#i got some shippers mad by saying it lmao anyways-

[bunnywithin]

clive and joshua who came to love jill as a sister ;(

[dukeofdelirium]

I recently got into ATLA again and the fandom is so strange I never expected a show as heartfelt as this to have so much beef inside its fanbase. I'm used to fandom toxicity and discourse- it's a part of every fandom, but a lot if stuff here just seems like ppl making up issues to get mad at. I rly feel like I'm in a diff world bc I loved this show and watched it so many times over the years ever since I was a preteen and never in my life would I have expecteded Aang of all characters to be so hated. Ppl calling him a niceguy incel misogynist is like?? Did we watch the same show ??? He's just a lil guy. I can't believe ppl hate him. It's very disorienting as someone who loved this series for years but never engaged or knew what the fandom was like till now. Huge whiplash!

Oh yeah this fandom is insane lmao. It’s true that every fandom has people like this in it, but some fandoms take toxicity to a new level. I’d say ATLA and Stranger Things are probably the worst fandoms I’ve ever been in lol. That’s why I filter tags on here. I mean, most of the ATLA fandom isn’t rlly that bad tbh, it’s just the crazy zutarians who have the most unwashed ass takes that kind of ruin it for everyone. Stranger Things has the same problem with Milevens. I think it boils down to ships and ppl being incapable of like… abiding by ship and let ship. They can’t just enjoy their pairing, they have to have the most wild takes and harass people. I mean hell, when s4 of ST dropped, I was getting around 30-50 mileven stan anons a DAY! They were harassing my blog bc I had made like 3 posts about s4 and how I shipped Byler. Then all a sudden they’re screen recording my blog and making posts about me on Twitter??? LMAO! I didn’t even RUN a stranger things blog, mind you. I had only made a few posts at the time. But here they were, obsessing over my blog bc I shipped something that wasn’t mileven and they were sending me hate anons calling me homophobic slurs and shit, then we (byler shippers) also all started getting harassed by a homophobic christian 😭😭😭😭

The zutara shippers have sent some anon hate my way too on here, but not as severe as Milevens did back when s4 dropped. But apparently there’s zeeks who are obsessed with me too and are trying to track my IP 😂 supposedly I’m a “well known” kataang shipper so this gives them justification to try and doxx lmao. I mean good luck to them, I have online security soooooo. Anyway shits wild bestie

[darlin-djarin]

What are your thoughts on Luke Skywalker’s love interests in Legends (Mara Jade, Callista, etc.) versus his fanon love interests in Disney canon (Din Djarin, Ezra Bridger, etc.)? How do you think Luke is viewed differently, and how would the fanon Disney love interests be treated if they were canon? (I should also be working on an art piece rn but I was thinking about this.)

okay so i don't really know anything about legends, i only pull references or lore from it when i need it, so i don't really know much about mara or anyone else. i've seen a ton of maraluke content, and a lot of it is really nice actually. the art is cute and i have many mutuals who ship them. idk if i actually ship them, because again, idk who mara really is, but i don't mind the ship much. idk who callista is, but i like the name. anyway, fanon love interests in disney canon are pretty good. i personally adore dinluke (the fandom... is another story) and i endorse every other luke ship out there. i don't really care who he gets shipped with, i'm just going along with the vibe. i guess i really enjoy that disney canon never gave him a love interest, because that leaves a lot of fans to do with that as they please. i do like the aroace luke headcanon too, and i do like ideas of him being in a qpr with whoever. i think since more people are familiar with disney canon luke, they characterize him to be a bit more feminine and make him more of a "sub gay sunshine twink" (cries and sobs and vomits and wails and screeches and-) so i do tread a bit more carefully with the gay or queer ships luke is in. i don't really see luke getting shipped with any women outside of mara (which makes sense because this guy never interacts with women in the first place), which is kinda unfortunate, but understandable.

i guess in the end, i'm not actually a big shipper. while i do dabble with ships here and there, i'm not really directly into just shipping, so i don't try to interact with shipping fandoms unless i really enjoy a specific ship. i think that a lot of the world would be really enraged if luke got an actual canonical love interest. it's just something that a lot of people would be mad about. and introducing an actor to play a love interest for luke is sure to get some of the most vile hate out there, especially if they're a poc (or a woman. or both). so while the idea of luke getting a love interest, whether it be already a fanon ship like dinluke or skybridger or skyrissian, or another new character brought in from legends, is cool and all, i think bringing fanon into canon wouldn't end well, and it'd be better off to just leave things as they are. ofc there's always the opportunity to explore character relationships with luke in an interesting and dynamical way. romance doesn't need to be a thing in the story for the story to be actually told.

that being said, i just don't really see luke ever getting into a relationship in canon. i'd say it'd be interesting to see him with a love interest, but i know that if that actually happens, i'd probably be mad about it too lmao. i'm just very keen on keeping things the way they are already.

thank you for asking

[cloudbells]

How about 7, 8, and 16 for the grievances ask game?

Thank you for the ask! The game is here!

7) Without naming names what's something you've come across in a fic that made you genuinely uncomfortable/angry.

I happen to have a few answers to this, but I'll just list the first one that came to mind! Gonna be as vague as possible.

There was this one poly fic that I loooooovvvvveeeeeeeedddddd reading. Like when I say I was seated everyday, for every available hour, reading this fic. I MEAN it. Steve was the addition to the ship, I won't say the other two because it's a bit more identifiable. Anyways, the ship was great, the development of the characters was enjoyable and included some interesting headcanons for the other two in the ship that I haven't considered. And it seemed like the author was spending a certain amount of chapters per character to explore their psyche a bit more, yeah? So I was sitting around and waiting for Steve's turn.

When I tell you, I got a migraine from the amount of anger and frustration I experienced when we finally got to Steve's section. Like I'm getting a headache right now as I'm typing this because it irritates me so bad. They dropped the fucking ball SO hard, there's probably a new ground zero directly below their keyboard or something. I can't say exactly what happened because I think it might be too on the nose, but let's just say it has to do with Bucky. God, I was so angry. I still have them muted on ao3 to this day😭I had such a strong emotional reaction because I LOVED the fic and I ADORED the pairing so much! It's not super common of me to be all in like that. I learned my lesson! If you wanna know what it was, feel free to DM me though - I wish I could give more details, but I just don't wanna put anyone on blast in public.

Despite all this, I still finished the fic though. #NOTAQUITTER

The amount of Steve poly fics that have caused me to almost burst a blood vessel is about 3, but that's 3 too many. I'm fragile.

8) What kind of content tends to cross your dash that you dislike the most?

This happens a lot more on my main, but I do not care about antishippers as much as everyone else seems to. I just genuinely cannot muster up any kind of genuine upsetness that other people on my side of the fandom has. And I admit, I do get annoyed seeing people go blue in the face cause someone said a ship or kink or trope is nasty or whatever - I don't care! But I don't talk about it much because I don't want to hurt people's feelings who do care. I recognize that insults and shaming like that slides right off of me in a way it doesn't other people and well, I don't like to speak on things I can't sympathize with. It would be way too easy for my tone to come off as mean and I don't want that!

16) Name a canonical aspect of [insert 2 or more characters]'s relationship that you think is problematic/not mentioned enough.

I don't know who to talk about hm. I keep coming back to this question and for some reason I'm drawing a blank?? Trying to think about things I haven't complained about before. Damn, I talk too much LMAO.

