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bangtans-peaceful-piegon · 4 years ago

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My Cup of Tea: Prologue

My Cup Of Tea: Prologue | YoongixReader

Warnings for this Chapter: none, just a post-breakup suffering OC who is saved by a whole Min Yoongi

“Coffee is bitter, so people add a little bit of sugar or creamer until it suits their taste. However, once it’s added it can’t be separated. It’s also addictive, it’s your choice to keep it as your poison or to control how much you take. Some people need it, some people don’t...In that case, it really isn’t their cup of tea.”

A/N: im finally deciding to post this after who knows how long sajkdfhd,, tysm for beta reading this for me @jtrbluv !!! again u were a huge help because the tag game you tagged me in gave me the final push to actually post this fic thats been collecting dust in my drafts. ily boo !!! <3 it also took a while because i wanted to do more research for this fic. i dont think ive read about or drank so much tea in my life for the past few months. pls enjoy the prologue everyone!

Word Count: 1,600+

You sat in the worn out leather booth, eyes trained on the steaming mug in front of you.

What just happened?

Something that took five years to grow ended in mere seconds.

Five years of dedication.

Five years of convincing yourself it would work out, that it could be fixed.

Five years spent on a relationship that should’ve ended before it began.

You mindlessly took a sip of your coffee hissing as the hot brew burnt your tongue, mind drifting back to the argument that occurred hours ago...

“You’re never here!”

“Was I not enough for you?”

“Where’s the old Y/N that I knew and loved?”

You weren’t sure about what was said after that except for... “I’m seeing someone else.”

The bruising pain on your tongue began to throb and you couldn’t help the tears that formed.

You never liked coffee, but the café was your favorite place.

Perhaps it was the enticing aroma that attracted you every time you walked in, or maybe it was the cleverly thought out name that was in the form of childlike puns: Bearly Awake Brew.

Either way, you couldn’t despise coffee any more than you already did in this moment.

“Are you alright?”

You whipped your head up to see a man standing above you.

Through your bleary eyes you could make out a set of kind brown ones shielded by black frames which rested atop a boopable nose. On his head, a black mop of neatly trimmed hair along with soft cheeks paired with a soft jawline.

The man was dressed in a black turtle-neck and long-coat as if returning from a meeting discussing the newest stocks and bonds of business.

After a small, possibly noticeable, ogling of the stranger, you shook your head ‘no.’

He motioned to the seat across from you raising his brows inquisitively, “May I?”

This time you slowly nodded.

He seemed harmless enough, and even if he tried anything there was pepper spray in your purse.

You sniffled as he took a seat.

“Do you want to talk about it?”

“No y-you wouldn’t understand.” He leaned forward onto his elbows—a determined furrow in his brow.

“Try me.”

Who was this guy? He didn’t come off as threatening but somewhat… familiar.

You couldn’t quite place his face or remember his name.

“Not yet, right now I just need a good cry,” you replied sinking further into your seat.

“Alright.” He said, shrugging and not saying much, or really, nothing.

He sat across from you— not making eye contact but quietly observing the café.

Several questions raised in your mind: Where did he come from? Why is he here of all places? Did someone send him with the intention to make you feel even more like a fool than you already did?

“Don’t you have anything better to do?” you asked when the silence became a little too long.

“No, not really...” he replied slowly. “Would you like me to leave?”

“No, I mean, it’s just-“ you hesitated, “You’re fine,”

“Ok then.”

Silence.

One look at him and it’d be hard to believe women find him approachable, but the man came up to you.

Much less, while you were on the verge of outright bawling in the middle of a café.

“What’s your name?” you asked, initiating conversation. You might as well since he was there.

“Yoongi. Yours?” You hesitated knowing it wasn’t fair to not give him your name.

“I’ll reassure you I’m not a stalker, at least not the bad kind.”

You let out an amused scoff, “What’s that supposed to mean?”

He chuckles and you couldn’t help but enjoy the sound.

Were you really that joy deprived?

“Ok then, I’m Min Yoongi, and I’m a stocker. As in I distribute and track merchandise in stores.” he reaches a hand out to shake and you can’t help but stare at it.

“Well go on I won’t bite,” you huffed a laugh, taking his hand and shaking it.

He smiles and you can’t help but return it.

Who is this guy?

“Why don’t we go for a walk?”

You contemplate his offer.

You had just met him but you hadn’t had casual conversation in a while… or hung out with friends for that matter. So maybe it’d be good for you after-

“Sure let’s go,” You replied immediately while standing up, maybe a little too quickly— your chair scratching the wooden floors and making a startling sound as you headed to the door.

He raised his brows in surprise at the sudden burst of energy before trailing behind you, ignoring the stares of café patrons.

“Hey wait up!”

This was another reason why you visited the quaint coffee shop often.

The park outside was always bustling with life and energy.

There was a little pond where ducks would glide across its surface diving from time to time, scavenging for the weeds at the bottom, maybe even getting sustenance from people who were ignorant of the ‘Do not feed the ducks’ sign.

It also had an open field where locals and families would enjoy the hot summer days by setting up little camps with blankets and food or even play small games of football or soccer.

While children played in the vast expanse of green, parents would sit back and converse with strangers forming new friendships. It was a place of change and growth and you loved it.

“So,” Yoongi continued as you both walked down the dirt path, “other than your name, and why you were crying in my café, is there anything about you I have yet to know?” Your cheeks flushed red as you shifted your sight to the ground.

“There’s nothing much really,” you replied with a shrug before backtracking his sentence, “Wait, your café?”

“Don’t change the subject. There’s got to be one thing about you… how about your favorite color?”

You purse your lips at the dodging of the question, albeit a basic one, but it was a start. “I guess Rainbow,”

He nodded with a hum, “Wise choice,”

You let out a huff of amusement, “Alright wise guy, what’s yours?”

He pondered for a moment before affirmatively replying, “Black,”

You hummed. “Kind of... dark, isn’t it?”

He turned around and shrugged, “I’d say the rainbow but you took it already,”

You scoffed, resuming your place beside him.

He continued asking basic questions to which you replied and vice versa.

You liked dogs, but him on the other hand didn’t have a favorite animal, at least until he adopted a poodle which made him keen on the creatures, more specifically one named Holly.

You were allergic to bees and he was allergic to cats.

You both enjoyed a variation of music from rap to classical piano music, but the question also led to a debate on what artist is the most superior to all.

Neither of you won, and concluded neither lost with valid points made during said argument.

It only felt like minutes had gone by but wasn’t until you looked at the time that you realized how late it was.

The crowd at the park had begun to thin out while shops surrounding the area were beginning to close for the day.

The once bright sunlight began to fade behind clouds as it began its descent to the horizon.

“I should probably be heading home,” you cut in politely before he could delve into the topic of what they would do in a post-apocalyptic world.

“Oh,” he replied, obviously disappointed.

He rubbed the back of his neck nervously. “Well could I ask you one more thing?”

You nodded expecting it to be another ‘get to know you’ question or something along the lines of ‘if you had to would cut your arm or leg off?’ but it was something much more complicated.

“Can I get your number?”

You stiffened, unsure how to respond.

You weren’t sure if he was asking as a friend or a man with an ulterior motive.

Could you really do it?

Especially after you had just-

“I’m sorry that came out wrong,” He quickly mended, fumbling his words, realizing your distress.

“I think you’re really great, and I’d like us to continue talking. Just two people who enjoy each other’s company, you know?”

You looked up at him and saw he was offering to be friends that would be nothing more.

You couldn’t deny: you had fun.

For the first time in a long time.

Maybe it wasn’t a relationship you needed, but a friendship.

You smiled, “I’d like that,”

You reached into your pocket pulling out your phone, “Here.”

You both swapped devices, putting in the respective numbers. Once the contact was added, you returned each device to the rightful owner.

He grinned, holding up his phone, “How about a contact photo?”

You smiled, nodding as you stood beside him while he took a selfie of you side-by-side. Once the picture was taken he slid his phone into his pocket. “Thanks,” he glanced down at the phone, that darn smile growing on his face, “Y/N. I’ll talk to you soon?”

You nodded and finally split ways.

As you began the trek toward your apartment a dopey smile remained plastered on your face.

Maybe everything would be alright.

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hinasho · 4 years ago

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isle of the lost vs descendants 1 characterizations

the book ends literally when the movie starts so their personalities cant be that different right? lets see

(similarities posted at the bottom!)

DIFFERENCES:

book: when evil queen goes on about beauty related things, especially in regards to her daughter, usually evie would begrudgingly recite whatever “tip” eq taught her and just go along with what she says. not to say she hated those kinds of things, but whenever her mother brought it up, she never expressed similar excitement or engagement. more often than not she was indifferent to her mother’s beauty antics, and we only see her talk about them in regards to herself in the last few chapters (im not talking abt the mirror incident, but the one liners she’d drop about her appearance here and there) movie: when the parents first tell their kids about going to auradon, eq talks about sprucing her daughter up before she leaves and evie is visibly excited about the makeover. she also goes onto encourage it on others as seen when they’re all in the limo and she tries to put makeup on mal.

book: the villain parents are not friends and we almost never see them together. the one time we saw the parents/adults all together was in the prologue scene for evie’s 6th birthday party. after that they never interact and dont pay each other any mind. this is especially true regarding evil queen and maleficent, as they state in the book that they’ve been at odds ever since they fought over who’d rule the isle. eq has also just been welcomed back into society after being banned by the other, so time-wise, at worst, they are still enemies and, at best, barely tolerable acquaintances. movie: evil queen & maleficent have a significantly close relationship, so much so that eq knows her house like the back of her hand and where maleficent keeps things, specifically that her spellbook is in the fridge. they even have a laugh about how they use to run things before being forced to live on the isle. they seem to be genuinely close.

put the rest under the cut bc this post is too long lol

book: jafar and jay’s mantra is “whoever has the gold makes the rules” which was significant because it helped them while in the forbidden fortress movie: jafar and jay’s mantra is “there’s no team in I” (while this change was surprising, i also wasn’t that upset abt it bc both book and movie!jay struggle with teamwork)

book: carlos is not athletic at all and goes on about how he hates gym class. he is very focused on stem and doesn’t really care about any other kind’ve hobby. meanwhile jay is athletic and does casual parkour when going anywhere. movie: both of them do extreme parkour in the opening song. im not referring to the dancing ofc, but the extra flips and tricks they do. this is not unusual for jay, but is in regards to carlos.

book: jay isn’t the only one that goes around stealing things, mal very much does it to. at the end of the day they’d even compare how many things they’ve stolen to see who’s the best thief. jay usually wins, but still, both are thieves. movie: when they get to auradon, mal is very confused as to why jay would take the time to steal things and even needs for him to explain why he does it.

book: ben describes audrey as a classic fairy tale princess. she finds all things in auradon lovely and beautiful, and even has a bird land on her finger during their date. while she does think negatively of everyone on the isle, she acts mostly “lovely and sweet” before anything else, and it is not faked. think: giselle from enchanted. movie: idk how else to explain this difference besides “audrey just has a different vibe”. she is more regina george-esque than genuinely cheery, and puts on an obviously fake smile and attitude so often that queen belle expresses distaste for her

SIMILARITIES:

mal likes art and goes around the isle putting up tags --- (the romance storyline wasn’t bad, but it would’ve been nice to see mal maybe join an art club? or get into painting or smthg else related to her hobby)

carlos is afraid of dogs --- in the book he can’t even say or hear the word bc it’s a trigger for him. he can say “puppies”, but he cannot say the word dog. whereas in the movie, he says the word several times. this is an extremely minor difference to be fair

when they’re afraid/think they’re in danger, they all cling to jay

they’re not used to sunlight

the ben & mal tension on first meet (and continued infatuation before the cookie scene) --- in the book both characters have had a dream about the other. they didn’t know who the other was, but they remembered the dreams vividly enough that they were able to describe their faces in detail. in the movie when they first meet, both pause on each other several times. it’s likely because of the o’l Disney Romance™️, but it could also be because of curious recognition.

jay is a flirt/smoother charmer and girls fawn over him

carlos is good with and likes science & technology

mal wanting to prove herself to her mother & the others not being as set on it --- in the book, mal is constantly reminded of the times her mother has called her “not worthy of bearing her own name or of being her daughter” and it causes mal to lose her cool several times. the other VKs also have parental issues ofc, but ones that are not as focused on proving themselves like mal’s are. theirs lean more towards other problems. in the movie she is extremely insistent on reminding them what they’re at auradon for and that this is their “one chance to prove themselves”

the core four freeze in fear when confronted with the reality of their parents’ pasts

mal can touch maleficent’s scepter --- to be fair that dance number in the museum was most likely just mal daydreaming, but still

jay going off on his own/following his own plan --- in the book jay and jafar plan for him to go with mal to the forbidden fortress and then double cross her and steal the scepter for himself, taking it as their “big score”. in the movie when they first see the wand with their own eyes, he runs off in front of everyone and only opens the gate enough for himself to squeeze through. carlos has to open it wider so they can all get through it after him. and once theyre in the same room as the wand, he reaches for it first against mal’s wishes.

carlos is bad at sports --- this is in both the differences & similarities section because, while in the book & movie he’s bad at sports, in the book he also doesnt like them and has no desire to do them as he is completely focused on science & tech. while after some practice in the movie, carlos joins the tourney team alongside jay. (i personally would’ve preferred for him to join a computer or engineering club)

mal can manipulate people with ease (book: evie / movie: jane & ben)

fairy godmother is mainly the one that enforces the “no magic” rule --- beast may have created it, but both in the book & the movie, people/creatures talk about fairy godmother being the one that restricts them

carlos climbs trees/searches for higher ground when afraid

evie knows how to use her looks, specifically her smile, to get the things she wants (book: persuading dr. facilier / movie: getting info out of chad)

audrey likes to dance

carlos is sarcastic & competitive

mal cheers up evie when she’s upset

evie is good with academics

ben wanting to be his own person rather than act like his father --- this was a good continuation from book to movie as ben only realizes he needs to be himself in the final chapters, which he just continues to encourage in the movie.

mal’s spur of the moment saving tactics

the villains aren’t good with computers/the internet --- the isle canonly doesn’t have wifi and in the movie the villains struggle with the laptop that was most likely given to them from an auradon representative

audrey’s family still being deeply traumatized by what maleficent did

belle not letting beast talk shit

mal pitying her mother for what she went through --- in the book: when she sees the past of what happened at aurora’s christening and sympathizes that her mother was nothing but a sad lonely girl. in the movie: the “and i really wish you hadn’t gotten there yourself” line during ben’s coronation

annddd yeah!

honestly there were a lot more similarities than i was expecting, and i am pleasantly surprised! book to movie things dont usually crossover well, but honestly, the first movie didnt do too bad of a job of it.

tbh i think the one that probably suffered the most was audrey’s character. she really seemed very different from her book counterpart. this isnt to say that book!audrey was a saint and would’ve treated the VKs kindly, but she also wasn’t a fake person and was genuinely that cheery and upbeat all the time. whereas in the movie, it seems like almost nobody likes her (except chad) bc of her “fakeness”.

i personally think if they were gonna go with the “bad girl and her minion” role, then audrey should’ve been the minion. in the book she was kind’ve an airhead (?? idk she just tended to have her head in the clouds a lot) and if one of the auradon girls told her to act a certain way towards the VKs for the “good of auradon”, i could see her listening to them. i dont know if she’d be the one to come up with the evil deed herself though.

overall, the continuity flowed pretty well. i wish they didn’t change audrey’s character like they did (they probably could’ve had jane play the role of ‘stuckup girl’ tbh since she was a new character and her mother had a higher position in the kingdom compared to audrey’s parents anyway, so smthg to boast abt), but other than that, the movie’s characterizations were kinda close to the books!

#descendants #babbles #long text post //#now i gotta read Return #isle of the lost spoilers obviously

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seolhe · 5 years ago

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I was wondering,,, why do you say the dark wife is one of the worst books you've read? I read it a few years ago, and I dont remember anything about it tbh, so I'm curious

Oh boy, where do I start? I had a lot of problems with this novel, both as a Greek myth retelling and from a writing standpoint. Now, keep in mind that I read thisabout 2 years ago, so I might be forgetting some small details here and there, but I’ll try to explain the main reasons it bugged me so much. So buckle up, because this is gonna be a long one.

Characters: All the characters are two-dimensional and poorly developed. None of them have any amount of nuance or depth.Zeus is moustache twirling villain who is evil for the sake of being evil. Hades is as good as Zeus is evil, endlessly noble and selfless and devoted. I genuinely can’t remember a single defining trait of Persephone? She’s such abland and generic protagonist, nothing really stands out about her in my memory other than her obsessive pining over Hades and hatred of Zeus. A lot of this feels like it’s pulled straight from the shallow and occasionally downright inaccurate readings of Greek myths that have become so popular in recent years, especially on places like tumblr (Zeus as an evil rapist, Hades as a pure cinnamon roll, Persephone descending willingly into the Underworld, etc.).But there are also more confusing takes on these characters, like turning chaste virgin goddess Athena into a self-centered, promiscuous lesbian (not to say that being a lesbian or being promiscuous is bad, it’s just such a strange interpretation of Athena’s character that doesn’t make any sense)And don’t even get me started on poor Charis! Charis, Persephone’s first lover in the book, exists solely to be raped and killed by Zeus. She’s fridged to show us that Zeus is BAD and giving Persephone a reason to hate him. The author’s treatment of this character is lazy and offensive. I’m sure this is something that won’t bother all readers, but as someone with a deep love for the mythology, I found the portrayal of the Greek gods franklyinsulting. Plot:“Three thousand years ago, a god told a lie.”Here we run into a big problem with the narrative. We’re told from the very prologue that the story of Hades and Persephone we’re familiar with is a lie, a narrative created by Zeus, and this is Persephone’s attempt to set the record straight.These are the first lines of our story: “I am not my mother’s daughter. I have forfeited my inheritance, my birthright. I do not possess the privilege of truth. The stories told by fires, the myth of my kidnap and my rape, are all that remain of me. Forever I will be known as the girl who was stolen away to be the wife of Hades, lord of all the dead. Andnone of it is true, or is so fragmented that the truth is nothing more than ashadow, malformed. The stories are wrong. I am not who they say I am.I am Persephone, and my story must begin with the truth.Here it is, or as close as I can tell it.”Well, this doesn’t really make any sense when, at the end of the story, Zeus is defeated and thrown into Tartarus. Why does this narrative survive into modern day when Hades and Persephone won? Why is Persephone only able to tell her story now, after thousands of years without Zeus in power? Speaking of Zeus and lies, the justification for the whole “What, Hades is awoman?!” thing really doesn’t make any sense. We’re told that Zeus calls Hades “lord” of the dead as a joke, Hades even refers to it as a “slur” in the story. The reason given for this is that Hades is only attracted to women. Well, if that’s the case, why doesn’t that same logic apply to Athena, who’salso shown to be attracted only to women? Or to Persephone for that matter? Same-sex attraction, even between women, is never shown to be frowned upon in their society, so why would Zeus single out Hades for her attraction to women? And why do all the other gods apparently go along with that “joke” to the point that Persephone literally didn’t know Hades was a woman until she meets her in person? And why, again, did this idea of Hades being a man survive into modern day? The story is constructed so poorly on so many different levels. There are so many threads that are just dropped entirely. For example:- The story starts with Demeter confidently proclaiming that Persephone will become the queen of the gods, setting up this big rivalry between her and the daughters of Hera and Aphrodite. This plot never goes anywhere, in fact, I don’t think it’s ever brought up again after the first chapter, and Demeter basically spends the rest of the book cowering before Zeus. - There’s a significant plotline about Pallas having Persephone try to deliver a message to Athena, a plotline that is unceremoniously dropped without anyresolution. After all the build-up, there’s a throwaway line about Pallas giving the note to Persephone right before the big showdown with Zeus, and that’s the last we hear of it. We never see it delivered, we don’t get to see Athena’s reaction to it, we don’t know how this impacts Pallas, if at all. In fact, Pallas basically doesn’t show up at all after this point. Then there’s the main conflict of the story: Zeus wants Persephone, and as we’re told over and over and over, Zeus always gets what he wants (the author really beats this into our heads). We’re never really given any motivation for any of Zeus’ actions, so this conflict feels weak and contrived. It doesn’t help that we get so much build-up for what a terrible threat he is, and then Persephone defeats Zeus, the most powerful god, feared by all, in like… two pages? It’s such a weak and anticlimactic end to the story.

