#i really like hazbin hotel /helluva boss's worldbuilding though

[fallenandproud]

fun fact, the breaking point that led me to finally cave and make this sideblog was watching youtube shorts and the algorithm decied to throw a TON of hazbin hotel / helluva boss stuff at me and one came up with Lucifer Charlie's dad just as like. one of those edits and THEN i scroll and THE NEXT ONE IS SOMEONE DRAWING THE FALL FROM HEAVEN and i decided right then and there that on top of my demon fixation coping mechanism i now am going to project heavily onto LUCIFER HIMSELF.

[flower-boi16]

Hazbin Hotel Is A Show That Exists

So...after five years of waiting, Hazbin Hotel is finally out. I had very low expectations going to Hazbin - not only because of the current state of Helluva Boss (Its spin-off show) but also because of all the things I was hearing about it from people who saw the leaks - needless to say, it wasn't very positive. I was expecting this show to be a complete disaster on every single level, though deep down, I did want to be excited for this show - as I did used to briefly be a fan of Viv's work until I realized HB's MANY writing issues, so I went in with low expectations, expecting the show to be awful while deep down hoping that MAYBE It'll MAYBE end up being good. And after watching the first four episodes I can say that...

The show isn't awful nor is it that good. It's just...PAINFULLY average. In this post I'm going to give my current thoughts on HH based on the first four episodes that are currently released. Note that these are only my current thoughts on the show - there's a chance that MAYBE the show will improve in the second half of season 1. But for now, here are my current thoughts on the show:

1. The Animation & Visuals

The animation is...fine. The characters definitely look very rigged at times, but the animation is at least pleasant to look at. An issue I have is the camera work - sometimes the camera work can be VERY off at times. The show would constantly cut to different perspectives in some of the scenes and it becomes a headache to look at. It's especially bad at the beginning of the Happy Day In Hell song - where the camera looks like it's having a stroke during the sequence as it constantly cuts to different perspectives a LOT.

That being said - the camera work is mostly fine throughout the rest of the show so it's not too bad. So overall, the animation looks fine. I don't love it, but I don't hate it.

2. The Comedy

The show's comedy is...actually pretty ok. There were a few jokes that got a good laugh out of me, especially in episode 3, the episode that isn't written by Viv, so it therefore is the funniest episode of the show so far. I am surprised by the lack of sex jokes in the show which is at least a plus. That being said, a lot of the jokes in the show don't really land - mainly the ones that Angel Dust makes. So really, the comedy is OK. I don't hate it, but I also don't love it either.

3. Worldbuilding & Plot

So now let's talk about the main plot of the show as well as its world-building. Ok so the main conflict for the show is that due to someone killing an Angel during the last extermination - the exterminations are going to happen twice as fast now (6 months instead of one year). The mystery of what happened to the angel...lasts for about two episodes before we're given an answer in episode 3, and then it's just resolved like that.

Aside from that the series mostly revolves around its premise so far which is good. Alright, now lets talk about the lore and worldbuilding - basically Lucifer used to be an angel in Hevean but was seen as a trouble maker and Adam demanded that Lilith fuck him (or something Idk Idr) and Lucifer and Lilith fell in love blah blah blah Lucifer gave an apple to his new lover Eve blah blah blah the apple was cursed blah blah blah the apple created hell blah blah blah It sent evil to the world and Hevean was pissed about that so they banished them to hell blah blah blah Lucifer became sad blah blah blah Lilith didn't blah blah blah Hevean started doing exterminations because they were afraid of Hell's power.

(Semi-accurate description of the opening exposition dump). Ok so a few things; 1) I already asked this in another post but why did Hell never choose to fight back against Heaven when Heaven shouldn't have any power over hell because Hell was a realm created by Lucifer? Also, why does Heaven even have any power over Hell to begin with? and 2) So Heaven is eeeevil now and is going to kill all of Hell. Like I already said, it would have been more interesting if Heaven wasn't evil, and it also would've been better than this Hevean v Hell war we're probably going to get in the finale.

They even changed the reasoning to why Heaven started doing the exterminations, instead of it being because of an overpopulation problem now it's because Heaven was afraid of Hell's power...

...which contradicts the pilot which is canon to the series. But then the show just goes back to the overpopulation problem as the reason for the exterminations???? Like??? Which is it, is it because Heaven is evil or because of an overpopulation problem??? PICK ONE!!!

Hell is also kinda boring of a setting, it's just our world except red. That's it. So the lore and worldbuilding is kinda eh, Heaven is just evil cuz ofc it is and the lore has some problems. Its funny to how one of the lyrics of Adam's big villain song is "its all black and white", and since Adam is the bad guy and Charlie's goal is to redeem sinners, the show is trying to go for a "it's NOT black and white" message, but that's kinda ironic considering that this Heaven/Hell conflict is very black and white in it of itself; Hell good Heaven evil. That's it. Not saying black-and-white conflicts with a good guy and a bad guy are bad, most shows can make them work and be interesting, but Heaven would have been more interesting if it wasn't evil, at least IMO.

4. The Voice Actors

A lot of the discourse surrounding Hazbin until its release was the new voice actors. Let me just say I don't dislike the voice actors here; I think they are fine and they fit the characters decently well. Their singing is also decent as well. So I don't dislike any of the voices, they are fine for the most part and fit decently well with the characters.

5. The Songs

The songs so far are...fine. If there was one thing that HB consistently got right, it was the songs. Even if I dislike HB, the songs are actually pretty good (for the most part...). Hazbin's songs are...decent. There aren't any songs that I can say are bad, though I have some issues with the show's music; mainly the fact that the show sometimes shoves in songs...for the sake of having a song.

If you want to make a musical with songs you need to make sure each song has a distinct purpose for the story; take "Part of Your World" from The Little Mermaid. Before this song, it's pretty easy to infer that Ariel has an interest in the surface world - with her collecting human stuff and all. But the song further shows us her desire to see the surface - to see what it's like above water. It shows her desire to see the surface in the form of a song - it has a purpose within the story because it tells you something about the character.

