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i feel like i'm going crazy because my friends literally don't fucking care like at all. i was speaking to one of them today and when i was done she was just like "yeah it's horrible. anyway!" like bitch tf do you mean anyway??? fucking do something???? if you can see that it's horrible fucking do something, anything at all!!! but she won't because she doesn't fucking care. and another friend, who i also haven't heard a goddamn peep out of, but i know has been watching my many many stories on what's going on in palestine and the MANY protests and events here just posted pics of her like. chilling having fun at a cute wee coffee shop less than 10 minutes away from where the march was. she was right there and she didn't go because she wanted coffee. because that is what's important to her and i'm a shit person for thinking that's disgusting. how can you be so detached and deluded? it's not because they don't know what's happening i'm TELLING them what's happening they're actively choosing not to get involved and not to care, because it doesn't personally impact them enough
#i know i KNOW they aren't the real enemy here but i am so fucking disgusted#by them and everyone like them#how DARE they#how DARE they do fucking NOTHING and then still sit around all preachy and superior whenever i get āemotionalā#i confronted the 2nd one abt it and her response was literally ādarling calm downā and then tried to hold my hand#and pull me off to talk about like. anime#fuck off fuck OFF#how can they brush all this away with a wave of a hand#likhow do you swipe past a video of a gazan woman at a protest talking about 23 members of her immediate family are dead and begging#the world to listen and the people to speak up#and them be like damn :/ doesn't affect me though!#you know what i should post about! coffee!#i don't know how to make them care#i feel crazy because im not even asking them to like go shouting in the streets or do anything difficult. just do SOMETHING#so many posts about coffee not one about palestine#the moral integrety of a dead rat
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Katniss is such an unreliable narrator. She says "Then something unexpected happens. At least, I don't expect it because I don't think of District 12 as a place that cares about me" girl you deliver strawberries to the Mayor, you hunt and trade for the district, when you fell at Prim being chosen someone caught you, when you went to Prim people parted for you, when you volunteered EVERYONE stopped. Idk how to tell you but I think you're a pillar of the community.
#katniss everdeen#the hunger games trilogy#the hunger games#primrose everdeen#hunger games#batcavescolony reads the hunger games#suzanne collins#'now it seems i have become someone precious' NOW? GIRL BFFR you're their hunter girl#and this isn't negative just bffr girl#your WHOLE DISTRICT did the three finger salute that you yourself says means admiration thanks and goodbye to someone you love and on top is#old a rarely used. your WHOLE DISTRICT decided in that moment that they needed to bring back this sign of respect for YOU#...................................................................#idk why some people are thinking i mean this as negative i don't she is unreliable but its not intentional. like when Peeta heart stoped in#CF she doesn't know what Finnick is doing at first cus she doesn't know off the top of her head what cpr is. she also thinks Peeta after the#reaping is acting for the cameras. he isnt we dind out later his mom basically told him Katniss was gonna win and he would die. obviously#shes not doing it on purpose shes just for lack of better words uneducated? as in she doesn't know everything shes not omnipotent#so when Plutarch (? second games guy) shows her his mokingjay hiden watch shes like *wtf that's weird?* then the people traveling to#district 13 show her the mockingjay cookie and explains it and she then goes on the difference between his watch and their cookie#and why does eveyone act as if district 12 is as bad as the capital? they CANT help Katniss and Prim in the way you want. they cant give#them food. none of them have any! and im not putting iton Katniss but they hid they needed food so they could stay together. it sounds like#some of you are in this our world mentally of what people do after a loved one dies (brings food constantly checks on them etc) district 12#cant do that. they dont have food and they're all suffering. you cant give someone food when you have none to give. then theirs the fact#that peeta DID help. Peeta buring the bread and tossing some to her then taking a beating from his mom is a HUGE thing in the books.#he used his resources to help her like you all said someone should.#district 12 DID (rip) care about Katniss before the hunger games. why do you think she was allowed to hunt? or how her trades were good#these are the little ways 12 can shows Katniss they love her. but again Katniss doesn't see this and YES its because she had ptsd before the#hunger games as well. i swear some of you make it seem like d12 was all living a life of luxury and glaring down at Katniss.#other things that show Katniss is in hight standing with at least her people of d12 is her dad was known enough through d12 for peeta dad to#comment on his singing along with his commenting on her mom. also her mom is a healer in the community. yeah her parents arnt the top but#of d12 but they are/were definitely high staning in the Seam.
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Chara knows something that we don't, methinks...
BONUS COMIC
FIRST - PREVIOUS - NEXT
MASTERPOST (for the full series / FAQ / reference sheets)
#undertale#deltarune#utdr#crossover#crossover comic#undertale fanart#deltarune fanart#twin runes#twin runes comic#twin runes au#my art#chara#susie deltarune#ralsei#yeah the mirror aesthetic wasn't JUST for show#I knew from the start I wanted to incorproate a maze into this dark world as a way to split up characters#and make them confront their internalized issues#it's traumatizing#but also healing in a way#buuuuuuuut we don't know how kris and frisk have been dealing with this#they might have a lot of baggage to take care of....
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help a palestinian doctor evacuate his three family members in gaza
vetted by operation olive branch (line 85)
$25,830 raised of $50,000 as of november 5
since this fundraiser has started back in early 2024, we've only managed to help fund the escape of dr moath and his mother, basma. three family members remain in gaza including moath's father and his two younger brothers.
please help his family. this fundraiser has been stagnating badly and i'm incredibly worried for yusuf, ahmed, and their father. we need less than $5000 in order to evacuate one of them. if you have any money to spare please please please contribute to this campaign.
#i don't know how to appeal to you i dont know how to 'market' these peoples lives to make you care.#all i can think about is the family having to choose who gets to evacuate and who has to stay behind and hopefully survive because their#fundraiser isn't gaining enough funds to evacuate them all at once#i can't imagine the amount of pain that causes. i can't imagine how terrifying it must be#to lose contact like that with your family in these circumstances. especially when one of them is 56 (moath's father)
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while teen while goblin while aroace while injured while doing your best
#fantasy high junior year#fhjy#riz gukgak#figueroth faeth#sklonda gukgak#dimension 20#this. mmmmhhh this is so. I did Not know how to draw this really.#I am very normal about riz (<- lying)#it's a brennan-dm d20 campaign the bad guy is always capitalism (I am saying this with clenched teeth)#riz out of all of them being aroace fucks with me SO bad. bc its also established that elmsville specifically and probably the#majority of solace is not. made for goblins. and that becomes sklonda being worked to the bone and pok dying on the job#and riz spending all his time trying to keep his friends together. maybe to the point of it being injurous#like. do u get what I mean. its an economy of time it takes your time it eats up your time#not just the gukgaks but everyone you have to spend time to get to live and you don't have a lot of time left in a day#and you have to spend it carefully. you have to prioritize#you're somewhere without an established community and companionship is bought with your time spent working#this place doesn't take care of you. at the end of the day who do you have who'd prioritize you. do you understand me#the evolved aroace loathing where if your friends and family are granted more time nobody would have to choose. we live in a society#holds ur hand we live in a society. idk if Im making any sense#anyway . uhhh riz is my favourite that's my statement thank you for listening. au revoir
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Perceptive kid, I wonder just how much they pretend not to overhear.
