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*drops this and vanishes back into the abyss*
#hhhhhhhhr i mis them#stayed up late to finish this#it's not difficult to do these but god does it take hours to find the right panels#hi guuuuys do u still love me#owari no seraph#seraph of the end#shinya hiiragi#guren ichinose#kureto hiiragi#mikaela hyakuya#yuuichirou hyakuya#norito goshi#guren squad#ashera tepes#withdrawal is hitting so hard i'm starting to miss mahiru's face#help me.#textpost stizzle
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Hi !! I got a new idea (what a surprise!! Right?) It's about the quiet shy reader but guys (Guren,Kureto,Crowley and Shinya) find out she is touch starved.
🥰 Thank you beforehand as always 🥰
Hello! Sure thing! I'm sorry I haven't done your requests in a while!
Guren Ichinose,Kureto Hiiragi,Crowley Eusford and Shinya Hiiragi finding out their s/o is touch starved
Guren Ichinose
-would probably brush it off like he doesn't care
-like yeah you're all that shy and he knows it too better that the shy ones are tipically touch starved
-he likes it when you beg for his attention,so unless you really want something from him,he isn't going to give in so easily
-would laugh a bit at your condition at being touch starved
-like what do you mean? the most shy person he's ever met is wanting some touching attention?
Kureto Hiiragi
-he is probably the type to make fun of you but deep inside he is kinda touch starved to
-all those meetings,those tasks,heck,all the work that needs to be done at the JIDA is very exhausting for him
-after all,he is the leader of the company so he can't accept failure especially coming from his side
-once he notices that you both are touch starved,he starts to make the first move(which he really does everytime in your relationship)
-he is kinda surprised to see that his sweet shy s/o is as touch starved as he is or even more touch starved
-he puts you in his arms,slowly but surely carressing your every body part
-loves these moments where he can be much more that the Hiiragi head
Crowley Eusford
-enjoys it almost too much
-a teasing guy and I must say VERY teasing
-would touch you in your sensitive parts just to tease you more
-you practically are a mess whenever he touches you
-even if it's just massaging your head or even kissing your sweet hands,he drives you even crazier
-will make you sit on his lap just for him to enjoy your cute all red face
-being all shy and flustered while he is touching you drives him insane too,he just loves for that look on your face and all your facial expressions
-being shy only brings him more enjoyment from what he's doing to you
-though he has his limits,if he sees that you can't take much more teasing then he will stop the teasing and 'get to work'
-you can view that 'get to work' however you want to:)
Shinya Hiiragi
-Shinya is just a sweet person in general,I can't imagine him being waaaay to teasing or anything that would annoy you
-I mean of course he could tease you for being that touch starved,but not in a Crowley way
-so don't panick,he is just very sweet
-is his precious angel carving some attention?
-cuddling time is ready,the bedsheets are all clean for a movie time
-kissing is just the start
-would kiss you all over your body and whenever he kisses a new spot he would go just like "mwah"
-he is so precious please touch him too,he's probably too shy to also say that to you
-He is really the master of affection,he knows so well how to please his darling and how to make them feel their best moments whenever he touches them
Thank you for your request so much!!
#seraph of the end#ons#owari no serafu#guren ichinose#crowley eusford owari no seraph#guren ons#ons guren#guren squad#guren ichinose x reader#guren x reader#crowleyeusford#crowley headcanons#crowley x reader#crowley eusford#crowley#kureto ons#kureto hiiragi#kureto hiragi#kureto hiragi x reader#kureto x reader#ons kureto#shinya hiragi#shinya headcanons#shinya hiiragi#shinya x reader#shinya#shinya hiiragi x reader
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#guren x shinya#gureshin#hiiragi shinya#guren ichinose#ons#owasera#owari no seraph#owari no serafu#shinya#guren squad#seraph of the end#ons guren
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no but gureshin really have some banger lines like:
"shinya and I, we were supposed to die together" (ow)
"guren, stop snoring" (????? gay.)
the conversation about kureto being a masochist (theyre adorable)
byakkomaru: its as if you are in love. shinya: no no, its just your garden variety idolisation, i completely understand why mahiru chose him over me. (🏳️🌈👀⁉️)
G: i will, like always, let myself drown in my own power to save you (this line goes soo hard honestly)
(Mahiru:) but its that weakness that shinya and i admire" (isnt it interesting how much mahiru and shinya are compared or referenced together with their feelings towards guren? always before and seperate from mentions of their squad yknow? theres always a distinction between them and anyone else)
#also i love all thr scenes where thry coordinate their attacks#also the almost unwavering trust in eachother#the way shinya (and thr squad) trust him even though theu know hes hiding a huuuge secret#we deserve more seasons man#i want to see this shit animated#we have enough material for like 2 more seasons rn anyway right?? cmon wit#gureshin#shinya hiiragi#guren ichinose#hiiragi shinya#ichinose guren#mahiru hiiragi#hiiragi mahiru#owari no seraph#seraph of the end#ace rambles
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OnS Analysis - Everything connects. The final spiderweb.