Hazbin Hotel meanwhile sometimes has a problem when it comes to shoving in songs for the sake of meeting the song quota; the two biggest examples are "Hell is Forever" and "Respectless", as well as "Whatever It Takes". These songs are all completely unnecessary and they give us information that could have been communicated through simple dialogue rather than characters bursting out singing.

"Respectless" in particular feels less like a song and more like the characters just...singing a conversation with each other. The song is completely unnecessary and is just there to fill the song quota per episode. None of the songs I've mentioned are necessarily bad, but they suffer from being unneeded (HB also sometimes has this problem in season 2 mainly in episodes 3, 4, and 7).

Aside from that issue - the songs are...fine. None of them are bad but some of them are kinda useless and don't serve much of a purpose. I at least liked Happy Day in Hell and Poison, aside from that most of the songs are...ok. I just don't find most of them that memorable.

6. The Characters

Now, let's talk about the characters. First I'll talk about the main cast then the villains.

Charlie - I think Charlie's...fine. I always like overly positive and happy characters for protagonists so I was going to like Charlie anyway. She's fine; she's easy to root for and she's likable enough.

Vaggie - Vaggie's also fine. I do like her snark in episode 3, but aside from that there isn't much that interesting about her.

Nifty - Nifty's cute. Nifty's funny. I like Nifty.

Angel Dust - sigh Ok so I didn't like Angel Dust in episode 1 because of the fact he was another character whose one character trait is being excessively horny. And I also find all his jokes painfully unfunny. I'm not really in a position to judge how well his abuse from Val was handled so since I held a poll asking SA victim's thoughts on episode 4 and most of them voted no I'll just say that they didn't handle it very well and move on. So ya don't care for Angel Dust.

Alastor - Ah yes the creepy radio demon. He's also fine, I like his whole style and stuff.

Husk - Husk's whole purpose in the first three episodes is pretty much just to be pissed off at stuff, I kinda liked the scene where he talked to Angel Dust in episode 4 but aside from that, Husk is kinda just..fine...like everyone in this main cast.

Now let's talk about the villains so far!

Adam - Don't care for him. Sigh look Adam could be an entertaining villain but so far his dialogue and jokes are just painfully unfunny and I don't care for him as a villain. I could talk about his sidekick whose name I forgot but she's gotten so little screen time I can't form an opinion on her yet.

Also isn't it funny how HH was meant to be a female-focused show yet the males get more focus so far (As I've already talked about)? Ya, I thought so too. Anyways, the characters are...fine. I don't hate any of them, but I also don't really love any of them either. None of them are that interesting so far to me.

That's pretty much what I can say about everything in this show so far; I don't hate the animation but I don't love it either, I don't hate the comedy but I don't love it either, I don't hate the songs but I don't love them either, I don't hate any of the characters but I don't love them either.

7. Conclusion

So, that's my current thoughts on HH based on the first four episodes. Well...it's certainly a show that I watched. It's amazing to me how a show could be so consistently painfully average in pretty much EVERYTHING, from the animation to the songs to the comedy to the characters, to the episodes themselves, Hazbin Hotel is the most painfully average show I've watched so far. It's not bad so far, but it isn't good either. Again, maybe the show will improve when the latter half of season 1 comes out...

...or it will just get worse. I'm expecting the latter unfortunately due to the trailers making it look like there's going to be a Heaven/Hell war which means the show is probably going to abandon its premise like its spin-off (...that came before the main show was released). But ya, Hazbin Hotel is painfully average so far, probably a 6/10 so far, expecting the show to probably get worse, goodbye.

[cutepastelstarsalior]

Helluva Boss Episode 8, season 2

Ok so this show has

5 more episodes. Then the show will either

A be done

Or

B, have a season 3.

Whatever way it goes, I hope the show wraps and gives characters satisfying endings. Though I fear that will the episodes spread out, some element or plot continuity will be lost.

What does Pride Weather mean? Is it like the the normal weather report but gay????

GOD DANG IT ANOTHER SONG.

Ok, so Stolas is thinking that his and Blitzo’s relationship will help him deal with the divorce and the negative voices in his head. A fairytale like romance is what Stolas seems to want, where his problems can be fixed with the power of love. Meanwhile Blitzo is just thinking of the relationship as only a friend’s with benefits thing. Interesting that he is also using the relationship as a way to not think about his problems.

“Would he want me if he was free? And if he’s only here as a prisoner, what kind of monster does that make me? My entire life been written in stone. He taught me that I could choose. He desverse the choice to stay or go. Though it scares me to think of what I’ll lose.”

Wow. So far, this is a lot to take it. But what really gets my interest is that Stolas repetitively saying that he wants to free them. Both Blitzo and him. But from what? Is it judgmental from others? Is it from powerful demons that could break their relationship? Or is it from Stolas’s guilt and regrets? Another interesting thing is that when Blitzo sees the date, he has to mental hype himself up to the idea of sex. At first he has a strain smile in the mirror, but once Blitzo keeps talking about sex in detail, he’s like the idea. I don’t know if Blitzo doing this hype up is supposed to be taken has a funny thing, or a way to show that Blitzo is hypersexual. But it does feel like a coping mechanism. I don’t think people normally have to hype themselves up to have sex with someone, or even feel apathetic at first. Also, Blitzo talks about what HES going to do to Stolas, and not what Stolas does for him. Does Blitzo do all the work in bed?

YOOOO THE GOVERNMENT PEOPLE AND THE CHURRUBS ARE BACK YESSSS

Wait wait wait!!!! Are the two angels going to be more and more corrupted and the goat boy is going to go back to heaven YESSSSSSSS I love that.

Oh, 👀 angles can physically be hurt, hit with blow darts, and be electrocuted. Interesting.

PRIST WITH A GUN WHAT WILL THEY DO. This feels so cursed. Omg pls pls pls give the Angels or at least one of them a gun…

EXCUSE ME??????? THE GOVERNMENT WAS LIKE YEAH WILL GIVE YOU MORE MONEY. MAKE A LITERALLY PORTAL TO HELL AND MAKE SOME KILLER CLONE PREIST.., AHHHH THE ANGELS ARE IN HELL NOW

hmmm since Hazbin Hotel finally aired, would this story still be in the same world as Hazbin? Aka angels killing demons? Or no? If the churrubs seem so gun-hoe on killing, were they apart or admire Adam’s army?

