite prefer season 3. Don’t get me wrong here, I loved so much that Lance was part of the “roadtrip”, but I feel like even if he was not always present in season 3, he has more time to shine there. After all that’s when he got his first solo, he’s not forgotten when they’re in group anymore and maybe have more lines when he is there? Season 3's Lance is a good guess to me even if him getting poisoned on the beginning of the season 2 and the buddy song made me hesitated.

RAPUNZEL

They all have been hard to decide, but Rapunzel it’s almost impossible. It’s her adventure, she is important in almost every episodes and she is always in development. I mean if your favorite is Rapunzel you could just have love equally the whole show. I won’t let me not giving a clear answer, so I’m going with season 2.

I know it’s weird that up to now I’m guessing so much people would have season 2 as a favorite but… Ok you got me here I got nothing to say for my defense and I’m gonna brush it away by saying that a lot of people frecking loves Varian and he wasn’t in it as an explanation of season 2 dislike I heard of.

Returning to the subject here: Season 3's Rapunzel is pretty epic, but you know she’s not totally right in what she is doing and I don’t think that people who have Rapunzel has a favorite liked the way Cass and her just have the same conversation over and over without admitting that they are both wrong. Seing her holding out to Cass in that way doesn't always feel right. I could developp a lot on that, but let's say that on some occasion she kind of puts people in danger because of her denial of the seriousness of the situation going on. I will also not forget that moment were Eugene was set like being the one who was wrong to tell Rapunzel to let go on Cass since she is the one who leave Rapunzel, and she just got to live her best life anf forget about this after alterring the past? I know forgiveness exist and it fits Rapunzel personnality, but man that was heavy! I don't know, I feel people who loves princess Rapunzel could find this season too much conflictual. In season 1 there is more slice of life episodes where she is her usual peppy self, but I feel like her going out of Corona for the first time, trying to fulfill his destiny and discovering the hurt incantation is quite more appealing to people loving Rapunzel.

VERDICT

So tell me, Am I rigth or wrong? And why? :) What’s your favorite season after all?

#tangled the series #rapunzles tangled adventure #tts #rta #eugene fitzherbert #tts eugene #tts cassandra #tts varian #rta varian #varian #lance strongbow #tts lance #tts rapunzel #rapunzel #tangled

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the-one-that-rarely-posts · 2 years ago

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Yo! It's been a while since I've posted. By been a while, I mean it's been a whole year! Jk. Anyway. Here's some of my OC's that I worked on for about 7 hrs. I totally did not destroy my body to make this and I'm definitely not sobbing because i want to add more but can't because I still suck at drawing. I accept any and all criticism to improve on my drawing skills!

If you wanna know more 'bout them, click the read more! If not, I hope you at least inspected my drawing for a bit!

I am slightly ashamed to say this, but my OC came from MHA! I know, cringe. But I still enjoy the action that comes with it! Just not the rushed plot.. anyway. Buckle up 'cause it's a bit long!

The two people in the pic? They're twins, Daughter and Son of Vlad King himself! The twins are rumored to.. have something going on with their quirks. Mainly that it can hold other quirks, but it's just a rumor.

The first born, the one near the window, is named Aoi Sekijiro. The first born twin that has a blood quirk like Vlad, except it is more versatile! Allowing her to control her blood mid-air unlike Vlad who can only eject blood.. I assume at least. Aoi barely talks, opting to use her quirk to spell out what she wants to say! She aspires to become a writer due to her creativity, but because of public pressure and the urge to please her dad, she joins the the Hero Course at UA unwillingly. She has a huge identity crisis deep inside, and would often have panic attacks because of her unresolved problems.. It's not because of the pressure she's under being a hero's child, no! It's because of a strange feeling that she doesn't feel like her body is right. Anyway, she'd rather not talk about it this early in her life. Let's move onto the second born!

The second born, which is the one staring straight into your soul right now is named Kioshi Sekijiro. He has a cat quirk that allows him to transform into either a hybrid or a full on cat! How did he manage to get this quirk? Well, back then, his great×3 grandmother had an affair with a man who had a cat quirk, thus creating a line of cat quirks before it magically disappeared! The cat genes got passed down to Kioshi however, and now he holds the oddball quirk of the family tree. He's an affectionate person and would often use his cat form to comfort people with his purrs! Mostly his twin, as she is stressed out the most. He is loyal and had been one of the few, youngest researchers to research about blood for some.. risky to talk about reasons..

Anyway! Due to the.. ahem. Cat-like behavior of both twins, they form an adoration for animals and cats! They based the cases of their devices on cats and would leave random bowls of food outside to feed any passing strays. They also drew their blood and put it in separate viles, they then exchanged it with each other and now, they wear each other's vile on a necklace! Kioshi often lounges on the windowsill each morning, so they had placed a small pillow and blanket on the sill so he could be comfortable while he relaxes!

The twins have a red spot on the top of their hair that reflects light for some odd reason. People once mistook them for being part of the Todoroki family. Luckily though, because of the harrassment and rumors of Endeavor having an affair, Vlad and Endeavor publicly announced and proved that the twins are infact Vlad's children. They even had DNA test results ready incase some reporters decide to ask devious questions.

That's all for this OC showcase! Also, some context for the drawing;

I actually wanted to caption it with the snapchat caption. It was supposed to say; "this idiot studying stuff they don't and won't understand" but i had no snapchat so, yeah it looks goofy now without it.

#my hero academia #my hero academia oc #boku no hero academia #boku no hero academia oc #mha oc #bnha oc

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thimbil · 3 years ago

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Having some thoughts about the references and inspirations used for the Bad Batch’s designs.

So Boba Fett is my absolute favorite character and Temeura Morrison was perfect casting. I went to see the 2008 TCW movie in theaters because I was so excited to see him again, even if he was animated. You can imagine my disappointment. Whoever was on screen was not Temeura Morrison. You could sort of see a resemblance if you squinted and didn’t think too hard about it. They replaced Temeura with Racially Ambiguous G.I. Joe. If I didn’t know better and someone told me the animated clones are space Italians from the moon of New Jersey I would buy it. One Million Brothers Pizzeria and Italian Bistro. Not that there’s something wrong with being space Italian, I just don’t think it’s the right choice for the Fetts. The design got slightly improved by season 7 but it still bugs the hell out of me.

I did eventually get into the show later and (of course) got invested in the clones. Unfortunately, they were largely sidelined by the Jedi storylines. Out of the two new main characters created for TCW, Ahsoka definitely got more development and focus than Rex. When they announced The Bad Batch, I was excited to see a show specifically devoted to the clones… at least that’s what it said on the tin. We have all seen what lurks beneath those stylish helmets.

Jango Fett, you are NOT the father.

So who is?

Based on interviews with Filoni, it sounds like the Bad Batch was a George Lucas idea. And like all his ideas, it’s super derivative. The original trilogy directly lifted elements from sci fi serials, westerns, and samurai movies, more specifically Kurosawa films like The Hidden Fortress. For The Bad Batch character designs, the influence is obviously American action and adventure movies.

Now let’s get specific. Bad Batch, who’s your daddy?

Hunter

Sylvester Stallone as Rambo in First Blood 1982. That bandana has become an integral part of the iconic action hero look. You see a character wearing one and it’s a visual shorthand for either “this character is a tough guy” like Billy played by Sonny Landham in Predator 1987, or “this character thinks he is/wants to be a tough guy” like Brand played by Josh Brolin in The Goonies 1985 or Edward Frog played by Corey Feldman in The Lost Boys 1987.

Hunter’s model is closest to the original clone base. If you look closely you will see the eyebrows are straighter with a much lower angle to the arch. His nose is also not the same shape as a standard clone like Rex, including a narrower bridge. It’s certainly not Temeura Morrison’s nose. Remember what I said about space Italians? It didn’t take much to push the existing clone design to resemble an specific Italian man instead of a specific Māori man. The 23&Me came back, and Hunter inherited more than the bandana from Sylvester.

Crosshair

The long narrow nose, the sharp cheekbones, the scowl. That’s no clone, that’s just animated Clint Eastwood. Not even Young and Hot Clint Eastwood from Rawhide 1959-1965. With that hair, I’m talking Gran Torino 2008. The man of few words schtick and family friendly toothpick in lieu of cigar are pure Eastwood as The Man With No Name from Sergio Leone’s spaghetti westerns A Fist Full of Dollars 1964, For a Few Dollars More 1965, and The Good the Bad and the Ugly 1966.

