#i like the idea of chloe being a New bee hero and not queen bee again

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manifesting a new bee!chloe in season 6 🕯️🙏🕯️

[natedogx15]

Idea for a Drabble: Chloe realizes, after Ladybug decides to give a miraculous to Kagami, that her idol gave up on her because she’s a terrible person that’s undeserving of that power. So she decides to become one.

As in she fakes that her father sent her to study in a private school and starts to frequent her school pretending to be a newly transferred student from New York that’s the complete opposite of herself: Zoe Lee.

Surprisingly, it works, but Chloe starts to have an identity crisis and her efforts of keeping the masquerade up nearly drive her to madness.

Thank you for the ask prompt.

This is an awesome idea. I love ideas like these where characters masquerade as someone else to see everyone's reaction or thoughts on their real self.

Plus, I think you have a good and unique idea for a Chloe redemption arc with this prompt. Chloe gets to learn the benefits of being nice to other people while pretending to be Zoe, and maybe she'll stop feeling the need to copy her mother's attitude or bully others little by little. Especially when she realizes all her work paid off after Ladybug gives the Bee Miraculous back to her. And it would be amazing to see her start to question why she did all those things when they did nothing for her.

It also gives us a chance to do something with the knowledge provided in Kuro Neko where Cat Noir changed his hero costume. I can see Pollen willing to help Chloe hide her identity to watch the girl grow into a true "queen".

I think it really is a better way to use Zoe's character instead of her primarily being around to replace Chloe. Also, I do think her and Chloe's character could mix together well. I don't think it's too much of a stretch for Chloe's fangirling of Ladybug could be her having a crush on the girl. And Zoe's character at the start was putting up an act.

[generalluxun]

Apropos of nothing, do you remember that idea we discussed where Adrien & Chloe swap parents but keep the same default coping mechanisms/temperaments?

So Adrien spends a lo of time day dreaming & basically lives near full time in a sort of Chat Noir-esc persona minus the hero elements & tends to try and draw others into it.

Meanwhile for Chloe everything is a fight, all the time, but there's also no real victory, its an endless staircase where meeting wining is just the new standard for 'acceptable'.

Let me wondering what dynamics would have emerged in such an AU.

Like,

Adrien is probably more popular than Chloe ever was, but also likely even easier to manipulate or use. With Chloe in canon its mostly directing her anger that is nominally easy, while here it'd be simple to get Adrien to buy stuff for people or give out tickets ETC.

I imagine the 'issue' is that he's not much for social boundaries or restraint so he can become clingy very quickly and get very upset if he feels rejected.

Chloe meanwhile may only be going to school to get away from her father or even as a pride thing, "People will think I only succeed because you pay people" or cos Adrien was going through a rough patch maybe. Probably a combo.

I think her default temperament would be closer to Gabriel or Kagami's. She's colder and more urbane than canon, but still very blunt at best. Still she reserves hostility for competition, where its let out as nearly unchecked but very targeted aggression. She's not as disliked due to not picking a fight with everything that moves & being a bit more restrained, but she basically viewed as an ice queen.

In this regard, Adrien is probably the only person off the cuff to be able to be particularly affectionate or playful with Chloe. Cos he's been around long enough that he kind of exists outside her normal perspective. Similarly, Chloe can be rougher around the edges with Adrien than most others & he doesn't take it badly as he knows she's never leaving him.

I am unsure where Sabrina or Marinette would end up in this scenario, maybe they are friends?

Without having to deal with Chloe's bulldozer personality for several years Marinette may be more confident. Not a Queen Bee exactly, but definitely the go to girl. How well said confidence holds up to a challenge however is unclear.

Sabrina likely is still rather neurotic about needing to feel useful to others given that attitude stems from Roger. So she might volunteer a to in class, and be another "Easy to take advantage of" person.

Kagami, her & Chloe's relationship would be interesting I feel cos it'd bemore overtly a rivarly. But I think regarded very differently by both.

To Chloe, Kagami is a peer, a foe, someone to overcome; someone who can nd has defeated her and she hates it, even if part of her is drawn towards her regardless.

For Kagami she'd start of being like, "Ooh marvelous competition, such an aggressive dueling style!" only to realize Chloe takes 'ZERO' pleasure in this, or almost anything she does. So for her part of it would almost be wanted to crack the shell, or dethaw the ice queen.

Beyond that... Yeah no clue, though I imagine Chloe & Gabriel are on less good terms than Adrien & Gabriel were, but also more subtly.

Like, Adrien was more open expressing frustration or resentment with his father, but still wanted his love and hoped he'd warm up. Meanwhile I feel for Chloe it'd have become so tense and toxic at least since Emilie died that while she wants tp prove herself to him, its another challenge, a contest, a battle of wills to her. here's no real hope for love or warmth, she just wants to win.

ALso realize why I thought of this, low key imagining her having an Akuma with somehting like this happening: https://youtu.be/tWTQyCrq0Ts?si=R5_KSbqtZGd4ok5w&t=290

Start at 4:50 if interested.

We have different ideas of this! So I'll lay mine out.

Adrien: I think you're still clinging to the 'good boy Adrien' of canon and warping what we're doing here to fit that. Adrien i not evil, but he is not *socially functional* here. He is not transaction based, he is escapism personified. Might he be nice to talk to? Yes. But ay any given moment he might tangent off into a lore dump of one of the (many) worlds he's made up entirely in his head. Not only that, he might just start larping it at you without warning and without any indication even *he* is aware he's crossed the boundary.

Think 'ahaha I have ADHD so bad watch my hyperfixate!' only not in the quirky tumblresque manner but in the actual social impairment manner. He's not anti-social he's A-social, and there is a small chance if his 'reality' is challenged he MIGHT get aggressive. Most people can humor hi, and his manner can be fun for a while, but it can also be extremely draining. Only a few people can handle it 'full time'.

Chloé: I think you're adding canon spice here again, keeping the ire-antagonist angle. I see it much more as competition for the sake of the *competition*. She needs another award. Being an 'ice queen' is wasted effort. Being mean would indicate a level of attention to people that most are just not worth.

The difference can be highlighted with Kagami for example- Kagami might seek a rivalry(she enjoys them. There's a form of connection and socialization in acknowledging a peer and beating/losing to them specifically) Chloe just couldn't care less. You're an opponent for the length of a match, then the match is over and there's another, and another, until a trophy is won or lost and then it's on to the next competition. There's no reviewing; no bitterness nor pride. As soon as the trophy is won or lost it's worthless as is everything involved in winning it. It's not a snide or dismissive attitude(again, that would take effort) it's just a sort of detched/focused 'Next Quest!' mentality. She is the 'questing knight'.