There noticeable less swearing here! Wow! Good job Viv.

Oh! So interesting thing, 1 the demons get physical sick at saying the word torture. And 2 they don’t know what sex is. Or at least, they don’t know what sex equipment is. Do Angels natural not know these thing or get sick when saying certain words? Is it just heaven born angels that are like this? The 2 rouge angels (whose names i forget) seems fine with stealing and killing, but not at torture. Will they get comfortable with it as they stay longer in hell? Will being in hell at all make then like, permanently banned from heaven?

There lots of sex shops in the Lust ring. I thought it would just be one company? That kind of neat how there many stores of the same products but with minor variations. Some neat worldbuilding. Heyyyyy it’s Frizz. He seems more happy and cheerful! Yippee. Also he seems more sex neutral or positive? Also obsidian and jewel equipment? That feels very fancy? Maybe? I feel like hell would have lots of rocks and crystal around since, you know, under the earth.

🎼🎵IM A ANGEL WITH A SHOTGUN FIGHTING TILL THE WARS WON I DONT CARE IF HEAVEN WONT TAKE MEEEE BACKKKKKK ILL THROW AWAY MY FAITH BABE JUST TO KEEP YOU SAFE DONT YOU KNOW YOUR EVEYTHING I HAVEEEEEEE🎵🎼

Loona’s voice seems different. Maybe it’s because I haven’t heard it in a while, maybe the VA has a good microphone. But it feels sharper and clearer. All the voices do. It feels like higher quality.

Ok. Now the ending.

Stolas gave Blitzo a crystal, that way Blitzo and his team can legally travel to earth and back. Stolas called off the deal, and says that even thought they don’t have that agreement anymore, he (Stolas) would like to still have Blitzo stay. Blitzo, at first thinks it’s a roleplay, or a joke. But once Stolas starts to leave, Blitzo gets angry. He even calls Stolas a porous asshole, just like Striker did. Blitzo gets angry and even starts to tear up, saying that Stolas had, treated him like other imps. That Stolas looks down on imps and doesn’t respect them. Blitzo even comments on his imp butler.

In the background, many objects are covers in tarps, and all the paintings have Stolas’s wife covered, while Olivia has her face shown. It seems like Olivia either doesn’t live with Stolas, or goes back and forth between her parents. I’m bringing this up because like before, Stolas doesn’t want the relationship to be base off a deal. He thinks highly of Blitzo, but Blitzo only thinks of the relationship as something that’s transactional. Stolas wants this relationship because it the only one in his life that seems to either bring him joy, or doesn’t let him think about his problems. While I do like that Stolas calling off the deal and giving Blitzo the crystal. I feel like the last line “I think highly of you and you think so lowkey of me” feels a bit manipulative?

Like, yeah Blitzo does feel that way. Why shouldn’t he? What has Stolas done besides letting him use the book, what has he done for Blitzo? Did Stolas even gave Blitzo comfort? Did he ever let Blitzo talk about their deal? Does Stolas actually out effort into their deal or does Blitzo do all the work? Stolas let Blitzo not have sex for a few months, but is that it? Blitzo has being Stolas bodyguard, help him track down Olivia, save Stolas multiple times. He even bought a bunch of sex equipment and seems to do all the sexual favors. So yeah. It’s damn well in Blitzo right to think lowly of Stolas.

Man I hope and pray that the series dosnt have then be endgame.

Review 4/5. The song was ok. I like that the angels and government guys are back and have more power, hate Stolas.

[another-lost-mc]

JES YOU UPDATED, the kids miss you/j

I've been busy doing a lot of nothing, if that makes sense. Well, maybe not nothing - a random assortment of rl and blog odds-and-ends that don't seem very productive but I'm going to call it self-care. lol

(read more cause this got longer than I thought it would.)

I don't usually take March Break off work, but my empty schedule this year surprised me and I didn't really know what to do with myself. I spent the first few days fending off a persistent headache, then I spent some time re-watching Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel while I worked on some crossover/fusion potential with OM. Today the headache is back and I'm dog-sitting which shouldn't be as distracting as it is. (She's only a little Boston Terrier but my cats get all worked up about it even though they're the ones stalking her around the house for no reason.)

I've also been playing Honkai Star Rail. I have no idea what I'm doing but it's kind of fun. I want to give Genshin Impact a try too, but I'm not sure I want to play both. (I know dailies are optional blah blah blah but if I'm going to spend time doing busywork like that, I might as well go back to playing WoW.)

Someone sent me another ask about my current WIPs so I think I'll just ramble about them here.

The canon cast and OC post for surgery!anon. I'm trying to balance fluff and angst and realism and make it comforting at the same time (aka what I would've wanted to read before mine). There's some overlap with a post about Solomon's humanity that's it's own separate WIP.

Naming conventions in the Devildom and CR. These are my worldbuilding ideas to explain how Solomon has an established pact with Bathin (my OC for Mephisto's younger brother) since he's part of the Ars Goetia. This also discusses how those same ideas apply to Luke.

Fleshing out the angel OC stuff with Gabriel and Uriel. They're situated in the AU where MC is sent to the CR for the exchange program and not the Devildom which is why I haven't talked about them much. I have the fem!angel OC as well but I don't know what to name her (I want her to be like Zee where she's an "ordinary" angel). To be fair, she's probably not going to show up much outside of the story I originally wrote for her.

Genderbending-the-OCs anon, you have no idea what this is doing to me. It changes their kinks and their dynamics and how they would approach MC and I am mentally screaming into a pillow right now.

I've been writing directly in my Tumblr drafts lately, but I found a holiday fic for Solomon in my google docs. I thought it was a WIP but then I re-read it and it turns out I actually finished it and somehow forgot about it? Like...how does someone even do that. Anyway, do we want a smutty Solomon Xmas-in-March fic? (It's only holiday-ish because of a corny mistletoe joke on his part.)

