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ohhhhh okay them living together at the time makes sense! also oh god thats even worse than I thought it would be with Izuna accusing Madara of homophobia nfksnfj I for some reason was assuming that was an accusation made like, in private when it was just the four of them until Tobirama went to the bathroom or something but. He would pull a hundred random bystanders into his drama just to manipulate things into getting what he wants, wouldn't he? Random strangers feeling intensely uncomfortable as Izuna starts up this dramatic wailing accusation in like, the busy town centre right at lunch time on a weekend (so it's REALLY busy) or something,,,
Excellent ideas I approve he would do that. I think it would be really funny if both parties slightly failed at Izuna's mandates at first though,,,for example Tobirama getting into uncomfortable situations because he walked into Izuna having an intense argument with someone, only for Izuna to pull the "Tobirama agrees with me, RIGHT TOBIRAMA?" and unbeknownst to Tobirama he is now going to be arguing the exact opposite side of the same argument he had with this same person like, less than 48 hours ago, because apparently Izuna's opinion differs to his own. So that's intensely awkward for Tobirama and he's not sure what to do about it; he's now having to attempt to escape being cornered/interrogated by this third party who has Questions about his abrupt turn around and ahhhhh. Izuna meanwhile imposed the "hourly check-in texts when you're not with me" rule only to be incredibly unsatisfied with it at first because I bet he didn't adequately specify the kind of information he wanted Tobirama to provide him with in said texts, and Tobirama has no idea what he wants so probably for a while Izuna gets either really bizarre texts or texts that he considers to be completely insufficient ("this is tobirama. I am alive and well. I am still not at your side unfortunately. this concludes my hourly check-in-")
okay the thing about the nudes makes me think like does Izuna reach that point and then more or less stay at that level of insanity, or does he keep escalating? and if he does keep escalating to eventually the point of actual sex/dates? etc at what point does he stop insisting "this is normal for besties" and have to switch tactics to somehow cement Tobirama as his boyfriend (or whatever title Izuna deems will most get him what he wants whilst also vitally ensuring Tobirama does not do anything similar with any other friends he may (admittedly unrealistically) acquire at any point)?
ALTERNATIVELY. Alternatively. Maybe Tobirama (...unknowingly? who can say) escalates things himself because usually when Izuna demands nudes it's, yk, via text when they aren't together at the time, so Tobirama just strips off in his bedroom or whatever when he next gets an opportunity, fulfills Izuna's latest increasingly specific demands, takes a pic and texts it over. BUT at some point (maybe because Tobirama's phone ran out of battery, and he's just now checking it after having charged it properly) he only receives the text demanding nudes whilst actually in the room with Izuna. And nobody else is there, they're in private, and leaving or waiting to be alone in his own bedroom to fulfill Izuna's demand when the man is RIGHT THERE seems stupid and inefficient so instead Tobirama checks his phone, thinks about it for approximately thirty seconds, and then stands up to start discarding his clothes and Izuna is like WOAH woah what's happening here okay suddenly I have a naked Tobirama in my room. Okay. And Tobirama goes if you want a photo you might as well take it yourself since you're here, it would be easier and likely come out better. And Izuna goes uh huh uh huh that's true...you have a point to ensure they come out better maybe you should allow me to take every photo of you from now on? And Tobirama is like yeah okay that seems logical
His litmus on 'normal friendship behaviour' is extremely far off you are right. The idea that it took until the nudes for Tobirama to realise maybe this wasn't normal absolutely makes sense for him Tobirama would just roll with it up to that point,,,but it also makes me wonder if Tobirama attempts to apply any of his 'newly learned normal behaviours' to attempting to med his only other notable relationship, i.e. his brother, which could potentially get very interesting/complicated very fast, especially depending on how specifically Izuna was acting abt the physical touch assumptions or if any form of dirty talk adjacent stuff happened prior to demands of nudes. That could cause everything to go up in flames! Bewildered and horrified Hashirama trying to figure out who corrupted his baby brother and made him think this kind of shit was normal, Izuna frantically trying to do damage control to avoid Tobirama being taken from him
