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I am re-reading the Silmarillion, and something strikes me. The women of Tolkien's world have been talked about TO DEATH especially with all the recurring debates surrounding the Rings of Power series.
As we all know, Tolkien was not a "feminist" in the modern sense of the word. He had a very male-centric point of view and appreciation of the world, he had male-driven and male-centered stories, and actual women characters were sparse and rare. There are only five really big female characters in "The Lord of the Rings" - the quintet of Galadriel, Eowyn, Goldberry, Lobelia and Shelob. [No, don't talk to me about Arwen, she only really was a character in the movies, in the book she's just there in the appendix and she was literaly an afterthought of Tolkien to act as Eowyn's romantic double...]
Consider this. Galadriel, Eowyn, Goldberry, Lobelia and Shelob. This tells you everything you need to know about Tolkien's women, in good and bad.
The Silmarillion has the same motif of having a lot of female characters, only for most of them to be just footnotes, secondary characters with no lines, under-developped one-liners... with in a contrast a handful of super-cool, super-badass, complex and developed heroines at the center of the plot.
Aka, on the bad side, when listing the Valar, while Tolkien gives an interesting personality, great domains and cool attributes to all the male ones, half of the female ones are just... there. And do one stuff. And never appear again. I mean come on... Vana and Nessa? Estë and Vairë were done dirty... That's the actual type of "non-feminism" Tolkien has. It isn't about him hating women or trying to be offensive in his depictions - it is about him just, not putting as much thought, effort and care into his female characters as his male ones, a bit the same way he creates the vast expanses of the East and South of Middle-Earth and then never bothers actually developing more of it or seeking to tell tales of it - but that's for another discussion about Tolkien's "racism". Here we talk about women.
But here's the thing, aka the good side... When Tolkien does find the time and care to develop and flesh out a female character, by Iluvatar he goes all out! Again, we are back on what I said earlier: the women of Lord of the Rings can be counted on one hand... but these fingers are Galadriel, Eowyn and Shelob, so you can't claim he isnt writing powerful, important or uninterestng female characters. Which leads me to my original remark - as usual I get driven away in digressions of all sorts and kinds.
Have you ever noticed that Melkor's greatest enemies, the ones he fears the most, and his most effective foes... are women? Tolkien might not like to put them front and center of his tales, and he might have been a man of the early 20th century England in culture and mind, but boy does he has something to say about how women are actually the first enemies of the literal embodiment of evil and destruction! I mean think about it. Varda of the Stars, and Yavanna of the trees. Nienna has her ambiguous relationship to him - her tears work against him, and yet without her plea for him he likely would not have been released from the dungeons of Mandos. You have Melian with her Girdle, and Luthien with her Hound. And of course most of all Arien, guardian of the Sun, not only one of the rare fire spirits that Melkor couldn't corrupt (despite him basically ruling over all fire), but that frightens him so much he keeps hiding away and doesn't even dare to attack her... [I also reblogged some times ago a post praising the brilliance of Tolkien keeping the old European sun-moon motifs but switching the genders. The weaker, inconsistant, lustful, whimsical, disorderly, untrustworthy Moon is now a male principle, while the steady, dangerous, strong, powerful and beautiful Sun is a woman.]
It is actually REALLY easy to do a feminist retelling of Tolkien's work. Melkor doesn't fear Manwë as much as Varda. Aulë's works and servants get corrupted by Melkor, while Yavanna's do not. Melian and Luthien actively works against him. He friggin' pisses himself when the Woman of the Sun shows up. Sure, there are some evil female characters that serve him down the line and are relegated to the "obscure footnotes and undescribed secondary characters" zone - Thuringwethil the vampire or queen Beruthiel. I coul also dropped deleted characters from early drafts, like the ogress Fluithuin. But among them stands Ungoliant... THE only true female big bad on the dark side of Arda. THE badass, nightmarish, creepy eldritch abomination. And who ends up double-crossing Melkor, almost KILLING him, and again making him basically shit in his pants - as Varda and Arien do.
