#i ship jelsa

[da-awesom-one]

At All Costs (Snowflake Version) - Chris Pine & Idina Menzel

Art I commissioned from Frost_Art on Instagram.

LYRICS UPDATED: 11/7/2024

*DISCLAIMER: These lyrics are fan-made lyrics of a song created and owned by Disney for characters that are owned by both Disney and Dreamworks respectively . No money is being made off of this. This was solely written for recreational purposes.*

Context: This is set during Frozen II, in the middle of the Dark Sea scene. They’ve barely survived the Nokk, and Jack is the most upset he’s ever been. Elsa left him behind not once, but twice. The first when they left Kristoff and Sven behind, and the second when she sent Olaf and Anna away. Not only that, she recklessly runs into the Dark Sea, and that’s not mentioning his fear of water. Coupled with the fear of being sent away, and not feeling like he has a place in Arendelle, he’s really struggling to prove his worth without being selfish.

Love is selflessness, and he has taken that to heart since the events of Frozen 1, where he abandoned Elsa before her parents died, and he did everything in his power to make up for it when she finally sees him again. However, it doesn't always work in the right way. So he’s desperately trying to not be what he perceives to be selfish, for being selfish is what almost lost him his best friend in the first place, and he is deeply afraid of losing his new family. Of losing Elsa.

But somewhere along the way, whether he understands or want to admit it or not, things changed. Jack sees Elsa differently, just as she started to in her late teens, but kept quiet due to what happened and out of respect to her friend, also because she's not sure she understands it either.

They argue in the Dark Sea, telling her he doesn't want to lose her, but right as Jack’s about to say what he actually wants, he relents, saying what he wants doesn’t matter. Elsa doesn’t accept that. Once they get to safety, she tells him what he wants matters to HER.

And he tells her he wants to stay with her forever. That he sees her the way Kristoff does to Anna. But time, fate, what have you, makes it seem like no matter what he does, he can’t. But still, he wants to be with her regardless. Because she is his destiny. And being with her makes him feel better, and whole.

So then he starts singing. And so does she. And for the first time since entering the Enchanted Forest, they're on the same page. Better now than ever before.

Sing = Siiing

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(VERSE 1)

J: If destiny is a set-in-stone thing,

Mine would be you.

If you'd have told me the feelings you'd bring,

I'd think them untrue.

Yet I never thought I’d meet someone like you.

Not in this life.

You still amaze me after all this time.

(PRE-CHORUS)

You… pull me in like some kind of wind,

Steer me through all the doubts within,

Make me brave enough to tell ya...

…That I…

(CHORUS)

Love you as one does.

I, I would protect you 

At all costs.

Face the storm, and all the odds.

I, I will protect you 

At all costs.

At all costs.

(VERSE 2)

E: How to say… the words that I wish to convey?

That I want this, too. Even if I tried to,

I can’t go back to life before you.

If someone tried to stop this, there’s no

Way I’d let that happen.

I'd fight for us in ways you can't imagine.

I’ve felt this once before, so I hope

It would be alright to stand right here and tell you…

(CHORUS)

B: I love you as one does.

I, I will protect you 

At all costs.

Hold you right here in my heart.

I, I will protect you 

At all costs!

At all costs!

(BRIDGE)

If you're ever feeling like you're lost,

I’ll come find you!

Man all fronts! There's no ocean I won't swim across

To be right by you!

And not just once. Here and now, I swear on my response,

I'll remind you…

(FINAL CHORUS)

I love you as one does.

I, I will protect you 

At all costs!

Keep you safe here in my arms!

I, I will protect you 

At all costs!

At all costs.

(END)

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Debated whether or not to do this after posting the Jack Frost This Is The Thanks I Get?!, and finally hearing this for the first time. I got giddy, as this is definitely one of the top songs from the Wish soundtrack, and it struck me as odd that the villain, who in the movie was married, and the protagonist would sing something that sounded... well, romantic.

After seeing Wish for the context of it, and later discovering the Demo Version, learning that it WAS originally written as a love song, well... I had to go back and tweak my original draft.

