#hbo max velma

[toonsforkicks22]

The GOAT and the b*tch

[clown-cult]

“Scooby himself is what made the show kid friendly! If he’s there, our modern edgy interpretation won’t be for adults! Adults would never sit down and watch an adult cartoon with a talking dog!”

Bitch…

[lemon-box]

I don’t know if this post was made already but theres a framed picture of Mayor Nettles from Mystery Incorporated in episode 4 of Velma (yes im still watching it)

But the thing is she doesn’t even appear until season 2, so the writers either HAVE seen Mystery Inc extensively and purposefully chose to completely throw its canon out the window (but somehow wanted to keep references like these), OR the background artists are just based like that. Either way it was a nice surprise to see her :)

[smugraccoon137]

Truly love all the scooby doo fans coming out of the woodwork and pitching their own story ideas in response to Velma airing

It's just really nice to see so many new and creative ideas. The best response you can have to something like this is to take it and do better

[canaryinacoolmine]

The evil's been defeated 🎉

A follow up to my original post

[number1nothing]

The Problem with “Velma”

My issue with *Velma* is how they’ve managed to take a group of likeable mystery-solvers and a hilarious talking dog and turn them into despicable caricatures of themselves and replaced the dog with overly sexual jokes as their attempt of humor (which is even worse when you consider so many of the sexual jokes and nudity happen with minors, teens, AKA children!). It’s one thing to reimagine their race... but this reimagination lacks real connection to their main characteristics that make them Velma, Shaggy, Fred, and Daphne. 

1. Velma isn’t an underdog; Velma is a cynical bitch.

2. Fred isn’t a himbo leader; he’s a stupid privileged white boy who seems to have a toxic masculinity enough to make it difficult for him to redeem himself during the series

3. Daphne isn’t an accidental support; she’s a mean popular girl who ditched her childhood friend and started treating her like crap.

4. Shaggy is no longer a cowardly foodie with the munchies; he’s a romantic interest for the dislikable protagonist and the opposite of everything he used to implicitly be. 

5. Scooby is nowhere to be seen. 

[toastywarmth]

HBO’s Fred isn’t as bad as you think…

From the title, you’re probably confused, but let me explain.

I’ve seen a lot of people (rightfully so), criticising this new version of Fred, and saying he’s now a bad person.

But after analysing the first two episodes, I believe this Fred isn’t as antagonistic as people make him out to be. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a whiny brat, but when you actually look deeper into it, he didn’t do anything particularly wrong, and it’s the characters around him who give him crap for no reason.

Let’s start with his dynamic with Velma for example;

At first meeting, Fred does not give Velma the time of day and is pretty racist towards her, and is overall a jerk.

In the context of this one scene, Fred was not meant to be likeable, and it would make sense why Velma would dislike him enough, to accuse him of murder.

But...then we get the scene of them having a heart to heart, with Fred opening about his insecurities around his masculinity, and Velma sharing her experience with her mom and her hallucinations. It was a sweet moment between them, and Fred even remembered Velma’s name. This was the only scene in the first episode that I genuinely enjoyed, because it felt like the show was finally taking itself seriously instead of being meta, too bad they had to ruin it, and I’ll explain why in a moment.

After this scene, we get a scene of Velma changing her appearance to fit in, but it only works for a short while, before her classmates remember that she is still the main suspect in a murder case, and begin throwing trash at her. Fred immediately goes to Velma’s defence, though a bit passive aggressive, he was still one of the few people to believe that Velma didn’t do it. Plus, he’s a popular guy, why would he risk that by defending an outcast like Velma, if he didn’t have a smidge of belief in her.

And after both the heart to heart and him saving her from being hit by a paper cutter, Velma still had the audacity to insist that Fred murdered Brenda, even though it fundamentally makes no sense.

The body was found in Velma’s locker, the second body was found in her recycling bin. Surely, if she rubbed together two of her shrivelled, dulled, flea-sized braincells together, she would assume that the person who murdered those girls, is trying to frame her. So why would she believe that Fred (one of the few people who believes that she didn’t do it and openly defended her) be a part of the murder.

“Oh! Because he’s a rich white guy with a small dick—” I will roast you in a chicken rotisserie and feed you to my cat!

Velma is supposed to be the clever detective, yet she is clouded by her own biases, and doesn’t see the clear answers in front of her face. And the worst part is, when she did end up defending Fred, she does it by humiliating him in front of an entire courtroom.

Claiming that he couldn’t possibly cut those girls’ brains out, when he couldn’t even cut his own food, but completely forgetting that in the first episode, he threw a paper cutter with extreme precision and in doing so casually slicing off a student’s leg (yes, this is a real thing that happens the show, no it is not addressed).