In a way, this is full circle because the actor Jeremy Bulloch took inspiration from Clint Eastwood for his performance as Boba Fett in ESB.

Wrecker

In an interview Filoni lists the Hulk as an (obvious) inspiration for Wrecker. Ever seen the old Hulk tv show from 1978? Well take a look at the actor who played him, Lou Ferrigno. Would you look at that. Even has his papa’s nose.

You could make the argument that Wrecker was influenced by The Rock, an appropriately buff ‘n bald Polynesian (Samoan, not Maori) man. But look at him next his Fast and Furious costar Vin Diesel and tell me which one resembles Wrecker’s character model more.

Tech

Tech is a little trickier for me to place. If he has a more direct inspiration it must be something I haven’t seen. That said, his hairline is very Bruce Willis as John McClane in Die Hard 1988. His quippiness and large glasses remind me of Shane Black as Hawkins from Predator 1987. In terms of his face, he looks a but like the result of McClane and Hawkins deciding to settle down and start a family. Although, Tech’s biggest contributors are probably just everyone on TV Trope’s list for Smart People Wear Glasses.

And finally,

Echo

Oh Echo. Considering he wasn’t created for the Bad Batch, he probably wasn’t based on a particular character or movie. But if I had to guess, his situation and appearance remind me a lot of Alex Murphy played by Peter Weller in Robocop 1987. However, Robocop explored the Man or Machine Identity Crisis with more nuance, depth, and dignity. Yikes.

The exact tropes and references used in The Bad Batch have been done successfully with characters who aren’t even human. Gizmo from Gremlins 2: The New Batch 1990 had a brief stint with the Rambo bandana. I could have picked any number of characters for Defining Feature Is Glasses but here is the most cursed version of Simon of Alvin and the Chipmunks. Suffer as I have. Marc Antony with his beloved Pussyfoot from Looney Tunes has the same tough guy with a soft center vibe as Wrecker and his Lula (also a kind of cat). Hell, in the same show we have Cad Bane sharing Cowboy Clint Eastwood with Crosshair. I actually think Bane makes a better Eastwood which is wild considering Crosshair has Eastwood’s entire face and Bane is blue.

So we’ve established you don’t need your characters to look exactly like their inspirations to match their vibe. So why go through the trouble and cost of creating completely new character designs instead of recycling and altering assets they already had on hand? Just slap on a bandana, toothpick, goggles, and make Wrecker bigger than the others while he does a Hulk pose and you’re done. Based on the general reaction to Howzer it would have been a low effort slam dunk crowd pleaser.

But they didn’t do that.

So here’s the thing. I like the tropes used in The Bad Batch. I am a fan of action adventure movies from the 80s-90s, the sillier the better. I am part of the Bad Batch’s target audience. Considering what I know about Disney and Lucasfilm, I went in with low expectations. I genuinely don’t hate the idea of seeing references to these actors and media in The Bad Batch. I don’t think basing these characters on tropes was a bad idea. If anything it’s a solid starting point for building the characters.

The trouble is nothing got built on the foundation. The plot is directionless, the pacing is wacky, and the characters have nearly no emotional depth or defining character arcs. They just sort of exist without reacting much while the story happens around them. But I can excuse all of that. You don’t stay a fan of Star Wars as long as I have not being able to cherrypick and fill in the gaps. This show has a deeper issue that shouldn’t be ignored.

Why do the animated clones bear at best only a passing resemblance to their live action actor? In interviews, Filoni wouldn’t shut up but the technological advancements in the animation for season 7. So if they are updating things, why not try to make the clones a closer match to their source material? Why did they have to look like completely different people in The Bad Batch to be “unique”? Looking like Temeura Morrison would have no bearing on their special abilities and TCW proved you can have identical looking characters and still have them be distinct. In fact, that’s a powerful theme and the source of tragedy for the clones’ narrative overall.

Here’s Filoni’s early concept art of Crosshair, Wrecker, Tech, and Hunter. (Interesting but irrelevant: Wrecker seems to have a cog tattoo similar to Jesse’s instead of a scar. Wouldn’t it have been funny if they kept that so when they met in season 7 one if them could say something like “Hey we’re twins!” That’s a little clone humor. Just for you guys 😘)

None of these drawings look like the clones in TCW, much less Temeura Morrison. Let’s be generous. Maybe Filoni struggles with drawing a real person’s likeness, as many people do. But he had to hand this off to other artists down the line whose job specifically involves making a stylized character resemble their actor. Yet the final designs missed the mark almost as much as this initial concept. Starting to seem as if the clones looking more like Temeura Morrison was never even on the table. It wasn’t a lack of creativity, skill or technical limitations on the part of the creative team. I don’t think there is an innocent explanation. They went out of their way to make the final product exactly how we got it.

This goes beyond homage. They could have made the same pop culture references and character tropes without completely stripping Temeura Morrison from the role he originated. It was a very purposeful choice to replace him with more immediately familiar actors from established franchises and films. It wouldn’t shock me if Filoni, Lucas, and anyone else calling the shots didn’t even think hard or care enough about the decision to immediately recognize a problem. And I don’t think they believed anyone else would either. At least no one whose opinion they cared about. Those faces are comfortingly familiar and proven bankable. They are what we’re all used to seeing after all. They’re white.

Lack of imagination, bad intentions, or simple ignorance doesn’t really matter in the end. The result is the same. Call it what it is. They replaced a man of color with a bunch of white guys. That’s by the book garden variety run of the mill whitewashing. There’s no debate worth having about it. For a fanbase that loves to nitpick things like whether or not it’s in character for Han to shoot first or Jeans Guy in the Mandalorian, we sure are quick to find excuses for clones who look nothing like their template. Why is that? If you don’t see the problem, congratulations. Your ass is showing. Pull your jeans up.

#star wars #the bad batch #unwhitewashtbb #wrecker #crosshair #tech #hunter #echo

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oh-mother-of-darkness · 4 years ago

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Timeline: Batman

google doc / ao3

This is my best attempt at a post-crisis timeline based on age-- specifically Bruce’s age every time he adopted and/or met one of his children.

List of events:

Bruce’s parents die

Bruce becomes Batman

Dick’s parents die

Dick becomes Robin

Jason becomes Robin and is adopted

Jason dies

Tim becomes Robin

Cass appears

Dick is adopted

Tim is adopted

Cass is adopted

Damian becomes Robin

I’ll be citing my work by issue and panel. This isn’t my most organized work, and I don’t know how well tumblr will let me translate it, so I do recommend the google doc. I imagine the image quality here won’t be great.

Notes:

This is a post-crisis timeline (1986-2011). I’ll be referencing a few pre-crisis panels, but I won’t be touching the New 52 or anything after it. That’s a different game of ball with its own, extremely bad, timeline.

Crisis on Infinite Earths is a 1985-1986 series that rebooted the DC timeline and altered some backstories, including Jason’s. Pre-crisis, his backstory was almost identical to Dick’s. Post-crisis, he changed to the “steal the wheels off the Batmobile” origin. Anything written before 1986 is a weak source for my purposes.

My original question centered around Bruce’s age through the process of meeting and acquiring his children. In this timeline, those children are (1) Dick Grayson, (2) Jason Todd, (3) Cassandra Cain, (4) Tim Drake, and (5) Damian Wayne. I was envisioning an interview where the kids explain their family timeline to outsiders. I did not anticipate the project taking this long.

We’re talking about 72 years of content here, which means decades of contradiction, conflation, and rewrites. I’m pretty satisfied with my work product, but please understand that there are no perfect answers. I’m going to cite my sources, and I’ll do my best to explain why I chose those sources specifically, but it’s pretty likely that for every panel I pull, there will be others with different numbers. We’re all going to have to live with that.

Event timeline

*I’m defining Jason’s age by the time elapsed since his birth, but you could make an argument for using time he has been alive, which is, of course, different. That’s why the parentheses are there.

Age differences

As Robin

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Bruce’s parents die

Pretty consistently, Bruce is written as eight years old the night his parents died.