The first enemies of Morgoth are not the Valar, or the Maiar, or the Elves... It's women.
#Huh... there was this woman. She had a name. Was hot. She weaved. And that's it moving on she is not actually relevant.#she's just here to ornate the text.#tolkien's legendarium#lord of the rings#silmarillion#the women of tolkien#feminism in fantasy#melkor#morgoth#seriously when you start looking at the world Tolkien created you actually can have SO MUCH FUN#i am a bit sad everybody keeps using the same analysis#the same points and the same angles over and over again#when it is clearly more open and under different lenses can become sometimes something much cooler than what people make it sound to be#i am sorry but the silmarillion sometimes sounds like a “feminist fantasy” as we can understand it today#it literaly sometimes is a glorious hymn of how the things evil fears the most and the only people who put a stop to the scheme of the devi#were women#who were queens and heroines and enchantresses and goddesses and princesses and warriors and the sun and eldritch horrors forever hungry#j.r.r. tolkien#tolkien talk#lotr#but let's be honest A LOT of other times it is just
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Hate to be that one person who completely missed the homoerotic codependency that was going on in Hymn to Virgil on genius.com
#i just think it's silly how they're like “no y'all the you hozier is talking about is clearly the woman not Virgil”#“it's not like the song is literally called hymn to Virgil or in other words praise/worship to Virgil”#but anyways#thank you Hozier the gays (me) are going crazy for this one#andrew hozier byrne#hymn to virgil#Hozier#unreal unearth#unreal unearth unending
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I feel like one of the reasons "feminist" Greek mythos retellings suffer so much from being made into modern retellings is because these stories were originally kinda feminist for the times they originated from. Making these already woman-based stories feminist by modern standards only make them reductive.
Authors make some of the men involved worse than they were (Perseus, Odysseus, Ares, Apollo) and will often use the female characters to bash on other female characters (Penelope and Helen, Persephone and Demeter, etc).
You also have to take into account who wrote down these stories. If this version of it is from actual Greek records/can be corroborated by other sources or if it's just from Ovid's versions, who retold these stories from a Roman perspective and with intention to depict certain aspects a certain way because he had bias against authority. Sure, his versions fleshed out the female characters more, such as Medusa and Arachne, but was it truly out of care for the women in the stories or just to use them for his personal desire to villainize the gods and those in power? Ovid's Medusa doesn't feel anymore feminist than the original because I don't think he actually cared about the character as a woman in pain but as another knife to stab into Athena and Poseidon.
How are some modern retellings any different? Margaret Atwood uses Penelope of Ithica to beat down Helen of Troy more than anything. Lore Olympus makes Persephone a sword for her mother to fall on. How are these authors any different than Ovid?
Finally, why do the more evil female characters have to be justified? There is the aspect that if a woman is not adhering to the cultural expectation she is to be made evil, but women like that do exist. Women like Medea exist. Women like Calypso exist. Women like the goddesses exist. Why do these retellings insist on making women morally upright and entirely justified to validate being "feminist"? Doesn't it just insist on a requirement to meet a different cultural standard for how a woman should act to be considered valid?
Is your retelling truly feminist if it justifies its existence by pretending the original wasn't?
#Finis analyzes#greek mythology#folklore#that one post about how women over time have pushed the bar#So their work eventually doesn't feel good enough#Can we stop acting like every man in Greek mythology is Zeus and Agamemnon#And that every woman is the most morally upright person or misunderstood#Do some actual research#Stop taking Ovid at face value#Also I'm not bashing the movement of using Medusa as an SA symbol. I'm glad survivors find comfort in Ovid's version#But that was ultimately OVID'S version not the original Greek#They shouldn't be conflated#Also not all stories were feminist and that's a fact#But man#Everyone likes to go after the ones that did center around women#And helping them reclaim power#Like the story of Perseus and why he slayed Medusa in the first place#and the hymn to Demeter
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The Angel Gabriel
The angel Gabriel from heaven came His wings as drifted snow his eyes as flame "All hail," said he, "thou lowly maiden Mary, Most highly favoured lady!" Gloria!