On a random note, part of me regrets not making separate blogs for AT and my OCs (for organizational purposes) and I'm lowkey tempted to do it anyway.

If you read all this, you get a prize! Enjoy some chibis that I've been collecting like they're for my OC Pokedex. These are by sempa and ocha respectively.

[bloopdydooooo]

HELLO. WHAT IS HAZBIN HOTEL???????

(long answer is okay)

you can't. do this to me. /pos

first. i have a hazbin sideblog: @aromantic-radiostatic (i'll explain what radiostatic is, i trust you don't need me to explain aromanticism)

disclaimer: if you're gonna be a bitch about the hellaverse at me please just. don't. its literally so easy to not do that. (not directed at you, ava, hi, just in general)

right time for the read more!!

this is gonna be less structured then hamlet but then again hamlet is a literary masterpiece written 420 (blaze it) years ago and hazbin is a cartoon for nerds.

that's what hazbin is, an animated show created by a woman named vivziepop (vivianne medrano) who has so much controversy around her. hence the disclaimer. it's a musical, there are two songs in each episode, and it's set fully in hell.

now i've had to explain the plot and characters of this show many times at this point so i hope you won't be too offended at some copy-pastes from my discord messages

were starting w the setting: we're in hell (of the very christian variety, there is no wishywashy vague afterlifeness about this situation). hell is separated into seven rings for each of the sins and most of the action in both hh (hazbin hotel) and hb (helluva boss) takes place in the pride ring. if you've seen people calling it too red thats cause it is (the hh color choices are worse than hb not sure how that happened since the main characters of hb are literally red but okay). there are different castes and it's highly hierarchical. on the top we have royalty, then the sins who rule over each of the rings and are the embodiments of their sins, then the overlords who are human souls that have gained power, then the sinners which are powerless human souls, then the hellborn demons such as imps hellhounds and those water critters we'll hopefully learn more about in the new hb season. every year, the angels come down from heaven and kill off a large part of the sinners population to prevent an uprising, but otherwise it's basically just a society (fucked up edition) (but really not that much more than our own). oh and magic is like real and a skill people have varying levels of talent at. most overlords have some kind of magic though others rise in the ranks through other means like capitalism or violence. that's the basic worldbuilding

right now the characters:

charlie is the main character, she's a disney princess in hell and it's. hilarious. she's so naive and hopeful and hell doesn't work like that. she really cares about her people and despite her sweet attitude she is fully ready to fight for them. her mom is lilith, the first woman (or a baby killer, depending on your christian mythology) and her father is lucifer

vaggie is her girlfriend. it's upsetting how much of her personality that sums up. she's reluctant to trust and stabs first asks questions later but mainly she revolves around charlie. which like. please give her character development on my knees begging pleading to god (vivzie) give her character development

alastor is the sponsor for the hotel, the hotelier. he's a sinner who died in the 1933 probably in his 30s/40s. in his life he was a radio host in new orleans and we was a straight up serial killer. he had a strong relationship with his mother and learnt how to cook from her, i think the general consensus is that he cooks for the hotel? he's half creole on his mother's side and is canonically aroace (hh fandom try not to be aphobic challenge level impossible) when he got to hell he basically started killing people instantly and he'd broadcast their screams over the radio. he was basically the baddest bitch in hell for nearly a century before vanishing for 7 years then popping back up in the hotel

(tw for sexual abuse) angel dust is their first resident, he's a porn star from the mob and is based on a spider though, like w alastor the elements are a little lacking. he's very salacious as a coping mechanism and is addicted to both drugs and alcohol. his boss, an overlord, both physically and sexually abuses him and he owns angel's soul so there's nothing he can really do about it. he originally starts at the hotel for a place to crash so he doesn't have to pay for rent w sexual favors. we meet him in the prequel comics, where his situation is made clear. the hotel does work on him though and he grows and improves as person over the course of the show eventually meeting the criteria to get into heaven, though he isn't allowed in. he has a lot of trauma and is bad at dealing with it (he lets people roofie him frequently out of hopes that he'll be "too broken" for his boss to keep abusing). also i cannot draw him for the life of me 😭 his shapes baffle me and it's so upsetting

sir pentious is their second resident and he's only there because he tried and failed to spy on them. he's designed after a snake and it's like. actually clear. jfc vivzie just let my critters be critters. he's a steampunk mad scientist who keeps trying to rise to the ranks of overlords and is truly terrible at it. he's a pathetic loser and i love him. he's voice by alex brightman (obc beetle juice WHO I SAW LIVE!!!!). he has a bunch of sentient eggs that act as his minions and treats them as weird childrenpets. they do not love him as much as he loves them. he's a regular amount paranoid for someone living in hell but an abnormal amount of pathetic. sooooo pathetic. whataguy.

niffty is the housemaid, she has some kind of deal with alastor but doesn't seem to resent him the way the others he owns the souls of do. she probably had ocd in life, not sure if those things translate into hell cause everyone down there acts fucking wild which might just be a hell thing. she's from 1950s america, cause she wears a poodle skirt, but she's probably east asian(?). i've looked into her but there's not a lot. i have to reread the wiki. you cannot get her on camera she'll just Stare. she's deeply fucked up and batshit wild to the degree that it unsettles the rest of the cast. even alastor, known to be the cruelest overlord in hell, seems startled by her behavior though he sees it as amusing and fun and not concerning. they're 80% sure she's harmless

husker is their bartender. hes also owned by alastor and he does not like him. he used to be an overlord himself but fell on hard times and turned to alastor to make a deal which went poorly for him. he's a cat-bird thing which like. look the design was drawn by vivzie's sister, i think, and was orinigally another character and while the furry in me does love his design it doesn't quite fit with the character. he's probably in his 50s or so and is very much an alcoholic. like all the cast he isn't there to better himself but the hotel does help him grow over the course of s1. he's a skilled fighter and like surprisingly good with people

lucifer is the king of hell, a fallen angel and an absolute fan favorite. everyone loves this silly guy. he's got depression, a clown motif, and a weird passion for rubber ducks. he's really not charismatic but in that charming way, you know? and he beats the shit out of the main villain for hurting his daughter, which i can appreciate. he and charlie have........ issues. but they're clearly working on it <3