@doodlemel's Animatic of them singing this song definitely didn't help, either. XD

I had to tweak bits that weren't making sense for Jack to say, especially parts that Magnifico said in the movie that kinda hinted to his more flawed persona. Because Jack is a good guy, but also someone who has never experienced these kinda feelings before, as well as also dealing with a lot of mistakes and trauma that influence his perception of whether or not his feelings are genuine, and whether he has a right to feel these feelings.

Elsa, for her part. is more straightforward, remarkably. Because I headcanon that she fell in love first, but Jack was being Shonen Protagonist oblivious to it. And by the time he started feeling a spark of something similar, stuff had already happened between them that they needed to clear up. But her feelings for him never really went away, even if she got better at hiding them. So when she hears him FINALLY admit that he feels the same way, she doesn't have to hide anymore. She lets him say his piece, and responds in kind.

Ultimately, I didn't really change much but the first parts where they sing, and parts of the choruses. Especially the “love” parts, as I just HAD to incorporate the original Demo Version into it. It's telling a sort of story. Of them slowly synchronizing once more, and finally ending with them being of one mind and heart.

For to love on a spectrum that has both beings as one, in my opinion, is truly a beautiful thing.

[venusssus]

We fucked up as a society and I’m very tired of 2023 and not being able to ship my favourite ships anymore, like a character not eveyone loves, having my own opinion.

When I say I ship Helsa people go INSANE. Not only they tell me I’m weird and crazy but sometimes also give me death threats. Once I left a comment on tiktok saying : „I dont ship elsamaren but I love your edits!” And then this girl checked my account and saw Hans/Helsa tiktoks and texted me : „Kill yourself honestly, you homophobic idiot”.My question is WHY? Why am I being called a homophobe when I’m not? And Why Can’t I ship Helsa? Is it killing people?Am I hurting innocent kids because of it? Setting World on fire? AM I FORCING YOU TO LIKE THIS SHIP? ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOT.

I don’t ship Elsamaren and Jelsa, I don’t think they have chemistry at all. I love Hans with Elsa and in my eyes they have the greatest tension and chemistry. But — Let me surprise you now…This is my own preferance! My point of view! My opinion! MINE.

[vanillablankcanvas]

Saw this at a dollar store and did a double take. Thought some people on here would appreciate it. 😂

[frostyballad]

Me? Cheat? I have been shipping a ship for a decade that has no chance of becoming real

[harmohelix]

Find a way (Jelsa ai cover)

This song always remind of the nostalgic feeling. As a kid, I used to wonder how this song, aka the Jelsa fandom anthem, would sound like if Idina Menzel and Chris Pine sang it. Thanks to Ai technology, I’m able to create this cover and make my dream come true. Please enjoy :))

[catrainart]

❤❤

[kelpieice]

Jelsa Ship Thoughts

      I am not surprised that this became a popular ship. For the start, the Snow Queen and Jack Frost are traditional counterparts. Jack Frost is the winter spirit who is winter’s personification. The Snow Queen on the other hand is the winter spirit who is winter’s expression. With these new adaptations of these characters with Rise of the Guardians and Frozen, people really fell in love with these versions of them.

       Some people dislike the ship because they believe they are too alike to an annoying level.

Example: Jack Frost was originally a human. After saving his sister he dies and gets resurrected as the spirit of winter. The death of Jackson Overland and the birth of Jack Frost.

Elsa goes to ahtohallan, dies and later falls through ice into water and gets resurrected as the fourth spirit? She becomes a spirit...even though she already had magic?

    Other people say they are too different, saying Jack is too immature for a relationship and Elsa is painted as the biggest ms. priss. Sometimes it is because people are annoyed at Elsa’s popularity and think her a lesser responsible character who froze her kingdom ect. So for being extremely flawed perhaps these people feel Jack who is a very selfless character being a reward for a character like Elsa who is kinda...a little selfish. Kinda of an attitude of, “hey Elsa, you are a sucky sister who froze her kingdom! Here’s a great boyfriend for your troubles!”