Hello everyone. On the last post I updated, I mentioned I'd talk about certain topic regarding the story along how Yuu might actually underestimate Guren and company but at the end of the day, this is merely an analysis and a theory to some extent.
P.S: Analysis are held within a neutral view
First of all, to some degree it was rather special that Yuu was the first to take independent action regarding his fate along what he wanted to achieve, which of course lead to the Shinoa squad take a path on their own as well.
But now. The first point surges
1. The proof of the spiderweb
To begin with, it is evident that we have had several schemers within the OnS Story, those schemers being: Guren, Mahiru, Rigr Stafford, Ferid Bathory and Shikama Doji.
In the LNs of the Resurrection at 19, it is stated that Shikama Doji or Sika Madu was well known for being someone who could command which empires would rise or fall, leading to having control of "Fate" itself. Of course this changed thanks to Rigr Stafford after he made the Ichinose branch split or distance from the Hiragi Family.
But let's get closer to events that affect the characters.
The fateful encounter
The very first element of this spiderweb between Guren, Yuu, Mika, Mahiru and Ferid lies in the very encounter between Yuu and Guren.
At the beginning, the story itself felt like coincidence but further events proved that the whole meeting and arrival of Guren was planned from the get go which is revealed after 109 chapters, leading to chapter 110.
In chapter 110, Mikaela managed to rewind the events that took place when Yuu and him were children, given that their memories were quite the same and his status as a demon allowed him to spot anomalies, he managed to see who were their schemers along realizing that Ferid organized everything so Yuu could leave along making Mikaela turn into a vampire.
Reunion
The next element to the massive spiderweb is the very fact that the reunion between Mikaela and Yuu once they turned 16 was planned very independent from Guren activating the Seraph within Yuu for the first time.
Of course at such time, such point could easily be misleading given that it was more aligned to human experimentation than what Guren truthfully sought.
But what was the real reason?
Correct. Guren needed Yuu to actually erase his humanity given that at the beginning of the story; among the three wielders of black demon series, only Yuu had the special drugs to trigger the Seraph trait. This eventually would lead for Yuu to lose his humanity due to the abuse he gave along finally touching the trumphet.
Within this, it also played the role that given the love Yuu felt and the signs of Yuu's bonds with the Hyakuya Sect, specially with Mikaela; this lead to the first awkward statement from Yuu.
Purpose
The next part that follows up is the fact of the purpose or reason. Guren never lied in the fact that he needed to use Yuu along Mikaela.
The very first time Guren opened on his use for Yuu given that he was the vital piece for the Resurrection was back in chapter 59.
Now, this might feel like a disconnection but actually, it connects to the fact that in chapters 113-114, Guren explained briefly the requirements for the Resurrection but of course, that wasn't the real plan at all.
The beginning of the battle against the First and the birth of Demon Mikaela.
Now, following up with this, Mikaela's transformation as a Demon wasn't just something that was within sight from the First Progenitor but also a plan from Guren and Mahiru. But what was the whole purpose for it?
Truth to be told, there is actually a purpose but just like the other points, it was made from a finite spiderweb as well.
Given that Mikaela was a test subject for carrying the Michaela Trait and the Seraph Trait, he was bound to be special and among the abilities he had, was the fact that in contrast to the other demons, Mikaela was able to see through Yuu's memories into more depth.
And this of course, eventually led to something Mahiru aimed from the get go, since in chapter 110 she suggested they needed to figure out who they were millenia ago.
Back in chapter 120, Yuu and Mikaela finally chose to discover who they were but, the question might pop: If the purpose was for them to see their memories and identities, was there a need to split them?
This connects to the next point.
2.Is Yuu in control of his own fate or is he actually dancing on Guren's palm?
Answering the question in point 1; there is actually a reason as to why Guren, Mahiru and Ferid needed the Squad to split but this is divided in two points.
1. Adquiring the remaining sinful keys.
First of all, way back from old chapters, it was known that there were seven sinful keys, but so far, we were able to see in total 4 within the manga, one being held by Yuu in chapter 139 making them 5, and lastly the mystery of the remaining two as shown in the same chapter.