AND NOW FOR THE GRAND FINALE!!! SIDE CHARACTER #8 AKA MY FAVORITE GUY IN THE WORLD!!!!! his name is vox and he's an evil capitalist computer. he sucks so bad i'm not even kidding what an absolute loser. he built a media empire and deals in almost everything electronic in the pride ring at least. also he's played by christian borle!!! (shakespeare in something rotten!, emmet in legally blonde the musical and marvin in 2016 falsettos, my favorite musical ever) he's dating angel's boss but in an evil way and he's got suchhhhh a fun relationship with alastor (their ship name is radiostatic and i'm obsessed) they're so nonromantic toxic yaoi to me. btw. i've made an animatic for them but i need to like edit it and all so i'll do that after my exams

pilot: never challenge anyone on how good the pilot is you will be brutally slaughtered. it opens on always chasing rainbows, a song that makes me obsessed. i adore charlie's characterization in the pilot and honestly why didn't we get more of that in the show. "some fellows look and find the sunshine, i always look and find the rain. some fellows make a winning sometimes, i never even make a game, believe me" girlie where did all that go??? give me your dorothy gale arc i need it. were introduced to angel dust and the state of hell immediately post-exorcism. angel is doing a quick job to afford his drugs, which he is not supposed to be doing. charlie does an ad on tv for her hotel and i mean absolutely blows it. girlie starts singing and fucking with the anchor like charlie babe stop. in the end it's all blown by footage of angel dust join in in the turf war that started up after the extermination and charlie's dreams are dashed. she's moping about and guess who shows up at her door!! the radio demon!! we get a little exposition on him, and then he's basically immediately brought on board because they really need the help. he drags in husker and niffty, changes the hotel name from the happy hotel to the hazbin hotel, and then it's nothing until 2024

episode 1: the only title i can't remember im an embarrassment to my fandom. opens on alastor having made a truly terrible ad for the hotel. he can't work a camera (radio man, didn't really have video cameras in his day anyways) and is a shitty guy in the first place. it sucks. charlie gets a call from her dad asking if she'll go to a meetings heaven for him, she happily accepts. at the meeting, she pitches her hotel and it goes poorly. she's confronted w adam (first man, leader of the exorcists) and lute (his second in command) who like killing sinners and don't want to stop. in fact, they move up the deadline from a year to six months, revealing later that this is because they found a dead angel and didn't know they could even be harmed. while this is happening vaggie is trying and failing to make an ad and eventually gets alastor's help. they never get to watch the ad but im sure it was fabulous. end of episode.

episode 2: radio killed the video star (MY GUY!!! MY GUY MY SPECIAL GUY MY EVIL CAPITALIS!!!!!!) opens on alastor chilling on the balcony when the hotel is attacked by sir pentious who keeps trying and failing to attack alastor. alastor beats the shit out of him, fixes the wall sir pentious blew up, then leaves to go to the tailor (sir pentious tore his suit which is. already torn. whataguy.) we cut now to vox hazbinhotel. he's a computer and an asshole and i have all his lines memorized. he has to go deal with his boyfriend (evilstyle) valentino, angel dust's boss, who's complaining that angel moved into the hotel and therefore just "shows up, [does] his job, then [fucks] off somewhere else to sleep!" once calmed down, he tells vox that alastor is also staying at the hotel and vox is pissed. they sing a fun song. they fucking hate each other but alastor is cooler and he wins by just. shutting off all the power in the pentagon. vox sends a spy into the hotel – sir pentious. pentious does a great job at being a resident but angel catches him planting cameras. charlie is a bleeding heart so she lets him stay if he apologizes and alastor makes fun of vox for being evil and shitty (i love him sososo much)

episode 3: scrambled eggs sir pentious is living at the hotel and his egg bois, his minions, are causing trouble. vaggie sends alastor to humanely dispose of them while he's out on his Special Overlord Business. he goes to a meeting where he learns from velvette (another one of the vees so that's vox, valentino, and velvette) that an angel has been killed (from e1). alastor sends one of the eggs to follow two other overlords and finds out that the local arms dealer, carmilla (like the space doctor—) carmine is the one who killed the angel. all the while vaggie is trying to teach the residents to trust each other by doing trust falls (failure), going to a bdsm club (failure), and sending them unarmed into battle (success?) she has Issues clearly but who the fuck knows what they are (i do i watched the show. many times.). they all come back to the hotel and vaggie lets pentious keep his eggs which alastor hasn't killed yet. one of the eggs tell pentious that "that woman camaro carfight killed an angel!!" but pentious doesn't believe him cause the eggs are stupid and speak only in bullshit

episode 4: masquerade. angelcentric episode of all time. it's literally just angel dust. if there's a b plot i've completely forgotten it i think it's just angel. angel goes to his job at the porn factory and charlie is worried about how many hours he's putting in so she goes to try and pull rank on val but fails miserably (almost burns down the studio, ruins 8 shoots, only gets val more pissed at angel). when angel eventually comes home after doing a cool pop number about his abuse, he gets into a fight w husk, who's sent to go bring him back. husk finds him in a bar where a guy is about to offer him a spiked drink. he stops the guy and drags angel out but angel admits that he was aware of what was happening and purposefully lets people drug him so that val will want him less. they bond over having their souls owned by evil evil evil people (though i'd argue that val is considerably worse than alastor) and go back to the hotel where charlie apologizes profusely and angel forgives her. this makes her cry. end of episode. angel dust <3