There was also some sort of convoluted plan concocted by Zeus to, idk, have the dead rise up and overthrow Hades? For some reason? Again, we never get any clear motivation from Zeus. As far as I can remember, we’re never told why he hates Hades so much, or why he wants to overthrow her. I don’t even remember if the author explained what Zeus was going to do with the Underworld without Hades there to rule. I’m sorry, I genuinely can’t even remember the details, but it was just reallybadly set up and, once again, easily solved in a few pages.And that’s really the main problem with the story, everything is so easily solved. Our good guys all get happily ever afters with no sacrifices and no consequences for anything, and there’s always a quick and easy solution to any threat or conflict. Mythology:So how does it hold up as a Hades and Persephone retelling?Well, not great, imho. A lot of classical elements are incorporated into this retelling, but they’re stripped of any meaning or importance to the plot. The pomegranate? It’s there at their wedding, but it never figures into the greater narrative.Demeter causing famine by bringing infertility to the fields? She does freeze the world in this story, threatening everlasting winter, but unlike in the Homeric Hymn to Demeter, it’s not an act of agency on her part, refusing to submit to the will of Zeus and fighting to be reunited with her daughter. Nah. She’s just being manipulated by Zeus and it’s used as a cheap reason to tear our lovers apart.And somehow, I don’t even know why seeing as it doesn’t tie into Demeter freezing the earth or Persephone eating the seeds of the pomegranate, butPersephone is still forced to spend half the year on earth and half in theUnderworld.In the epilogue, we see her in modern day New York*, acting as psychopomp (for some reason???), happily guiding the souls to the afterlife, which we’re told is her duty for the half of the year she spends above ground. I’m just so confused as to what the author was even going for here. Where did this come from? It doesn’t originate in the original myths, but it’s also not explained (as far as I can remember) in the book.*This isn’t a problem with the book per se, and it’s 100% a matter oftaste, but I personally really dislike it when mythological figures appearin a modern setting, especially when the author has to put them in anAmerican setting rather than the geographical location of their origin, whetherthat’s Greece or Egypt or Scandinavia or what have you. Romance: Hades and Persephone are destined soulmates and instantly fall in love pretty much the moment they first set eyes on each other, which doesn’t allow for any growth or progression of their relationship. They’re instantly deeply and madly in love with each other and their feelings never change over the span of the story. They spend most of their time together staring lovingly into each others eyes and when they’re separated for literally 3 days Persephone basically spends her entire days languishing in despair.It’s ridiculously melodramatic and cheesy, which again, personal taste thing,I’m just really not into. Other writing issues: - The worldbuilding is pretty much non-existent. The story doesn’t feel grounded in any particular time period or cultural context, and you never get any sense of the setting, or how the world works and what this society is like. - The pacing was really poor, either dragging or exploding into rushed action. - A lot of page time is spent on describing things that doesn’t really further the plot or has any thematic relevance. One example would be the garden of metal and precious stones Hades made for Persephone. It’s cool I guess? But what purpose does it serve? We also waste a lot of time which could be better used developing the characters or moving the plot forward on watching Persephone play with puppy Cerberus or petting Hades’ horses (see poor pacing). - There’s a lot of talk about Persephone having some sort of grand destiny, and that her actions have been prophesized. This is never properly explained and it only serves to weaken Persephone’s story arc, stripping her of agency by implying that she doesn’t really have a choice in the matter. Prophecy and destiny are story elements that have to be handled delicately and are easy to screw up, and they’re just dealt with so clumsily here. - Also the writing was just… not very good.I’m sure there are more things I could dig up and complain about, but I feel like this is probably too long and rambly already, so I’ll stop here.

Obligatory disclaimer:This is obviously just my personal opinion. There are a lot of people who love this book (going by Goodreads ratings, I am clearly in the minority) and I am genuinely happy for them! I also mean no disrespect to the author who seems like a genuinely lovely person.

#Anonymous #book stuff #ranty rant #queer books #greek mythology

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minijenn · 6 years ago

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And now, cause im bored, here's every chapter of Keys briefly summed up in just a few words each (possible spoilers ahead??)

Prologue: The Thirteen Keys: MoM fucks with his students, what else is new

Chapter 1: Remaining Recusant: Riku rescues his boyfriend through the power of Gay

Chapter 2: To Guard the Light: Bunch of boring lore but Sokai makes it worth it

Chapter 3: To Seek the Darkness: Organization shenanigans; Vanitas divorces his shitty, abusive not-dad

Chapter 4: Hero to Zero: Uhhhhh fuckin' Hercules or somethin idk

Chapter 5: Go the Distance: Rage Mode angst is Fun

Chapter 6: Wandering in the Dark: Riku gets a haircut in the Realm of Darkness and Sora really needs to stop lying to everyone

Chapter 7: Promising Beginnings: Kairi and Lea are forced to wear a "get along" shirt

Chapter 8: Lazy Afternoon Streets: Sora has an Identity Crisis part 1

Chapter 9: At Dusk: YA STUPID ORG XIII FUCKHEADS BEST LEAVE MY SON ALONE OR ELSE ILL THROW HANDS

Chapter 10: Sinister Whispers: ^^^ BASICALLY THAT AGAIN ONLY I MEAN IT THIS TIME

Chapter 11: You've Got a Friend in Me: Being a living toy has gotta create some sorta existential crisis, right?

Chapter 12: To Infinity and Beyond: JEN IS GONNA THROW HANDS WITH YOUNG XEHANORT I SWEAR TO GOD I AM

Chapter 13: Chase the Shadows: Detectives Mickey and Riku play a round of "Where's Terra?" And fail miserably

Chapter 14: Paradise Found: Fun with Balloons and Grumpy Geriatrics

Chapter 15: Adventure is Out There: Sora may or may not fall to his death from ridiculously high up in the air i dont fuckin know

Chapter 16: Unspoken, Unheard: Kairi writes Sora a bunch of letters cause she loves him so much but wont say it cause she shy ahah

Chapter 17: How Far I'll Go: MOANA AND SORA ARE MY NEW BROTP

Chapter 18: Know Who You Are: Vanitas gets yeeted by the Ocean cause he a naughty boyo

Chapter 19: The Streets of San Fransokyo: Sora doesnt understand how Technology works what else is new?

Chapter 20: Immortals: everything's all fun and games until Sora's dumbass self-sacrifical complex kicks in (again)

Chapter 21: Depths of Despair: LOOKS LIKE I GOTTA THROW HANDS WITH MALEFICENT NOW TOO

Chapter 22: Rise and Fall and Rise Again: Sora and Kairi hang out and DAMMIT JUST KISS ALREADY YOU DORKS

Chapter 23: The Lost Empire: Lingering Will pops in to say hi and also uhhhh whatever the fuck happens in Atlantis goes down idk

Chapter 24: Where the Dream Takes You: Sora may or may not have PTSD, boi should probs go see a therapist

Chapter 25: Drowning in Darkness: Aqua throws hands then proceeds to get Norted

Chapter 26: I See the Light: Basically KH3's take on Corona but things actually make sense this time

Chapter 27: What Once Was Mine: In which that bit from KH3 where Marluxia knocks Sora out actually leads to some legit payoff smh

Chapter 28: Firsthand Experience: Kairi and Lea take a trip to Disney World and yeet Vanitas (again) right the fuck outta there

Chapter 29: The World Es Mi Familia: Being an (unliving) skeleton also is bound to raise an existential crisis, right?

Chapter 30: Recuérdame: I cry while writing this chapter, both for my baby Xion and because Coco is just that damn tearjerking

Chapter 31: Destined Reunion: ALL THE POLY DESTINY TRIO FEELS

Chapter 32: Something There: At this point even Riku be lookin at Sora and Kairi and shouting "KISS ALREADY YOU ADORABLE DORKS"

Chapter 33: Tale as Old as Time: Sora commits an Actual Murder (am i kidding? Who knooooows)

Chapter 34: The Realm of Darkness: DARK AQUA CAN STEP ON MAH FACE IMO

Chapter 35: Rise to the Light: Great, now Aqua has PTSD too, thanks for nothin, Mickey

Chapter 36: Return to Depart: Sora has another Identity Crisis, part 2

Chapter 37: Broken Chains: Vanitas challenges Sora and Ven to a fight in the Denny's parking lot and fucking loses what else is new

Chapter 38: So This is Love: YES THEY FINALLY KISSED THOSE DORKS

Chapter 39: Almost There: Frogs and also like... Voodoo and so many BBS callbacks so damn many

Chapter 40: Dig a Little Deeper: Sora is too damn stubborn to admit he needs help what else is new

Chapter 41: Follow the Light: Wayfinder Family Reunion saves my life

Chapter 42: Solving Mysteries, Rewriting History: Sora and Goofy meet Donalds family (who then proceed to take the piss outta Donald cause this is Ducktales fam why wouldnt they)

Chapter 43: The Other Promise: Sora has yet another Identity Crisis, part 3

Chapter 44: Vector to the Heavens: Sora and Roxas drink their "Respect and Protect Xion" juice

Chapter 45: Another Arabian Night: Sora, Roxas, and Xion fuck around in a B-list Disney Direct to Video Sequel

Chapter 46: Out of Thin Air: GONNA THROW HANDS WITH XEHANORT HIMSELF THIS TIME AROUND GET AWAY FROM MY SON YA OLD FUCKHEAD

Chapter 47: Alone on the Run: Sora has a Bad Time, Riku and Kairi also have a Bad Time, generally everyone has a Bad Time

Chapter 48: Trust No One: Ven and Roxas add onto the never ending Twin Pile that apparently exists in Gravity Falls

Chapter 49: Not What He Seems: I KNOW ITS NOT UF BUT LOOKS LIKE I GOTTA THROW HANDS WITH BILL CIPHER ANYWAY SOMEHOW

Chapter 50: A Heart Torn Between: Vanitas learns that Girls exist while Sora continues to have a Very Bad Time

Chapter 51: Hawaiian Roller Coaster Ride: Riku's goin on a twink hunt, and dont think he dont know how to weeeeed em out

Chapter 52: Aloha 'Oe: Sora and Riku get into a bit of a lover's spat dont worry about it its nothin serious dont worry about it

Chapter 53: Treasured Memories: Namine is the Very First Person Ever to tell Vanitas he has emotional issues, its about damn time

Chapter 54: Let It Go: KAIRI'S FUCKIN PISSED SHE GONNA BRING HER DAMN DUMBASS WAYWARD BOYFRIEND HOME ALREADY DAMN also Sora hangs out with Elsa i guess

Chapter 55: Love Will Thaw: KAIRI KICKS EVERYONES ASSES INCLUDING SORA'S CAUSE LIKE I SAID SHES FUCKIN PISSED

Chapter 56: Back Into the Fold: Sora doesnt have an Identity Crisis anymore but he sure as hell has Anxiety now, part 4

Chapter 57: Farewell to the Wood: Absolute tone whiplash, brought to you by Winnie the Pooh and Sora's ongoing Existential Crisis too

Chapter 58: Link to All: Everyone just cries a lot for an entire chapter cause they all know they boutta fuckin dieeeee

Chapter 59: Face My Fears: I systematically rip every single one of our protagonists hearts out and stomp on each of them with no remorse whatsoever

Chapter 60: Fragments of Light: The B-Squad saves the day

Chapter 61: The Thirteenth Vessel: Sora hangs out with his New Fam, otherwise known as Organization XIII, family fun ensues and it totally isnt a massive angstfest i dont know what you mean

Chapter 62: Key to the Heart: Riku and Kairi throw hands with their boyfriend while also trying to save their boyfriend it makes sense if ya dont think about it

Chapter 63: The Final World: Sora is McFuckin dead and chilling in heaven with a cute baby plushie cat (hey its not a spoiler if KH3 did it first)

Chapter 64: At Daybreak: "But Jen, if you hate KHX so much then why do you keep making so many references to it???" BECAUSE THATS WHY NOW SHUT UP

Chapter 65: The Keyblade War: Keyblade Fight Club, either you Die or you DIE

Chapter 66: Clash of Light and Darkness: Bunch of teenagers throw hands with some bald old fuckhead, but in the end nobody wins except me

Chapter 67: Kingdom Hearts: You know you're in for something fucking nuts when the chapter title is named after the entire series

Chapter 68: The King and the Crown: Jen pulls off a plot twist so mind blowingly ridiculous that it would probably make Tetsuya Nomura blush

Chapter 69: Reconnect: Everyone has a happy ending except no not really i lied

Chapter 70: Don't Think Twice: Oops I Lied again :)

Epilogue: Dearly Beloved: Fuck KH3's ending this is my new canon now

#this is such a shitpost #though im not lying about any of this stuff tbh #there are indeed spoilers in here if ya squint #jen writes #keys to the kingdom

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tenacious-scripturient · 6 years ago

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a run-down of / my thoughts on the novel ‘trade secrets’

so! i’ve recently finished this beautifully written novel by @bettsican, and am anxiously anticipating for the second book in the trilogy! (seriously, give it a read. it’s a great lgbtq+ thriller and mystery story, i promise you’ll love it!! you can find trade secrets in many places, including amazon, where it’s only $6)

as i was reading it, i noted down all the thoughts i had. it was fun, interesting, and kept me on the edge of my seat!

oh, and spoiler warning, of course.

Chapter One

okay. this is interesting. why are they in paris? or rather, why are they NOT in paris?

2080. damn.

who is cooper hall and why is he important i want to knowwwwwwww

Chapter Two

HOLY FUCK

CHAPTER ONE WAS A PROLOGUE

OKAY IF I DIDNT NEED TO BEFORE I HAVE TO READ IT NOW

-ahem- anyway

nate literally everything you think of has to relate to smoking, doesnt it?

clyde you absolutely bitch raccoon

im sort of piecing together what’s happening here? either way this is a SUPER interesting concept.

i love the idea of every word being important

nate look at you being a nice guy. testing the CAPS before giving them to ur clients

or maybe it’s just good business

but whatever

okay, so credits are money in this world. but how do people get them? obviously there’s what nate’s doing but what’s the legal way to get them? ill probably find out soon

if it wasnt explicitly said by betty that nate ends up with another guy (i forget his name. cooper?) i would have thought audry was the romantic interest

audry you loving caring hypocrite

i feel like she’s gonna be one of my favourite characters

who is this young man that dares disturb nate’s slumber

cooper? cooper.

Chapter Three

nate get up

u turtle get up and hurry down the stairs

or—okay you can fall into that drywall that works too

ohhhhh so nate is a detective. that’s interesting

i also love this idea of keeping secrets (haha trade secrets)

dude are you sure that your embarrassing entrance wasn’t the ONLY reason you blushed? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

HEIGHT DIFFERENCE HEIGHT DIFFERENCE HEIGHT DIFFERENCE HEIGHT DIFFERENCE HEIGHT DIFFERENCE HEIGHT DIFFERENCE HEIGHT DIFFERENCE HEIG—

nate ur spending an awful lot of time looking at his features you funky little bisexual

oh damn ur smarter than u seem, just watching him take a single breath and you’re already making connections. i guess that’s why he’s a detective

im gonna assume this is cooper, even tho it never explicitly says so

i feel like we aren’t gonna get his name for a while, bc clients and whatnot and not getting attached

Chapter Four

NATE WEARS GLASSES???????

that’s kind of cute

im lowkey gay rn

anyway

NATE CALLED HIM SWEET-FACED AND PRETTY-FACED O K A Y

oh he has curly brown hair

and oh the glasses aren’t real glasses. oh. the use is actually pretty cool!

so from what im gathering civilians are people who don’t live in sanctuaries, and lemnis are people who do?

cooper sweetie why do u need so much money what have u done

nate’s pretty clever

HAH I WAS RIGHT WE AREN’T GONNA GET HIS NAME FOR A WHILE

well that’s that i guess

Chapter Five

he’s so timid awh

hehe he’s on nate’s bed

sorry

goddammit man calm down or else you’re gonna get everyone in a 5-mile radius around you arrested

wait…. zero-credit balance?? didn’t he just have a few hundred thousand credits???

OH THIS IS A FAKE PROFILE HE MADE

so cooper isn’t his real name either

Chapter Six

oh we’re back to 2080

oh they’re back in the apartment??

it was obvious before but at this point it’s confirmed that they’re going to be doing some travelling together or something

Chapter Seven

this is getting really interesting i dont wanna stop reading and type everything that comes to mind

these are gonna be shorter now hehe

“i’d been a petri dish of mixed emotions and wild chemical changes for half the day” I LOVE THAT METAPHOR LMFAO

what happened with nate’s mom

i want to know

my prediction: she wanted him to either change up or completely remove the chip bc she did something horrible? or maybe she just wanted to leave idk im bad at predictions

either way it said she was crazy

o h

that’s why he’s terrified of cutting the chip

poor nate

Chapter Eight

oh this is strangely intimate

very intimate

i feel that, because cooper has such high pain tolerance (or doesn’t show pain), he has some backstory for it

Chapter Nine

lmao nate just went off didnt he

THEIR FLIRTING IS CUTE FHJKJDLSKAJDKLSJAK

also is being lgbtq+ widely accepted as the norm in this setting? bc nate considered cooper to be flirting with him

ughhhh it’s so good so far, from the character interactions to the suspense, especially in this chapter

Chapter Ten

rude cooper is rude, rude nate is even more rude

F E D O R A

“coop”

Chapter Eleven

aw i love jimmy already—

WHAT THE FUCK COOPER

EXCUSE ME

JIMMY

WHAT

HOW COULD YOU

goddammit

what the fuck is cooper hiding

cooper oh my god

you

you’re playing a dangerous game, mate

are you really that heartless

“deceptively innocent eyes” you got that right

this chapter hurted

thanks a lot jess

Chapter Twelve

“like a weeping wound on the canvas of my home” this has got to be one of my favourite similes ever omg

the way nate’s describing cooper makes my heart hurt awh

i feel like butterflies have some sort of symbolism

maybe being ugly on the outside and beautiful on the inside, or vice versa? the vice versa was basically cooper lol

aye we finally get to meet audry!!

PEANUT BUTTER AND TRICYCLE I WANNA HEAR ABOUT THAT

i love audry omg

IT’S NATE’S BIRTHDAY?? HAPPY BIRTHDAY YA SMOKEY CONMAN

“bright eyes” is the cutest nickname ever

Chapter Thirteen

oh we’re back to 2080

wait what they’re trapped together

is this story gonna have a sad ending

please no

Chapter Fourteen

OH IT’S THE LINE ON THE COVER

i like that

nate’s back to where he left cooper

also if it wasn’t obvious before, it’s definitely obvious now that nate and cooper or gonna find each other again. hm. not sure how i feel about that

kind of pissed at cooper but also we need him for the story to progress

O H

COOPER IM ONLY KIND OF PISSED AT YOU NOW

IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE

NATE IVE SAID IT BEFORE BUT YOU’RE PRETTY CLEVER

also who is ‘her’?

COOPER WANTS TO BECOME A?? LEMNIS?? GODDAMMIT MAN

I CAN FEEL THE PRESSURE RISING

nate’s in danger

wow this chapter is

a lot

i need a break

-cue a break-

Chapter Fifteen

i’m back

eisley is a cool last name

oh wait so even people outside of sanctuaries can become a lemniscate

i’m still not 100% sure what a lemniscate is

it’s so ironic elijah’s last name is king, but i assume you did that on purpose. i also like the slight nod to royalty by his first name

COOPER’S BACK

why hello there

Chapter Sixteen

they’re

competing

to become a lemniscate

and one of them dies

do they fight back?? is that why they end up in prison??? so many thoughts are going through my head right now

nate, your fantasy about becoming a lemniscate is surprisingly dark. i’m totally down for it

Chapter Seventeen

oh wait so joshua is cooper’s blackmailer?? Interesting that it’s a lemniscate

i keep forgetting nate is wearing glasses

cooper, my dude, calm the fuck down. you’re gonna get yourself and nate killed

it’s the return of soft™ nate

Chapter Eighteen

oh there’s another one

oh this is very ominous i don’t like

Chapter Nineteen – Twenty-One

okay i was eating while i read so i couldn’t type here but just know that these chapters were really really good

Chapter Twenty-Two

wait fuck what’s happening this is all happening so fast

cooper brought out his gun,,,, it’s aimed at ivonne,,,,,,, they’re walking,,,

OH IT WAS A FAKE KIDNAPPING

nice

i like ivonne a lot

Chapter Twenty-Three

the entire story just changed course

this isn’t just about cooper and nate anymore, it’s about a corrupt government

NATE AND COOPER ARE HOLDING HANDS AS THEY RUN THROUGH THE BARRIER THAT’S SO ROMANTIC

also the line “only the dead are ever truly free” is beautiful

THAT’S WHERE PARIS COMES IN

THEY ALL GO TO FRANCE DON’T THEY

I’m so curious to find out where this story is going

Chapter Twenty-Four

this is doin me a confusion

but tbh these hints/ visions of the future, if you could call them that, are giving just enough information to keep me super interested. props to you

Chapter Twenty-Five

AUDRY STOP TEASING NATE

just joking keep doing it, this might actually get their relationship somewhere

ivonne is definitely my favourite character so far. she reminds a little of melia from xenoblade chronicles, in that they’re both ‘royalty’ that rebel. also they’re badass and smart

oh fuck the brother is here

okay thank god he’s not an asshole

oh god things are happening again

Chapter Twenty-Six

nate stop ogling at cooper when you’re in a life-or-death situation

holy shit the lemniscate are messed up

this crew is pretty great, it sucks that it’s almost the end of the book

WAIT I FORGOT THERE’S A SECOND COMING SOON HECK YEAH

anyway

YES COOPER PULL THROUGH

awwww yiss

Chapter Twenty-Seven

O H

oh my god i ship them so hard

THEY KISSED

THIS IS SO STEAMY

this chapter was art thank you so much for this

Chapter Twenty-Eight

AHAHAH AUDRY

once again, i’d like to state how much i love her

oh the tension just grew twentyfold

this is… great

oh god nate what are you planning, you just got together with cooper and now you want to leave him?

Chapter Twenty-Nine

what’s with all the dancing?