     I don’t think people are entirely wrong, I am not gonna be blind to the faults of either character. They both have flaws and similarities. However, Elsa was the cause of the problem of Frozen and Anna was the protagonist. Jack Frost was the protagonist of his own story. Overall, I guess thinking of these two as twin flames makes a lot of sense. They have similarities enough that I can see them get along and enough differences that I am sure not every thing would be sunshine and roses. They are allowed to be their own characters.

       The biggest plus for this ship is that I don’t think they would have a power imbalance in their relationship. That is because they both have magic and are now both spirits. Yes Elsa prefers to use ice and Jack is always using his freezing wind ability but magic being something they both have makes them level out, unlike Jarida in which magic is something I can see causing problems.Though how these two would meet is always the limit of the fan and I have found some interesting HC’s from the Jelsa shippers.

I do however think Elsa would make the first move. She is aware of magic and magical creatures, but running into another spirit who is also not a horse, lizard or stone giant? She would like to talk to him. Her curiosity would just be too much. Though, if Jack was unaware of her presence and whipping all over the place. She would have a hard time catching him without the assistance of gale. Not to mention she would be a dork...not a miss. priss. Like what do you say to another human winter spirit? Particularity if you are using your spirit friends just to catch his attention for a chat?

There relationship would start out slow, friendship eventually to a relationship. They would also be able to fall into a pace comfortable for the two of them. Both not use to physical contact off the bat, but for different reasons. Shenanigans would be amusing and if they ever did get magical kids. They would both be able to handle it. Though, Anna would have a hard time baby sitting. The magic in their lives would always keep these two at a balanced level.

[gyubby99]

I messed up by NOT posting this

[mewmewgirl102]

frozen

I hope that some how some was Jack Frost from rise of the guardians gets in the movie frozen three that would be awesome not my art. How awesome would that be Can you believe some people think she would take the crown back from anna I was like no she would never do that even she would never do that too her sister I was like if you think that your not a true fan ellsa gave anna the crown why would she do that just to take it back what is wrong with people

[steampunklucy]

Some AI generated Jelsa for everyone! It looks very pretty!

[disneyanddisneyships]

@gyubby99 ..... I made another

[elizabrekker]

Prologue Of Snow At The Beach

The air was cold and unmerciful in the small town off the coast of Norway. The town in question is miniscule with few residences due to the harsh winter that often came earlier than anywhere else in the world. There resides a small boy looking up to the sky from his window seat waiting for the fresh fall of snow wondering about the old tale of the man that lives on the moon or in it he wasn’t too sure.

”You shouldn’t be anywhere near the window “ His mother scolded him, coming up to him from behind before drawing the curtains along with the windows closed.” You’ll catch a cold and we don’t want that to happen now do we” his mother added, tapping his nose playfully. The boy scowled at his mother, hating to be treated as a child (even though he is a child )

“I don’t get colds.”He confidently says before attempting to push open the curtains again. But his mother beat him to it.

“Don’t be stubborn” this time her mother’s voice was firm, the boy couldn’t do anything but oblige his scowl deepening.

“What's wrong?” His mother attempted to console him. Placing a gentle hand on top of his head, the boy simply turned away from his mother, his eyes unable to meet hers

“Nothing's wrong,” his quiet reply answered her immediately. This time the mother sat next to his son in the window seat attempting to look his son in the eyes. This made the mother’s thought race.

“Did something happen at school?” a gentle hand placed on his cheek, the boy's eyes watered. Like a damned being broken he dived into his mother’s arms burying his face in the crook of her neck. His mother rubbed gentle circles to calm him down whilst humming a song she used to sing to him when he was a baby.

It took a while before he finally calmed down, still embracing his mother. His quiet voice rang in the quiet home.

“Everybody thinks I’m weird…” his voice hiccuping, his reply made his mother’s heart ached but she let him continue still rubbing circles on his back,

“Nobody would come near me..” his hands tightening their hold on his mother. Her brows furrowed at his statement. she hoped he didn’t feel the slight tense of her muscles.

“They said I’m cold.. And I talk to myself a lot…..but I’m not talking to myself” His mother’s eyes widen slightly in alarm.