(Side note: I know that in the LN of the Resurrection we see Mahiru getting one on her neck...though, as to why now there are physically 5 in the current manga, I don't know, perhaps that sinful key Mahiru got had its use or was more akin to a prototype. This is mere speculation)
Given that Shinoa was aware that Guren and Mahiru along the aid of Ferid were pretty much planning things without letting vital information float for the whole squad, and considering the lack of power at that time. Shinoa's squad pretty much stayed like lambs, taking in consideration that Yoichi and Kimizuki never got their Seraph trait exploited like Yuu. This left with the consequence of an umbalanced Squad and any hope of fighting against Guren would be a complete loss.
But given the new events of Shinoa finally analyzing everything that has happened so far along gaining coinfidence, this led for her to finally have a vast amount of power along ensuring her friends and family aren't deceived any longer by fake promises.
Along this, she is aware Ferid is stupidly smart, she was aware that Guren's team made Ferid keep an eye on them hence why she spied on them back in chapter 139; this of course led for her to know that within her squad there are two sinful key sources which of course are Yoichi Saotome and Shiho Kimizuki.
2. Divide and Conquer. Dancing in the palm of Guren
While it's good that Yuu and Mika chose their fate to their own hands; Mika and Yuu are pretty much dividing and conquering but there's one issue here. Which is it?
Correct. He's not the only one using such tactic. The second one using them from the very beginning was Guren's team.
But why?
Back in chapter 130, there was a flashback showing Ferid, Guren and very likely ghost type Mahiru to check the memories of Yuu and Mika, leaving an open ending about such events.
But why do I state they're still dancing to someone's tune?
Given that Guren exploited the nature of Mikaela's distrust towards humanity along having the knowledge of Mahiru of how perceptive he was; Guren knew that if the Squad along Yuu and Mika, there would be a difference in terms of power given that the squad would have played the role of supporters in a real combat.
Hence why instead of making such scenario, the best one was of dividing and conquering while making certain Yuu and Mika would dive into their pasts along ensuring to get one special thing Guren needs. What could it be?
Correct. The three spells and power of the First.
But how can I state this?
This follows up by the nature of the First. He was secretive always evading and making his web to counter possibilities but what he didn't have in sight was the very issue that Guren was one of the few that could go against such flow along the inclusion of Ferid Bathory to such team.
But in order to trigger such massive miracle, they need power of an equivalent force for such miracle.
Yuu and Mika so far have joined with the progenitors but at the same time, those progenitors are the very target of Ferid Bathory. Quite ironic isn't it?
At the end, it is possible that a decisive battle between Guren and Yuu takes place and this time won't be about letting win someone but rather defeating and proceeding with their agenda.
What do you think guys? Let me know !
#owari no seraph#seraph of the end#yuichiro hyakuya#mikaela hyakuya#guren ichinose#ferid bathory#shinoa squad#ons chapter 140#ons chapter 139#ons chapter 1#ons chapter 14#ons chapter 59#ons chapter 92#ons chapter 108#ons chapter 114#ons analysis#analysis and theory#rigr stafford#shikama doji#sika madu#vampire progenitors#ons chapter 130#what do you think?#let me know what you think
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Happy Halloween👻 here’s this beautiful fanart with Guren and Mahiru, I hope you like it as much as I do
Follow me for more drawings @_.nvri.art._ (ig)♥️
#anime#anime and manga#anime art#anime fanart#draw#tumblr draw#drawing#procreate#owari no seraph#owari no serafu#seraph of the end#guren ichinose#guren squad#mahiru hiiragi#shinoa hiiragi#hiiragi mahiru
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Day 3: Shinya’s birthday ❤️
Instead of a traditional cake, the fam get Shinya a giant piece of toast
Don’t ask how they got it lol
@gureshin-week-2023
#owari no seraph#seraph of the end#shinya hiragi#guren ichinose#gureshin#mito jujo#sayuri hanayori#norito goshi#shigure yukimi#guren squad#fan art#my art#gureshin week 2023
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✧⊹Yandere Guren x reader⊹✧
The moon shone brightly over the buildings of the abandoned city, casting shadows across the streets.
Inside the headquarters of the moon demon company, Guren Ichinose sat in this private quarters. His sharp purple eyes were fixed on some important paperwork but his mind wasn’t able to focus on it
His mind was focused on a particular girl at the moment. She was s/o
S/o always found a way to make everyone around her smile and lift up their spirits and that infuriated Guren
He had noticed some of the soldiers, especially Makoto Narumi and Shusaku Iwasaki were always hovering around her and were always found wherever s/o was. They tried to gain s/o's attention and get favoured by her. It infuriated Guren and all the bottled up jealousy was close to exploding and reached its limits to be ignored.