Chapter Thirty

oh god the description

so he’s going around and giving people credits, all the while confessing things that would help the lemniscate track him down. i assume this means he’s going to die, but why?

just what are you planning?

oh we’re back to clyde, the guy who started it all. it feels full circle

Chapter Thirty-One

HE’S MAKING HIS CHIP SHOW THAT HE’S DEAD

that’s much smarter

FUCK

NATE YOU IDIOT—COOPER’S REAL NAME

SHIT NOW KING IS HERE

everything’s going downhill now isn’t it

Chapter Thirty-Two

wait that took an even darker turn

there’s so much happening right now i can’thandlethis

cooper and nate are couple goals

Chapter Thirty-Three

king isn’t as horrible as i thought

still horrible, but not a monster

NEVER MIND YOU’RE A FUCKING MONSTER WHAT IS THIS BS

cooper

actually

shot

nate

Chapter Thirty-Four

OH MY GOD

WHAT

THIS IS HOW YOU END IT

I CAN’T

HOW DARE YOU

i need the next book

like right now

what the hell

Final Thoughts

okay so this book was SO good, and so well written. like damn

aside from that horrible ending how could you do this to me

i’m joking, it was an incredible and emotional ending, i loved it and hated it at the same time

it very rarely felt static, and especially in the first half, there was a good mix of action and backstory/description. it was never boring

the story is just,,, so unique. i seriously haven’t read anything like it, EVER

the world-building?? Is?? so vast?? and insane??

the increasing tension and speed as the story progressed is perfect, i felt my heart beating faster the more i read

anyway that’s all from me

this book was amazing i cannot wait for the next

#writeblr #other writeblrs #trade secrets #phahbiyah speaks

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queen-loyal · 6 years ago

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The Nightmare Chronicles

Prologue

If you have only just opened the page and picked up the book. Put it down and turn away. This is not a fairy tale story for amusement, this is about my life. This is the first warning.

My name is Narcissa Whitlock, I am 16 and on the run from the world. The story you are about to read is my life. I won’t go into detail for some things, mainly the gorey stuff that made even me squeamish. I will warn you, this story is not for the weak willed. If you want to continue you need to be strong. You have to be able to think things through and see it from every point of view. It will not be pretty and not easy. At first you won’t believe me, but everything is the truth.

If you continue, you MUST be on guard until you finish this tale of woe. It is not an easy road I travel. Oh and last warning, I have three gay best friends so if you don’t want to continue, that is your choice.

Each vision will get progressively worse and more gruesome as the tale goes on. So this is your last warning to turn around. Believe me it will be imperative you continue reading once you start reading.

So join me if you dare on this tale of woe and misfortune. Join me, my best friend, Damien, and my godparents on a trip around the world to save my mother and destroy my normal life. At least as normal as it could be when I get visions of murders and kidnappings. Enjoy my tale and hope you make it through the night. Have fun, you poor unfortunate soul.

Chapter 1

COLD, DEAD EYES STARED INTO mine. I struggled but after a while I realised it was futile. The ropes that bound me to the tree dug into my arms and I bit my lip withholding a wince of pain. My dark brown hair kept getting tangled in the bark of the oak tree that held me. The figure turned and walked away towards a small table a few feet away.

They picked something up that shined in the moonlight and then set it back down. The figure picked up something else and then set it back down on the table. They repeated this process before they finally settled on something. As they turned again to face me I realised they were a male in mid-twenties to early thirties. I caught sight of what was in his hands I screamed. I kept hoping someone would hear and save me as he got closer. The last thing I saw was the sadistic smirk on his face.

My eyes flew open and I released a panic filled scream. My hands flew across my body feeling for injuries. A sigh of relief slipped past my lips when I realised there were none. I threw the covers off and scrambled out of bed over to my desk. I quickly pulled out a sheet of computer paper, my colored pencils and charcoal and set to work. I quickly sketched what I could remember of the man. His eyes, in an icy shade of light blue, were filled with anger, hatred and disdain.

I finished sketching him and went to get ready for the day. I pulled my rainbow hair into a ponytail and I put on my favorite outfit. It was a black pleather skirt, a silver tank-top, a pair of black leggings and a black headband with cat ears on them. I grabbed my black high heeled boots and headed out my door. I was on about the 13th step from the bottom when I heard my mother sobbing. I raced the rest of the way down.

My mother sat sobbing on the couch while the news played on the television.

“... The body of a young woman was found tied to a tree in Aliso Canyon Park. Her body badly mutilated and her eyes were missing along with a few chunks of hair. Not much is known on who she is, the police are still trying to figure out what the motives are, who the killer is, and who is our mystery woman? If you have any Information please call XXX-XXX-XXXX, and you will be anonymous and it will help,” the woman spoke. “This is Laura Jones reporting at Aliso Canyon Park. Back to you Tom.”

I gritted my teeth in anger and slammed my fist into the power button causing my mother to jump. I plopped next to her and covered my eyes. We sat in silence for a few minutes, barely breathing.

“Did you see it?” Mom finally asked.

“Yeah, I just saw it a few minutes ago,” I replied.

“Sketched?” She wondered.

In response I stood up, pulled out my phone, and pulled up Steve’s number. I handed her my phone and headed upstairs to grab the sketch. I looked up at the feeling of being watched. I shook it off and headed downstairs. I never noticed the glint of metal and the same cold dead eyes I had seen in my dream/vision. I could hear my mom talking with Steve as I walked down the stairs. He was sitting on the couch with a rather portly fellow who looked out of place on our small couch. Steve spotted me and stood up. He was like a second dad to me after my dad died and even before then. He hugged me tightly and we only separated when the portly officer coughed.

“Ma’am we can arrest you for calling us here for no good reason besides a social visit,” The man sneered at me.

“Enough, Jones, you have been nothing but rude since we entered that door,” Steve snapped.

“Are we seriously trusting a 17 year old child to-” Jones started.

“Narcissa is the reason we have solved 48 cold cases in the past two years,” Steve snapped.

“SHE IS A CHILD!” Jones thundered, face red.

“Listen here, you fat fuck,” I snarled, my anger finally getting the best of me. “I have done more than you think I have. Now try me you pudgy bastard.”

Steve pulled me away and began muttering calming words to me while Mom tore into the other officer. When I was finally calm Steve told me to go get the sketch. I bolted up the stairs and grabbed the sketch. I turned around and felt shivers run up my spine. I whipped back around to look out the window and saw nothing. I shrugged it off, never knowing that that was a big mistake. I took the sketch downstairs and handed it over to Steve.

I also told him about the feeling earlier. Steve took the sketch and left with his partner. I collapsed on the couch and closed my eyes. A few minutes later a cold can was pressed against my neck causing me to jump a few feet in the air. I took the can of Sprite from my mother with a small smile. I leaned against her and glanced at the clock. 12:08 PM. I groaned as I stood up and headed up to my room to get changed into my work clothes. I bounced down stairs once changed.

I grabbed my keys, lightly jogged outside and headed to work. I won’t bore you with the details. After work I quickly changed and called up my best friend, Damien Blair.

“HEEEEY!” Damien shrieked.

“Ow, asshole,” I snapped.

“Sorry, Cissy, outta work?” Damien laughed.

“Yeah, meet me at the pool, dude?” I asked, trying to force the weird feeling creeping up my spine away.

“Hell, yeah, I’ll be at there in two minutes,” Damien stated as I pulled into the pool’s driveway. Damien pulled in shortly afterwards. I always keep a swimsuit and towel in my Impala. I met Damien at the door and we headed in together. I paid to have the pool all to ourselves for the next hour. I quickly changed into my neon green zebra striped bikini and paused in front of the mirror. Two fingers ghosted over the jagged scar on my stomach and I sighed. I had gotten it when a truck hit my Uncle’s jeep. I shook myself out of my reverie and headed to the pool. Damien had already hooked up his phone to a pair of speakers and started blaring Big Time Rush songs. I dove straight into the deep end, which is 12 feet deep, mind you. I surfaced a few seconds later and locked eyes with Damien. He stood there in a pair of swim trunks, his hair cut.

“You cut your hair? Without telling me?” I demanded, my eyes narrowed angrily.

“You like it?” he asked, twisting side to side.

I climbed out of the pool and sat on the edge next to Damien. He sighed and leaned against me, his tan fingers intertwined with mine. I sighed and leaned against him.

“So what have you been up to at work?” I asked softly,the sounds of country music in the background.

“Flirting with the new guy, perks of being the manager,” Damien replied as he released my hand.

We joked around and swam until an hour before the pool was scheduled to close. I pulled myself out of the pool and headed for my phone. Suddenly ice flooded my veins and the floor seemed to be rolling under my feet. My vision became tunneled and the noises echoed. I don’t know how long the attack lasted but when I came out of it Damien was standing next to me looking worried.

Let me know what you think. Be honest if you have ideas or an OC you want me to place in the story PM/DM or email. [email protected]. please dont steal my work I've worked really hard on this. Thank you!!!

#story #horrorstory #first time #first draft #gaycharacters

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annathetrickster · 7 years ago

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with the voting gauntlet finished, its finally time for me to get started on my playthrough of FE4: genealogy of the holy war, as promised. i’ll be sharing my thoughts on it as i go along with the game since i know ppl have really been looking forward to that. thanks for your patience and sorry its taken me so long.

if you haven’t played this game yet and you don’t want it spoiled for you, you can blacklist #54462 to be extra safe, even though i will be keeping all of my thoughts as well as any spoilers tucked away under a read more.

for those of you interested in playing the game for yourselves, here is a link to everything i used to get it all rolling.

emulator (i used the 2nd to last link)

japanese ROM

translation patch (instructions on how to use this are on the site)

with all that said, here are my thoughts and first impressions of FE4 so far.

whoa whoa slow down. one historical moment of noteworthy importance at a time.. i literally just started this game have mercy on me.

i don’t trust you, kurth. i don’t trust you and and i don’t trust your face.

and there he is. gotta say he looks pretty damn handsome in this for a 1996 game. he’s got the whole sailor moon villan/utena aesthetic working for him, 10/10.

ah yes, who could forget the YEET desert.

the man, the myth, the legend, sigurd himself.

handsome? yes. DILF tier? debatable. they went a little too yaoi faced for my liking, but he’s definitely handsome. 6.5/10.

“im 11 so shut the fuck up”

S̶͢͞͡T̴̴͞Ŗ͏́͜Ǫ̶̢͞N̷҉G̕͞ ̶̕͘A͡͠͝N͝D̸͘͟҉ ҉́͟͏Ţ͟͢͡͞O͏̵͏͝U͜҉Ǵ̵̷̷͠H̨̢͜͢͞

not sure what i expected tbh. i never thought i’d say arden looks more handsome in heroes but here we are.

the movement arrow is kind of extra when you think about it. a least they were kind enough to make the range more clearly visible unlike FE1.

you know, i’d imagine graphics would be a turn off for many newer players. personally though, i love this aesthetic. it reminds me of shining force 1 which was honestly the game that got me into turn based in the first place, so this style is right up my alley.

imagine how fucking broken the fact that horses could move again after attacking would be in heroes. its practically a built in galeforce by default. horse emblem would be immortal.

rip in pepperoni, character i had literally no way of reaching in 1 turn.

of course marriage is the first thing on his mind, just like the european settlers ‘married’ the native americans. seems legit.

i love me some older FE games, but this blatalant trend of “you are a helpless woman, therefore you are my prize” is one theme i could live without. not even FE7 is free of this sin. its unfortunately realistic of what would happen, sure, but im glad they did away with these kind of themes in the newer games.

but wait! theres more!

troubadors can wield swords here which is very nice since they’re one of my favorite classes tbh.

the maps are definitely as massive as i expected, at least this game throws you a bone by taking multiple turns to burn down villages because really there’s no way you’re getting to them anytime soon.

so ive been playing for a bit now and i still have no idea how you’re supposed to see whether you can double or not, speed seems to be irrelevant to it, or at the very least its not the usual 5 point difference.

i really can’t imagine someone going directly from awakening/fates to this and not being driven up a wall at this point. this is definitely one for the more advanced/veteran crowd.

update: it’s at least a 3 point difference.

update 2: more than a 1 point difference

there’s also the whole calculation of atk - def = damage that you have to do for yourself. similar to how echoes did it. i dont mind that so much it just takes some getting used to. i do prefer the streamlined experience of being shown exactly how much damage i’ll deal before combat since it just feels like a math lesson otherwise.

brigand: fucking burns a village right in front of sigurd’s face

well i didnt make it to this last one in time. hopefully i didnt miss anything important.

i was wondering why the enemies stand on top of the castle rather than in front of it, but now i have even more questions.

there’s also no way of reaching him, and i don’t feel like dragging literally the one character who isn’t on a horse down here to deal with this one boss so..

?? sieze the throne with... sword??

OHH

besiege: surround (a place) with armed forces in order to capture it or force its surrender; lay siege to.

literally the first time in my life i see this word, but it makes a lot more sense now obviously.

first you beseige then you seize. an added layer of complexity that wasn’t really needed but, i can see them possibly doing something fancy with this in a potential remake. it does add a level of realism though, like the castles aren’t just decorations on the map that the character stands in front of and walks into, but rather obstacles you have to overcome.

hey she’s he’s alive. also sigurd does not fuck around, noted.

great, castle siezed.. so what do i d-

castle #2: SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER

oh my god there are multiple castles to deal with. i remember seeing this mentioned somewhere now that i think about it, probably in an ask or something but wow. you better set aside an afternoon, grab a snack, and strap in kiddos because this is gonna be a long ride.

and of course there are reinforcements why wouldn’t there be reinforcements.

also keep in mind, this is literally the prologue, not even the first chapter of the game yet. i think i hear the sound of multiple awakening-first fans rage quitting and going to find a youtube playthrough to watch instead.

its pretty obvious from arvis’s tone that he can’t stand sigurd, and sigurd is seemingly oblivious to that fact.

things you normally take for granted in newer fe games: being able to tell your units apart.

lets play find the healer shall we?

there she is. maybe on a TV screen these would be easier to tell apart since this is a super nintendo game after all, but as a ROM its pretty much a process of elimination to find the blue one cavalry unit without an obvious weapon in their sprite.

the seemingly “overpowered” built in galeforce of being able to move again after attacking seems a lot less overpowered after playing for a bit and a lot more like a necessary ability. being able to tee off on enemies is pretty much the only way you’re able to clear these maps in any reasonable amount of time.

finally.

all that trouble and you’re basically trolled with ‘sorry your princess is in another castle’

i think that’s going to wrap it up for part 1. i have to say i was definitely not prepared for the sheer amount of time it takes to clear one chapter. i was hoping to knock out a few chapters and post my thoughts after that, but at this rate i’ll only be able to manage one chapter a day so we’ll see how it goes in the future.

so far i like the game, and to be fair i was warned of the length and difficulty several times. but as we saw with ddlc, i tend to ignore warnings. im sure i’ll get used to it more as i progress through the game but right now it seems like the perfect game to play this is when you’re tired, but can’t seem to get to sleep and you’re looking for something to watch or do until you can’t possibly keep your eyes open for another second. if you’re ever in that position, that’s when you should fire this up.

i can definitely see it being offputting to a lot of newer fans, but im stubborn as hell and take this kind of thing as a personal challenge so i’ll definitely be doing my best to step up to the challenge and complete this game rather than backing down.

if you have any questions regarding the game or want to get my thoughts on a certain part of it i just ask that you try to keep it as spoiler free in your question as possible. or just use the reply feature instead.

thanks much for reading.

#thoughts #fire emblem #54462 #this was quite a ride honestly

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opendoorlorien · 7 years ago

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I'm curious what are ur thoughts on Takumi? I personally don't like him, but I always give ppl the chance to try to change my mind abt him

lol I had a feeling sooner or later that someone was goingto ask me my opinion on this kid. OKAY BUCKLE UP. There’s no way I can be brieftalking about a character like him so here we go.

Takumi is without a doubt one of the more complex andlayered character of Fates (but not the most, no, that honor would go to Xander.But Takumi is definitely just behind him.) This is a great and welcome change fromAwakening where most of the cast just were as they were and didn’t have anydevelopment or character arcs or great change for better or for worse duringthe entire story (the only ones who really did are Chrom (a bit), some villainsif you count spotpass which is barely canon, and perhaps Lucina a tad). Fatescranked this up quite a bit with many of the royal family members going throughgreat character arcs for better and for worse in both routes, and some nonmain/royal characters who have smaller—but still powerful and significant—charactermoments… some being only for the worse (like Flora and Gunter to a similarextent).

But the real question here is how I feel about Takumispecifically. And I don’t suppose that’s really a simple question to answer (Ialso figure you sent me this ask bc you want to see me analyze him and talk indepth about his character lol. So I’ll do that a bit here too instead of justgiving my opinion.) For one I actually really like complex and multi layeredcharacters. I tend to avoid or disregard the ones that don’t really haveanything going for them (I feel like if Kaze didnt have all his character stuffI might not have liked him as much. If anything it really works to his benefiton how he appeals to me (and a reason why I like him better than say, Frederick)). So as long as a character is complex and goes throughsome nice development, even if I dont like their personality, it’s hard for meto at least not respect how they were written as a character, you know.

And I think that describes how I feel about Takumi too lol.NOW DONT GET ME WRONG, I definitely don’t hate him in any sense of the word.It’s just that……… I don’t like tsunderes lol. And here I’m going to usetsundere here as an umbrella term for “a character who is mean to you but doesn’treally hate you, necessarily”. Fates actually has a few of these characters invarying levels of intensity: Saizo, Rinkah, Selena lololol. And Takumi is oneof them too. But honestly I like to give Takumi the benefit of the doubt herebecause among them all, he’s has the most understandable and relateable reasons for acting the way he does to you. Like Saizo is an ass just because lol (I get his pricklypersonality also stems from how he was brought up and the position he wasmeant to fill and everything but geez dude CHILL). Rinkah is an even worse casehere since she’s just very angry and snippy to everyone bc LOL FLAME TRIBE GETIT!? SHE’S LIKE FIRE LMAO. AND THAT MEANS SHE’S ANGRY LOLOLOLOLOOL.

And while I generally dislike tsunderes (or at least maletsunderes because I find they’re generally more harsh and brutal to you), I’mwilling to give Takumi a pretty big benefit of the doubt here because of what MADEhim the way he is. He has a LOT of reasons why he developed his harsh and coldattitude toward strangers. I feel like most people who dislike or even hateTakumi have no compassion for what he went through and just disregard it asirrelevancy. Like they’re just either unwilling or unable to understand him. AndI get it, like sometimes you’ll come across a character that you can’t findyourself liking no matter what. But I feel like when you understand whereTakumi’s coming from and what made him this way, he becomes MUCH less of a shitand much easier to sympathize with.

Okay so a lot of people give Takumi shit in his firstappearance for being really mean to both you and Azura. Like literally thefirst thing you hear him say (outside of the weird dream battle in the prologue)is that he doesn’t trust you or Azura and he’s not really going to give you achance. Now the game doesn’t really explain why he’s so harsh to you from theget go (which is why I think people get upset with Takumi and his first real appearance gives you a bad impression of him from the start), but guess what he actually has a legit reason for how he acted here. I’m not going to go superdeep into why, but instead I’m going to recommend you watch the Fates drama CD.More specifically the Birthright one which recounts chapters 4ish to 6 in Fates,from mostly Takumi’s perspective. And these tracks humanize him WONDERFULLY andexplains and justifies PERFECTLY his attitude toward you in his firstappearance AND afterward. Like Takumi actually REALLY did want to like you, getfamiliar with you as his family, and form a relationship and a bond with you.Just… a lot of unfortunate things kept getting in the way. It’s DEFINITELY wortha watch and honestly just tore at my heart strings, and put a lot of things in perspectiveand set up the beginning of Takumi’s character arc perfectly. Long story short?It’s all Saizo’s fault lol.

Takumi gets his best development and most exploration ofcharacter ironically in Conquest. Also, personally, I just find Conquest to,generally, be the best written of all three routes. Yes Takumi does have somemoments in Birthright, but they either exist for eerie foreshadowing for whatwill happen in Conquest

or they just aren’t written that well.

sigh.

And when I play Birthright, I find that is the route I enjoyTakumi the least. Yes my feelings are still far far away from hate. But whenhe’s not pushed into the extreme downward spiral situation like he is inConquest, he just ends up acting like a snippy tsundere. I mean even toward hisfamily and very late in the game too he keeps acting this way with theoccasional snarky comment or “more harsh than he meant it to comeoff” remark. Which wore on me a little bit but nowhere near as much asSaizo or Rinkah’s constant mean attitude. Takumi’s support with MU is also agood example of this. And since M!Corrin is canon with BR, and F!Corrin iscanon with Conquest, I think Takumi’s support was written with M!Corrin inmind, no matter which one you pick. Which is why I think he acts so mean to youin that support.

Despite my gripes with Birthright, the one valuable thing itdoes show us about Takumi’s character is his dorky side. Because this boy is adork lol. And this is actually a surprising, but also very welcoming, side ofhis character to see. I don’t think Takumi’s tsundere side is who he is. It’sjust an unfortunate byproduct of his inferiority complex and ptsd from Corrinbeing taken away and leaving a huge void in the family. It’s not who he is. Andin Birthright we really get to see more of Takumi’s better side in a morecasual and less extreme environment in supports with other people in the army.We get to see firsthand he’s actually a very sweet, kind and well meaning boy.Yall haven’t forgot that DAD IS ON THE WAY comment right lol. Takumi is verypure of heart and its really nice to see this part of him in BR. Like, look, he is a NERD

(lol Kaze lurkin in that img I didnt even notice)

AND in his support with Oboro when she makes some clothes and asks his opinion he says “this gets the Takumi seal of approval” AND do you remember how he pushes Leo’s back and brings him closer to the group in that very last cutscene of Rev? YEAH

In my Revelations opinion piece where I talked aboutcharacters, I mentioned the four big ones who get the most development andcharacter focus in this game, those being: Xander, Ryoma, Leo and Takumi. Nowthese four are similar in that they both kind of have a good end character arcand a bad end character arc depending on whether you’re playing BR or Conquest.Like Xander gets his best end in Conquest while BR is his WORST.

So, naturally, the same is applicable for Takumi whereConquest leads to his bad end. Or… does it?