#ignooore that a5 bonnie doesnt get the nice resolved versions of their discussions with sif.. i still think they can navigate it eventually#in stars and time#isat#isat spoilers#in stars and time fanart#isat fanart#isat loop#isat bonnie#lucabyteart#the dialogue in this kicked my asssss. trying to balance loop's evasiveness and layered meaning...#to spell it out: it's not that loop is actually *that* worried they'll hurt bonnie. it's that they think siffrin is being a fucking idiot#and being extremely sloppy in their protection of their party by trusting them to not be a loose cannon. THEY simply wouldn't#be that irresponsible if it were them!!! hmph!!! ... because they care. and because they maybe Are a little worried.#they don't want that responsibility. they gave that all up. stop making them responsible again. stop stop stop#and as for the other half of the meaning here: get called out idiot. not on purpose of course. bonnie doesn't know (yet).#but it's a brisk reminder of the hypocrisy (since even if loop makes sly reference to their identity to sif all the time... one must wonder#how often it actually sinks in that that's true....? it must be hard to get your head around when you refuse to admit that your habits and#demeanor have changed so drastically since then. like wtf thats not what i would do! clearly a different guy ! faker !! and yet...)#but yeah idk i think about loop and bonnie's relationship a lot. the one party member i dont think loop could ever bring themselves to be#mean to. because cmon. thats a kid. but still... the emotional distance probably stings even worse than usual.#and once bonnie finds out.... ! well. that emotional distance probably stings. even worse. than usual.
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Just going to cry again (see: my previous post about the parallels between the storage room scene and the abandoned factory scene) about parallels and juxtapositions in the store room scene vs the one in Styles bedroom:
Both these scenes have such a tone of desperation and are characterised by an overflowing of emotions, but in drastically opposite directions.
(Note, some of what I say in this post directly relates to concepts and themes I talked about here, so it may not wholly make sense without that context.)
The scene in the storeroom is filled with frustrated desire. Fadel kisses Style because he wants Style's body and also wants to take his frustrations at Style out on his body. He doesn't need to look Style in the eye (and in fact very intentionally only does so only in small snatches) because this isn't about a connection as much as it is about a release. Fadel's kisses come fast, hard, and are intended to bruise more than to adore.
But episode 5's scene is filled with much more quiet and tender sort of desire. Style is kissing Fadel so much more slowly and purposefully. He keeps looking back at Fadel, checking in to see how he feels and whether Fadel is enjoying it. Everything Style wanted in Episode 3, he now gives to Fadel here, pours the secrets of his knowing and choosing Fadel anyway into the way he presses his lips onto Fadel's skin. His kisses linger, they carry a weight but are somehow infinitely gentle still; Style's kisses contain a purpose that Fadel's kisses couldn't in Episode 3 because in all honesty they were relative strangers back then.
There's also the way there's such a ferocity and carelessness in the way Fadel starts the encounter in episode 3 that is juxtaposed beautifully by the slow, tender, almost hesitant way Style slides his lips onto Fadel's. Both of them are in such different headspaces, between these episodes and its especially evident in the way they care so much more about the other person's comfort and how intentionally they showed that to the audience.
There's hunger present in both scenes but what this hunger is focused on is so drastically different. In the storeroom, they're both mainly focused on a physical release; its primal and visceral but lacked emotional resonance. Fadel gives Style what he knows Style wants (that hint of danger, with the hand on his neck), but its not because he really cares about what Style wants on anything more than a physical level. In Style's bedroom, however, Fadel is drunk (intentionally and by his own design) and desperate to open himself up to Style on an emotional level. Meanwhile, Style wants that desperately too, but knows that Fadel shouldn't because of his own terrible secret. So this kiss is what they both will allow themselves - an honesty and a hunger for this deeper connection they can only share in act but not in words.
In the storeroom, Style wants Fadel to want more than his body but knows (or thinks) he can't push for it yet, so he remains passive, lets Fadel do whatever he wants, lets him turn and shove and place Style how he wants because at this point, this is all Fadel will give him. Here, Style is passive in spite of what he wants. But in the bedroom, Fadel is passive because it's what he wants; he wants to let Style do whatever he desires to and with Fadel's body. He wants to lay himself as bare as he possibly can, which is only physical, and so he does.
And because the encounter in Episode 3 lacked that emotional connection, the focus is merely their respective releases. There's a sense of two people trying to find pleasure and 'finish' while remaining emotionally disconnected despite actively having sex with each other. Because in some ways, they didn't really need each other in that moment to get there (there's actually a lot of truth in what Fadel says about it being easier to just jerk off alone). In sharp contrast, the scene in Episode 5 isn't focused on the destination but on the journey. Style is taking his time and Fadel is letting him - Style is choosing to worship Fadel's body, with his fingers, with his lips, to respond to his vulnerability with gentleness and tenderness and adoration. The goal has stopped being about finding a release, it's about allowing both these men to revel in the giving and receiving of pleasure.
The point of these scenes is to show to us the ways in which Fadel and Style have grown to care for and, dare I say it, love each other in ways that are so purposefully portrayed by showing the nature of their physical connection. Because the ways in which these scenes are the same and yet so wholly different showcases how their touches are now no longer merely tied to their senses any longer, but also to their hearts as well.
#when i say i am OBSESSED ugh T_T#what joongdunk did in episode 5 just makes me appreciate and anew how much they're intentionally changing things each time#there's such care taken to portraying the characters growth and change of feelings and we are so blessed to be able to experience it!#the heart killers#the heart killers the series#fadelstyle#stylefadel#joongdunk#joong archen#dunk natachai#thk ep 5#thk ep 3#thk meta#hui talks thk#hui talks thai bl#shoutout to all the gifmakers because this post wasn't nearly as impactful with stills#i do wish there was a better way to search for gifs though TwT#also i've never been a colour analysis girl (because i don't know enough about it; not because i'm not interested...#i mostly don't know where to start)#but wow the lighting feels very intentional too: the cold and clinical shades of blue indicating the emotional distance between them#vs the warm and soft red/orange glow surrounding style's bedroom scene#yeah everything about these scene was so beautifully done and i'm so grateful we get to see it TwT
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Eloise Bridgerton being an absolute mood:
and Cressida's reaction of 'this girl is so weird, but I'm into it??? Wait am I into this??'':
#i was so sad that no one had made gifs of this moment#that i simply made one myself#i just love this almost smile cressida has here#like she can't believe eloise would just say and do this sort of thing#which kind of also adds to what she says in a later episode about eloise being courageous#she means this; eloise just being unapologetically herself without caring about whats appropriate#something cressida doesn't have the freedom to do (because she lacks the family support eloise has) but probably wishes she could#i love finding these little moments bc you can interpret so much from them even though they're only seconds long#yes i am autistic why do you ask?#eloise bridgerton#cressida cowper#creloise#bridgerton#bridgerton s3#bridgerton 3x02#gifs#my gifs#(also i don't know how to gif i did my best with what gimp can do)#bc id rather die than using something adobe makes
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NO MORE ASSOCIATING THINGS WITH FEMMES ONLY BECAUSE THEY ARE PINK!HYPERFEM FEMMES ARE GREAT AND I LOVE YOU CAMPY FEMMES WHO EMBODY PINK BUT ALSO JESUS CHRIST CAN YOU GUYS NOT GO MORE THAN ONE DAY W/O TRYING TO SHOEHORN FEMMES INTO BEING ONLY PINK UWU BABIES. I AM FEMME AS IN GRASS AS IN DIRT AS IN TREE BARK AS IN WEEDS SPROUTING THROUGH THE SIDEWALK CEMENT. FEMME AS IN GENDER NONCONFORMITY AS IN FUCK YOU MY FEMININITY IS WHAT *I* SAY IT IS. FEMME AS IN DEPTH AND DARKNESS AND WARMTH AND TERROR. FEMME AS IN CAVES. FEMME AS IN LIGHTNING. FEMME AS IN AN AMALGAMATION OF TRAITS THAT I HAVE DECIDED ARE FEMININE REGARDLESS OF WHAT SOCIETY SAYS. FUCK IS IT THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND?!???
