#history of nazi salute

[mamuzzy]

-- HEIL CEASAR --

A history and media blurb and educational rant from Mamuzzy

Contents:

-- Heil Cézár!!! -- -- 'Allo 'Allo -- -- What is the Roman Salute? -- Why the nazi salute associated to the Romans? -- Mussolini and the statue of Emperor Augustus -- The Bellamy Salute -- -- Modern nazis are spineless cowards --

-- HEIL CÉZÁR!!! --

You know, one reason that Life of Brian hungarian DUB is genius because they didn't translate the line "hail Ceasar".

They said instead: "HEIL CÉZÁR!" while saluting. With the german HEIL. We knew exactly that this salute+greeting refered to Hitler.

But know this, we - the audience - were also aware what role Hitler had in history, the first heil-ings in the movie already told us what we need to know about the romans: that they are not just antagonists, but straightout villains of the story (unless you were raised racist and antisemite). And let's be honest, romans weren't exactly the ones you want to praise.

*insert what did the romans gave us scene here.* *insert what nazi scientists gave to the modern medical science and at what cost here*

The thing is, I didn't find this joke when tried to look up among the english scenes. You know, among most quoted stuff and there are plenty of lines you quote from this movie to this day.

Are you saying that the centurions saying HEIL CEASER is a hungarian dub-specific joke???? O___O

The salute is at: 0:15

Romans had this greeting though which is the equivalent of Hail: it's the latin Ave. Ave is how they greeted important people, officials, or the Ceasars themselves.

Suetonius in his "Lives of the Caesars" recounts that gladiators in the arena would address the Roman emperor with the phrase, ‘Ave Caesar, morituri te salutant [Hail Caesar, those who are about to die salute you]’.

More under the cut

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-- 'ALLO 'ALLO --

It makes me wonder if british tv shows used some kind of watered down form of the actual nazi greeting UNLESS the actors and extras were shown FROM BEHIND. You know. Unrecognizable. The main characters of the show rarely seen extending their arms even if they were playing german officers themselves.

Same with the Life of Brian centurion salute which can be or not being the parody of a nazi salute.

I just really thought this is interesting.

-- WHAT IS THE ROMAN SALUTE? --

The thing is, that romans never used the same salutes what the nazis did. You just have to look at the nuances.

[THIS] <- is actually a very good article about various greeting forms of the romans, but nothing were about the whole arm extended in staight line in that angle while the palm looking down.

But here are some examples from the Column of Traian which is also mentioned in the article.

-- WHY THE NAZI SALUTE ASSOCIATED TO THE ROMANS?--

What we actually know about "Nazi Roman Salute", THE ONE that is associated with fascism and nazis comes from this painting. Oath of Horatii by Jacques-Louis David and it become a very popular hand sign in neoclassicits artworks depicting Roman Culture.

Know that Hitler and his bunch were history-nerds and art-nerds, but the worst kind: their cherry picked the things they liked about other cultures and incorporated them into their belief system. The more grandious history the country had with conquest and being a giant empire in the past, the more they went into fanboy mode. They hunted relics from the past too that was associated to the romans and everything that could have been used as a tool of propaganda.

The Nazi party first and foremost wanted to find proof that the germans are they indeed descendants of a superior race. The proof didn't have to be true or valid, it was enough if they could sell it as the only truth.

What I'm saying is, that the nazi salute is not resembling to the actual roman greatings. They got their greeting from an art piece which is not even made in its own time but in the 19th century. It's like when you are try to learn character lore from a fanart or a fanfic. It won't give full justice to the source.

-- MUSSOLINI AND THE STATUE OF EMPEROR AUGUSTUS --

Musk is getting tired of being called Hitler? You can still call him Mussolini.

People often go and mistake Augustus's handwave as a salute and originating the Roman Salute to him. But it turned out that the hand was repaired multiple times in the history. The original statue held a spear in his hand.

Benito Mussolini used Augustus as a symbol of fascism.

And later this hand gesture became popular in the Nazi Germany too.

-- THE BELLAMY SALUTE --

Got "Captain America is a hydra agent???" heart attack here?

You shouldn't. This is called Bellamy salute, or its other name: The flag salute. It was first used in 1892, USA, way before the fascist waves in Europe. They got the same idea like the nazis: the popular salute depiction of the Roman Empire, made by the Neo-classicist artists.

The Pledge of Alliance was written by Francis Bellamy but it was presented by James B. Upham, editor of The Youth's Companion.