I mean, I mentioned the thing about Tony and Pepper on discord before, but I don't consider it bad. In fact, I like this aspect of their relationship (I am a Pepperony shipper :>). But the way people get mad at Pepper for...whatever they get mad at Pepper for when the amount of stress she's put through in that relationship, specifically IM3 is ridiculous. Now, I like IM3. I know a lot of people hate it, but I like it for various reasons. And I have to say, I genuinely would not have blamed her if she noped out the second Tony told a terrorist coming to kill him where they lived 😭But she's a resilient woman and stuck beside her man iktr!

The answer I gave this feels lackluster so feel free to trade in another or choose a specific ship. Sorry!! <3

[naneun-no]

done with your sarcasm?? Lol. You wrote the whole ass sarcasm para but still didn't give an answer to my actual question. Are you trying to hide behind your sarcasm bcz you don't have any logical answer??? Poor you shippers.

Lol, anon, I want you to know I’m genuinely smiling right now. Like if we were in person I’d be giggling and I would hope you would unclench and giggle with me.

NO, I’m not hiding behind my sarcasm because I’m scared of your flawless logic. I’m using sarcasm because I’m amazing at it and it would be a shame to let that kind of talent go to waste. Look at that last answer, even you gotta admit I got you pretty good. *nudges with elbow* Eh, eh?? I mean you probably don’t ACTUALLY kick down children’s sandcastles but that’s the equivalent here, right?

Some other people and myself were being harmlessly endeared by Jungkook remembering his trip with Jimin (and no he didn’t like lose his shit in starry-eyed remembrance; we all watched the same thing - he had a moment of recognition at the very start of the song and it reminded him of a trip he took with Jimin in 2017. I don’t remember describing it as anything else?). It was a sweet moment; and he didn’t rush off to talk about whiskey, lmao, he moved on because there was nothing else to say. And then you stormed in all mad demanding that we accept that their closeness has evaporated because…? I’m honestly not sure why.

And that was my point: why do you care so much? Cause read it again; I wasn’t sarcastic the whole time. I was being 100% truthful about the insignificance of “winning” this debate.

I had to go back and see what your actual “question” even was (cause let’s be real you didn’t come to have a conversation you came to rain on someone else’s parade and kick down their proverbial sandcastle which is maybe an urge that you should journal about or something cause it’s kind of revealing), so here’s the only part of your ask that could be considered a question:

“Come on accept it already....he even said that jimin told him once in a group chat not to drink and do live...so a boyfriend needs a group chat to tell his partner something?? Why bcz his boyfriend never replies in private chats or calls?? Lol..How many signs do you shippers need??? Stop embarrassing yourselves.”

Um…breezing right past the irony that you actually called out MY sarcasm….wait. Do you know what sarcasm is?

Anyways.

Here is my answer: no, a boyfriend doesn’t need a group chat to tell his partner something.

Was that good enough, or?

[katyspersonal]

3, 4, 6 for some VIOLENCE please

Yeah don't worry, I always default to Bloodborne when not specificed, it is my main qualification in the series after all! (Ask from this ( x ) meme)

3) screenshot or description of the worst take you've seen on tumblr

They're kind of becoming a blur, and usually come down to the same complains and topics, but one of them particularly stood out! Granted I should not have been exposed to it because OP blocked me over that time I talked back at a Gehrman-hater that went as far as bullying other fans (oh how rude of me... :/ ) , but I have been anyway because a new mutual shown it to me over featuring "theory that Fauxsefka got pregnant like Arianna is MiSoGyNiStIc uwu" bit because they wanted and explanation!

Basically, a lot of bashing Bloodborne as misogynistic piece of garbage for featuring themes of motherhood, portraying motherhood as a good thing, something about how it was a bad thing that "even" Maria ended up having compassionate side and that "we as fans had the power to change that", Fauxsefka bit I've mentioned and so on. Ending with the "well but don't think that I dislike Bloodborne, it is still one of my favourite games" that gave me severe abusive talk vibe for some reason. "Yes you are so ugly and stupid and useless but don't worry, I love and accept you and will fix you :3".

Like... it requires a whole separate essay to disagree with that logic, but that is not even relevant! Because even under assumption that Miyazaki is a misogynistic freak for putting emphasis on themes of motherhood in his work, I absolutely abhor the logic of "We as a fandom have the power to disrespect the author's intention (that I made up btw because I am eager for reasons to be mad) and make our own ecosystem of headcanons and interpretations that is better". Of course not everyone will accept the creation unconditionally, especially if it has problems or bigotry, but that is on them, and making it a problem of the fandom is just terrible! Spreading that attitude creates that clique/fandom leaders dynamic, which brings me DIRECTLY to one of the questions, so I'll skip ahead:

6) which ship fans are the most annoying?

Mariadeline fans.

^ Lmao ya'll probably fsdgsdf But it is not just because of how they generally treat characters or other fans, but even how they treat other Mariadeline shippers! I've noticed that whenever there is a Mariadeline shipper who is very nice, level-headed and quiet, a type to 'just enjoy their thing', they get obnoxiously neglected.

Look, I WANT to give it benefit of the doubt and say that maybe it is coincidental, but it doesn't seem like it. Mariadeline shippers are a clique of very popular artists and writers that always support each other's creativity and instantly pull in new Mariadeline shippers into a hug, regardless of art skill. ....EXCEPT for the times when the fellow fan doesn't constantly bitch about "wrong" interpretations of Maria or Adeline, doesn't start Maria's masculinity disco horse every other weak, doesn't put a focus on how Adeline had no agency over her choices and was 'groomed' (even though everyone already knows that 'grooming' of Blood Saints was a translational mistake but okay fine), doesn't portray is as perfect lovely cottage core fluff while only faking the possible problem(atic moments), doesn't-

Like, it can only happen so many times before I start to see the trend of the "leaders"/chosen spokespeople/whatever conveniently excluding fans who sees the characters and the ship the "wrong" way. They've decided that this dynamic can only work like this and the characters in it can only be like this, and any varied take is not celebrated as refreshing with the novelty but passively-aggressively side-eyed as disturbance of their peace of rinsing the same exact thing over and over for years, unaltered. Heck, not even novel takes. Novel approach of the person. I swear, they GOTTA be side-eyeing fellow fans that don't constantly start discourse, because why else the 'chill' Mariadeline fans are left in the dust? It feels like hatred is the part of the requirement for the clique, the 'cool kids' and only those they've 'blessed' with their approval, and this ship never SHOULD have gotten into claws of the clique in the first place!

In other words, making the groups of 'cool kids' to look up to is one way to ruin a dynamic/ship for everyone else, and ruin fandoms in general. Like, one of my mutuals ended up disliking the ship because of its prevalent association with the most toxic fans, and I kinda helped them to like it again, on their own terms and with their own (based) headcanons! The illusion of "supportive wholesome community" falls at the seams here and there if you just stand aside and watch for 2 minutes, and how this ship is supported and perpetuated is one of the biggest examples.

4) what was the last straw that made you finally block that annoying person?

To be honest, it is ridiculously hard to make me block someone. Usually people whose stuff I don't really want to see coincidentally block me first because, again, there is always a big chance that I pick a very strong language to disagree, so the problem solves itself! Even when I do block someone, in 90% I unblock later for this or that reason!

