#hellaverse Crimson

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So yea, I liked the new trailer. Also, I don't think this technically counts as a spoiler, but putting it under a cut just in case

According to some older leaks, I can confidently say that the hotel owner guy is probably not Leviathan in disguise, and just thematic build up, the same way both Robofizz and Crimson built up to Mammon.

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I forgot to post it here during pride month but I guess that's... appropriate 😅😅

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The weight things is that Crimson's design was changed to Moxxie with a fuller figure, until Mammon was introduced, he was the closest the series had to a properly plus-sized significant character. Meaning we have not one, but two characters from the Greed ring who are the only major overweight characters, and their both portrayed as pure villains.

I'm pretty sure that when the beat boards were made Crim was going to live in wrath nd be a sort of big game hunter, but it was changed to Greed, possibly to build up to Mammon being a villain. And though it probably made the episode worse, I am kind of thankful for it. I love the grimy industrial aesthetic so much, you don't even know.

Only way to know for sure how much the plot changed is to see all the beat boards, which likely won't happen, at least for a long time.

And now, by literally no one's demand, Another Reason Why Crimson Doesn't Quite Work!

So you know the song and dance about Moxxie always being called fat, but did you know what Crim looked like in the beat boards?

A hairy, hulking brute with a more modern fashion sense. This design makes him feel powerful, an active and competent threat. Also notice that Alessio, his bodyguard, seemingly didn't exist yet and weapons were a more prominent motif in his house at this point in production.

But Spindlehorse didn't go with this design, they made him a slightly taller version of his son, who is constantly mocked for his "weight", might I ad, with thicker legs and gave him a bodyguard. They made him a "fatter" pretentious blowhard who needs his cronies to do everything for him.

Maybe this is more weird fatphobia from Spindlehorse, or maybe this was just done to justify him hiring Striker in Oops. Hell, maybe the Crim and Chaz stories were originally 2 different episodes, that would actually explain a lot about the final product. Either way, I we confident that the original version of Crimson Knolastname would have been a much stronger villain, both figuratively and literally.

Look at Blitz smiling obliviously, he’s so cute and silly as always. It’s kinda weird in hindsight that they didn’t just have Loona call in sick or something her absence wasn’t really explained. I know the VA was on break but the writers didnt come up with anything for it.

Ughh it bothers me so much to hear all the potential creativity and original ideas/stories we could’ve had. So many creative minds on the team and it all gets drafted to be a sausage party episode with funnee fuck jokes~

He’s way better there. Sans stache because everyone seems to have the same stache as Striker and he’s better original. I still feel like he’s unnecessary. Moxie was born in wrath grew up in wrath and both his parents were still alive originally, so rewriting his story is really stupid. I actually don’t even know why Crimson couldn’t be a wrath ring imp mafia. Why greed?

The concept probably didn’t have the creepy and ridiculous ‘forced gay marriage’ plot either. That was so incredibly stupid and senseless. That said I really enjoyed most of the episode, the setting was really cool, the green saturated colors and dark lighting were really threatening. But it had to go and make this all about penises…I’m embarrassed that I watch this show sometimes.

I honestly cant comment on the weight thing, I don’t really see the point being made there.

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Helluva Boss new episode - Spoiler alert!!! ⚠️

I loved this episode. Blitz and Fizz dynamic was very funny and cute. I'm happy that they be friends again. Very touching ♥️

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i posted my striker and crim redesigns already, but figured id put them both into one post too! (also with their original designs for reference)

edited to add this crim too as per request!!! :3 thank you!!!

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Spoilers for the new Helluva Boss episode (Ghostfuckers).

This one-off villain that we'll never see again is, fully unironically, the single best antagonist in the show. He was so much cooler and more threatening than Stella, Striker or Crimson. Him tormenting Blitz with his memories felt more personal than anything those three did, and they're supposed to be the big villains of the show. Hell, he was genuinely better than some of Hazbin's villains.

Takes notes, Vivziepop. You can cook if you actually take your fucking villains seriously for once and not make them into unfunny comic relief (aka what Season 2 did to Striker).

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Most Marriageable Hellaverse Character (Round 2, Section 1, Match 2)

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Who’s the best villain so far in the Hellaverse?

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There is a world of difference between Valentino and Crimson's methods of abuse

I think it is weird they get compared and I would like to offer my two cents.

Yes, they both slap their victim but there is a world of difference.

NO, I DON'T THINK ONE IS BETTER OR WORSE THEN THE OTHER, THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

Crim is all about having a sense of control, he treats Moxxie like he is a child he is disciplining (as an abusive parent). He slaps him once after asking him to come over to him to show his dominance. It makes sense that he would prefer to make a slap as an act of humiliation and then threaten Moxxie with his men since he in his two appearances let his goons do the heavy lifting and doesn't get involved besides shouting orders. It gives him a feeling of control, like he is the king of his castle.