Also, I hate how Velma joins in on dogpiling Fred on his body issues, even though she is aware that he struggles with his masculinity. It comes off as really mean, when Fred poured his heart out to Velma, and in return, Velma just judged him like everyone else.

The issues I stated above could’ve been fixed immediately, if they just removed the scene of their heart to heart, and the scene of Fred defending Velma. Velma would still have a reason to suspect Fred of murder, but won’t come off as too ridiculous.

Now that Velma is done, time to move on to Daphne, and her dynamic with Fred.

In their first scene together, it’s framed as Fred being a bad boyfriend. Don’t get me wrong, I am not saying Fred is a good boyfriend, he did planned for Brenda to be his Plan B, if things didn’t go as planned with Daphne. But Daphne is not any better, when it comes to their relationship;

For one, she sexually pressures Fred. Touching him inappropriately, then gets mad at him when he says no. And then proceeds to gossip about him behind his back, all because he doesn’t want to have sex with her.

This is played up for jokes, or seen as Daphne being justified. When in reality, this was wrong of Daphne, she shouldn’t get mad at Fred for not having sex with her, then betray his trust, by talking behind his back to Velma, a person Fred doesn’t even know personally. And the reason this pisses me off so much, because I know this would be taken more seriously if the gender roles were reversed.

Here’s a little Tumblr wisdom; it doesn’t matter if you are a boy or girl or whatever, if your significant other is pressuring you into doing sexual activities, despite your protests, they do not care for you as a person, but more as something to benefit from.

You don’t need a reason to not want to have sex, even with the person you are dating.

This isn’t the only thing that Daphne does to Fred. She doesn’t even come to his defence when he accused of murder. Their relationship is implied to be one out of convenience rather than love, but still, shouldn’t Daphne be at least concerned that her boyfriend (whom she probably known for a while) could most likely end up in jail?

Not to mention, her possibly cheating on Fred with Velma. I say possibly, because I don’t know if it was stated or implied that her and Fred broke up, and I do not have the willpower to rewatch the episodes.

So recap; Fred is a bad boyfriend, but Daphne is an even worse girlfriend. Daphne and Velma are both mega-bitches, and deserve each other.

Now for the writers themselves, who think that having a 15 year old boy being constantly sexually harassed is considered ‘comedy’.

I can forgive something like Family Guy for doing these kinds of disgusting jokes, because they are at least a original property. Fred Jones is a character that people grew up with for years, and they decided to show him in this light, without even having the decency to age him up.

We get constant scenes of random ass adults making uncomfortable jokes about this minor’s dong. We get a scene of a bunch of people photographing this HIGHSCHOOLER in a open robe, and Fred’s father is more concerned about people finding out about his penis size, rather than the fact that these adults are taking pictures of a naked minor. Everyone in this show should be in freaking arrested!

And it’s made worse, it’s made so much worse, when you see the writers of this show are purposely making Fred as infantilised as possible.

Not only do they sexualise/make sexual jokes towards a highschooler, but they did it to a highschooler who has the mannerisms of a toddler. I don’t care if it’s a joke, I am GOING to give the writers the side-eye for this.

Also, side tangent, but making Fred this clueless child-like fool, is a can of worms of itself. For those who don’t know, Fred Jones was autism-coded by the fandom for a while, and was confirmed to be canonically autistic in Mystery Incorporated. I don’t need to explain why it’s bad to make an autistic-corded character into a clueless blubbering man-child. Of course, I know that the showrunners didn’t intend to make an incredibly ableist portrayal of Fred, but that doesn’t make it better. This is why you should ALWAYS do research on the source material before making a reboot, or else you end up with shit like this, and erase actual good representation. I know I sound overly passionate about this, but as a person on the spectrum who felt seen by Fred in Mystery Incorporated, this felt like a huge betrayal for me.

In conclusion to this post, this new version of Fred is annoying, but he deserves more of your sympathy than Velma.

Velma backstabbed him, even though he defended her.

His girlfriend sexually pressures him, and then didn’t have the gull to defend him when he’s committed of murder, and then fucks off to make out with the girl who tried to bash her head in with a crowbar in the earlier episode.

Everyone is constantly sexually harassing and body-shaming him, most of which are freaking adults.

That’s the end of my post, thank you for reading.

[gelu-the-babosa-multiversal]

Me after watching HBI MAX Velma with a friend that has HBO MAX...

I want my best friends gang that fights old guys with goofy costumes back!!!

These are just base redesigns so they might change a little.

