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“Vader,” the Emperor said, without preamble. “Explain yourself.”
Vader looked up from where he was undergoing what was either maintenance or surgery, depending on your perspective.
“Master,” he replied, facing the hologram.
“Where is my Death Star?” the Emperor asked.
“Exploded,” Vader told him. “In addition, Master, I wish to inform you that I will be taking leave to rethink my life.”
The Emperor stared at him, somewhat thrown.
“What?” he asked.
“Consider the following, Master,” Vader replied. “I went back over security footage and similar, to understand what had happened, before the security footage exploded along with the cameras and so on; subsequently, I have obtained certain information about the Rebel who destroyed the Death Star.”
He frowned. “Is this really the best repair droid you have? I could build a better one than this in my sleep.”
“Vader!” the Emperor snapped at him. “Get to the point!”
“Shortly after the destruction of Alderaan, a YT-1300 freighter arrived in the system,” Vader said. “A perfectly normal low-rate cargo freighter of the sort normally flown by owner-operators. On that ship there were the following individuals. Firstly, my astromech droid.”
The Emperor was about to reply sharply, then stopped.
“What?” he asked.
“Secondly, a wookie,” Vader continued. “Specifically, the one who saved Ahsoka’s life. Thirdly, the protocol droid I built as a child. Fourthly, my son. Fifthly, Obi-Wan Kenobi, back from the dead, and I am honestly not sure if he can do that again. That ship subsequently escaped with the Princess aboard, but I am not counting her. The final person aboard was a human wearing a vest, who I have not been able to identify.”
“...this isn’t actually answering my question,” the Emperor pointed out, snippily.
“My son was the one who destroyed the Death Star,” Vader provided. “But I want to point out that during the battle over the Death Star, which was of course before I learned that the rebel X-Wing pilot was my son, I was about to shoot him down, until I was ambushed and fired upon by that same YT-1300.”
Vader folded his arms, which dragged the droid working on his left one across the room. “I am going to be taking leave to rethink my life, because I am reasonably sure that the human in the vest was the personification of the Force, a thing which I am quite sure is possible though I am not able to identify why.”
The Emperor just stared down the holonet projection for a long moment.
“And what do you think this personification of the Force was trying to do?” he asked.
Vader shrugged.
“That is part of why I intend to meditate,” he said. “Though, Master, I should warn you to watch out for YT-1300 freighters. They are more dangerous than they seem.”
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Hot Take: The people who say that Anakin is "female-coded" and the people who say that Obi-Wan is "Asian-coded" are both wrong. They are both white men; end of story.
Don't get me wrong; I enjoy both characters for their flaws and strengths, and I get invested in their stories, but they are not women or Asian. They are both white male characters created by a white man for a predominantly white audience.
Coding is such a stupid concept, and I want to stab myself in the eye with a fork every time I see anyone claim this. It's harmful, and takes attention and importance away from actual characters of color and their stories. It's basically riffing on stereotypes of races and then transposing those ideals on white people or aliens. And it's meant to be respectful or cool somehow?
It's simply incredibly insulting.
Are Jedi ripped off from Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam as well as Christianity? Yes.
Is Anakin Skywalker a masculine character with less traditional personality traits? Yes.
Are either of them "Asian" or "female"? NO.