One evening as he was training he saw that you were sitting on a bench and Narumi and Iwasaki were talking with you and he saw you smile in response.
It made his blood boil, how dare other people make you smile?
He went over to the three of you and grabbed the two guys neck and lifted them up without them even noticing that Guren was behind
"Do you want solitary confinement? If not then don't slack off dumbass"
He said in a stern voice
"Y-yes Sir!"
They said in harmony as they ran off to do their work
S/o stared at Guren and he stared back
"Try that again, I dare you"
He said with a piercing gaze
"Try what?"
s/o said, confused
"I don't think you know what kind of trouble you're in darling"
"I'm in trouble? What did I do wrong though? And what's up with the sudden nickname"
"That's your new nickname from now on and yes you're in trouble, trouble for talking to men you're not supposed to talk to"
"What's wrong with talking to guys? I don't see anything wrong with it!"
s/o says clearly frustrated as to why Guren was acting like this
"I hate it when other guys talk to you or look at you so fucking much"
"But why?"
"BECAUSE I LOVE YOU"
He yelled out
S/o stared at him wide eyed shocked at what he said
"I'm sorry but I don't, please get away from me this instant, I feel uncomfortable"
"You can learn to love me"
He said as he grabbed your wrist
You struggled to free my wrist and s/o said
"I'm sorry but I can't, let go of me!"
"Is it that hard to love me..?"
"Please let go of me!"
S/o says now getting scared of Guren
"You're going to learn to love me no matter what, let's go"
He tugged on your wrist and forced you to follow him to his room where you'll be locked up until he feels like freeing you or you start loving him
⊹ ✧ ˚ ୨୧˚ The End ˚ ୨୧˚ ✧ ⊹
#yandere seraph of the end#owari no seraph#guren ichinose#guren squad#Guren x reader#Guren#ichinose#yandere#jealousy#Narumi#Makoto Narumi#Shusaku Iwasaki#lovesick#abuse#seraph of the end x reader#seraph of the end#Seraph of the end scenarios
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After having read most of the catastrophe at 16 light novels, the creation of the Shinoa squad is so funny to me. Guren was like gotta put all the human experiments at my disposal together. Oh fuck I need a fifth member. Mitsuba’s squad just died… fuck it, put her in.
#shinoa squad#guren ichinose catastrophe at 16#ons reread 2024#mitsuba sangu#guren ichinose#shinoa hiiragi#yuichiro hyakuya#seraph of the end#owari no seraph
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secrets out
#sayuri was the first to know about the secret so now she has a tough time of keeping it in#they told eachother they wont tell the squad unless they were really sure about their relationship#Story in four parts#seraph of the end#owari no seraph#ons#guren ichinose#shinya hiiragi#gureshin#fanart#catastrophe at 16#shinya hiragi#my art#comics
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can the fandom come clean and admit that guren is not this saint with angels that everyone seems to think he is, guren is the same mf that was having desires of rape and all sorts of immoral desires, you can say that noya was giving him these urges because he’s a demon but then you’d look stupid and ignorant.
People misunderstand the concept of how demons and how they work, noya constantly gave guren thoughts of wanting to rape women, to make women his, to kill, to conquer and destroy everything in sight, it wasn’t because of noya being some messed up kid. Those were gurens desires, ones he covers up and hides exceptionally well. He isn’t someone non chalant, harsh but kind and merciful man. If all his responsibilities, shame and need for validation, attention and love disappeared one day. Trust and believe he’d be classified as a sex offender and serial killer
and before anyone tries to debunk this FACT, it’s been stated many time by noya, mahiru and rigr that these are gurens wants and needs
and guren denied it at first but in the LNS noya constantly gives him reality checks so harsh he cant deny it the second time, his desire for letting go of his anger and murdering everyone who’s ever looked down on him, the hiragis, to run away from him responsibilities all of those are understandable and some might even be able to justify it but his desires for raping women, his desire for making women his and killing them after to run away from the guilty is just trifling and gross💀
I dont dislike guren, I really enjoy his character and i can even say i like him a lot for his severe complexities and the amount of detail kagami gives him but he’s extremely flawed, he’s a pervert and no one can change my mind on that, he’s also a crazy hypocrite for a lot of the things he does
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Hii. I have a request. Could you please write a scenario with Guren, Crowley and Ferid where their s/o is always quiet? Thank you in advance
Hello! Sure thing! <3
Also i made like a mix between a scenario and headcanons for this request bcs i couldn't think of a proper scenario xD.