Now everything here begins with Anankos. It’s never actuallyofficially stated anywhere exactly WHEN Takumi was first possessed by him, butif I were going to put my two cents in, I would say it happened when Mikotodied in chapter five. Now going back again to the drama CD, we get to see morehere just how deeply this affected Takumi. In the game Takumi only talks to youpost battle in chapter five where he just screams curses and blame at you. Ifyou don’t know where he’s coming from, this also puts him in a kind of badlight. But the drama CD gives us another more focused account on what Takumiwent through in the direct aftermath of Mikoto’s death and its really notpretty. And if there was any perfect time to want to brainwash this kid, itwould have been here.

Now Leo and Takumi are sort of similar as characters in thatthey kind of have the same problems and struggles. Like they both haveinferiority complexes, and are desperate to live up to their over achieving siblingsect. I think the most important part where they differ—and why Takumi waspossessed and not Leo—is that Leo has his pride. I feel like he has less selfdoubt than Takumi and a higher opinion of himself than Takumi does of himself.(I’m also sure Leo’s magic power helped to stave Anankos’ influence off a bit).Takumi was also put in more extreme situations than Leo was. Keeping in mindTakumi is kind of weak of constitution and has a low opinion on himself, andthat he just saw the woman he’s known as his mother killed before his eyes,gives us more than enough reasons for him to fall hard victim to Anankos’influence here lol.

When you take into consideration everything that happens toTakumi in Conquest, its honestly not hard to understand why he became this way.Firstly, I believe Anankos’ endgame goal here was to kill Takumi, and as soonas possible. For whatever reason, Anankos can’t completely control someoneunless they’re dead first (as evidenced by all the other people he controlslike Sumeragi, Arete, the people of Valla, Garon too—though its not really madeclear to us how or when he died).

Like, we don’t get this

until Anankos hassuccessfully pushed Takumi beyond the breaking point and gets him killed.

Before then Takumi is very angry sure, but he’s stillhimself to at least some extent. He’s not ‘completely lost’.

So what Anankos did instead to further his agenda wasamplify Takumi’s emotions of anger, rage and hate and push him to the breakingpoint. I think Anankos actually kind of sees himself in Takumi because theyboth had similar issues and personal downfalls, and that added with Takumialready being kind of mentally weak and vulnerable, was the perfect recipe fordisaster here.

In Conquest, Takumi suffers. A lot. Think about all of thisfor a second. He fights and loses to you in chapter 10 which, in his mind, allowsyou to move forward and attain greater power that he knows you’re going to useto harm his friends and family in Hoshido. And him losing to you only adds tohis inferiority complex because he was unable to stop you. In chapter 13 afterhe loses to you, Hans goes on a bloody killing spree, brutally taking the livesof Orochi, Reina and Scarlet. And Takumi has NO reason to think you didn’t havea hand in either helping Hans or allowing him to go through with it. And thelast time you see him alive in chapter 23, you’ve just started your invasion ofHoshido, have captured Sakura, her retainers, and Yukimura, and you’ve just gotdone killing Oboro and Hinata—because let’s not mince words here, they do die inchapter 23. So, honestly, taking all this into account, even WITHOUT Anankosbuffing his rage, Takumi has every right to act as angry and frustrated withyou as he does in Conquest. And anger blinds.

And all of that finally culminates to Takumi DOING A FLIPoff the Great Wall of Suzanoh. And nowthat he is dead, Anankos has more control over him. Based on what we see ingame I don’t think Anankos can 100% control a person like a puppet, but more orless influence their extreme negative desires. When we see characters likeTakumi or Garon as a goo zombie, they don’t even mention Anankos by name, impliedor otherwise. When you see Takumi again he’s gone FULLMADNESS and his onlydesire is to kill you, which were his biggest defining thoughts when he wasalive in Conquest, now pushed beyond to the extreme now that he’s dead and completelyunder Anankos’ influence. He’s basically just a zombie made out of nothing buthate and the desire to kill you. I actually think Anankos probably wanted touse him as a trump card just in case you ended up stopping Garon, which you did.

Luckily we still got the power of love to contend with here.The ‘dream sequence’ at the very end of Conquest does wonders for both Takumiand the viewer. Like, even if you DON’T like him, you had to have feltsomething here. What both Corrin and Takumi needed in this route more thananything, but didn’t get the chance to do until now, was to TALK IT TF OUT. Andtalking it out can really do wonders. Takumi in this dream sequence appears toyou as his truest self and is able to give to you all of his honest to goodnessfeelings and smooth things over for the most part. And as a bonus he infusesYato with some Fujin Yumi goodness so you’re all good. (Which, now that I think about it, is some kind of symbolism with him truly forgiving you, apologizing to you, and giving his heart to you)

The Conquest finale will always be incredibly special to me.Because unlike in every other FE endgame where you just kill a transparentlyevil big bad dragon (or in Sacred Stone’s case—SATAN) after all the horrible,cruel, bloody and nasty stuff you went through in Conquest, after hitting rock bottomafter rock bottom, the last thing you do in the route is fight to save someone’ssoul. And that is honestly so powerful to me, and a reason why I’ll alwaysprefer Conquest over BR or Rev.

That’s more or less all I have to say about Takumi opinionswise. He is a very extreme character, and because of some of his actions inConquest I can understand people not liking him. But, much like Xander, he is avery complex and layered character who has a lot going on for him. He’sdefinitely not one of those characters you can just write off at first glancewithout trying to understand what makes him who he is, and why he acts theextreme ways that he does, and understand the reasons why he does the thingsthat people give him flack for.

It’s definitely okay not to like him if you don’t want to—I appreciatehim a lot as a character but I could really take or leave his tsundere side—buthate him or not, you got to admit he’s one of the best characters in this game.If everything you read here didn’t change your opinion on him or cause you tosympathize more with him, then I gotta recommend you go watch/listen to thatDrama CD because like I said, it really does WONDERS for Takumi as a character,explaining where he’s coming from, his stand points on things, and explaininghis volatile attitude toward you. He really doesn’t hate you at all, butsometimes people can let their emotions get the worst of them without meaningto—and when a centuries old evil helldragon is controlling you, it’s honestlyno wonder things got so bad, right.

And, all in all, TAKUMI DID NOT DESERVE THIS SUFFERING AND HE DESERVED SO MUCH MORE AND DESERVES HAPPIEST END

Also here’s a link to that drama CD on youtubePart OnePart Tworecommended tracks if you dont want to watch the entire thingVol 1. Track 2Vol 2. Tracks 4-6 and 8CHECK IT OUT

#Anonymous #inquiries #opinion piece #I can understand where people can be coming from when they dislike Takumi #since he can be a very extreme and volatile character #but honestly I think there's no real legit reason to ACTUALLY hate him #like he's just a goodboy who happened to be pulled down into a whirlpool of suffering #none of this is his fault at all you know he just got wrapped up in super bad circumstances #I cant imagine anyone still hating him after understanding where he comes from #also if you're too lazy to watch the drama CD #long story short when Corrin first came to Hoshido Takumi wanted to be friendly and nice with you #he didnt remember you bc he was too young but he wanted you to feel welcome here and form a bond with you #BUT THEN FUCKING SAIZO SHOWS UP #and you want to know why this is bad?#because Saizo saw you at that Hoshidan outpost at the bottomless canyon #and he SAW you with the Nohr family #and you know what Saizo does with this information?#HE TELLS TAKUMI and sows seeds of doubt and mistrust in Takumi #he's like 'I saw Corrin with Nohrian royals so he might have come into Hoshido as a spy'#like I get its his job to be wary and cautious of these things but SAIZO #why did he have to tell Takumi you know out of everyone lol #that's why Takumi is wary of you at first #a lot of other things happen too which just add on to it #its an avalanche effect #writing this kinda made me emotional about Takumi though he deserves happy end #also if yall actually read all my ramblings and give two hecks about my blatherings then thank u lol #idk if people really care to read 3k word character analyses by me though #idk if my opinion on things holds any weight but here it is lol

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jmkitsune · 6 years ago

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lyraeon

replied to your post

“took me 7 years…but i finally finished Dream Drop Distance :3I somehow...”

Not to be like that but I'm fairly sure all of KH is so convoluted that nothing shy of actually watching a playthrough or at least the cut scenes COULD spoil any of it :P

I know you said- not to be like that but I’ve seen A LOT of people shitting on the convoluted story with KH3 just released and I’ve kept quiet til now cause “meh whatever let em think what they want” this is not meant SPECIFICALLY AS “rawr don’t shit on my game series” but more a “I hear people...but a lot of people are looking at it...MAYBE too myopically)

so yeah sorry Ly...this is not directed at you...but also yeah XD I have been wanting to say something like this since....well probably a LOT longer than I know because I’m surrounded by people who either SHIT ON the series OR admit- they just button mash and thats it- they dont care and it breaks me inside as a story teller SOOOOOO INCOMING RANT TO THE VOID

I’m going to be honest,

I’ve played the games since release, and I streamed BBS, KH1, 2 CoM on twitch (play throughs are on yt for anyone who wants to binge those :D- shameless self plug here) and JUST finished Dream Drop Distance (when I streamed the other ones I played in chrono order not release) so as of now I’ve played from BBS-3D in chrono and release order, I still gotta do the last two parts of 2.8 before starting 3.

and before I dive too deep I’m gonna preface this all by saying

when people say its convoluted-

YES it is, no question, this is a series told OVER a decade spanning many games. Its gonna be messy for a lot of people especially those casual gamers who don’t play games for deep story they play to escape. I get ya- this isn’t for you, have fun gaming ^.^

BUT is it SO convoluted it takes too much to understand if you WANT to?

ok now that I made sure to not DESTROY people’s dash boards--- ON WITH THE SHOW

I don’t think so

I’d even argue FF7 and KH series ON THE WHOLE (like when mapped out beat for beat story wise) so far are pretty equally convoluted but yet EVERYONE LOVES FF7 in spite of its extremely deeply convoluted story.

I think the MAIN difference was that FF7 relied heavily on explicit unreliable narration. In Cloud being the (redacted reason for spoilers) protagonist (seriously, it may be an old game but I’m not gonna spill the beans go play it to find out, this allowed for A LOT of exposition to be given naturally and also for “plot holes” to be filled in as the game progressed when we see “what really happened” when we did. I truly think that HINDSIGHT and that revealed knowledge is why SO MANY clamor that FF7 is the BEST in the Final Fantasy series when to many- its really not, its a great game but certainly not the best (as seen from the STARK as fuck divide in the fanbase over it’s expanded chapters (crisis core, dirge of cerberus, Advent Children, etc)

KH does not do this entirely, they instead rely on a “childlike” narrator (which is still unreliable but I’d argue a different kind) Sora is 14/15 in the first game, so through HIS journey alone we’re seeing the world from his perspective and ITS A LOT TO TAKE IN but even in DDD everyone kinda points out ...SORA IS A BIT OF A DUNCE lol I attribute the story telling to that, cause in BBS when we play as Ventus/Terra/Aqua- its not as confusing sometimes, cause these players are older, so the world is already understood by them, nothing is really NEW, whats new is their personal blossoming philosophies conflicting with the world they are now thrown into

they’ve studied it but never PARTAKEN in it vs Sora...who literally wakes up in another world carrying magic mcguffin after a giant mother fucking eldritch creature with a gaping hole in it’s torso swallows HIS home world (its not spoiling it’s literally the tutorial/prologue of the game)

the other thing- where FF7 had 3 discs (which back in the way back days) was SHOCKING (until Star Wars came out with their 4 disc KOTOR/KOTOR 2 for the PC) like 3 discs for 1 story? wtf man?

KH so far in their series has had -

BBS (3 character’s stories over the course of I think a few weeks)

KH1- 10 years later following a new boy with no prior knowledge of what was going on prior to his story, and this takes place over nearly a year

358/2 days- runs relatively overlapping with Chain of Memories, buut starts 7 days before due to the fact it starts in the final act of KH1

KH2- picking up where said above two games leave off, wrapping up the arc of the Organization and reuniting Sora/Riku/Kairi together at home another year has passed

Coded (not needed but is part of the main timeline) happening I’m guessing in a SHORT as fuck span of time

Dream Drop Distance- taking place between 2 and 3 as a bridge cause it shows Riku and Sora finally hitting a maturing point- they take the tests to be LEGIT keyblade warriors

7 main games over 7 “discs” honestly I like that what they did for us was gave us over time the

1.5, 2.5 and 2.8 remixes cause that condensed ALL that into “3 discs” (JUST LIKE ff7- also mind you, the thing I’d even stress- imagine if Square Enix tried to compress ALLLL this story back when KH1 started, like it’d be too much, this story needs to be digested slowly. LIKE another LONG running series (that for the most part - MANY PEOPLE love (Game of Thrones? Homestuck? ANY anime that started back in the toonami days and isn’t done (look at you Dragon Ball)

GRAND stories take time, video games just were normally NOT that format to showcase such a spectacle...hell Final Fantasy which is like...what? nearly 20 games (including side ones) but only...2 of the “main numbered” games have sequels, the rest are not connected plot/world wise.

being a writer I probably could do all that Kingdom Hearts has done in the form of

the five act plot vs the 3 act structure we are used to (see Dramatic Structure)

normally people are used to a 3 act structure (Exposition, Rising Action, Climax)

but so far I see KH serie as a 5 act structure (below)

Exposition - BBS (explaining the world and following 3 people well versed in it for the reader to fall into it and be ready for the next step)

Rising Action - Kh1/358days/CoM (Sora is plucked from his world and thrown into a larger one, on the way he learned about the dark and the light, growing and preparing to fight it as he feels he is part of something bigger than himself)

Climax - KH2/Coded/3D (this part is guess work) we see the “end” of Sora’s growth, the boy we started with is grown and all in, we see him and Riku raising up to their peak to fight the darkness only for the ending of 3D to reveal that the end isn’t the end,

Falling Action <- this part here I think is going to be ALL of Kh3, the falling action, that stripping away of all things built up with the end in sight

Denouement/Resolution/Catastrophe- and here is where the series will end...however that is be it ONE MORE GAME or...the climax of KH3? I dunno we’ll see

SO YEAH....long story short...Kingdom Hearts IS LONG but like ANY OTHER long standing story with deep, and expansive lore- consumption can’t be done in one go. It’s not for casual consumption, at least the story isn’t. Many people play it and give ZERO shits about the lore/story/etc....and honestly I can’t with those people I literally don’t comprehend it but thats on me not them

BEFORE I LOSE MY TRAIN I END THIS RANT HERE

#lyraeon

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burgermiester · 8 years ago

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Grinding Renown Made Fun!*

*Grinding for Renown in Fire Emblem Awakening is never really fun. Its tedious, and if you want to max it out it will take many, many hours. This guide is just to show you how I made it as fun as I could while still keeping it relatively fast and efficient. Maybe you will want to try it for yourself or make a variation based on what you like.

(also note that my method uses a lot of the DLC so if you dont have at least Lost Bloodlines 2 and Smash Brethren 2 for Dread Fighter and Bride then it probably wont work very well, but maybe you can modify it, I am not sure. It also would probably be nice to have Lost Bloodlines 3 for Paragon and I liked having all stats +2 from Champions of Yore 3 but those 2 arent necessary)

For starters I want to be very clear that everyone knows this isnt technically the fastest way to grind renown. The fastest way to grind renown is exactly what it says on the wiki: make a ton of money on golden gaffe then summon a weak/cheap character, pay to recruit them, then dismiss them, repeat 2000 times. I tried doing this on a file where I was at endgame and I found it terribly boring, which in turn meant it was not the fastest way for me to grind renown since it would take me forever to find the energy to do it.

So when deciding how I wanted to grind renown for myself I had a few objectives: fight the spotpass characters, not buy them, and make fighting them as quick as possible; minimize the number of spaces that a spotpass character could spawn when I summon them to cut down on walking around the world map; minimize the number of times that I go into the wireless menu to make it easier to multitask (basically it was harder to watch movies or tv in the background using the fastest method since its so menu heavy, so I wanted to cut that time spent down); if possible, completely eliminate the need to manage items on my units. I solved all these issues and these are the steps of my method (the Miester Method?):

Step 0: Grind supports before you even start grinding renown. Grinding out supports is much more interesting than grinding renown. You get new dialogue after most fights and a lot of it is interesting. Just make sure you are grinding on spotpass characters instead of risen since spotpass fights/purchases give the most renown, that way you are maximizing your gains for when you run out of supports to grind and are ready to move onto proper renown grinding.

Step 0.1: Pray your past self really loved playing Awakening. Just having played the game a lot normally will put you in a nice starting position. By the time I finished support grinding gen 1 and moved on to renown grinding I was at nearly 45,000 renown, close to half of the 99,999 max. I cant recall how much of that was support grinding on spotpass characters and how much was there from just playing a ton of Awakening, I forgot to check, but both helped.

OK, now on to the actual steps for renown grinding.

Step 1: Start a new game. You arent challenging yourself here so just go normal casual.

Step 2: Play the game up until Chapter 8 (but dont play chapter 8.) Also beat Paralogues 1 and 3 but not 2. This should have your world map looking like this:

The reason you want to do this is because it leaves your world map with exactly 10 empty spaces in which to summon spotpass characters. As 10 is the maximum number of spotpass units you can summon at once, having 10 spots on the map lets you spend the least amount of time in the wireless menu. Its also good to not allow more than 10 free spots because every extra square you add means more time wasted walking across the map. This is why its not a good idea to do this grinding at endgame: you could be on Donnel’s island and summon a bunch of spotpass units in Valm and vice versa.

Now, as for why I picked prologue-chapter 7 and paralogue 1 and 3 over other choices for my 10 map spots, it mostly came down to map layout. They are all small early game chapters that take only 2-3 turns to beat on auto battle most of the time. Paralogue 2 was much too big and would take more turns to beat and Chapter 8 is full of turn adding desert. Remember, youll be fighting MANY battles in these maps, an extra turn or two each time translates to hundreds of extra turns in the long run. That being said, I want to emphasize that if you havent gotten lucky getting second seals from the random shop annas, you should play chapter 8. Chapter 8 gives you Gregor and another second seal, Gregor is especially important because hes got armsthrift without using a second seal (more on that in a bit). I had already gotten 1 other second seal from Anna by the time I got to chapter 7 so I chose to not play chapter 8, whether or not you do is up to you. If you choose to play chapter 8 then you need to cut either paralogue 1 or 3. Paralogue 1 is a smaller map so will be more likely to give you a 2 turn clear over paralogue 3′s 2-3 turn clear, but paralogue 3 gives you a store with access to javelins and hand axes, two weapons that are very nice to have.

Step 3: Build an Army. Trust Armsthrift. Now its time to prepare your team. The maximum number of units youll need to field in any of these battles is 9. If you go under 9 youll need to waste time in battle prep deselecting units, and we dont want that, so getting to 9 units is important. To eventually get to a point where you never need to buy items for your units youll want armsthrift on your whole team. Unfortunately theres a few hurdles to jump to make this happen since we only are at chapter 7/8. First, we dont have our full team to pull from and second we cant buy second seals. Naturally we will need to get as many spotpass units with armsthrift as we can, but only 5 come with armsthrift: Malice, Linus, Ike, Roy, and Ogma. This means youll need 4 second seals to get a full armsthrift team. Robin, Cordelia, Donnel, and spotpass characters can reclass to mercenary this way. You will have one second seal from renown rewards meaning you need 3 more from anna shops (or only one if you choose to do chapter 8 and get Gregor and another second seal.) Chrom is a good temporary member while you train up your team since he has an unbreakable weapon, but sadly its only 1-range which is not going to cut it since enemies will always attack him at 2 range making battles last at least 1 turn longer than they would otherwise. As for the actual training, do Yore 3 over and over to collect all skills plus 2 for everyone and gain levels to be better prepared for Bloodlines 2 and 3 which are a bit tougher but also get better rewards (and youll be doing Bloodlines 2 a hell of a lot to get all the dread scrolls youll need to reset levels until everyone has max luck.) Bear in mind you will need limit break to go over 50 luck, but just capping it normally or even just pushing it into the 40s then giving all your dread fighters and brides a full inventory of hand axes or javelins will make it so that your stops at the armory are few and very far between.

(optional step: if you have golden gaffe then once your units are decently strong run it 5-10 times and then never think about money again)

Step 4: Setting up the grind. By now you are ready to fire up a couple of rounds of proper spotpass grinding. You might want to wait until you have a full team of limit broken armsthrifters but I recommend waiting a bit, I will explain why in a sec. So I will now give the rundown on the actual grinding that will probably become auto-pilot like for you before too long. Open the wireless menu, go to bonus box and bonus teams and summon 10. If your team isnt maxed out then I say pull the first 5 from one game and the first 5 from another, just to be sure you wont run into anything that kills you. You are on casual, so its not normally a big deal if a unit dies in this process, but if its Chrom or Robin its a game over, and even if its not thats stopping for a text box which slows you down. I recommend the shadow dragon and binding blade teams because there are no cleric/troubadour team leaders who slow things down by not killing themselves on your units and theres no armor knight leaders (and few armor knight other units) who sometimes add turns by not making it to your units as quickly in the bigger maps. Dont save after every battle, it adds like 3 seconds each time, just do it after every cycle (10 battles). If your units are over the 50 luck line give them their best weapons and let them go to town. If they are under 50 then give them a full set of hand axes for dread fighters and javelins for brides and they will last dozens of cycles before you need to restock their inventory. If you are still using Chrom and/or another non armsthrift unit then make sure they are at the 9th slot on your team so they dont go into most fights. Then just turn off and skip all animations and phases and set auto battle to blitz and auto battle every turn, forever.