#star wars#starwars#jedi#sw fandom#sw#prequel trilogy#anakin skywalker#darth vader#obi wan kenobi#jedi are not asians#why does fandom not get this#i understand identifying with the similarities#but to actively claim them as “east asian” representation?#the jedi don't even follow an east asian religion#calling actual people of color racist for not agreeing that a group of aliens are asians is not okay#and about anakin#yes he was an abuse victim and had a myriad of mental issues#still is just a problematic dude
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that stupid comicbook.com article and also fan response in general to the companion romance situation annoys me so bad for the sole reason that everyone acts like the only people in the game are the pc and playable companions
#mine#dragon age#so many people use dorian as justification and like. you know we could have non romanceable characters who are gay#where’s the people using cassandra as evidence for why this is good actually#‘it limits the types of stories you can tell’ with THOSE specific characters. however there are probably others#i’ll admit i thought it was bizarre that they made every companion romanceable. i hate to make this comparison bc i know everyone has been#saying they’re similar when they’re really not. but that specifically feels like some baldurs gate shit#but like. think of leliana in inquisition. joker in mass effect. etc. characters whose story develops even if they’re not going on missions#it’s just this weird video game conception that sexuality only exists for romanceable characters#(or i should say. people assume every NPC is heterosexual by default. until proven otherwise by a romance arc)#but like. everyone uses the dorian example. his conflict with his homophobic father happens regardless of whether you romance him#it’s not tied to the fact that he’s romanceable. y���all just see sexuality as only relevant when you personally can or cannot smash#idk if the lighthouse will be populated now that we know it’s in the fade but theoretically we’ll have allies#and some of those allies. may identify as something other than cishet#or other than pansexual if that’s the problem but grow up. pansexual characters are not cheap and not lesser#playersexuality is a concept so gamer bros can pretend their companions are straight#because if they don’t interact with dorian and sera they can pretend everyone is straight in this game#here’s the thing like. i can understand the disappointment that every character is romanceable bc. sigh. gaider does make a good point#but that’s not what’s going on here. people are upset the companions are explicitly pan and the game is Woke#and they might try to spin it as ‘b but what about dorian’s arc in a game like this’ when once again#there may be other characters. who are not companions. who we spend time with#varric and solas are literally in all of the stuff we’ve and neither of them are playable#come ON
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maybe i'm missing something here, but it always confuses me when i see things like "some autistic people are disabled by their autism and some aren't" or "not everyone sees their autism as a disability". because... autism very much is a disability?! if you're autistic, then your symptoms must be present in a way that is disabling to you in your everyday life. it's literally in the diagnostic criteria. of course the extent to and areas in which you're disabled can vary greatly depending on the individual, but disability is part of the basic definition of autism, regardless of your personal feelings on the matter.
don't get me wrong, it's still much better than "autism is only a disability because of capitalism" because at least it doesn't make sweeping generalisations that aren't even remotely accurate to the lived reality of most autistic people. but it still perpetuates incorrect assumptions under the guise of personal choice, and honestly feels like an attempt to distance autism from disability in general. being disabled is nothing to be ashamed of, and i wish people wouldn't twist the meaning of autism to remove disability from it.
(and yes, that goes for level 1/low support needs autistics as well. i would be considered level 1 (though i wasn't diagnosed that way) and i'm still disabled by my autism! not to the same extent as many other people, sure, but i'm still disabled. if i wasn't, i wouldn't be autistic.)
#autism#actually autistic#actuallyautistic#what the hell. i'll put this in the main tags#i just don't understand what personal feelings have to do with this. autism literally *is* a disability thats a fact#(okay obviously the diagnostic criteria were created by humans and humans are fallible etc.#but if we extend the definition of autism so far beyond its original meaning then would autism even be a useful term anymore?)#stuff like this always leaves a bad taste in my mouth because it reeks of internalised ableism#i dont want to tell anyone how to identify. but if youre insisting that your autism isnt a disability even though by its very definition#it is - idk ive been in a similar position in my teens and finally acknowledging that i'm disabled and that doesnt make me any less worthy#as a person has made me more compassionate towards myself and others#it just worries me how autistic people on here are trying to pass off their autism as 'just quirky' or whatever#like if you genuinely are just quirky then thats fine! but if you arent disabled by it then i'm sorry but its not autism#i guess its kinda similar to how i dont *dislike* the word neurodivergent per se. but it sure feels like at least some people are using it#so they dont have to say mentally disabled#disability is not a dirty word