I don't think Chloe would make connections with most people(for obvious weapons) and could definitely make a terrible first impression. However those who knows her (from a distance obvi) would often have a 'stand back and check this out' mentality. She's not great to talk to but just *seeing what she'll do next* is entertaining, success or failure.

now Sabrina and Marinette

Sabrina: If we're keeping her as knowing and being devoted to Chloe via family ties, then she would be 'Squire' to Chloé's knight. Constantly there with a spare foil, a new pencil, or a towel. She's a one-girl cheering section who takes more pride in Chloé's achievements than Chloé does herself(though she never touts them when Chloe is around, since Chloé takes a negative view on all past victories as 'meaningless') If you want Chloe to focus on you, just pick on Sabrina. You'll feel her eyes boring a hole in you before she tackles you, if you're lucky. If Sabrina is instead attached to Adrien through connections then she'll be his playmate and partner in all his fantasies. She's an 'Adrien Whisperer' who remembers each of his worlds and all the little details for ease of translation. She enjoys her status as the one constant in his worlds, and guards it a little jealously. She's good for his peace of mind, but probably bad for any sense of healthy socialization for him, as she would view any effort to 'bring him into the real world' as bad.

Marinette: In regards to Chloé, Marinette would definitely have some oppositional issues. Marinette likes competition and winning, but she likes it from the social aspect. Rivalry is fun(as long as it's light, Kagami can be a bit intense for her) but all her attempts to engage Chloé slide right off. 'I'll get you next time!' elicits a shrug at best. 'Ha I beat you!' elicits even less. Similarly attempts to ingratiate fall flat. Gifts are unwelcome, praise earns eyerolls. Marinette is stubborn though, so her long term goal would be to figure out this being who is so antithetical to herself. She'll find a way to *matter* to Chloe some how. The worst thing for asomeone with only child syndrome is being ignored. 🤣 With Adrien Marinette would be both enamored and repulsed. It would create quite the internal struggle for her. He's Gorgeous, and he's oh so creative! She loves his little head-worlds and could listen to him talk about them forever. *BUT* when he acts them out, when he brings the imaginations into reality. She gets intense second-hand embarrassment. She projects her own insecurity at being seen as immature onto him and it eats at her. So their relationship becomes a push-pull of: does she pull him out of his fantasy worlds? Does she learn to set aside her embarrassment? Do they meet somewhere in the middle? Does the attraction overcome the hurdles? (Is Sabrina an obstacle?) How does she know if Adrien is attracted to her, or the her in his head? Who is the her in his head? With him having such a vivid imagination she might feel very exposed around him. He *thinks* about her, and she can't hide in his head.

I hope some of this long winded explanation helped.

[universaln0b0dy]

Zoé Lee (Mlb au)

[Note] Hey, hey! I wanted to start rewriting and designing miraculous for the fun of it. Please note that this is just for fun and giggles! I will try to keep the rewrite as close to the show as possible, at the same time I want to put as much of my ideas into it as I can. Also this is probably an angst au, because of my 3 am brainrot.

Zoé Lee:

Nice character, but I kinda dislike her in the show. She was added for what? I mean maybe as a better half for Chloe but she is just a replacement. If I handed Chloe character development nothing would change in the show. Zoe is lost potential and because I didn't have any idea what to do with og Zoe I renewed her completely. But enough of me yappin

Backstory:

Zoé hates her parents. Her mother is a cheating wench and a drama queen and her father a manipulative and corrupted politician. The only person in her family she likes is Chloe, her half sister.

If you read Chloe's rewrite you might already know that Zoe isn't the kid born out of wedlock, but Chloe. But out of a sense of protective ness she decides to claim that Andre isn't her father and moves to New York with her mother.

There she spends a lot of time trying to reach out to Chloe, but never receives an answer. Almost Zoe would have given up, if her mothers assistant hadn't personally delivered one last letter.

Zoé's personality, season 3-4

Manipulative and a good liar/pretender; Zoé has no trouble acting, in one minute she can be the nicest person you know before doing a 180 and constantly belittling you. She learned from the best after all!

Loving and Caring; A side one rarely gets to see. When her younger sister finally reaches out to her Zoé is ready to bring her home. But she isn't only nice to her sister, she has an open ear for those who her sister harms and becomes a sort of idol for Juleka and Marinette for different reasons.

Headstrong and Stubborn. If she plans on other throwing the government, she will overthrow the government. If she wants custody of her sister, she will get custody of her sister. She is very strong about what she wants and rarely backs down from achieving her dreams. This also makes her vulnerable to hawkmoths attacks.

Confident, encouraging but also judging, she will support crazy ideas, but she is also older than the main cast of miraculous, which also gives her the "wisdom" of being an adult. She doesn't have much screen time, but when she does you will also see her genuinely asking just what the fuck is happening, constantly.

Zoé as worker Bee:

No, Zoe won't become an actually present miraculous holder. The sole reason for it is that she doesn't want to be a super hero and that Chloe is the bee miraculous holder. That is why she also choose the name "Worker bee". She regards herself as someone while doing the work, not doing the work for herself but in order to ensure the survival of someone else.

Worker bee only shows up twice and outright rejects Lady bugs idea of becoming a hero more often.

That means Chloe is a constant bee miraculous holder! (Yay)

Drawing

Lol, girly is 18 but doesn't act like an adult. She only dresses this way because her mother hates it. Her hero costume unlike all the others doesn't have as many animal influences as the others do. The more often you will use your miraculous the more you mirror the animal you are supposed to represent but hey,

This was our drawting session, hope you enjoyed! And what should go next?

[maestro04yayyy]

So, I had some "Match My Freak" thoughts but they need to be spread across two asks, so here goes the second!

 Basically, I have two ideas how I think the post Style Queen story would go, (3 if one wants to imagine Gabriel actually retiring either for a time or permanently) Those being: 

Akuma Juleka, & Violent Tigress Juleka 

The set up is basically the same for both, as established CHloe bounces back fast when rejected by a loved one because well she's used to that and thinks love is something you earn or win and otherwise fight for and if she isn't receiving it she needs to fight harder. So she's already forgotten (Repressed) the horrible things Audrey said earlier and is cheerfully (Hysterically) dismissive when Juleka is concerned about her basically shutting down from the stress of not being able to please her mother and listen to Juleka at the same time. 