#personal#i am emotional yes#over the years ive had this blog I've made a few posts abt being femme#nd whether they're serious or jokey..... inevitably someone in the tags goes āohhh yeah bc pinkā#or in the case of what inspired this post: someone going āwhat about the pink onesā on my praying mantis post#and im just.#sick of it. im sick of femme being equated to pink and frilly girlie behaviors.#im sick of femme being equated to skirts and heels. to makeup. to skincare. to pristine nails exactly almond shaped.#im sick of ppl acting like All femmes aspire to this shit. im sick of femms being reduced to this shit.#and i love pink! i love pink! my phone theme is quite literally just black and pink all over.#im just. so tired of any expression of Femme identity being shoehorned into being a Specific type of femininity#especially as someone who DOES get dysphoric wearing skirts. wearing dresses. embodying the femme aesthetic yall are so set on making#if u guys wanna rb this i truly dont care#i just needed to scream#and this is one small thing#but the 2nd largest category of anon hate i have gotten since making this blog is str8 up homophobia from other āqueerā folks#saying i cant be femme bc of how i present. calling me slurs (and using them as such) bc they cant understand femme as anything but that#my wife and i have our users in our personal discord server set as 2 different things of anon hate ive gotten#i have had OTHER FEMMES tell me i am not femme. femmes who Know im femme who still call me butch. femmes who ive corrected and been blocked#-by bc of it. the number 1 largest demographic of queerfolk who have me blocked rn is TME femmes who embody pink also#and i dont think its a coincidence at all. (and i know this bc i go to try and follow these ppl bc they get rbed on my dash & i cant)#and ik their blogs arent deleted bc some of them don't block my wife (tall. white. butch) and it cant be politics cause her and i rb#a lot of the same political shit (fuck. i think she rbs More than i do even. this is genuinely mainly a nsft blog)#and usually i don't say anything but im having a bad day so i get to be angry about this and if anyone fucking tries me i will block u#idc if we've been mutuals 4ever. im judt so tired of feeling like i am not Enough as a femme bc i dont embody this shit#im sick of this lameass lip service to he/him gnc femmes etc when the thin white 50s housewife femme is still what is preferred and loved#im sick of this lamesss lip service when y'all feel entitled to theorizing on other femmes genders bc u cant conceptualize a femme who does#wanna be hypetfeminine. im sick of it. im sick of it. im sick of it.#celebrity bun
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If I were a writer at a big game company working on a sequel to a beloved series and the higher ups kept telling me to make the game shittier and kept sending my work back to me to be dumbed down even further somehow, and then once most of the writing was done they laid me and my coworkers off illegally without severance, I'd probably gleefully watch as people trashed the shitty game that shipped.
#bioware critical#veilguard critical#datv critical#like I would have had a first row seat to exactly why the game sucked#and it probably sucked to have your ideas trashed assuming that's a thing that happened#and to watch DA get watered down to fucking nothing#if that is what happened#and then to get fucking FIRED after writing the complete drivel they demanded#yeah I'd be eating popcorn and watching the bad reviews come in like I TOLD you Chad the fans aren't THAT stupid#and ahah yeah that sequence sure DOES make no sense after the 'editing' job Barb did#but as someone who does not have a parasocial relationship with the writers and in fact has no desire to learn their names#I will never know how they spent this time#I don't really care#I don't know them#I have the same general wishes for wellbeing as I do any fellow humans#so I hope your popcorn was salty and buttery and hot I guess#on second thought i could also see someone being bitterly devastated that something they devoted so much of their life to came to this#but i still dont think its the fans or haters they would feel devastated by
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that ivan loves till is the most obvious thing about them
but. does ivan know thatā¦?
the ivan that regards his own feelings as shallow, the ivan that learned how emotions are expressed only from copying othersā¦ does he even know that the love heās felt for so long is love? probably not. and part of the reason is the one he loves himself
because the easiest example he has of love is till's feelings to mizi. till outright calls it love, and ivan watches him so much he has to be aware of this and tillās love to mizi is totally unselfish, right. he doesnāt seem to actually want much from herājust that she's still there and still "mizi"
but ivan can't be satisfied with just watching heā¦ wants. ivan wants tillās attention, tillās affectionā
surely this selfish wanting canāt be love
...no wonder he was never able to express his feelings straightforwardly when he belittles them so much but he canāt stand not having anything either, so he doesā¦ whatever he does instead to get any scraps of attention he can, from someone he's convinced doesn't care about him at all only showing affection when till can't see it, right until he knows he's going to die
but ivan's feelings for till are all he still has of himself... to think of them as shallow...
I've seen this translated as "I should've been kinder" to him (till) or to her (sua)
but really, the one he should've been kinder to was himself
#alien stage#alnst#alnst ivan#ivantill#i have a lot of thoughts on till -> mizi too but this is long enough#just attempting to rewrite my twt rambles more coherently#idk why i wrote this so dramatically tho...#'thank you for being the victim of my shallow emotions' is going to haunt me to my grave#ivan's character is just a careful balance between his natural freak nature and his extreme depths of self-loathing#making him the most miserable guy ever#...really once you realize so much of what went wrong is thanks to ivan just hating himself too much to even think of them as friends. well#c...can we bring him back... don't die like this.....#(also you know. with the implications of how 'pets' are treated#wanting someone physically must feel... even more wrong
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PART 2/2: in which lock-pickingāļøāš„ is 100% a valid love language, and waking up with āØSteve HarringtonāØ was NOT the future (exactly. maybe. ish.)
...but waking up in a hospital bed just might be ā„ļø
<<< last time: And Eddie thinks thatās highly fucking debatableāheās not sure where it comes from, because itās a little out of place, Eddie didnātĀ sayĀ anything but maybe heās just that transparent, the heart of him so quickly, soĀ completely, and if thatās the case then itāsĀ entirelyĀ fucking debatable because Eddie thinks heās going to burst, splinter like a starburst, glorious in the unmaking for how big this thing thatās building in him feels, how certain he is that itās about to break his ribs and he fucking looks forward to it, so no: Steve doesnāt loveĀ mostĀ because he canāt, because Eddie isĀ overcomeĀ with this feeling and he, heā Heās drifting, because Steveās heat is a heady fucking drug, and his heartbeatās a metronome, a lullaby against Eddieās back and itās instinct, itās unquestionable when he shimmies tighter into Steveās hold and sighs the weight of the world out between his lips becauseā¦ Because goddamnit, this feelsĀ right.
OR: y'know. Eddie thought he was dying in the Upside Down but then he's waking up in the future, in bed with Steve Harrington like what the fuck
Eddie comes toāagain:Ā un-fucking-expectedāwith the same sensation of his ribs snapping, the pain of it a dull thing he thinks he can just float through because his heartās so gone on the impossible possibility of some future imaginary day where he, where Steve, whereĀ theyā
āEddie?ā
Wait.
Wait, thatāsā¦okay.
Back up.
He tries to take in what his senses are willing to offer him: something starchy,Ā itchyĀ against his skin, both sidesādefinitely not the sheets from the bed heād just felt visceral underneath him. Pressure and aching at his chest: but less sweet the longer he focuses on it. Stinging and the pull of maybe-bandages, maybe-sutures, maybe both and something deeper, likeā¦oh, wow, fuck, itās entirely possible his ribs areĀ alreadyĀ broken. His heart still feels full, but also scared, unsure, wrong-footed as more and more little clues seep into his consciousness, before maybe the clearest of them all: a shrill little beep thatās fast, like embarrassingly fastā
A monitor.
He draws a shaky breathāiodine, like,Ā burningĀ levels as he inhales and holy fucking shit, heās in a goddamn hospital.
Heās, did heā¦
Is this what Steve meant, when he said āwake upā? Did Eddieā¦
Did Eddie fuckingĀ survive?
Itās in the spiral of that thought that Eddie clocks the same voice that jarred him out of his own headā¦inĀ his own head, before. With the fancy sheets and the warmth and theĀ homeĀ andā
Whatā¦what if it wasnāt in his head atĀ allā
But his body, his pulse recognizes that voice as safety. Asā¦rightness incarnate.
āOh fuck,ā and thatās the Steve Eddie knows best, right there, a little breathy and a little pitchy for frayed nerves and constant worry and the weight of the fucking world to make sure everyoneāeveryoneĀ elseāmakes it out as okay as possible.
And itās in thinking that, that Eddie recognizes what Steve-in-his-headin-the-future-in-his-dream-in-his-maybe-not-quite-death-hallucination meant, when heād said Eddieās eyes softened. BecauseĀ SteveāsĀ heart on his sleeve, inĀ hisĀ eyes, had looked peaceful, then. Content, even.