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My The Honjin Murders review
I was enjoying it…until…I wasn’t 💀
#so interesting and then becomes so stupid and unearned!#useful i guess in terms of understanding closed room tricks#more than anything it just reminded me…of everything i fucking hate about detective novels and why I don’t read them…#maybe im just not the audience for these novels but like the emotional truth was so fucjking stupid and unearned! in my opinion!#all tricks..no heart…without a doubt…one to SKIP#in terms of potential dna that went into umi…the names of Kenzo and Ginzo stood out but maybe theres only a similarity to a non jp reader#in addition to the idea of an unusual number of fingers being a major identifying feature#but idk idk….much less than what I initially thought there would be. maybe even none#its very…tell instead of show with the emotions and it disappointed me so much#like idk its not that i dont like mystery in general or even detective stories. I love columbo! but like. it just. sigh.#not the dazzling emotional classic of famliy drama i was imagining#and i found the trick so stupid smhhhhh#removing it from my post about the podcast episode lol bc like this sucked bro i dont want anyone else to go in thinking itll slay#man the ending/solution reallly ruined my night smh. let me go eat and recuperate this letdown#it literally felt like when erika pulls all that shit out her ass at the end of ep5 to frame natsuhi. but like. thats the real ending…#umineko spoilers#for my tags
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"what is romance" I mean I guess its like gender. defined by the person experiencing it. it is theirs to call romantic, or not, and not one idea to be shared and compared
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#sorry I don’t have the brainpower for an intellectual response rn lol#I’m tired of getting notes on the post cuz its overwhelming my notifs but glad it’s resonating w ppl#everyone has shared similar thoughts & sentiments#which has been validating#I don’t identify as aro or aspec cuz I don’t percieve myself as lacking anything I just don’t seem to understand romance the way most ppl +#mainstream society does#so its cool I’m not the only one#answers
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one thing about me is that i'll never be over episode 23.
especially because the first time i watched it, I was confused about who was saying what in the interaction between Rei and the angel. But I think it doesn't really matter, because all of it is reflective of Rei's inner feelings, as she's essentially having her own mini instrumentality here, a dialogue with herself.
angel: i'll share what's in my heart with you. see? doesn't your heart hurt?
rei: hurt? no, this is...loneliness?
angel: loneliness? i don't understand.
rei: you don't want to be alone. we are many, but you are not. you hate it, don't you? that is loneliness.
angel: that is what's inside your heart. that is your own heart, overflowing with sorrow.
#ooc; onion girl enthusiast#((god idk every time i think about it or rewatch it it just...gets me))#((''we are many but you are not'' could be about both humans and angels; two beings that seem very different but the similarities are#alluded to throughout the show. and rei is both angel and human but she is also something else entirely))#((She doesnt identify as an angel but she never calls herself human either))#((she can sympathise with both yet she also struggles to understand both and feels alienated from both))#((so she doesnt really understand herself until this moment))#((which makes me wish she and k.aworu had more interactions bc he's the only one who's like her in that sense))#((but at the same time its interesting bc even tho the way rei - and k.aworu- came to be is very unique))#((and the things she feels are very individual to her at the same time she's (not!!) alone in it all))#((because almost every character feels this deep loneliness too and every character also feels as though nobody understand it))#((augh my head))#((idk where i was going with this im just thinkin thoughts. but still i shall tag))#study.
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anyways if you’re mad that i want a bigger dick and also my hole then die ig idk. if its so hard for you to be around different kinds of queer people maybe you should just like. do something about it... since like... different people are always going to exist... but if its just so hard for you to tolerate then maybe go hang out w jesus bud idk, seems easier than living in this oh so hard world with many different varieties of people.