“Could you tell me who you’re talking to sweetie?” She inquired. Her son shifted in his arms for a moment meeting her eyes briefly contemplating.

“The elves.” he replied after a while. Like it was the most obvious thing in the world.

“The elves? ” she repeated her voice laced with mild confusion.

“They helped me with research on my book” her son wiped away his tears forgetting his earlier outburst, his voice slowly steading “ Frostborne Tales” he added sheepishly slowly untangling himself from his mother. At this his mother signed in relief.

“It’s not finished yet but it’s a collection of stories about winter…. and winter spirits” He uttered his eyes glancing back at the curtain he was sure the first fall of snowflakes had already fallen he felt the disappointment in his heart he wasn’t able to see it first hand.

“That sounds wonderful my dear, can I read it when you finish it” she answered, breaking her son’s thoughts. her son’s face brightened up by the prospect. His love of winter remained a constant in their lives.

“Of course Mom but..”his voice trailed off thinking back to the suggestion of the elves.

“But…?” Noticing her son's sudden change in demeanour once again. “Well I couldn’t find anything about two figures, the elves said you could help me” This caught his mother’s attention and she signalled for him to go on.

“It’s about the tale of Snow Queen And Jack Frost.”He continued observing his mother’s expression. He noticed his mother's jaw clenched at the mention of the names her eyes grew thoughtful. The small home was filled with silence once more until he decided to break it.

“Mom?” He placed his hands on hers attempting to grab her attention, her hand unlike his were warm. She smiled softly at his gesture. The room felt a bit warmer despite the coming of winter.

“Well what do you want to know?” her soft smile appeared on her face once again with the tone of her voice having a tad of playfulness to them. His smile beamed scooching closer to her.

“Everything” He eagerly answered, eyes filled with excitement with the coming story. His curiosity about everything related to winter warmed his mothers heart with fondness. Unbeknownst to them, certain winter sprites were listening in to the exchange. His mother grinned at his son.

“Well let’s start at the beginning shall we?”

[venusssus]

Elsamaren shippers are just always SO PISSED if you don’t like their ship. For no reason at all. I dont have any good experience with those ppl (nothing really against this ship too) I just dont see them together which is completely fine) But they really be complaining sometimes and saying they’ve been waiting soooo long (not even 4 years) for their ship to happen in Frozen 3.

Helsa/ Jelsa fans on the other hand…

I love how we react on people hating our ships. Like we’ve been here for YEARS and we’re so used to it😆 so desperately waiting for Hans x Elsa or Jack x Elsa to become canon. The hope we had for Frozen 2…Terryfying.

👵🏻👴🏻🧓🏻we are old af.

I love love love reading comments or tumblr posts where elsamaren x helsa fans „talk” And that is just Elsamaren shippers screaming and being rude as hell to us…

meanwhile Helsa shippers just respond with very classic words that I’ve seen million times before : Helsa is canon for me *blocks*😆 or no response at all, which is…always better. Especially now in 2023.

So Disney please make Helsa canon because after 10 years, we finally deserve to retire.😆

#PrayForShippers

I mean. 😬😬😬 Helsa 🤝🏻 Jelsa Fans are unbreakable at this point.

[ghaniposter]

