#i will fight chibnall

[cringecompanionapologist]

When Moffat Era Who screwed up it was usually due to the Presence of Bad. When Chibnall Era Who screwed up it was usually due to the Absence of Good.

Twice Upon a Time fucked up the First Doctor by having him show up and be written poorly. The Timeless Children fucked up the First Doctor by ignoring his character arc and having the Doctors before him already acting like new series Doctors with a police box TARDIS.

Presence of Bad, Absence of Good.

This is usually the same the other way around. The best Moffat stories are due to the Presence of Good. The best Chibnall stories are due to the Absence of Bad.

[sandymybeloved]

its really funny to me (and by funny i mean infuriating), how vastly different the acceptable levels of silly nonsense are between different eras of specifically the revival

its like, RTD era: incredibly dumb moment (affectionate), Moffat era: that's silly (derogatory), Chibnall era: I have to suspend my disbelief??? (borderline homocidal)

[terranceholdsapencil]

I am a chibnall era hater at heart but if you dare disrespect the queen I WILL come for you

Jo Martin thought she ate but she DEVOURED

And this is one of the most beautiful tardis designs ever:

It even has the round things. I love the round things. What are the round things? No idea.

[thenotoriousscuttlecliff]

A typical day on dwtwt:

"You know, both Chibnall and RTD2 have had episodes plots leaked. it is pretty normal for the show."

"No, only S12 leaked, but every RTD2 plot has leaked."

"Actually, there were major leaks every season under Chibnall right up to the Power of the Doctor."

"Yeah, but every RTD2 episode leaked and that's not normal."

"I just said that it was pretty nor-"

"EVERY RTD2 EPISODE LEAKED AND THAT ISN'T NORMAL, ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID OR SOMETHING??!!!!"

"Okay, I think it is time to end this-"

"Why you so hurt over this? Pathetic."

*Blocked*

"Finally the **** blocked me."

[buildoblivion]

listen ik we’re all entitled to have opinions about classic who but if one more modern production member talks shit about the 80s run I’m gonna have to chew glass

[readingwriter92]

like idk how excited I am about the plots of any of this newest season of doctor who but man if I'm not loving the shit out of Ncuti Gatwa's doctor. And also Ruby, I love her.

So far I actually really liked Boom? And the last one I just watched was Rogue and I did have a lot of fun with the character of Rogue and his and the doctor's relationship. I knew it was going to happen, didn't know outcome/specifics. So it was a lot of fun.

[doctormastertardis]

Ugh i am a nerd 🥹😭🫨

I fucking spend most of my free time thinking about Time as an entity ("the eternals"), and if space can actually "exist" without time, and/or vice versa. 🙃

[couldbegayer]

hot take but i think some whovians who believe doctor who was at its best with tennant or smith will never be happy with the show. comparing new episodes to the feeling of nostalgia is a fight that no showrunner or actor can win. there were issues with moffat and chibnall's eras of course but they were by no means the train wrecks that people say. i've been rewatching some of tennant's run and let me just say, if some of those stories had whittaker in the titles then they would have been ripped to shreds. it's okay to have rose-coloured glasses (pun intended) for a particular era but man. people are setting themselves up for disappointment when the vibes of the new era aren't exactly the same as the original rtd run. i can see it now.

[youremyonlyhope]

What is your favourite Doctor Who story?

ROUND 2 MASTERPOST

synopses and propaganda under the cut

The Last Sontaran

Synopsis

Reports of strange lights around the Tycho Project's radio telescope lead Sarah Jane, Luke, Clyde and Maria into a terrifying forest encounter. Sarah Jane comes face-to-face with her oldest enemy. Meanwhile, Maria wrestles with a huge decision when her dad is offered a new job in America.

Propaganda no propaganda submitted

Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang

Synopsis

Captain John Hart, an old friend of Jack's, appears through the Rift and causes problems for the Torchwood team.

Propaganda no propaganda submitted

[nethnad]

thinking about time lords and their fucked up little society again and i just realized how devastating the revelation of the drums in the end of time is in relation to the master's character.

because of all the renegade time lords in the universe, i think it's the master who most exemplifies the philosophical outlook that the time lords have towards the rest of the universe. they're stuffy observers, administrators, yes - but this position is one they've decided for themselves because of this concept of supremacy over other life forms. imposed and upheld this idea that other species that lack a time sense are less-than, primitive. and the master buys into this hard.