Guren Ichinose,Crowley Eusford and Ferid Bathory with a s/o who is always quiet
Guren Ichinose
-I think that you two will most likely match your energy
-Like he is a quiet person himself,he just has a loud personality when there's more people around or so.
-he would very much appreciate the fact that you're quiet because he likes the quiet kind-of-love.
-he isn't much of a talkative person himself so prepare to do quiet activities together
-Between you two there's a sweet-like love going on,it's just that not so many people know that because of your quietness.
"Love,I think that we should really tell the people around us that we're together." Guren says.
"Why do you think that,Guren?" you ask,surprised at his request.
He then comes to you,where both of your eyes met.
"Love,there's people out there that think we're just friends.I want them to know we're together.I mean,I'd be happy to announce the fact that we are in fact a couple." he says.
"You're really the best,you know that,you fool?" you say.
"Only for you."
He then kisses you passionately while he embraces you and puts his hands around your waist.
Crowley Eusford
-I don't think that Crowley would have a problem with your quietness.
-sure,he himself isn't a very quiet person,but the fact that you are a quiet person doesn't really bother him in the slightest,so he's alright with it
-Though if sometimes you're too quiet he'll ask what is going on and if you're under a bad mood or if anything has happened.
-he's a very careful man around you so yeah if you're being sooo quiet he might become concerned about your health
-Though when you tell him that there's nothing wrong with you,he understands you and tries to not bother you with his questions about your quietness anymore.
-He just wants to reassure himself that everything is alright between you two and you're not upset or sad about anything that's going on.
"Baby,is there anything that's bothering you,my love?" Crowley asks,concerned.
"I told you like 100 times.I'm fine,we're already living together for like 2 years,haven't you noticed that I'm always quiet?"you ask him,not really expecting a response.
"I'm sorry love,I just wanna know if you're alright and everything is going fine in your life."
As he says that,he hugs you from behind and places a kiss on your neck.
Ferid Bathory
-OPPOSITES
-how the hell did you manage to get with him? Only you and him know I suppose.
-at first,he doesn't even know how to properly talk to you without making it weird
-I suppose that you're the first person to make Ferid Bathory question his words before saying them.And I mean it,I don't think this man has met many people like you and became a couple with them.
-It's kinda weird because he knows that you aren't upset with him or angry at him(or maybe you are,he's Ferid after all)but he still want to make sure that nothing is wrong with you.
-He'll sometimes try to be quiet too just so he can feel what his darling feels.
-of course he fails to be quiet everytime,but at least he tries? I guess we can give him bonus points for trying.
"Y/n,look at me now." he says in a deep voice.
He then grabs you by your chin and starts examining your face.
"Hmmmm....nothing wrong also today...hmm" he continues.
"Ferid.....I'm your lover for like 3 years? Why do you always seem surprised at my quietness?" you say,looking at his eyes.
"I really am not surprised,but it gets kinda fun when I try to 'examine' you" he then laughs.
"So this is really just something so that you can touch my face?" you ask him.
"Maybe,you'll never know though."
As he says that,he caresses your cheeks and then kisses your lips.
Thank you for your request!
I hope you liked these!:)
#seraph of the end#ons#owari no serafu#ferid bathory#guren ichinose#guren x reader#ons guren#guren squad#crowleyeusford#crowley headcanons#crowley x reader#crowley eusford#crowley#ferid ons#ferid x reader#ferid bathory x reader#owari no seraph
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NOT HAPPY fathers day to guren for raising a bunch of 15 year olds and then tearing them down like its an average tuesday for his own gain he isnt the step father or the father that stepped up shit he stepped tf down LMFAOAOAOAO
next drawing: guren taped to a wall while mahiru eats a bowl of of watermelons
#owari no seraph#seraph of the end#guren ichinose#ichinose guren#shinoa squad#hiiragi mahiru#mahiru hiragi
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Is Guren a narcissist?
Lately I dislike Kagami's portrayal of Guren as much as the next person and tbh there's absolutely no way you can make me think he's an innocent victim or a tragic hero we should root for (though I still do root for him cause he's just pathetic and gay I love him). However, the amount of times i've seen both the hispanic and english fandom call him a narcissist is kinda surprising 👀 Now the question is...
So since I'm petty and I like analysing useless stuff, let's take a look at Guren's behavior and at what makes a narcissist to try to give a more elaborate answer. I'll give as a disclaimer that I don't intend to attack anyone or force anyone to like Guren with this post, I'm just a psychology student currently investigating personality disorders and I thought this take would be fun to share.