(-alternatively Hashirama being into it actually which would make things complicated in a whole different way-)
(feel free to ignore that bit if you want)
UM alternatively did Izuna forsee the possibility of 'okay Tobirama has no idea what's normal except what I tell him, and he interacts with approximately nobody who could correct him, which is excellent for me, but I should probably proactively ensure the One Person he sometimes interacts with who Might correct him...doesn't' and so has to do some 'yes this is normal but ONLY AROUND ME' gymnastics
'Madara has faith in Izuna as a person (a mistake)' <- I think this is an absolutely vital, defining part of the relationship between the Uchiha brothers and if you can't accurately apply this to your depiction of them perhaps you should reconsider your characterisation of them (I am half joking but only half)
Very funny to me that Hashirama (oblivious) is happy, and Izuna (getting everything he wants) is happy, and Tobirama (getting a friend and (mostly) unbothered by the weirdness) is happy, meanwhile Madara is having a complete breakdown about his poor baby brother's safety. Poor Madara he's the only one not having a good time in this au cidbjfnf
okay so from an outside perspective people may notice some of the weirdness (Tobirama suddenly spending all his time with Izuna and always backing up Izuna even when it means contradicting himself) but that is probably more or less excused as like, understandable intensity/attachment to His One Friend The First Ever. As long as you never get hold of their phones and see their messaging history, it's excusable, pretty much. Except now I desperately want to know how Madara would react if he DID get a hold of their messaging history lmao
everything about this is so so so so good. thank you for answering all my questions!!! ...sorry for immediately flinging more at you whoops
modern au where izuna is in a tragic accident and it puts him in a coma and tobirama is like sweet, a way to practice friendship. because tobirama has absolutely zero friends except his brother, who's been pissed at him for over a year. so- he needs the practice.
so every day he goes in to visit and he changes out the flowers at izunas bedside and fixes the sheets and updates him in what's been happening while he's in the coma. with all the tact he has, which is very little.
tobirama: hello izuna. class went well today. you would've liked the chemistry lesson. your cousin hikaku broke down crying behind the school because he misses you. your other cousin obito called me a slur when he noticed i saw this and then he chased me down and shoved my head into a toilet. the cafeteria was serving cold rice again at lunch. this concludes my report. get well soon.
what tobirama is unaware of is that this is the kind of coma that izuna is actually largely aware of whats happening around him, he just can't respond or move in any way. so he knows about tobiramas daily visits and updates and weird attempts at friendship. (tobirama's consistant reports on class lessons actually means when he wakes up, he doesn't need to do too much to catch up on work.)
so when izuna finally wakes up, he decides to do his own crazy move- to lie that they've always been friends, actually. best friends. joined at the hip practically. tobirama assumes this is some kind of brain damage situation but gleefully takes the opportunity to have a friend. izuna uses the justification of them being lifelong friends to violate a number of boundaries and behave in completely inappropriate ways.
madara also assumes this is some kind of brain damage consequence and considers tobirama an evil blight on his brother's life that must be vanquished. he keeps desperately trying to prove that they didn't get along before izuna's coma, but izuna just keeps making up loopholes and excuses to disprove his evidence.
eventually izuna tearfully confesses that madara is right, there's no physical proof of their lifelong friendship....because he himself destroyed it all! he and tobirama were/are actually boyfriends, see, but he was so worried that his brother would be homophobic about it that he never kept proof of their relationship! his close call with death has made him realize the importance of treasuring the time he has with tobirama, even if.... (loud sob) even if madara is being even MORE homophobic about this than he had once feared.....(Sob)
madara: oh. uh. i. uh
hashirama: madara.....how could you.....