Step 5:

Step 6: Break up the Monotony. This is the crux of the Miester Method. Summoning a full set of 10 spotpass units and killing them with a very strong team will take ~8 minutes and net you 500 renown. From 0 renown thats closing in on 24 hours of still very repetitive grinding (now you see why I recommend you grind supports first, if you can get close to 50k renown before beginning actual renown grinding youve cut that time in half). Some people might not find level grinding to be a sufficient break in the monotony but for me leveling up in awakening, especially if your units have Paragon, is very fast and fun and rewarding. I might even go so far as to say that building super units is the most fun part of Awakening’s gameplay. So what I recommend is every 15 minutes or so (2 cycles of 10 spotbass battles roughly) head back to dlc land and power up somebody. Get another dread scroll to reset the level of someone with a lot more stats to cap then run them through Bloodlines 3 solo to gain like 20 levels in 5 minutes. Then pop back to the world map and do another cycle of spotpass renown grinding. When enough of your units are close to max stats try and start taking on Rogues and Redeemers 3 to get limit break for everyone and start getting luck to 50. Once they are at 50 luck you can throw your ultimate bonus box weapons like book of naga and mjolnir on them and they will never break and you wont need to mess with their inventory ever again. Try to be going back and forth this whole time too: do a few spotpass cycles, then grab a limit break skill, back and forth. Once everyone has limit break on them go for capping every single stat on every unit. This will take a while because some of them really dont want to get points of magic and/or resistance. So back and forth now between cycles of spotpass and getting more dread scrolls and resetting levels to try to get that res. Everytime one of my units maxed all stats I gave them a forged weapon to celebrate. I ran out of characters to cap before I finished renown grinding so I then broke up my cycles running Infinite Regalia to try and get a ragnell for Ike and a second Gradivus for my second Bride. By the time that was done, I had less than 20k renown to go, and so I was ready to buckle down and sprint to the finish line. That last 20k wasnt even all that bad because I felt like only now was I really in a total grind, breaking up the monotony for the majority of the experience really helped make it more fun for me. Hopefully it makes it easier for you too!

Step 7: !!!VERY IMPORTANT!!! Once you finish Renown grinding you need to beat the game on that save file or it wont carry over on new files!!!! So do that. It will be....very easy.

I dont expect it will take more than an hour.

Once its over, congratulations! You are now W o r l d R e n o w n!

#fire emblem #renown #fire emblem gameplay #awakening #guide #long post

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December 14th, 2017 CTP Archive

The archive for the Comic Tea Party chat that occurred on December 14th, 2017, from 5PM - 7PM PST. The chat focused on Zaltera by Morgan Mudway (aka Tri).

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✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

Good day everyone~! This week’s Comic Tea Party is now officially beginning. Today we are discussing Zaltera by Morgan Mudway (aka Tri)~! (http://zalteracomic.com/) For those new to CTP, discussions about the comic are freeform, so please feel free to bring up whatever you wish. However, every 30 minutes I will be dropping in a discussion question to help those who would like a prompt. These questions are totally OPTIONAL to answer so pay them no mind if you wish~! Remember, constructive criticism is allowed, but the primary focus here is to have fun and appreciate the amazing comics that the community makes~! Each chat a top comment will be picked and featured on an ad for this chat, so let’s have a great discussion~!

With that said, let us begin with this first question~!

QUESTION 1. What is your favorite scene in the comic so far and why?

snuffysam

Hey everyone!

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

hey snuffysam~!

snuffysam

I'd say the latest chapter (prologue part 2), and the pages leading up to it. It really helps sell the point that there are multiple sides to this story.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

yes. i really like how different in tone both prologues are as well. the first prologue came off to me as kind of aggressive and hostile. where the second part just feels more sorrowful and lamenting. and i think that works in a big way to show how each different species is

snuffysam

yeah that was a big aspect of why i liked it

wishjacked

I actually really loved that first prologue, I don't know if it counts as a single scene but I thought it was very masterfully written and, especially, drawn

I usually don't like BACKSTORY openings at all, but I thought it worked super well to show off the creator's skills and it definitely got me hooked.

also, hey guys!! long time no see!!

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

nice to see you as well wishjacked

wishjacked

oh yeah, very good point, Rebel!!

even the way the colors/greyscales were used contrasts the two stories really well.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

yes. although i like theres a contrast between the prologues and actual story too. i think it helps the prologues really stand apart so you dont need to know theyre prologues. you can just guess from the visuals by comparison what they are.

the visuals are also just masterfully done

snuffysam

yeah i was impressed by the visuals throughout, but especially prologue 1.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

yeah i was too. also partly because the writing was very good too. going in i was skeptical cause my experience is that the comics that tend to go the more artsy root suffer in the story department. i definitely didnt feel that way at all this time tho.

snuffysam

Even our main characters feel pretty well-developed, and they've only gotten one chapter of screentime each.

wishjacked

the page in the first prologue where the Zarians find their murdered child was one of the best I've seen, I thought it was a very difficult page to pull of visually and it hit all the right notes. that's been a recurring element through the art, though-- it says a LOT even when very little it actually happening. really, really wel done

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

oh that is a good page, though i liked it for a different reason. for me that was the moment where the two sides aspect was really hammered in. cause the wording was very specific in that all it says was "we found one of our children murdered in cold blood in the streets."

it does not say who murdered that child tho

its implied to be the avolians of course

but the fact theres no direct accusation is kind of telling

wishjacked

yes!!

I thought it was great that even though the first prologue was obviously biased, the wording IS always vague enough that everything can be read multiple ways!!

really keeps interpretation open, it keeps the tension going really nicely and keeps the prologues from feeling "finished" and unimportant

snuffysam

that's a good point. so did people at the time know the truth, and this is just a biased version of history? or were the zarians confused from the get go?

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

yes. i really just think this comic nailed the vagueness as you say. cause this does help it reach its themes very easily. cause a lot of it definitely feels like they are stories being told by someone and not some objective narrator.

and thats a good question

id assume the zarians were confused from the get go

i mean the truth could be a lot of stuff

it could be that some zarian did it to spark a war, could be an avolian did it to spark a war, could have been an accident and no one would own up to it

very many possibilities(edited)

snuffysam

true true. there was probably even some propaganda involved

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

yeah thats a good point

i mean its a story

so maybe never even happened at all

QUESTION 2. Some of the key themes in Zaltera revolve around historical revisionism, miscommunication, and the basic fact that history is written by the winners. Given this being the case, what do you think is the true story of events past? Did the Zarians truly leave their homeland because of an oppressive king? Were their accommodations truly so destitute and were the Avolians mistreating them as is claimed? Were the Zarians justified in taking the Avolian city? What do you think about the unicorns who the Avolians are taking refuge with? Do you have any other theories regarding the history lessons each respective culture is focused on?

(a bit early but were on the topic anyway)

snuffysam

It's interesting how the Zarians (claimed to be, at least) refugees in the Avolians's land, and now the Avolians are refugees in the unicorns' land.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

yes i like this extra theme of history repeating itself. like it really makes you wonder if there'll be a war with the unicorns.

which i also like how complicated the situation is

on the one hand the unicorns feel a bit ridiculous cause they have no leeway for kids being stupid kids. but then on the otherhand as refugees, theyre kind of obligated to respect the culture status quo of the unicorns cause they are the ones who are guests. and the unicorns probably have a reason for banning violence so strictly.

its a really complicated situation that shows a lot of issues sometimes just come from cultural differences

snuffysam

And that brings up the question- how many of the issues between the Zarians and the Avolians were due to cultural differences?

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

yes it is an excellent question. its hard to say without seeing them interact more. although it could be that perhaps the fire magic played a role. cause that seems to be the zarian speciality while the avolians seem to have mostly disdain for it. so maybe its actually a similar playing out. where, like the unicorns, the avolians were like "hey there no fire magic we dont care if your kids are kids no fire magic." and so the zarian grew disdainful cause to them it was a ridiculous rule

snuffysam

What if the kid in the Zarian history committed some serious crime? Something the Zarians would want to forgive (since they're just a kid), but something the Avolians didn't take sitting down. Kind of like what happened at the beginning of chapter 2 with the unicorns, but much more serious.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

yes that could be entirely possible.

tho i imagine their death was not some act of justice

considering from the sounds of it there were fews witnesses to what actually happened to the kid

i mean heck

kid couldve just killed themselves on accident by misfiring a spell

snuffysam

it's possible. perhaps we'll see a war break out with the Avolians and the unicorns for similar reasons?

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

yes it is possible. although the avolians might just get kicked out.(edited)

which maybe thatll spark another war with the zarians

cause they need their home back

snuffysam

could be. they already need their home back, after all.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

or a new home. which is why i also question the zarian account. like im sure their community had some issues of destitution, but what was the avolian situation? no matter how someone feels about refugees, they do put a burden on the system where they are taking harbor. like were the avolians being like "so hey theres this land over here where you could maybe make a new home" and then the zarians were like "eh maybe tomorrow." like, theres a lot of spitballing i could do, but i feel were missing a key component about what zarian life was like as refugees and how that was effecting the avolian system. cause its possible that the avolian resources were low or something like that too and the zarians were making those resources even more scarce or something.

Superjusting of Time and Space

OMG HELLO

Just thought I'd pop in real quick~

snuffysam

I suppose it is a bit odd that the Avolians apparently rescued the Zarians from dying in the desert, yet apparently they also treated them like hostages? How do you have both?

hey SJoTaS

Superjusting of Time and Space

Thanks for the warm greetings~

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

hi super XD

Superjusting of Time and Space

Hi Rebel!

snuffysam

for that matter, why would the Zarians mention the rescuing part in their already extremely biased history?

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

yes those are great points that really stand out.

it could just be agenda related though

in that they didnt need to bias the rescue part but for some reason it was super important to make the start of the war biased

Superjusting of Time and Space

True

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

QUESTION 3. On the Zarian side is the figure of Azul who feels that the history he has learnt is wrong and biased. While most of the Zarian’s advocate violence against any Avolian, Azul wants to use diplomacy. Do you think Azul will be able to convince other Zarian’s to use a diplomatic method? Will the pressures of the throne eventually destroy his values? If Azul does manage to convince others of diplomacy, how might that affect his relationship with his brother Jade? Speaking of which, why was Azul’s father murdered and how might that affect his ideas for dealing with the Avolians?

snuffysam

Depends on who he talks to. Some Avolians will be willing to talk. Others, I imagine, will not.

I don't know if Asul'll be able to convince anyone major in the kingdom to see his way. It seems more like he's just going to go off on his own.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

yeah. not that i have specific evidence but i feel azul is going to be forced to abdicate the throne in favor of his brother cause his viewpoints well be seen as too radical. like if i assume typical story flow and that the two outcasts, azul and tigfeather, meet, then i imagine that will not go over well. where he comes home is like "mom mom see i was talking to this avolian and were friends now and see everything isnt so bad." and his mom just is like enraged and like what is wrong with you

thanks napples

i am curious why the avolians keep skirting into the city though

snuffysam

try and gauge the opinions of the zarians? i feel like they should have a pretty good idea at this point though

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

idk. like id understand if the avolians were in a better situation. cause if they intended to take their city back then of course you have scouts to plan out the attack. but the avolians i dont think would be capable of a war where they made first strike

albeit

maybe this is part of the two sides thing

the avolians are scared of zarian pursuit so send scouts to watch for attack

and the zarians fear attack so kill the scouts

snuffysam

yeah, something like that

or maybe they're scouting for some resource that they can't get with the unicorns?

not sure what that would be though

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

could be possible

or maybe theyre just hoping the zarians leave the city out of boredom XD

snuffysam

that's possible. they still consider the zarians to be residents of their native homeland, iirc, believing every race has its place and all that.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

the other possibility is that these avolians watching the city are like a splinter cell who believe war is the only answer whereas the rest of the avolians took refuge with the unicorns and were like "nope were done with war"

snuffysam

didn't someone remark on how they lost a few more scouts? or am I misremembering?

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

id have to go back and re-read. its possible XD just theorizing and i might have missed it tbh

but on the point of azul i wonder why his dad was killed.

snuffysam

how long ago was the war?

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

thats a good question

ive been kind of vague on the timeline tbh

snuffysam

because if it was less than a generation ago, azul's dad may have just been killed in the war. as wars do.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

hmm

so at the beginning with azul the teacher says its been passed down through generations

so it wouldve been sometime ago

snuffysam

ah. so no then. unless she's referring specifically to the beginning of the story - since it's possible generations passed between then and the war.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

although the teacher also is using the diary of azul's great aunt

cause to be fair we dont really know their lifespans

id assume his dad wasnt killed via the war tho

snuffysam

yeah that's a fair guess

so i suppose there were avolian scounts who killed azul

's dad while he was trying to chase them off?

or maybe it was an accident, and the kingdom just pins it on the avolians like everything else

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

well i doubt it was a chase off. cause jade does specifically say he was killed for taking pity on them. so clearly the dad was making friends and trying to repair relationships.

crack theory

it was the unicorns all along

they killed the dad

snuffysam

that would be pretty big. what do they have to benefit from that though? wouldn't they want the avolians to make peace with the zarians so they can get out of their hair?

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

maybe the unicorns hope for mutual destruction and then they rule all the lands

didnt have to be violent

just manipulate others to be violent

its brilliant

snuffysam

i mean they do still have to directly kill people to instigate violence in this scenario. so it's not a completely non-violent takeover.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

close enough O_O

tbh i wanna go out on a limb and say it was zarian extremists who killed him. cause they didnt like he was going against tradition. so they killed him and framed the avolians, which i imagine the latter wasnt hard to do since i picture the ones coming around around were easily swayed back to the "they were right about the avolians all along"

QUESTION 4. With the Avolians our main figure is Tigfeather who is able to use fire magic. Her magic, which stands apart from other Avolians, is due to the fact that she, is in fact, a phoenix. What significance might there be to Tigfeather being a phoenix? How does this tie into the past history with Lady Rovira who ruled the Avol Kingdom? Will Tigfeather’s outcast nature make her more receptive to Zarian diplomacy, or will she perhaps help her people wage a war against the Zarians (or the unicorns)? What other ways do you think learning she’s a phoenix will affect her?

snuffysam

that sounds about right. ignore all the extreme burn marks over the king's face and body, it was the avolians.

my thinking is that she'll either be exiled or run away on her own, and then meet azul.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

i doubt shell be exiled but i could see her running away. especially now that she knows shes a phoenix cause it might give her new perspective on how the others treat her. or she may do it from more noble intentions of knowing that sticking around probably means her entire ppl are gonna get kicked out and have no home.

maybe

what if something happens to her brother

so she leaves to rescue him

but then azul is already there rescueing him

cue sitcom friendship

snuffysam

what if she accidentally hurts her brother? and she leaves because she doesn't want to hurt anyone else.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

oh that could be too

oh oh

whatd make sense in that scenario is she specifically goes to the zarians to learn to control her fire magic

since fire is their thing

snuffysam

ooh yeah that would make a lot of sense

how good is azul at fire magic? do we know?

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

hard to say but i imagine as crown prince he probably had good tutors

i mean that scene where he got angry at least showed hes capable of it

snuffysam

thats true. i wonder who would be angrier at azul and tigfeather's potential meeting (and friendship) - his family or hers?

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

id assume azul's if only because his is the royal family so thus they are the example and hes the one who has a dad dead. so far with tigfeather we havent really seen a vast amount of her feelings with the zarians(edited)

perhaps shes also inspired because she learns her ppl are biased

since shes learning "wait phoenixes are not bad"

snuffysam

she doesn't seem to care that much about questioning history like azul does. she really just wants to live her life.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

it could be inspiring tho.

to be fair

her leaving the avolians could be as simple as she wants to learn more about her people's origins in general

to understand why shes a phoenix

but ive just had a thought

what if tigfeather is rovira? cause its bugged me that rovira just died considering in all lore phoenixes do the whole bursting into flames and then theyre reborn

so what if tigfeather is the reborn rovira

snuffysam

i'm guessing there's a reincarnation aspect, yeah. hence why we haven't heard of multiple phoenixes being alive at once. how long ago did rovira die?

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

i dont think it was said but i wanna assume it was before the zarians which is the wrench in this theory. cause it doesnt sound like theyd lost their kingdom at that point

snuffysam

unless there were other phoenixes in between them. or maybe it takes a century or so for a phoenix to be reborn.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

yeah either or is possible

rovira just might be the most notable phoenix

although id put money on the century reborn thing too if this is the case

as i just picture the end of this prologue being the gma going "btw you are lady rovira reborn so kind of are the hope of our ppl. so yeah. good luck with that."

and tigfeather is like what O_O

snuffysam

yeah i can imagine that would be overwhelming for her lol

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

but potentially another reason she runs away. is like okay better deal with the zarians i am the hope of our ppl. she meets azul and is like "dang it they arent these blatantly evil enemies"

snuffysam

maybe she'd run away from her destiny instead of towards it?

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

very possible too

i could see either or being plausible

on a different topic i wonder whats going on in the original homeland of the zarians. like...are there zarians still there? cause if the war was a long time ago the tyrannical king they ran away from must be dead

which what if they sparked the war. the avolians are like "so umm hey could you leave your homeland is doing way better now." and the zarians were like "but eww the desert"

snuffysam

i feel like some people were probably ok with the regime, and they stayed? and the thing about kings is that there's a dynasty, and his heir may be similarly bad.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

yeah the heir could similarly bad. i dont rule that out. but dynasties also die out. so why im wondering what the state of things are.

not to mention has it been long enough for cultural diversion

snuffysam

true true. i don't think communication is particularly advanced though. Before the war, they may not have known if the king was alive or not, and after, they stopped caring.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

yeah. tbh i dont think its much better so theres probably not a good way for them to know even now

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

Unfortunately, the scheduled Comic Tea Party is now complete~! Thank you everyone so much for joining this week’s chat~! That being said, if you would like to continue discussing the comic, we encourage you to do so~! We want to give a big thank you to Morgan Mudway (aka Tri), as well, for volunteering Zaltera for our reading queue. If you liked the comic, please be sure to support Morgan Mudway’s efforts. If you have questions, concerns, or suggestions about CTP, please feel free to PM me, or e-mail me at [email protected].

With that said, next week’s Comic Tea Party will focus on Legendary Beings Ara & Celi by NAAN. Please use this week to read as much of the comic as you would like. Hope to see you next Thursday (December 21st) from 5PM to 7PM PST~! Until then~! Comic: https://tapas.io/series/AraandCeli

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November 9th, 2017 CTP Archive

The archive for the Comic Tea Party chat that occurred on November 9th, 2017, from 5PM - 7PM PST. The chat focused on Infected Blood by Infected Blood.

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RebelVampire

Good day everyone~! This week’s Comic Tea Party is now officially beginning. Today we are discussing Infected Blood by Infected Blood~! (https://infectedbloodcomics.com/) For those new to CTP, discussions about the comic are freeform, so please feel free to bring up whatever you wish. However, every 30 minutes I will be dropping in a discussion question to help those who would like a prompt. These questions are totally OPTIONAL to answer so pay them no mind if you wish~! Remember, constructive criticism is allowed, but the primary focus here is to have fun and appreciate the amazing comics that the community makes~! Each chat a top comment will be picked and featured on an ad for this chat, so let’s have a great discussion~!

With that said, let us begin with this first question~!

QUESTION 1. What is your favorite scene in the comic so far and why?

Draco Plato

I liked the introductionary pages the best so far, they really allude to the importance of the story about to come

snuffysam

I wouldn't exactly say I "liked" it, but Karen

's death was a big one

really sets the tone of the story

RebelVampire

i really enjoyed how unceremoniously the death occurs too, assuming it is definitely a death. idk how much i trust the pulse checking here. but either way i like how sort of undramatic it was. just a really quick thing which is often how accidental death occurs.

the intro pages were definitely told in an intriguing way

for me im taking the opposite position and putting my chips on the group hanging out together outside. i liked having a dose of happiness

MathTans the Pun Prince

Hiyo. I rather liked when Alex realized that she'd kinda dissed her girlfriend and told the others to stop it and apologized and all.

RebelVampire

yeah although im still torn on how heartfelt i felt the apology was

MathTans the Pun Prince

Yeah, I tend to give the benefit of the doubt.

Infected Blood

hello and thanks for the opportunity to hear your honest opinions on my comic

MathTans the Pun Prince

I'm pretty sure the death was an actual death btw. It would explain the 'Murderer' thing from the prologue, possibly.

Hello author!

snuffysam

There haven't exactly been many scenes so far, but we've gotten a lot of good stuff in that space.

Hi!

MathTans the Pun Prince

Slash artist! (I tend to forget that.)

Infected Blood

Hello Math, snuffy, Rebel

I was planning on having over 30 pages for you by the time this chat would happen, but I had to take an unexpected hiatus, alas

MathTans the Pun Prince

Happens to the best of us. I'm on hiatus too.

Draco Plato

no worries~

snuffysam

It's all good, no worries

Infected Blood

the next couple of pages are really something - spoiler alter We get to see Stephanie's reaction to what's happening

*alert

RebelVampire

i dont think thats too spoilery. more like an enticement.

MathTans the Pun Prince

Yeah, things escalated real quickly.

Infected Blood

Good, then

@MathTans the Pun Prince I don't like beating around the bush. I'm always trying to compress as much as possible in as few pages as possible, but also doing my best to avoid rushing

MathTans the Pun Prince

Nope, that's fine, stuff like that does escalate quickly. Just that's why it takes time to process all the reactions.

Infected Blood

That's true

snuffysam

Yeah, the events after Karen got hit really felt like they were happening in real-time as I read those pages.

Infected Blood

Thanks, @snuffysam That's what I was hoping to convey

MathTans the Pun Prince

Regarding the classroom stuff, speaking as a teacher, I feel like the prof and the priest were portrayed well to start. Like, I didn't get a sense they were evil or anything (despite what I saw some commenters say) until the stress aspect came up. The priest has severe racism issues and rose coloured glasses, while the teacher, uh, needs a lesson in conflict de-escalation.