Also, english is not my main language so do feel free to point out if you see I make any mistake so I can correct it, please ;u;
So for starts, if we're talking about the reasons for why people use to call him a narcissist I believe that pointing out his behavior towards Yuu is a very fair argument, especially his behavior towards Yuu at the beginning of the manga. Guren expresses himself with superiority, these airs and graces and apparent laziness and lack of thoughtfulness. However I believe that if you know how the story in the light novels go and even more if you've read them, you'll realize that all this "I'm your saviour, your god, you owe me your life, blah, blah, blah" crap that Guren tells to Yuu is a way of imposing authority and exerting some kind of control over him.
Guren needed to exert this control and authority as a way to protect himself, his subordinates and his investigations from the JIDA higher-ups, but also to keep Yuu at bay, not only because he was a part of Guren's experiments but also because Yuu used to be a very asocial and volatile kid when Guren took him under his wing. Having an angry kid acting impulsively at his leisure all around the JIDA was not convenient for Guren or for anyone, honestly.
And yes, I'm not gonna deny that Guren is kind of a jerk, but that has more to do with his personality and his sense of humor than with being a narcissist. He's sarcastic, super hard-headed, quite blunt and may come off as conceited, but he's actually extremely aware of all of his mistakes and shortcomings. He recognizes that he is not the smartest or the strongest out there, he knows how powerless he is in the grand scheme of things and most importantly, he recognizes his mistakes and is absolutely willing to take his share of the blame for it.
Sure, he knows that he is a strong individual but that's because he's worked towards the objective of "being strong" his entire life, he's cultivated perseverance and done sacrifices in order to achieve that strength, and while he does like to show off sometimes, recognizing one's merits and being aware of your capacities is hardly the same as having delusions of grandeur. Plus, his motivations are very much oriented to help others, protect others; and although Guren used to have a very strong sense of self-preservation, after the catastrophe he decides to let go of it if it means that it will help him to achieve those goals of keeping his loved ones safe. He starts doing what he 'has' to do rather than whe he wants to do.
After Nagoya's Arc, the shameless and overbearing side of Guren's behavior gets toned down. He becomes more serious, he doesn't play and makes jokes as often and he also stops trying to impose himself to Yuu in the same way as before. There's no need of that superiority facade anymore after all the things that came to light and now that the JIDA poses less of a threat and that Yuu has become less of a subordinate and more of a collaborator, exerting the same authority as before is just not necessary.
And now that we're referring to Yuu, we also gotta point out that a narcissist lacks empathy and doesn't go out of his way to try to help or benefit other people, but Guren does feel affection towards Yuu. When Yuu came to him as a child full of rage, resentment, guilt and lust for revenge, Guren genuinely empathized with him, he took care of Yuu, tried to teach him what he knew and he pushed him to build a support network with his classmates when he didn't really had to do all that. He could've simply taken advantage of Yuu's grief and solitude to control everything about him and force him to collaborate, but he didn't. Even when doing that would've been the best and most practical option for Guren's purposes, he still decided against isolating Yuu. Plus a narcissist wouldn't be capable of the affection and compassion that Guren feels for Yuu. And it is also made clear that Guren does not enjoy using Yuu or hurting him, but Shinya and his squad are Guren's priority, putting his options in a balance, he knows that he has no choice but to keep using Yuu to make his plan work. And it IS selfish and cruel and abusive, we're not going to deny that, but arguing that he doesn't care about Yuu or anyone else but himself is a pretty reductionist (and tbh also incorrect) statement.
Now, let's take a look at Shinya's opinion about Guren, taking into account that Shinya is probably the person who knows Guren the best out of all of the Catastrophe at 16 cast and probably all of OnS.
First of all we have this scene during the Nagoya Arc in which Shinya shows concern about Guren cause he knows that Guren suffers when people die and that he's not good at handling that.
Guren cares about his subordinates, he is saddened by the death of his soldiers and during this arc, he even makes the rather emotional choice of going straight into a trap in order to save other soldiers that Crowley is holding as hostages, even when Mito and Shinya warn him that they shouldn't do it cause it is clearly a trap.
I know there's a lot of material that I'm not covering, but for the sake of not making this post longer than it already is, let's go ahead and just check some of the behavioural criteria that a person has to meet to be diagnosed/classified as a Narcissist; of course, taking into consideration that meeting one or two criteria isn't enough cause it is very likely that everyone will present some of these criteria some times throughout our lives. For a person to be considered a narcissist they must meet various criteria which manifest constantly in various different contexts of their life for most of the time. Some of the criteria include:
•A grandiose sense of self-importance, being it fantasies or behaviors and the expectation to be recognized as superior without real reasons.