#youre vvv welcome! im incredibly glad to hear that actually im always a little worried im just being a Bother yk so im glad to hear that#thank you#thank you for your awesome posts and for answering my questions also <3
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my mom knows more about me than I do
#i was just like OHHHHH THATS WHAT THAT IS#shout out to my mom for always knowing about my identity before i do#love you mom#comic#queer#queer art#comics#art#illustration#mossiistars
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thinking about klavier gavin again because i saw someone say that the fact that he's the only prosecutor in the series who wants to find the truth and isn't insanely obsessed with winning like the other prosecutors makes him really boring
and i understand it to some extent when comparing him to other prosecutors but... Klavier Gavin??? BORING????
after playing aa4 i was OBSESSED with klavier gavin and the untouched potential of this guy
he loses his best friend/bandmate, his brother AND his mentor in the span of like a year?? i think??? which is INSANE.
there's something very tragic about klavier, a person who values finding the truth above all else, finding out that two of the people closest to him betrayed his trust and lied to him and used him for their own means AND ARE MURDERERS.
and then his mentor, a person who taught that seeking the truth is what a lawyer should do, gets murdered by a person who believes that winning in trials is the most important thing above all else WHICH IS THE SAME EXACT THING THAT KRISTOPH VALUED AS WELL !!!
this core belief of finding out the truth that klavier has, leads him to finding out about the things that daryan and kristoph did, and even though they are important to him, people he CARES about, he continues to work with apollo to see that justice is served.
and the fact that we don't get to see anything of klavier getting any closure after the events of aa4 makes me insane
we never get to see much of klavier's feelings on what happened or him fully processing the events of aa4 and that one case in aa5 and it makes me soooo upset. i wish he got more than that little cameo in aa5 and that one tiny flashback appearance in aa6.
in an alternate universe, aa4 got a true sequel that fully explored klavier's character, as well as phoenix's, klavier's, AND apollo's relationship with kristoph, and klavier's relationship with phoenix post-aa4, and also a more thought out? (for the lack of a better word) backstory for apollo, and an exploration of the jury system, and a game that ACTUALLY built upon the foundation that aa4 laid out.
and i am forever upset that we are not in that alternate universe.
#celeste rambles#ace attorney spoilers#klavier gavin#apollo justice#aa4#aa4 spoilers#aa5#aa5 spoilers#i will say tho i actually do like what they tried to do with apollo's backstory in aa6#also sorry if none of this makes sense im not very good at articulating my thoughts#and i have MANY thoughts about klavier gavin#he still sticks to finding the truth no matter what even when the murderer ends up being people close to him#actually now that i think about it its really interesting how in aa5 apollo starts to doubt his trust in people#and then theres that whole “evidence is everything” moment which made me lose my mind#arghhhakhfjwfkw#i really want to replay the entire ace attorney series now#i love aa4 and i will never stop thinking about it#AND I LOVE KLAVIER GAVIN!!!#ofc everyones entitled to their own opinions if you think aa4 isnt that good or that klaviers boring thats fine#but ohhhhh i havent been able to stop thinking about klavier#also i wish phoenix and klavier interacted more???#i wish we got to see them have a proper talk about kristoph and phoenix's disbarment#theres so many things in aa4 that felt like they were supposed to be touched upon in the next game and they just... weren't#i will keep saying this until the day i die that if aa4 got an actual duology or trilogy that focused on the main cast of aa4 and#kept apollo as the main protag of the series#then aa4 would be praised a lot more and more universally liked#i do think after the release of the aj trilogy more people are starting to appreciate aa4 which is really nice <3
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observations while im continuing my first DM reread after the talon brain invasion of september 2023
#which is funny bc i am not a huge izutsumi fan but the similarities that come from Being Cats is undeniable#talkys#also ive reread dm lots of times by now but i always Forget bc thats how my brain is#and like. dude i always forget how 😧 mithruns whole thing is.#ykwim. when he's. ykwim. jesus#''what part of me are you [______]'' jesus christ.#also wait ok just rambling abt dm here god god god god recent self development has me clinging to thistle so hard.#i dont know what it is. (i do know what it is.)#ohhhhh the unending single minded devotionnn the not being young but drawn and written as a forever child throwing a tantrummm#codependency and denial and not really ever being granted the love you seek.