Detective Comics #0 (1994)

This is a zero issue where Bruce thinks back on his origin story. It was written long after Crisis on Infinite Earths (1986), and I tend to give a lot of weight to ages written in summaries of past plot lines, my reasoning being that it’s easier to be consistent in one issue than it is to be consistent through a month to month story.

Bruce first appeared as an adult in Detective Comics #27 (1939), and the Waynes were already dead at that point, so flashbacks are the only available material anyway.

Gotham Knights #6 (2000)

The text is Hugo Strange talking about Bruce, and the image is Tim and Dick playing at Wayne Enterprises.

I’ll take a second here to note that I did find at least one alternate age for Bruce— in Superman/Batman Secret Files & Origins (2003), Bruce was 10 when his parents died. I’m disregarding that in favor of the stronger 8 year old timeline, especially in light of Batman #404 (1987).

Batman #404 is the beginning of Batman: Year One, which was explicitly written to clarify the Batman timeline post-crisis, and it’s the basis of most of my calculations for Bruce and Dick’s ages.

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Bruce becomes Batman

According to Year One, Bruce was 26 years old when he became Batman. I’m using his age at his parents’ deaths, his age when he returned to Gotham, and his 18 year timeline.

Batman #404 puts Bruce at age 25 when he returned to Gotham in January.

Batman #404 (1987)

Bruce gives his dramatic, “Yes, Father, I will become a bat,” line in March. In the same scene, he says that it has been 18 years since his parents’ deaths. Knowing that they died when Bruce was eight, that puts Bruce at 26 years old the day he became Batman, which makes sense considering Bruce’s birthday is usually set at February 19th.

He was 25 in January, turned 26 in February, and became Batman at 26, 18 years after his parents’ death.

Batman #404 (1987)

Post-crisis, DC built timelines off the “Year” model. Year One is Batman’s beginning, and events after that are measured by how far away they are from the year Bruce became Batman. I’ll be using the Year model for Dick’s life events next.

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Dick’s parents die

The Graysons died in Year Two. Using the Year Model, Dick was 12 when his parents died, and Bruce was 37.

Year timelines appear a fair amount, especially in issues titled “Secret Files & Origins.” I pulled this bit from Batman Secret Files & Origins (1997) because it was the easiest to screenshot.

Batman Secret Files & Origins (1997)

Year Two would place Bruce at 27 years old. I’m calculating Dick’s age backwards, based on him being 13 years old during Year Three.

Batman Secret Files & Origins (1997)

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Dick becomes Robin

Dick became Robin in Year Three, when he was 13 years old and Bruce was 28. I’m using two different issues to calculate the number.

Batman #441 (1989)

Batman #441 is from Tim’s introduction story. It takes place “months” after Jason’s death. We’ll get to that part. In Batman #441, Tim asked Dick to be Robin again in order to help Bruce, who was visibly unstable after Jason’s death. Dick says that he can’t go back to being Robin, just like he can’t go back to being 13 years old. The strong implication there is that Dick became Robin at 13, which corresponds to Dick’s statements in Batman #416 (1988).

In Batman #416, Dick as Nightwing returns to confront Bruce about Jason becoming Robin. He says that he was Robin for six years, and he stopped being Robin at 19.

Batman #416 (1988)

If Dick stopped being Robin at 19, after 6 years, that would put him at 13 when he debuted as Robin, the same number from Batman #441 (1989).

Dick was 13 during Year Three, so 12 during Year Two, the year his parents died. Those numbers answer the first bit of my original question. I wanted to know how old Dick and Bruce were when Dick became his child. It’s a bit more of a complicated question for Dick, since he was originally Bruce’s ward, then adopted as an adult.

Based on the timeline so far, Dick became Bruce’s ward at 12 years old, while Bruce was 27.

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Jason becomes Robin and is adopted

As previously discussed (see Notes), Jason’s timeline is complicated by Crisis on Infinite Earths (1985-1986). Pre-crisis, Jason first appeared in Batman #336 (1983) as a former circus acrobat very similar to Dick.

Jason’s origin story reboots at Batman #408 (1987), which describes the switch-off between Dick and Jason. I’m building a lot of my timeline off of that issue. At the beginning, Dick gets shot by the Joker, and as Bruce carries him away, the media ask if Robin is dead. Dick isn’t dead, but back at the manor, Bruce decides to retire Robin as a role, based on the idea that crimefighting is too dangerous for a child.

Batman #408 (1987)

This version is more or less from Bruce’s point of view, but there’s a contrasting version from Dick’s point of view later, in Batman #416 (1987). That one has a significantly different tone, and I already cited it once (page 13) because Dick talks about his age and the amount of time he was Robin.

Batman #408 (1987)

The second part of the issue takes place “weeks” later. Bruce goes to Crime Alley to mourn his parents on the anniversary of their death. He comes back to find that somebody stole the wheels off the Batmobile. The somebody was Jason, and by the end of Batman #409 (1987), Bruce is calling Jason “Robin.”

Batman #408 (1987) seems to divide Dick’s departure and Jason’s introduction by only “weeks,” in the post-crisis reboot. Dick’s version of the story in Batman #416 (1987) is much less charitable to Bruce— instead of ending on a panel of Bruce smiling, it shows the aftermath of Dick in tears as Bruce walks away. Dick goes on to describe leaving the house, going to college for a semester, then dropping out. According to Dick, Bruce didn’t even say goodbye.

Batman #416 (1987)

I don’t think the stories are contradictory; they’re just different experiences of the same events, separated by only eight issues. Dick tells us that he was 19 when he left Wayne Manor, and Bruce chooses his new Robin “weeks” later.

As a summary, we know that Bruce’s parents died when he was eight, and that 18 years passed before he became Batman at 26. One year later, Dick’s parents died while Bruce was 27. One year after that, Dick became Robin at the age of 13. From those facts, Bruce is 15 years older than Dick.

All of my calculations of Bruce’s age are based off of the age gap between him and Dick. Dick was 19 when Jason became Robin, so we know that at that time, Bruce was 34. We also know that at that time, Jason was 12.

I can’t show a source for that number because it appears on the letter page of Batman #408 (1987), Jason’s introduction.

Even after a significant amount of investigation, I can’t find a copy of the letter page, but it’s cited by enough secondary sources for me to be comfortable using it. That issue is specifically written to show Jason’s origin, so it makes sense that it would contain Jason’s age at inception, even if the number wasn’t in the actual exposition.

From Jason being 12, we can establish a seven-year age gap between Jason and Dick, who was 19 at the time. Now we know Bruce, Dick, and Jason’s ages, and the age differences between them.

Back to my original question— when did Bruce acquire Jason? We know that Bruce was 34 when Jason became his ward, and Jason was 12. The next question, however, is when did Bruce adopt Jason? On this one, I’m making an educated guess.

Again we have to differentiate between pre-crisis and post-crisis timelines. Pre-crisis, there’s a full storyline about the fact that Bruce did not adopt Jason, although not for lack of trying. In Batman #374 (1984), the Child Welfare Bureau investigates Bruce when it notices that Bruce has not adopted Jason— and is not even, in fact, his legal guardian.

Batman #374 (1984)

The rest of the storyline is about Jason’s custody. A villain named Natalia Knight (Nocturna) adopts Jason in an attempt to get Bruce to marry her in order to become Jason’s father. In the court scene in Batman #377 (1984), Bruce says that he filed to adopt Jason sometime beforehand, although it’s unclear to me whether he means he filed between those issues or the CWB documents were incomplete.

Natalia does adopt Jason in Batman #378 (1984), and he briefly lives with her before returning to Wayne Manor in Batman #381 (1985), directly before the reboot.

I’m including all of that for two reasons: first, I do think it’s important to clarify both this version and the post-crisis version I’m about to address. Second, I spent years under the impression that Bruce adopted Jason pre-crisis because of one, well-known scene.

Batman #377 (1984)

Batman #378 (1984)

Batman #381 (1985)

Donna Troy gets married in Tales of the Teen Titans #50 (1985). At the wedding, Bruce and Dick have a conversation about Jason and about their own relationship. A few of those panels get spread around because they contain what I would consider a defining moment between Dick and Bruce.