episode 5: dad beat dad. daddy issues the episode. charlie has em!! she's forced to call her father to try and get help for the hotel. hes wallowing in a castle full to the brim of rubber ducks but gets soooooo happy when she invits him over, saying "my daughter wants to see meeee!! take that, depression!!!" (my mom quotes this whenever i show that i love her). he doesn't believe in her cause however, and hates sinners. when he gets to the hotel, he and alastor have a who's the best dad contest (it's alastor. btw. found family always wins.) and they take lucifer on a tour of the hotel. during their song, an old friend of alastor's from when they were alive stops by – mimzy. i love her. she's awful. while on the tour, husk pulls alastor aside and confronts him about mimzy, mentioning that alastor is "also on a leash" when he feels too condescended. alastor then goes full radio demon and threatens him. during this lucifer has been telling charlie (and vaggie) how much heaven sucks ass but so does hell when the hotel is attacked by loan sharks looking for mimzy. vaggie tries to go fight but alastor holds her back saying "it's time people remembered not to mess with the radio demon" and then he fucks those loan sharks up. whataguy. lucifer uses this as an example of how awful sinners are and charlie counters that alastor is protecting them because he believes in her. this is a good point and lucifer is stumped. they then sing a really good emotional song about being family and lucifer promises to get her the meeting. charlie then announces she's taking vaggie with her to heaven. vaggie is not thrilled

episode 6: welcome to heaven they go to heaven for the trial. (also why do we insist this fandom is evil i am getting exclusively really nice reactions to the fic i posted literally two hours ago) they meet emily and sera, two seraphim, and go on a brief tour of heaven. while charlie goes to the zoo with emily, adam and lute from earlier come back to talk to vaggie. here's the Big Plot Moment, he revelas that she used to be an exorcist and angel and says that if she doesn't do what he says in court, he'll tell everyone. they go to court and vaggie leaves "for the bathroom" almost instantly. charlie is doing a very bad job until they pull up a live feed of what angel is up to. he has a checklist which consists of 1) help others 2) don't steal 3) stick it to the man. he does all: helps niffty not get too wasted, stops niffty from stealing, and sticks it to that mothman!! (one of my favorite lines from the show) despite all this, the angels aren't convinced. in a fit of passion, adam reveals that he's an exorcist and apparently most of heaven didn't even know the exorcisms were happening. emily, the younger seraphim, joins ranks with charlie but ultimately it's hopeless and they lose their case before being sent back to hell. during the song adam reveals to charlie that vaggie used to be an exorcist, thus fucking up that relationship

episode 7: hello, rosie! roooosiiiieeeee <3333333 charlie is bemoaning her fate in her room and alastor goes to talk to her, giving her a little pep talk before making a deal: he'll tell her how to kill an angel if she promises him one favor (not a clue where she's going w this yet). everyone is pretty dismayed that charlie would make a deal with the radio demon but there's nothing they can do about it. vaggie is sent to go get the Murder Secrets while alastor and charlie go get troops. vaggie goes to the local arms dealer, carmilla, and they fight. carmilla makes fun of us the viewers by saying she instantly figured out vaggie was an angel and teachers how to use her own fighting style against herself. meanwhile charlie is bitching about her problems to alastor, who is not the guy to go to for relationship advice (implied aroace i love you alastor). they end up in cannibal town, which is the town where the cannibals live. you could've gotten that w/out an explanation. the leader of cannibal town is called rosie and i love her <3 rosie/alastor qpr real. anyways rosie promises to help them out if charlie can convince her cannibals, but charlie does a very bad job the first time round and she and rose have a talk about charlie and vaggie's relationship. rosie gives her some advice and using the power of Cool Cannibal Woman, charlie sings to the cannibals and convinces them (absolute wild move of hazbin to announce that every cannibal ever is a theater nerd but i am down for it). she meets vaggie back at the hotel and they start to reconcile. end of episode.

episode 8: the show must go on. extermination day. the angels come down from heaven and they basically just have to hope that they're prepared enough. everyone has trained to kill the angels and they have alastor's magic, rosie's troops, and carmilla's weapons on their side but who knows if it's enough (i do i watched the show). alastor sends up a shield around the hotel to trap a bunch of exorcists where they can't get out and more can't get in then goes to fight adam. he puts up a pretty good fight, actually, but is badly wounded and his silly gayboy magic staff breaks so he has to dip out of the fight. seeing alastor's shield shatter and adam come down to kill them, charlie and vaggie assume that alastor is dead and charlie just kinda goes "alastor... 🥺" then moves on like okay girl i though that was your dad. sir pentious kisses cherri bomb (angel's awesome australian bff that pentious has a crush on "miss bomb, do you want to do a sex with me") then goes to kill adam only to get blipped out of existence really anticlimactically. charlie is pissed and goes to fight him w her pet dragons named razzle and dazzle (they're adorable and i love them) but gets the shit beat out of her. that's when lucifer steps in and mostly kills adam only for niffty to stab the shit out of him. he dies, they rebuild the hotel, mourn pentious and only weeks later realize alastor actually wasnt dead but they did not mourn him (like okay i get there obviously wasn't time for a presumed dead plot line but it's so funny that they just. don't react to his supposed death.) penultimate scene is sir pentious arriving, very confused, in heaven. turns out the hotel works!! final scene is lute walking up to a woman(??????) (it's lilith, charlie's mom) and depositing adam's mask at her feet saying the deal is called off. end s1.

well that's the plot and i have infinity opinions on it. i will not share all of them for fear of getting burnt at the stake but yk. again if you want more info hmu i am literally. so down to talk.

ive written fanfiction. if you even care. i mean you probably don't.

alastor is a deer fic

alastor charlie found family fic

alastor gets whumped fic

if you notice a theme.. no you literally don't.