But yeah, there were a couple of exceptions. Only one of them qualifies as 'annoying' to begin with, though 'petty, smug and insecure in the worst way' fits more? They already gave me enough signs of the mean girl (gender neutral!), and what really sealed it was when they acted as though I grossly disrespected them over pointing out a piece of dialogue from the canon when in NO way I was rude or Redditor brand of condescending. Even told me that I "baited" them. They didn't block me, but I blocked them. Not instantly, but the next time I saw their art on my dashboard. The thing is, earlier during that mess of a "conversation" they've admitted on not actually caring about Bloodborne lore but just collecting prompts from it to create their own thing. It just changed my perception of their creativity and it felt empty all of a sudden, like just a lot of glitter and lights without any actual substance within. I can be unhappy with someone while still liking their creativity, but I decided it was better to not invest any admiration for works that had no real care and passion for the source material within. Normally when I realise the gap between me and another fan's level of investment I simply don't follow, but they were frequient presence on the dashboard, so..

[having-conniptions]

This was supposed to be a "highlights from 911 7x04" post but, uh, yeah. Read for yourself.

Obviously, masssssssive spoilers below the cut

Chimney fanboying over Joey

Buck falling over himself trying to get Eddie's attention lmao he reminds me of a bird doing weird intricate mating dances

"So I'm your basketball beard" CHIM I LOVE YOU

The song that's playing while they're playing bball??? That's going on my playlist for sure

"Well, you bucked that up, didn't you?" Mr. Howard Han you are a treasure (also can we make "bucked it up" a saying? As in fucked something up in typical Buck fashion by trying too hard and achieving the exact opposite of your goal?)

"I'm not a 14 year old girl" "So stop acting like one"

"There's no bad blood" "Evan" TOMMY PLEASE I'M GONNA END UP SHIPPING YOU GUYS IF YOU DON'T STOP CALLING HIM THAT

TOMMY TELLING BUCK HOW MUCH CHRISTOPHER LOVES HIM AND THAT EDDIE ISN'T MAD AT HIM AAAAA

BUCK BEING VULNERABLE AND ADMITTING THAT HE WAS JEALOUS OHMYGOD LET'S GO BUDDIE

Tommy wanting to be a part of the 118 family I'M GONNA CRY

why are they standing so close WHY ARE THEY STANDING SO CLOSE WHY IS BUCK FLIRTING WITH TOMMY WHY IS TOMMY FLIRTING BACK HELP

"Cause trying to get your attention has been pretty exhausting" is the "reveal" line that's written to make your stomach drop and that's exactly what it did for me. BUCK WAS TRYING TO GET TOMMY'S ATTENTION??????? THE LOOK IN HIS EYES LIKE HE'S ABOUT TO SMOOCH HIM???????????? HEEEEEEEEELP

I PAUSED RIGHT WHEN TOMMY KISSED BUCK I AM SCREEEAAAMINGGGGGG THE FINGERS ON HIS CHIN?????? THE WAY THEY SET UP THE TENSION IN THIS SCENE WITH THE CLOSENESS AND TOMMY'S GAZE FLICKING TO BUCK'S LIPS A FEW SECONDS EARLIER AND BUCK'S SMILE OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD BI BUCK BI BUCK BI BUCK AAAAAAAAAAAAA

THIS IS LIKE WHEN DESTIEL WENT CANON BUT BETTER

THEY'RE SETTING THINGS UP FOR BUDDIE Buck is gonna be with Tommy for a bit & then at some point it's not gonna work out anymore and then Eddie is gonna be RIGHT THERE and hopefully single and BOOM that's how wie get Buddie

Good things happen in kitchens.

"It was better than fake mouth static" OH BUCK MY SWEET CHILD

"I got a shift" NOOOO I WANTED THEM TO MAKE OUT NOOO

"I am free." THE DOUBLE MEANING BUCK IS LITERALLY FREE NOW HOLY SHIT BI BUCK BI BUCK BI BUCK

Buck being too stunned to speak aaaaa

Also the fact that thanks to this episode my phone has started autocorrecting "Buck" to "BUCK" lmaoooo

Guysguysguysguys that scene was sooooo good I am livingggggg

As someone who's been a shipper for a long time and now mostly watches BL bc I was so frustrated with even the most popular ships never becoming canon, I finally know what vindication feels like. I mean, we don't have canon Buddie yet, but we just saw Buck kissing a man on screen. So there's literally no reason why they can't make Buddie canon. The biggest hurdle ("omg how will the general audience react to a mlm main character??") has been JUMPED with UTMOST GRACE and I am LIVINGGGGGG

Soooo yeah that definitely did not devolve into deranged screaming, huh? Anyways, my brain is going brrrrrrrr right now so don't talk to me unless it's about Buck

[lindszeppelin]

okay so yesterday the twitter hive got into a frenzy over V posting *checks notes* ...for posting.... *double checks notes from confusion* .....darla the dog that Austin left with her when he went to go film for Elvis.

no but fr they're heated over it. they are also assuming she was shading him with a post she reposted to her story about not giving things energy but like..that literally could be nothing but a regular post. ppl were saying things like "she never deserved him" and just really being whiny little bitches about it. personally, i don't really like V but saying something like that about a relationship you weren't in and know actually nothing about is wild, no!? it's giving unhealthy levels of parasocial relationship. they don't even like her— how did anyone see her STORY? when i thought to try and offer a different perspective i just figured it was for nought bc it doesn't seem like any of them would listen to reason. i don't give a shit she still has the dog...clearly he doesn't care. shouldn't they be more mad at that then anything? "it was his MOTHERS dog!!1!!11" yeah and they were together for a decade, i'm sure he just thinks Darla was in better hands with V🤷🏽‍♀️, especially once he started doing the press tour/award campaign run for Elvis–he was barely home ever! i don't get the anger, it's petty and misplaced and immature and (maybe even naive?) to think she's(V) evil or some sort of horrible person for this one act. let me reiterate: they were together for a decade!!! im sure after his mother passed they took care of the dog together for the majority of their relationship so in my eyes, Darla is as every bit Austin's as she is V's.

and it's very obvious they are ASSUMING she was shading him rather than idk looking the other way(or never looking in her direction in the first place bc they do not like her anyway so why disrupt your own peace and happiness for THIS?) and pretending like she doesn't exist. or simply being levelheaded and logically thinking. i have to routinely pull myself back farther away from fandoms in general bc honestly i've never really been too deep into them for this exact reason— ppl just get a tad bit too creepy and weird for me. and this moment is making me wanna leave entirely..it's almost making want to like her again too out of spite for those ppl(almost, babes, almost lmao). it's just...icky to me is all. anyway, all this to say: thoughts? lol.

i don't like vanessa for many reasons, but the shippers will always think that she's shading him for no reason. this bitch is married, like...she has MOVED ON from austin in all kinds of regards. and like i said before, people will interpret things in their own personal way and that can be a curse. from my perspective, that quote vanessa shared TO ME read as "okay guys hang it up, i have moved on and everything is okay. let's just move on from this narrative".

also idk about the discourse surrounding darla and stuff but listen, if austin was perfectly fine leaving darla with vanessa after all this time then cool. he trusts her with his mother's dog. i mean clearly vanessa loves darla and i see the pics she posts with darla. cole seems to be a good surrogate dog dad to darla too from what i can tell. so...there is no problem here.