As a Jelsashiper, it's clear that you haven't fully understood the magic of the Jelsa ship. Your arguments against this ship are invalid and don't show any depth in understanding these characters and their relationship. Excuse #1: They have the same powers.While it may not be the sole reason to ship them, it's undeniable that having similar powers can create a bond between two people. In Frozen 2, we see Elsa connecting with other magical beings who share her powers. The same could be said for Jack and Elsa, who both have the power of creating ice and snow. Excuse #2: They look alike.We're not saying they're identical twins, but there are similarities between their appearance. Their faces are similarly structured and they both have an ethereal, otherworldly beauty. It's not necessarily about hair color or skin tone, but rather a certain elegance that they share. Excuse #4: They understand each other because they were both isolated for a long time.While they may have experienced isolation differently, that doesn't negate the fact that they both felt alone for a long time. Jack's isolation may have been longer, but that doesn't mean he can't empathize with Elsa's struggles. They both have experience with loneliness and feeling like outsiders. Excuse #5: They both have a sister they love.Again, it's not just about having a sister - it's about the bond they share with their siblings. Both Elsa and Jack are fiercely protective of their sisters and would do anything to keep them safe. This creates a deeper understanding between the two characters, as they both hold similar values when it comes to family. Excuse #6: They both have an enemy in fear.Fear is a powerful emotion that affects everyone differently. It's not just about having a fear, but how you deal with it. Both Elsa and Jack have faced their fears and used it to become stronger. They could relate to each other's struggles in that sense. It's clear that you don't fully understand the intricacies of the Jelsa ship. Your arguments are flimsy and don't take into account the deeper emotional connections between these two characters. It's okay if you don't ship them - but don't discredit those who do based on misguided assumptions.

It's clear that you're grasping at straws here. Your arguments against the Jelsa ship are flimsy and don't hold up. Let's break down your excuses. Excuse #7: Jack can teach Elsa to control her powers.Yes, Elsa did gain control of her powers by the end of the movie - but that doesn't mean she couldn't benefit from the guidance of someone who also has ice powers. And it's not just about teaching her to control her powers, but also understanding them on a deeper level. Excuse #8: William Joyce says he ships it.Just because the books and movie are different worlds doesn't mean they can't influence each other. And just because William Joyce adds details on Twitter doesn't mean it's not canon. As for Jack's age, he's clearly not 14 in the movie. And even if he was 14 in the books, that doesn't mean the Jelsa ship can't exist in the movie universe. Excuse #9: They could've met before the events of rotg.Again, it's not a main reason to ship them, but it's a possibility. And just because Elsa doesn't believe in fairy tales doesn't mean she can't believe in something else that leads her to Jack. Excuse #10: Now that Frozen 2 is out, they are both spirits who followed the memories of their loved ones.This excuse isn't about them being a good couple, but about the possibility of them being together forever. And while the details of the Frozen universe may differ from the Guardian universe, the fact remains that they are both spirits who have the potential to exist beyond the mortal realm. And just because Elsa outliving Anna may go against the theme of sisterly love, doesn't mean it's impossible or that Jelsa shippers are lying about her mortality. Excuse #11: They're both single.Just because Tooth is Jack's canon love interest doesn't mean he couldn't be interested in someone else. And the fact that they're both single opens up the possibility for them to explore a relationship. Your arguments are weak and don't show a deep understanding of these characters or their potential relationship. Instead of trying to tear down a ship that others enjoy, focus on finding what you do enjoy and celebrate that.

Why Jelsa is Ridiculously Stupid

Let me start off by saying that the idea of this ship was cute at first, I have nothing against it. In fact I have a few ships myself that have nothing to back them up. I am not making this to convince people to be anti, stop the ship itself, or spread any form of hate what so ever.

But this Jelsa fandom has gone too far. And when I say "jelsa shippers," of course I don't mean ALL of them, just about 80% of them.

In fact, I'm very appreciative of the few jelsa shippers who don't go around harassing others because "jelsa is life."

Also, allow me to correct you in saying that I'm not a jelsa hater, I'm a jelsa loather. There's a difference. Most jelsa haters, hate jelsa for the sake of hating it.

I genuinely hate it.

And don't go commenting about, "how do you know you don't like it if you've never tried it?" Because you see, that's where you're wrong. I did used to ship it, when I was 11. I was a child, I was new to the internet, I didn't know better. But I do now!

I am writing this so that some who may not know, will now understand why jelsa is bad and because I need to get all of this out of my system. I am slowly dieing inside.

First; I'm gonna go into how all the excuses to ship this are pointless. Next, I'll talk about just how these two would never work out as a couple. Then, will be what the toxicity has done to not just to the ship itself, but to the big four as well. And finally, I'll go into how uncreative the shippers are and just what horrible/stupid things they've done and are still doing.

1) Excuses are Pointless

Excuse #1: They have the same powers.