I’m certainly not complaining about the amount of times I’ve seen the wedding conversation, but I think that, in regards to Jason, seeing just those panels has created a misconception.

Tales of the Teen Titans #50 (1985)

Without context, it looks, at least to me, like Dick is saying that Bruce has adopted Jason pre-crisis, which isn’t true. This issue takes place between the Natalia adoption in Batman #378 (1984) and Jason’s return to the manor in Batman #381 (1985), and the panels directly before the exchange make that clear. I just didn’t see those panels until I looked through the whole issue for this project.

I’m reasonably certain that in the past, I publicly cited this issue as evidence of Jason’s adoption, and I was wrong about that. [Note: As it turns out, I was only partially wrong. See section Correction.]

Tales of the Teen Titans #50 (1985)

As we see, the wedding conversation is in the context of the Natalia adoption. With that cleared up, and with the pre-crisis timeline filled out, let’s move to post-crisis.

In my brief read-through of Batman #404-427 (1987-1988), I didn’t find any direct references to Jason’s status. Those issues begin at the reboot and end at Jason’s death. However, Dick and Jason’s statements after the fact do tell us that post-crisis, Bruce did adopt Jason.

In Batman #436 (1989), Dick returns to the manor in the direct aftermath of Jason’s death, and while he is there, he sees that Bruce removed any trace of Jason from the house. There aren’t any trophies in the Batcave, and there aren’t any pictures of Jason on the nightstand displaying Bruce’s family photos.

Dick says that Jason was Bruce’s son.

Batman #436 (1989)

I think it’s fair to ask whether Dick is being literal here, because even if Bruce hadn’t legally adopted Jason, it would still be more than appropriate to call them father and son. I’m not going to place my opinion solely on this kind of statement, even if it does appear pretty regularly from 1988 to the end of the timeline.

Green Arrow/Black Canary #4 (2007)

We get a more definite answer later, during Tim’s first appearance. In Tim’s origin story, he deduces Batman and Robin’s secret identities after he sees footage of Robin doing a type of flip that only the Flying Graysons could do. Tim was at the circus the night Dick’s parents died, so he saw Dick do the flip there, then saw Dick become an orphan.

Because Tim knew that Dick was the first Robin, he correctly identified Bruce as Batman and Jason as the second Robin. He tells Dick all of this in Batman #441 (1989).

Batman #441 (1989)

Tim does specifically use the word “adopts” here, and that’s good enough for me. The last part is guesswork— I don’t know for certain how old Jason and Bruce were when the adoption took place, but I’m electing to say Jason was 12, the same age as he was when he became Robin.

I picked that number both out of convenience and because Tim seems to be putting Jason’s adoption and the second Robin’s appearance at around the same time. With that in mind, I think that Jason was 12 years old both when he became Robin and when Bruce adopted him. Using the age gap we already established, that would put Bruce at age 34.

Circling back to my original question, Dick became Bruce’s ward when Dick was 12 and Bruce was 27. Jason became Bruce’s ward, then adoptive son when Jason was 12 and Bruce was 34.

At this point in the timeline, Bruce is 34 with one former ward and one adopted son.

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Correction

A few days after I wrote my section about Jason’s appearance and adoption, I realized that I was missing a panel citation in my discussion of Jason’s death. The panel is from New Titan #55 (1989), and you’ll see me cite it when I talk about Jason’s death certificate.

New Titans #55 (1989) is the issue where Dick, who is with the Teen Titans, finds out about Jason’s death. While I was combing through the issue for the panels I wanted, I reread a scene I had completely forgotten about. Dick goes back to the manor to speak to Bruce, and it doesn’t go well.

New Titans #55 (1989)

I have three comments here. First, I do think this scene is inconsistent with the simultaneous story in the Batman title. In this version, Dick and Bruce have a very aggressive confrontation, but in Batman #436 (1989), Dick appears to be returning to the manor for the first time since Jason died, and there isn’t any reference to a prior fight.

Putting that aside, Bruce does explicitly say that he adopted Jason, and that’s more, stronger verification of a post-crisis adoption. Lastly, it’s pretty clear that Bruce and Dick are talking about the wedding scene.

I already explained that the wedding scene is pre-crisis, and in the original text, that conversation is about Bruce wanting to, but not being able to, adopt Jason. New Titans #55 (1989) carries the wedding scene into post-crisis canon, changing the language in the process. In this version, Bruce has adopted Jason.

I was still wrong about the wedding scene because in the past, I used it as evidence of a pre-crisis adoption. It isn’t pre-crisis evidence, but it is, in a roundabout way, evidence of the post-crisis adoption. I wanted to clear that up before I move on to Jason’s death.

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Jason dies

Jason’s death is by far the shakiest point on my timeline, but I’ve chosen to put him at 15 the day he died in Batman #427 (1988).

I think it’s safe to say that Jason was either 14 or 15 when he died, and my basic conclusion is that running numbers doesn’t give me a definite answer. There’s a cop-out option based on an extraordinarily poor source, and I’m taking the cop-out.

The general consensus seems to be that Jason was 15 at his death, citation to Jason’s death certificate. Jason’s death certificate appears in two different places, and I think most folks conflate the two.

To my knowledge, the only copy of Jason’s death certificate in full appears in The Batman Files (2011), where it does list Jason’s age as 15.

The Batman Files (2011)

Now there is a partial copy in Batman Annual #25 (2006), which I would argue is a very reliable reference when it comes to Jason. That issue is part of the Under the Red Hood story, the one where Jason returns to Gotham for the first time after his resurrection. In fact, the specific annual issue has a timeline for Jason’s events counting forward from his death.

Here’s the problem: the issue doesn’t say his age at death. The partial copy of his death certificate looks like this.

Batman Annual #25 (2006)

I think that when most folks remember a death certificate, they think of this one, the one from a very important issue, instead of The Batman Files (2011) which, as noted, is a very bad source.

I have three issues with The Batman Files (2011): the format, the publishing date, and the other information on the certificate. First, The Batman Files (2011) isn’t a comic book at all. It’s a commemorative book published in collaboration with DC in 2011. Now I don’t think that fact completely removes the book as a source, but it certainly damages its value as one.

My problem with that date, 2011, is that it’s the year the New 52 premiered. I called it a commemorative book because it’s meant to be a look back at a fully complete timeline, a kind of “this is us saying goodbye” product. The date and format alone make me hesitant to cite the certificate, but on top of that, the certificate is inconsistent with prior canon.

I am intimately familiar with retcons and conflicting numbers in the DC timeline. I made a point at the beginning of this paper to tell you that although this is my best attempt to make a cohesive timeline, assuming that I can carve out a cohesive timeline is fundamentally flawed.

I’m not saying that a single contradictory number is enough to make me disregard a source. I am saying that in this particular conversation about an already suspect source, I’m going to take inconsistency into account.

In New Titans #55 (1989), the issue from Corrections, Dick finds out about Jason’s death because a team member notices Jason’s status is set at “unknown.” Dick uses Bruce’s passcode to access restricted information, and he and the Titans see that Jason’s real status is “deceased.”

The death certificate in The Batman Files (2011) marks Jason’s height at 4’6 and his age at 15. In contrast, Dick’s scene puts Jason at 5’4, and its only reference to Jason’s age is a very relatable question from Donna. “How old was he, anyway?”

New Titans #55 (1989)

There’s a substantial difference between the two heights, and I think it’s also worth noting that for a 15 year old American male, 4’6 is in the 0.1 height percentile. In the past, I and many others have tried to justify that height along the lines of Jason being malnourished or similarly afflicted. Personally, I liked the parallel between this height for Jason and Damian’s height at his own death in 2013, and I know I’ve talked about that in the past.

I’m not criticizing anyone for using the 4’6 number, but I do think the unlikelihood of a 15 year old that size is worth bringing up.

In summary, The Batman Files (2011) is so bad of a source that I’m only willing to use it as a last resort. Unfortunately, it’s time for a last resort.

I mentioned a timeline in Batman Annual #25 (2006) that counts forward from Jason’s death. I’m not going to use image cites here because they’re just isolated text boxes labeled either “six months later” or “one year later.”

Using that timeline, we know that Jason’s resurrection took place six months after his death. He spent one year in a coma, then one year on the street, then one year with the League of Assassins. Finally, he spent a nebulous time training before he returned to Gotham.