#anyways i love being salamacian! die mad hoe#yall genuinely do get mad at people bc you cant control them or their thoughts and feelings and its so ironic to hear#from other queer people. stop perpetuating the abuse put on to you fucker.#it'd be even funnier to hear this shit come from someone whos otherkin or has neo pronouns. like. who tf are you to be like that hjbdshbj#how could you be otherkin and then still put up dumb boundaries on how people identify#i really doubt it is ppl who are generally rejected from the rest of the queer community for not having the most puzzle piece#perfect identity but like. ive seen it from people on here too. ive defintiely seen ppl have identities generally rejected that also go on#to reject other ppls identities. i think its usually just out of ignorance and an unwillingness to understand- a similar type that cis ppl#have for trans people where they follow their immediate feeling of 'this is weird and i dont understand it so its bad'
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begging people to understand that labels and categories are not inherently meaningful without context. and that whether or not any label is actually useful changes from context to context (including from person to person). and that trying to pin something or someone down as BEING a particular label (rather than something being labelled as a certain thing) is meaningless and unhelpful
#leologisms#this isnt actually About anything in particular but it was of course inspired by gender posts#saying that someone else IS a particular thing because of their experiences is not really helpful. and it doesnt make sense#theres a reason theyre gender 'identities'. theyre labels. theyre something that people either do or dont identify with#theyre tools for finding people with similar experiences. or for exploring and understanding ones own experiences. etc.#trying to say that someone IS agender for not identifying strongly with a particular gender or someone IS trans for wanting to#experiment with gender + presentation or someone IS bisexual because they dated someone of the same gender one time or whatever#isnt actually helpful. do they identify as these things? do they even actually care?#of course the reasons for someones answers to these questions are also important. but thats for them to figure out.#[note. 'someone' also includes you]#there was also an anecdote i was thinking about. from when i was a kid#and i was bugging my mom over dinner about 'what exactly is a vegetable'#'any edible plant part thats not a fruit' didnt include tomatoes or eggplants etc. and that definition didnt satisfy me#well i just kept going until my mom got sick of the question#of course i now know about culinary vegetables. but being a 'vegetable' isnt inherent to anything#and neither is being 'green' or being 'gay' or 'trans' or 'agender'#of course these are useful labels. thats why they exist and thats why people use them#but trying to pin down whether something definitively IS one thing or another is a fruitless exercise
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okay enough of the rants im logging off last thing ill say is that identity politics is largely a disease 👍 its point with the extremism its been taken to in part due to cia postmodernism being to wreck class conciousness though the wokeificstion of fragmentory policies and identity👍 bipartisan politics also serve to divide the country (all countries) incresingly so that people cant come together👍 having the worlds most stupid useless fragmentory identity politics discussions doesnt help it keeps us from coming together and focusing on real shit 👍wars pit the resources and labour of the working class against each other for the benefit of the rich 👍"im iranian youre american, you and i have more in common with each other than our governments with us, and our governments are more similar etc etc."👍 if racism stopped and if sexism stopped and if classism between the working classes (which, everyone has forgotten what the term "working class" means, its not abt economic bracket, low, middle, and higher class can all b working class yes including the doctor whose making a lot of money bc it is the exhange of labour for wages) stopped the working class could stand united not divided aginst the system 👍differences in race, class, and sex have Always been used to pit the working classes against each other, and to give people a sense of "well at least were better than Those people" (opressed middle class disdain for lower class, opressed mens disdain for women (at least they have power over someone!), opressed peoples disdain for other opressed peoples)
i may bitch and complain about kinds of people on here bc its a way for me to get my frustrations out, but ultimately i do think it is vitally important to have hope and to try to bring unity between people. ultimately i think it is unity which is the only way this planet, species, and every other species on this planet may see a better futute. ultimately, more than anything, i think despite everything we, for everyones sake, have to understand the deep interconnected nature of everything, have to truly understand that one cannot be free without all, and have to try to build bridges.... it is very easy both as both members of the opressive and opressed class (and yes most ppl occupy both in some way) to fall into disdain, fear, and wants of separatism. ive done it plenty myself and at times i still do. trying to "be better" is absolutely exhausting. but. i do truly believe that we have to try. i do not believe hatred is forever. not classism not racism not sexism not abelism not anything. it is not a curse people are doomed to from birth. people can change, we all can. we at least have to try