They seemed like regular folks until push came to shove is what I'm saying.

(Is that good or bad? I dunno, it's an observation.)

Infected Blood

Awesome! Thank you. I taught myself, so I have a it of experience. Maybe that helped

I agree with you, things escalated because of a combination of the teacher's and the priest's personal issues. Neither one was really looking to hurt anyone in the first place

MathTans the Pun Prince

Hah. That's neat. (I'm Canadian too.)

Infected Blood

Oh Canada!

MathTans the Pun Prince

I think at the heart of it is this crazy fear of the AIMS. Be interesting to see how that plays out in the broader society.

Infected Blood

You are very much correct, Math

RebelVampire

so far ive felt that the pacing is just dandy. cause when things go bad, they go bad very quickly

Infected Blood

Rebel, they're going to go even faster and worse

MathTans the Pun Prince

She loses her girlfriend too?

Infected Blood

Well, I can answer that, if people are okay with spoilers

MathTans the Pun Prince

(Don't feel you have to answer direct quesitons btw)

Infected Blood

you will see that exactly in the next page

MathTans the Pun Prince

Remember these get archived and put on the web, so might be better to keep quiet about some things.

Infected Blood

that's fine, my next page goes live on Monday

I don't think I can avoid spoilers much, anyway, since the comic doesn't have these many pages up, yet. It may help stimulate the convo here

MathTans the Pun Prince

I dunno, I read some of the info page stuff too. Also some of the earlier comic.

snuffysam

you'd be surprised...

Infected Blood

Okay, I will keep quiet, then

If you read some of The Green-Eyed Sniper, then you'll know about Sekhmet. That comic was just a pilot for Infected Blood

My way to practice drawing a comic, since it was my very first comic ever

MathTans the Pun Prince

nods Yeah, so part of me being quiet is not being sure if I want to speculate based on what I saw from that.

Infected Blood

And to practice my writing

RebelVampire

spoilers are up to you. weve had chats that are ridden with them, and some creators just hold their tongues on everything. so self choice on that one but as math said these chats do get archived and the chat history is available too so anybody can come by and read it.

Infected Blood

Well, you

Oops, my finger slipped

Thanks, Rebel

You saw Sekhmet carving MURDERER on her chest in the prologue - Karen's death is not why she did it

snuffysam

So is Infected Blood a direct prequel to Green-Eyed Sniper?

Infected Blood

After all, she's completely innocent. She didn't killed Karen, she just dodged the reverend's hit... which hit Karen

MathTans the Pun Prince

She is innocent, yes, but I thought maybe it was a penance that she'd been forced into doing. For her freedom or something.

Infected Blood

No, @snuffysam , it's the other way around

snuffysam

Ah, ok. I didn't read GES, so I didn't get that

MathTans the Pun Prince

I thought "Infected Blood" came first time-wise? Alex is younger.

Infected Blood

@MathTans the Pun Prince It will be about something she actually did and which is much worse

Yes, Alex is 16 at the beginning of Infected Blood and in her early 30's in GES

MathTans the Pun Prince

Feels like one of those things where "If everybody's going to blame me for doing 'X' whether I did it or not, I might as well just do 'X'."

So "IB" is the prequel then... ne?

snuffysam

I imagine this current scene in school is a flashback, no?

MathTans the Pun Prince

Ohhh, maybe.

RebelVampire

QUESTION 2. The prologue of the comic shows a scene that occurs 5 years after the events happening in the first chapter. In this prologue, there are a number of uniformed people, and it ends with Alex carving “Murderer” into her chest. How do you think this future comes about given current events? What do you think will happen that causes Alex to do such a thing?

snuffysam

^ ^ ^

Infected Blood

It's more like IB is the main comic to a story that I have told only in a tiny little part

Ha. Nice question... @MathTans the Pun Prince already suggested an answer

MathTans the Pun Prince

Well, as I said, I thought Alex was given some sort of penance, like she had to do that to go free. Like a Scarlet Letter kind of deal. (But on the other hand, everyone already seems to know she's an AIMS so... dunno.)

snuffysam

uhh i suppose she kills someone. But it'd have to be someone she feels guilty about (so, not the priest or her teacher). Possibly her girlfriend? Or one of her other friends?

accidentally, i imagine

MathTans the Pun Prince

She kills her favourite potted plant. (j/k)

Infected Blood

Hahaha @MathTans the Pun Prince You never know!

RebelVampire

or maybe she just kills a lot of people and has remorse over it later

Infected Blood

Well, hint hint, she's a soldier and she just got a promotion...

MathTans the Pun Prince

"Congrats on your genocide, have a new rank." "I suck."

Infected Blood

It is said in GES that she's a military officer on the run, wanted for war crimes

That's pretty close to the truth, @MathTans the Pun Prince

MathTans the Pun Prince

I was more reading for the romance in GES.

Infected Blood

There will be romance in IB, too

snuffysam

Alex is already in a relationship, after all.

MathTans the Pun Prince

So, the new hypotheticals are (1) how's she get into the military in the first place, given where she's at now and (2) what group of people does she end up killing.

RebelVampire

im gonna take a theory stab in the dark that is partly influenced by GES knowledge but maybe for this karen incident shes forced to join the military as "punishment" and thats what starts her on her path

MathTans the Pun Prince

I'm guessing (1) might come from being sent to military school or something, away from her friends.

Infected Blood

@snuffysam She is, even if she forgot about it at the very beginning of chapter 1

MathTans the Pun Prince

Oh, I like Rebel's thought too.

Draco Plato

yeah that's a good theory

Infected Blood

Awesome theory, yes!

MathTans the Pun Prince

We know from the priest that she doesn't get along with her parents, but they might not factor into the decision at all.

Infected Blood

We're definitely going to see her parents, too.

snuffysam

Also, she doesn't necessarily have to kill a group of people to get that promotion. It could just be one very important person.

RebelVampire

to be fair, alex is a tough gal so seems like good military recruit material

MathTans the Pun Prince

Maybe there's an AIMS unit to boot.

I wonder how many admit to being of that heritage.

Infected Blood

@snuffysam True, although her country is in perennial war and promotions tend to come for very special performance of duty

@RebelVampire @MathTans the Pun Prince If you read between the lines, Reverend Jones says that AIMS were created as soldiers

snuffysam

How easy is it typically to tell AIMS apart from humans? Are they all as big as Alex?

Infected Blood

And @MathTans the Pun Prince you hit the nail in the head - they have a hard time admitting to being AIMS

RebelVampire

the only thing i read between the lines was the reverend saying plz punch me i am a jerk

Infected Blood

@snuffysam They tend to be rather big, yes. They look like humans, though

MathTans the Pun Prince

Though Jones also said that the records were lost due to politics (a nice touch btw) so the guy could be talking through his hat based on rumour.(edited)

Rebel: Hah. yes.

Infected Blood

@snuffysam But they have an AIMS form that hasn't been revealed fully, yet. The only thing you can see (from GES) is that their eyes become black while their pupils remain the same color

And they get circuits surfacing on their skin

snuffysam

Right, yeah, but they can turn that on and off at will, correct? So that shouldn't affect them trying to hide as humans.

MathTans the Pun Prince

They've got advanced reflexes either way. Alex sensed the attack coming before it reached her. That might make it harder to hide.

Infected Blood

@MathTans the Pun Prince Jones is referring to a political decision that saved AIMS from being sent to war with no option to opt out

Correct, @snuffysam

MathTans the Pun Prince

Wait, wait, so politicians made a humane decision?! Must be an alternate reality.

Infected Blood

I left hints here and there about AIMS... For example, one cop calls Alex a "good kitten" Big hint about why they have such great relfexes

@MathTans the Pun Prince It was more AIMS who convinced politicians to do so

MathTans the Pun Prince

Now I just want to see her cosplay with cat ears.

snuffysam

Wait, @MathTans the Pun Prince , are you suggesting a if-she-floats-on-water-shes-a-witch test would be used? Shoot a gun at a suspect, and if they die, they weren't an AIMS?

Infected Blood

hahaha

So, another spoiler: AIMS' DNA is impossible to map

MathTans the Pun Prince

Snuffy: If the shoe fits! ... Actually, I wasn't entirely suggesting that. But if they're at SpiderMan-Catching-Mary-Jane's-Lunch levels of reflex, I'd be suspicious.

Infected Blood

if you want to make sure a woman is an AIMS, just try to take some tissue from her and analyze her DNA - it will turn into a blob

MathTans the Pun Prince

What about a man?

snuffysam

AIMS are only female tho

Infected Blood

AIMS are an all-female species only

yep

MathTans the Pun Prince

That's just what they WANT you to think. It's all propaganda!

snuffysam

i mean that would be one way to go about it. disguise yourself as a man. trip up anyone looking for you for a bit.

MathTans the Pun Prince

(Yes, I am silly sometimes.)

RebelVampire

ya know now im really curious if anyone ever tried that, disguising themselves as a man

MathTans the Pun Prince

Huh, interesting point, snuffy. I guess hormone treatments wouldn't work on DNA-Blobbishness though.

RebelVampire

in the story that is

MathTans the Pun Prince

You'd need a cloak and hat.

Infected Blood

There are reasons why AIMS are only females, but that's too many spoilers

MathTans the Pun Prince

Because lesbian power. ^.^

Infected Blood

@MathTans the Pun Prince That, too, I personally want to have stories with believable lesbian characters

snuffysam

nah, i'm not talking hormone treatments or anything. good old fashioned suit and false mustache.

Infected Blood

So, I tend to prefer to portray them to other characters

@RebelVampire Not in my stories, no

RebelVampire

darn, no fake mustaches :"D

Infected Blood

@snuffysam No mustaches

They only try to pass as humans, which is hard to do

Because humans are very suspicious of any large woman

MathTans the Pun Prince

They have a hard time being racist enough, like Jones.

Infected Blood

So, in Kemet-Ra, any group of big gals is seen as something bad

Even smaller women, by extension

snuffysam

does this world not have a WNBA?

Infected Blood

There are so many rumors around AIMS... the gist of it is that women have a hard time gathering in groups

@snuffysam Yes, and all athletes are tested to prove they're humans

MathTans the Pun Prince

Makes orgies difficult. (I can say that right? The comic is rated mature?)

(Nevermind that I'm immature?)

Infected Blood

Orgies are good

There will be orgies in my comic. No porn, but clear enough

snuffysam

that's a good question though. hey, @RebelVampire , what are the rules for saying mature stuff in these chats? if the comic is rated mature by you, are we good?(edited)

MathTans the Pun Prince

Uhm, we'll fix it in post?

Infected Blood

Hahaha

RebelVampire

nah you can say much mature stuff. im not that heavy on policing language. just uh dont write a full on porn scene in the chat. but you can mention sex and all that jazz.

snuffysam

ok cool

Infected Blood

There, @MathTans the Pun Prince , you won't have to do any editing. And neither will I!

MathTans the Pun Prince

sings songs from "Chicago"

RebelVampire

no thats too mature math. youve gone too far now. XD

MathTans the Pun Prince

Should we all guess at what AIMS stands for next?

snuffysam

i bet that's the 9:00 question

Infected Blood

Anyway, my comic is rated mature not so much because of sex scenes, but because it's supposed to make people feel uncomfortable and, you know, think a bit deeper below the surface(edited)

RebelVampire

Artificial Interesting Mysterious Stuff

snuffysam

also, all the blood

MathTans the Pun Prince

Autonomic Inhuman Matriarch Specialist

Infected Blood

Nice one, @RebelVampire !

Hahaha

RebelVampire

i might have given up after artificial O_O

Infected Blood

I can't reveal what the acronym means, but these are cool guesses

snuffysam

Artificial Its Mbig Sperson

Infected Blood

@snuffysam The blood is definitely not infected!

No matter what humans claim

MathTans the Pun Prince

Amphibious Intergalactic Mystery Superhuman.

Or not.

Infected Blood

Spoiler spoiler spoiler... AIMS have nothing in common with humans. Zero

RebelVampire

Artificially Infused Master Soldier

Infected Blood

Except for looking like them

MathTans the Pun Prince

Oooh, I like that Rebel

Infected Blood

@RebelVampire Infused with what?

RebelVampire

i have no idea XD

MathTans the Pun Prince

Artificial Sweetener.

RebelVampire

thats the only I word that came ot mind XD

Infected Blood

hahaha

snuffysam

I feel like, from the information we know, they're sort of cat-robots? That look like people?

Infected Blood

I need to set up an extra page to tell the history of AIMS

snuffysam

Not sure what the acronym has to do with that though

Infected Blood

@snuffysam Very close, congrats!

RebelVampire

A cat robot I aM Surely

there we go

MathTans the Pun Prince

Anthropomorphic Identities Meowing Sometimes.

RebelVampire

made it work

Infected Blood

@RebelVampire

Mat

RebelVampire

QUESTION 3. Insofar, the story has dealt with very heavy themes of speciesism. In the most recent page, it’s shown the title itself alludes to the inherent prejudice against AIMS. Where do you think this hatred for AIMS comes from? Was it started by someone with malicious intent? Was it a misunderstanding that spiraled out of control? Or, do you think it was something else entirely? Are there any other related theories you have about this theme or AIMS in general?

Infected Blood

gets popcorn

snuffysam

I feel like AIMS were created as artificial supersoldiers... and people got scared because there are giant supersoldiers walking around? kind of ruins the themes though, because thats not how bigotry irl works

Infected Blood

@snuffysam Right, it didn't work that way

MathTans the Pun Prince

Well... not to make this politicial, but there's a lot of hate for particular backgrounds by some individuals out there even in the present. I feel like it could come from some of that, a misguided feeling that AIMS were taking jobs when they were no longer being used for war, or maybe a couple of them went rogue into terrorism and so all of them are bearing the brunt of it.

Infected Blood

@MathTans the Pun Prince Closer(edited)

MathTans the Pun Prince

Aha, gotcha.(edited)

No need to confirm or deny, of course.

Infected Blood

Minor spoiler: Jones's religion sees AIMS as abominations (he calls Alex that, too)

snuffysam

or maybe the thought that because AIMS are artificial, they don't deserve to integrate into society at all? like, sort of the "it's unnatural" crowd starting that up?(edited)

yeah that

MathTans the Pun Prince

They might have just been politicized for the gain of an election or something.

Oh maybe.

RebelVampire

id assume it was a complicated combo of everything. AIMS being super soldiers (thus fear), AIMS taking jobs or something, AIMS being artificial

MathTans the Pun Prince

That whole thing with attacking the Pope because of acting out a Dan Brown novel, as you do.

Infected Blood

Let's say there are a lot pf politics in the mix

RebelVampire

although i assume regardless of origin the prejudice is perpetuated by rumors as fuel

Infected Blood

@RebelVampire Close

MathTans the Pun Prince

I wonder what the percentage of them in the population is.

Might be less than people believe.

Infected Blood

That is a great question, @MathTans the Pun Prince The number is currently unknown

Which makes for even more fear

RebelVampire

are there AIMS who are prejudice against humans?

MathTans the Pun Prince

I would imagine some get driven into it.

What are their goals? Or put another way, what are their AIMS?

Infected Blood

@RebelVampire Yes! Alex is actually pretty good toward humans, but there will be another AIMS (can't spoiler) who really hates them

Infected Blood

@MathTans the Pun Prince

Their goals is to simply have a regular life

snuffysam

something interesting regarding the priest's bigotry- all the stereotypes were pretty much true when applied to Alex. but... it would also work if Alex's personality was completely different. he'd just use different stereotypes. e.g. "you're super docile- that proves AIMS were meant to be obedient servants" that's the thing about bigotry, i suppose. bigots will say whatever it takes to justify themselves.

RebelVampire

math i get the impression you feel the need to earn your pun prince title every chat O_O

MathTans the Pun Prince

Yeah, good point snuffy. They pick whatever truths they need to fit their narrative.

Rebel: It just comes out naturally, I swear.

Infected Blood

@snuffysam Alex is not exactly a good person. She's emotionally oblivious, as you could see with Stephanie

MathTans the Pun Prince

(I'm not even sure who gave me the title...)

Infected Blood

But yes, her personality is just what it is. The real issue is that... everyone knows she's an AIMS, which is rare

Since AIMS tend to live in hiding

MathTans the Pun Prince

Yeah, that was an interesting risk btw. Going with a protagonist who's rough around the edges. (I've tried it myself, it can be a turnoff for some.) I think it was good that she backpedalled a bit with her girlfriend, so she still could get some sympathy points.

Infected Blood

I can't spoiler why everyone knows she's an AIMS - you will find out later in the comic

@MathTans the Pun Prince Thanks, that's going to be a challenge, indeed

MathTans the Pun Prince

Huh. I figured it was an inherited thing.

Like, either her parents were carriers, or did it deliberately or something.

snuffysam

wait, carrier of what?

MathTans the Pun Prince

Of DNA Mushiness.

Infected Blood

Can't spoiler, sorry

snuffysam

i... can a human have an AIMS child? their species isn't similar at all

MathTans the Pun Prince

Not by accident I would imagine.

Infected Blood

They can't, @snuffysam

MathTans the Pun Prince

But yeah, I dunno.

(Word of God has spoken.)

Infected Blood

Yikes, I need to rein in more spoilers

MathTans the Pun Prince

So how do they have parents?

Adoption?

Infected Blood

takes her hands off the keyboard

You will find out in a few pages, that's all I can say

snuffysam

i mean sure, her parents probably adopted her, but Alex physically had to come from somewhere

MathTans the Pun Prince

The hands off the keyboard thing didn't last too long there...

That's why the "I" in AIMS stands for "Interstellar". Alex was fighting in an Alien War.

Infected Blood

At least they came back without spoilers (edited)

hahaha No aliens, sorry

MathTans the Pun Prince

She's actually from Venus. Hence the girl love.

Infected Blood

Her species was created in a cold lab in Kemet-Ra!

But she was born at a regular hospital

MathTans the Pun Prince

(For a moment I read "Kermit Ra" and thought she was a muppet...)

Infected Blood

hahaha

Kemet is the original (Middle) Egyptian word for "Egypt"

Ra is the Egyptian Sun God

MathTans the Pun Prince

That reminds me, interesting having the hyroglyph words in there. Adds an, I don't know, futuristic sort of feel. Like slang terms that don't exist yet.

snuffysam

are there any straight AIMS? or are they all lesbians?

Infected Blood

Thanks! I studied Middle Egyptian for a couple of years, so they actually mean something

There are straight AIMS.

MathTans the Pun Prince

Oooh, when learning languages comes in handy.

Infected Blood

Most of them are

@MathTans the Pun Prince Yep!

MathTans the Pun Prince

They're not playing gayAIMS.

Toranekohybrid

with your heart

Infected Blood

@RebelVampire and anyone else who've read GES - So far, do you have a preference over one comic or the other?

Hello @Toranekohybrid

Am I even allowed to ask questions?

Toranekohybrid

Hai, sorry, I couldn't help but finish the song lyric I saw in that statement. |D

MathTans the Pun Prince

You can totes ask questions!

Infected Blood

Thanks, @MathTans the Pun Prince

snuffysam

what was that? i couldn't read that sentence after you said hello to toranekohybrid

RebelVampire

you can ask questions, thats fine

omg LOL

man

that joke almost went over my head cause ive had less than an hour of sleep

Infected Blood

Yikes

snuffysam

lol ok

MathTans the Pun Prince

For me, it's a little tough to choose, because they're rather different. IB has more of an ensemble cast and is buiding to something. GES (from what I read) is more of an intimate thing with more of a mercenary thing to boot.

I caught it.

RebelVampire

anyway question......ummm rn GES but if only because GES has more story to it and is done. i think Infected Blood will overtake that long term

Infected Blood

Thanks @MathTans the Pun Prince I realize IB is much shorter and... well, it will last years, as you an probably tell

MathTans the Pun Prince

I like the more intimiate nature, because that's the sort of personality I have. But I also like the broader world building of IB.

Infected Blood

@RebelVampire I won't abandon GES! I will just catch up to it

@MathTans the Pun Prince There will be a lot of intimate stuff in IB, I promise

snuffysam

so GES is still going to be canon within IB?

Infected Blood

Only up to a point, @snuffysam

MathTans the Pun Prince

I won't lie, the suicidal nature thing kind of speaks to me too. For reasons. It'll be interesting to see how that comes about in IB, but also interesting to see how it plays out with GES.

Infected Blood

@MathTans the Pun Prince I can relate to that

MathTans the Pun Prince

Take care of yourself. ^.^

Infected Blood

Oh, I'm a very happy person, now

Thanks!

MathTans the Pun Prince

That's good. The hiatus occurred to me was all.

Infected Blood

That's also why I can write this stuff without drowning in it

Take good care of yourself, too, @MathTans the Pun Prince

MathTans the Pun Prince

Working on it, thanks.

Superjustin of Time and Space

Oh snap we doing a CTP?

MathTans the Pun Prince

SJB, your time and space is out of alignment again. ^.^

Infected Blood

Hello @Superjustin of Time and Space

Superjustin of Time and Space

Hi there Infected!

RebelVampire

QUESTION 4. The comic has presented numerous conflicts that involve other characters, from Alex and Stephanie’s relationship to Karen’s potential death. Do you think these conflicts will be addressed in the future? If so, how do you think they’ll be resolved? Are there any characters you’d like to see more? What other predictions or desires do you have for the story at large?

Infected Blood

You missed all the spoilers! And we edited all of them, so now they're gone

Superjustin of Time and Space

lolol

Infected Blood

grabs more popcorn

Superjustin of Time and Space

My bad for hopping in so late

MathTans the Pun Prince

Pretty sure the relationship thing will need to be dealt with. I have the suspicion that we won't see much of this particular classroom setting for long, if nothing else because the teacher doesn't seem like he'll be calm enough to ever have Alex back in his class.

snuffysam

gee i sure hope those conflicts will be addressed. it would really suck if this flashback that's happening abruptly ended here and was never brought up again.

