#helios spoilers

[heliosrisingheroesimagines]

MY BELOVED COMPLETE TEAM 💕

[fagueroth-faeth]

and what if i cry?? what then?

RICK PERRY THE GENIUS YOU ARE

[halcyon-autumn]

If I had a nickel for every time a cleric of Helio died, met Helio, and then starting worshipping a dead deity instead I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot but it's hilarious that it's happened twice

[glitteringobliteration]

i simply NEED for buddy dawn to come back having met helio and seen that kristen was right about him.

thinking a lot about ylfa snorgelsson’s “i met death and death wanted me to live”

vs kristen applebees’ “why is there so much suffering in the world?” being met with “catch ya later” from helio.

helio doesn’t give a fuck who lives or dies, not even his chosen one. why would he give a fuck about buddy?

i can’t help but pity him. and i can’t help but want the best for him once he returns.

[gotstabbedbyapen]

Why Apollo actually didn't have beef with Odysseus (spoiler for the Wisdom Saga)

Heads up, fellas: The rambling below contains spoiler for Epic the Wisdom Saga!

As we may know, in God Games, Athena needed to convince half of the Olympian council to approve Odysseus' release from Calypso's island. Apollo is the first god Athena encountered and the easiest for her to convince.

Now, why is that? Why does Apollo's beef with Odysseus seem way too easy to rebuke? He barely has any connection with the Sirens aside from the catchy songs, so why did he use them to "accuse" Odysseus (heavy on the quote-unquote because he barely even tried) and not the sacking of Troy, the murder of Astyanax, or the violation of the cows?

Here's my theory: Apollo has no real grudges against Odysseus. Apollo has every reason to be mad with the mentioned instances, but he is also the god of reason and rationality and knows there is no point in being angry.

First, as far as I know, Odysseus had not directly offended Apollo in the Trojan War or during his journey home. Apollo won't just harm anyone, he'd only take retribution against those who disrespected him greatly.

Second, the City of Troy had always been destined to fall so if it wasn't for Odysseus' wooden horse, someone else would have caused its demise. Apollo can't fault Odysseus for being part of the city's inevitable destiny.

Third, Apollo should be mad at Odysseus for killing an infant because he's the protector of the young, right? Well, in The Horse and The Infant, it was Zeus who told Odysseus that Astyanax was prophesied to take revenge on the Greek kings when he grew up, and he had to kill the infant to prevent that. Apollo is not one to go against his father's decree, so he wouldn't be mad at Odysseus for following suit.

(And if you look from a mythological standpoint, if Astyanax actually grew up to cause destruction to the Trojan War survivors, imagine how many sons and daughters of the Greek kings would suffer because the prophesied one was spared.)

Finally, why was he not mad with the cow thing??? Simple!

The cows were not even Apollo's, but Helios'. Apollo already gave his cows to Hermes in exchange for the lyre. So when Odysseus' crew killed the cows, they offended Helios, not Apollo. Of course, you could say Apollo should be mad on Helios' behalf, but that'll take us to point 2...

The crew killed the cows while Odysseus begged them to not. Odysseus didn't commit the crime or enable it, so he was in the clear. And lastly...

Odysseus' crew were already punished by death and Odysseus was left drifting in the sea and stuck on Calypso's island for seven years to the point of driven insane, so whatever "association" he could possibly have with the violation of the cows should be paid enough.

All that aside, Apollo has little to no beef with Odysseus and only makes up a flimsy "reason" to be mad out of obligation. He didn't care about bringing justice to Athena's favorite mortal, he probably only wanted to have fun in the family drama because hey, how often do you get to see your oldest sister asking for a favor from your King-god father?

[feelingtheaster99]

Oh my gosh Beardsley that was SO SMART to figure out the people whose blood crystallizes are the people who TURN DOWN being brought back to worship Ankarna god DAMN

[eaglerayys]

I just realized that Buddy dying means he’ll get to meet Helio like Kristen did in freshman year. The start his disillusionment arc perchance?

[bounded-accuracy]

The funniest thing about the Buddy scene is knowing that him talking to the Applebees would have actually made things worse.

His art reads as Mormon, the Applebees read as mainline evangelical. Evangelicals view Mormons as a non-Christian cult. So while Buddy is technically in the same broad Helioic religion, the Applebees would think he’s also going to hell.

[larsnaldo]

it's low-key funny to me that cassandra — the god that has to pray to her followers — looks the same as past kristen while kristen's buff junior year design is a lot like frat boy helio

[sapphicmuppet]

Kristen truly is so strong for not completely losing it on her parents when they told her “maybe helio wouldn't have let that happen". The absolute RAGE that flooded me at them saying that. Kristen, Helios chosen, who died on the first day of school and he didn’t help her. Kristen, who was almost sacrificed by Helio cultists who wanted to kill her in his name. Kristen telling Mac and Donna about the hellmouth and them REFUSING to listen to her, Kristen TRYING TO TALK TO THEM and MAC KICKING HER OUT OF THEIR HOUSE. Saying it seemed like she had a new family and then she should stay with them. Oh. My god. I will never ever shut up about the hellmouth plot Mac and Donna Applebees every second you are not running I am getting CLOSER

[voxmilia]

The difference between helio and logran soulforger kills me.

helio's chosen asks him an existential question and he waves her away

one of logran's clerics, not even his chosen just ONE of his clerics, calls him out for his silence and he looks her dead in the eye and says "I'm sorry, you deserve to be spoken to."

when helio's chosen strays from the path to forge one of her own, helio himself doesn't even seek her out - it's sol and galicaea who have to talk to kristen. helio himself never makes amends for his part in his chosen turning from his light on his own, without prompting from his father and aunt.

ostentatia, by contrast, hears that sincere apology and is able to see how hard her god is working. That his silence is not uncaring, his silence is caring TOO much about too many things. And she takes up a pair of tongs and forges at his side. And her devotion is rewarded - she's given near prophethood, a miraculous divine intervention, she saves countless jobs including her father's.

Because she was willing to raise her concerns and logran was willing to listen.

[delirisse]

Awkward

[theology101]

Season 4, we’re saving Helio from his abusive Dad and he gets to live with his cool Lesbian Aunts (and also that aunt who murdered the other aunt but its okay now)

[halcyon-autumn]

Huge L for Helio this episode I gotta say. Something about meeting that guy makes people want to go worship a dead lesbian

[pikos-den]

reblog and tag/say/reply what you guys named this dude

[practicalbracer]

this reveal about the rat grinders is horrific. can you imagine? you can either be trapped in your own body unable to pass on or partially offer control of yourself to an angry hostile god.

for kipperlily, already angry and bloodthirsty, this worked out well.

for ivy, oisin, ruben, and mary ann, they’d rather live than die.

but lucy choose to be trapped. she would not abandon her goddess no matter how hard kipperlily tried to get her to.

and now buddy. god, he just shatters my heart. not only did he have no support from his party, but kipperlily kills him. did he even get a chance to talk to helio? either way:

he speaks to helio. and he’s insufferable. he is not the god he thought he was.

he doesn’t speak to helio. but helio did not save him, he was killed. allowed to be killed.

and either way, he abandons him for the first god who approaches him that will firstly bring him back and secondly actually offer him strength and protect him.

what a false idol helio is, for letting him die. what a mistake he made.