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"i hated owen for all/most of s1 i only started liking him in s2" weak. i liked owen since he got choked against a wall by an angry woman and then told her he wanted to shag her immediately afterwards. and then even more when he spent ep3 trying to intimidate and murder a rapist
#txt#torchwood posting#owen in the pilot? trash. but i tend to think ep3 was his comeuppance#anyway i was biased goin into tw but nonetheless. i loved him near immediately#i was like oh hermann from pr but hes a mean shitty little twink ohh???#oh hes fucked up! oh he has murder in his eyes and hes crying! oh im obsessed! and it spiraled from there#which is usually how it goes#sigh#but yeah ep3 was when i rllyyyy started to love owen#the obsession. the vigilantism. going against jack's orders.#that one shot where gwen looks at him and he looks dangerous#i think what got me was in ep1 we see torchwood broke suzie and pushed her to kill#so seeing that a second torchwood member was also at that point only two eps later#it was like ohhhhh. ohhh thats whats going on here#and then it's amplified like the end of s1 is just owen spiraling so hard he almost destroys the world. and it was fucking fantastic#even if the cgi was bad lmfao#s1s character arcs all have to do with exploring how that life breaks people. esp ppl who were already broken. as we find out in s2e12#& owen's the best example he's sooo fucking mentally ill and self destructive and toxic and miserable and he means the fucking world to me#and then they threw it all away in s2 to make him palatable 😒#but thats a me problem. i do luv s2 owen just in a diff way#and im v fond of the undead arc#but s1 owen just hits diff for me. burn played him as a scared little boy and it rlly rlly shows#sss
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OOOH HES YELLING
(Spoilers for Orv in the tags, bc I’m commentating now I guess)
#ANGY MOMENT#going post#orv#All these backhanded comments from her… the tensionnnnn#‘It’s about time you faced reality’ OH THATS LOADED#‘Just a few words from her and my whole world is shaking violently’ the devastating power of a mom to suck all good vibes from a room#The way he’s standing so still and his back is fully straight. It’s like he’s stuck in the role of a kid getting scolded#‘Sell off reality to be fiction like you did’ what does that mean??? Huh?#OH OKAY BACKSTORY TIME#I mean honestly. Kind of slay of her to kill her and her sons abuser#OHH OH I SEE. I SEE WHAT HE MEANT NOW#SELL OFF REALITY TO BE FICTION….. AND HE HAD TO LIVE POKED AND PRODDED BY THE MEDIA BC SHE MADE THEIR TRAUMA FAMOUS#HE DIDNT GET TO BE A NORMAL KID IN ANY CAPACITY…….. MAN.#‘Things were a little difficult because of that’ DOKJA. DUDE.#ohhhhh and now the constellations would feel weird abt donating right now.#‘To think my life was being exchanged for money by someone else’ HAHA GETTEM DOKJA#‘Haha that was all a lie jk’ hey man. you are not mentally well
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i knowww that its bc most aa fans havent played aa in a while and are working off from their memory and memory tends to retain the enjoyable moments of a game rather than the worst i get it but whatever im still PRESSEDDDD its just UGHHHH whatever whatever Whateverrrrejxnsjfi
#aa3 literally one of the most sexist piece of work ive ever played and irdgaf that theres even worst and more sexist games out there#bc guess what! that DOESNT negate aa3s sexism like oh my godddd THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS!!!!#godots whole schtick is literally A Woman Needs A Man To Protect Her AND BIG TOP LITERALLY EXISTS and MIA is a NON CHARACTER#i just Ohhhhh my god the rose tinted glasses everyone has on. UGH
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i love how werewolves can account for so many things. trans allegory. mental illness/mental disorder allegory. probably could go for neurodivergent allegory too if you ask the right people who think it that way