"For know a blessed mother thou shalt be All generations laud and honor thee Thy Son shall be Emmanuel, by seers foretold, Most highly favoured lady!" Gloria!
Then gentle Mary meekly bowed her head "To me be as it pleaseth God," she said "My soul shall laud and magnify his holy name." Most highly favoured lady, gloria!
Of her, Emmanuel, the Christ was born In Bethlehem, all on a Christmas morn And Christian folk throughout the world will ever say, "Most highly favoured lady!" Gloria!
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Gabriel announcing the incarnation to Mary, Fra Angelico (c.1441)
#barbara dickson the woman you are#angel gabriel#the angel gabriel#the annunciation#hymns#the angel gabriel from heaven came#christmas#christianity#Catholicism#mine#Youtube
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GIVE ME LEAHY'S EX-WIFE I'LL TREAT HER RIGHT🛐🛐 IF LEAHY AIN'T WANT HIS EX-WIFE THEN I'LL TAKE HER😍😍
Honestly after enduring that man, she deserves some lovin
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MORGAN HOLMSTROM Grazia Magazine
#morgan holmstrom#mholmstromedit#indigenousfc#dailywoc#dailywomen#femaledaily#dailywomenedit#flawlesscelebs#flawlessbeautyqueens#wocedit#femalestunning#wonderfulwoc#wonderfulwomendaily#skymededit#actressdaily#brunettesource#mine: edit*#is she a woman or a hymn?
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save me eshet chayil...eshet chayil...eshet chayil save me...
#fuck dude#“false is grace and vain is beauty”#it sure is#it sure is when you say it like that#im trying to find a good recording of it to recommend but i just cant#this song isnt meant to be sung by a man like all the recordings are#its meant to be sang by a woman#or a group#and you feel it in your heart#you feel the tug of the folklore and the culture#you feel the eshet chayil tapping on your shoulder#welcoming in shabbat with you#and you stand there like the fucking avatar knowing that there are so many generations of people behind you#who have stood in your position#at the shabbat table#singing a hymn#and feeling crushed (in a good way) by the realization of community#i didnt mean to write poetry in the tags but here we are XD#jumblr#jewblr#i guess#i may just record myself singing it since i cant find one that fits my standards
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You’ll never guess who changed her Durge’s name and class AGAIN.
#she’s a BARD/ROGUE now and her name is HYMN#this one should stick (says the woman who has said that before)#Thea -> Sable -> Hymn#Hymn#Durge#bg3#I’m all for non-canon playthroughs I love them but I have my Chosen One My Girl My Wife and it’s her I just can’t settle on a NAME OR CLASS#but Hymn the Bhaalspawn Bard (with Bhaal having chosen the name Hymn) is so on brand#the rogue (Arcane Trickster) comes into play once she becomes the Chosen of Daddy Dearest#not necessarily a like/reblog post it’s just me yapping
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Kesha - Rainbow
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#kesha#rainbow#moodboard#mood board#kesha rose#kesha rose sebert#bastards#let em talk#woman#hymn#praying#learn to let go#finding you#hunt you down#boogie feet#boots#old flames can't hold a candle to you#godzilla#spaceship#kesha sebert
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why does my mom have a boner bill in her car?????