Not so frantic. Not soā¦scrambling.
Still just asĀ blinding, though.
āThankĀ fuck, youāreĀ awake,ā Steve half gasps, a tiny clattering against the tile floor vying to draw Eddieās gaze away but there was genuinely nothing in the whole goddamn universe that could take Eddieās eyes off of Steve just now, those lips parted ever so slightly, cheeks that tiny bit rosy, pulse maybe-maybe-not visible just below the bandages on his neck.
HeāsĀ beautiful.
āWhat do you need?ā Steveās leaning closer, hands reaching but then kinda fluttering, kinda hovering, not sure where to touch and even if they knew the answer, kinda like theyāre not sure if theyĀ canĀ touch in the first place, yet all Eddie can do when he sees them, when he feels the shift in the air for how close they are; all Eddie can do is remember what itās like to be pressed close to Steveās body, to feel Steveās arms around his chest, like theyāreĀ keeping him.
āWhat can I do,ā Steve asks, soĀ earnestĀ and Eddieās pulse does a little skip for it, howĀ goodĀ it feels; āIāā
And Steveās eyes are already big, just short of pleading, darting to the corners of the room maybe for water, maybe for a button to call someone to help more than he canāas if anyone can help more than Steve can, just now, because Eddieās waking up from what it feels like toĀ haveĀ Steve, and the most pressing possible thing in the world just now is SteveSteveSteve, near enough to feel, to breathe inā
Steveās eyes are already big, though, is the thing, even before the full-on fuckingĀ crashĀ of something to the floor makes him freeze. Eddie tries to peer down, winces as it pulls to much atā¦everything, kind of, Jesus H., but he hurtsĀ everywhere, andā¦
āThe hell were you doing?ā he asks in the absence of being able toĀ seeĀ becauseā¦metal. Metal had hit the floor, from the height of probably-the-bed, after Steve had pressed into the mattress, shifted the weight, and then heād blinked all owlish and adorable: culpability for whatever heād been up to written all over his gorgeous fucking face.
āUmm,ā Steve chews at his lip a little, eyes peeking up through his lashes, that look that makes Eddie weak and wobbly at basically every juncture itās possible to tremble at like that, but he doesnāt duck away; he doesnāt even blush. Heās notā¦whatever he was doingāand Eddieās range of motion is fucked, heās already super well aware of that shit when he even tries to move to see the floor, to follow the soundābut whatever Steve was doing, heās unrepentant. But in a way where he maybe recognizes that other people would have been less brazen.
Eddieās wrist tingles out of nowhereāweird, when all of him is already kinda in a sort of dull, narcotic-shroudedĀ paināand he frowns, glances down at least that far and notices the slightest ring of red thatās less angry, not attached to bite marks and broken skin, and he has the wildest thought cross his mind just then, and he steels himself to crane his neck as far as he can, to limit the strain heāll put on his middle because now he needs to see, because he kinda knew before he cut the sheets and ran into the fray that coming out on the other side meant life behind bars if there was any life at all, yet here he is, increasingly seeming like this is real, and thisĀ isĀ his āother sideā, andā¦
Heās just in a fucking hospital. Heāsā¦heāsĀ here, and heās, heās notā¦heās not in fucking chains.
And it stings like a bitch, and Steveās a second away from stopping him,Ā reachingĀ for him and pressing him safely back onto the the bed, but Eddie gets the glimpse he needs. Recognizes the shape on the floor, shiny steel against the scratched-up linoleum.
āWere you,ā Eddie traces the ridges of his teeth with his tongue, because there are layers to what heās about to ask; āwere, umm, were you picking the,ā and the first little clatter from before makes more sense if heās right, andĀ if heās right, well, fuck.
Itāll be hot asĀ hell, if heās right.
āThat?ā Eddie tilts his head toward the floor because: cuffs. What heād seen, what had fallen: handcuffs. On the floor. And theyād have had to have beenĀ notĀ on the floor, andĀ probablyĀ onĀ himĀ before, and so, heā
āPossibly,ā Steve answers with a straight face, as unapologetic as ever, maybe more; maybe evenĀ defiant, and oh, wow. Steve Harrington picking his fucking handcuffs, setting his stupidly-quickly-lovesick ass free.
HotĀ asĀ fuck; seriously.
āHow positivelyĀ criminalĀ of you, Harrington,ā Eddie grins half-maniacal, feels the stretch of it burn against a cut thatās gotta run half the span of his cheek but fuck it, the warmth flooding him is undeniable, isĀ incredibleāheās giddy all of a sudden, straight to his bones.
āSānothing on hot-wiring,ā Steve shrugs, like itās not fuckingĀ everything; ābut I wasnāt,ā and Steve takes a deep breath before he squares his shoulders, looks at Eddie straight-on and shit, if he thought the warmth in him up to now was something?
Itās kinda got nothing on what consumes him under thoseĀ eyes.
āI wasnāt going to let you wake up fuckingā¦shackled.ā
And goddamnĀ if the fire in that voice, those words, doesnāt light Eddie up like burning, doesnāt shake him to the core and then blanket him in sureness and the kind of protection he didnāt think really existed.
Save that he does kinda think itās exactly what this manās made of; madeĀ for.
And Eddie canāt escape the certainty rising in his veins and pumping, fierce and unshakable, that he wantsāmore than maybe anythingāto be the one to give that same safety, that sameĀ promiseĀ of something unwavering and permanent and beyondĀ question, right back to Steve.
āYouāre an innocent man,ā Steve leans in then, emphatic with it; āyouāre a goddamnĀ hero,ā and he means it, holy shit, heĀ believesĀ that:
āLike hell I was just gonna,ā and he shakes his head, like the idea is just that preposterous; like he cannot even consider anything but Eddie being free, and okay, andĀ here, andā¦
Eddieās struck with the sudden slap of realization across the fucking face that he couldnāt have gotten topside by himself. That someone had to get him from the hellscape to here. And of the able bodies in the Upside Down, no matter how strong the girls were, only one could have wrestled him through that gate. Only one could haveā¦whatever he maybe needed, between this bed and that bat-strewn ground, it was, Steve would have been, heād haveā
The force his heart trips, thenĀ leapsĀ with, is fucking cataclysmic. Eddieās honestly surprised it doesnāt just tear out from his throat then and there.
āPlus theyāre in the process of finishing the paperwork to make it all official, dropping the charges and all that, clearing your name,ā Steve gestures vaguely in the air, like itās all routine, the feds and the cops sweeping shit under the rug but then he remembers all the side comments heād collected in the back of his mind these last few days about the ālast timeā and then āthe time before thatā and fuck all also theĀ first timeā
Maybe it is, justā¦sick and twisted and harrowing and heartbreakingĀ routine.
āTheyāre just really fucking slow,ā Steve smiles at him, all small and devastating andā¦
And okay, so that overwhelming urge to be a constant in Steve Harringtonās life, safe next to his heart kinda for always, zero to forever in half-a-blink?
Eddie knew he wanted, when he threw his vest at Steveās bare chest more for Eddieās own fucking sanity than anyoneās modesty, but it was all washed in the hopeless-helpless colors of desperation, ofĀ why not when I wonāt see tomorrow; and now.
Now, all Eddie wants is tomorrow. Every tomorrow. No tomorrows without this man. Without what he saw, how it felt: what he knows in his marrow loving him wouldĀ be.
Itās probably that conviction etching into his cells that makes makes him softer, a little weepy around the edges; drives him toĀ needĀ through the next words that escape:
āSteve,ā Eddie breathes, wishes Steve were just that little bit closer so that the distance heĀ canĀ reach could reachĀ him:
āThank you.ā
āOf course,ā Steve waves him off almost, like he doesnāt think everything he is, everything heās done is monumental. Not just the cuffs but with the cuffs like the cherry on top of how Eddie wouldāwill, if heās given the chanceādevote all that he has and all that he is to making Steve happy. To making him as calm and warm andĀ lovedĀ as Eddie could feel in that bedroom, in his head or in the future or on deathās fucking door.