[angelhummel]

We talking about Kurt now? I'd like to point out something curious lol, don't know the purpose but I find it interesting, so, lately on my Facebook I've seen a lot of Kurt/Chris hate posts, and I mean like almost every glee page, calling him mostly envious of Lea, and rude, and the same with Kurt, whereas Lea is really praised and excused with 'yeah but she apologized', I myself I'm no Lea hater, I really like her, she's so talented and I believe she deserves everything she's getting, but I also know that if I met her in real life I'd probably wouldn't be friends with her, anyway so this is in Facebook latin america mostly, now off to tumblr where I assume I mostly follow exterior people idk, it's totally the opposite, of course it might also have to do with the accounts I follow, but I also see the tags of accounts I don't follow, and I've found this pattern of just general fondness or love for Kurt/Chris, and hate for Lea, so now neither seems to be my safe place, go into Facebook see Kurt/Chris/Klaine hate (whatever happened to the Klaine shippers? :c ), go into tumblr see Lea hate, of course there's the tag blocking or whatever but Idk for some reason I keep finding those lol

lmao yeah guarantee that no matter how hard you try to block shit you dont wanna see, its still gonna come thru

also wow, facebook sounds like a wasteland for the glee fandom askfjsdl i didnt know that was still a thing. truthfully i didnt know anyone was still active on there. but also like glee tumblr is barely tolerable for me (lots of curating and blocking, as we said) but its the only place i have. and everything people have told me about tiktok or twitter or reddit sounds sooooo much worse. so im thankful its as good as it is here. or at least on here it's easier to avoid the shitty takes you dont wanna see :P

and like yeahhh obviously i understand why people wouldnt like lea but at this point its like. just shut up about it, y'know?? it's so not worth it to keep getting mad over whatever she does. sorry if it sounds rude but at this point ive lost all interest in the cast outside of the show. happy for whatever projects they've got going buuut that's about it

(not saying anything bad if you still follow them but anyone who IS following them just to be assholes are sooo annoying like let it go and talk about anything else alsjfklsd)

[falinscloaca]

absolutely fucking hilarious to me (aka i'm actually no joke mad whenever i think about it) that a "maligned" yuri bracket that as the creator admits started about lesser known or disliked femslash just about IMMEDIATELY derailed as soon as the creator allowed leniency for "oh well a lot of people seem under the impression that something is 'maligned' (synonyms: vilified, slandered, infamous) if its UNIVERSALLY FUCKING BELOVED by the fandom but the story itself gets in the way of it for reasons ranging from "author is a dipshit" (perhaps a valid reason to consider it maligned) to "its a fucking tragedy and the fact they can't just live happily is MEANT TO BE SEEN AS FUCKING SAD *YOU ARE THE DIPSHIT HERE*" so like, all these polls are just popularity anyway so who can say if "most popular out of a succession of lesser-known, shitty, not-shitty-but-people-act-like-it-is, etc" is any more meaningful than "literally just the most popular ship we put on the bracket. like you could've answered this without even doing the polls just go over the initial bracket and choose the most dedicated fanbase and extrapolate"" and now its just a succession of Farcille sweeping every single matchup despite the fact that i've never met a single fucking person worth caring about who actually dislikes it. like i assume the pervs who just write the usual isekai monster x innocent girl "fanart" (...did they even read it...?????? i kinda feel like they got maybe 2 volumes in lmao. fake fans) don't really care for it but who gives a shit about them they should die. its not unpopular in the slightest aside from *probably* i assume overexposure or the one sad little laios x marcille shipper sitting in the corner who doesn't simultaneously also ship farcille in that kinda wierd freudian-isn't-the-right-word way that makes my stomach churn. FUCK THESE SENTENCES BRO WHY DO I WRITE LIKETHIS ok i wrote ahead but didn't address a point bc i my skull turned off but- Farcille doesn't even get like, morality discoursed much??? Like theres always those ships out there which are popular but get picked apart for potential patterns of abuse or unhealthy behavior or if you *think* about it Adora and Catra were both raised by the same (nonconsentually adoptive) parental figure which can make it incest Which Is An Argument That I Struggle With Completely Disregarding Because Of The Subset Of Incest Shippers That Do In Fact Take It That Way (But As A Positive), y'know. that kinda shit. Not even getting into the cases where a ship is more unambiguously fucking bad on a morality standpoint fandom popular or not. I could use this opportunity to soapbox but I won't.

hell even some of the contestants that actually have some leg to stand on are still an ill fit - kyosaya is from Madoka, which means that while fans can feel whatever way they please there Is a certain malicious element to their existence which isn't just excusable as "part of the tragedy/conflict", but its STILL one of the two "heavy hitter" ships outta the original series's fanbase (i don't know dick all about magia record). HELL madohomu at least gets the "is there discourse about it being dysfunctional/abusive/one-or-the-other-involved-painted-as-a-predator" treatment, despite being like... THE relationship the series itself fucking circles around. idk maybe madohomu was in there and i didn't notice. still wouldn't really fit though (maybe back in 2014....)

anyways delia x jessie would belong on there more than like 90% of the bracket just for the "they're basically canon" sweep-kerfuffle (if they WERE in this bracket. lol lmao that'd be hilarious actually wonder who they lost to)

[honeymouthedtales]

by someone less problematic are we talking about Jn? something about him is a lot like dh (not self depreciating or insecure or kinda dumb - sorry not sorry dh). but rather in the sense that he's silly and if jmn so much as turned his way he would be giggling and making a fool of himself. (or maybe i misunderstood how you wanted to portray iotol jn?). but since we're confessing our controversial opinions I'd like to admit that I too, am i jaemwon shipper. Sue me🤷‍♀️. they were very cute before shit popped off. i also got the sense that chaewon is just a little jelly and deals with a bit of invisibility in a family of boys (please don't let me have forgotten some little sister) and her boyfriend (someone that was "supposed" to be for her only) kissed her brother (who's getting all the attention lately if not HAS been getting all the attention from the start.

With love,

an iotol jaemwon shipper

i'm going to publish your other two asks before i reply:

jaepropaganda asked:

naur naur NOUR! because when we actually analyse this situation! we've already established the fact that chwn kinda lived in dh's shadow (if not all the other boys). like you would think being the only girl (my goodness i really hope im not forgetting some little sister) would kinda make her the princess or whatever of the family. But looking back on the first couple of chapters she highkey fades into the background. Yes, we talk about her, and yes dh thinks she could be perfect for mark and kinda would like for mk to be with her (shtewpid boy!!!) if only mark gets to be part of the family (like tf😑) the fact that mk doesn't even see chwn like that and doesn't really regard her other than being the love of his life's little sister very much puts her on the side. for goodness sake mk prolly tutors chwn just to get a glimpse of his best friend (he's so pathetic lmao😭).