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just finished watching hazbin hotel and. wow ok. /pos. not the most amazing show ive ever seen but i had a good time.

heres some random incoherent thoughts ive got. some of them are negative so if u cant stand critisizm of ur show then keep scrolling bbygrl. also spoilers ofc

i didnt hate the visuals and character designs. sure its very red, but hey its hell. and the character designs sure were interesting! /pos. except fuck alastors hair. couldve been the coolest guy ever and they made him a 2000s scene kid. the animation was nice tho :))

i enjoyed all the songs, but idk if id put any on my playlist. the vibes change a lot even in the song, quite abruptly. the character arcs in the songs didnt feel fully realized either. but i didnt hate any of them. [had smth else to say, forgot, will add if i remember later]

the plot. sure was a plot. interesting concept for sure, i didnt hate it. its very interesting how the theology of the show is such because of how badly christians portrayed their theology. hotel seems very random tho ngl.

i have so many questions about the worldbuilding tho. whos immortal? how many times can you die? how are there families in hell ???

fuck nifty. annoying as bitch, worst character, ew. useless, someone cooler and more important shouldve killed adam. sir pentious was also kinda annoying but i sorta like him idk. fuck his eggs tho eugh. charlies a LOT but cute. i actually rly like vaggie, super intersting backstory. though without charlie she is nothing. i like lucifers characer design and thats all i have to say about that. angel and husk are cool, love their arcs and how their voices compliment each other. speaking of husks voice- scrumbdidillyumptious. instantly loved emily tho idk who she is. i really like alastor ngl- radios are cool and also creepy demon. idk how i feel abt him singing a not villain song tho. like he had a little dance number in the song with the cannibals and uhm. okay. perhaps makes sense with who he was in life. maybe he was a theatre kid idk. thought the other overlords we actually get to see were cool.

thats all my thoughts for now! overall, i'd watch a season 2.

helluva boss is better tho-

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Do You Have Any Hopes For Helluva Boss Episode 8, Whenever It Releases, Also Do You Have Any Concerns And Worries For The Season Finale And S2 Itself?

(For Me, I'm Concerned That The Finale Is Gonna Have Blitz And Stolas Getting Their Happy Ending And Making Up, (Plus, I Remember Hearing From Someone That Stolas Isn't Going To Die, And Both Him And Blitz Are Gonna Be Working On Their 'Relationship') And Seeing They're A Great Couple. Even Though They're Not, I'm Sorry..But I Just Don't Ship Stolitz Or Even Understand It, It's Just A Toxic Ship And Not To Mention It's Forced. I Also Don't Like That The Stolitz Romance Was/Is Such A Common Plotline In S1 And The Show Itself, It's Such A Chore To Sit Through And Kinda Drags Out, I Liked It Better When It Was Just A Joke!)

(I've Had A Few Issues About Helluva Boss, But Stolitz Is One Of My Biggest Issues. This Is Coming From Someone Who Used To Really Love The Show, But I've Slowly Started Losing Interest Since Episode 5, But Continued Watching And In Hopes Of Getting Interested In It Again, But I Just Got Less Uninterested. I Honestly Hope That Hazbin Hotel's Writing, World-building, And Character Development Is Much Better Handled Than What's Going On With Helluva Right Now, Because I Really Don't Like The Turn Helluva Is Talking Right Now, In My Opinion.)

(I'm Sorry For Going On A Rant, But I Just Wanted To Express Some Of My Feelings With Helluva Boss, And This Isn't Meant To Go Towards Anyone Who Likes Stolitz Or The Show. If You Like It, That's Alright And Okay, You Like What You Want. 😊💜 I Just Wanted To Give My Opinion, And Such.)

My hope for the finale, first and foremost, is well-handled character development. Maybe Moxxie will finally see Blitzo for the abusive manipulator he is and quit IMP. Maybe Blitzo will realize his arrangement with Stolas is unsustainable and break it off, embarking on a search for a new way to get to the surface. Maybe we'll see a more humanized, rounded portrayal of Stella and her feelings toward her husband's affair.

I'd also hope the plot threads with Striker and the agents wrap up in a satisfying way (maybe they made a deal with each other and are working together?), and that we learn why Loona still lives with Blitzo when he adopted her against her will and aggravates her so much. According to Viv, she's in her 20s, so what's holding her back from leaving? Is there some kind of magic that bonds hellhounds to their guardians? Here's where more fleshed-out worldbuilding would come in handy.

From my understanding, a new writer will be coming aboard for Season 2, and Viv may be pulling back to focus more on Hazbin Hotel. So I'm cautiously optimistic that the next season will have better writing overall.

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Let’s talk about Hazbin Hotel

So, I finally sat down and watched Hazbin Hotel. I’d heard so much about it and felt the need to launch myself headfirst into having my own opinions about it instead of just listening to other people talking about it. This is gonna be a long post, so I’m gonna put it behind a neat little read more. Please note that this is coming from someone who genuinely enjoys adult humour and edgy humour and themes. I’ve got no problem with something that’s all swearing and raunchy jokes. It just needs to be done right.

Point 1 - The Plot The plot is describes as the Princess of Hell trying to open a new hotel to rehabilitate sinners so they don’t get exterminated during the yearly heavenly extermination to deal with Hell’s overpopulation problems. This plot is quickly undone through a few things that anyone can notice during the first viewing. 1 - Overpopulation? WHAT population? The scenery is most often noticeably devoid of any signs of life, outside of when background characters are called for. The scene where Charlie’s doing her news presentation is the most notable example of background characters. After this scene, we see almost nobody outside of the main cast and those weird little egg things. There are a few throwaway demons but outside of that, the streets are devoid of people. There aren’t even the corpses we had just seen during that opening scene. 2 - Charlie may as well be a total nobody what with all the power being the Princess of Hell holds. Just look at how the other characters treat her. You’d think the Princess of Hell would have some kind of benefit that would sway people towards agreeing with this whole idea. Instead, she gets mocked by just about everyone for reasons I can only guess involve winning her sympathy points from the audience. 3 - At no point does she give any proof that redemption would work. She basically says, “Hey guys! I hate seeing you all die, so I have this idea that has no backing evidence, that may or may not work, to try and get you guys into Heaven! Let me sing a song about it where I insult you all!”