āI mean,ā Steve starts, and Eddie can already feel how heās angling to downplay the thing thatās only swelling, building, growing under Eddieās own ribs and, well: no.
No, Eddie wonāt be standing for that.
āStevie,ā and Steveās gravitated wordless just close enough for Eddie to be able to brush his fingertips against Steveās wrist, to curl and pull his hand into Eddieās grasp, palm splayed above Steveās knuckles, holding.Ā Keeping.
āThank you.ā
And Steve stills a little, stares at him like he can see whatās tucked up tight and dear in Eddieās chest and maybe he can, because his voice is feather-light and a little bowled-over. A littleā¦a little awed.
āYouāre welcome.ā
So yeah, maybe heĀ canĀ see whatās in Eddieās chest, less tucked in this moment now than fucking, likeā¦
Blooming.
āDo you believe thereās anything waiting when we die?ā
Eddieās gonna blame the frantic blossomingĀ warmthĀ coursing through him for the way he blurts that shit out with no preamble, like maybe the flowering wonder of it all pushes it out without permission, sweet on the back of his tongue but heavy because it matters so much; because itās all just nostalgia.
For now.
āWhat?ā Steve gapes a little, sounds dumbfounded; maybe a little wary. Fearful.
His handās still held under Eddieās, though, so itās only natural the way Eddie lifts his fingers and presses them palm-to-palm like it means something.
āDo you?ā
āIā¦donāt know,ā Steve swallows hard enough the follow down the taut line of his throat, fucking mesmerizing.
So maybe the way Eddie licks his lips before he says anything more isnātā¦isnātĀ justĀ for the sake of the topic and its weight, is all heās saying.
āI,ā and Eddie doesnāt really know where heās going, here, or else: he knows exactly where heās going.
Heās just not totally sure the path heās planning to chart along the way for getting there.
āWhen we were down there, and I was telling you to go after Wheeler,ā which yeah, okay, surprise direction there, weird little detour, butā¦it doesnāt feel wrong.
Which means, if itāsĀ rightĀ instead: then thatās everything that is Steve in Eddieās lungs for breathing, in the chambers of his heart. So he leans into it.
Squeezes Steveās fingers laced together with his.
āEddie,ā Steve starts, sounds tired, spent, and Eddie was never going to let that happen; no matter where heās going, or leading them down the path of his revelations, the truth etched new but alsoĀ deepĀ in his bones like it was only waiting to be found and known.
āIt was because thatās what I wanted. For me. I wanted to,ā and his breath catches on a little chuckle, so light and choked and a little hysterical as he adds, giddy and a little bashful all together at once:
āUnambiguously, umm,ā and he trails a little, wants to hide behind his hair just a touch but to do that would require a broader capacity to move in the first place and more, so much more: it would mean letting go of Steveās hand.
So: absolutely not.
Especially not when Steveās gone full dropped-jaw gaping at him, his fingers in Eddieās grasp twitching like heās confused, like maybe thereās part of him short-circuiting, and Eddie feels his exhales tremble when he finally blinks, finally tilts his head and takes Eddie in at a new angle before he asks, genuine and not just a little lost:
āSeriously?ā
And Eddieā¦Eddieās actually never been more serious in his life, so.
āLike,ā and he circles Steveās knuckles delicate-like with his thumb: āI wanted the chance, to try, I guess, yeah.ā
And he doesnāt know if heās risking everything to own it, even if heās owning just a sliver of the breadth and depth that he feels, but heĀ doesĀ know unequivocally that he wouldnāt hold it back if given the choice, the opportunity to do it over and not show his bloody-beating heart on display.
A bloody-beating heart thatās moving quicker, slamming harder against his chest butā¦that actually feels like the only correct thing it could do. Because this merits it.
This kindaĀ isĀ his whole fucking heart.
āDo you still?ā
It takes Eddie a longer string of seconds than heād prefer to own to, to process the words as having meaning, no matter that he doesnāt fucking understand what theyāre aiming at.
āWhat?ā
āWant,ā and Steveās the one squeezing Eddieās hand now, turning a little to graze at the line of his veins at the wrist; āthe chance.ā
And he says it deceptively casual, despite how heās staring at their hands, determinedlyĀ notĀ meeting Eddie gaze as Eddie gets his chance at the gaping.
āFuck yes,ā Eddie finally huffs on something not unlike unabashed fucking joy, save that this thing heās feeling is so much bigger, and when Steve looks up, meets his eyes and his own glimmer, shine so bright and brim with such disbelief, but so much stronger and with suchĀ hope, Jesus.
Eddie canāt help the giggle that bubbles out of him. Like his whole fucking soul gets shaped into a single breath of exultant delight.
And they both hold to one another, trace across skin and map the lines and dots and scars, and Eddieās not stupid, he knows this isnāt how it works butā¦
But heād still bet money on the fact that the way heās touching Steve, so innocent and so quietlyĀ intimate, is healing his wounds, shoring up his weaknesses and stitching him up fuller,Ā better, breath by shared-sacred breath.
Itās heady as fuck. ItāsĀ exquisite.
āWhyād you ask me about when we die?ā
Steveās the one to break the still, and even thatās not breaking anything, really; he speaks so soft. Heās stroking down from Eddieās thumb back and forth.
Itās not breakingĀ anything.
āI saw something,ā Eddie whispers, not sure what reaction thatāll get, and Steveās staring at their hands again, marveling really, so Eddie canāt read any hint save for the crinkled furrow in his brow.
āBut you didnāt die.ā
Which isnāt the reaction he thinks he expected, even if Eddie couldnāt name what heĀ didĀ expect. And itās also not a revelation he thought heād receive.
āNot at all?ā
Because heās genuinely surprised. He at least figured heād flatlined likeā¦long enough to have visions of absolute and total domestic bliss and shit.
But Steveās shaking his head decisively, holding on to Eddie just a little bit tighter.
āYou had a pulse, whole way to he hospital,ā he tells Eddie, voice gone a little hoarse; āit wasnāt strong but,ā and Steve looks up at him, and fuck, those eyes areĀ tooĀ shiny now and Eddie doesnāt want that, he doesnāt want his Steve to hurt, heā
āI fucking held you,ā Steve croaks and oh, oh heās shaking,Ā Jesusā
āI kinda,ā and he swallows with a click Eddie can hear, around a throbbing pulse Eddie can see, wants nothing more than to soothe with his lips against that tender skin; āI kinda had to make sure, so,ā and the hand thatās not holding Eddieās comes up, trembling as he reaches toward Eddieās chest:
āKept my hand pressed, just,ā and his voice gives, and he looks up at Eddie with something like devastation, begging something like permission because he doesnāt know that everything that Eddie is, isĀ his.
But he will.
He will know.
āYeah?ā Eddie breathes out, holds Steve gaze as he nods, as he tries to make it clear that anything Steve needs is his, and then some.
It takes a second, but the shine in those eyes finally shifts, finally brightens and then Steveās breathingās made of tremors, but his hand finds Eddieās chest and sends something sparking like lighting through him just as the whole of Eddie feels immediately like heāsĀ home.
And Steveās hand on his chest feels exactly like it did in their future bed, in their future room, in their future life.
Their alwaysĀ love.
āYeah,ā Steve whispers, then takes a moment, palm splayed wide just above Eddieās bandages, before heās gripping Eddieās wrist with the other hand a little harder:
āItās so fast,ā he exhales like it holds the whole world and then some; he wonders at just Eddieās heartbeat under his touch and god.
God, but Eddieā¦Eddie couldnāt have imagined heād ever feel like this. Let alone feel like maybe itās mutual, maybe itās real, maybe he can keep it and stay in this feeling for forever.
āFuck yeah it is,ā Eddie murmurs, then he chuckles, inhales deep maybe just to better feel the weight of Steveās hand; āmaking up for the lost opportunity, yāknow,ā and fuck, all he wants is to be able to lean, to kiss the pout of those lips, to taste what it means to love somebody like heās never done before.
