#gwuncan slander

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Gwen and Duncan were never in love?

Never in love?

Them?? (Quality sucks, I know. This is what happens when YouTube removes the show 😒)

Are we talking about the same people who risked their reputation on LIVE TV with their large audience and the cast to be together?

Are we talking about the same people who could confide in each other and be vulnerable?

Are we talking about the same people who could bring the best out of each other?

Is that not love?

Wow, so friendly! Definitely a look you would give someone who is just a friend, right?

This too, right? Totally not in love.

Also, another thing, they did not like each other for their aesthetics. They might've started interacting due to being the most similar from the cast but that's all. That does not make a person start a liking.

They hugged each other because they have they're similar, right?

Wrong. In fact, they are not similar. (Gwen's a goth and Duncan's a punk and they do not look similar either because they are not siblings) They have similar interests and their colour scheme is slightly similar. But that's it. They don't have everything in common because they are simply not the same person and they didn't only interact because they have similar aesthetics.

Another argument I have to discuss is the cheating scandal.

Yes, they shouldn't have cheated but it is TOTAL DRAMA. Duncan and Courtney kissing on the bus was solely due to the reason to make Duncan cheat. If the scandal didn't happen, the show wouldn't have gotten to its popularity it had gotten to this day. (It wouldn't completely crumble but it is a big concept on the show as it was hinted from TDA and led all the way to TDAS)

But also yes, they were toxic because cheating is wrong but as I've said in NUMEROUS POSTS, that isn't the only part of their relationship. In fact, when it was just Gwen and Duncan-and not Gwen and Duncan + the show, Courtney, and Trent-they were pretty good. Obviously during that time, they were just friends but they did work. Especially due to the fact that they worked 2 (?) years after TDWT. Obviously, they wouldn't have stayed together if all they thought about was Courtney.

Eugh.

If they didn't love each other, why were they worrying over the other's elimination? (You don't see friends worrying over it)

If they didn't love each other, why were they loyal to the other? (I know Gwen said she liked Alejandro's eyes but that's not cheating though and Duncan stayed loyal when Heather tried to flirt with him)

If they didn't love each other, why would they actually try to understand each other on a deeper level and be there to comfort the other? (They don't just bond over movies, alright?)

"Every time I ran away from the cops, I thought of you."

"And Duncan... he missed... us."

"'But I'm so glad you're here to mock me about it.' 'Me too.'"

TDAS

The worst season ever but that is probably the best season for anti-Gwuncans because they have a reason to hate.

"Duncan only thought about Courtney!" Oh please, you're just sad that your stupid ship was over.

If he really wanted Courtney, he would do what he did in season 1. Why didn't he do that? Please answer the question because he wasn't a loyal person... To Courtney. And yes, I've stated that he was loyal because, he was to the right person. So maybe that's why he didn't try and win Courtney over, right? Oh wait, Gwen and Duncan broke up. Why isn't he trying to win her over now? He was available and I'm sure he wouldn't mind stealing Courtney away from Scott. But did he do that? No.

That is because he did not have feelings for her.

Did you try to think he just wanted attention? Insecure maybe?

Although Courtney was involved, this had nothing to do with underlying feelings for his ex because there weren't any feelings. He just wanted attention because Gwen wasn't giving any.

I read this really good post explaining Duncan and Courtney in an actual psychological perspective. They were describing the issues and explaining the situation and it was really good. If i ever find it again, I'll post it here.

I don't know how to explain this into depth but people do tend to be hung upon trauma. He'd been abused physically, verbally in numerous occasions, felt like nothing, used for money in more than one occasion, abandoned, almost cheated on, and it's not healthy. He also did bad things to Courtney but that was cheating and verbal abuse. He'd also mentioned girl would usually hit him and since he was in a time where he needed attention, he'd been fixated that Courtney would give it to him. She had given before but like he wants to go back to that toxic environment. When he was given attention by Gwen, he didn't feel like it but when he wasn't, I guess it made him feel worthless. That wasn't Gwen's fault though. This paragraph sounds stupid but it's hard to explain in depth.

Also, it seemed like Duncan still liked Gwen as during Sierra's elimination in TDAS, he was asking to make more Gwuncan videos.