[1/2 coz im shy about how long this is getting🫣]

jaepropaganda asked:

[2/2] I kind of get it. her animosity. jmn refusing to stop seeing dh was kind of a slap in the face. idk if this has to do with jmn's dck weighing his brain down too much for him to think things through or just general teenage inadequacy but (and i get that you can't really control your boyfriend like that) (and also yeah, I guess good on him for choosing to leave bla bla choose yourself king🙄) imagine your boyfriend kisses your brother who steals the show (ik very unfair considering dh didn't choose this) and then says "Nah, I don't feel like not seeing him anymore". The insecurity, she already feels really inadequate, and now her boyfriend refuses to give her the reassurance that something like that wouldn't happen again. Coz obvi it wasn't Jaemin's choice. But she's probably thinking about this happening again (even if it would be an accident) and her not getting to be mad about it coz everything's fcked and still live with the feeling she's kinda sharing her boyfriend like she shares the attention in her family (look at me, once again doing a trauma analysis for one of your characters 🧍🏾‍♀️). Idk, I feel we need to apologize to chwn. Her and dh are siblings and yes her treatment of him sucks ass and she should apologize profusely and make amends but damn even her parents think she should get over it, and they prolly contribute to her feelings being misunderstood and overshadowed. When you think about the aftermath of everything she might feel like in the end everyone chose dh's feelings over hers and I'm sorry now I'm emo about it ☹️

You're very right in many of the things you said. chwn has many complicated feelings that stem from the fact that she's no one's priority in the family. Her little brothers are close in age and they're Alphas so they generally bond with each other and also they're younger so she doesn't want to play with them anyway. And also they probably look up to dh more because he's a boy, even if he's an Omega, while she's the stereotypical girl who likes girl things and makeup and boys, you know?

Generally in that family her role should be 'the only girl' and normally the only girl is a little spoiled, but her parents have always paid attention to dh because they didn't want him to think he was lacking something for being a male Omega, which means she was never the center of attention as the only daughter. Plus, dh is like very academically gifted, which she isn't, so he always outstaged her in that field too. So what did she do? She turned to the things that made her stand out from her brothers, as in being pretty and dating boys. Except even in that dh literally stole her thunder because she's a Beta and he's an Omega so even if guys are het they would still be attracted to him on a physical level. This was even before what happened with jmn. chwn has had a crush on mrk and has realized quite early on that she never stood a chance, but what happened with jmn was the last she could stand.

Still, I do believe the way she's behaving is quite wrong. The reason dh is always at the center of attention is that he leaves in a society where he's heavily discriminated and always made feel like he was wrong. His parents tried to overcompensate by supporting him completely, and even then they couldn't totally keep him safe because as you know he still developed a lot of self-esteem issues and internalized shame. Plus, no matter how we look at it, dh is an Omega who will never be able to have children. It might not affect his life too much but it's still a disability and something he'll have to live with for the rest of his life. Is it fair to chwn that she has to suck it up just because her brother was born like this? Nope, but at the end of the day if we put their problems on a scale, is having Donghyuck as a brother really a problem for her? Her parents are not really neglecting her, she's not forbidden from pursuing her passions, she has no less opportunities than any of her brothers to do everything she wants. The reason she's throwing a tantrum is basically because she's not in the spotlight the way she wants, but I'd say it's not that grave of an issue when dh has to deal with both mental and physical health problems, having to take medicines to keep his hormones in control, having a bad reputation because he sleeps around, knowing it'll be hard for him to find a mate since he cannot provide a family, and on top of that his sister slutshames him both in front and at his back. Like, grow up? At this point it's not that people like her brother more because he's an Omega, but because she's childish and a little bit of an attention-grabber, and there's nothing wrong with wanting attention, but it's a problem when you hate other people for supposedly outstaging you.

As for what happened with jmn, that was the best thing he could do. You're right, he could've coddled up to her and assured it wasn't going to happen again, but the fact that she wanted to dictate who he was seeing was wrong. The fact that she pulled a me or him was wrong. Jmn didn't break up with her because he prefers her brother, but because if he had given up on this he would've rewarded a honestly fucked up, controlling, and toxic behavior, and that's no way to be in a relationship. Chwn needs to let go of her insecurity in order to be someone who can be happy and who can make other people happy, but jmn is not her therapist and he should not be the only one shouldering her trauma. He would have, tbh. He would've stayed and he would've helped her, but she was the one who said we do it my way or not at all, and if that's the premise all the love in the world wouldn't make things work, let alone a few months old relationship between teenagers.

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If you wished to elaborate, I'm quite curious about your controversial she-ra opinions 👀

I just wasn’t a huge fan of season 5 - I feel like it had potential but faltered for me. It seemed like all the characters they had chipped outside of Catra were done solely to avoid writing interactions between them all. We didn’t get a big Scorpia and catra talk, we didn’t get as much mermista + seahawk as I’d have wanted, and it’s an absolute shame we barely got any glimmer and Micah reunion. I’m mad we didn’t see more of Razz or Lonnie + Rogelio + Kyle, or Huntara. Didn’t like how Entrapta was treated, especially being put on a leash, it feels really ableist to me. Wish Catra got to cut her hair of her own accord, the fact it was forced hits very close to forced assimilation of indigenous people in America and takes away a lot of her agency - id have loved to see her actually upset over the loss of her hair too. I hated the bit where adora tells glimmer “I’m a puncher I’m not good with emotions” or something to that effect, because it’s so not true; I wish Adora was more hurt after reuniting and Bow maybe a little less.

Definitely the most controversial opinion I have though is I don’t ship Catra/adora, never vibed with me, I prefer them having a more platonic relationship instead. Reminds me a lot of a really bad past relationship I was in so i have to have it blacklisted to avoid being upset by it. It’s whatever, it is what it is, I’m glad people can enjoy the relationship because I can see what they were trying to tell with the pairing and the message would be really important, but it crossed a line for me in terms of my own personal trauma. It’s worse tho cuz the fanbase tends to romanticize the most upsetting parts of the relationship to me, like adora’s scars from Catra or even outright making art of them hurting each other that’s meant to be romantic or sexy. Fanbases always do this shit tho I guess. Anyways i like most ships outside of c/a and Entrapta/hordak but my fav pairing is glimadora which alone is enough to get me pelted with rocks due to the fact there’s some really annoying glimadora shippers (not saying a name but I’m sure you all know who) who definitely stirred the pot. I sure as hell don’t associate with them anymore because I went outside LMAO

Yeah that’s basically it , I wish other she ra fans would learn how to use the block button and leaving rude comments on every character interpretation they hate

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Gleeful paintbox project #5: Previously unaired. Create an outlandish concept for a glee episode

It's play season at McKinley and they decide to do High School Musical!

This is during s5, Finn is alive but is not with Rachel, still in college but helping Will with glee club. Klaine is still engaged. Jake still cheated on Marley. Britt is not a genius so she's still at McKinley and she and Santana miss each other.

This ended up looking sort of like a mix of plots of Diva, The role you were born to play and Glease but I just placed the songs to the people I pictured, sorry if it looks like I didn't give some characters much to do, I also tried to fit some fan favorite couples even if they're not my cup of tea.

It's a looong double special episode to fit all the songs I liked because I want to lol.

The High School Glee Club Musical Madness Part 1

Finn starts the lesson saying they need to be a team to win at Nationals so he sings Getcha head in the game with Ryder, Jake, Sam, Artie, Joe and Blaine.

Blaine auditions for Ryan with Breaking free (just imagine this in his voice omg).

Meanwhile in NY:

While working at the dinner, Santana tells Rachel and Kurt she's tired of working there and says she deserves something better so she performs Fabulous while everyone in the dinner treats her like a queen. And Kurt sings the Ryan bits because Kurtana supremacy 🙌.