and i mean... compared to the doctor, the master is good at being a time lord. he buys into these supremacist concepts, this idea that every other species (and especially humans) is practically a meaningless ant in the grand scheme of the universe. takes it to the extreme, yes, but its the same underlying principle. he's a good student (despite whatever chibnall might think) - that one time lord from terror of the autons (identity forever a mystery) (its brax) even says "he did receive a higher degree of cosmic science than you." the master could play their game if he wanted to. he's remarkably comfortable with being on gallifrey/the idea of gallifrey(in eot/tlotl) than the doctor ever is. where the doctor avoids the subject of the lord presidency like the plague, the master is like "well if you kill the president you ARE the president! and then you have all of gallifrey!" and when the doctor destroys gallifrey (nominally), the master tries to rebuild it in the sound of drums/last of the time lords. tries to emulate their society. honor them in his little fucked up way. he brings them back from the time war!

and what does he get for it? how did the time lords treat him in response?

they decide to implant the sound of drums in his head, stretching back until he's a child. puts this insufferable noise, this splitting headache, in his head for his entire life. all so that they may live while he dies. because he is diseased, because of them. he has swallowed the pill, bought their propaganda, he has followed the rules, he tried to rebuild them he tried. and in response he is chewed up and spit out like trash so that rassilon's god complex can survive while the universe crumbles.

how crushing must that be to someone? to have your whole worldview - that you are better, you are chosen, you are special - come crumbling down in a few short moments? to see the revered founder-god of the civilization you have so desperately tried to revive look at you and say "you are diseased," even though he was the one to poison you in the first place?

and as his heart is torn to pieces... when rassilon says "no more," and charges his gauntlet, the master - who has spent countless lives fighting death with his bare hands - does not move.

part of me thinks he does not want to.

[gallifreyinstituteforlearning]

I understand why people can't travel into the time war. But what's stopping me from travelling to gallifrey before the time war

How does the Time War time lock work?

🕰️ The Time Lock Explained

During the Last Great Time War, the Time Lords were fighting an all-out, no-holds-barred war with the Daleks, and things got really messy. To protect Gallifrey and its history from being altered by the Daleks, the Time Lords time locked the events of the Time War and Gallifrey's entire history.

This time lock acted like an impenetrable barrier in time, preventing anyone (even other Time Lords) from travelling into Gallifrey's past or into the Time War itself. The reason you couldn't get into Gallifrey's history was to make sure that its history couldn't be changed—no sneaky Dalek plots to prevent Rassilon's birth, no meddling in Gallifrey's early days. Can you imagine if they did? No Rassilon? Oh, the horrors!

However, this time lock wasn't perfect. There were some breaches, suggesting it wasn't as strong as some might have hoped.

🛑 But Wait, There's More...

However, it's worth noting that long before the Time War, Rassilon time locked the Dark Times, declaring it off-limits. This was meant to contain certain ancient horrors and potential dangers. Despite this, that pesky Doctor has made trips to pre-Time Lord Gallifrey, so this lock doesn't always work either.

🔓 What About Now?

These days, the Time War time lock is no longer in place, and Gallifrey can be reached at its new location at the end of the universe. So, if you want to travel to Gallifrey before the Time War, you can do so.

However, before you merrily jet off, I'd probably check with Professor Chibnall first—he has some wild theories that Professor Davies has yet to clarify in his lectures on the state and whereabouts of Gallifrey.

Related:

💬|📜👽Does Gallifrey have anyone they've had friendly interactions with?: History of historical alliances Gallifrey have made

🤔|⚔️🧬Could post-War Time Lords have biological hangups from the conflict?

📺|⚔️🪖The Could’ve Been King with his army of … etc.

Hope that helped! 😃

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[akajustmerry]

I haven't seen chibnall but I have a hard time imagining being worse than moffat. I'm sure it's possible but that man... he was bad. also out of curiosity what's the problem with eccleston? or did you just use his name as a reference for which era was rtd. feel free to ignore this if you like, I hope you have a good day!

hellooo!

look, you won't hear me arguing moffat wasn't bad but believe me Chibnall was worse. He wrote an entire sequence where the Doctor tricks the Master (then played by British-Indian actor Sacha Dhawan) into being caught by the Nazis, knowing what the Nazis would do to him. Like, the Doctor, presenting as a white woman, handed over the Master, her best friend presenting as a Brown man to the most notorious white supremacist regimes in history. And that moment was framed as a successful ploy!! As a "win" for the Doctor.

I'm sorry but, to me, Moffats fucking decrepit cringe Gen X Misogyny did nowhere near as much damage as thoughtlessly portraying the Doctor as someone who will literally use Nazism against a poc and framing it as clever girlboss behaviour. Like, it's not fun that these are the people we have to choose from but one of these things is not like the other.