We know that Jason was gone for a minimum of three and a half years, then whatever time “training” includes. Personally, I’m applying my best attempt at comic logic to say he was missing for somewhere between three and four years.

To understand the next bit, I need to point out that from Jason’s death on, I’m going to be using Tim’s age to track time in the same way I’ve been using Dick’s so far.

As a reminder, I know what age Bruce was when Dick became Robin (28), and I know Dick’s age at the same point (13), so I know there’s a 15 year age difference. As I track Dick’s age through the timeline, I add 15 to get Bruce’s.

In the same way, I know what age Dick was when Jason became Robin (19), and I know Jason’s age at the same point (12), so I know there’s a 7 year age difference. I can use that number ongoing.

I know that Tim was 13 when he made his first appearance as Robin, and I’ll get into that in the next section. After that, I’m placing Dick, Tim, and Cass’s adoptions based on Tim’s age.

To do that, I need to know how much older Dick is than Tim, and I can only get that by knowing Jason’s age at his death, sort of.

How long was Jason Robin? If I had that information, I could establish Jason’s age by counting up from 12, the age when he became Robin, then establish Tim’s age from there.

I can’t really answer that question. There is a panel from Batman #436 where Dick, apparently in his first time at the manor since Jason’s death says the following.

Batman #436 (1989)

My instinctual interpretation is it’s been two years since he stopped being Robin at 19, making Dick 21 and Jason 14. In my opinion, that’s straightforward plain language, but it seems like I’m in the minority on that one, and most folks read it as Dick saying it’s been two years since he was last at the manor. We know from Batman #416 (1988) that Dick’s last visit to the manor was 18 months after Dick left home.

Batman #136 (1988)

I think the most honest thing to say is that Jason was Robin for an indeterminate amount of time that was somewhere between two and three years. I don’t know which number is closer. I also, if you remember, think that Jason was gone from Gotham for somewhere between three and four years, but I don’t know where in that range the real number is.

Here’s why absolutely nothing I’ve said in the past seven pages matters: I need to build my timeline based on the age gap between Jason and Tim.

I don’t know how old Tim was when Jason died.

I know how old Tim was at his first appearance as Robin, and that’s a different number.

We’ll finish this conversation in a moment.

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Tim becomes Robin

We begin, thankfully, with a straightforward fact. Tim’s first storyline spans Batman #440-442 (1989). The arc is called A Lonely Place of Dying, and we already talked about it. Tim, having watched Batman and Robin from the shadows for years, comes forwards in the aftermath of Jason’s death in an attempt to convince Dick to become Robin for a second time.

Batman #441 (1989)

We know that Tim was 13 years old at the time, but I do need to clarify exactly what time that was— an indeterminate amount of time after Jason’s death.

The word that pops up a couple of time in Tim’s first arc is “months,” from Tim and Two-Face. How many months? Who’s to say.

Batman #442 (1989)

So, from the top. We know that Bruce was eight when his parents died, 26 when he became Batman, 27 when he met Dick, 28 when Dick became Robin, and 34 when he met Jason.

Dick was 12 when he met Bruce, 13 when he became Robin, 19 when he left home and Jason became Robin.

Jason was 12 when he became Robin.

Bruce is 15 years older than Dick. Bruce is 22 years older than Jason.

Dick is 7 years older than Jason.

How long was Jason Robin? Unknown, but somewhere between two and three years. At that point, he died. “Months” after that, Tim was 13.

Here, we need to acknowledge that Jason could have been either 14 or 15 at his death, and at the same time, Tim was either 12 or 13. We need to know how far they are apart to calculate Tim’s age in relation to Jason, Dick, and Bruce— ongoing, we will always know exactly how old Tim is, so (if we know how far apart Jason and Tim are) we will always know Bruce, Dick, and Jason’s age from there.

How much older than Tim is Jason? Somewhere between one and three years, I guess, but I can’t really go beyond a well-researched guess. In my opinion, there isn’t a straightforward answer for this one.

Having presented my facts, here is my conclusion. Jason was 15 when he died. At the same time, Tim was 13. They are two years apart.

Why? To begin, I’m more comfortable using the number we already have for Tim, 13, than I am dropping him to 12 on the mere possibility that he could have been 12.

Second, even though The Batman Files (2011) is a terrible source, it does at least sort of indicate that the official DC position is a Jason who was 15 years old at his death.

Third, visually speaking, Jason looks closer to 15 than 14 at his death. Is that good evidence? No, absolutely not. Comic book art is definitionally variable, but I am going to pull a few panels for you to look over.

Batman #427 (1988)

Finally, I feel that Jason and Tim are, in later works, treated as if they are different ages. I’m not going to go into much detail on that one because it is purely a personal reaction, but I would refer to Teen Titans #29 (2005) as an example. That issue has Jason and Tim’s first meeting, after Jason comes to the tower specifically to attack Tim.

Teen Titans #27 (2005)

Another well-known issue to check out is Teen Titans #47 (2007).

My basic position is that there are so many ways, all uncertain, to slice Jason and Tim’s ages that I can take my pick. I chose the ones that most closely mirror later canon, fall most squarely into the possible range, and feel the most intuitively right.

They also have the benefit of simplicity, which was very much a factor.

Don’t agree with me? Fair enough. I think I’ve given you enough information to make an educated judgment, and I’ve also gone ahead and made a timeline in the alternative. In this one, Jason was 14 at death, and he and Tim are only one year apart.

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In the Alternative

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Cass appears

Having progressed beyond Jason and Tim’s age gap, we reenter simple canon. I hope you’re as pleased as I am.

Cass was 17 years old at her first appearance, which we can establish easily based on two different issues. Cass first appears in Batman #567 (1999), during an arc called No Man’s Land. At the time, she is working for Barbara Gordon in the aftermath of an earthquake that destroyed most of Gotham. We learn Cass’s backstory through that issue.

Cass’s biological father is David Cain, a villain, who raised Cass in isolation, never exposing her to a verbal language or allowing any kind of socialization. By comic book logic, her upbringing gave her a near-superhuman ability to understand and anticipate physical actions, as those actions are her only form of communication.

Cain trained her as a child assassin, then took her to her first kill. Cass murdered a man and experienced, through his body language, the pain he felt at his death. Immediately afterward, she ran away from her father.

Batgirl #62 (2005)

We know that Cass was eight years old when she killed and ran. We also know that her first appearance in Gotham was nine years after she ran, thanks to Barbara Gordon’s file.

Batgirl #1 (2000)

Simple enough. She was 17. How old was everybody else? We find out from Tim’s timeline.

This next bit will come up a few times. We know that Tim was 15 from at least 1993 to 2003, established by three different issues. We know from Detective Comics #668 (1993) that Tim was 15 during Knightquest, the arc where Jean-Paul Valley was briefly Batman. Barbara tells us in 2002 that Tim is still 15, and Tim turns 16 on-panel in 2003.

In Knightquest, Tim gets his driver’s license early, at age 15, because Jack Drake is in a wheelchair. I suppose the wording here is ambiguous on a technicality, but I don’t think there’s any significant argument against Tim being 15; if he was only 14, the language would be different.

Detective Comics #668 (1993)

Next, in Batgirl #24 (2002), Barbara says she’s “sending a 15 year old” as she reaches for Tim’s com line.

Batgirl #24 (2002)

We could stop here for Cassandra’s appearance, since that happened in 1999, between the 1993 issue and the 2002 reference. For completion’s sake, however, let’s note that Robin #116 (2003) is about Tim’s 16th birthday. He forgets about it, so his step-mother throws a surprise party.

Robin #116 (2003)

Okay, so Tim was 15 when Cass appeared at age 17. That puts Bruce at 39, Dick at 24, and Jason at 17 if you’re counting by years elapsed since his birth.

Bruce met his daughter when he was 39 and she was 17, in reference to my original question. Cass is 22 years younger than Bruce, seven years younger than Dick, the same age as Jason, and two years older than Tim.

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Dick is adopted

This one, having already established Tim’s timeline, is very simple. Dick was adopted in Gotham Knights #17 (2001).

Gotham Knights #17 (2001)

Again, Tim was 15 from 1993 to 2003, and 2001 falls within that range. Tim was 15, which makes Dick 24 and Bruce 39.

