#homophobia in fandoms

[kawaiitail-chan]

"B-b-but! They're only friends! They can't be gay! Thy are married to wome-" SHUT THE FUCK UP! I hate it when people erase the Mspec in favor of their oh so dear pwecious heteromantive canon couple

[twinktor-frankenstein]

Just a random rant about the x-files fandom, you can ignore this. (there will be course language)

It's damn near impossible to find good gay rep. And I don't just mean "gay" as a general term. I mean gay as in gay men, mlm, nblm ect. Especially in the kind of media that I find myself gravitating towards. So finally, fucking finally I find a show with a gay man in it, a canonically gay character. Confirmed not by some random screenwriter in an obscure Twitter post from a million years ago, but by the MAIN CHARACTER. Only to find out that fans of the fucking show completely dismiss it and continue to treat him as a straight man. Surely you can see why I, as a gay man, might be a little, I don't know, disappointed.

I don't honestly give a flying fuck what excuses you cishet girls want to pull for excuses to continue lusting after him, he. Is. Gay.

I don't give a fuck if he kissed a woman, so did I! Guess what fucker, he kissed said woman to get what he wanted form her. Also, kissing, sleeping with, dating, even MARRYING a woman does not mean you're any less gay. You want to know how I know? Because I've dated MULTIPLE women, and here I stand today. A gay man.

"He doesn't act gay." What do YOU define as acting gay, huh? Cause I define it as ACTING LIKE A PERSON. Because you can't define who is and is not gay based on how they act alone. Fuck off.

Hes a gay man. Cope. Writhe. Seethe. It will change nothing. You can't fucking take him from us.

[mostofthingsmostofthetime]

Omg yes because people keep acting like MHA is the worst fandom to ever exist because its toxic (unfortunately most big fandoms have at least some toxicity to them) & it's cringey (you're on the Internet complaining about teens dressing up as cartoon superheroes, you are also cringe).

The one that makes me genuinely mad though is when someone will do something as harmless as just mentioning a gay ship (& one that's not even problimatic) & certain people will absolutely loose their shit. go on like: THEY'RE JUST FRIENDS, YOUR SEXUALISING THEM (thinking they'd be cute as a couple dosn't automatically mean your sexualing them & why don't those people hold that same energy when its a het ship or male fans/male creators sexualising the female characters). Even going as far as throwing out the by now famous line: THIS IS WHY I LEFT THE FANDOM! Like you don't have to ship it but the way you react to (usually) gay teens even just headcannoning a character as 'not straight' when IT'S CANNON THAT THEY ARE (they're sexuality has never actually been stated, you just view straight as the default) reeks of homophobia wether you realise it or not.

Like I've watched shows where fans would litrually send death threats to the creators/actors over thier fav het ship not being endgame (or because of racism) but you draw the line at someone making a picture of two boys/two girls kissing?

Popular shows/movies have litrually had cannon storylines about an attempted rapist getting a happy ending, "romantic" stalking, a teacher marrying their former student, ancestral incest, someone falling in love with their capture, age gaps of hundreds of years & so on. But two people of the same age & gender being together? Well, now you've just gone too far!!!!!!

Seriously, you're stupid, hypercritical, and just all round annoying, and I have no interest in your opinions.

I think the Evil Media Bias Against Platonic Relationships is one of those things tumblr loves to get worked up about despite, like. simply not being real.

[catihere]

Considering his upbringing as a Greek demigod with a relatively present godly parent and an apparently open-minded mortal mother, with only a brief part of his childhood spent in fascist Italy, Nico is not very likely to have what we call “religious trauma” or “catholic guilt”.

Will, born and raised in the south of the USA in the early 2000s, on the other hand…

[nekropsii]

We need more images like this. If you have any, drop them in the reblogs or somethin'. Fandom is a nightmare.

[anniflamma]

So I’ve received a couple of anonymous messages telling me that they were really disappointed in me for liking Elian's Antinous fanart. Instead of answering them individually, I’m just going to make an angry rant post instead. Most of if probably won't make sense anyway.

This post have talk about SA, and homophobia. Be aware. I don’t ship genuinely Telemachus and Antinous, if that’s what you’re wondering. I didn’t even consider the possibility that ship could even exist. At the end of the day, I don't care about that ship.

And do you want me to explain that I know SA is bad? Or that I’m aware Telemachus/Antinous is a toxic ship? Do you think I’m dumb and don’t know that? You don't have to explain to me either, I know that SA is bad, I have experienced it, you don't have to explain to me, trust me I know.

I like Elian's art because it’s really beautiful. Her work is a huge inspiration and encouragement for me when making animatics. But do I REALLY have to spell out, word for word, that I know Antinous is an antagonist and tries to do bad things? Does it mean every time someone draws Antinous and I like it, I have to explain that I like the drawing because it’s well done, not because I support Antinous’ intent toward Penelope and wants to kill Telemachus?

I mean, I’ve seen tons of thirsty comments like, "I hate how Zeus treats women, but your design is really hot" or "Even if Poseidon SA Demeter, this Poseidon I'd go down on all fours for!"