Point 2 - Presentation I applaud the animators. Must’ve been hard, especially for Charlie’s overly fast song that really didn’t need to be nightcored, or literally any time Angel Dust was on-screen. Frame by frame. No rigs. All those stripes. All those colours that blend if you stare at them too hard or squint even slightly while watching. All that unnecessarily constant movement. It’s no wonder the thing took four bloody years to animate. Outside of animation, there are too many unneeded details and not enough needed details. Seriously. 1 - The turf war. We didn’t need this. We didn’t need this at all. If you take out the entire opening to it and the entire actual fight scene here, the episode still flows smoothly and we get the same amount of information and worldbuilding. In a pilot/first episode, you should only give the audience necessary details. Leave them wanting more, yes, but make sure they actually know what they’re getting into from the first episode. Make every scene count. Make it mean something. Don’t just shove every detail you can think of together and call it a day, especially if you don’t actually give the audience much information from it. 2 - Why is Hell overpopulated? Why isn’t Heaven? Why can angels go from Heaven to Hell, but demons can’t go from Hell to Heaven? Why does nobody care about being redeemed if Hell is so overpopulated that Angels annually come down and kill people because of it? Why does everyone treat the Princess of Hell like she’s worthless? Why doesn’t Angel Dust know about Alastor if they got into hell within 10 years of each other? Where is this supposed overpopulation problem? Would redemption even work in the first place? Why should I care about most of these characters (who are mostly complete jerks with no redeeming qualities other than “PROTAGONIST”, especially when two of the fan favourites repeatedly sexually assault other characters and, in one case, is both sexist and racist at one point)? Why are there turf wars? I should not be having to ask these questions. Don’t hold the audience’s hand, but don’t leave every single question you present in the show unanswered. Some of the questions presented make absolute sense to leave unanswered. Why does Alastor want to help with the hotel? Why are characters like Vaggie and Niffty, who do nothing all that bad, in Hell? These are questions that make total sense to leave unanswered for now. 3 - What crime is too terrible to be redeemed for? Charlie seems to think that literally everyone can be redeemed. That means murderers, rapists, abusers, tormentors... Certainly her song holds some kind of key to figuring it out! “Inside of every creepy hatchet-wielding maniac” Hmm... Okay... “All of you cretins, sluts and losers, sexual deviants and boozers” Uh... “So, all your cartoon porn addictions, vegan rants, psychic predictions Ancient Roman crucifixions end right here All you monsters, thieves and crazies, cannibals and crying babies" Oh... Also, did she imply that mental illness, alcoholism, drug dependency, plant-based diets/lifestyles, rabies and enjoyment of sex were sins in that song?

Point 3 - Edgy for the sake of edgy Hazbin Hotel tries to be an adult cartoon, but comes off as something a mentally disturbed teenager wrote during their emo/scene phase. 1 - The swearing and sex jokes. Oh boy. I’ve worked with children under the age of 15 who swear and crack sex jokes better than the adults in this show. The swearing and sex jokes are the only reasons this show couldn’t be aired as a Cartoon Network show aimed at edgy teenagers. It’s so poorly done that it in and of itself takes away from the quality of the show itself. Also, we have a character who’s name is an actual sex joke itself. Vaggie, full name Vagatha - a lesbian sex worker, of course. Fun fact for those who don’t know, but all of her previous character drafts had her name as some form of joke on the word vagina. This isn’t an accident, this is blatant and intentional. Also, here’s a pro tip for you! You can make an adult-oriented show without having swearing, slurs and sex jokes taking up a solid third or more of your script. 2 - The... “Representation”. Yes, Hazbin Hotel has LGBT+ characters! Yes, it has biracial and Latina characters! Charlie is bi, Vaggie is a Latina lesbian, Angel Dust is a gay man, Alastor is ace and biracial, Husk is pan, Niffty is Japanese (YIKES). Except none of it actually matters. No, really. Vivziepop was all like, “btw you can ship w/e, idc! also, i rlly like the fanon version of human alastor (who is whiter than marshmallow fluff even though he’s supposed to be half black)! :)” and threw all that out the window because... Who knows at this point. Now, if you look at the connected series, Helluva Boss, you get Moxie and Millie - an extremely obvious and loving couple. In Hazbin Hotel, you get Charlie and Vaggie who you probably couldn’t tell were a couple without somebody telling you that in the first place, what with all the loveydovey-ness going on with them. In fact, the biggest hint we even get is literally one line. “Life ain’t a musical, hun.” But then again, I’d be more apt to believe Charlie and Vaggie are friends, or Vaggie is pining after Charlie. Also, Charlie is a really bad girlfriend! She lets Vaggie get abused by practically the entire cast without so much as a single word in her defense and ignores everything Vaggie says. It came as no surprise when I remembered hearing about how the only reason these two are a couple is because one of the people on the team thought they were during storyboarding and Vivziepop just went with it. Also, fun fact, Vaggie fits both the angry lesbian and fiery Latina stereotypes. Charlie fits the stereotype for the bisexual cheater, what with how she seems to actually like Alastor more than her own bloody girlfriend. Alastor is canonically ace because he’s too full of himself to be with anyone else. Speaking as somebody who’s ace... WHAT?! As much as I don’t like Charlastor, it’s partially more popular than Chaggie because Vivziepop actually made them act like a couple for an entire musical number. Also, he’s annoying. He not only kept telling Vaggie to smile (heck you dude), he also smacked her butt, which is a form of sexual assault, people. This was all played for laughs, along with Vaggie’s (actually very reasonable) anger. Niffty is Japanese. A yellow-skinned demon who’s boy crazy and obsessed with cleaning... Big yikes. Finally, Angel Dust. The kinky gay man porn star/drag queen/drug addict/prostitute who verbally sexually assaulted two guys. Where do I begin. When it came to this guy, Vivziepop must’ve been like, “Imma throw every stereotype for gay men on this guy and call it a character!” If you look a Helluva Boss again, you get Stolas, who verbally sexually assaults Blitzo over the phone and also cheated on his wife with him in the first place, so this isn’t a one-off. Also, he was originally AFAB, so that whole line about “Why are you all women?” is more than a little heinous and in extremely poor taste.

In conclusion, this show is terrible. Everything about it. It needs some serious reworking, because as it stands, it’s really truly not that great of a creation.

tl;dr: Needs a lot of work and “ThEy’Re In HeLl!!1!!one!!!eleven!!!11″ isn’t even remotely an excuse for the genuine problems in it. Remember, at least one actual human being on Earth, not in Hell, wrote this garbage fire. Also, the animators deserve a higher wage than whatever they’re getting to deal with these designs. I shudder just thinking about animating them, with or without a rig.