āMaking up for what it missed the last time your hand was there to feel it.ā
And Steveās hand above his thrumming heart twitches just a little, but never flags or makes to move, to leave, and Eddie thinks that heād be fine if he lived the rest on his days with Steve like that, near enough that he could press a hand to Eddieās heart at all times and justā¦just know that itās his.
Because maybe itās suddenāitāsĀ definitelyĀ quickābut Eddieās never known anything like he knows this.
āEddie,ā Steve finally whispers, a question and a claim and a means of cradling Eddie toĀ hisĀ heart, somehow, for how swathed in light and affection Eddie feels in that moment, in just the shape of his name like itās never been spoken before.
āI saw the future,ā Eddie blurts out in a rush, breath coming a little quicker and heart-under-Steveās-hand pounding harder. āMaybe. I donāt know, I mean, it sounds so stupid when I say it out loud but it felt so,ā but then he looks into Steveās eyes again and Steve is listening, Steveās maybe doesnāt think heās crazy, so he feels safe enough to say with his whole fucking chest:
āIt feltĀ real, Stevie.ā
āWhat was it?ā Steve asks, so quiet, so gentle like he doesnāt want to disturb this thing either, like he doesnāt need to hear it spelled out yet to know itās delicate, the most important thing in the world, which fuck yeah it is, even as it cracks and chokes for the flood of feeling around it when it presses up from Eddieās chest:
āUs,ā Eddie breathes it out like the precious truth it genuinely fuckingĀ is:
āIt wasĀ us.ā
And Steve doesnāt say anything, but his eyes glimmer all the more, swimming with a riot of emotion to a degree than Eddie feels drowned in awe just to see it, and his hands on Eddie hold tighter, more fervent,Ā devotedĀ like a pledge for the way it runs through Eddieās blood and sings in his veins:
āEven if it wasnāt real,ā but Eddieās doesnāt believe that, not really, not in his heart of hearts where it all pounds into the crevices that map Steveās touch; āeven if I wasnātĀ seeingĀ the actual future,ā and maybe he wasnāt, maybe that wasnātĀ theirĀ future, and maybe heāll never know, but what heĀ doesĀ know, isā
āIt felt right, Steve.ā
He knows that clearer than he knows the sky is blue.
āIt was just a few minutes,ā Eddie flounders a little, mostly because he remembers how good it was, written indelible into how much heĀ wants, here and now:
āBut I haveĀ neverĀ felt anything soĀ right.ā
He breathes, shaky and shallow and too fucking fast, but then Steve starts stroking his palm along the unmarked spaces of his chest, back and forth over the gallop of his heart like he means to stay there. Like he could ever want toĀ keep.
āWell,ā Steve whispers, his eyes on the path of his hand to make sure he doesnāt draw any paināas if he ever couldāuntil he knows the safe route over and back, again and again, and then he looks up, catches Eddieās eyes and locks there, doesnāt pin so much as holds, holds,Ā holds.
And good fuckingĀ god, Eddie feels it glisten through him like starlight; Eddie feels remade before Steveās leaning in, lower than to meet Eddieās mouth but then heās pressing his lips to the dip between Eddieās collarbones, holding there, breathing like he means to savor, like he means to cherish, like he means to, toā¦
ToĀ stay.
And Eddieās heartās under that hand and those lips all at once, wholly Steveās while it quivers like a riot, while it leaps as Steve changes the world, writesĀ theirĀ fucking future where his mouth drags wet and warm and ardent and thereās nothing in it at all that can be anything other than at least on theĀ wayĀ to love as he breathes, fuckingĀ vows:
āWe gottaĀ try, then, donāt we?ā
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i don't care about canon, this is for you specifically.
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@sasheneskywalker i love when you enable me to ramble about things because oh my god do i have thoughts.
so recently, i made a post discussing the phenomena of DC x DP and DC x MLB crossovers and why they exist and part of that post was discussing how largely speaking, at least half, if not more of the Batfamily fandom doesn't read the comics. if they interact with canon DC material, it's adaptations that are their own sequestered universes and oftentimes not remotely comic accurate or seeking to be. the most obvious example is the Young Justice cartoon. i'm adding a cut to this post because it just got so long i'm so sorry.
a lot of times, when people are discussing the "why" of this oversaturation of fanon-only fandom, they blame Wayne Family Adventures. and i think, to a point, i agree WFA is responsible for a boom in this fandom. but as someone who's been in the fandom long before we had WFA, to me it's the other way around. WFA was DC's way of meeting the demand for this easy-to-get-into, easy-to-consume content about the Batfamily that predicates itself on the comics just enough to be vaguely the same characters, but has a more sitcom, slice-of-life sort of vibe so DC could profit off of this section of the fanbase that otherwise wasn't consuming its primary material. and well, it's definitely worked. not only that, but i have a weird theory that the decline in the MCU also led to the rise in the Batfamily fandom. when you consider the fan content that made the MCU popular within fandom, it's that 2012 "they all live in Avengers Tower and Thor is eating poptarts and Clint is in the vents and there are movie nights every Friday" sort of vibe. those were the fics that were a hallmark of the fandom. and as the MCU has strayed from well... quality content in general, but specifically well-thought-out crossover content where characters can have their own arcs but also exist in a wider story where they clearly care about each other, that fandom was sort of homeless. so where do you go, if you like a superhero found family where you can have villains for angst but also stick them all in one big family-like home for silly crack and have a plethora of options for gay ships? well. you go to the Batfamily. if you write a crack/fluff Batfamily genfic with silly vibes and low stakes instead of say, a fic about a very specific comic issue even if it's a popular comic, you're *going* to get more traction for the former. because the fanbase largely just isn't reading the comics.
and i feel... complicated about this. because on one hand, Don't Like Don't Read has been a tenet of my fandom experience. i'm very pro-fandom and that includes fandom content i don't like. and to an extent, i do think this sort of should apply to Batfamily fanon. i enjoy having my moments with other comic purists, giggling over exceptionally painful OOC headcanons or even facepalming in pain over some content but it is on me to not interact with that content. you don't make fandom a better place by being hostile to fans who engage with canon in ways you don't approve of. and frankly? we as comic readers are not going to get non-comic fans to read the comics by being asshats to them. no one is going to want to pick up any comic if we get a superiority complex about it. and also, i feel like we're all lying to ourselves a little bit insisting comics are so, so easy to get into. they're not. we can just all agree, they're really not. i've been single-handedly helping my sister get into comics, specifically Wonder Woman and no matter how simple i make it, i watch her get frustrated trying to understand what pre-Crisis and post-Crisis and New-52 and Flashpoint and all these things mean and what a retcon vs a reboot is and what a Crisis Event is and what the hell Diana's current backstory even *is*. sure, you can give someone a beginner list of comics to start with and slowly dip their toes in the water but sooner or later, *something* is going to confuse them. comics as a medium straight up aren't going to be everyone's cup of tea. and if someone *just* wants to read silly fluffy fanfiction about the Batfamily, i can't entirely begrudge them for not wanting to take the hours and hours out of their day to understand this medium. it's not an accessible medium to get into. "read this and this, but this run is out of print and this run wasn't collected in trades at all but also make sure you read that event in order and this is a good comic but the backstory in it is retconned and you *have* to read this it's so important but it's also really bad because the author kind of sucks" sounds. ridiculous for someone who like. just wants to read some stuff about Nightwing. sometimes, we all make reading comics sort of sound like a chore, not a hobby.