Valentino however is a paranoid asshole and very much gets his hands dirty, assaulting people when he please or is in a fit of rage. When he loses his temper because he thinks Angel is challenging his authority by having Charlie "fight his battles for him", he not only slaps Angel but also push him around and hurts him. Not just because he is furious or to show his dominance but also because it provides him sadistic pleasure.

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No wonder Striker went insane after witnessing this.

Here you are trying to be this cool Lee Van Cleef-esq classic Western bad guy, and your kidnap victim pulls this Bugs Bunny shit on you.

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Decided to rant about Striker's character and why I think he works (Warning: This ended up being massive)

The best analogy about Striker that I can make is that he isn't really a cowboy, but a comic book villain who themes himself around being a cowboy. Now that I've done the meme-y version, allow me to actually explain.

A lot of people seem to overlook that there is a single thread that holds together Striker's personality, and is the root of most of his characterization. And that thread is a need for respect.

Let's look through his appearances and explore how his obsession manifests:

Harvest Moon Festival:

In his first episode, Striker presents himself as a model Wrath imp in order to gain the trust of Millie's family and Blitz. The only person he breaks character around is Moxxie, since he assumes Moxxie's insecurity about not being good enough in the eyes of his in-laws will make him automatically respect someone who they do approve of.

He later breaks character when Blitz catches him, he tries to convince Blitz that they're too good to live their lives around the whims of nobles, he tries to show himself as someone who can get Blitz what he wants, or rather, what Striker thinks Blitz wants, again to seem like someone who's "got it figured out" .

Another note worthy thing is his very professional way of speaking with Stella in both this and the next episode he's in, we'll get back to this later.

Western Energy:

The first point of interest is easy to miss the significance of, when breaking into the Richest Cup he makes it as dramatic as possible, he's trying to show himself as dangerous enough to warrant such cocky recklessness while surrounded by goetic demons.

After he takes Stolas we see his hideout which is full of scavenged western imagery that looks like an ominous lair, but upon closer inspection is actually a meager living arrangement for a deeply troubled demon.

His actual rant to Stolas includes a line about nobles taking everything lower class demons care about, showing WHY respect is important to him, he's never felt that he, or the part of society he belongs to, have been respected, or as he later says, all nobles do is try to talk over them.

Striker torturing Stolas shows how his need for respect is reflected in him being an assassin, he thinks he can get respect through fear, that having the most primal form of authority over someone will make him feel more significant. And this is why Stolas and I.M.P. are his greatest enemies, their irreverence makes them the only targets that don't play his game, that remind him of what he really is, a desperate, fragile, hero in his own mind, willing to do whatever it takes to prove his importance, not to others, but to himself.

Once again, he's begrudgingly cordial towards Stella despite his hatred of royals, in an effort to get even a fleeting acknowledgement of his worth. Showing that his belief that he can play into people's minds to get what he wants extends to his emotional wants as well.

Oops:

Here we see Striker in a much different light, mostly due to his new employer. First off, he's much more open with his frustration and moments of weakness, despite Crimson actually being physically present there and being able to see and hear everything. I think this is because Crim is a rare example of someone Striker doesn't feel he needs respect from. Crimson is, at least in Striker's eyes, an imp who has found moderate success by mimicking the lifestyle of a royal. He might not show it, but Striker probably resents Crimson just as much as, if not more than, he resents Blitz and Fizz, since Crimson has no actual royal support (that we know of).

Speaking of Blitz and Fizz, in his interaction with them in the cage scene we get the most blatant example of Striker thinking that his victimhood as an imp makes his "accomplishments" more worthy of respect, as he completely skirts around the fact he's the only hybrid out of the three, and we also learn he's aware of all this on at least some level when he threatens Fizzarolli for comparing him to a royal due to his arrogance.

And lastly, the climax when he grabs Fizz and the moment when we get the immortal line "Why is it always a sex thing!?", and why is it always a sex thing? Why do the members of IMP and those close to them not fall for his act? Put simply, it's due to trust, no matter how skilled or intimidating he is, Striker is still a loner with no one and nothing to fall back on beside his own skill. In sharp contrast to this the main cast have strong enough bonds that they know someone will oppose him. For example, Striker's attempt at demoralizing Stolas fails because he didn't think Blitz would trust his employees enough to do the saving.

So, yeah, I think Striker currently has a better thematic through line than any other villain in the series and I'm interested in seeing where they take him next. That being said, I feel Crim could be just as great and will probably make a similar post for him after his third episode.

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Interesting how if I said "Crimson killing his wife is abusive parenting because it traumatized Moxxie", no one would object. But "Stella hiring an assassin on Stolas is abusive parenting because it would traumatize Via" is a controversial statement

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Italian drama 🥀

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I went back to this piece for some revisions because it was bugging me. However I am unsure if I made it better or worse.....

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Hellaverse as random DMs I sent to @number1jaymerrickhater (part 1)

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Don't think anyone's mentioned it but isn't that Alessio on the roof???