Back to McKinley:

Blaine got the Ryan part and all the girls (except Marley) wanna play Sharpay because #iconicqueen 👑

Unique: Make no mistake, Unique is the most and only capable one of honoring Miss Sharpay Evans.

Britt: No, I have to play her because I'm blond.

Kitty: I'm the top bitch here so the role is perfect for me, I'm not playing another random character like who the hell is Patty Simcox.

Becky: Shut up bitches, Sharpay is my spirit animal.

Sugar: You're not even in Glee club, besides I'm the only one here who has enough money to play her so 🤷‍♀️.

Tina: Well, you're all wrong because only a real diva can channel Sharpay and don't forget who won the last diva off 💁‍♀️.

Blaine in the background looking at them: 🤨😐

So they have a diva off singing A night to remember (I see them singing and trying to upstage one another like Sharpay and Tiara in HSM3, picture also Call me maybe or Diva but just with Blaine, Finn and Artie in the auditorium looking at them confused lmao).

Back to NY:

Rachel and Kurt get roles for plays so they sing I want it all (this is such a Hummelberry song, you can't tell me otherwise, just picture the actual HSM3 scene but with them).

Back to McKinley:

Marley auditions (for Gab obviously) with When there was me and you (It's a little mid season so it's after Jake cheating). Also an Alternative version for this song, a duet between Marley and Quinn. Rachel calls Quinn to tell her she misses Finn but she can't go back to Ohio. Quinn realizes she has always had feelings for her. She hangs up and sings the song in the hallways of Yale (like Gabriella in HSM). I imagine the scenes intertwined with Marley singing at McKinley and Quinn at Yale (This is a treat for Faberry shippers and also cause I believe Quinn's voice on this would be perfect).

Kitty, Unique and Tina get callbacks for Sharpay so they sing What I've been looking for with Blaine to see who has better chemistry with him. They start upstaging each other again and they kinda make Blaine aside to show who's the better Sharpay and they change the song, so this turns into a mashup with Bop to the top (Picture the Zack and Cody scene of bop to the top, sorry for the quality, is the best one I could find but it's in Disney+ anyway lol).

Blaine's face in this whole episode:

Ending: Even tho we didn't see his audition (because too many songs already), I'd like to think Sam is a huge HSM fan so he gets the Troy part and Marley gets Gabriella, in the end they're rehearsing in the auditorium while Finn and Artie watch, they sing I just wanna be with you. Jake is watching from far. We see transicions with other couples while the song goes:

Klaine talking over the phone while watching HSM.

Britt and Santana looking at pictures of each other.

This two couples sing in their parts instead of Sam and Marley (it´s a group song), and in the end we're back in the auditorium but Finn imagines himself singing and dancing with Rachel (yes, kinda like in You're the one that I want).

*credits roll*

Wait for pt. 2.

[i-did]

Do you know when the racism and ableism accusations against Nora started? Because back when I was active in 2016/2017 and don't think they were a thing, or were very low-key. Was it something she said or are people just basing it off the things she wrote in the books?

From what I remember, the first time I heard the blanket statement of “Nora is racist/fetishizes gay men” blanket statement was early fall 2019 (which is so ironic for the fandom to say on so many levels lmao). There wasn’t a catalyst or anything, just she went offline 2016 and no new content was coming out and the aftg fandom is such an echo chamber that… an accidental smear campaign happened.

 Before then, I would see occasional “Nora used ableist slur” which… is funny (not that ableism isn’t serious) to me people care more about that than Seth saying the f-slur. IMO this is because with Seth, it clearly shows the character thinking it and not the author who is writing about what will be an end game mlm relationship. 

But anyways! Long story short, it's the fact that she’s an ace/aro woman who wrote a mlm book, and based off of the events in canon. There is no “Nora called me/someone else a slur” it’s “Nora wrote a book where slur(s) are used” and “the Moriyama’s are Japanese.”

Below I put my own opinion on these claims and go into more detail:

CW for discussions of: racism, ableism, mlm fetishization

Fetishization: (and mentions of sexism at the end)

To one question in the EC about her inspo for aftg she jokingly responded how she wanted to write about gay athletes. On other parts of your blog you could see she was a hockey fan and an overall sports fan (anime or otherwise) but I've seen this statement taken out of context and framed as “she's one of those BOYXBOY” shippers. Considering how… well-developed both Andrew and Neil’s relationship is, and it takes them until like the 3rd book and there is a whole complex ass plot going on around, you can see how that's just. Not really true. And considering the fandom is like… 85% women (queer women but still women) and I've gotten into a discussion with someone who is a woman and called Nora a fetishizer and was ignoring my opinions as a mlm, and I really just wanted to say “well what does that make you?” it's a very ironic high horse. She didn’t write 3 all 3 books to put Neil in lingerie pwp or crop-top fem-fatal fashion show, fandom did. 

Also, I talked to an ace/aro friend about this, and she talked to me about how AFTG spoke to her very much so as an ace/aro story. Neil is demisexual, Nora didn’t know of the word at the time of reading it, but she did get an anon asking if Neil was demi after, and she said “had to look it up, and yep, but he doesn't really think about it” (paraphrased). Obviously it would have been cool if andreil were canonly written as wlw by Nora instead, (which would have increased the amount of wlw rep and demi rep) but tbh I don’t think tumblr would have cared about it nearly as much and everyone would just call Neil a cold bitch–like people do with Nora’s other published book with a main character who's a woman. Plus they're her OC’s, not mine. 

The fact is that 50% of all LGBT+ rep in literature is mlm, mostly white mlm, and not written by mlm. I’m not going to hold her to a higher standard than everyone else, she already broke a shit ton of barriers in topics she discusses that otherwise get ignored. I’m grateful to these books for existing even if it's a mlm story written by a woman. I still will prioritize reading mlm written by mlm–and vice versa with wlw– in the way I prioritize reading stories about POC written by POC. But credit where credit is due, this is a very good story, and a very good demi story. 

Ableism:

To me, AFTG is a story about ableism and how we perceive some trauma survivors more worthy than others. Neil and the foxes using ableist language shows how people actually talk. Neil thinks shitty things about Andrew, like the others do too, and thinks he's “psycho”. The story ultimately deconstructs this idea and these perceptions of people. Wymack, someone who says the r-slur (which is still not known by the general population as a slur even in 2021 much less the early 2000s when the book was beginning to be written and what the timeline is based off of) is a character who understands Andrew better than most of the others do, and gives him the most sympathy and understanding despite using words like the m-slur and r-slur. Using these words isn't good, but it is how people talk, and this character talks. Wymack is a playful “name caller” especially when he’s mad, the foxes think Andrew is “crazy” and incapable of humanity and love because of it. They call his meds “antipsychotics” as an assumption and insult in a derogatory way, when really antipsychotics are a very helpful drug for some people who need them. Even Neil thinks these things about Andrew until he learns to care about him. All the foxes are hypocritical to am extent, as people in real life tend to be. Nora herself doesn’t use these or tweet them or something, her characters do to show aspects of their personality and opinions and how they change over time.