Juleka's keyed into enough of Chloe's issues at this stage thats he won't push her too hard but she is concerned.

Things go as normal and then Audrey choosed to take Marinette to New York and Chloe is definitely upset by this; she's not quite as insecure in this timeline & she and Marinette are marginally more chill but this is still the mother Chloe's spent a lifetime modelling herself after in a quest for love choosing another girl over her cos of a hat. Even with her bolstered confidence and better social circle, this is still a blow and she's definitely not keyed into healthy relationships enough to fully understand or articulate it save that she's in pain and her mother just doesn't seem to care. 

Because she's not exceptional enough to warrant being cared for. 

Note: it is possible tat Audrey may be willing to deem Chloe as useful potential staff for a more slow burn version of this, like taking Marinette, Juleka & Chloe to New York, but it being very clear she deems the model and seamstress a tier or two above Chloe who is just staff, but that feels like its own AU. 

Exactly how far things spiral is up in the air, as it could straight up involve Chloe revealing she was Queen Bee and helped save Audrey the day before, which would at best lead to Audrey saying Chloe just threw her one shot at being exceptional away to prove a point, or being furious at Chloe for 'betraying' her. Or it could just lead to them fighting and Chloe fleeing in tears without making the reveal. (Whether she knows Juleka has the tiger could play into this) 

Juleka goes after her regardless, though not before sending Andre a contempt filled glad because he did nothing and or may even try and discourage or stop Juleka from going to look after Chloe as he wants her vulnerable and to come to his side. But whatever the case she slips/breaks away and goes to her and tries to comfort her. 

If Chloe revealed her ID as Queen Bee, Gabriel sends an Akuma after her but Juleka grabs onto it in Chloe's stead, becoming Berserk Knight, and when Chloe tries to talk her down, well Juleka turns Chloe into her queen/maiden whose power is to basically make Juleka stronger/bolster her.

Then she goes on a rampage at Audrey & Andre, fights Ladybug & Chat Noir, though CHloe manages to willpower her way out of Juleka;s control and get her to stop long enough for the heroes to win. LB or Chat likely do tell her she can't be a hero again but that what she did there was exceptional (Sending pointed glares to Audrey) before leaving. 

If Chloe didn't reveal her ID, Juleka ends up donning Roarr and promises the smirking tiger as much havoc as she desires. Cue Juleka pretending to be an Akuma and going on a rampage directed at Audrey and Andre. (Note for the more unhinged AUs this is not a loud rampage but a dead in the night rampage)

She has no real interest in fighting the heroes but may get Akumatized if she loses the fight and oh boy that would be dangerous, but even if not, I'd say she manages to get away after putting some fear in Audrey & Andre's guts and Chloe would probably cover for Juleka cos like hell she's gonna let her GF be blamed for something she did on Chloe's behalf. 

So Violet Tigress is still on the loose in both versions, but has very different relationships with the heroes and Chloe's situation is radically different too. 

Not sure where things would go after that, but I could see Maladiktator still happening (or something like it) when Andre fails t get his claws back into Chloe and she'd likely still get chosen on Heroes Day as well given the circumstances. 

Uhhhh!!!! I love all those options!!!!!!!!

Juleka sure as all is concerned!!!!!!! Her girlfriend is very concerning on a good day!!!! And that was not a good day!!!!

Also for how chloe react to audrey leaving with marinette, I think I prefer that she just has another breakdown in public and run away crying!!! Like this way ypu really show how much that affected her because she really doesn't like showing weaknesses to others, and while I can see chloe transforming or attacking audrey(yelling but I also love if she punch her, as a civilian) that would imply chloe think audrey is wrong, and that's probably not the case, chloe wish she is wrong but chloe always think that audrey is always right!!! So nothing she does could change it, so running away and hide until they go away is the best action for her.

(Also all of them going to new York really is an au of it's own!!!! I can see marinette gicing the miravulous to alya, and juleka accepting the offer because chloe was happy about it, in a If I day now, I would rise from the death just to do this thing kind of way, so turning it down was impossible for juleka even if she really doesn't like audrey, but at least they are getting away from andre)

Also!!!!! I love the idea pf jukeka just using the miraculous and terrorize andre and audrey!!! And just go for a rampage!!!!!(also I love the death in the night rampage!!!) And violent tigress is an awesome name!!!!!(also chloe totally make an alibi for juleka)

Amd oh god that's gonna be interesting to see with other heroes!!!!! Since juleka will probably be seen as another villain!!!! And probably act as one not only that one time because why not? It's not like her action as villain have real consecuences since ladybug fix everything, she just has to be careful about traumatizing people or not to be careful about it if that's exactly what she wants(I actually can see her going after gabriel for whatever reason, maybe he helped andre to gake chloe back, maybe he is keeping adrien away from chloe, anyway gabriel now is convinced tigress know his identity as hm)

Ohhh and having a secon villain and with such raw power and destruction level, might mean chloe will be given the miraculous more often to fight her!!!! And the flirting is gonna be unavoidable!!!! Because chloe know it's juleka and juleka either figured it out or chloe told her!!!!

Also I can see tigress just kidnap chloe sometimes when they want to have a date but andre tried to keep chloe busy with some gala or something like that that she couldn't avoid and juleka couldn't join, so crime is the only answer.(also both of them probably like the kidnap part way too much)

Also really thank you for sending me asks!!!!! I love them all!!!!! And sorry it took me a while to answer!!!!

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First day of college is tomorrow so

Team Miraculous Headcanons!

(Note: I feel like the temp heros arent fleshed out as much so im only talking about their role on the team and the difference between their civilian and hero persona.)

Ladybug & Chat Noir: you already know.

Rena Rouge & Carapace: Just like the two lovebirds up there, I think there personalities swap in their hero personas. While Alya is the more rational one and Nino the coming up with crazy ideas, Rena is the crazy idea girl and Carapace is the one that wants everyone to think things through. In combat, Carapace is a frontliner like Chat Noir but with meatshield bent. Rena rarely sees combat because she's more of a mission control/guy in the chair/Navigator and yes I can randomly make persona references that supports the team from the shadows with illusions and spying on the villain.

Queen Bee: This might contradict canon but idc, Queen Bee is nice! Like yeah, she still insults her teammates, but not to their faces anymore! Chloe's making an effort to not be bad and she's failing, but it's the thought that counts right? In battle, Chloe is just doing her best Ladybug impression and it's not too bad.