#this is part of the reason tho why ppl#tell me i shouldnt become a speaker or activist or someone who engages w ppl to change their minds and im like.........#i dont know if i have the temper for it#i stand by it. but im better at writing when i have time and space to calm my nervee#bc i really dO have a temper and im fed up with bullshit and i can be agressive#and ultimately i dont think thats the best way to change ppls minds#.......... lol one of tbe reasons why i look up to malcolm x so much#he wasnt perfevt by any means (ehm the sexism?) but. BuT still. a very complex very smart very real man who Saw very well#and something ive always respected is his amazing ability to keep his cool in dicussions and debates with people saying god awful shit#his cool his vibe his ability to educate and keep his tone strong and down#*ppl tell me i should#also. this is obviously not to say that there arent differences in class ethnicity religion gender etc etc etc and in how one experiences#the world bc. there Obviously are#also. global location imperial core imperial semi-periphery and periphery countries etc etc as well as each countries more localized power !#and position#just that ultimately trying to find unity and reach for similarities and understandings and sympathy where there isnt that is more productiv#e#than endless identifying politics fragmentation and opression olympics and also. everyone hating each other 🤷♀️
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i was talking about getting a 95 on that autism raads self assessment to my mom and she was like "can you send me that" and she got a 90
#for both of us it was mainly social stuff#she had more sensory stuff and i had more major fixation/interest stuff#which i totally expected#it's really interesting bc while im really similar to my dad re: personality#my mom and i share a lot more neurodivergent traits and that kind of stuff#makes sense bc i get my mental health stuff from her side#so i often get along better with her than my dad bc he has trouble understanding my adhd for instance#while my mom is really good at understanding despite not having adhd herself#and i sympathize with a lot of her anxieties and sensory stuff more than my dad and sister do#it reminds me when she read up on nonbinary identities and said she'd probably have identified as nonbinary#when she was younger if it had been as widely known/talked about then#i havent told her i id an nonbinary yet (mostly bc im not secure enough in it to tell ppl irl)#but i know if i did tell her she'd Get It more than my dad or even my sister#even tho they'd be very accepting#anyway i just think it's cool
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Theres a half formed Thought in my Brain about Suguru(?) featuring in the penultimate chapter and the way we can't see his face and can't really tell if it's him (or Kenjaku or what) but like. Everyone talks about the ways in which Gojo is dehumanized and objectified as a tool/weapon and I think Suguru parallels that in a way, but rather than being denied humanity As A Whole the way Gojo is his Body Specifically is treated like a tool (eg. His cursed technique involves Eating and Storing curses, kenjaku wants him for said cursed technique)
#So basically Suguru is a trans man-#I'm being silly but genuinely Suguru is exploited in such an interesting way#And he talks about ''survival of the weakest'' (pre. Y'know) but also!!! He mentions ''discoraging/suppressing the strong"! Like#He clearly has An Ego (see: Utahime interactions. Becoming a cult leader) so I don't think that's like. Something he developed on his own#And I doubt his parents who Aren't Sorcerers taught him that. So what I'm saying is the higher ups manipulated him to try and mold him#Into a way to control Gojo because he's also special grade but he 1. Isn't As Strong 2. Doesn't have powerful family connections#3. Is new to Jujutsu 4. Same age as Gojo#Like. (Contracts rabies) Do you understand me. My take is Suguru lived a lot of formative years in a cult adjacent#If not straight up cult environment and then once he suffered significant identifiable trauma (bc imo jujutsu society is basically#A PTSD for teens factory but that can be hard to identify bc jujutsu society specifically forces you to dissociate from that trauma#Because it gets in the way of working and while in the moment you need to be able to compartmentalize bc. Fighting and Risk Of Death.#Afterwards you get No Help so that's great anyway) he Left and then replicated similar power structures except This Time HES on top#Just. He sucks so bad but a part of me wonders if he actually registers the Level of harm he's doing. Bc he has to know it's fucked up#And he's theoretically okay w it for normal ppl who aren't sorcerers but like. It's a cult! It's abusive! YOU HAVE SORCERERS IN THE CULT#(and your daughters got murdered bc of you you and your idiot ex. Don't raise children in a cult oh my GOD)
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anybody else identify less with the identity itself and more with how that identity is perceived by others..
#like i understand myself perfectly#but it is not able to be put into words it just me myself and i#so in terms of labeling#and identifying oneself#to OTHERS#then in that case the labels i would use would not define me well#but i would choose them based on how others perceive them#so that they perceive something similar of me#(even tho.. the definition doesn't fit..)#pride#methebee
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the fun thing about perpetua is that inexplicably having books from the 'real world' is feature, not a bug.