As for the Eccleston stuff, I was referring to Christopher Eccleston's conflict with the BBC and by extension implied conflict with RTD. The full details of the conflict have never been fully made public but Eccleston has always maintained he quit the show due to the culture created by the show runners and producers. He's said he'd never work with RTD again. Eccleston implied that one of the reasons the relationship between himself and RTD broke down was Eccleston's desire for the Doctor to be a role model whose intellect wasn't inherently tied to being upper class English and had to really fight to use his natural accent. It's worth noting that the we wouldn't have a Doctor without an RP (received pronunciation) accent again until Capaldi. David even mentioned Russell's "enthusiasm" for DT to speak in RP not his natural accent in his interview with Jodie in 2020.

I want to believe that RTD has grown since the mid 00s, and perhaps this time around things will be different. But I think a lot of people point to Moffat as the worst because his bigotry is the most visible and easiest to critique. It's more popular and acceptable to critique sexism against white women than it is to critique racism and classism. But in reality all of these showrunners are white British men who have pulled white British bullshit and I won't stand for Chibnall and Davies shortcomings being scapegoated via Moffat.

Also, this is not a defense necessarily but a lot of people who hate moffat era who did NOT watch Capaldi's seasons and did not watch season 10 with Bill Potts. So their critique often lacks the perspective of Moffat's best season that proves he's capable of writing something genuinely compelling that's not gross and sexiest. Like it genuinely infuriates me when people talk about "moffat who" but they're only really talking about Matt Smiths seasons. Again none of that is a defence but it's just to say that most people who say Moffat is the worst are people who a) are really talking about Sherlock, which, fair enough that was shit b) people who just think 10th Doctor best Doctor and don't actually care about anything after that era in any meaningful way. Or c) people who have a pretty incomplete view of the series was and where it currently is.

omg this is long sorry I hope I don't sound rude I'm not trying to be I just have so many thoughts about this. I hope this answers your question, please let me know if I need to clarify anything <3

[thetardisisnotourdivision]

Everything I Know About Twilight (I've never read the books OR watched the films)

They're all EXTREMELY Catholic/Mormon.

Edward and Bella are. Boring.

And also like the worst characters in the whole thing.

There's loads of really cool supporting characters.

Bella and Alice are basically a couple. And have like. Way more chemistry than anyone else.

Bella is "not like other girls"

The werewolf guy is for some reason in love with Ratatouille or whatever the fuck the baby is called (a LITERAL infant)

Edwards immediate reaction to Bella is to cover his nose (which is fucking hilarious)

One of the Cullens became a vampire because he fought a bear too hard

They… Can't eat food?

The books are Painful

The movies are WORSE

I'm not even going to go into the honeymoon thing bc it all freaks me out anyway and this? This is just too much.

LOTS of weird religious subtext.

By subtext I mean Chibnall levels of subtlety (smashing-people-in-the-face-with-a-sledgehammer style)

Apparently there are lines about collarbones being exposed and Edward being attractive in khakis. Again, weird Mormon subtext.

Bella nearly dies like. Too much.

There's a bit where Eddie tries to kill himself in the most EXTRA way possible.

The town is called Forks

Vampires ✨SPARKLE✨

"Hold on tight, spider-monkey" ?!

Weird age gaps are all👏the👏rage👏

Full on glorification of abusive relationships

Apparently Fifty Shades is based off it like literal fanfiction

Bella's dad is low-key trying to murder Edward

The baby grows up REAL quick

There's a whole fight sequence that just. Didn't really happen.

Everything's filmed with a really weird filter?

Edward is SO Catholic

The Cullens suck at pretending to be human.

[cipher-fresh]

being a chibnall hater on main again sorry. obligatory warning that i generally like the 13th doctor era before i get really negative

i can forgive boring plots or villains if the character interactions between the Doctor and companions are fun but in the Chibnall era it would fall from okay to Utterly boring if you took away Yaz being a lesbian. Yeah, Graham makes funny quips sometimes but does Ryan even have like. A personality? Character traits? This isn't because I dislike Ryan's character, this is because I feel like he had so much potential and it was utterly, utterly squandered. Can you name an "iconic" Ryan moment off the top of your head? Probably not. God, I wish his character had more to do. He's the first main Black male companion in the entire show (don't get into a fight with me about Mickey and the definition of a companion) and he gets utter scraps of a character. Was Tosin Cole frustrated playing this role? Ryan could have been a fantastic audience surrogate but everything distinctive about him is dropped so fast. I've written fanfiction that centers him but the fact the text of Doctor Who does nothing interesting with him frustrates me to tears. God.