Racism:

As for the racism, I've seen people talk about how racial minorities being antagonists is inherently bad, which I think lacks nuance but overall isn't a harmful statement or belief. However, Nora herself said she wrote in the yakuza instead of another gang or mob because she was inspired for AFTG by sports anime, (which often queer-bait for a variety of reasons). I haven’t seen a textual analysis acknowledging the racist undertones surrounding the Moriyama’s as the few characters of color who are also major antagonists, but instead just “Nora is racist”. Wymack having shitty flame tribal tattoo’s is just… a huge 90’s thing and a part of his character design. Her having a character with bad taste in tattoo trends doesn’t mean she's racist. There is the whole how Nicky is handled thing, but that's a whole thing on it’s own. The fandom… really will write Nicky being all “ai ai muy spicy, jaja imma hit on my white–not annoying like me–boyfriend in Spanish. With my booty hole out and open for him ofc.” and as a Mexican mlm I’m like … damn alright. 

I think there is merit to the fact that she writes white as the default* and unless otherwise stated a POC a character was written with the intent to be white is another valid criticism, as well as the fact that the cast is largely white, but everything Nora is accused of I've seen the fandom do worse. That goes to the debate of, is actively writing stereotypes for POC more harmful than no representation at all? And personally I prefer the lack of established race line that lets me ignore Nora’s canon intent of characters to be white and come up with my own HC’s over the fandoms depictions of “zen monk Renee with dark past” “black best friend Matt who got over drugs but is a puppy dog” “ex stripper black Dan who dates Matt” vague tokenism. I HC many of the upperclassmen as POC and do my best to actively give thought behind it and have their own arcs that also avoids the fandom colorism spectrum of “darkest characters we HC go to the back and fandom favorites are in the front and are the lightest.” 

*I however won't criticize her harsher or more than… everyone else who still largely does this in fanfiction regarding AFTG as well as literature in general. This isn't a Nora thing, it's a societal thing, and considering the books came out in like 2014 I'm not gonna hold her to a higher standard than the rest of the world. She's just someone who wrote her personal OC’s and self-published expecting no following. I don’t know her race and I’m not gonna hold her to a higher standard than everyone else just because. 

The criticisms I've seen have always been… ironic IMO, and clearly I have a lot of thoughts on it. I think most people say those things about Nora because they heard them, and it's the woke thing to say and do and don’t critically analyze their actions or anything, but just accept them. 

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Am I the only one who doesn’t get why some (tw) are shitting on Haru and Rin separately just for the fact that they reciprocate each others feelings? Because it’s not the feelings they wanted them to reciprocate? Just curious because I'm new and recently entered the fandom. And since when miscommunication in between means that they don't deserve to be happy at the end? Because you're an idiot when it comes to love, doesn't mean you're a bad person. I came from chinese bl and it's weird to me.

Hehe welcome to the madness, perfect time to join! Yeah, tbh that's the thing in the fandom that always bugged me the most. The fact that some act like if you don't reciprocate someone's feelings, it makes you a bad person. I always found it incredibly cringy when ppl in real life for example make ppl feel guilty for not feeling the same way and make you feel like shit bc of it. I don't get why you have to apologize for that or feel bad, if you never ever gave him any hope or anything in the first place.

Nowdays it's thankfully a rare sight already in this fandom, bc most already grown and see perfectly what's truly healthy and unhealthy, it's just tbh only the same 3 accounts ppl keep sending me that are still on that, who also think that Haru is literally possessed in the last movie so I don't see the point of like arguing with ppl like this. It's just they're always getting extremely angry when Haru wants Rin as if it's his fault that he feels this way and always go about it like he is inconsiderate of Makoto's feelings. Implying that they're mad that he doesn't feel that way about Makoto, while Makoto does. I'm same as @tododeku-or-bust for example said here (idk what fandom brought this on, but just in general) also do not get what's appealing about this kind of relationships in the first place.

If they shipped it in terms of like it's mutual I'd get it, but they go on about how Rin or Haru are bad friends bc they're not in love with their best friends... like ?????? I didn't know you owe it to your friends to have romantic feelings for them.

In real life if you found out that your bestie feels that way for you while you don't reciprocate, it's a burden, that'll make you feel uncomfortable and at times guilty when you shouldn't technically feel that way. So putting on someone a burden of "I was pining for you all along", when you know they don't feel the same is giving me this feeling of cringe. So I personally do not get what's enjoyable at seeing it like that in Free. But to each their own kink lmao.

It's like... is Haru at fault for the fact that he was Ikuya's first love too? I do not get it really. Like he doesn't have to take responsibility for everyone who falls for him and he doesn't owe anyone to reciprocate their feelings. Even to Rin. Like if he didn't feel the same way for Rin, it wouldn't be his fault either. But since he does feel the same way for him, it's like... good, great, happy for them.

Like once again if someone believes that Makoto and Sousuke are unrequitedly in love with Rin and Haru, that's not rinharu fault. Haru literally never ever lead Makoto on EVER. He never ever did anything that would make Makoto believe that they're more than friends. He was always honest about everything. Like when Makoto thought that he went out to see him, but Haru just wanted to see the sunrise, he told him just that. He never encoraged anything, he refused to live with him and never wanted. I do not get why it's supposed to be his fault that he doesn't like his friend in that way. If Makoto has some unrequited feelings for him and decided to hang up on this, it's his own life choice in my opinion.

It's like saying that Onodera and Takano for example don't deserve to be together just because they unintentionally hurt each other and got separated for 10 years bc of misunderstanding. This argument is like typical Yokozawa life position aka "but I was there when he left you heartbroken for several years, that means you MUST pick me". As I've said before, that's just not how it fucking works. And just bc they couldn't explain things to each other normally, doesn't mean that they don't deserve be happy now. Being idiots is not a crime.

Or if you came from chinese bl, lets go "Guardian" for example. Zhu Hong also was on about how "why you love Shen Wei, not me, I always did everything for you and I was always there, I even wore heels bc you once said you liked those etc". Like he never asked her to do this, he never gave her any hope, he was beyond rude and open about the fact that he's not interested, he never did anything to make her think she had a chance since the beginning. Just bc she decided to dedicate her life to false hope that maybe one day something might change is not his fault. It was her choice. Why Yunlan should feel like shit bc of that I do not get personally.

I'm just buffled bc like Haru for example is the most caring about other ppl's pain person, but they call him selfish and rude bc of the way he is with Makoto at times, not even realising that it IS in fact what means being kind sometimes.. to not give someone a chance when you know you don't feel it. I was always saying this like since forever, being kind doesn't mean for example giving everyone second chances, loving everyone, wanting to be friends with anyone etc. In some situations it's not being kind, it's being stupid or even not being a good person. Once again... offering someone friendship after he openly dissed your friend and you see that he's not in any position to talk back is not kind. Or if someone cheats on you constantly, but you always forgive them it's also not you being kind. It's you being stupid. Sometimes you have to be harsh. It's for the greater good.

And like I saw several times stuff like someone under scenes where Rin has his eyes for Haru only, commenting like "oh great, look at Rin being inconsiderate of Sousuke's feelings again. Can't believe you guys find this romantic." I mean, if in their opinion Sousuke is in pain from being Rin's friend, he can end it, it's his choice. It's not Rin's fault that he thinks of him as just his friend. So thinking that Rin is an asshole bc each time he simply hangs out with Sousuke he's a selfish bitch is fucking insane. I'd feel extremely bad if my best friend was seeing it this way for example. It's like hella ugly.