...Yeah, that's like saying you ship Lavagirl (Sharboy and Lavagirl) and Bolin (LoK) because they can both control lava. That's not a valid reason to ship anyone. There needs to be actual substance and I'll only say that once because that sentence applies to every excuse here.

Excuse #2: They look alike

🤦🤦🤦 First of all: that's also like saying you ship Tiana (Princess and the Frog) and Frozone (The Incredibles) because they're both black. Second of all: no they don't. It may be because I'm an artist so I notice small details, but here's how it is; Jack's hair is white, Elsa's is platinum blonde. Jack has a square chin, Elsa has a round face. Jack is much paler! THEIR EYES AREN'T EVEN THE SAME SHADE OF BLUE!!! Your excuse is null and void. Even so, if characters do look alike, then they're most likely to be related. Especially in animation.

Excuse #3: Jack can teach Elsa to have fun and Elsa can teach Jack to be serious

This clearly proves the point that jelsa shippers don't know these characters. The job of teaching Elsa how to be social and have fun is already taken by Anna. So if anything, Elsa will see Jack as a younger brother. And Jack wouldn't have been chosen to take on such a responsibility of guardianship if he didn't know when to quit. I don't know what it is about playful characters that make people think they're obnoxious. Jack is an immortal teenager with the heart of a child, that's what makes him a good guardian. But he's been alive for over 300 years, he bound to have the mind capacity of an adult and he does know better. He doesn't play when he's in battle, he's dead serious.

Excuse #4: They understand each other because they were both isolated for a long time

I don't know where you come from but people don't really "bond" over their trauma. Infact, if anything, that would make the relationship more unstable. Plus, Elsa isolated herself for 13 years because she was afraid of her powers. Jack was forced into isolation for 300 years! He has never been afraid of his powers and Elsa could still be seen throughout the day by parents and servants. They would never be able understand what the other went through.

Excuse #5: They both have a sister they love

SO WHAT?! At least half of the population have sisters. Simple as that. It's a horrible excuse.

Excuse #6: They both have an enemy in fear

Bruh, almost every fictional character has to deal with their fears, literal or mental. It's not at all unique to these two.

Excuse #7: Jack can teach Elsa to control her powers

She already has control of them by the end of the movie. And even if you mean prier to that, the reason she couldn't control them was because she feared them. I doubt that even if she could see him and if he showed her his powers, she's be irrational, believing that their powers were different.

Excuse #8: William Joyce says he ships it

Really, you're going to base the possibility of a ship because the writer of the 'books' that "inspired" rotg says he likes it. First: the books and movie are not the same worlds. Two: he most likely stated this in order for jelsa shippers to shut up to him about it. And three: his own canon with the books is a mess as it is. With him adding a bunch on random/unnecessary details on twitter that have no relevance or reference in the books. Even if he does ship it, everything that's going on with Jack's character in the books is weird enough as it is. Plus he's physically 14 in the books. I know age doesn't really matter but Elsa would definitely feel weird about dating someone who looks so young when she's currently 24 by the second movie.

Excuse #9: They could've met before the events of rotg

Not a reason to ship them but whatever 🙄 Even if their stories were based in the same world (which it isn't), Elsa never would've believed in fairy tales. Having to grow up so soon and all. She believes in magic, of course, but you need to believe in the individuals themselves in order to see them. Plus it is very clear in rotg that Jamie is Jack's first believer.

Excuse #10: Now that Frozen 2 is out, they are both spirits who followed the memories of their loved ones. They can live forever together!

Once AGAIN, how does this factor to them being a good couple? Plus the title of spirit is different in the Frozen-verse than the Guardian-verse. Guardian-verse; they are un-aging beings who keep the entire world in balance. Frozen-verse; never confirmed to be immortal (especially since 3 out of 5 spirits are inanimate objects), magical things that keep a single forest secure. The only reason the elements needed a fifth spirit was most likely because the one before Elsa died of old age. Plus the idea of Elsa outliving Anna goes against the theme of sisterly love that both movies strive on. This can be changed in fanfiction but I hate how people lie about her mortality for an excuse to ship.