so my point is, i do extend some grace to Batfamily fanon for existing. i think my biggest gripe is, as i said in my other post, misuse of tags (if you're not creating content about comics, maybe you don't need the comics fandom tag on Ao3, just the all media types umbrella tag) and my far bigger gripe: when panels are taken out of context to support fanon only headcanons. if i could impart *anything* onto the Batfamily fandom as a comic fan it'd be this: if you haven't *read* the comic, don't spread the panel. if you don't even know what comic it's *from*, don't spread the panel. it's fine to use comic panels to discuss your headcanons, but so often i see someone spreading a comic panel from a comic they haven't read, and when asked where it's from, they can't source it. a silly example that comes to mind is a post going around, taking a panel where Dick, in his internal monologue goes "here comes the sun. do do do do." and the post is claiming it's from him getting buried alive. when that panel comes from Nightwing (1996) #140, and he gets buried alive in Nightwing (1996) #127, two completely different moments frankensteined together. if you're going to not read the comics, that's completely fine, but unless you're sure of the source and the context, panels shouldn't be spread around. i'm sick of this specifically happening to Red Robin (2009), with ppl claiming Tim has totally killed people because he blew up some of Ra's' bases, when those panels within context, make it clear he gave everyone time to escape. and in a later arc in that very comic, Tim grapples with the idea of murdering Captain Boomerang, and *specifically chooses not to*, because he doesn't agree with murder, even against the person who has hurt him the most. if you'd like to write fanfiction where Tim is pro-murder and has done some sketch things, i'm totally on board and would probably like to read it. but there's no need to pretend it's canon from a few panels you saw out of context.
beyond that, i think it's not *entirely* correct to say that fanon is harmless. whenever i see very WFA-positive posts, they often default to the argument that WFA is fun and silly, and comic fans are killjoys for not liking it. which. i think is complicated because the issue is, WFA and fanon don't exist in a vacuum. if you like WFA power to you, i don't think it's the worst thing ever, but i do think it's degrading to these characters because honestly? they feel incompetent in the webtoon. it's one thing if WFA was solely a slice-of-life sort of deal, just having silly episodes where Bruce is taking on a PTA mom or they're all fighting for the last cookie. but when WFA attempts to take on more serious plots with these characters, it *fundamentally* falls flat in understanding them. i get it, Bruce comforting Jason having a panic attack because a noise reminded him of the crowbar felt cute in a microcosm, but i'm so serious when i say that storyline destroyed how like. half of this fandom understands Jason Todd's relationship to his trauma. it doesn't understand how he reacts when he's triggered, what coping mechanisms he seeks out, and how he would handle Bruce comforting him. even if i can believe for a brief moment Jason *would* be triggered by something like that, him running and trying to hide and then getting a hug from Bruce to make it okay is just. painful. WFA needs everything to be wrapped up in a nice, neat little bow. so even when it starts to tackle interesting concepts, it makes them fall flat with its need to be soft, low stakes, hurt/comfort. there was a two-parter episode that dealt with the complicated mutual hatred/jealousy between Tim and Damian that *almost* really interested me because for once, it felt like the webtoon wanted to explore canon messy dynamics. but of course, it had to be fixed with one conversation and a hug. you don't mend the *years* of issues these characters have like that. WFA isn't in character because these characters are hyperbole cartoonified versions of themselves to fit within the medium and be a cute happy family.
because that right there, is the crux of it. the Batfamily fanon seeks to simplify the Batfamily and force them into a nuclear family. there are so many fantastic posts on here discussing how the nuclear family-ification of the Batfam is eroding decades worth of complex histories so i won't go too far into that. but what i will say is that there's this need, in the Batfamily fandom, for the Batfamily to exist as a unit. they are a *family*. (honestly i think calling it the Batfamily is a misnomer and has been for years but we're in too deep now.) they exist to each other first, and any teams or friends they have come secondary to this family unit. you can *specifically* see this demonstrated in what headcanons are becoming popular these days. i have an entire lengthy meta in my drafts about how i *loathe* the "the Batfamily meets the Justice League" genre of fanfic because it makes no *sense*. in order to have this genre of fic exist, you must operate under the assumption that no one in the League, or adjacent to the League, knows the Batfamily exists and are thus utterly shocked to discover Batman has kids. and to make *that* work, you have to strip *every single Batfamily member* of such important dynamics and friendships so you can lock them all in Gotham for their whole lives. Dick can't have the Titans, Tim can't have Young Justice, Duke & Cass can't have the Outsiders, Jason can't have the Outlaws, Damian can't have the Supersons, Babs can't have the Birds of Prey, and so on. because if they had these relationships, they would be known to the League. the Batfamily fandom doesn't care about this, it's just "silly fanfiction", it's not trying to be serious. but how can you say you like Dick Grayson as a character if you don't understand the Titans *are* his family? at some points of his life, moreso than the Batfamily even is. it is constantly repeated to us in most comics with Dick how much the Titans mean to him. he *needs* them to be who he is. the same extends to every other Batfamily member, most of which have been full League members at this point. but in fanon, that doesn't matter. the Batfamily are a sequestered unit first, and all of those side relationships are secondary and easy to toss away, if it makes your fanfic work better.
and because they have to be a unit first, you have these forced relationships that dump years of actual canon material for the sake of making them get along. the Batfamily fandom has its favorites and well. it's no secret it's usually the boys. Jason and Tim by *far* stand out as fandom faves so, their dynamic is a heavily explored one. it does matter that in canon they don't tend to get along and especially don't see each other as family. what matters is that you can push dynamics onto them. and so fanon gets all twisted up about which Robin Tim actually idolized as a kid (Dick) and what member of the Batfamily is pro-murder but still an older sibling figure to him and looks out for him (Helena, or if you want the dynamic of once tried to harm Tim but they've reconciled, Jean-Paul) in favor of who's the most popular. Dick, Jason, Tim, and Damian are always going to be the standouts for popularity, but it's specifically Jason and Tim who are getting fanonized the most. and that's because really, we don't have much canon content of Tim that *isn't* the comics. for Dick you've got Young Justice (tv), for Damian you've got the DCAMU, for Jason you've sort of got the Under The Red Hood movie, but Tim sort of lingers in this limbo. (yes, he's in Young Justce (tv) and Titans (live action) but in neither is he the main character nor given much depth) so, he gets a *lot* projected onto him and has become fanonized. and even with Jason's animated movies, you don't see him interact with Tim, so people build it from the ground up how they want to see it, disregarding of canon comics. i think it's what makes him so popular in the first place- he's malleable into whatever you want or need him to be.
and of course, the fanon ignores other characters in the Batfamily it doesn't know about. i feel like you could create a tier list of Batfamily characters by their popularity, going from the fandom main characters: Tim, Jason, Bruce, Alfred, Dick, Damian. to the underrated: Steph, Duke, Babs, Cass. to the forgotten about unless they're convenient for a story: Kate, the Foxes, Helena Wayne, Carrie, Selina, Harper Row, Maps, Minhkhoa Khan. to the absolutely unknown: Helena Bertinelli, Jean-Paul Valley, Onyx Adams, the Clovers, Julia Pennyworth. it's not lost on me that the ignored characters tend to be women and people of color. which is both a canon and fanon problem, DC will continue adding interesting characters to the Batfamily, play with them for a few years, then drop them to default to the "Batboys" again. and it's a vicious cycle of the fandom only caring about the "Batboys", and thus people entering the fandom via fanon osmosis won't have content about the other characters, therefore, they won't be interested in those characters enough to create it, and it's just this ouroboros consuming itself, no matter how much canon content we have of these other characters. and it's ridiculous just how large the Batfamily is becoming because of this, which is why i'm a pre-Flashpoint fan, because then the Batfamily was contained enough to actually feel like a family with every character having nuances relationships with each other, but i digress because those thoughts could be their own post.