I have seen some stuff….

I guess I could just imitate something like that????

But I know it’s a joke and I know its a fantasy that someone is expressing. Its not real, its fictional. I know all those thirsty ppl who simp over Poseidon, Zeus, or even Antinous aren’t supporting hatred and violence toward women. And yes, I am expecting that you should already know this too. Because if we gonna assume the worst of ppl… Then everyone who likes Greek myth/Epic the musical are pro SA. "Do you like Crice from Epic the musical? That means that you support her actions, you support SA!" "Oh you like Odysseus?! He killed a baby and all of his female slaves cuz they got SA by the suitors! You support infanticide, slavery and SA!" Do you hear how dumb that sounds? To be honest, I wouldn’t be that surprised if there are some who think like this. I mean, this discussion wouldn’t even be a thing, right.

And if you don’t know, I literally make thirst art of Poseidon (and that includes Zeus and Hermes), and you don’t see it as a bad thing??? It’s Poseidon… Do you know what he has done to women in the myths?!

Im going to ramble here and I will bring up stories from greek myth that have SA in it. So be aware.

One example is the story of Caeneus. When Caeneus was a woman, his parents left him to take care of the house while they were out running errands. Poseidon took that as an opportunity to break into the house and sexually assault him. This is probably the only myth where Poseidon actually feels bad after what he did, so he grants Caeneus a wish. Aww, how sweet~~~ /sarcasm.

Do I need to give an example of Zeus? We all know what Zeus does. But hey, I’ve made Poseidon/Hermes ship art. And guess what? There’s a story where Hermes breaks a woman’s leg so she can’t run away from him, and then he sexually assaults her. Isn’t that cute~~! /sarcasm

Heck, I can even go on with my biblical ships. David/Jonathan—David, a serial assaulter and murderer, and Jonathan, a mass murderer. But do I support their actions? No, I do not support mass murder, and its really dumb that I have to spell it out for you.

Daniel/Darius is even questionable too! It's literally a king and his servant, and that power imbalance is so big I don’t know what to tell you! Do I have to spell it out that I know that, in real life, king/servant relationships aren’t cute at all?!

All of these characters that I’ve listed have done or represent horrible things. And I have to tell you that I don't support their actions?! Really? You really can't think outside the box?

But do you see what I’m trying to tell you? We can simp over other ancient mythological figures but Antinous is the red line that we can never cross??? It’s hypocritical and immature, that’s what it is.

Right now, ppl loves the Ody seduces Zeus art I made. And that "ship" is well really questionable too! But nobody have called me a witch and tries to burn me at the stake yet. 😐

And the thing is, I can separate these fictional characters from the real world. I can also separate the fictional material from other fictional interpretations. Exemple, I like The Song of Achilles, in it, they are the same age, but I am also aware that in the Iliad, Achilles is 16 and Patroclus is 26. But do I automatically assume that Madeline Miller likes teens? No! Do I assume that everyone who likes The Song Of Achilles like that shit? No!

But we still can have a disscussion about it without making it into a witch trial.

As long as we can separate different fictional materials, then everything is fine. It only becomes a problem if a person can’t separate them. Then we have a problem. I can acknowledge that my depiction of King David from the bible is not the same as from the original story and that he is horrible person towards women. If I couldn't acknowledge that, then its bad! The same goes for Antinous if someone makes an AU or headcanon about him. If someone want so make AUs about Antinous, my first thoughts isnt "Oh they like to SA ppl!". At the end of the day, this is just a group from tiktok who didn’t like a toxic ship and decided to bully an artist while acting like they have superior morals.

And I get this type of shit from christians when I make my queer bible interpitations, both from those that don't like the queer stuff but also those that points out that David and Jonathan were horrible ppl.

So I rarely answer comments like this because they usually end up spewing beliefs filled with homophobia and Islamophobia. Heck rasism sometimes, apparently, Christians don’t know that the Bible takes place in the Middle East, and they are angry at me for drawing them looking like Arabs! I just delete their comments before they gets there. Making queer biblical animatics on TikTok that go viral on the Christian side is not fun at all guys....

And hate to say it but tiktok Epic fans sound really similar. You are acting like you’re on a pedestal, holier than thou. Its just a different font.

+ I haven’t forgotten all those homophobic comments I got on my David/Jonathan animatic that I posted right after my Ruthlessness animatic. Epic fans were saying they didn’t want “that gay shit” and wanted to see more Epic stuff. Hate to break it to you all, but the Epic fandom isn’t that innocent.

[6ofbastards]

i just wanted to say that NOT ONLY did they make that whole "rock, paper, scissors" bit on the documentary, they also tweeted this to make sure we knew they were not sleeping in the same bed.

[punkrock-confetti]

Engie i drew to cope with the hot weather💔

[jacki-daytona]

Yeah so. This is a queer friendly and kink friendly space.

If you couldn’t tell by now.

And this - if I’m not mistaken and I don’t think I am - is the moment Tommy makes Buck beam so

Take your purity bullshit elsewhere.