#auri rambles#perpetua progress notes#the books are only mildly important. they're to point the audience to thematically-relevant media BUT ALSO#the characters knowing the stories drives them to do different things or helps them understand their situation#minerva tries her best to be a good mother not just bc of her own issues but also bc she's read frankenstein.#meanwhile damien identified with the creature and that influenced his decision to accept the wither king's offer#(maybe things would have been different if damien was familiar with faust. who knows.)#captain luna has not read noli me tangere.#im bringing it into the story bc i like it and its relevant to the identity & representation talk in the exile arc#but also luna can't be familiar with it. it'll make his existential crisis worse in ways that i dont really have time to explore#regarding the meta: i only read noli in late 2023 so any similarities between luna and ibarra are coincidental. at least in arc 1.#they also dont map onto each other in terms of deeper themes bc they exist in different contexts. namely that luna grew up in the century#following *a* revolution
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you're assuming a lot about binary trans people, and if anything it makes me think that our understandings of our genders aren't actually that different? Not every binary trans person wants to pass as a cis person. I don't want to pass as a cis woman, I want people to understand me for what I am, a collection of internal beliefs and thoughts that I've constructed an identity with. It sounds like we both have created identities for ourselves! If you think that non binary people are the only people capable of creating their own identities and striving to be seen as them, that's on you
im gonna try one more time. i cant really tell if youre being sarcastic or not so im gonna assume youre being genuine when you say you think we have similar understandings of gender. but to me it sounds like you are deliberately ignoring the Actual Words i am saying.
we need words to describe our experiences, both different and common ones. those words may be in themselves faulty or somewhat inaccurate, but they are what we have to discuss important concepts, and they function well enough if they have a generally agreed-upon meaning. right?
so. the dominant culture of the imperial core is one of strictly binary sex. anything that breaks this, is deviant of the "rules of nature", to this dominant culture. right?
so then we call people who are NOT of this binary system multiple different things depending on cultural context and personal identity and personal circumstance. right?
'nonbinary' is only one of those words. to each individual it may mean any one of hundreds upon thousands of different things. everyone has their own personal identity, and while we may use the same word to describe said identity, no two people will have the same definition.
this is true of 'manhood' and 'womanhood' as well. every individual, cis trans both neither intersex perisex and so on and so forth, every single one of them has different PERSONAL interpretations of these words and the concepts they are meant to describe.
but 'woman' has to mean something in order to function as a real concept. it has to have some semblance of shared meaning, shared experience, shared conceptual feeling and vibe, for it to work within the imperial core as a means of systemic control and oppression, for it to work as a communicable identity, and for it to function as a word in a language.
in the same vein of thought, 'binary' is a word we are using to describe someone whose gender, in some way, shape, or form, fits into the schema of 'man and woman'. your internal definition of your own gender does not actually matter very much to other people who do not know it exists.
for me, it matters that i am percieved as a binary gender no matter what i do. it matters, and hurts, a lot. and for some people, it matters and hurts less. for some people, it matters and hurts not at all.
whether you consider yourself binary or not is entirely up to you and how you interpret your own navigation of the world. its very strange to act as if im saying anything otherwise. YOU defined YOURSELF as binary in your responding to me. you said you were also agender, so, like i said in my prev tags, i dont think youre the target audience. but the way youre reacting, it seems you think you are. i am also going to reiterate that 'binary' is not a bad thing to be - binary trans people and for that matter, binary cis people, are not my enemies. but i deserve to have the language to talk about my experiences as they compare to binary people. that's all it is.