Vesperia: If Queen Bee is Chloe trying to be nice, then Vesperia is Zoe being a savage! The girl has a lot of pent up anger from living with Audrey and Chloe at the same time, so she deserves to cut loose a bit. Vesperia is one of the heroes that uses the most taunts and insults against villains, sometimes to bait them but most of the time it's just her being a little bad. She's a frontliner but with an emphasis on dodging hits and grabbing attention.

Viperion: Luka is approachable, Viperion is not. He has creepy eyes and half of Paris is convinced he's psychic and can read minds (which isn't entirely wrong, he just reads emotions). The bad rep dosen't bother Luka too much, but it gets annoying when his teammates are scared of him.

Pegasus: Despite being a nerd, Max really isn't an uptight person. As long as something dosen't endanger himself, he's open to trying new things. Pegasus isn't. He lowkey believes he's surrounded by idiots including Ladybug (but he obeys her orders cause she hasn't really lost yet). Half of Paris is also terrified by him because he's able to pull off Batman levels of big brain during a fight.

King Monkey: Most of the temp's hero personas have different personalities but King monkey really is just Kim in monkey suit. Max has lowkey sussed out his identity, Kim suspects nothing.

Ryuko: Kagami is calm, which is why no one has figured out her identity because Ryuko is cRaZy. She's like one of those middle schoolers pretending to be their favorite anime character but WITH REAL POWERS! Villains are also scared of her because she has like 3 powers for some reason.

Purple Tigress: What more can I add? We all saw her: a raging cat lesbian. She's a berserker!

Pigella: She's like that one "threatening positivity" post: you will feel better, you have no choice >:)". the Love square between her and Tigress is real also. In fight she's like those really annoying spell casters that hypnotize your party members.

Miss Hound: When Sabrina transforms she just goes full Chloe! All the years of being mistreated come out as her being 10× meaner than any other hero! Miss Hound dodges a villains attack? "And thats why your useless, utterly useless!" She and Vesperia are besties!

[princess-of-the-corner]

Princess Bee: So how do they finally realize that Chloe isn't the butterfly villain?

It's a combination of things!

The first is just. Whatever happened in the past is not her now. Even if they just face value think that teenage!Chloé had been nothing but a spoiled brat with a perfect life being mean because she got a kick out of it...... that's not the woman they're seeing.

Chloé may still have her snark and ruthlessness and she not suffer fools, but she is also kind and patient. If Dawn does break some rule(rare due to being raised right, but she's a dumbass teen it'll happen), then Chloé is both ready to listen to why but not going to play any cards to erase the consequences.

As they talk more, they get random lore info drops. Exactly how horrible Audrey was. The fact that Andre threw her away in favor of Zoé(no one but Zoé knew that). Mentions of how Hawkmoth/Monarch (and also Lila) manipulated her and her traumas and insecurities. How she wanted to be better, but she felt like her only use was in being awful, and god did she want someone to think she had worth in /something/, anything.

Now I think these are enough for the group to realize that she's not a bad person. That she has changed and is a lot better.

However.... this doesn't take her out of the running for the new Butterfly. Because they don't know what the Villain wants. If it is Chloé, then the idea of her wanting the Wish to go back in time and make different choices is a good motive.

I think the thing that would kick that out of the park is like. Chloé having the opportunity to get power and choosing not to?

Like like like-

I have the idea in my head of an event where Chloé is out and about and there's an Akuma and multiple Heroes are fighting it as it's a hard battle. One of the Heroes is tossed and crashes through Chloé's hiding spot. The Hero is too injured to rejoin the fight, but they could /really/ use their power right about now.

Chloé makes a decision and yoinks the Miraculous, making sure to not look at the Hero's identity, and tells them to hide as best they can and run as soon as Miraculous Cure hits. She then transforms and joins the fray. (Note: Chloé is the loophole to whatever cursed the rest of the Heroes and Villains to be unable to use the Miraculous).

She ofc kicks ass, especially as an adult who is able to use her Power multiple times. But there's two things she does that would convince the old Heroes. 1.) She doesn't do any reveal of her identity. No one other than the original Hero she yoinked the Miraculous from and the current Ladybug(Emma) would have known who she was if Emma didn't tell her mom and 2.) the fact that she immediately gave the Miraculous to Emma as soon as she was done with the fight.

They feel like if this was about reclaiming glory, than a 'Queen Bee is back bitches!!' would've been her first action. And if she /were/ the Butterfly, then why not just steal whichever Miraculous it was? Why give it back?

[mymiraclebox]

since you changed up some of the canon miraculouses, do you think the lineup would change up as well, either switching around or replacing characters?

I think the biggest impact that would come from my changes to the canon Miraculouses would be with Felix and the Peacock Miraculous. Since my Peacock Miraculous does not create new individual lives but rather a physical manifestations of one's mind, Felix would have no need to claim the Peacock Miraculous since it isn't being used to control sentient beings, nor would Felix be a sentibeing, so he couldn't be killed by it being in the wrong hands. (Felix and Adrien's births are still connected to the Peacock Miraculous, with it being used to help the Graham de Vanily sisters with their fertility struggles, but the boys are not creations of the Peacock themselves).

I can also think of some other changes I would make based around this and a few other concept changes, so I think the hero lineup (including the Butterfly and Peacock being rescued) would be like this if canon used my version of the canon Miraculouses:

Ladybug - Marinette (Ladybug) Black Cat - Adrien (Chat Noir) Fox - Alya (Rena Rouge) Turtle - Nino (Carapace) Bee - Chloe (Queen Bee) Butterfly - Felix (Viceroy) Peacock - Luka (Panoptes*) Ox - Ivan (Minotaurox) Tiger - Juleka (Violet Tigress) Rabbit - Alix (Bunnyx) Dragon - Kagami (Ryuko) Cobra - Max (Python) Horse - Zoe (Shire) Goat - Marc (Satyr) Monkey - Kim (Roi Singe) Dog - Mylene (Lassie) Mouse - Sabrina (Muroidea) Rooster - Nathaniel (Red Quill) Pig - Rose (Pigella)

I think the OG five have great match up with their original Miraculouses, whose concepts and powers stayed the same in my AU, so really no need to make any changes here.