[virtuouswhitehatorganization]

Miss Heed And Mindy Kaling’s Velma Have So Much In Common

* They are stuck up and self-centered assholes who care only about their own needs even at the expense of others. 

* They use and control people to fulfil their selfish desires and are unapologetic about it. 

* They are all take and no give. They expect everyone to do things for them but never do anything in return. 

* They use people’s emotions to get what they want. They have tons of feelings for different people and can often be divisive about how they feel about those people, especially if they want all of them. 

* They take credit over other people’s work. 

* They think anything they do is good despite evidence to the contrary. 

* They seek validation through other people and hate when they are not constantly showered with praise. 

* They are both bad friends who treat their so-called friends poorly and expect them to drop everything for them or give them undivided attention. 

* They both throw tantrums when they don’t get their way. 

* They blame others for their faults and deny they have any. 

* Has almost everyone hating her because of her poor personality. 

Seriously, when you think about it I think they both would be good friends, although I do think Heed would feel uncomfortable around Velma because she reminds her of her unpopular days in high school while Velma would think she’s a stuck up popular girl all grown up. I would give it five minutes before they both act like total bitches to one another. 

[mello-t-befan]

The video accompanying this project (turn the english subtitles ON ^^)

Since its first airings in 1969, the "Scooby-Doo" formula has known many MANY versions, each with its own peculiarities. The most recent up to this date is HBO Max "Velma". And since it's terrible on too many levels, I decided to restart on a good basis inspired by the writing of 2011 "Mystery Incorporated".

If I had to rewrite "Mystery Incorporated", I'd keep the autistic-codified Fred that was presented. He would still have hyper-fixation on traps, but would be a little more able to understand people's feelings and take them more into account. Being the eldest after Shaggy, he feels most responsible for the gang and tends to want to take care of them. In other words, I picture him as a mother hen reminding his friends to buckle up before they get to this week's investigation.

If I had to rewrite "Mystery Incorporated", I'd let Daphne stay the sweet rich girl who truly loves her trap-obsessed Fred that she was in the series. As the more money-savvy of the gang, she'd have the position of treasurer in charge of all their finances; be it equipement for Fred/Velma, the Mystery Machine's maintenance or where they'll eat and sleep tonight. She'd also have a running-gag with her "Handbag of Holding", with the rest of the cast asking how she manages to fit so much in such a small bag. In addition, she'd have some famous/rich contacts who help the gang in their own way. After all, even if you know people, you might as well use them to help your friends !

If I had to rewrite "Mystery Incorporated", firstly I wouldn't let her actress using Velma as a frustration-ending self-insert. Secondly, I wouldn't force Shaggy into a relationship with her while neither of them is clearly emotionally mature enough for it. Thirdly, I would make her the youngest of the gang, like 2-3 years less than Daphne. She's considered a child prodigy and takes classes with them between 2 cases. As a result, the group tends to coddle her a little too much to her liking. She would want to prove her worth despite her young age and would have the bad habit of trying to do too much in her searches and experiments. She'll eventually grow up and understand that her youth doesn't define her future/identity/value.

In a french video about "Mystery Incorporated", the animators analyzed Shaggy and Scooby as twins who grew up in a very fusional relationship, making Shaggy not emotionally ready to be in a relationship and Scooby a bit possessive to let it happen. Therefore, they have to learn to leave each other space while maintaining their bond. I'd like to keep this dynamic while making them a little more street-savvy than the others. With their knowledge of every food places in Crystal Cove, they would know all the good shortcuts for the Mystery Machine and would know all the gossips widespread in town by street weirdos and animals. And of course, they would still be the scaredy cats baits you can buy with food but would still help catching the bad guys. Chickens who act in spite of fear are always a winning recipe, so why change ?

[bifairywife]

in light of recent events and continuous disrespect of my fave childhood shows being shoved to horrible reboots:

[greatereremily]

Calling it now, Diya is the serial killer

[lemon-box]

What if they bring back scrappy doo…. Oh god they killed scooby and they’re gonna replace him with scrappy he’s defrosting I can feel it…

[sketchyface]

I just wanted to tell you all that HBOs Velma is a character on the villain wiki

[deaddee-anime-brownfanlady]

THE VELMA SHOW: A Hate train that's becoming too much.

This Video has seriously got to be one of the top most best sensible and just pure logically perspective on how and why this entire social media massive hate-feast on Velma is getting to be some real damn insanity. Like for real, I don't care for or like Velma whatsoever. But jeez some people are acting like this show is Satan incarcerated.

Also on how the cartoon community is regressing backwards due to this Velma series. Seriously this vid deserves to be seen because it's has some very good points on this craziness going on with this Scooby-Doo iteration.

[number1nothing]