At a signal from the Principal the pupils, in ordered ranks, hands to the side, face the Flag. Another signal is given; every pupil gives the flag the military salute – right hand lifted, palm downward, to align with the forehead and close to it. Standing thus, all repeat together, slowly, "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands; one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all." At the words, "to my Flag", the right hand is extended gracefully, palm upward, toward the Flag, and remains in this gesture till the end of the affirmation; whereupon all hands immediately drop to the side.

— The Youth's Companion, 65 (1892): 446.

This handsignal became controversial in the US due to the italian fascist and nazi germans started to use the very same handsign for saluting and eventually they banned it in fear that US will be associated with fascist values.

The fear had basis.

There were americans who were against participating in WW2 and to discredit such opposition movements, Pro-Intervention groups used photos of people doing the Bellamy salute to make it appear, they are one group with the german nazis. They took photos from angles where the American Flag could be easily edited out so people won't be able to tell they are saluting to the flag or just saluting like a nazi.

Sec. 5. That during the ceremony of hoisting or lowering the flag or when the flag is passing in a parade or in a review, all persons present should face the flag, stand at attention, and salute. Those present in uniform should render the right-hand salute. When not in uniform, men should remove the headdress with the right hand holding it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Men without hats merely stand at attention. Women should salute by placing the right hand over the heart. The salute to the flag in the moving column should be rendered at the moment the flag passes.

Public Law 77-623 by the 77th Congress of the United States Pub.L. 77−623, 56 Stat. 377, H.J.Res. 303, enacted June 22, 1942

-- MODERN NAZIS ARE SPINELESS COWARDS IN HIDING --

Elon Musk didn't even try to bring up the Bellamy salute as an excuse which could have been honestly a very believable excuse (still shitty and spineless) given the whole places was probably full of US flags. But I don't give him credit and trust that he knows US history this well.

But this phenomenon is not new to me. Our politicians do the very same: they are nazi saluting and when the public opinion becomes bad about them, they try to weasel out their way with shitty excuses, not even stepping up for their own values that the salute holds.

Currently what we see throughtout the world (and what I see in my own country), rightwingers/fascists/nazis trying to silence the voices that tells them: YOU SUCK.

They make themselves the oppressed group, but in fact they just can't handle the consequences that with their choosen values, they become human piece of trash. They can't bear that the public opinion turn against them.

So what do they do in this situation? What every dictator does: Accuse the enemy/opposition with the crimes you do.

"Nazis are enemies of the free-speech right? Queers, leftists, doctors, teachers minorities etc are hating us for having our own opinions, therefor they are against free-speech!!!"

I mean look at Russia. Accusing Ukrainians being nazis to justify their eradication and genocide. I mean, you wouldn't protect a nazi, right?

They don't have to come out as nazis because these assholes in high places will tell the definition of what it means being a nazi. And it will be:

nazi = EVERYONE WE HATE AND WHO IS AGAINST US.

[thenuclearmallard]

With the censorship on the rise and limited information being accessible across platforms. This gif will tell you everything you need to know about what's going on in the US.

[onlytiktoks]

[midshipmank]

wow my anxiety is just through the roof this january

[mangacat201]

10000 posts!

[jillflame]

Hey Elon,

This is one of those moments when you set up a camera and give a very heartfelt serious claim of denial. Explain your acknowledgement over the seriousness of the situation.

Don't tweet about it. My God man.

If you truly didn't mean it- I'm sorry, but it's in front of our eyes. We're going to make assumptions unless you shut it down with the level of respect something like this deserves.

And if you don't shut it down, well. Then we have our answer as to the kind of man you are.

[sports45]

Things Elon Musk Could Do with His Right Hand Instead of the Nazi Salute

Grab something off a high shelf for a short person.

Pitch for an adult-amateur community baseball league. This is a great hobby for someone who needs to improve their coordination and can’t make friends based on their personality.

Pick up a classic work of literature — one that’s heavy and powerful, like a gun you can read. (Not Mein Kampf.)

Conduct a symphony (not Wagner).

Rock one of his twelve abandoned children while singing a lullaby — something besides ‘Horst-Wessel-Lied,’ the anthem of the Nazi Party from 1930–1945.

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[empatheticpomegranite]

mlk day so bad it's got me pulling out my old AP US history notes just to review the bullshit these evil people said.

[americanminervan]

Elon Musk gives Fascist Salute and Speaks to the AfD

ELON MUSK HAS NOT DENIED OR COMMENTED ON HIS INFAMOUS SALUTE. Musk is gesturing the Fascist salute, which survives with the Neo-Fascists in Italy and among various factions of Neo-Fascists and Neo-Nazis today. When you speak to a Fascist of any kind, he or she greets you in person or digitally by emoji with the salute known mostly as the “Fascist salute” or the “Heil Hitler” salute. The meaning…

[onlytiktoks]

[morganagotinne]

CUT THE BULL SHIT FUCKING COCKSUCKER.

COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO RABBI WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE PICTURE BELOW?

EVERYBODY CAN SEE KING OF ENGLAND TEACHING NAZI SALUTE TO HIS NIECE, A.K.A. YOUR LATE MOTHER!

YOU ARE NOT AN INTERFAITH MONARCH. YOU ARE JUST A SOILED NAZI TAMPON!

[amethystsoda]

😅😅😅😅😅

credit to @/lizardthingie on TikTok

[apricior]

in light of recent events, i am seeing a lot of posts talking about punching nazis and fighting nazis. and that is good and all, but at the end of the day it is worthless if your activism starts and ends at condemning the nazi salute. antisemitism and nazism are more than sieg heiling and spray painting swastikas on a wall.

if you truly care about nazism, learn about its characteristics. learn what it really means. learn how it has affected and still affects jewish people. learn about antisemitism, about dogwhistles, about stereotypes. learn how to identify it when it's hidden, when it's not coming from right-wing white supremacists who openly hate jews, when it's coming from friends, or relatives, or other left-wing groups. identify what antisemitic beliefs you hold. fight antisemitism even when it is directed at jews you don't like or you disagree with.

and, above everything, support the jewish community. learn about their history, their culture, their customs. love jews more than you hate nazis.

international holocaust remembrance day is next week (january 27th). if you truly want to be an ally to the jewish community, condemning elon musk is not enough.

[liberalsarecool]

Elon is a Nazi.

If you have to defend a “Roman Salute” you’re on the wrong side of history.

[sayruq]

Statement: Student organizations in the Gaza Strip in solidarity with the Student Intifada in the United States

In the name of God, the most gracious, the most merciful… We, the students of Gaza, salute the students of Columbia University, Yale University, New York University, Rutgers University, the University of Michigan, and dozens of universities across the United States who are rising up in solidarity with Gaza and to put an end to the Zionist-U.S. genocide against our people in Gaza. As we remain under the bombs of occupation, resisting Nazi genocide, grieving for our martyred colleagues and faculty, and witnessing the destruction of our universities, we welcome the examples of solidarity offered by students facing arrest, police violence, suspension, eviction, and expulsion in order to demand that their universities end their complicity in the Zionist-U.S. genocide and renounce their support for the occupation and the war profiteers that arm it. We have seen hundreds of students arrested across the United States as they work to transform their universities into “Popular Universities for Gaza.” Students, faculty, and staff are disrupting university operations and making clear that while universities in Gaza are being bombed, university business cannot continue as usual in the United States. These actions come as university administrations collaborate with members of Congress to discredit conscientious student activists and faculty, expel students, ban events, shut down student organizations such as Students for Justice in Palestine, and condemn activists working to end the Nazi genocide. At the same time, these same universities invest in the same companies that profit from the continued sale of weapons to the Zionist regime to continue its genocidal offensive. Our students �� and our educational system as a whole – in occupied Palestine are subjected to ongoing genocidal aggression: our universities destroyed and bombed, our student organizations banned, and our student leaders subjected to torture, assassination and mass imprisonment. However, in Palestine and around the world, the student movement has always been a driving force of our struggle for liberation. When we see videos and images from American universities today, we are reminded of our history of student struggle as well as the student uprisings of 1968, which challenged imperialism from Vietnam to Palestine and reshaped the face of Europe and the United States. Now, in 2024, the student movement is once again leading the way. From here in Gaza, we see you and salute you. Your actions and activism matter, especially in the heart of the empire, in the United States. As members of Congress agree to provide $26 billion in additional weapons to bomb our people and continue the Zionist-U.S. genocide, you are taking meaningful action to shut down the war machine on your campuses. It is clear that a new generation is rising that will no longer accept Zionism, racism and genocide, and that stands with Palestine and our liberation from the river to the sea. Your global student solidarity is breaking boundaries, and it is time to smash the US imperialist war machine. From Gaza to Columbia, to Ann Arbor and Berkeley, our hands are joined to end Nazi genocide and achieve our collective liberation.

[historyfidgetcritter]

Today's current events are tomorrow's history. And that happened yesterday.

what do you mean elon musk did a nazi salute on live tv at the united states presidential inauguration twice and is now erasing the evidence off the internet by replacing the footage with the crowd cheering instead?

would be a shame if people reblogged this, wouldn’t it?