#i Need you all to know for context this woman is So religious#every single favorited radio station is this car is christian rock or fucking hymns#she is so appalled whenever anyone makes a dick joke or that’s what she said or Anything similar
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in the middle of drawing dazai in the outfit i wore to church today xoxo dont know whether im drawing fem!dazai or just a fem dazai ^^
#bsd#bungou stray dogs#osamu dazai#bitch church SUCKED ASSSS (these tags are so fucking long holy shit)#the old woman in the row in front of us was just glaring at me#and when we did peace be with you she just lightly grazed my hand mumbled and quickly retracted it and turned away#i was pissing#and she just kept sending me dirty looks#it was the funniest shit ever#i didnt want to be there fr man#and then during like fucking ezekiels passage thing#it said something about how you should love yourself#then it was like but always know and think that everyone else is far superior to you and better than you in ever way#i was baffled so i said this to my mum and i was like “?! whys it saying that but then saying that? but counterintuitive no?”#and she was like “omg stfu were literally in church you cant be saying that shit?”#but she was laughing at half of the shit i was saying anyways#then i made her sing the hymns with me because i was just fucking grinning at her like why arent you singing mum come on#lets sing the hymns together#it was an experience#it was also fucking god awful#(no pun intended)#i said im not going to communion#and my mum was like ? you cant not go to communion#and i was like nope if i dont believe in the fucker why am i going to eat his flesh and she was like shhh#and then i was like ooh im old enough to drink the wine now LMAO#we havent been in like 6-7 years#and the priest was like “ive mentioned it in our newsletter but we urgently need altar servers”#“theres been no altar servers on saturday masses for over 5 years now”#and me and my mum were like yikes bc thats bc we havent been#(i used to be an altar server AEUGH)
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canon me and hermes conversation but also SHUT UP ‼️‼️
#me reading this: WERE YOU ALWAYS THIS EGREGIOUS?????#''i never forget a woman's words~'' man shut UP#anyway this whole scenario was very sweet sorry asfi i'm co-opting this for myself#him remembering me offhandedly mentioning a specific dessert way back when we first met like..... aaaaa.......#i'm normal.#♡ — text#🖤 bedroom hymns
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When I was little, probably 7 or 8, I spent a summer working in the library at our church helping out the elderly woman who ran it. It was no bigger than a large broom closet but we had a notable amount of religious books for all age ranges as well as an extensive collection of cassette recordings of every Sunday sermon going back a decade or two. I'd sit in there all day helping her catalog the index cards and keep record of who had borrowed what. We wrote on index cards all day long and listened to the recorded sermons, which included the choir's worship service at the beginning. "Nearer, My God, To Thee" was always my favorite hymn by a long shot. I wanted to emulate listening to it on the tiny tape player in that little library for Perverts. It's a fond memory of mine, just wanted to share :)
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I would like to immortalise this deeply bizarre top 5 on repeat:
#sorry it’s so huge I can’t find another square image lol#anyway. wow#anne speaks#a bit down the list is womanizer by britney spears and then a christian hymn
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Hymne à la Beauté (Charles Baudelaire)
Viens-tu du ciel profond ou sors-tu de l'abîme, O Beauté? ton regard, infernal et divin, Verse confusément le bienfait et le crime, Et l'on peut pour cela te comparer au vin.
Tu contiens dans ton oeil le couchant et l'aurore; Tu répands des parfums comme un soir orageux; Tes baisers sont un philtre et ta bouche une amphore Qui font le héros lâche et l'enfant courageux.
Sors-tu du gouffre noir ou descends-tu des astres? Le Destin charmé suit tes jupons comme un chien; Tu sèmes au hasard la joie et les désastres, Et tu gouvernes tout et ne réponds de rien.
Tu marches sur des morts, Beauté, dont tu te moques; De tes bijoux l'Horreur n'est pas le moins charmant, Et le Meurtre, parmi tes plus chères breloques, Sur ton ventre orgueilleux danse amoureusement.
L'éphémère ébloui vole vers toi, chandelle, Crépite, flambe et dit: Bénissons ce flambeau! L'amoureux pantelant incliné sur sa belle A l'air d'un moribond caressant son tombeau.
Que tu viennes du ciel ou de l'enfer, qu'importe, Ô Beauté! monstre énorme, effrayant, ingénu! Si ton oeil, ton souris, ton pied, m'ouvrent la porte D'un Infini que j'aime et n'ai jamais connu?
De Satan ou de Dieu, qu'importe? Ange ou Sirène, Qu'importe, si tu rends, — fée aux yeux de velours, Rythme, parfum, lueur, ô mon unique reine! — L'univers moins hideux et les instants moins lourds?
#poesie#poetry#french literature#beauty#romanticism#charles baudelaire#hymns#woman#angelcore#angel in disguise#satanic witch#power#ephemeral#my dear melancoly#infinite#ambiguous
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