This is not Gwen slander because she probably felt ever-so drained by her boyfriend-kisser status, trying to make amends with Courtney, and overall try getting everyone off her back. And thus, forming guilt.

And that guilt was stopping her from having a good time with her boyfriend on the show.

Because on the show, she was definitely thinking about all this stuff.

Actually, when she wasn't thinking about her boyfriend-kisser/Courtney drama, she was quite happy. Like when Duncan was hit with a bobytrap when he was going over to congratulate her or when she was finally forgiven. Because she cleared up her conscious.

But like, Gwen was definitely irritated by everything so when Duncan was doing gestures like blowing a kiss or something, she ignored it.

Their development.

It took them 3 SEASONS to get together. Is that not enough development? Do you need them to delay it by a couple more years or something? 10 years?

But there is also their development from season 1-2. There don't have to interact only on camera. Their friendship could've expanded away from the show. I mean, there was the stargazing scene which was probably the starting point of their little crushes so there would've probably expanded after season 1.

Maybe I am delving too deep as it is a cartoon show but like people are saying they didn't develop properly.

If they didn't develop properly, they wouldn't have been open to the other. And if you're wondering how they were open, I'll list 2 from the top of my head. -Relationships (Gwen confides Duncan about Trent [Canon] and he did to her. [The picture of Courtney under his pillow]) -Family (Gwen told Duncan her brother's guitar. Why would she say that? Because she trusts him [Not about the guitar. Like deeper conversations] and they probably talk about their family.) -Dreams (Duncan knew Gwen's dream car. Maybe they talk about the future and what they want to become and what they want to do with life) -Crimes (They confessed their sins back in TDI and would've spoken about it as Gwen seemed curious about Duncan's crime record from the horror episode) -There is probably more but I can't remember as I haven't watched the show in a while (A couple of months)

You don't talk about these stuff with someone who has similar aesthetics to you. You talk about it with people you trust. They trust each other.

Lack of chemistry.

I disagree because I do believe they have chemistry. Not every relationship's chemistry is yelling at the top of their lungs and then sucking their tongue down the other's throat. It's different and simple.

And just because your prejudice against the ship, doesn't mean it's blocking everyone's perspective.

So if you do see someone who likes Gwuncan, leave them the fuck alone. Stop hating because no one cares, alright? Thank you.

If they're happy with the relationship, it works.

If they're comfortable around each other, it works.

If it's healthy (The good outweigh the bad), it works.

Gwen and Duncan do have a healthy relationship but are surrounded in drama. If they were not, people would like them. But because poor (Not.) Courtney got hurt, everyone hates them. Aw, almost sounds like she got her karma. :)

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I know I've stated a lot of these before and probably sound like a broken recording player or whatever, but I need to restate them because anti-Gwuncan don't even try to explain the problem and just say they're toxic because of the cheating.

I'm not saying Duncney, Gwourtney and Gwent are bad (Actually, I am but if you don't annoy me, I won't say it to you), but like those who slander Gwuncan need to stfu. I'm only making these types of post to compensate for the amount of hate my ship received. (Even though those ships deserved more)

If I see more, my future post is going to be pointing out every flaw in those ships and if you don't that, don't promote Gwuncan hate.

On another note, don't slander or be like 'I like them better as friends.' on a page where the person supports the ship. Like, it gets annoying and they probably might say 'Oh, I respect your opinion.', but that's so they don't start fights because god, you guys are aggressive and extremely rude. (No evidence either)

Good day.

[alphaclxwn]

feeling a lil silly, idk, might post more tboy court later

[transbian-amityisreal]

the gwuncan tag on a03 is hell because half of it is just duncney with post break up gwuncan / gwuncan slander. if i WANTED duncney (i never will) i would SEARCH for duncney

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Alright, I'm just going to say this but you need proof. If you're going to say that Duncan never treated Gwen with kindness, then show it.

I could say that too, right?

Trent is abusive. When has he been abusive? Never. The same thing goes for Duncan because he surely did respect her.

Now, let me begin.

'From what I noticed and what was revealed from Fresh TV's social media, Duncan did NOT truly love Gwen for who she was at all.'

Could you elaborate? This seems more like opinions and assumptions.