Excuse #11: They're both single

So what? People ship characters who aren't single with other characters all the time. That's not a reason to ship them. Especially since your statement is false because Tooth is Jack's canon love interest.

It is true that jelsa haters will give reasons to not ship that I necessarily don't agree with.

•Like the age gap — Jack has the mental capacity of an adult, as I've said before. He's smart enough to make his own choices.

•Elsa not being immortal — that doesn't mean they can't still date, even if he outlives her. Plus you can change that in fanfiction.

•They come from different studios and will never be canon — Again, this is fanfiction, we can do whatever we want.

•Elsa is independent and shipping her with someone takes her independence away — for one: most of the world is bound to find love at some point in time. I would imagine that Elsa would want to find love like her sister. Two: Mulan, Pocahontas and Jasmine are very independent and they all still ended up with men. Three: she's not that independent to begin with. Independence isn't relationship status, it's your ability to make it on your own and Elsa is clearly, very dependant on Anna and her safety. Which is actually what pushes her to being a bad sister in Frozen 2. In fact it is because they made her more 'independant' in the sequel that Elsa clearly, no longer loves Anna as much as Anna loves her (you can check out Watso Videos' video on YouTube about how Elsa is a bad sister bc I'm not gonna go into it here).

My god that was ALL just part one. This is gonna take forever 😰

2) How they would never work out

For Elsa, she needs someone who is calm and collected. A rock for her to stand on when she's being irrational. Possibly even someone who is very stoic and straight to the point but with enough sense of humor to lighten the mood. And now that I'm thinking about it, Honeymaren fits that description to a tee. I'm not one to push LGBT+ in anyone's face, but I'm not gonna judge ships on characters assumed sexualities either. Even though Honeymaren didn't have much screen time, her personality still showed through and Elsamaren could very well work.

Jack on the other hand needs someone who would be able to keep up with his playful nature as well as be a rock for him to stand on when he's emotional. Tooth is a good suitor even though I don't really ship it myself. Hiccup, Merida and Rapunzel could also fit in this description.

They don't have the ability to be each other's rocks. They can't be stable if they both need someone to keep them so. If they were to date, the relationship would crumble before it even began.

Plus Jack has to be a guardian and there are a lot of fanfics that go into this idea of Jack being the king of Arendalle? First off: I'm fairly certain that you can't marry into royalty to become king. At least in the real world. Second: Jack wouldn't be able to handle that responsibility with him already being a guardian. And he can't just leave guardianship either, it was what he always was and was ment to be. And Elsa has the responsibility of keeping a magical forest in check, she can't leave to become a guardian.

3) The Toxicity

Oh my God! The fanfiction! As I usually say, you can do whatever you want in fanfiction. But if you have to butcher all the characters so much in EVERY fanfic in order to make the ship work, then there's clearly something wrong here! In every fanfic I've ever seen, the characters are so out of character it's insane. Not just Jack and Elsa, every character.

Olaf for example, is practically in love with Jack first meeting, in every fanfic. If he were to actually meet Jack, he would be apprehensive of him.

It's horrifying in not only that, but jelsa shippers will add Rapunzel a lot, just in spite of Jackunzel. They turn Rapunzel into a needy ex-girlfriend of Jack's when in reality, she's a very sweet and kind soul. Even if she and Jack had dated, they would've split on good terms and stayed friends after. There have also been cases where they do the same but with Tooth. Sometimes even both and it's honestly sick.

And let's talk about the sexism as well HAHA! I swear to God, they will rewrite Frozen but where Jack will save Elsa instead of Anna. They write Elsa as a hormonal teenage girl who falls in love with Jack within seconds.

This is from an actual jelsa shipper, my dude. WTF!!! They make Jack super dominant as well as a douche who cheats on Elsa half the time. Jack is not that dominant, he's a very emotional guy. And he'd be the most faithful boyfriend on the planet. He was alone for 300 years! If anything, he'd be clingy but not too clingy because he also understands personal space.