#metronome.txt#ever since i saw that one werewolf post about werewolves being an allegory for being selfaware of your mental problems#and fearing just because youre not currently a wolf doesnt mean its not still deep within#or something alone those lines cause i havent seen the post in a long long while#it like definitely changed something in my brain that made me go ohhhhh my god ok haha ok yeah i get it haha oh god yeah#and now im like#oh yeah. werewolves can def be an allegory for disorders. especially when they act up and when you feel awful about it#definitely a way i look at my bpd episodes now in days. have been for probably a year now.#also pretty much why i go 'oh yeah im a werewolf girlie' much akin to im a wolfgirlie or a doggirlie or whateverrr its part of the illnesse#but enough explaining what i mean about that shit. its just cool thats what it means to me#but its so cool seeing how to a lot of other people its a trans or gender kind of thing#and when i said neurodivergent i just meant like. knowing that youre different then most people deep down. its the alienation#if that makes sense#but thats again something youd have to ask someone who does see werewolves that way cause im sure theyre out there#they could explain it better
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implied major f.naf spoilers under the cut
and if i said lune and i are already planning a canon divergent half-siblings roommate au for our movie verse mike and vanessa
#fnaf movie spoilers#i was sitting at applebees drinking my margarita for like 30 minutes staring into space like ‘what do i DO’#oh i’m figuring it out… ohhhhh i’m figuring things out#i’m trying very hard to contextualize my verse in my brain even if it’s something minor#bc the personality is SO. HITS THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD. THATS MY FUCKING BLORBO#but i lowkey … don’t want to make a . just fully compliant verse or sideblog#idk i’ll sit on it#i’m normal#⁂ ・゚: i was looking for a job‚ and then i found a job‚ and heaven knows i’m miserable now ➛ ooc
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im thinking abt the logistics of bottoming for a man in full plate armor. dont. dont talk 2 me right now.
#'well adam couldnt you just ride him' thats literally counterintuitive.#to what? i dont fucking know.#hang on. gods.#no actually i take this back i think it would be fine#the chafing would be obscene considering the chainmail protecting his thighs but like.#yea no worth it. yea#ohhhh my god grabbing his pauldrons. oh. oh my god#forget fucking beard burn the chainmail burn will be soooo worth it tho#edit: not the LEAST bit fucking helpful that my brain went 'ok but two knights'#YEA SURE I GUESS.#ohhhhh my god the gauntlets stay on. the gauntlets stay on!!!!!
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actually hang on, there was a fangame I found years ago that combined like all the Tony Hawk games into one package... I should look that up. and download it again. and play it.
#incidentally no i was not particularly *good* at tony hawk games. i could spam my way to a high score sometimes.#i think learning the mctwist was the most advanced i got.#i would play pro skater 3 and 4 with cheats and just explore. or make my neighborhood in the Park Creator.#and thug and thug 2... were my playground. ;w;#you can get off your board... and just like... walk around!!!!#'ohhhhh!!!' you say. 'thats the kind of gamer djay is!!! i see now!!!'#yeah!!!!!#thaw was the culmination of this joy for me because you could literally throw your board away and forgo the whole skateboarding thing#and just go walking in this interconnected california... as Some Dude....#i would play through the stories just to get all the stages and then that's it. i got all i wanted. i got my playground.#come home from school. boot up thug 2. fuck around.#(by myself because i have been regularly and sporadically without friends.)#god.... yeah......#so that's what Nostalgia feels like.....