Edit: I was remiss in only calling this purity bullshit. It’s also homophobic bullshit.

[allthesame-notthesame]

can i just say i am so sorry to all the gay, bi and just queer men in this fandom who have to witness this horrible amount of homophobia over tommy and just his fucking presence in the show as bucks boyfriend!

you all deserve better than this toxic bullshit from the fandom, you deserve to be able to see people celebrating this gay relationship without people saying they want tommy to die because he gets in the way of buddie, or that he is horrible for making a joke after they were both vulnerable and buck literally set him up for it!!!

and to all the people in the fandom who are actively spouting this homophobic bullshit, maybe think for a moment about why you hate this gay man so much, and why you hate this queer male relationship, and why your response to hating it is talking about how the gay man is toxic, predatory and corrupting sweet innocent buck. maybe consider how this narrative isn’t as innocent as you may think it is and how it might be indicative of some prejudice and homophobia in yourself!

and a reminded you are not immune to being homophobic just because you are queer!!!

[dadbodbuck]

immediately tired of people being all "i'm allowed to hate tommy for the slightest reasons" like. sure. but fucking consider WHY you hate tommy for self-ascribed slight reasons when other characters have done worse, more malicious things. why are you singling out a gay man? why isn't he allowed to express sexual desire? why is his reciprocation of buck's daddy issues joke HIS fault? jesus christ just say you want to sexualize queer men without listening to us talk about our experiences, traumas, and desires

[ellstersmash]

seeing a lot of posts about being prepared to avoid fandom discourse this time around and while I will also be bobbing and weaving that bullshit, let's also make it a point to gear up and watch out for the bigotry and abuse that will inevitably come to light--and not to avoid it, but to actively participate in making fandom a hostile place for it to thrive.

challenge your friends when they say something transphobic on the discord server. ask your fave if they meant to whitewash that character in their art. watch for harmful tropes and stereotypes in the fic (and source material!) that you read. when other people bring it up, don't dismiss it as discourse. most importantly, when trans people, disabled people, LGBTQ+ people, people of color, and victims of abuse share their experiences, listen.

[rondoel]

Looked into my folder and there was so much of them! 😭

[bucksboobs]

i was told to come ask you, and i will repeat this part, please treat this ask with kindness because i feel so dumb, i don't really understand why people are saying not liking tommy is homophobic. i'm only on tumblr, and i follow a very select few ppl, but every criticism i've seen of tommy has been bc of his past actions (which does feel like a major overreaction bc clearly the characters moved past it) the writing and acting choices, or a combo based fully on the fact that he's not who they wanted to be with buck. i just haven't seen anything that says they are hating him specifically for being a gay man, and i was wondering if i was missing something. sorry if this wasn't a good place to ask this!

So it’s never as blatant as “we hate him for being a gay man” it’s the language used. Calling him creepy, or gross, or a predator, or a groomer, or poisonous, or insisting that he’s sexually harassing Buck when he’s literally just flirting. The way they misinterpret every scene to say that Tommy doesn’t ACTUALLY have feelings for Buck and that he’s just a pervert in it for the sex. The way they gleefully imagine killing him in the most violent ways possible for the sole reason that he is dating Buck. Saying any gay man that is like Tommy sucks. It all adds up to this overwhelming feeling for myself and other gay men that we are not welcome in this space.

And the idea that we as mlm aren’t welcome is bad, but what hurts the most? The fact that we are so quickly swept aside by the people doing it as irrelevant to the conversation. “It’s just a joke, lighten up!” “It’s no different than what Taylor Kelly went through but suddenly you care because he’s a man?” There was a person in my notes just the other day telling me fandom “isn’t primarily about men” so my experiences don’t matter.

What hurts even more is the passivity that many people in the fandom seem to have towards the rising tide of ridiculous nonsense leveled at Tommy as just “fandom shipping tradition” people I used to follow and admire as Buddie shippers turned out to not fucking care about how they and their friends were harming the gay men in their fandom, when it’s based on a m/m ship. I’ve said this many different ways but the fact that gay men are only relevant when we’re fictional (and only if the fictional ones behave correctly and do nothing remotely problematic) feels a lot like fetishization… but you can’t say that because these people take that as an attack on fandom as a whole and they close ranks and accuse you of being a spoilsport.

So the homophobia is in the reckless use of language that evokes homophobic tropes, yes, but it’s also in the way its allow to fester and it’s more unacceptable to many people to call it out than it is to do it in the first place. And THAT creates a hostile environment for gay men, which is homophobia.

[catwouthats]

“But he doesn’t love him. It’s just a bromance; he’s just super obsessed and infatuated with him!”

*Slams Lady Gaga’s Paparazzi in your face along with Harley’s infatuation with Joker and how they made that romantic and literally EVERY fucking straight stalker story that is AUTOMATICALLY ASSUMED AND STATED TO COME WITH AT LEAST ONE SIDED ROMANTIC FEELINGS and then runs*

[creepst-crypt]

Bill stop being homophobic.

S&P- censoring party’s since 2012