At this point in the timeline, Bruce, a 39 year old, has two adopted children, one of whom is deceased as far as Bruce is concerned. His adopted children are (17) and 24. He has already met two of his future children, Cass and Tim.

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This is PART ONE. I’ll reblog Part Two onto this post when I wake up, which should be around the same time this posts.

#PART ONE of two #I'm going to reblog the last 10 pages onto this post as soon as it comes off the queue #timeline #mine #really lame that I can fit 50 pages into a post but then the last10 is too much

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honeymoonjin · 4 years ago

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pairing: jimin x reader || genre: smut, 18+ || word count: 3.8k

warnings: sexually explicit content, generally dom!jimin, fingering, multiple orgasms, kinda cum eating, unprotected sex, jimin exploring his gender identity a wee bit with feminine presenting clothing, jimin getting called pretty as he deserves, creampie, bondage (wrists tied)

summary: jimin sees you doing your laundry and decides to make it a little more exciting.

A/N: so here’s the deal i blame d2 filter jimin fully for this reappearance, it’s a one-off, i’m not coming back i’m just having a sexuality crisis over park jimin right now and i need you all to understand how much i’m suffering. this is technically in the tgm universe (though separate from the plot, kinda a slice of life/oneshot kinda deal) but it can totally function as a standalone

“Am I interrupting something?”

You jump in place when the sudden voice - so close to your ear that you can feel the warm exhale - is paired with a hand curving around the dip of your waist.

“I guess you are,” you reply lightly, even as your heart races.

Lips press chastely against your ear, Jimin’s lips, as he lets out a curious hum. “I bet I can make it more interesting,” he lilts, fingers pressing into the soft skin of your stomach. “Hm? Doing some chores, little mouse?”

Even as arousal begins to stir in your belly at his words and the heat of his body behind you, you sigh at the pile of clean clothes strewn in a heap on the end of your bed. “Just laundry,” you murmur redundantly, hooking your finger on a pair of jeans, slightly stiff from the wash.

“How boring,” he teases, making your breath hitch with a single playful nip to your earlobe. Snaking his other hand around your waist so that you’re pinned to him completely, he slowly sways you back and forth, the movement belying a hardness pressed to your lower back. “But look at all these clothes, little mouse; which one is your favourite?”

“Am I going to put on a show?” you question coquettishly, reaching an arm arm so that your hand rests on the nape of his neck, nails scraping his scalp lightly.

He huffs out an airy laugh through his nose, a hand slipping onto your front. It slides up under your shirt, magma-hot, and you feel the texture of his fingertips as they run over your sensitive skin, every touch that ventures too close to your nipples making you shiver. “Pick something out for me, baby. Something pretty.”

The air inside your lungs is laced with excitement, every breath only deepening the hot coil of arousal in your stomach. Jimin drops his arm again to hang low over your hips so that you can bend over, and even as you mourn the loss of his fingers on you, you arch your back and press into him. The new angle has your clothed pussy snug over where his cock strains in his pants, and your mind goes hazy as you struggle to focus on the pieces of clothing in front of you.

With one hand propped up on the mattress to keep you from buckling down - though you doubt he’d mind all that much - the other sifts through pants and jackets, sweaters and odd socks, until a flash of red catches your eye.

Tugging it out, you straighten up and use a hand on each strap so that the wine-red lace bodysuit is put on display. Jimin hums in approval before his hands go slack, freeing you to turn around and face him.

The sight you’re greeted with takes your breath away. Black slacks and a silken black shirt with the sleeves rolled up outline his lithe figure, while his eyelids have been adorned with a soft rosy pink, lips pearlescent. He’s always been strikingly beautiful, but there’s an almost feminine grace to his look that has you wanting to kiss the gloss right off his pillowed lips.

He quirks his brow at your stare, lips twitching. With a graceful movement, he reaches deftly around to take the lingerie from your hand, eyes not leaving yours for a second.

Your hands lift to the hem of your shirt, but his free one intercepts them, tugs them higher.

“Why don’t you undo my buttons first, little mouse?” he requests, his voice leaving no room for protest, though it stays warm and honeyed. Jimin’s power isn’t in volume or glares or muscle. It comes from within, an aura that has your knees weak and your panties wet. You fumble with the top button, wanting so badly to please him.

Bit by bit, the fabric parts down his chest, falling off his shoulders and getting hooked on his elbows. Black silk hangs slack from his forearms like a shawl as he guides your hands lower still, until you’re undoing his pants too.

He does all this with the silent confidence of a dom entirely in control, and as the only sounds in the room are the teeth of the zipper and your own shaky breaths, you feel that submissive headspace fill your mind like a thick fog, leaving no room for thoughts that don’t involve Jimin.

You don’t mind that, though. Not when his pants drop to the floor, revealing nothing underneath. Not when you catch a glimpse of his gorgeous cock, straining upwards and shiny with precum. And not when your chin is being tipped upwards and his lips are slanting across yours, making you lose every thought entirely.

With eyes slipped shut in bliss, you feel drunk on the euphoria of his embrace, heart thudding in your chest with every slight movement. He tastes like peaches, you muse, smells like it too as if that gloss was flavoured especially. Languid but intentional, his tongue presses between your lips and devours you from the inside, pure electric. Your body feels lighter and freer with each stroke, his teeth catching and nipping. It’s not until you feel a sudden bolt of stimulation to one of your nipples that you realise you feel so airy because he’s been undressing you as you kiss.

Head swimming, your body gives no resistance when he walks you forward, your knees buckling on the edge of the mattress and your bare back laying across the haphazard pile of clean clothes.

You crane your neck, looking him over as he stands between your dangling legs. With lips swollen and shiny with spit instead of gloss, and his cock a pretty rosy shade, he lets the shirt hanging off his elbows finally shed to the ground, leaving him just as bare as you are. He looks ethereal in a way you’ve never seen as much before, positively glowing, and it takes your breath away.

“Close your eyes,” he commands sweetly, making you tremble as he runs a single finger up your inner thigh.

You follow his instructions, legs parted slightly as you anticipate the textured drag of lace, but nothing comes. After a few moments, you sigh out into the silent room, back arching off the bed in neglect. “Minnie,” you breathe, and Jimin shushes you gently, running a broad hand up your side.

“Almost finished, little mouse,” he chimes, and a mere moment later you can hear the smile in his voice when he instructs you to open your eyes again.

The sight that greets you has you breathless, lightheaded. Even as your mind overheats trying to process the image in front of you, Jimin is already lifting his knees onto the bed, straddling you.

You feel the drag of lace now, rubbing against your core as it stretches taut over Jimin’s cock. The fabric is formfitting on you; on Jimin, it’s sinful. Looking like temptation itself, Jimin arches his torso so that the ribbon at the waist accentuates his slender frame, hints of two dusky nipples poking out from behind the thin material. Instead of covering his back, the two sections of lace that cover his chest lead to wide ribbons which he has tied up and around his neck, letting the long ends dangle onto you once he bends down.

“Tell me, Y/n,” he breathes out, sultry and rich with desire, “do I look pretty?”

Every shift of his body above you causes the textured fabric to rub over your clit, and you whimper as his fingers play almost absentmindedly at your nipples, stroking and flicking without any real pattern. You can barely think, but you force your mind to focus in on the way he sucks his lower lip into his mouth, teeth poking out just slightly to pin the flesh.

“So pretty, Jimin,” you praise earnestly, “look so good, holy shit.”

His eyelids flutter upon hearing your words, and he muffles his own moan with your lips, kissing you more frantically now, pressing his chest to yours. “I feel good,” he confesses between nips and licks, pulling back onto to gasp for air. “God, Y/n, I wanna fuck you like this. My little mouse.”

“Fuck, Minnie.” Your skin is on fire but you reach around to pull him closer, nails catching on his bared shoulder blades. “Take me, I’m yours.” Your voice breaks into a strangled moan when fingers plunge inside you, crooking up to find your g-spot without hesitation.

At this point, Jimin knows you inside and out perhaps even better than yourself, and you lay back as he scissors two digits so carefully. Even in the height of his arousal - now straddling your thighs, his hips rut shudderingly against your thighs, the head of his cock beginning to escape the narrow band of lace - he’s wary not to treat you too roughly, his thumb finding your clit so that the hot snaking arousal never fades for a second.