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ok I have gotten much much better at purring I will update tomorrow if I can get a good enough audio clip. rn it’s like 50/50 if I sound like I’m actually purring or if I sound like a ballon getting run over by a motorcycle, which. is not quite what I’m looking for lmao. will continue practicing
#I am. so delighted by this discovery. like ohhhhh THATS what gender euphoria feels like#except not specifically gender just. existence. in general#also I need to figure out how to do it for longer cuz rn it only lasts as long as I can breathe out for#which tbf is pretty long! I wasn’t a musical theatre kid for nothing lol. but I think cuz it’s about the muscles (?) vibrating I wanna see#if I can move it just with my brain signals as opposed to relying on airflow. idk if that works so it’ll be ok if not just. :DD#actually I just tried recording it and the sound doesn’t pick up 😔😔 I’ll try using a headphone mic tmrw but oh well
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hate to admit it but sometimes the only way to get better is intentional practice....
#when i first picked up guitar i made a practice sort of guide of things to do for the first months or so#and i would like do chord switching or pratice strum patterns for hourssss in a day but then once i was able to make my way through a decent#amount of songs i stopped and then future practice was just playing songs lol#but its been a year and i have finally decided its time to commit back to it to learn barre chords and fingerpicking...#so i went through my old practice list and adapted it to what i can do now...so like strumming is pick strum patterns and chord switches#focus on bm etc#cause thats what i really need to focus on. well bm and then just b but i hate b and b hates me#but i can actually make the bm chord shape im just delayed in switching over but i think consistently practicing for a couple weeks + focus#on playing songs i like that use bm on repeat...i should get it#and its been two days but oh my goddddd ive actually gotten better lolAND THEN !!!! the second thing i wanted to do was fingerpicking right#but i had to go back to my basic baby roots and by that i mean play nursery rhymes for like an hour a day LOLLL#its easy. short. recognizable. but it gets the specific song practice rather than jist doing drills yknow#and i like nursery rhymes so its not like its horrible lol my favorite to play is rockabye baby...#except im ALSO recording myself. so i play each four times the way through then the fifth time i do a single recording#the idea being is ill see how the sound changes over the course of the week#and oh my god in just a single day ???? like im still janky as fuckkkk but ohhhhh my god. thats crazy !!!!! i def feel more commited lol#im also choosing like one Major song to focus on per week. to sort of try to get down to a 'completion' idk. this week is you are my sunshin#cause ive already been playing that haha but omg...
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Desperately holding myself back from cutting my own hair by putting it in a ponytail (again) or just buzzing it all off (again) in a fit of desperation and hysteria because ideally I'd really like to get a cool haircut that I'd actually like. But also. I am losing my fucking mind. And every day I am forced to reckon with the fact that I'm probably not gonna get a chance to go outside and get it cut professionally any time soon and especially not before I seriously just can't take this anymore. Woe, I guess. As all things seem to be.
#fae irl#had to go sit myself down at my desk because one second i was just sitting there and the next i was putting my hair up in a ponytail#and getting ready to lop it off once again#stared at myself in the mirror with shaking hands in the pink lights and had to remind myself how stupid it looks whenever i do this lolol#i am clenching my phone so tightly and biting the inside of my mouth with churning guts while i type this#i hate hate hate hate when my hair gets this long but i havent been able to get it cut and i want to get it cut because this is driving me#up the fucking wall but i cant leave and the hair cutting place is so far away and i cant get anywhere i cant leave and i dont want to be a#bother pleading to go get it cut when were tight on money and dont jave transportation of our own and he needs to sleep for work and he#barely gets time to do what he wants to do either so i should really be able to just suck it up and deal with it right?????????????????????#but i cant look in the mirror and its impacting me its impacting me so bad#im almost crying rn lolol#better stop gotta stop being such a fucking crybaby#ohhhhh how horrible your hair is getting loooong ohhh like thats the worst thing in the fucking world fucking whiny bothersome little baby#hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh#im. losing my fucking marbles.