RebelVampire

nah thats ok SJB, never too late to join (edited)

Infected Blood

While you're getting into conspiracy theories, let me just say that I am sorry I had to pull IB out of StartFaire, but I'm overwhelmed with my regular job, so I couldn't keep up. I'd go back, if I could. If I could pass the selection, that is

MathTans the Pun Prince

It could be that Stephanie leaves Alex once she hears about Karen. That could be dealt with without even having her there.

Infected Blood

And if I had time to catch up

Not to worry... I don't leave conflicts hanging

RebelVampire

@Infected Blood nah thats cool we totally get it. sometimes real life gets in the way and you gotta prioritize.

MathTans the Pun Prince

I almost want to see more of Jones. Just so that he's kicked around a bit more, the jerk. (They're in the future, his back could be healed for all we know.)

RebelVampire

i feel like stephanie would leave just because i remember them mentioning her father was a speciesist or something

Infected Blood

Jones is one of those characters you love to hate - so said a reader

Superjustin of Time and Space

lol

Infected Blood

@RebelVampire Steph's family will definitely have an influence on her decisions

Superjustin of Time and Space

Sorry if I don't contribute anything meaningfull to the chat, kinda don't bother really to binge-read the comics announced for CTP ^^;

MathTans the Pun Prince

Actually, one thing I'd kind of like to see is a sympathetic adult character. Like maybe a principal who wants to help but his hands are tied or something. Could just be my profession talking, so far the education system has looked terrible.

Superjustin of Time and Space

(I will say though this comic has an intresting art style and plot direction at first glance)

MathTans the Pun Prince

Could just be the school.

Infected Blood

@MathTans the Pun Prince Understandable! there will be someone of that sort. But the school system and the entire country are plain awful

MathTans the Pun Prince

The art is unique. It's got that sort of realism look going for it.

Superjustin of Time and Space

Like a half realistic half american comic vibe?

Infected Blood

Thanks, @Superjustin of Time and Space It's less than 30 pages, if you feel like binge-reading

MathTans the Pun Prince

I mean, Alex had to get into the school somehow, there must be someone on her side. Maybe.

Superjustin of Time and Space

lol thanks

MathTans the Pun Prince

I guess? I don't know comics as well as I do writing.

Infected Blood

@MathTans the Pun Prince My art is unique, because I have no training!

MathTans the Pun Prince

Heh, me neither.

Infected Blood

Took like 4 courses, most of them in how to do comics

MathTans the Pun Prince

I noticed you said you transitioned to doing it on computer.

Infected Blood

I didn't feel like dealing with an artist, so I decided to draw my own comics

Yes, just last week

MathTans the Pun Prince

Kudos. Easier for you that way?

(I hand draw all my stuff, so curious.)

Infected Blood

I used to do everything traditionally, except for coloring

Superjustin of Time and Space

I mostly do everything digital now

though I know this doesn't pretain to me so

Infected Blood

It's easier just because I got a Cintiq, so I can draw directly on it, without looking at a separate screen

So, I'm definitely going fully digital, now. Saves time and, in the long run, money

Superjustin of Time and Space

yeah

It definitely saved me a lot

as well

Infected Blood

Anyway, I hope you want to see more AIMS, because Alex is not the only one There will be another AIMS character coming in in the next chapter

MathTans the Pun Prince

Back on the predictions side of things... yeah, it'll be good to see more.

Superjustin of Time and Space

I'd be scared to see how much money you'd be using if you illustrated th ebook using copic markers

Infected Blood

She's going to be... very controversial

MathTans the Pun Prince

I wonder if there's a secret society.

Infected Blood

Let's say not everyone hates AIMS @MathTans the Pun Prince

MathTans the Pun Prince

Here's a random thought. Do AIMS menstruate?

Infected Blood

Sure thing they do

RebelVampire

yeah i definitely want to see more AIMS if partly cause i feel its needed to flesh out the world more anyway ;3; im interested to see more of the world in general but thats just personal preference cause im very into world building

Infected Blood

@RebelVampire You'll see plenty of world building! That's just a tiny fraction, so far

MathTans the Pun Prince

So does that mean they can get pregnant? But only to have another AIMS I suppose... unless it would be a half breed?

Superjustin of Time and Space

World building is always good~

Infected Blood

@MathTans the Pun Prince I asked a biologist friend of mine for help defining AIMS' biology. I wanted something realistic, even if sci-fi

MathTans the Pun Prince

Oh, hey, much kudos on the research there then.

Infected Blood

They can get pregnant, yes, but not like the Asari

snuffysam

Alex was apparently born in a hospital. AKA someone gave birth to her.

RebelVampire

you mean therell be no embracing of eternity O_O what

Infected Blood

Thanks, @MathTans the Pun Prince

hahaha @RebelVampire

Correct, @snuffysam !

MathTans the Pun Prince

So they don't turn blue.

Infected Blood

Nope

The AIMS page will be long!...

So many details

MathTans the Pun Prince

It would be hard to blend in as a smurf.

Infected Blood

I like reference pages. They help avoid giving too many details in the comic about world building

snuffysam

now, there are a few more specifics that aren't yet covered. Like, Alex's mother was definitely an AIMS. Does she have a second mother? Do AIMS reproduce asexually? Or is she a cross-breed (with an entirely different species that has no genetic similarities to AIMS)

Infected Blood

They're too big, @MathTans the Pun Prince

MathTans the Pun Prince

You might want an index page, by the way. So it's easier to jump to Page 11 or something if you want to.

(It could exist, and I'm not observant.)(edited)

Infected Blood

@MathTans the Pun Prince I am in the process of redoing my website. Hard to do, in a way, because WordPress.com has limitations, but I will do that

I had it for GES, it's not hard to do, just takes time

@snuffysam Now, THOSE are very good questions!

MathTans the Pun Prince

True that.

Infected Blood

All I can say, @snuffysam , is that there are cross-breeds inside AIMS

MathTans the Pun Prince

Now I'm picturing AIMS breeding with cats.

Infected Blood

But not outside

That's not going to happen, @Math

MathTans the Pun Prince

The orgies will be normal orgies, okay.

Infected Blood

All will be revealed soon... in the next few pages

MathTans the Pun Prince

...when the clothes come off...

Infected Blood

The orgies will be between humans and AIMS, for sure

RebelVampire

i feel like cross-breeding opens up quite a few social issues. like how ppl generally view them and such.

MathTans the Pun Prince

Yeah, maybe there's even other breeds out there aside from humans and AIMS? Ones that were less successful, or maybe better hidden?

Infected Blood

@RebelVampire AIMS' creators did not want cross-breeding

MathTans the Pun Prince

Breeding with a cross is painful.

Infected Blood

Every newborn stays inside each species

I'm sure it is, just look at... stops there

MathTans the Pun Prince

Just ask Jones.

Infected Blood

Jones is actually enjoying his injury, in a way

MathTans the Pun Prince

The stick up his ass?

Infected Blood

I can spoiler that: he will use it as a godly weapon(edited)

His back is broken

MathTans the Pun Prince

That too.

Infected Blood

But his back being broken brings him closer to god...

MathTans the Pun Prince

So, I wonder what kind of weapons there are in this future? Tasers don't seem to work too well, have they developed other things?

(Flying cars?)

(Those might be an interesting weapon if you drop one on somebody.)

Infected Blood

Sure. Regular guns are still used, but there are other weapons that are gaining popularity, especially among criminals. Like lasers

The military has the most interesting weapons, but spoilers, so...

All I can say is that this story is set in the future, but not so much ahead of our time(edited)

MathTans the Pun Prince

"Where's the stun setting?" "...stun?"

Also, with the Egyptian, is that the region of the world where it takes place?

Infected Blood

Space has been colonized at a very minimum, for instance

@MathTans the Pun Prince Kemet-Ra is a country in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean

MathTans the Pun Prince

(I knew there were Aliens.)

Doesn't sound like a great tourist destination.

Infected Blood

It's like a very large platform, floating there, moving to avoid hurricanes, for example

MathTans the Pun Prince

Interesting though.

Infected Blood

Or invasions... or even immigrants. There is virtually no immigration, there

MathTans the Pun Prince

That makes it even harder to hide out. I wonder how Alex ended up there.

Infected Blood

She was born there, @MathTans the Pun Prince

RebelVampire

hmm makes me wonder how large their population is tho in general

MathTans the Pun Prince

Huh. And she hasn't tried to leave? (I suppose you need funds for that.)

Infected Blood

It's about 30 million people, @RebelVampire

MathTans the Pun Prince

VERY large platform. It's own country.

Infected Blood

Where would she go to? It's war everywhere else, except for a small number of countries

Yes, huge one, @MathTans the Pun Prince

MathTans the Pun Prince

Space? ^.^

RebelVampire

dang thats a lot of ppl. that must be one huge platform

Infected Blood

It's not common to go to space, @MathTans the Pun Prince

MathTans the Pun Prince

Canada?

Infected Blood

Hahaha @MathTans the Pun Prince

Yes, it's enormous, @RebelVampire

And it has interesting quirks...

MathTans the Pun Prince

Well, here's hoping Alex doesn't get too beaten up over things that aren't her fault.

Infected Blood

For example, when a hurricane comes and it's not too dangerous, Kemet-Ra raises a barrier so that people can see the hurricane passing over their heads without incident(edited)

RebelVampire

Unfortunately, the scheduled Comic Tea Party is now complete~! Thank you everyone so much for joining this week’s chat~! That being said, if you would like to continue discussing the comic, we encourage you to do so~! We want to give a big thank you to Infected Blood, as well, for volunteering Infected Blood for our reading queue. If you liked the comic, please be sure to support Infected Blood’s efforts. If you have questions, concerns, or suggestions about CTP, please feel free to PM me, or e-mail me at [email protected].

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June 15th, 2017 CTP Archive

The archive for the Comic Tea Party chat that occurred on June 15th, 2017, from 5PM - 7PM PST. The chat focused on Candour is Going Mad by Phenylketonurics.

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RebelVampire

Good day everyone~! This week’s Comic Tea Party is now officially beginning. Today we are discussing Candour is Going Mad by Phenylketonurics~! (https://tapas.io/series/Candour-is-Going-Mad) For those new to CTP, discussions about the comic are freeform, so please feel free to bring up whatever you wish. However, every 30 minutes I will be dropping in a discussion question to help those who would like a prompt. These questions are totally OPTIONAL to answer so pay them no mind if you wish~! Remember, constructive criticism is allowed, but the primary focus here is to have fun and appreciate the amazing comics that the community makes~! Each chat a top comment will be picked and featured on an ad for this chat, so let’s have a great discussion~! With that said, let us begin with this first question~!

QUESTION 1. What is your favorite scene in the comic so far and why?

DracoPlato

I really enjoyed the scenes with their father, his personality mixed with the personality of his kids was a really nice contrast

plus that got a good laugh out of me

plus i'm a sucker for family scenes

RebelVampire

yes that was still the best meta joke in the comic. cause with all due respect to pheny i do have to look up things in TNSTAJ sometimes. so its kind of refreshing to see that the vocab is pretty advanced. XD

i think overall i enjoyed their family dynamic

i was particularly fond of the line about how the dad will side with avvy if brian doesnt choose oatmeal so brian replied that he "loves hot water and oats"(edited)

DracoPlato

hahah I enjoyed that too XD

maybe i'll call oatmeal that now too

I'm also enjoying learning about the school

and it's atypical set up and treatment of teacher to student ratios

RebelVampire

lol i get distracted by thinking about their poor education and wonder if theyre even learning anything.

DracoPlato

haha i did wonder that too, and thought well that can't be cost effective

oh i liked the scene with brian in the shower too

RebelVampire

LOL i liked that scene but mostly cause i enjoy his interactions with rah the bird

they have a very strange and interesting relationship

i think my favorite scene was with Kamm though where shes inventing a language and playing with little aliens. like this was a moment that just really connected to me as a writer

DracoPlato

LOL I actually thought of you when reading that scene XD

I guess because it was very much like a writer, i did enjoy that too

i'm really interested to learn more about Kamm, she seems like a really interesting character

and their little alien finger puppets

RebelVampire

i like that the scene confused me at first a bit too. cause at first i honestly wondered if wed switch to some girl who was an alien invader in candour. and then i realized imagination is a thing.

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Hmm This is not my usual cup of tea for comics. I find I keep feeling like I am not immersed enough.

DracoPlato

Oh I know what you mean Feather, I always felt a bit detached from the story for some reason

like i was watching it but not "part" of it

i thought that too rebel, haha

I think the detached issue comes from not being immersed enough in the character's mindset perhaps, or where it's coming from. I was actually getting really immersed with Brain since we focused pretty well on him in the beginning but it lost me when we found out his boss was a talking bear since it made the story seem less serious and on a level of realism. So that took me out of it, also the PoV shifted away from brain to characters i cared and knew less about

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

This is the type of comic I would have dropped right at the prologue and reading chapter 1 really is hard for me

I think it was the Story style too

DracoPlato

yeah the story style is a bit rough since it's hard to tell where it's going or what i should be looking for or why i should care

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

It's paced a bit too slow with the idea and it's direction is slightly awkward for me

I think this might be one of those it gets better later comics but it can't hook me in the beginning to get to the good part

RebelVampire

haha oh dear. i am on the lone side since as i told draco earlier, i actually prefer candour to pheny's other comic, TNSTAJ.

but

admittedly when it switched away from brian i felt that a bit jarring

cause madon and roan were new. but i think madon is adorable so that kind of made up for it.

SirDelta God King of Mecha

oh right, thats now, whats going on

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I'm just reading it now

Rip

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

I did one if those skip to the middle and try reading and still I can't.

DracoPlato

I agree with Feather that it actually lost me after the prologue and i had to stay committed to it

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

I like the character designs, I think they are interesting.

DracoPlato

but i enjoyed it after staying committed, but that hump to get into it was a bit hard

Yeah i think the character designs are great

RebelVampire

i believe in you mharz

SirDelta God King of Mecha

i'm suprised pheny isn't here like last time

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

It could be the audience it's geared towards. It seems to be a brooding type of story while I enjoy wacky adventures or lots of humour

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

Rip

RebelVampire

pheny did drop in and out last time so could be connection problems. or just busy. it happens.

DracoPlato

i feel like it's for people who had a goth phase

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Exactly

DracoPlato

I never had that so it's hard for me to relate to anyone but the father atm

RebelVampire

i wouldnt say the story is brooding, but it is serious. so yeah its definitely not the wacky adventure story

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

I like serious stories but it should have the premise for it too

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

that wallpaper pattern is distracting me quite a bit...

DracoPlato

like centipedes

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Okay, That is what the kids these days call "#hash tag edgy" XD

DracoPlato

Loooool

RebelVampire

ah yeah that wallpaper was really hard for me but partly cause of the switch from color to black and white. so i was already having to adjust to the black and white as it was

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

As I say, I don't think I am in the right audience for this comic. I think it's really got potential and I hope people who go through with it get their millage worth

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

my eyes can't get rest

SirDelta God King of Mecha

i couldn't really get though it, it felt like too much of a slog for me, i had the same issue with I.T. but it wasn't as bad

RebelVampire

yes admittedly i think for Candour and TNSTAJ they are slower paced and i know slower paced isnt everyone's cup of tea.

DracoPlato

I enjoyed TNSTAJ more too even though i find it more confusing, but the confusion in that is part of the fun since you're trying to figure out a mystery and there's tons of theories to make from it

plus Pheny's colors are GORGEOUS

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

it would've worked better if the wallpaper patterns are gray

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

So how are these comics picked for these party nights?

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

we submit our stuffs(edited)

DracoPlato

I really like Pheny's BW but it makes the goth tone way too much for me(edited)

SirDelta God King of Mecha

the creator submits them and they go on a waiting list(edited)

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Oh man. Alright then I don't think I will submit anything until much later haha

RebelVampire

the back list is huge

DracoPlato

yeah, hahah

SirDelta God King of Mecha

yeah...

RebelVampire

its scheduled up to november but theres a few on the list i havent added

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

Yeah

SirDelta God King of Mecha

Damn

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

And yes I don't normally like looking at too much of a dark tone for some comics though it fits for this setting I guess

DracoPlato

it was hard to get a feel for what the tone is of candour tho

like i thought it was going to be serious but then random talking bear(edited)

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Like there are some B&W that are really good because working with what you have

RebelVampire

QUESTION 2. Candour is a rather unique place with its gothic style school and talking animal residents. By consequence, the seemingly normal Fristz’s siblings stick out like the newcomers they are. Why do you think the Fristz siblings are there? Do they truly belong or will their presence stir up something at Candour High? Why do they seem so calm about everything in Candour?

SirDelta God King of Mecha

well, i don't have anything for this one

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Joke answer: Because everyone is on drugs. [Don't do drugs] And I seriously think that also really bugs me is that particulary

DracoPlato

Are they calm? XD Roan wasn't that calm, lol

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I think my brain is being dumb at this point(edited)

DracoPlato

Madon was surprised but she likes the macabre so she was enjoying it(edited)

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

probably becos I just woke up

but... I can't pick up the story. LOOL

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

I don't like the idea going there. Like is everyone suffering 8th grade syndrome, or is this talking about a mental disorder because a lot of comics I read usually use seeing things you don't normally see as a symbol of a disorder

DracoPlato

it's okay Mharz, haha

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I don't understand why is he talking to that weird bird

DracoPlato

i don't think it got that far into the story

RebelVampire

roan was calm considering. i mean idk about you but i dont just calmly look at a talking animal and go "oh wow thats weird." and then focus on a different topic

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Same Mharz, I could not get into it, I tried jumping around to get myself more into it but I cant

DracoPlato

well damon would

Krazydog

Not to barge in but from what i can gather, i dont think i would read much into the comic of this topic

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

oh phen changed to toning in chapter 2

DracoPlato

not reading it is also a valid opinion on it

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I mean not chapter 2

DracoPlato

since there's reasons for that too

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

but the second half of chapter 1

RebelVampire

yes thats valid. not reading and or finishing it still means theres reasons behind it.

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Yeah this is a drop for me. I will like to hear what other people think who have read more of it

I think the designs are interesting though, I saw one of I think the teacher

DracoPlato

yeah i think the designs are the strongest aspect

I really like Madon's design particularly

although her character itself is so so to me at this point

i'm not particularly drawn to either her or roan

so i wish we'd stuck to brian

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

loving the car tho

DracoPlato

he's also older and i like that

yeah that car was great

i think the art is all around solid

RebelVampire

i like the whole visual style of the designs. like i think something about it captures gothic style so well.

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

too lazy to draw car myself

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

That car is slick, Seems drivable

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

no I don't really have any qualms on the art. Phen's art is really good.

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

I just can't do the story. But yes I think it is an audience thing.

I am not the audience for this

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

it made me think of a pancake

the car

RebelVampire

thats fair. as a person who liked it i can see the many things people would not like about it

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

Carcake

RebelVampire

so something i want to point out is the description for candour says "Hyper imaginative kids in a hyper rural town where the residents are absurd but the fiction is quite real. "

i think they wouldve eaten it for breakfast then, cali O_O

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

he got hugged by a giant bear

DracoPlato

it lost me at the talking bear(edited)

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

what is going on

DracoPlato

i can't get over that XD

like wtf why a bear

it's so out of place

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I almost thought it's a hamster

RebelVampire

LOL

so ive thinking

DracoPlato

omg XD

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I'll try to finish it up to chapter 3

there's so much dialogue that I'm super slow

should've read it yesterday

DracoPlato

yeah there is a lot of dialogue

the french was kinda hard too

since there was a lot of it

and it's not something my brain is going to attach to since it doesn't understand French

RebelVampire

since the description describes the kids as hyper imaginative, what if the animals just arent real in a sense. cause brian even said rah was supposed to just be a figment of his imagination, so what if the bear and corbin are real people but not actually animals. what if the kids just imagine them as animals cause thats how theyre processing the world out of boredom.

DracoPlato

oh that'd make sense

but as a reader i don't know if that's enjoyable

even if it's logical

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Hmm.

DracoPlato

like i feel like that's putting too much work on me as a reader

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

wait they do?

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

I think there is a problem I have with that train of thought

DracoPlato

to assume that

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

As what people called "hyper imaginative child" I never saw people as animals. I usually imagined them as an imaginary friend

when you start seeing people as things they are not

As I pointed out before usually other comics use it as a symbol as a mental disorder or something is wrong with the MC

Like in stories and books too

People appear as like monsters

But reality is the same

I don't know

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I mean I can imagine them as animals but I don't think it'll manifest physically

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Maybe I think I am going to deep into this

And like there is an actual talking bear.

DracoPlato

Oh you know what the issue is, usually when this is done and it's an imagination you're seeing from one PoV but here we switch to an omnipresent PoV

so it'd mean everyone was all seeing these things and the same way

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

yeah that's the thing

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Yeah! Good point!

DracoPlato

that's why it doesn't really work

like if it was just Brian, it worked then(edited)

that's why i was more invested when it was just brian

but when we switched and the same things are still there then it's outside of brian that these things are happening so you have to assume that's how the world is(edited)

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

I can't tell if this is fantasy or a comintary about reality

commentary

Phone plz

RebelVampire

i can say with confidence reality

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

candour is a place right?

RebelVampire

pheny plays with reality vs not reality all the time

DracoPlato

yeah they do

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Ah I see.