“Muh-more, Jimin, I- ungh.” Your thighs tense around his wrist when he fits a third finger in, but he just uses your ever-growing wetness to fuck you faster, the only burn being so pleasurable it takes your breath right out of your chest. “I’m ready, please fuck me,” you whine, unable to even rock your hips up with the way his weight rests on your upper legs.

But he doesn’t stop, moaning so beautifully that it almost sounds like he’s the one in your shoes, bending down to press slack kisses to your stomach, tongue even slipping out to run a line over the curve of your hipbone. The pressure inside you rises and rises and rises until you’re fisting the sheets desperately. Unable to catch your breath, you writhe beneath him and feel an orgasm swiftly approaching.

Wary that of Jimin’s mean dom streak that sometimes caught you off guard, you hold back the hope of release until it’s already rocking through you like a tsunami. The restriction of your lower half mixed with the visual stimulation of a dollified Jimin sucking hickies just below your belly button only send the pleasure higher, until you can’t even stop yourself from convulsing, shoulders lifting off the bed to curl into yourself where you’re pinned down.

His fingers don’t slow down until you’re gripping onto his forearm for dear life, shivering beneath him. Panting himself, he rolls onto his back beside you with his eyes lidded, brushing his fingers over his lips until they’re coated with your slick, just as shiny as the pearly lip gloss he came in with.

You let out an exhausted chuckle at the sight, your core already stirring in excitement at the obscene sight. “You’re gonna be the death of me, Park Jimin,” you quip, but it’s not long before your eyes drop to his cock, still painfully hard and soaking a patch in the red lace. The fingers of his other hand lazily play at the head, spreading the precum that continues to drip from it. Without even really intending, your own hand snakes over his lean stomach to grip the base of him, stroking slowly as he sighs out his pleasure.

For a few moments, he just licks and sucks at his own lips, abs and thighs tensing as he lets you jerk him off unhurried. He looks so beautiful, hair billowed out like a vibrant halo around his sex-sweetened face. The halter ribbon - tied too loosely in his quick change - slips down and bares his shoulders and upper chest, exposing his nipples to the cool air of your bedroom.

Feeling a little self-satisfied and in the mood for mischief, you take advantage of his shut eyes to sit up on your side, reach out and drag your nails over one. Like a startled cat, he hisses and goes stiff, one hand locking around your wrist like iron. When his eyes open, they’re molten with lust and ire, a brow twitching.

Your heart quickens at the way he sits up and fixes you with a harsh glare, bodysuit riding lower down his torso with the weight of the ribbon, which he uses his free hand to quickly tug out of the loops.

“Jimin-” you start, but his sharp and assured movements have any protests dying on your tongue. He grabs your free hand and quickly begins binding them together in front of you by the wrists, not saying a word even as four lines of pink appear over his chest.

Only once you’re bound and panting does he speak again, standing to slowly and meaningfully strip the lace bodysuit off himself. “If you’re going to act like a brat, little mouse, I’ll fuck you like a brat,” he declares. “And bad girls have to wait.”

Fighting the urge to bury your tied hands between your cum-soaked thighs, you bite down hard on your lip and look up at him. Not even sparing you a glance - no doubt intentionally - Jimin reaches around you and picks up a tank top off the pile on your bed.

You watch, disbelievingly, as Jimin carefully and painstakingly slowly folds the top in quarters, placing it to the side. In no hurry, even as his cock hangs heavy between his legs, he takes every item of clean (though that’s now debatable) clothing and folds it for you, setting up a tidy pile up by your pillow.

At one point, you tilt your hips downward in an attempt to rut against the duvet, but a single sharp glare and raised eyebrow from Jimin stops you in your tracks. “Be patient,” he chastises you, “you should thank me for doing this for you. I’m sure it would take you a lot longer with your hands bound like that.”

You send him a pouty scowl, but keep quiet, knowing your best bet to finally get fucked is to just let him finish on his own time. He lets out a bemused huff and returns to his task, paying about as much attention to you as he would a pet.

Your forced patience just about runs out by the time he reaches the last of the heap. Instead of folding the final item, however, he holds it out in front of him thoughtfully. A satin dress, royal purple and lush with gathered hems. It was enough of a cocktail dress that it always felt too formal to wear around the house, and you’d yet to find the right opportunity to wear it on one of your rare excursions. Nevertheless, you’d decided to wash it in the hopes that it would inspire you to wear it. Now, it seems someone is going to beat you to the punch.

“This,” Jimin announces in a voice so low it’s nearly whispered, pulling it flush against him to feel the cool material on his skin, “I’m going to fuck you in this, little mouse.”

Almost out of your mind with arousal, your tongue is loosened and the words spill out easily. “You’ll look so pretty, Minnie, please put it on. Wanna see you fuck me pretty.”

Jimin’s chest heaves once, his fingers curling in the material before he’s lifting it swiftly over his head. The torso is a little tight going over his shoulders, but there’s plenty of give in the skirt and bust, and when his head pokes through it falls to his thighs so beautifully.

Looking more lush and exotic than a princess, Jimin runs his hands over himself, down his chest, stomach, hips and thighs. With lidded eyes, he smiles at the way it feels, before turning the full heat of his gaze to you.

“On your back,” he commands. “I want you to see me while I’m ruining you.”

You collapse back onto the now-flat bed almost immediately, legs parting without shame as your tied hands rest on your chest. He mounts you with the lithe grace of a panther, looking just as predatorial. The hem of the dress rides up his thighs with every movement, bunching around his ass, but it just saves him time in lining his cock up at your entrance, pausing for a moment to slick himself up before he snaps his hips forward with a satisfied growl.

The sudden penetration has you jerking automatically, but a moan is quick to follow. Already relaxed and soaking wet from your earlier orgasm, there’s nothing your pussy wants more right now than to be filled to the brim, and Jimin is certainly happy to oblige. Whining at his stillness, you clench around him and push your head back onto the duvet.

“Fuck, like that,” he mutters mindlessly, hands gripping the flesh of your ass to hold you against him. Releasing his grip onto to smack you, the punctuated noise sets him into gear, and before long he’s reaching a pace that leaves you gasping for air.

Still sensitive, you let out broken cries at the feeling, but he shows no mercy. The heat of his cock inside you and the cool of the satin on the backs of your thighs as he holds them up has your mind going hazy, and you let yourself slip deeper into that fuzzy headspace.

Things feel so much better when the only thoughts in your mind are Jimin, pretty Jimin, beautiful Jimin who takes you apart so thoroughly. Your whole body rocks up and down with the power behind his thrusts, but you’re content to ride the movements, focusing on his presence inside you.

“Fu-fuck,” Jimin gasps, “I won’t last long like this. Open your eyes, please, l-look at me.”

You had barely realised you’d closed them, but you blearily follow his instructions and blink up at him. His hair is heavy with sweat, his smoky eyes even more blurred, lips so swollen and beautiful. And the dress, the dress that looks better on him than it ever could you. “So pretty for me, Minnie,” you praise, heaving for air to propel your words, “fucking me so good, I’m close again already.”

Just saying the words aloud makes your statement even more true. You clench down tightly as he shifts angles slightly, his cock dragging against the base of your clit with every stroke. You begin to babble, curses and praises alike dripping from your lips like the saliva you can’t quite swallow back. He’s fucking you dumb, looking like a temptress as he fucks you into thoughtlessness, and before you know it you’re arching off the bed violently with your second orgasm.

This one is somehow more powerful than the first, even more so when Jimin cries out and joins you in that heady ecstasy. Tears prick at your eyes and wet your temples, but your lips stretch into a grin as you feel pleasure heat every single particle in your body.

Jimin’s spilled inside you, is still spilling inside you as he rocks his hips deeply and presses slack-jawed kisses into the crook of your neck, and the feeling has you trembling long after the aftershocks of your orgasm subside.

He recovers before you do, and the pressure around your wrists lifts, until the ribbon falls away entirely and his fingers massage the joints carefully. Still inside you, you can hear him suck in breaths through his teeth when you throb around him, but he makes no move to pull out. Rather, enjoying the closeness, he carefully grips your hip and tips you onto your side so that he can lie with you without lying on you.