#if we cant reach a resolution here i think itd be best if we block and go our separate ways also lol#i also think its strange to assert that theres no such thing as a binary trans person bc that sort of fundamentally spits in the face of ge#derqueer and nonbinary trans identities imo?#there are certainly people who identify as binary to whatever degree that they do#nonbinary identities arent 'complex inner gender feelings' they are quite literally genders that DO NOT FIT WITHIN THE MAN/WOMAN SCHEMA THA#S IMPOSED ON US#which again this is sorta what i was talking abt in the original post#i cant talk about things that are unique to or uniquely affected by my gender as a not-binary gender without binary (or again 'binary-adjac#nt') people being insulted that i would dare try to talk about exorsexism as it affects nonbinary people#which is exactly why i need to use the word binary#its genuinely really frustrating how every time ive tried ive met the same resistance#the first person i met who didnt was in fact a binary trans man lmfao#and we talked abt the differences and similarities between being a gnc man and having 'pansy' be your desired presentation and what my desi#es were presentation wise. that i couldnt be an effeminate man or a masc woman bc either of those are still recognized as men and women#and i really dont understand why more binary trans people dont make that same effort to meet me and talk w me abt these different ways we a#e treated by the patriarchy#and instead essentially say that nonbinary identity doesnt actually really exist bc Everyone is nonbinary/No One is binary#like thats kinda shitty
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I've been thinking about Laios' succubus lately. Mulling it over a bit.
Because I've seen these pages brought up a fair bit, but almost entirely in the context of shipping (on all sides, really). And I really want to understand what they are doing for the story beyond that.
When I went back to reread the scene and section, a few things caught my interest: the way Laios responds to both forms of his succubus, the themes of the volume the chapter is found in, and the other events of the chapter itself.
So let's dive into those three things, and what I think they say about the succubus scene's purpose.
Laios is never fully frozen by the succubus
So. If you compare Marcille and Chilchuck's reactions...
to Laios':
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There is a difference. Sure, the basics may look the same once it turns into Scylla Marcille, but even then, it functions differently.
Chilchuck and Marcille are completely frozen once they catch sight of their succubus. Izutsumi, as well, isn't able to look away, and completely freezes up once her 'mom' starts talking to her. As Chilchuck describes, "just looking at them makes you unable to move."
And yet, Scylla Marcille has to actively convince Laios to comply. He even looks away from her at one point!
Laios accepts this succubus, but he is never actually helpless to it in the same way. Taken in? Convinced? Sure, at least enough to let things happen that he probably should question more than he does. But magically compelled? Not really. Not the same way as everyone else is. So that's interesting. But let's move on for now.
2. Volume 9 is all about drive and desire
I don't often look at chapters within the context of the volume they are included in, but I think there's some really fun things to be found with that perspective in mind.
For one, volume 9 starts with an exploration of what desire brought Laios to the dungeon:
And ends with a question of what desire brought Laios to the dungeon:
It's also very concerned in general with questions of why people do what they do. Why they are in the dungeon, why they are with the people they are with, why they stay, what they fight for.
In addition to Laios, we see it with Marcille...
Izutsumi
Kabru
and Mithrun
Hell, we even get it for the demon!
It's certainly not the only volume concerned with desires and motives, but it is particularly focused on these ideas.
The succubus scene fits quite well into the ongoing question about desires, especially Laios' desires. It is even placed at an interesting spot within the volume. The volume is six chapters long, and the scene takes place at the start of the 4th chapter. It's almost smack-dab in the middle.
With all this in mind, it is interesting that, with both versions of the succubus Marcille, it's not totally clear which parts of her Laios is rejecting.
The first version of Marcille looks human, but Laios attacks when he identifies her as a monster. The second Marcille looks like a monster, but he seems to believe that she is the real (human)(ish) person that he knows. So is he rejecting the monster at first, and then accepting the person? Or is he rejecting humanity and only interested in the monstrous?
Something to consider as we look at the next point...
3. the rest of the chapter is a seduction, too
This is one of those things that might not be apparent on a first reading, but is crystal clear on a revisit. We see the succubus try and charm Laios over 7 pages, and then see the Winged Lion do the same thing for the next 19.
Much like the succubus, it offers the mingling of monsters and humans. Much like the succubus, it offers belonging.
(and this is the point where I absolutely must also link this post by fumifooms on the succubus, which has some great ideas on how the scene is informed by Laios' trauma and desire for acceptance!!!)
But, back to the point. The Winged Lion wants to feed on Laios just as much as the succubus did, and it uses similar strategies to try and make that happen. Though this chapter isn't really the turning point for the next Lord of the Dungeon (it is Marcille who will, eventually, become the Lion's next victim), it certainly behaves like it is.