RebelVampire

yes candour is the town they live in

DracoPlato

but i think it's their omnipresent PoV that makes it too confusing for the reader

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

admittedly I haven't read TNSTAJ

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

That makes more sense because I don't know much about the author

DracoPlato

if they picked one PoV it'd be more solid(edited)

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

really need to work on my laziness(edited)

DracoPlato

because reality can be distorted but it won't be distorted exactly the same for everyone since then it really is just the reality

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

wait what?

the bear is seeing something different

RebelVampire

i dont think the onipresent PoV is bad as of yet but i do think a more limited PoV would be better. because it would be more understandable if my idea is correct. like dont necessarily have to stay with brian, but should focus in on one character

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

that means it's a legit bear

if it can shift perspectives like that

DracoPlato

yeah that's what i think too rebel

RebelVampire

but see thats a huge part of reality debate too tho. is about whether something is real just because most ppl agree on its appearance. cause theres always going to be one person who sees something as different

DracoPlato

but if they're all seeing a talking bear then that is reality vs. it being that one person seeing it different

RebelVampire

its their reality but doesnt mean objectively how that thing is

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

so everyone is seeing different

???

@_@

RebelVampire

not necessarily seeing different

DracoPlato

maybe only the teens are seeing things that way

but again i think atm it's falling too much on the reader to decide what the world is like in story

vs. the story telling me

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

but the bear sees them as alien creature thing

RebelVampire

theyre just all agreeing on the reality of what theyre seeing in a way.

its a really hard concept to explain

DracoPlato

i guess there's no evidence that they're all seeing things the same way either

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Hmm.

DracoPlato

since we were shown mr. bear saw them different

RebelVampire

that is true cause it is omnipresent. i mean madon and roan didnt comment the guy was a bear

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Also is it slice of life? I mean there hasn't been any action things right?

DracoPlato

i was wondering if it's going to be horror at one point

RebelVampire

id assume psychological drama

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

I can't nail down the genre

DracoPlato

yeah i couldn't either

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Ah makes sense

I feel so bad, I am totally the wrong person to be reading this

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

pheny likes them psychological stuffs

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Every author has their genre I guess

DracoPlato

oh yeah, and everyone has their own tastes in stories so whether it appeals to someone or not is entirely subjective anyway and doesn't make it good or bad

RebelVampire

you shouldnt feel bad tho. honestly this is part of the point of CTP. to have ppl try comics they wouldnt normally try and if they dont like them to still talk about why. cause its not like not liking something makes you disappear from the cosmos and it gives the creator a good perspective from a different PoV(edited)

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

it's too much for my brain... sorry I can't really pick it up

DracoPlato

i'd still enjoy people saying why they don't like my stories, since it may make me evaluate different routes later for it

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Understandable. It is also helpful for me

I know I am a comedy action dumb things person who does a lot of weird things. So when people are like "I don't like reading humour comics" it allows me to try to incorporate serious moments

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

O_O

sealing people at desks??

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

though I suck at serious moments

SirDelta God King of Mecha

normally i like pychological stuff

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I like psychological stuffs but I really having difficulty with this

RebelVampire

haha maybe that is the difference cause i am one of those ppl. im very particular with comedy so 90% of the time i wont like it. but serious stuff i all about

SirDelta God King of Mecha

i've gotten though the prolouge and a few pages of chapter one so i don't know much(edited)

DracoPlato

yeah, and to call this psychological is almost an assumption

since not knowing pheny i probably would think it was something else

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

like the candle mask

nice design

DracoPlato

yeah that design was cool

SirDelta God King of Mecha

shit thats cool

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Same, not knowing the author makes the hard to understand

DracoPlato

like rebel knows pheny and has read their other works so i think there may be a bias there in knowing it's probably psychological off the bat

RebelVampire

QUESTION 3. A few of the characters in the story have “pets” that essentially haunt them. While at first people assumed they were figments of their imagination, unrelated characters have suddenly become able to see them. Are the “pets” real? Are they a group hallucination? What role do these pets play and why do they haunt the characters?

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Also Rebel, at least I know you are not part of the audience I am trying to appeal to XD I normally only write comedy/action

DracoPlato

it's okay, i'm more of a comedic audience

RebelVampire

idk tho. i think the comic still hints at psychological stuff cause they all start seeing the pets and the minute ppl start seeing things that arent supposed to be real, youre probably heading in the psychological direction

DracoPlato

see that just seemed like fantasy to me

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

God if Willis comes alive I would ride him into the sunset. He is a headless horse man. I would love for my imaginary friends to exist

DracoPlato

like a magical girl esque thing

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

Rebel reads anything

SirDelta God King of Mecha

i wasn't sure about it being a figment of imagination

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Also yah for Draco liking comedy :D

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

cus she does reviews too

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Oh that makes sense

SirDelta God King of Mecha

i though its was just a spooky bird

RebelVampire

yes it is true i do read anything. but to be fair doesnt mean i like everything. theres even comics ive given good reviews that personal taste wise i was like "i never wnat to read this again."

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Well ahead of time, the point is always to have fun reading comics so I am willing to give everything a try

DracoPlato

oh 3. birds reminded me of magical girls and i thought they'd need to help with some doomsday magic issue

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

well that's okay

Dichrome

Whn all the rah birds started showing up at the end I got really confused

DracoPlato

i was interested in why they were there but then it went on hiatus

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

at least you give objectiive reviews

RebelVampire

OMG Draco. this is clearly the true candour

its just madoka

Dichrome

And they are all callerd Rah?

DracoPlato

Hey maybe?

I'm all for magical boy Brian

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

I would be so down for magical stuff

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I'm on chapter 3 already

DracoPlato

you're almost there Mharz~!

RebelVampire

even if i assume im off my rocker and that the psychological assumptions are wrong and the comic is what it is, id still like the comic. but im speaking highly from personal taste wise cause it hits the right amount of weird where i can still suspend disbelief and accept things are what they are.

DracoPlato

oh no i think you're right it's psychological

just if i knew nothing about pheny coming into it i'm not sure that's what i'd think reading it

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

I like weird, but I guess of course everyone had different tastes for weird

DracoPlato

I love weird!

I don't like being confused XD

and i don't like being asked to fill in the blanks

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

I have lots of weird stuff in everything I do but yes I agree I don't like being confused or do like "It's all up to your own interpation"

DracoPlato

yeah, but some people love it's your interpretation things

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

I read to forget reality, Don't tell me to think

DracoPlato

just i'm not one of them

i got my own stories to write, don't ask me to write yours

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Feather is a dumb and likes to not think when possible

DracoPlato

figuratively that is

same feather, same

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Specially when I think too much

That's why I think I am reading too into this

RebelVampire

the way you word that feather makes me sad as now im like i read to forget reality to. and i do so by reading about reality and giving myself an existential crisis XD

DracoPlato

i usually read things based on characters

if i like a character i'll continue reading

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Hahaha XD sorry Rebel

DracoPlato

i like Brian

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

But it's true I don't like reading slice of life or anything in reality to be honest

like of this can happen in real life I don't want to read about it

DracoPlato

buuut i don't know if i like him enough to continue reading it

RebelVampire

ya know i think this is a huge part of candour thats going to be splitting. cause its not as character driven as most comics. its way more about themes and stuff imo.

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

read to the latest

O_O

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

I don't like things getting too real for me

DracoPlato

yeah that's true rebel, that's a good point

it's story based so far

but you can't tell what the story is

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

True.

DracoPlato

so there's not much to hang on to atm

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

But I can handle a story if the characters are good

DracoPlato

same

good characters will do a lot to keep me reading

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

I can't handle a character being bad with a good story

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

okay

uhhh hmmm from what I read it's kids with weird imagination just going on their own lives

RebelVampire

waits on bated breath for mharz

DracoPlato

so in a story you're either invested in the characters or the story or both

but this didn't catch me really on any that strongly

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I assume everything they imagine will be real for everyone?

DracoPlato

i dunno

RebelVampire

its possible. its hard to say cause a lot of the things were seeing arent necessarily being addressed

what if im the crazy one

what if as the omnipresent story reader i see the bear but the characters in story dont see the bear

DracoPlato

right, this is one of the things we took issue with

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

cus the bird thingies starting to appear so I get the sense that's the direction they're going?

DracoPlato

but the bird always appeared to him alone

so we don't know if nobody saw them before

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

Yus

RebelVampire

although didnt avvy seem to imply theyve seen the bird before

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

I wish to flip a table

RebelVampire

so its more ppl outside their family suddenly seeing them

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

sadyly I'm not invested in the characters

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

I forgot how to flip table

DracoPlato

yeah, she'd seen the bird

RebelVampire

or at least roan is seeing them

DracoPlato

but i don't think brian knew

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

/flip table

Darn

RebelVampire

tableflip

slash is right tho

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

/tableflip

DracoPlato

avvy may have never seen the bird around others either for all we know

RebelVampire

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Fhrcjodssjfjdoxd

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

//tableflip

DracoPlato

the assumption is others couldn't see them

but it's an assumption

RebelVampire

you have been denied the table flips

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

/table flip

Cries

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

honestly it's hard for someone who has a simple brain like me

SirDelta God King of Mecha

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Flops over Why

DracoPlato

yeah that was our issue is it's asking readers to work too hard

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

I just wanted to make a joke and it doesn't let me

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

Rip

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

/tableflip

Why what am I doing wronf

RebelVampire

i really wish the comic hadnt gone on hiatus cause where it leaves off with the pets is really...troublesome as far as understand whats going on.

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)

DracoPlato

i think it'll be better when it's further along tho and there's more story to grab onto

yeah

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

too many flipped tables

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

This is how I feel about the comic

like I try to understand but I cant

I want to flip table but I cant

I fail either way

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I can read through stuffs but it's more of whether I can invest on the characters or the emotional feels that will make me continue reading it

DracoPlato

^^^^

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Agreed

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

and also I probably just suck at picking the story up

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Also agreed. Like if I saw this comic and something else I would not pick this comic up in general

DracoPlato

i'd look at it for the visuals

but wouldn't stick with it

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

If the prologue is the only thing for both comics

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

the style isn't my cup of tea tbh

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

at the same time I am super picky because not enough time to read everything

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I am extremely picky

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Also agreed Mharz, I find the Gothic dark stuff not my cup of tea

DracoPlato

the style reminds me a bit of Jhonen Vasquez

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

has no idea who it is

DracoPlato

who did Johnny the Homicidal Maniac

RebelVampire

i really depend on the story. like for me candour has strong enough themes and supernatural elements that i can dig and get through with...not as strong characters. so i dont demand it be character driven

DracoPlato

mixed with manga

i feel like i could like the characters more if there's more story

so maybe if more is added to it my feelings will change

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

it is. but I tend to read more if I like the characters

Dichrome

The start was interesting, thought it'd be about kids who could see figments of their imagination

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I should've read yesterday with a more leveled mind

not after I just woke up

I was busy drawing pages okay

Dichrome

But its like something's affecting ther whole town...

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

I think I couldn't even get behind the premise. Hit too close to my reality which means I auto nope qwq

DracoPlato

I couldn't relate to it since I was never a goth I think

and i'm way out of that age bracket now

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

I am more for the imagination thing. I was never goth either

DracoPlato

i'd have liked it more reading it as a teen though

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

DracoPlato

so maybe that's more the demographic

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

I would hate it as a teen so as I said I was not the right audience and that's okay. I think my friend would love this comic

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

Yus

DracoPlato

yeah i know lots of people who would love this

RebelVampire

to be honest, i think part of the story's flaw as it were is its kind of expecting a certain...reader expectation for rural towns. cause if you read a lot of novels set in rural towns, at least in fantasy and horror and drama genres, they treat it like rural towns like these sleeping grounds for supernatural stuff to be normal. and i think for comics that expectation doesnt work because thats not something i see a lot in comics.

Dichrome

Is... Phenyl goth? xD

DracoPlato

oh you may be right Rebel

I grew up in a rural time

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

ah true

DracoPlato

but it wasn't like that, so i probably never get that feel from rural towns, lol

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

no it seems to be a trope

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

I see

DracoPlato

we had more deer hunters than supernatural

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

at this point at least

I mean I hear supernatural lores on provinces

DracoPlato

there were a TON of ghost stories on the east coast tho

cause of the civil war

RebelVampire

this is a very specific trope in novels. like the more rural, the more supernatural bullshit happens. but its rarely treated as weird.

hmm

the more i think about it

the more i think candour reminds me of novels

vs. comics

DracoPlato

oh that could be

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I did read a book here where a guy took a vacation on a province only to find out that the residents are in a cult(edited)

that kind of stuff

DracoPlato

oh yeah that is a super common trope, rebel is right

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

Yus

DracoPlato

beautiful creatures was one i thought of first

RebelVampire

i thought of most stephen king novels XD

like children of the corn

DracoPlato

and shamalan

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Man i feel really old after thinking about how many things I wouldn't read as a teen because my mind was too old

DracoPlato

Lolol

i actually like things for kids best

cause they're pretty mellow

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

my physical body can't not match my mental age

RebelVampire

QUESTION 4. The beginning of the comic features Brian trying to leave his past of “future-seeing nonsense” due to almost getting hurt. What do you think happened to Brian and how does it affect the larger story? Do you think Brian can actually see into the future or is something else going on?

DracoPlato

i wondered if the students were being experimented on(edited)

and he was part of that

maybe not even as a student

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

Hmmm

DracoPlato

but if nothing is real either and they're all just vivid imaginators there's really no point to wondering either

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Draco no, You literally made me think about all the metaphors

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I mean he got the thing about mandor(?) wrong unless they are lying

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

"sealed to seats" Is strapped down to a table

the teacher is a scientist

DracoPlato

will if it's fiction maybe they're just picturing their teachers torturing them

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

the bird is a coping mech

abbbbbdjcdolskxl

DracoPlato

when really the teachers are just giving them lessons

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

/tableflip

DracoPlato

but yeah that'd be way more interesting if they were actually being experimented on XD

i was hoping it'd turn into horror

but the genre was never stated that i saw

RebelVampire

maybe what happened to brian is he had a dream about a serial killer and saw the guy and went after him cause haha fun imagination. but then the guy really was a serial killer(edited)

DracoPlato

maybe brian is the serial killer

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

Rip

DracoPlato

maybe it's the talking bear

Dichrome

I can never catch the references orz

DracoPlato

#DracoLetTheBearGo

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

maybe what brian sees will be the endgame

Dichrome

There's so much in the writing...

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

and it'll slowly unravel in the future

DracoPlato

it's sad my mind drifted when reading it to wondering what brian's long terms plans were now that he's graduated HS

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

too early to judge

but I doubt I'll get back to it.

draco

DracoPlato

this is why rebel does reviews, she's a far better reader than i am

are you in college brian, is working in this store your end game, maybe you could be a fortune teller

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

rip

draco

DracoPlato

what's your yearly income going to be brian

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

noooo

jeezus draco

RebelVampire

haha i dont think that makes you a bad reader. i mean i said i did get distracted wondering if the kids were getting a good education with their school setup

DracoPlato

all real thoughts i had while reading

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

Yeah

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

I am the most worstest reader

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

but LOL those are pretty irrelevant

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

that sentences explains why

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I and the super duper worsest. I can't pick up the story

Rip

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Same Mharz I get flashbacks to when people thought I had mental problems because I had imaginary frienxs

Which is why I think I am accidently projecting too much on this comic and why I can't pick it up

reality sucks

DracoPlato

Dichrome

Whoa

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

it's okay...

I do tend to talk to myself. OwO

Dichrome

Theree there

RebelVampire

i had that happen too in my youth. some of my family thought i was crazy cause i had imaginary friends. jokes on them i dont like that part of my family anyway

DracoPlato

Looool

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I still do LOOL I just don't show it when there's people or at least I try

DracoPlato

I couldn't even make imaginary friends i was so friendless

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

Rip

DracoPlato

but i talked to myself a lot

RebelVampire

so since theres only 20 mins left, i wanted to see if anyone had any thoughts on what avvy meant by when she told kamm that the invasion was coming.

DracoPlato

I thought aliens were coming

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

Yeah

DracoPlato

but now i'm thinking it was the birds

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

that was weird

DracoPlato

but she seemed surprised by the birds

so why would you be surprised if you knew they were coming

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I initially thought they're plotting an invasion

DracoPlato

Same

RebelVampire

my current thought is maybe she knew roan and madon were coming

cause theyre the only invaders ive noticed

DracoPlato

oh that could be

and teachers could have said new students tomorrow

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

yus

that's probably true

DracoPlato

who knows

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

especially when the bear saw them as aliens

DracoPlato

could just be her period coming too

RebelVampire

oh wait maybe that was kamm saying the invasion is coming

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Lool

RebelVampire

not that im looking at the page again

DracoPlato

invasion in mah pants- shot

aka shark week

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

tho what did brian saw that madon(?) is a prisoner??

DracoPlato

yeah and that she was 9

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

but she's already 14??

DracoPlato

but looks 9

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

that got me confused a lot

@_@

DracoPlato

so maybe is 9 but lied

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

chances are they are lying

DracoPlato

she could have skipped grades

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

buut it doesn't seem that she's a prisoner

RebelVampire

honestly would not be surprised if he just dreamed and then forcibly gave the role to madon. cause its not like we saw his dream. maybe this story is about how brian is refusing to grow up and leave behind the youthful imaginings of teen life. and thats what the beginning with the laptop was about. he wanted to delete the logs and move on but since he didnt finished hes still stuck being a teen

#rebelplzstopgettingsodeepwiththis

DracoPlato

there is literally nothing this story could do that would surprise me at the moment

which is one of the reasons i can't really get into it that much

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

that might work

I can't think that complex

RebelVampire

to be fair to brian tho, i have a lot of dejavu dreams. so i can see how someone would start to interpret that as having future seeing powers.

DracoPlato

yeah that'd be a neat interpretation of it

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

deja vu is normal I think

that won't make you a fortune teller

when I get dejavu it's only a wee bit fragment

like hmmm I feel that I've done this before

RebelVampire

dejavu is normal. my dejavu is more my brain will decide i remember dreaming about this exact moment happening

but

when youre younger and dont understand dejavu that well its easy to become enraptured with the idea your some future seeing seer

and i say this from personal embarrassing experience XD

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

True

DracoPlato

i think this begs the question how fantasy is the story

if the genre was stated somewhere it would have said ALOT about the story that would have helped i think

RebelVampire

its drama

if you look at the tags

DracoPlato

oh okay

wow

that is not what i would have guessed

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I don't think it was fantasy

but I diidn't think it was drama either

more of a supernatural thriller???

RebelVampire

i wouldve guessed that. i just dont think weve gotten to the drama parts as much. i feel were very much still in exposition territory

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

Yeah

DracoPlato

it's almost more comedic than drama tho

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

really?

I wasn't laughing LOOL

RebelVampire

its not like drama is devoid of comedy tho

what

you didnt laugh at their dad(edited)

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

me and my sense of humor

RebelVampire

who has hot water and oats

DracoPlato

love that line

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

oh I didn't noticed

DracoPlato

love the dad

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

Rip

DracoPlato

really loved it until the talking bear

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I'm sooo dumb

DracoPlato

like yeah i'm digging this, brian is pretty okay, cute hair, going to work, such a good boy

BAM

giant talking bear

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I thought it was a hamster for a sec

DracoPlato

one big hamster

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

Yus

RebelVampire

at least the bear is cuddly

DracoPlato

but why

whhhhhhhhhhy

is this care bears

RebelVampire

maybe youre just questioning it too much. just accept that as their reality

that their gas station store owner is a bear

whats the big deal O_O

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

uhhh

it's big

DracoPlato

and i was, was like okay....well there's a uh bear

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

and it might squish me?

DracoPlato

but then the school and the talking birds

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

then I'll turn into mush

DracoPlato

and the teacher like nope can't use my name, but i have a horn and dressed like a priest

what are my expectations meant to be for this world

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

LMAO

DracoPlato

WHY IS THE DEVIL TEACHING YOU AND ONLY YOU

gawd Roan

RebelVampire

admittedly im really fascinated by this teacher who is like graduate and you can know my name

DracoPlato

teacher's pet on the first day

RebelVampire

does that have something to do with the horrible brian stuff

DracoPlato

i was fascinated by the teacher cause he was kinda hot

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

probably???

Idk

DracoPlato

who knows

he may just have a horn fetish and likes to play dress up

there may be a bondage room in his classroom

he may literally be the devil

RebelVampire

Teacher: It's been a whole year and you've successfully graduated. Now you can know my names. It's John.

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

draco!

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

Rip

DracoPlato

what am i supposed to cling to in this story

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

all that hardwork for john

I'm envious it has an average of 30 likes in every update

RebelVampire

i think thats part of the story tho. not to cling to anything. this is assassin's creed again of nothing is true, everything is permitted

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

LOOL

DracoPlato

yeah I think this story is great and will appeal to a lot of people

like feather i'm not it's target audience is all

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

Yus

RebelVampire

one is the lonliest number :"D

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

it's not my cup of tea either

:' D

DracoPlato

well at least now we know Mharz, now we know

RebelVampire

Unfortunately, the scheduled Comic Tea Party is now complete~! Thank you everyone so much for joining this week’s chat~! That being said, if you would like to continue discussing the comic, we encourage you to do so~! We want to give a big thank you to Phenylketonurics, as well, for volunteering Candour is Going Mad for our reading queue. If you liked the comic, please be sure to support Phenylketonurics’s efforts. If you have questions, concerns, or suggestions about CTP, please feel free to PM me, or e-mail me at [email protected].

With that said, next week’s Comic Tea Party will focus on The Angel with Black Wings by Mharz. Please use this week to read as much of the comic as you would like. Hope to see you next Thursday (June 22nd) from 5PM to 7PM PST~! Until then~! Comic: https://tapas.io/series/tabw

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