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if i see 1 more of yall bitches coming into comments with an air of superiority about how youre "too ace" to thirst/headcanon/etc about the companions in the upcoming game im gonna lose my shit
like no youre not. you just lack awareness of canon outside of the games (wherein most of these companions have been introduced) and lack imagination and a sense of fun ig
***yes i know there is nuance here and every ace is different but its wild to see this shit in a fandom that has, in my experience, largely been dominated by ace-spec people.
just because your flavor of ace means you dont like to imagine and dream and ship doesnt mean everyones is or that their interest and excitement is somehow less than. just cuz you only see a "pretty face" doesnt mean shit - there are people who actively follow the books and comics, where a lot of these characters were first introduced....without any visuals.
like good for you? do u want an award for being so above it?
#it speaks#im again just venting but my goddddddddd yall are insufferable#and yk what even if it was just them thirsting over a pretty face#SO WHAT? THATS THEIR RIGHT?#you dont have to go in and be ohhhhh could never be me cuz im so advanced and asexual that i am not swayed by a pretty face#like shut the fuck up ill bite you#obligatory i have no real ill will this is me venting about something i saw that i found irritating#for a litany of intersecting reasons and there is definitely more to be said here but im not saying it#cuz im just fucking venting#and this is all purely based on my experiences because the only point of view i have here is my own#im also sure this was likely not even intentional on their parts but like it is still annoying af because of personal experiences ive had#in fandom as an aroace romance and smut peddler
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ok i finished the first chapter and am gonna take a break now but im v excited to keep reading im really liking the way the author looks at things so far
#there are parts ive kinda disagreed with either what shes saying or how shes saying it but i mean given the whole point of the book i doubt#that the author would take offense at that and would in fact encourage it esp given that its a book and not a convo#like. i should hope i have some disagreements with just the introductory chapter‚ she hasnt had a chance to fully explain herself yet and#i feel like having a written record of my disagreement before potentially changing my mind is very much in the spirit of the ideas this book#is offering yknow#like at one point shes talking about religious perspectives on wrongness and says some scholars believe its abt like#our wrongness comes from eden‚ our lack of understanding of absolute right and wrong that god has#but its like. ok but the whole point with the garden of eden was that the lack of knowledge of right and wrong /was/ the extra knowledge#god had and we didnt that prevented us from sinning#eating of the tree and Gaining the knowledge of good and evil was what gave humans the ability to sin in the first place#because if we cant know something is wrong and choose to do it anyways then what is the sin?#its like how with animals we don't see them killing each other as wrong#because they dont have 'morals' like we do‚ they dont have a sense of right vs wrong so the things they do cant be classified that way#so idk if its like. thats just a difference in how my church taught us vs the scholars the author checked out#or just like. a misunderstanding in the story of eden?#i just dont get presenting eden as the example for 'we dont have the knowledge of right and wrong god does so thats what makes us able to#do wrong' when the whole thing with that story was like.#gaining the knowledge of right and wrong was what gave us that ability. like thats just backwards#(also disclaimer that i am not a christian and do not actually believe in these things‚ im just using the language as if i do here to kinda#speak from the perspective of my past self who /did/ believe it)#so im excited to find out if like. shes gonna expand further on that (next chapter is abt history so maybe) and ill be like#ohhhhh ok i see what that meant#or if ill be like 'hm yeah you just maybe had a misconception abt how the garden of eden story worked'#and like i can kinda see room for the first one already in that it said like 'we dont have gods /absolute/ knowledge of right and wrong'#so theyre saying like. we were given /some/ of the knowledge of good and evil‚ but that that in and of itself didnt /actually/ bring us up#to gods understanding of it#idk its been a while since i reread the bible‚ i do kinda remember there being a second tree? but i dont think it was like#'tree of full onniscience' i thought it was the tree of eternal life or smth#or maybe im just mixing up the bible and the narnia remix of it? i know there is a tree of eternal life in the magicians apprentice#origibberish
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