[smallblueandloud]

i keep feeling like. there's something parallel between rose and yaz's endings. maybe parallel isn't the right word -- but i keep wanting to draw comparisons, i think because they're two characters who really defined specific doctors and for whom it's basically confirmed the doctor returned their (romantic) feelings

(they're not the ONLY ones who fit this description, but i'm in no way qualified to talk about clara or even river, so bear with me)

it just feels. i don't know. rose never leaves on purpose. she is separated from the doctor, forcibly, every single time. the doctor sends her home, or she gets stuck in an alternate universe, or the doctor leaves her in the same alternate universe. every single time, she fights to get back to the doctor. the writers had to create a perfect happy ending for her (half-human version of her doctor who'll age along with her, in the alternate universe where her father is alive) because otherwise she wouldn't stop fighting to get back to the doctor, and the show can't have that. the show needs to move on. we need rose to fade into the past.

i haven't seen all of yaz's episodes, but her arc seems very similar from the limited amount i've seen. she keeps fighting to get back to the doctor. she's in love with the doctor, and the doctor basically confirms returning her feelings, albeit in a very stilted, hesitant, doctor-y way (compare "imagine that happening to someone you--" with "and if i was going to, believe me, it would be with you").

but when yasmin's doctor regenerates... yaz is just expected to. step away, go back to living her life, never see the doctor again. kinda like the abandonment that most companions have ever experienced -- getting dropped off once and then goodbye forever! -- except with more of the onus on her. the show has to move on from rose's era, so she gets dumped on a beach. the show has to move on from yasmin's era, so yaz has to accept that the doctor is going off to die alone. she has to make her peace with that information.

i don't know. i think yaz's ending is trying to go hand-in-hand with graham and ryan's purposeful exit -- it seems like the chibnall era tried really hard to have Not Terrible endings for companions. which is very admirable! but honestly? yasmin's ending feels crueler than most, including rose's. yaz was in love with the doctor. the doctor reciprocated those feelings. they should've gotten their equivalent of s2-era 10rose! she should've gotten a chance to stay with the doctor through their regeneration, the way other love interests have been able to (s/o to river and clara!).

i know this is because of the limitations of the show. bad ratings meant chibnall left after only one regeneration, and new incarnations of the show rarely bring in characters from other eras.

but i'm still very sad for yaz :( like yes, she wasn't just dumped on the curb without warning. but she was still expected to say goodbye to someone she loved, knowing that person was dying, and not say a word of protest. if the previous history of the show is any indication, she's never going to see the doctor again. she doesn't get a half-human version of the doctor to live out her days with, and she's not "allowed" to fight to get back to the doctor, either, due to the way the show's structured (but also the way the doctor talked about them saying goodbye). she has to live the rest of her life knowing that the doctor is out there, perfectly capable of visiting, and the only reason they won't visit is because yaz is from a specific time of their life that they've moved on from.

i know she has the companion support group. and i know she'll move on! she's yaz. she's strong and self-actualized. she'll be okay, eventually. but she has to be okay, you know? she has to learn to live without the doctor. rose never had to do that.

it just makes me sad :(

[theangelshavethephonebox]

What I love about this fandom is that, no matter how sad the Master's backstory is, we never let it excuse his actions. I just think it sets a really healthy precedent not only for behaviour towards other villains or fandoms, but for how we treat people in our own lives, too.

Going through absolute shit in your childhood does not excuse being an absolute asshole later.

And we have the ultimate example of this-

Most of the fandom agrees he was probably abused by his dad, then he had to look into the untempered schism (which sent him mad+ he gained the drums), got taken away from his family to go to the academy (which he said deprived him of a childhood). His friend group fell apart after two of them fucking DIED and one of them betrayed the others, his best friend got expelled, his friends all left. But, not before he almost drowned and his best friend killed his bully and then pushed the guilt onto him. He and his best friends ended up rivals, the only contact they let themselves have was the fighting, and then the war happened. He witnessed such atrocities- possibly had to fight part of it as a CHILD (according to one comic), had PTSD, was kept in a vault by their bestie for 70 yrs, complete with guilt and general mental fucked upedness, killed themself and got killed by themself, who had just discovered that the drums were put into their head as a child BY THE BASICALLY GOD OF THEIR SOCIETY to use him as a homing beacon. I won't even go into the terror of finding out your entire planet was destroyed, or that it was your best friend who did that, or dying over and over, or whatever the hell was going on in Chibnall's era.

What I love about this fandom is we never let all of this be an EXCUSE. They can be mitigating factors and explanations but they can never, ever be excuses.

Because he's done terrible things- he's taken over and destroyed so many planets, he tortured Martha's family, he turned the whole of Earth into a factory and the humans into slaves, he killed a lot of people and basically led Bill to her death, tried to manipulate 12 into killing Clara, DID manipulate things so 12 and Clara met and almost destroyed time because of it, killed children, destroyed his own people (if you believe Chibnall), rose a cyber army of human dead people (what about the sanctity of the dead my guy????) And gave it to their bestie for a bday present... I could go on.

Explanations are useful for turning someone into your babygirl, your poor pathetic meow meow, but they should never excuse terrible acts like this.