Laios is convinced. The succubus gets its meal. By the end of the volume, the reader begins to understand how concerning his desires are. Together, it is all very good at building up that sense of dread and pending disaster, as we see exactly how and why Laios might just fall into the Lion's open arms and bring about the end of the world.
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So that's the three things I noticed. But there's still something I want to touch on by looking at the way these observations overlap, and what they reveal, together.
As I said, by the end of the volume, you can feel the tension growing. Just as Kabru and Mithrun do, you look back for an answer to the questions that have been built, chapter by chapter: why is Laios here? Where will his loyalties fall? This chapter, and scene, seem to prove the inevitable truth: he will choose the monster, of course. He will choose the seductive, easy power of the Winged Lion.
But the details of what actually happens tell different story: one in which the Lion is wrong.
First, as a reminder - even in Scylla Marcille mode, the succubus never fully entrances Laios. It convinces him, but it doesn't have him completely under its thrall.
Similarly, in the dream, the Lion does convince Laios to embrace the world he is offering. But even within that dream, Laios continues to ask questions that will be vital to him later. It is because of those questions that Laios comes to a new understanding about Thistle.
And it's this realization that he cites later as part of his reason for refusing the Lion's offer.
He is thinking through things the entire time, just like he continues to question the succubus even after it turns into Scylla Marcille.
Laios also expresses an interesting reason for why he wants to see the future of this world. He's not just invested because it would mean people liking what he likes, or him getting to spend time with monsters. The thought that comes immediately before his acceptance is about what he wants for monsters and people.
I don't think it's a coincidence that this statement - "we're living beings that share the same world, but all we can do is keep killing each other" - can apply to the various humans races just as much as it does to humans and monsters. The thing he is thinking about here isn't just a matter of his personal daydreams. It's an idea that underpins every conflict in the story.
Laios caring about how people as well as monsters in this manner is something that the Lion gets wrong every time. Even at the end, he still frames Laios' desires entirely around hating people and loving monsters.
The Lion has heard him express an opinion about the future of the world! It happened right there in the dream, right in front of him! He just didn't take it seriously, and didn't view it through any lens other than "Laios likes monsters more".
He's convinced that he understands how to get to Laios. Maybe the Lion can't truly see everything, or maybe his vision into everyone's deepest desires has made it hard for him to realize how much choice still matters. That people can, and do, choose which desires to act on, and how to act on them.
Whatever the case, he's wrong about Laios, and the story shows us this over and over again.
After all, look at how the succubus interaction plays out:
A monster uses Marcille to appeal to Laios...
He realizes that something about the situation is wrong, and rejects her.
It changes strategies, and makes new offer: to turn him into a monster.
It also assures him that his friends are, or will be, taken care of.
He accepts. Or rather, allows the monster to have its way with him.
But Laios is not as helpless as he initially appears, and what the Lion thinks is a successful seduction also contains the seed of an idea that will allow Laios to later resist him.
We even get to see Izutsumi playing a similar role in both instances, as the one person fully able to take action in the face to the illusion.
The story lays out what is going happen, and then explicitly tells us that the demon and the succubus are thematically related.
The chapter performs a great sleight of hand here - everything about it seems to indicate that Laios is doomed give in to the option to have his deepest desires realized. But if you look closer, it also contains the evidence that he won't. There's a lot more going on for him.
Yes, he still falls for obvious tricks. He is still extremely into monsters, and he still doesn't feel like he fits in with other people. He may, deep down, crave to surrender to the monstrous - to let it absorb him. But he questions more than he seems to. He considers more than people realize. He cares so much more than anyone gives him credit for.
And I think this is part of why we see the succubus called back to so many times, especially with the wolf head addition to his Monster Form, which he specifically added due to his encounter with the Scylla Marcille.
This all stays with Laios. It doesn't just foreshadow the path of the story, it is fundamental to how and why he walks that path. It's not about him choosing monsters, and it's not about him choosing people. It's about how he considers both, and cares about both.
And it's about the forces that think they already know his answer. Mithrun and Kabru. The Winged Lion. The succubus.
It's about how they are wrong.
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