If Duncan didn't love Gwen, he wouldn't have bothered to be involved in the whole love triangle shit. Like the situation wasn't in his or Gwen's favour and he could've chosen to easier way out which Gwen had even offered him: to go back with Courtney. Did he do that? No. He chose to go through the hate together, with Gwen.

You don't need to say you love someone to love someone. It has to come at the right time but it is shown.

If he didn't love her, he wouldn't worry/care over her however, he did.

Check it out and look at the specific scene I've mentioned.

-He was the first to be worried about Gwen's safety in the horror episode. -In the episode Trent cheated on Gwen, he seemed angry. He did the same thing two seasons later. He flirted with Heather in the same season when he was dating Courtney. -In the camp castaways episode. When Gwen was on the bird with him, he seemed more worried about her. -He was going to get the egg for Gwen -How he told Gwen stuff like the picture of Courtney under his pillow. He doesn't go around to tell that sort of stuff, right? -The guy was steadying her as she was about to fall. You do that to someone you don't care about, am I right? -Trying to console her when she was ranting about Trent and blaming herself for Trent's issues. -Looked worried when he saw Gwen sneeze in the episode she broke up with Trent and also cheering her on. -In the episode she was eliminated in TDA, he wouldn't have defended her from Heather, supporting Gwen's excuse, look worried during the elimination ceremony, try to give himself up for elimination, or stare at her lovingly because he doesn't love her. -The stargazing scene. The way that man looked at her was pure love. -When he was listing facts about her. If he didn't care, he could've just said Idk and faced the consequences. -In the intro he was worried as she was sinking. -Wanting to join her climb over the pyramid. -The way he was staring at her in the I See London episode, "Every time I ran from the cops, I thought of you." Really? That isn't love to you? -How awkward bro got in the Greece episode. He was being vulnerable. You don't see much like that from him because he normally hides it but you see it when he's with Gwen. -Bro the whole Area 51 episode, the big smile, awkwardness, letting her go first, LEG POP, the way he stared at her, the nickname (Pasty is original), him and Gwen wishing each other luck to try not get eliminated. -Not obliging to Heather's flirting, supporting his gf, sad when he realised she might be eliminated. -Still avoiding Heather's flirting (if he didn't love Gwen, he would've allowed Heather's flirting. He did so when he dated Courtney), the carving of Gwen on the chair. -"Ah, Gwen, I'll see you soon!" He says as he's eliminated. -The only one supporting her who's trying to comfort her as everyone is calling her a villain, worried when there was sharks in front of her. -When she got a piece, he's there supporting her and congratulating her. -Saving her from a leech, cheek kiss before he leaves. -Saying he misses her, blowing air kisses, supporting her and encouraging her to continue and she even barfed on him but he never got mad, going up to her to help her. -Asking Sierra to make more Gwuncan videos.

If the show was forced to make Gwuncan and they really despise the ship and made Duncan not love Gwen, why is there so many times where he has shown his love?

I suggest watching the show and the TikTok account because they have very valid points and edits (they're mine).

So now, if you go making stuff up, show proof. That is love.

Drew Nelson (Duncan's voice actor) even said that Duncan only liked Gwen for her similar aesthetics and not for her deep or true attributes.

He did not say that. In fact, Drew Nelson admitted he liked Gwuncan more than Duncney because Courtney was too high maintenance and he likes someone who's chill and like him. You know, someone he feels comfortable around and doesn't feel the need to do so much to impress or satisfy them.

No one is going to be all lovey and sappy around someone who just had same aesthetics. That's stupid and something no one does except maybe the way the ship looks like in your imagination and all the other annoying haters.

In the canon series Duncan purposely abused Trent and said things to Gwen about him that were completely false then cheated on Courtney with her. He also lied to Gwen about Courtney while still having feelings for Courtney.

When did he do that? I don't even remember the time Trent and Duncan ever spoke. Moreover, when did he say that everything about him and Gwen is completely false.

Duncan cheated which is wrong, but he probably cheated because there was no way out of the relationship. His personality, things he likes, looks, the way he spoke was on a list to improve, he was not good enough as the person he was. He would only be a suitable boyfriend if he'd followed the list. He was her personal doll. There could be more that happened. Think about what could happen if he actually listened to Courtney and followed the list. The once happy, and tough guy turned into the male version of Courtney out of fear and hoping to be appreciated. In hopes to make his and her relationship stronger, he's changing himself.