First up we have Butterfly!Felix. Even if he has no reason for the Peacock, I still think he’d be down to steal magic from his uncle. I like this match because I think Felix and Nooroo could connect to each other with their similar pasts, and also I think they'd be a good influence on each other. Nooroo being Generosity could help Felix who is more self centered, while Felix could help Nooroo with his low confidence and pride.

Next is Peacock!Luka. Luka would be such a good Peacock. And seeing how canon treats Luka like everyone's therapist, and his whole ability to understand people and express it with music, why shouldn't he get the kwami of Psyche? Honestly I think he'd be a good match up with the canon concept Emotion as well.

Next up is Cobra!Max, I just always thought Max would do so well with these time powers, his ability to analyze, remember, and strategize would benefit with the gathered information and Opportunity he could create from the Cobra Miraculous. I also thought he didn't have a particularly strong connection with the Horse Miraculous, like it's okay, but not as perfect as some other pairings in canon, so with the Cobra opened up this was a no brainer.

Then we have Horse!Zoe, who I think matches this Miraculous a lot better than Max. As Zoe is someone who has never had much freedom and was always hiding herself to fit in I think the Horse would be perfect for her, and I think Kaalki would absolutely adore Zoe as well.

Is the main reason why Goat!Marc and Rooster!Nathaniel are here because I thought this was going to be canon? Maybe. But also with Marc as a writer I just can't see him not being a good holder for Imagination. I love the idea of Orikko and Nathaniel together, I think he'd be such a good confidence booster for Nath. Also I think Marc and Ziggy would get along so well too, both having a very sweet side.

For Dog!Mylene I picked this because I never saw the Mouse as an overly good fit for her, and with the Mouse no longer shrinking holders down I felt it lost the visual match as well with Mylene being one of the shorter classmates. Then with my Dog as Detection rather than Adoration I don't think it fits Sabrina as much anymore. I swapped these two because I felt Detection would fit Mylene well seeing how active she is with trying to do good in the world, and maybe it could help her with her fears if she was more aware of her surroundings. Mouse!Sabrina I think would definitely maximize the possibilities of being able to be in multiple places at once. She’s very smart, and plus I think Mullo would help her stand up for herself.

And for everyone else... well, canon gave them a really good fit, even with the changes I made to my headcanons. Like with the Pig now being Love, it still fits Rose well, etc.

*Credit to @silverslate221 for the name of Peacock!Luka.

[immaturityofthomasastruc]

Okay,so I’m starting off with how I’ve changed the miraculous,since I now have a clearer picture of the re-write than when I first re-wrote chloe,and keep in mind some thing might change,and try suggesting other things I can try changing.

Now,for the more general stuff,I have given each of the main non-zodiac miraculous elemental powers.

My reason for this is that the main six just...don’t feel special.

These powers would work as a way to make sure that these miraculous aren’t just handed out Willy nilly,because once you transform,you permanently gain these powers-it doesn’t matter if you de-transform or give the miraculous to someone else-you always have these.i think this is a fun way to modify the miraculous to make it actually believable that they are the most powerful.

Also now each miraculous has different times as to when the holder will de transform if they have not mastered the technique(the smallest being the ladybug at still five minutes and the largest being the foe by an hour)

Now onto individual miraculous.

The ladybug:I’ve removed the ability to purify an akuma and now she needs the help of chat to do miraculous ladybug.in turn she gets the power of air and can fly or create a strong breeze or make a mini hurricane.she also has a bag that carries over from her civilian form(but dotted) and it’s linked via miraculous,so she needs to have it everywhere,or else she won’t be able to do lucky charm.

The cat:it stays mostly the same,only gaining the ability to purify akuma’s and getting the power of lightning.

The bee:now the holder has little worker bees that can be used for spying and can sting people from afar is the place of her spinning top(and yeah callimara and her re-design re-write was what pushed me to do this,simply because of the idea of her calling the others “her worker bees” so credit to her)and also the holder can control ground(might change later)

The turtle:I need a new power for the ox because tbh the ox is just what the turtle’s power should be imo(and the holder can control water.)

The peacock:stays the same and the holder can now travel through shadows.this is because despite having arguably the most useful power it will be out of commission for a good bit,so once Nathalie(yes,I said Nathalie not Gabriel cause it only starts getting used once Gabriel get hit out of comisión in miracle queen,which I’m debating changing to season two finale since mayor’s doesn’t exist a therefore heroes day would not serve crap)starts using its when the heroes have scaled in fire power.

The butterfly:the holder can now create a blinding light in the form of an orb(the butterfly is already pretty strong)

The fox:the illusions are now tangible but will disappear in thirty minutes,also the flute is now replaced by fox beads that can be used for illusions and as a whip,however it will cost the bead in question,yes the holder can use the a bead the make the whip larger/make up for the lost beads,there are ten beads in total.also the holder now has the power of fire.

The bunny:I’ve decided to take a different approach to fixing the bunny than other,as now,instead of completely overwritting the power,it’s now more of a “high risk,high reward” thing,where the snake is more reliable,but the bunny is more powerful.the snake stays the same but the bunny gets the added downside of that the holder will become extremely nauseous after de-transforming depending on how much they used the miraculous.

The rooster:it can now be used to manipulate memories,via erasing,forcibly resurfacing,or replacing them.

As I’ve said I’m open on suggestions.

You've really put a lot of thought into this. Would the Zodiac Miraculous have any additional abilities like the core seven?

[awholelotofladybug]

(Stammering Adrien AU: Babylon's Lady, an Akumanette prompt. Basically Chat Noir and the other heroes like Viperion, Queen Bee, Renabella aka Alya's unify Fox and Ladybug Miraculous name, etc try to make Marinette snapped out of her evil mind but she didn't listen to them and then she left.)

(Note about Babylon's Lady's design: Her design is mostly based on the Woman of Apocalypse from New Teslament. She wore a purple and scarlet glittering dress with a transparent red cape, a purple feathery shawl, and a golden crown on her head. She bears a golden goblet on her hands full of akumas and amoks that could allow her to turn a person into an akumatized villain. Her sentimonster is a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven crowns.)

Babylon's Lady: *evilly laughs at Lila and Katrina* I am feeling great today! What misfortune this is for you! Let the feast begin!

Chat: *cries* Marinette, stop it! This isn't you at all!

Chat: Marinette, stop! This isn't you at all!

Babylon's Lady: And why not?! Why do I have to be the nice one all the time?! Why do I always have to take the high route?! *starts tearing up* Do you have any idea what it's like to spend all your time being someone else's punching bag?!