This annoys me also bc of the fact that Rin, the person who at the age of 12 single-handedly saved his family from falling apart after his father's death, who's an amazing friend to Sousuke and did everything to make his happy after he found out about his trauma and always checks on him first and cries about his shoulder, who in the late evenings taught Rei to swim, when everyone else gave up already xD, who was looking after Nitori during his training, who pretends to walk the same road, just because he's scared to let Gou return alone in the evenings, the most amazing son and brother, is suddenly an asshole just because Haru is in love with him, but not with Makoto. I mean, thats just... huh? Like I dont mind you ship what you want to ship, it's like to each their own crayons for real. But like dissing them and call them selfish just bc they only see their friends as friends and don't want anything more is weird to me.

As for the fact that bc of the misunderstanding they don't deserve to be happy, that's just idiotic. I mean, lets punish Wei Wuxian and Lan Zhan too just bc Lan Zhan couldn't voice his real feelings back then and bc WWX misunderstood him. Lets ship WWX with Wen Ning instead. Nezumi is cancelled, he doesn't deserve to be with Shion. He left him. Takano should stay with Yokozawa, Onodera is trash. Wu Xie is trash for wanting to be with Zhang Qiling too. It doesn't matter why he leaves, it only matters that he always does. I can't believe he doesn't see that Pangzi is there with him all along xD. What an ungrateful trash of a human being I can't even.

And anyways btw both Rin and Haru are not ideal human beings in any way (otherwise I wouldn't love them this much tbh xD). But their flaws are definitely not what for example mh shippers usually blame them for. You can argue about their other imperfections easily. Like being stupidly stubborn for example. I won't point fingers here, Haru lolz. Or literally anything else.

My point is you can find what to trash them for logically, if you wanna. Do it smartly tho. Otherwise you make your ship look bad.

And I once again say what wise person said about his relationships and about the fact that not being able with someone he loves hurt him and 'why is he doing this to himself' he answered: "it's not on him. my happiness and my pain is for me to handle". Everyone decides for themselves. This is why for example Haru was so broken about voicing this to Rin and didn't have any intentions to tell him that in the first place. Bc it's not right, if you're not sure that it's requited. Technically he has no right to blame Rin for making him fall in love with him and then leaving in the first place. It's not Rin's fault really, that he made him feel what he feels for him, it's ultimately Haru's problem. That's why he feels has no right to blame him in the first place. I mean, he doesn't know that Rin feels the same, that means saying to him "you break my heart each time you leave" and making him feel bad about it is technically wrong. That's why Haru to himself said "no, please, don't say such things to him". Everyone for himself decides who deserves your 5, 7, 800 or 10000 years of your pain. It's your decision. It's your life. If Haru feels like Rin is worth it, then you have no say in that matter really. The only reason we call Rin an idiot or Haru an idiot is because we know they feel the same, so we can. But blame someone else for not feeling what you're feeling is not right.

So like even if you feel like Makoto and Sousuke have feelings for their friends, blaming Haru and Rin for having feelings for each other and not for them is beyond weird. And there's nothing wrong with putting someone you love first, every bro/sis gets it. You can say bros before hoes all you want, but like Lan Zhan might just drop his bro for his hoe, if he was given a choice. Would it make him a bad person? The fact that Wu Xie chose to save Xiaoge before Pangzi makes his a bad person? My point is it's not all that easy.

I just feel like many ppl in this fandom are very weird about many things. Either because they do not get what it's like to go through some things or maybe they just do not get that no matter how cheesy this sounds love is not that simple. I mean, for example not all selfish is bad, sometimes like in Haru's case for example not being selfish is also bad. Bc if he finally asks for what he wants, he will make both himself AND Rin happy.

To be angry at Rin bc of the aftermath of his father's death and s1 I never had it in me, after knowing everything and how adults handled it. If some of Sousuke's fans bc of Yakusoku and the fact that Rin found his salvation in Haru bc he helped him to move forward after getting his family out of this hell alone and that Haru was the safe haven that made him happy in this moment of his life, want to trash Rin for the fact that he "neglected" Sousuke, its like your opinion. I personally do not get it. Rin doesn't owe Sousuke anything. It's not his fault again that Haru's existence helped him to feel better.

Just like not everyone will get why Haru in 1x12 was so happy about the fact that he could help Rin. To be that special somebody for someone who can "save" you in moments of your life like this, especially if you love them is an incredible feeling. And no, your bestie isn't always the person for this job, no. I don't see why people do not get that I guess, that's all. But we all have our own opinion on everything, so...

We same as you do not get it since forever, but its like it is what it is in this fandom. I personally just have another life position on stuff, so I'm very far from that point of view they have.

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A few things to know about my treatment of Harley and the DCU (ie: the movies and shit)

— For as much as I still like the og Susquad for the sake of it being just...ridiculous and a lot of the aesthetic (look, we can go back and forth about Harley and sexualization until the planet’s heat death, but Harley has always been portrayed as a sexy girl that wore sexy outfits, and you can say that Ayer was probably not thinking about her agency as a person to dress however the fuck she wanted, but it’s how I choose to interpret it. Now, I’m not saying it’s wrong to interpret her as an oversexualized character, but I also think we need to sit down and have a long conversation about women simply existing in society is often sexualized without putting her in high heel sneakers and booty shorts), I felt really weird about the implication that she was somehow involved or complicit in Jason Todd’s death. Which oh boy, let me talk about that. Harley wasn’t even a character yet when Death in the Family came out, so it’s often ignored in her canon/fanon as a general rule. Now, most of the comics I’ve read with Harley in them hasn’t broached the matter, and in fan discourse, her involvement in it seems to be written off as a) it was before they got together b) it was the straw that broke the camel’s back and she bounced before things got crazy (and she feels bad that she wasn’t strong enough at that point to take Jason with her) or c) it was during one of their breaks, the whole situation actually attributed to the Jarley trope that Harley was the voice of reason between the two. ie: Had they been together, Harley would have never let it go that far, and because they’re broken up, Joker indulges in his darkest urges. Jarley shippers tend to take it a little further and say that Joker is in berserk mode as a way of coping with the breakup with Harley, like murder and mayhem is his ice cream pints and sad songs. Anyway, my point is, I super do not ascribe to Harley being any part of Jason’s death. Generally I just go with it happened before her or while they were on a break.

— I really like Birds of Prey so I’m pretty okay with referencing back to it if I’m rping with someone. Honestly, I will never know how to feel about Black Mask in that movie. I love it because I love Ewan and the aesthetic, and I like what he brought to the character. Yeah, yeah, evil gay, but I think we deserve the evil gays as much as we deserve the good gays in representation, and it should absolutely be noted that he never portrayed him as a predatory gay. He was never a threat because of his sexuality; he was a threat because he was a dangerously unhinged mob boss with a psychopath with a thing for knives and cutting people’s faces off at his beck and call. And yet......as much as I loved it, I also felt the dread of how chud nerds would bitch. Of course I forgot that they would be too busy being mad about women leading the film. lmao. Anyway, yes, my point is, I dig BoP

— Gunn’s Susquad is perfect and even though I have no idea where it sits in the DCU timeline, I’m kind of okay with it. I’ve watched the Susquad animations and read some comics, and it just kinda sits in its own little world. So I’m kinda whatever on how I fit it in to my canon. Oh look, I don’t have a lengthy tangent to go on.

tl:dr: Really, we’re all just vibes here.