In Guren's case, he's not really the type that brags about his deeds or that goes about life expecting people to praise him, specially when there's no reason. The only times one could say that he sort of acts this way is in his interactions with Yuu in the early chapters.
•A narcissist is very often preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.
Although Guren, does desire power and recognition, he is aware of all he's lacking and beats himself up because of all these things that he knows he isn't good enough to achieve. We can also notice that ultimately, his desire for power originates from his desire to keep his loved ones safe.
•A narcissist believes that they are “special” and unique and they only want to associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions).
In Guren's case, he knows that he kinda sucks. A lot of the people around him belong to a higher status, have a higher military position or are better than him in one way or the other. What Guren does is working towards his betterment. He doesn't believe he's special, in the novels, he even seems to be a bit ashamed about the subordinates in the Ichinose manor thinking that he is a prodigy. We also have that although it is obvious that Guren regards his squad as the most important people to him, and is willing to commit atrocities and become very self-sacrificial for them it is not because 'they are the best' or because they have a high status that Guren's ego can feed on, but just because he loves them.
•A narcissist has an excessive need for admiration
Guren is indeed an admired character, however he doesn't "need" to be admired. Even before the apocalypse, the motive behind his goal was not to be admired but bring respect and dignity to his beaten up clan. He's had plenty of chances to show off, but he just doesn't really needs to be admired for that.
•A narcissist exploits their interpersonal relationships for their own benefit.
This point is a bit tricky cause Guren is undeniably using Yuu and he had the same intentions with Kimizuki and Yoichi to achieve his goals. However, besides from knowing that Guren would not be doing this if there was another way, when we take a look at the rest of his interpersonal relationships, specially with his squad, being exploitative of their relationship for his own benefit is just not there.
Some other criteria include an excessive sense of entitlement, a lack of empathy, constant envy and the belief that others are envious of them, and haughty behaviors, all of which we already tackled before.
So, taking everything in consideration, we come to the conclusion that although Guren has displayed some narcissistic attitudes, overall he does not fit the profile, therefore, Guren is not a narcissist.
This of course doesn't mean that we have to condone all the bad things he's done, but rather may help us gain a bit more insight into Guren's character. Exploring his relationship's dynamics, and other mental health conditions which's profiles he may fit would be fun as well. He is indeed a very flawed character, and maybe that's what makes him interesting.
And that's it, if you read the whole thing, thank you for sticking till the end :) If you enjoyed this do let me know and in the future maybe we can tackle some other ons characters and their issues from a clinical perspective, I would also love to know your opinion on this if you have one or for you to point out any contradictions, mistakes or important things I may have missed to make this post better. Thanks for reading ♡. ❛ ᴗ ❛.)
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Owari no Seraph Chapter 140 - Thoughts and Analysis (Warning: Spoilers ahead)
Hmm, before starting, I'll make another post about my thoughts so far...I think, or rather I believe at this point, people have grasped the situation with the manga. The way it goes, it has started to connect like a massive web whose missing points are finally fitting...like a whole gear system.
(Hehe, yeah those thoughts will be for the next post)
Now returning or focusing to the latest chapter. In personal taste it was pretty much a bit tad boring given that there was a degree of expectation in terms of what'd appear but of course it doesn't mean it's bad. Actually, we got a new insight along a possible follow up fight between Ferid and Ky Luc.
First of all, the chapter starts with the ones trying to break free who are now again dancing to "save the world". Still, there's a degree of uncertainity given the "cost" of that "saving" the world.
Of course, I'm talking about a difference of ideals between Rigr Stafford, more commonly known as Saito and Urd Geales.
Urd and Rigr being the elders of the vampire council, tend to be the ones to take the decisions that are give more benefit to the world, but given the truth Rigr learnt first hand, doubt began to spread within Rigr along a change of mindset and heart given what the First went through.
Whereas for Urd, such action goes against order. Still, the two of them chose to listen what Yuu had to tell them.
Next, Yuu. Yuu is finally playing smart. We got answered a big doubt ever since Shikama got devoured by Shinoa. Only 30% of his power is within Yuu, whereas the 70% lies with Shinoa.
As to why I mean he's playing smart, it is mostly that he is using that "love" the progenitors have for the First despite everything along the fact of the memories Rigr, the rest of the progenitors (excluding Krul and very likely all those 3rd progenitors that were turned into cursed gear) along Yuu. The fact that the angels existed is a key piece on what exactly the ideals align. But why do I state this?
Simple, Yuu does not exactly have full knowledge of spells. While it's true the First gave three special spells...it does not exactly mean he has all the requirements to trigger them and the second one to know about magecraft is Rigr Stafford as stated in the chapter.