Chat: *sigh* I do. I r-r-really do. And you and I b-both know how much strength it takes not to... not to lash out. You are so strong, Marinette, stronger than you could possibly know. *hugs her* Please, be strong again. Reject Hawkmoth. If n-n-not for us, then for yourself.

Babylon's Lady: *weeps for a bit, then hugs Chat, sobbing as she slowly turns back into Marinette* I'm sorry... I'm so sorry...

Chat: Shh shh, it's okay. *pats her back* It's okay.

One De-Evilization later:

Marinette: *handing Master Fu the earrings* I don't deserve these. I don't know what made me think I could be a hero.

Master Fu: Marinette, If mistakes were all it took to disqualify us, none of us would be guardians. Besides, I didn't loan you the earrings, I gave them to you. They are yours.

Marinette: W-What? B-But what about the guardianship? What about the Order?

Master Fu: The Order is gone, and those of us who are left are too old and too frail. That's why I have come to a decision. From now on, you will all keep your Miraculouses. You will ALL be guardians, and create a new order with new rules.

Marinette: *deep breath* Okay. Okay, this sounds super dangerous, but I'll do it.

Adrien: And I'll do it.

Alya: Me too.

Nino: I'll do it.

Chloe: So will I... Wait, what about the other guardians around the world?

Master Fu: I have already spoken to most of them. Everything will fall into place. And when the last Miraculous is handed out, the old guardians will depart.

Marinette: You mean... You're gonna leave?

Master Fu: Yes. I know it's sad, but sooner or later, you must all continue your journey without me. *smiles* But I will stay put until then. *bows*

*the whole team bows to their old master*

[sillyangstfic]

Ya know what would be a cool miraculous fic: if Gabriel figured out how to clone the Butterfly miraculous to give him the same powers that way he can keep being Hawkmoth even if he loses the original miraculous.

Then they give the original Butterfly miraculous to Zoe (Queen Bee/Chloe character development for the win! Suck it writers!) and Zoe has moments where she has to drop everything, transform, and send another butterfly to get to the akuma target for the day and just basically be a magic therapist. Hawkmoth hates her because she keeps calming down potential akuma targets through the butterfly mind telepathy so Gabriel has to go out of his way to just cause problems and hope Zoe doesn't get there first.

Battle of the Butterflies! Lets GO!

Also Chloe distracting akumas/Mayura so that Zoe can keep working without fighting for her life. Zoe also spoils the shit out of Nooroo because the little guy deserves it.

What superhero name do you think Zoe would have? I've seen aus where Marinette has the butterfly and is called Lady Fairy, Mariposa, Lady Butterfly, etc. but I'm not sure which best fits Zoe.

Ooooh that is fun

I think if he somehow split the miraculous in two rather than duping it there would be more fun magical consequences, so I’m going with that

He needs a decoy. He swears that Ladybug has been onto his identity lately and he needs to throw someone else under the bus. Someone Ladybug would suspect, someone who would make sense. Chloe Bourgeois? No, she’s been the victim of too many akuma attacks. Her new little sister, however…

I think Zoe would be chosen because he would assume that she’d be just like Chloe, only a little younger. He would be counting on her to recklessly akumatize anyone and everyone she could, and lead Ladybug straight to her in the process

No one questions why the new girl wears a brooch

Everyone starts asking questions when a new butterfly shows up, calming people down from panic attacks, giving them the power to get their cat out of a tree, giving a woman the power to fly so she can make it on time to her court appointment, etc

I like the Chloe helping idea!! Especially since she’d absolutely notice if her new sister was suddenly wearing a brooch.

Chloe interrogates her about it and when Zoe is hella sketch, Chloe starts digging deeper (w/ Sabrina ofc) and discovers that she’s the new butterfly

Chloe decides to help her out, but doesn’t want her to know it was her (she’s got a reputation to uphold!) so she gets a Stealth Queen Bee suit and becomes a Hawkmoth defeating task force

I think Nooroo would be split between them (since I split the miraculous here) and would be torn back and forth. Zoe and Nino would bond over their bestie’s shitty dads (Zoe needed to vent to somebody, and she needed to demagicify it first)

They can only transform when they have Nooroo, and both try to do everything they can to keep him (Zoe by giving Nooroo lots of snacks and love to try to signal to the miraculous that this is the better place for him, and Gabe by trying to make kwami traps that Nooroo can’t escape out of)

Here’s my ideas for hero names: (I’d give her the colors each butterfly when transformed)

Butterfree (pokemon)

The Painted Lady (butterfly type + atla reference)

Mourning Cloak (butterfly type + fun symbolism)

Grayling (butterfly type + makes her sound like a kid)

Holly Blue (butterfly type + really pretty + TAKE that color from Mayura)

[matt0044]

Okay, I'm seeing a loooooot of Chloe mentions and I feel I need to be THAT guy and put my foot down about it.

I get why some might’ve felt cheated out of a redemption arc they were getting into around Season 2. There is a compelling story about “the worst” given a chance to actually reflect upon herself and become better despite how low she could go.

However, I can’t hate how her corruption arc turned out because of how well it was handled. Sometimes, a slowburn reformation can make for an interesting story but something that’s equally valuable can be how not everyone sticks the landing. Be it circumstances or their own undoing, some people will turn back around and decide that bettering themselves isn’t worth it.

Like it or not, Season 2′s finale showed her willing to be a team player yet still be a bit of a glory hog vs-a-vie insisting on her hero name above all else. While a small gag, her forgetting the magic words shows that she’s not exactly has been working on her better nature.

Come Season 3, we get moments from various episodes where she insists to Ladybug on getting in on the action. They’re small moments that can be viewed mostly in any order starting with “Bakerix” having her ask Chat if Queen Bee could get in on this.

With my order on Netflix, “Miracular” showed her already breaking out the Bee Signal when new reporters mentioned Carapace and Rena Rogue. Though Ladybug lays down how this was to be Queen Bee’s last hurrah, we end on Chloe refusing to accept it. Her exact words being, “I will always be Queen Bee.”

After this we get Stormy Weather 2 and StarTrain where she’s hoping to wear down Ladybug. Even with the Horse Miraculous, she was turned down when trying to put her hero on the spot around others. Thus Heart Hunter is the straw that breaks the camel’s back.

This wasn’t out of nowhere nor an arbitrary decision from the writers just because. She had a good heart, yes, but her self-centered nature tipped the scales when Hawk Moth offered her not just her Miraculous but EVERY Miraculous in the box.