and the thing about fanon is it doesn't exist in a vacuum. DC has started turning the comics to accommodate for what fans are asking for, because fans will beg and beg for content they're not going to consume. Tim Drake: Robin had Tim as a coffee drinker because that's the fanon accepted headcanon. and the resolution of the recent Gotham War arc was for Bruce to buy this new manor for everyone to move in and call him. nevermind that most of these characters have their own homes and have zero reason to be moving in with Bruce. Tim had his marina in Tim Drake: Robin, Dick has Bludhaven, Cass and Steph have their little side of town in Batgirls (2022), and so on. these characters are being forced together as a unit, as one big happy family living together, to appease what non-comic fans want and it's damaging comic relationships. Robin: Knight Terrors saw Jason and Tim team up and working together, which i've seen varying opinions on but i personally despised. their interactions made zero sense for any of their canon history, but it appeases them being this close sibling relationship that fanon acts like they are. also the fears they faced in their respective knight terrors didn't make sense for either character and *only* worked as a moment of bringing them together so they could reassure each other and have this weird dreamscape bonding moment. the canon is bending itself to the will of fanon rather than building on the pre-existing complex relationships. Tim barely even gets along with his most important team in Dark Crisis: Young Justice because it seems the only important relationships the Batfamily can have is with each other. and when we do see them outside of the Batfamily, it only seems to be to relive the glory days like with World's Finest: Teen Titans, instead of developing them as they currently exist. this isn't recent in the comics, it feels like you can trace it back to the New-52, but it does feel a *lot* worse over the recent years. WFA is fine when it exists in its own bubble, but the simple truth is, DC content never exists on its own. the adaptations will reflect back onto the comics. (the damage the Young Justice cartoon has done to some characters should honestly be studied) and so it does frustrate me a bit when fanon-only or adaptation-only fans act like we're being nothing but killjoys for being frustrated with this. since they don't read the comics, they don't see how the comics are suffering as a result of this.
people argue about what's out of character for the comics they don't even read. i'm sorry, but "bad dad Bruce" is consistently canon. that man is just kind of shitty. when you take someone who has the drive he has, who has this need for the Mission first, who needs a teenager in spandex next to him to keep him off the ledge, that guy is sort of going to be a shitty father figure. he just is. not on purpose or with malice, but when you compare him to any other dad in a big DC family, he sure takes the cake. it's why characters like Oliver Queen tend to *really* fucking hate Bruce for how he treats his kids. Bruce loves fiercely, but he doesn't do well with putting that love first. and his love is a controlling one, he is very particular about controlling how others in the Batfamily are "allowed" to operate. it's what drives the wedge between him and Dick, it's why Steph is never a true daughter to him. (besides the reason of her needing to be a love interest to Tim first, anyway-) i've never understood the massive outcry of people reacting to Bruce kinda being shitty in comics they're not reading. there are some moments that get ridiculously OOC with how cartoonishly evil he is (the whole Gotham War arc and that... complicated mess with Jason) but largely if you want sitcom loving nuclear father Bruce, you have to accept that is a fanon thing, not a canon one. the Batfamily being a nuclear family in *general* is fanon. most of the "Batkids" don't actually see Bruce in a particularly fatherly light and begging for moments where he calls them his kids or they call him dad outside of incredibly specific circumstances is just OOC.
it's getting harder and harder to exist peacefully in this fandom it feels like, if you don't comply to the standard fanon has set. i'm happy people are having fun with their blorbos, even if in ways i dislike, but that "harmless fandom fun" does ripple it's way back to canon, eventually. so i end up pretty tangled with my feelings because are fans at fault for DC making these poor decisions? probably not, but it certainly feels like an unfortunate cause-and-effect situation whether at the end of the day, nobody is happy. and of course, i know some fanon-only fans are striving to be more canon accurate and care about canon dynamics more than others, but for them it's always going to be an uphill battle with the above-mentioned out-of-context panels thrown around and ever-pervasive fanon overtaking anything that's truly seeking to be canon compliant. so really, it sometimes feels like we're all losing.
#necrotic festerings#batfamily#batfamily meta#dc comics#fandom meta#fan studies#fanon vs canon#i deleted paragraphs of this to try to make it shorter. it failed btw.#anyway i got into comics when i was like 12 with the dark knight returns#and if i hadn't been into this medium for a decade i don't think i would be able to get into it as an adult so i get it#bc i'm trying to get into marvel comics and fuck ME am i confused as fuck.#do marvel comics have like. an equivalent to crisis events?#is the ultimates like their version of the new-52? i do NOT know#it's so hard and daunting so trust me i get it#if you never wanna pick up a comic god i respect you you're so right this is fucking miserable#i want to live and let live in fandom but *god* i'm struggling here#i used to bend to the will of fanon fun fact#i wrote my share of tim and jason fics playing into fanon tropes. god i hate them *now* but they did fucking numbers.#and i used to care more about getting attention in fandom than being accurate#i've matured now. it's why i write on anonymous so much to remind myself this should be for me.#anyway i could do a character study on every batfam member as fanon vs canon#ESPECIALLY tim and jason. i know so much about them trust me.#jason todd fans annoyed me so much i once sat and read almost every fucking jason comic. i didn't even like him.#but i tell you what i know that man and he will never leave my top five characters on league of comics.#this is so long. is anyone going to read all of this.#if you do you're a fucking trooper i'm saluting you.#this isn't even all of my thoughts i had to condense myself.#bc i also have thoughts about how this means some characters no longer get to exist outside of the batfam#because they only exist as a member of the unit#ergo we have very little current content of helena bertinelli or onyx adams or duke thomas
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can i just say. and this is probably a niche hill to die on. that i am so gobsmacked every time someone vaguely hints at the idea that jotaro doesn't care meaningfully for the other crusaders, usually particularly kakyoin and joseph, when those two actually tend to be the ones he reacts to being hurt the hardest
like he cares for his loved ones!!!! that literally plays into his character motives in every single part he shows up in!!! stop lying to me!!!!!!!
#me.txt#jjba#i'm going to ramble in tags actually. excuse me#ok. rereading sdc and so confused at the general perception of jotaro and his friends/family. he's not NEARLY as flat or as dickish#i understand that the anime (particularly the dub) tends to slander him but even then he still clearly cares for them! i'm confused#i also understand that a lot of people dig against jotaro and kakyoin as a dynamic because 'they're popular' and that generally disliking#popular things across media is a thing that i've seen consistently everywhere but the discredit to them simply as a DUO and not even as a#pairing is so..... odd..... like they're considered to be a duo that clicks for a reason. i enjoyed them even before i got into the fandom#every time i see someone say jotaro is overrated/dull i take a shot and assume they're an anime-only or only read the manga like once btw#joseph and jotaro also have a neat dynamic and they obviously both love and care for each other. like they're not going to go around loudly#or anything but literally the entirety of the lovers and the prelude to the dio fight IS jotaro being worked up over joseph getting hurt#equally i don't know if it translates to the anime as much but joseph is VERY complimentary when it comes to jotaro. like he sings his#praises so often and reminds everyone that he's his grandson so frequently (d'arby the gamer is a good example of this). either way it's so#peculiar....... there's not enough avdol and jotaro content btw (also in canon) because jotaro obviously looks up to him and avdol jokes#around with him on the occasion they interact after their intro which doesn't start very well. it's very cute#i do think an important thing to note about jotaro's character is how he acts AFTER his intro because he's so drastically different. early#jotaro and later jotaro aren't the same character and i do not mean this in a character development way. excluding the jail incident he's#completely different and probably shouldn't really be taken into account (especially considering the amount of slapstick in araki's intros)#and i think that's really???? what people center on for his character? Which sucks balls bad!#anyways. i could ramble more about this if asked i have so much to say but sigh. jotaro cares so much for his friends and family he's not a#flat fully cold asshole character regardless of whether you watch the anime or ova or read the manga. you just have poor media literacy#i wouldn't recommend watching solely the anime for his character though. the dub also changes a lot so it's... questionable#i love the anime and it's still important for him though. also adds neat stuff. i need to stop myself. i have many thoughts on the matter#jotaro kujo#joseph joestar#noriaki kakyoin#adding in case anyone sees: i am not saying that he is perfect about this. in fact he is very ass about it with jolyne and holly and that's#very important. he also is in fact an asshole sometimes. NOT as much as you guys are making him though!#please don't get me started on how much of a dick etc people make kakyoin to veer away from the 'woobified' characterizations of him#in fact i think that's bad if not worse because it CLAIMS to be in character. hes a prim asshole at times but not that angry or dishevelled
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