(What I think here is that...Yuu is actually underestimating Guren, Mahiru and Ferid a lot. While it's true he chose to finally leave the nest, there's a reason why I state this which will be for another post, yeh sorry eheh)
But within this, why did the idea of actually taking over the First's goals came to be?
For love.
Rigr at first was like a child, hoping the First would actually acknowledge him as who he is, instead, he found that the First has been trying to resurrect all angels back, and of course with this, it goes with a second point which is "finding a reason to live".
The vampires were left with no reason, spending millenia without changing and now that a fragment of a possibility comes, Rigr isn't hesitating whereas Urd wishes to maintain order.
But why is that? Why is it that Urd is against?
The reason very independent from the love he has for Rigr (I'm not saying it is a romantic love, but I leave it to interpretation for people. We don't know what they endured together when they were human but mayhaps one day we will) is the fact that there are heavy prices to pay in order to save the worlds mentioned. True, everything sounds like a great plan, like the best of the best saving every single thing out, but in order to do so, in order to create a miracle, something must be paid at the same level for such miracle to happen.
The progenitors so far only have a vague idea of the price; and so far they are still dancing to one end goal which was stated back in chapter 108
The final event of the story is very likely heading to that detonation. The battle against the angels, BUT, that will only happen or course depending on which party wins. What do I mean?
Right now, there are four parties at hand.
-Human Team represented by the King of Humanity Kureto Hiragi.
-Guren's Team. A team that is made of Guren, Mahiru and their wild card Ferid Bathory who so far will likely succeed on devouring the 5th Progenitor Ky Luc.
-Yuu's Team which is integrated by the Progenitors, Mikaela and Yuu himself.
Though, how far will such team endure everything? It is unknown for one factor that I'll actually explain later.
And lastly, the new team no one suspected to ever appear given that they were like lambs obeying and following due to the lack of power.
-Shinoa's Squad. Obviously, the team made of Kimizuki, Yoichi, Mitsuba and Shinoa. Who now have a possibility to turn the tables against the King of Humanity and very likely Guren's Team.
All the lines or paths are finally starting to align, the big puzzle is finally merging; and the real battlefield is about to start. The war that will follow up won't be just power alone but strategy and how far the love each team will take them to.
Even if the Progenitors that are currently working with Yuu have chosen to follow up what the First was doing, there are possibilities that such plans won't exactly go as planned given that there are several things in common within three parties and that is the very fact that they are underestimating their respective enemies.
What do I mean?
Vampire Progenitors
The progenitors while holding deep knowledge along having a representant in such field such as Rigr, they have done one thing nonstop which is underestimating lesser Vampire Progenitors such as Ferid along humanity itself. Given their form of being immortals, they believe their battles will forever be won but humanity within the story has displayed that they can still take leaps in order to pursue their objectives.
Humanity's Team and their King of Humanity
While it's true Kureto, despite his methods, has actually tried to make sure humanity prevails; still, he's still in the dark, he has no clue he has several walking corpses but given that factor, along how chapter 140 played at the end, Guren won't allow the walking corpses to turn into dust but rather he'll keep fighting until their goal is set. But still, again they underestimate something. What is it?
Given that they belong to one generation, they believe they'll eventually have the upperhand, which means, they might pull a fight against the Progenitors but not exactly vs Yuu and the Shinoa Squad.
Guren's Team (Mahiru, Ferid and Guren)
Within this team, two of three are underestimating the guinea pigs they managed to gather, what do I mean?
While it is very likely that Yuu's departure was planned, one sole thing wasn't exactly planned. What do I mean?
Correct. In all the story of the manga, Guren made sure to only give power to one sole person within the Shinoa Squad and that was only Yuu given the purpose and goal he had in mind from the beginning. This also includes Mahiru and to some extent Ferid. But the new Wild Card that has popped out is not from the Black Demon Wielders but rather from Shinoa herself.
Given that Shinoa gave a full evaluation along having a purpose for life given that "love" is what fuels her goals along treasuring and protecting the family she has; true, Mahiru has awareness of the power Shinoa has to some extent but not how far they can go, and the very moment Guren's team left the squad and Ferid actually stopping watching them, this gave the opportunity for Shinoa to give her squad to fight on a more equal ground and now that she has the majority of the First's powers along knowing how to enhance and channel the power of all the demons, this can play as backfire against all the demon wielders within the story so far.
How long will it take for the story to finish? I'm not certain, but it is very likely that the end will eventually connect everything into one single thing.
What do you think guys? Let me know?
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This is way too cute I’m dying
Look at my sweet little Ferid winking his way through my heart all over again 🥹
Taken from this X post
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