My stance has always been to judge a story on its own terms and not necessarily on what it could've been. I may wish this or that happened instead of that or this but that's just a seperate discussion. As such, this narrative of Thomas Astruc hate Chloe or had a vendetta against the character is, well, ridiculous.

The banal reason for it is because he wanted to explore the idea of a character backsliding into bad habits and doubling down. It was nothing personal no matter how some of his tweets may come across. Dude needs to log off though. Take his advice from "Protection."

I like that Chloe was less evil for evil's sake and more just somebody who didn't see the hero life as worth it with her sense of entitlement rearing its ugly head to often. Her evil is more banal compared to Monarch or Mayura yet not the less human like most villains on the show.

Especially as caution against known secondary holders wasn't disregarded until Season 4 when Ladybug got desperate as the new Guardian, falling back on the holders she knew well.

every time.

[generalluxun]

Thanks for the reblog on Chrysididae. I think I may edit and publish it to AO3 later, just gotta make sure I don't start expanding it into an Author tract or the like XD

No pressure to reply to this if you don't want.

(Gosh I had so much to say about her issues communicating & parents but was like, no, Chrysididae is a hero with a job to do and very limited memories, perspective or understanding of Chloe. Focus!)

Though not quite on that front, I do legit muse on how Ladybug & Chat would feel after having that outlined and proven true as far as Gabriel's identity goes t least.

Cos like, I think they'd realize it, especially given he had the spellbook and was 'weird' around Ladybug during Simon Says as well so they technically know have slightly more information than Chrysididae.

I figure Adrien would mostly focus on the civilian side of things and the "Oh god my dad did this" angle. Mostly cos as Chat he didn't ever really put a foot wrong save maybe not being firm enough on getting LB to tell her about not being Queen Bee.

Marinette would focus on the hero side: "If I had not given her X, or if I had given her Y, none of this would have happened." I think the fact the only reason she didn't choose Chloe for Heart Hunter was to break up Adrien & Kagami's date would haunt her.

On one hand, part of me would kind of want a sort of "Can this be fixed?" ending. But I feel it'd not work and be more interesting if that were the case.

Cos like, you know those stories where a villain gets turned back into an infant or another person and the show is like. "Hooray, they have a chance to be better now!"

This is like an inversion of that.

A "Bad" child essentially committed suicide and used herself as raw materials to make a "Good" person (Her idealized self) to replace her. Meaning rather than hoe Chrysididae's entire existence represents the loss of hope and is defined by a life tragically cut short.

Sorry for the ramble, I hope it was interesting.

Very interesting. I have a slightly more hopeful spin, even in this. You see- what defines a person? What defines change?

People say 'just change!' is this now the most extreme case of that? Asking someone to completely rewire who they are on a dime. A whole collection of new thoughts, ideas, and behaviors with access to the memories of the oast, but unaffected by them.

Where does a person 'cease to be' when changing?

If someone is an alcoholic for ten years, then quits. Are they the same person, or is the alcoholic dead? Did the alcoholic kill the person before?

Chrysididae is the person Chloé felt she could not be while carrying everything. Yet, it's still what she desired to be. Is that Chloé? Is it not?

I think it at the very least can be spun more as food for thought than pure tragedy. Though it has tragic elements in any event.

[sassymiraculous]

What would you think if an evilized villain (maybe a wishmaker-like villain or maybe even a villain that's unrelated to the butterfly miraculous) caused Chloe and Zoe to switch bodies somehow, and nobody fully understands what's going on, so Zoe (in Chloe's body) is taken by Audrey back to New York, despite Zoe desperately trying to explain things. But Chloe enters a fugue state (heavily due to trauma caused by the neglect of her parents) and genuinely thinks she's Zoe, and is even able to recall many of the things Zoe did due to being in Zoe's body. The class thinks “Zoe's” change in behavior is due to the psychological effects of method acting, since “Zoe” is playing Chloe in Astruc's new movie, but they gradually convince “Zoe” to let them help her relearn how to be “herself” again. Meanwhile, in New York, Zoe is trying to get back to Paris, but when she gets there, “Zoe” thinks she’s there to try to hurt Marinette.

Eventually, after listening to “Chloe”, Marinette starts to suspect that “Chloe” might be telling the truth, so she decides that she must test “Chloe” and “Zoe”. She fakes being in danger to see how they react. “Zoe” reacts slightly faster than “Chloe”, so Marinette comes to the conclusion that “Chloe” is lying and that “Chloe” has an evil and manipulative plan. Marinette thinks that “Chloe” must have picked up a few tricks from Lila, because she thinks no version of Chloe could possibly react faster than Zoe when it comes to protecting her. So Audrey takes “Zoe” back to New York again to “correct” her after “Zoe” fails to convince anyone of the truth.

10 years later, “Zoe” gets seriously injured after fighting a villain when Ladybug isn’t around, which causes “Zoe” to not have long to live. Then Ladybug accidentally stumbles upon the truth about “Zoe” while trying to help “Zoe” using magical powers. Ladybug decides that the moral thing to do is to switch Chloe and Zoe back to their original bodies. Once Zoe gets her body back, she blames Chloe for her impending death and for leaving her with 10 years of torment, while Chloe got off scot-free. When Lila gets defeated, Zoe steals the Butterfly Miraculous to get her hands on Ladybug and Catnoir’s miraculouses, hoping to “make things right”. Zoe gets defeated by the heroes (including Chloe) and Ladybug manages to cure Zoe’s injuries.

Wow that actually sounds really cool and dramatic. Miraculous DOES have a lot of family drama. But I think that Zoe would end up forgiving her [because she’s the “nice sister” and depending on the injuries.] But even while she was the villain i feel like it could be cool to watch her fight her own sister because she already knows that Chloe is queen bee.I also think they would start wondering WHERE Vesperia was during this because she is the new bee miraculous holder, after all. OR Zoe COULD steal Chloe’s miraculous now that she keeps it,and get “revenge” in doing so.

This also sounds like season 5 after Gabriel’s cataclysm.

But i actually kind of love this idea. It really does give more depth to Chloe and Zoe’s relationship,instead of it being “Zoe is just a knock off Chloe.”