But if you hate on Duncan for cheating, why don't you hate on Courtney? She was about to kiss Justin in front of Duncan in the princess episode in TDA. Why don't you talk about that?

How do you know he still had feelings for Courtney? There is more than one solution.

Now, you're saying he never showed those attributes but I can't be bothered listing it all out so the big list shows, kindness, empathy, loyalty.

Acceptance: They accepted each other, duh. If they didn't, they wouldn't have liked each other. But they did.

Now Gwent:

-Trent made Gwen feel uncomfortable. (Not respectful) -Their communication sucked. (No honesty) -Trent was throwing challenges for her (That's because he thought Gwen wasn't capable of winning on her own or else why would he do that). (No accepting she was capable) -Calling Lindsays beautiful in spite of Gwen. (Not kind) -Kissed back and trusted Gwen's biggest enemy. (No loyalty) -Gwen told Trent's team to vote him off. (No loyalty) -Trent left her buried alive. A little reasonable because he had his own fears. -In the aftermath, Trent had practically turned everyone against Gwen and when she asked for Trent's support, he just looked at her weird. (No empathy) -The guy had some serious issues and like didn't seem stable in season two. (Honesty) -He had some insecurities of Gwen being with a guy which isn't him which caused jealousy too. (Wasn't accepting she had other friends)

I don't really pay attention to Gwent because it's eh but like if I did, I probably would find way more.

So, uh, you're also wrong because I'm sure kissing back to your girlfriend's enemy, making her feel uncomfortable, insecure and jealous when your girlfriend isn't with you isn't something good.

Does those sound like attributes of love to you?

The executives at Teletoon and Cartoon Network might ship Gwuncan, but they gave an extremely horrible and wrong example of romantic relationships. They portrayed deception, manipulation, infidelity, and contempt instead of real romance with the toxic love triangle.

It is called Total DRAMA. The cheating was meant to happen, alright? Obviously there was betrayal but Gwen and Duncan didn't betray, manipulate, infidelity the other. The love triangle was toxic and Gwuncan was toxic but it isn't as toxic compared to other ships.

Gwen and Duncney.

Facts and opinions are different; and I'm glad I know the differences.

Yes, and facts come with proof. Where's yours?

Networks triggered shipping wars by forcing so many unwanted alterations to Total Drama and I'm still wondering why they are continuing to do this.

It is a show for DRAMA. Please think. Not everything is meant to be rainbows and sunshine. That's not how life is and that is also why they decided to not make Duncney and Gwent endgame. Maybe it's entertaining but there are issues to the ship.

Since I can't respond to your comment, I'll respond here, @gothikaxenon .

Elaborate because I've got no clue what you're talking about. I've listed things which has happened on the show and if you want more proof I'll add quotes and screenshots. That is not jumping to conclusions; it's called analysing and inferring.

I'm pretty sure you don't know the truth because you've used the same argument for years.

Since you're not willing to turn your comments on, I'll respond here. @gothikaxenon

Real love does have flaws but if you're feeling uncomfortable in your relationship, that it not real love. If you're insecure about your relationship, that's not real love. If you can't even communicate properly with your partner, that's not real love. If you're jealous and trying to make your partner jealous, that's not real love. If you think your partner is incapable, that's not real love.

Heck, if you feel insecure about yourself, you shouldn't be in a relationship.

Why do you need Fresh TV to determine everything for you? You've been in this fandom for a decade and debating without proof. I'm not making assumptions because I come with proof. In fact, you're making assumptions and I bet you made another account for Fresh TV and claim it is actually them. That is lame and pathetic because your only excuse to my arguments is that it's assumptions.

It says without proof.

And you're not even specifying where I'm making assumptions.

@gothikaxenon

Uhm, I'm not making assumptions about you. You use the same reasons: psychology, Duncan never showed respect, and Fresh TV. Do you ever back your reasonings up? No you don't.

This thing you posted is not confirmed. The person said I think. They didn't say I know. There's a difference. So, it is not confirmed, nor is it valid evidence. Also, that's the only evidence you've posted.