And if you like angsty fanfiction where a character cheats on the other, there are literally no fanfics where Elsa cheats on Jack. As if a woman couldn't possibly cheat. This is very sexist towards men and women and is toxic as hell.

If anything, Elsa would cheat on Jack, she's not exactly trustworthy in keeping promises or being loyal.

I swear, half of the jelsa shippers has never even seen rotg and just go by what they read in others fanfiction.

Jelsa shippers have gotten so bad about this ship that they've low-key harassed people for not shipping it, as well as start shipping wars within the big four fandom. That's the reason the fandom truly shrunk after 2013. I've seen posts about people admitting to leaving the fandom because it got so bad.

4) The Shippers

Jelsa shippers have literally threatened lives, not just to other fans but even to the creators of the movies. Literally threatening them into making the ship canon. They've made patitions to make it canon as if that would work. They've even harassed a lot of recent shippers to Elsamaren because "jelsa is canon."

Oh look at that, they're homophobic too...

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... That's great 🙃

Isn't it a bigger sin to love a celestial being though? Therefore the fact that you –as a toxic christian– ship Elsa with a spirit it worse.

THEY'RE DELUSIONAL!!! So many of them have shipped jelsa so long that legit think it's canon!

Not only all that mess but there are literally more jelsa games on the internet then there are Merida games. I'm specifying this for personal reasons (aka Merida is my fave Disney princess)

And let's continue on with what really aggravates me as an artist. Jelsa shippers, stealing artwork, mostly from Jackunzel. This is not just a rumor, it's very much real.

And it doesn't help when all of their actual original fanart is just them taking scenes from Frozen and adding Jack. Then to add more salt on the wound is that almost all the fanfiction is the same, whether it'd be based during Frozen, rotg or in a highschool au.

There's literally nothing original about or going on with this ship, even after Frozen 2 came out, the shippers and fanfiction haven't changed. If anything it made the shippers spike up again.

The only thing that could say is original about jelsa is the frost daughter fanon. Oh boy! What we have to unpack here.

This is something that I recently heard about...

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I am mortified.

Frost daughters is this little thing that jelsa shippers came up with, believing Jack and Elsa (if they could get pregnant) would have nothing but girls. What's scary about it is they're designs. Like they're trying to be original... But it's not really going great.

Most of them are just young!Elsa copies, some are edits of Elsa with Jack's hair color.

For example:

This is fine, this follows genetrical rules. I'm fine with this.

But what has me low-key petrified are some of the other designs.

Like... WTF IS ALL OF THIS!!! Where are this colors coming from?!! I don't understand 😭 You can see in the screen shots that these are literally titled as daughters of jelsa.

The white haired ones are fine. The ginger is understandable. Got it from Elsa's dad's genes. That's okay. A few are wearing pink? They can wear what ever they want. But wtf I'd going on with Nevada? Why is she black? Jack and Elsa the pastiest of white! And you cannot tell me that she got it from Elsa's mom because this was made BEFORE Frozen 2 and her mother is still white as an adult.

Where tf does the blue and pink hair come from? None of these make sense!

I want to kill myself, just looking at these!

That's gonna be the end of this rant

Now I'll say it again, I really have nothing against the ship itself. I too have casual ships that make no sense. But with ALL the fanfiction and fanart being so unoriginal and most jelsa shippers low-key being dangerous, it's hard for me respect people's opinions about it.

I try, trust me, I do! But it's become so murky in my brain that I can't tell the difference anymore and I'm also just not a fan of Elsa's character in general. And I like ships that actually make sense.

And being that I'm an equalist... it's really hard for me to look at this stuff and not get pissed off. I'm sorry if all of this comes off as aggressive because it kinda is.

I'm just very passionate, okay?

I hope you understand where I'm coming from. None of the pictures I used are mine. And I hope you have a good day?

[frostyballad]

[chimyku]

MERRY CHRISTMAS, EVERYONE!🎁🎄

I missed the queen's birthday so I had to make up for Christmas day!!

At first, I wanted Elsa to be the one to wear the reindeer accessory as a nod to Sven, but then I realized that maybe Jack is the more silly one who'd willingly wear it with no questions asked XD.