[princess-of-the-corner]

I have interesting question

If (theorically) Marinette's 'goal' in "Heart Hunter" was to separates Kagami and Adrien, and 'indirectly' making Chloe resent her enough that she pacts with Hawkmoth, then why Ladybug didn't give BEE Miraculous to KAGAMI (other than fact that it would (ironically) ruin Hawkmoth's plan to 'recruit' Chloe by using Bee Miraculous as 'bagraining chip')?

Well. It depends on if you believe that Kagami's identity is public knowledge or not because like, clearly, some people think that her and her mom having a Hero vs. Akuma screaming match using real names in a public area while being recorded isn't going to result in her identity being known to anyone except Hawkmoth.

But anyway:

Keep in mind that Heart Hunter is still sympathetic to Chloé, with the 'she's just an evil brat' kicking off in Miracle Queen in a whole flip.

So for HH:

If a new Bee Hero had shown up, then yes Chloé would be sad. But while she was still offering herself to help Ladybug, she had accepted the possibility that she'd never get the Bee back. It would hurt, but it's not a gutpunch that leaves her as vulnerable to Hawkmoth.

However: If she had accepted the 'you revealed your identity, you can't be a Hero again' thing, and then watched as Ladybug didn't enforce that rule on the only other Hero who had revealed their identity to the public..... It makes her feel singled out and lied to.

Now, as for 'why didn't Marinette choose to give Kagami the Bee or just any other Miraculous?'.

In a Doyalist sense, then you needed the above to happen. And/or character models are expensive so making a new Hero was out of budget I guess.

In a Watsonian sense: Marinette likely didn't think as much about the whole situation as it was a heat of the moment choice when she realized she could break up Kagami and Adrien. She wasn't thinking about how seeing her break the rule for Kagami would hurt Chloé and had no idea that Hawkmoth was waiting to swoop in and take advantage of the situation. She wasn't thinking of how shitty it is for her to abuse her power to ruin her FRIEND'S chances with a boy she likes. Her only thought was 'this is a convenient excuse to get Kagami away from Adrien!', so she grabbed the Miraculous that Kagami had already used.

[egg-crusher]

Alright time to talk because this is something I can’t say in simple words without bringing unwanted attention

Short answer:yes

Long answer:is a show with great ideas, good use of tropes and interesting visuals

The visual parts is about things like the designs, the sequences inspired by anime with the usual beats used to recycle animation (Hawkmoth sends his akuma and convinces his victim/introduces the villain of the week with a speech, the heroes transform to save the day, use their powers, miraculous ladybug and everything is fixed)

Theres some great designs like chat noir, hawkmoth, lady Wi-Fi, stormy weather, ladybug’s other design, Volpina, Rena rouge, Shady bug and Queen bee

There’s some bad like heart hunter, bubbler, Gigatitan, simple man, miraculer, miracle queen, Lolipop monster, Mega leech, Party crasher, the original ladybug design (I hate how her costume looks nothing like a ladybug outside of the dots, and ladybug’s are only supposed to have 5!) claw noir and Silencer

I personally prefer the 2D designs, ladybug with that gold belt at least added something and I really liked those really long twin tails and ribbons and made designs like mister pigeon which come out as only decent 3D come out as very charming in 2D

But the best part as to be the concept

Couple of heroes are in love but the girl loves the alter ego of the hero and the hero loves the super hero persona of the girl

Meanwhile the villain is the father of the hero who’s trying to bring back his wife aka the mother of the hero from the death

Does it sound amazing? Because it sounds amazing

The problem is when they tried to stretch this for 5 seasons and refused to change anything outside of the bare minimum

Girl will always love the hero’s alter ego even if that’s not how he wants to be and hero will always love the girls secret identity even if that’s not who she wants to be

Marinette sees Adrien as a cute boy and Cat sees ladybug like a way out of his strict home life, and they never fully grow out of it and it only keeps getting worse

He gets jealous and does stupid things like saying they’re a couple, she breaks into his house, he keeps flirting despite her telling him not to do it, she steals his phone, he constantly shows being a hero is just a game to him, she sniffs his pillow, he only gets interested in another girl because it reminds her of ladybug

Marinette wants a normal life and Adrien wants to be free, they both see their respective pairing (Adrien, ladybug) as a means to get that kind of life which just gets worse through the seasons

And the show refusal of change just makes things worse for all characters

Master Fu stupid rule of “no reveal” makes him seem like a bad teacher who teaches nothing (outside of giving miraculous and the special costumes he did nothing)

Gabriel should have thought of his life choices after discovering who cat is but since the plot needs to move he’s suddenly happy to get Adrien hurt to win, now he went from a tragic father villain to someone pathetic and inconsistent

The class should have learned to don’t trust Lila? They do it again and come out as jerks creating 1000374920483930 salt fics about them sucking

And Chloe… oh Chloe…

You had a awful mother and for half a season after giving up your miraculous you did no evil and then suddenly in stormy weather 2 she’s a bully again, we had some actual change and she becomes evil again and she’s turn 10 times more evil and her father disowns her and sends her with her abusive mother while he adopts her half sister which came out of nowhere

The show keeps adding things like kagami, Zoe and Luka but outside of their debut episode most don’t have much development

Lila is the worse manipulator I’ve seen in fiction since his lies suck and she as failed to manipulate anyone, SVTFOE which is still worse had a 100 times better manipulator kind of villain in Toffee, too bad Lila is the new Hawkmoth since it means everyone will get character assassinated again so they will believe her lies

There’s Characters like kagami and Juleka which I love to watch since they have development but there’s flaws like Juleka having to learn to be assertive or not self loath for 10th time or Kagami dating Felix

Felix tried to ruin Adrien’s social life and teamed up with Hawkmoth on his debut, then he’s suddenly a good guy looking out for Adrien, gives the miraculous to Gabriel, betrays ladybug, and attempts to destroy humanity, which is everything Chloe did plus attempted destruction of humanity but worse since he actually succeeded/almost succeeded all the time

Yet kagami for some reason dates him

Then it had one of the worst end of arc I’ve ever seen in any media, recreation sucks.

Is a show you completely love overlooking its flaws or hate for how it refuses to change

The fandom keeps the show alive and I sometimes hate being insulted for criticizing the show, I have abandoned the fandom for a long time since shipping isn’t my thing and the way the fandom gets gaslighted by the show (Marinette retconed Pool trauma) sucks and makes me want to leave

Which I did

I liked the movie since it felt like it was there to fix the mistakes of the show, but since it’s a movie there’s not much it can do

So let’s wait for a reboot because while I do love some things of the show in the past, at this point I’m just tired of it

Ciao