Oh, but Tom likes Duncney more and was forced to break them up. What is that going to do? Make us like Duncney? Please tell me what that's going to do because Drew Nelson (Duncan's VA) preferred Gwuncan. So did Chris's Va.

Please use proof next time and if you're trying to fight back, be more specific. Thank you.

Real Facts about the Toxic Love Triangle in Total Drama

I hate it when some Total Drama fans claim their opinions and assumptions about the series are "facts" even though they are NOT! Especially when it comes to the toxic love triangle between Duncan, Courtney, and Gwen.

About the toxic love triangle, it was actually confirmed by Fresh TV's social media that network executives forced the Duncney (Duncan x Courtney) and Gwent (Gwen x Trent) breakups plus the idea to make Gwuncan (Gwen x Duncan) canon even though Tom McGillis was against the networks' ideas.

Tom McGillis revealed that he prefers Duncney over Gwuncan.

From what I noticed and what was revealed from Fresh TV's social media, Duncan did NOT truly love Gwen for who she was at all.

Drew Nelson (Duncan's voice actor) even said that Duncan only liked Gwen for her similar aesthetics and not for her deep or true attributes.

In the canon series Duncan purposely abused Trent and said things to Gwen about him that were completely false then cheated on Courtney with her. He also lied to Gwen about Courtney while still having feelings for Courtney.

Duncan never treated Gwen with kindness, honesty, respect, loyalty, empathy, acceptance, or any other attributes of true love.

Trent on the other hand did display many attributes of true love to Gwen, but networks ruined Gwent's relationship for very stupid and unnecessary reasons. Even Fresh TV's staff confirmed that Trent truly loved Gwen and had good chemistry together.

The executives at Teletoon and Cartoon Network might ship Gwuncan, but they gave an extremely horrible and wrong example of romantic relationships. They portrayed deception, manipulation, infidelity, and contempt instead of real romance with the toxic love triangle.

My statement about the toxic love triangle's portrayal by networks is a valid theory but it hasn't all yet been confirmed. The other parts would be considered facts from behind the scenes info.

Facts and opinions are different; and I'm glad I know the differences.

Networks triggered shipping wars by forcing so many unwanted alterations to Total Drama and I'm still wondering why they are continuing to do this.

[real-total-drama-takes]

dude my ex is on here spreading lies that I’m breaking up with her over gwuncan and that literally isn’t true wtf. No I’m breaking up with you because you actively watch total drama instead of talking with me and now I made a fucking tumblr account jusy to send this on anon because you keep spreading lies about me Sarina. I’m so tired of being ignored because you’re too busy watching total drama island and duncney compilations. And no I do not ship Duncan and Gwen, and I only mentioned Courtney was annoying once. I last watched the show when I was 8 and that’s all I remember about her why take it so seriously??? And about the baby Sarina, why the hell are you getting an abortion now after we already decorated the apartment room for the baby and I already bought all that shit for it!!! Sarina I’m not mad at you because you ship duncney or something I’m mad ay you because you refuse to communicate and talk to me because you’re busy sending hot takes to this blog or whatever. So fine get the abortion, because I’m not paying for it and you’ve already wasted all your money on baby supplies. And I was so happy to raise a family with you too, and you slander me to strangers on the internet? FUCK YOU.

[vitiligoduncan]

reposting my favorite gwuncan drawing that I ever made because ive been posting too much duncney & gwourtney slander and we need some hashtag positivity. LOOK AT THEM

[straighttxhell]

Just gonna say that, notice how Duncan and Gwen's first kiss was in an *airplane bathroom*... that's very fitting for 2 cheating scums whose relationship was doomed from the start

[xwhatababex]

im not just a gw*nc*n hater, im the gw*nc*n hater. bow down.

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DAILY REMINDER TO THE PPL WHO HATE GWUNCAN THAT GWUNCAN WAS THE ONLY SHIP WHERE NEITHER OF THE PARTNERS CHEATED/FLIRTED WITH OTHER PPL

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Mod Courtney, how do you think the actual Courtney would moderate this blog?

She would delete any asks that criticized her and keep reblogging takes about gwen/Duncan/gwuncan slander

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We love a good cinematic parallel 😍