You sigh at the sweet feeling of his lips roving over your neck, but as soon as the prickles of clarity return to you, you’re lifting his chin to join his mouth to yours.

Both of you are too tired to kiss properly, but you slowly move your mouth against him, wanting to taste him to the fullest. You stay like that, legs entwined, noses bumping, until sleep pulls at your consciousness.

Feeling Jimin’s face go still and his breathing even out, your heart warms with pure, deepset content. It requires all of your remaining energy, but you force your eyes open again to watch his expression, so sweet and angelic. Even without the dress, even without the makeup or the jewellery. “So beautiful,” you murmur, and finally let yourself sink under.

#jimin smut #jimin x reader #bts smut #bts x reader #jimin oneshot #pjm smut #the gentlemen #bts oneshot

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thedivinedemom · 3 years ago

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An AU of DC with a mass crossover of PS4 properties.

Provisional name: Players Searching for Detectable Changes (Get the pun?)

The setup:

This is the future of DC, a world where the old guard has slowly withdrawn and the newer generations have risen to the occasion. The original Titans in particular, most of which have formed the new Justice League while many other, very similar teams had started to form across the world. One of which was a resurgence of the Teen Titans, led by an older and purified Raven. She wanted to make the Teen Titans something akin as it was for her, a place to belong and learn to use one's powers.

The first 'class' of such individuals include:

Stargirl (of the now-disbanded JSA and still getting used to the Starrod)

Blue Beetle III (Freshly attached to his alien symbiote and freaking out a bit)

Robin V (to work on his anger issues, mostly at the new Batman's request)

Kaldur (a half Atlantean half metahuman who is struggling with his identity and the surface world, Aquaman feels a kinship for the boy seeing their similarities)

Static Shock (a promising new hero but little experience working outside his city or in groups)

Mary Marvel (she's... she's going through alot. Fresh from a coma, her brother is distant as he acts as the new Wizard, and she may be, sorta kinda, being corrupted by Black Adam's gifted power)

The team was rough and there was plenty of head butting (Mostly between Stargirl and Robin/Damian as one is almost the unanimous leader while the other thinks he should be) but they were getting there. They were more of a clean up crew for the Justice League, they did more than the "kiddie missions" that the Outsiders didn't do, and they meant more than the PR grab that was the International team. Though they didn't seem to amount to more than that. They still did their best, pushing past the silent ridicule, as they went about their missions.

This may be why tempers were so high that day.

One day, outside a little city by the name of Weller's Point, the prisoner transport for the villain Plasmus had an "accident". Released and awakened the creature went on a rampage, heading ever closer to the populated area. Luckily, the mentor of the New Teen Titans could teleport. The new team did fairly well in the fight, though they did struggle a bit as Plasmus was not a being where simple brute force would work. It made the fight tricky and more than a bit... messy.

Messy enough that juvenile and emotionally compromised Mary Marvel lashed out against the downed villain but was stopped by her teammates... things escalated from there. Restraint turned blows and the whole team struggled to stop their powerhouse without hurting her. The ones who do the best are Raven, Stargirl, Blue Beetle, and oddly Static.

While both of the former could use their abilities to restrain her to a very effective degree Static was actively draining her of strength, or at least of the electic aura she was radiating and blasting with. Frustrated, done with the situation, and a bit petty Mary launched her largest attack yet by saying her magical word.

SHAZAM.

Virgil did what he did best, he handled that lightning as it came crashing down towards Mary and the Titans restraining her. Well, he tried. The bolt was just too powerful, too unlike anything he had ever encountered. He could not handle it and it was dissipating, if anything it clung to him or tried to jump towards the girl. He had to get rid of it and he had to get rid of it quickly, safely too if he could help it.

He shoved it into the ground, into the power lines. He did it as carefully as he could, trying to prevent overload or flashover as guided the charge into the power grid.

What happened next was a combination of a few things. 1. The Mystic and transformative properties of the Lightning, 2. It is effectively being filtered through a bang baby, 3. The kryptonite power plant owned by, provided by, and operated by Lexcorp.

This interaction, this new charge, cycling through the power grid interacted strangely with a number of devices but none more so than PlayStation 4s and the devices connected to them. This new electricity changed things, literally. It brought fantasy into reality.

Whatever game was loaded into became a part of our reality in a small way. Sometimes TVs, Controllers, and even the system changed to reflect items from the game but the bigger change came with the Players. If a person was playing their console during the surge then they would become a metahuman with abilities based on the playable character they were playing.

The city, the county even, was now flooded by an abundance of metahumans and items of varying power of devastation. Static felt horrible.

He couldn't help but compare what has happened here to what happened in Dakota City but on a wider scale. And this time it was his fault. His sense of responsibility wouldn't, couldn't, let that stand. He had to fix his mistake and his team was dragged along for the ride.

The story to follow is a mix of Final Crisis and Kingdom Come with a bit of the Young Justice cartoon in events and themes, a few twists and likely a bit lighter in tone but to the DC geeks this should give a rough idea… Maybe a bit of Marvel's Civil War but hopefully not the rushed knee-jerk mess that that ended up being.

But it's here that I start having issues with my planning. One part in worry as outside the set up we start to follow the perspective of OCs (something rarely smiled upon) and another part in wondering which OC to focus on.

Now, one thing I love in fiction is progressive powers and the conflict escalating from the different paths people take in said progression. In that vein, I have a pair of protags in mind as well.

The main two/co-protagonists:

The Lawkeeper- a cop before the change and now a member of a task force made up largely of those affected by the surge. A gamer, a man of color, and a believer of the spirit of the law. He doesn't always get along with his fellow officers but he believes in what the blue does. He believes that an organized response is what is best.

His abilities are based on those of Jesse Fades of Control. Meaning he has tremendous psychic potential but he needs 3 things to reach his full potential.

1.Items to bond to so he can generate these psychic abilities. Jesse's used altered items of her universe to get thematic abilities from them (ex: a safe to generate a shield, a carousel horse for a dash ability, ect). Here he can use items generated by the surge.

2. A patron/partner entity to help guide, give insights, and empower. It also let's the user enforce reality, basically becoming an anti reality warper.

3. A bonded morph weapon or a weapon to come to his hand when called.

The knight- a recent college graduate who instantly decided to go the route of the caped hero. She, after figuring out how to get her powers to work, instantly went the route of a caped crusader. Going out to the streets, saving lives, stopping instances of surge item abuse, and (in the humble opinion of the local Police Department) getting in the way of operations. In her opinion they were taking too long to get things done.

Her abilities are based on those of Prince Noctis of Final Fantasy XV. This means she has tremendous physical and magical potential but like the above she has a number of check marks needed to gain access to the character's full power.

1. A gem/crystal to draw power from.

2. 13 magical weapons to boost strength. The generated game weapons will do and I have most picked out in a way that likely would help the plot progress.

3. The blessing of 5-6 gods.

4. A power ring of some king to channel all this power.

I keep debating the two above as I do like the idea of both of them climbing in power and clashing over conflicting ideals of what to do with their power. At the same time, I think that just smooshing aspects of both into one (which is actually where they started, a single character) and play off the different ideologies of how best to help people from within her friend group and precinct along with internal conflict. Maybe have the one be a fellow officer they butt heads with because of the... precarious nature

Another OC I was thinking on, keeping with the theme of what to do when you have power, is a thief who played Persona 5. Like both of the above they would be crippled in their ability to use their abilities without a way to fake the connection to. In this case, without the Mementos App, they would need an item that could affect or enter the hearts of others. Luckily, more unlucky really, there are plenty of items floating around that can do just that. Namely Keyblades.

Most other Players are an odd mix but most are variations of the Shooter build. Peak physical humans who heal quickly and often have bullet time. But there are enough other variations to cause trouble. Demigods of unreal strength, men and women who can easily tap into a patron for powers from the outside, 2 variations of spider powers, cat eyed men and women who can cast magic with simple gestures, and so much more. But the real issue was the first two, the demigods without a parent to protect them and those easily connected to a divine source.

The disembodied New Gods of Apocalypse were very happy with those groups. For how bad this can be please look at what happened to Mary Marvel in canon Final Crisis.

Thoughts and opinions would be appreciated.

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