#guess what; lesbophobe.

[squirrelstone]

Controversial opinion but the 2010s lesbians who cried lesbophobia against anyone who disagreed with them (it mostly terfs and aphobes doing this, but it did spread outside of those groups) did more harm to lesbians as a whole than any other group of queer people.

[lgbtlunaverse]

I do think it's rather unfair for hades game 2 to literally give us a sapphic moon witch and then proceed to have no love inerests you could conceivably do the "sun lesbian/moon lesbian" thing with. That's like lesbophobic I think. They need to bring the iliad characters back and put cassandra (priestess of apollo, which counts as decent sun symbolism I think) in the game or i'm gonna make a genderbent helios out of pure desperation.

[thetorturedlovergirl]

Wow... a little sexist of my WiFi to stop working just when I've been planning since last week to watch s13 today (why so against my silly, traumatized, non-communicative, has-more-energy-than-she-should-have blonde?)

[chimney-begins]

Ellie is literally a lesbian who has said she doesn't like men and you like some lesbophobic ass rehortic LLOLOLOOO classic pedro icon

i have no idea what this is referring to? if i accidentally shared something lesbophobic lmk lol. i know ellie is a lesbian and doesn't like men, because lesbians literally do not like men. that's basic knowledge. and anyone who says ellie is bisexual is just lesbophobic for sure. but i don't remember reblogging anything like that, so...? i am Confusion.

[mithliya]

Guess what? apparently the lostelvenqueen blog has been deactivated.

LMAO HE DEACTIVATED AND DELETED HIS TIATRUTHS TWITTER ACCOUNT AT THE SAME TIME

I FUCKING TOLD Y'ALL THAT LOSTELVENQUEEN IS TYGRESSOFAERA!! tras kept dismissing it and overlooking his racism and in the end the truth prevailed.

may that lying racist lesbophobic misogynistic pig never come back & stay away forever

[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

So uh, I know it's not a fanart idea, but apparently some people still say that spop isn't problematic and .... Well I wanted to know what you thought of this post

https://www.tumblr.com/sjbattleangel/763891531761500160/seriously-if-i-hear-one-more-she-ra-is-incest?source=share

oh yeah, i've seen this post. it's funny how stans say that we're making things up or we're being lesbophobic by saying that adora and catra are sisters, when the creators and VAs themselves have confirmed that these two are sisters.

but i guess we're the ones ignoring canon and being stupid right? the show bible and character sheets and interviews with the cast are all clearly fanmade and not canon at all! /s

and like,, if the issue was that the creators couldn't reveal that catra and adora are supposed to be lovers early on because of restrictions, they could have just called them friends. friends, roommates, rivals, ANYTHING but sisters.

not to mention, there was no need to give catra and adora a clearly familial relationship with shadow weaver. there was no need to imply that both catra and adora saw shadow weaver as their mother, and that she saw them as her children. yes, shadow weaver was an abuser but that doesn't suddenly make her not their mother. toxic or not, she still filled that role in their lives.

stans say that adora and catra have mommy issues and constantly refer to shadow weaver as their mother, but we're the weird ones for saying that they're sisters??

[vaspider]

It is interesting to me that -- when I went to go look and see if the silly little dork who's been bothering a bunch of people made another mimic blog -- I ran across people sending confused anons to others complaining that I blocked them, but in the same breath 'and also vaspider is a proship lesbophobe who eats children' and i'm like... buddy... do you think that I saw shit like that and go 'ah, I should leave that person unblocked?' Nah. You're gone. I don't need to talk to you, and you don't need to interact with me. Ever. About anything.

This is what I mean by 'curate your experience.' Legit, if I run across posts like anon asks 'i saw goody spider dancing with the devil' and the person responds 'omg i will not look up anything, i will take that post down right away,' man, I just block people. If I run across a post (like I did yesterday when filing reports on the last harassment spree) advocating for physical violence against me, I will take the less-than-five-minutes it takes to block every single person who interacted positively with the post. It's never a lot of people, to be honest, so it takes very little time. And then I move on, and I never think about any of them as individuals again, and they'll never be able to interact with my posts again, and that is the desired end result.

I cannot recommend this tactic enough, honestly. You don't owe anyone your time, your energy, any of it.

But now I'm writing rambling posts about blocking strategies instead of writing about the Phoenician pantheon, oop. Guess this is just me making up more excuses to not write the words I get paid to write.

[diaphin93]

Edelcrits being Lesbophobic Take 2:

Okay, so remember my blogpost about that guy with very colorful opinions about sibling on sibling relationships being asked to pass judgement on whether or not Lesbians are wrong about liking Edelgard? Yes, the Edelcritical Lesbophobia just intensified

Aka Dimitris Lethal Cock, somebody who praises Azure Gleam as Gay and lies about being a LGBT Safespace while deliberately misgendering people on other blogpost of theirs. So yeah, I think it doesn't need to be said that we can automatically dismiss this person speaking for sapphic and lesbian women. I guess what they mean is that lesbians should learn to behave and start to demand androcentric stories that values male relationship in a way that cisheterosexual women can read faux-queer relationships tailored to their heteronormative tastes out of it without offending the cisheterosexual male fanbase? Because lets be honest, this is the majority of queer subtext in the Azure Routes and Azure Gleam even doubles down on it by sidelining Dedue in favor of putting more emphasis to Dimitris Relationship with the white weeb twink.

But yeah, this post is really written by somebody who does not understand sapphic women, probably never interacted with a transfem lesbian their entire live and clearly has some extensive prejudice against sapphics which are widespread in Fandoms, because these kinds of debates always end in bashing the sapphics or their media. Because otherwise they would take back a step and notice...that Edelgard is very much in line with the typical fandom favs of sapphics?

Because lesbians don't want and probably hate whatever you consider to be better and most sapphic fans probably would immediately drop the series if you had any say in what to creat tbh? We are talking about some vile weirdo who seems to be into Azure Gleam after all, lol. I already made my point clear why Edelgard resonates with Sapphics. Her design, her personality and narrative are a super strong match, which is just further supported by also having Dorothea right next to her, another sapphic fav with strong feminist themes in her narrative.

Ultimately, I really recommend especially trans Edelgard Fans to stay away from this person as they seem to be quite nefarious, as I mentioned, I've seen them already deliberately misgendering members of the Edelgard discord, I assume in order to move forward their strawman, that Edelgard Fans are only men.

[lettersfromcassiopeia]

Since I can’t respond to the discourse posting that just happened since OP is a minor and can’t take criticism I guess, I wanna say something really quick

I’m really not liking how people are talking to my siblings. My brothers. And I’m really tired of all these weird takes from predominantly younger members of the community. I’m begging everyone in the community to think more on the nature of labels and how they can change

And I’m also tired of pretending the opposition of the whole ‘Transman Lesbian’ debacle are reasonable people. I don’t care how much you say you aren’t a TERF— you’re doing the TERF thing anyway.

Furthermore you’re demonizing people literally just playing with words and what they could mean and saying they aren’t valid. Immediately calling them Lesbophobic without even offering them a chance to talk and explain.

This is cop behavior. You’re acting like cops.

No cops at pride

Now git’.

[molsno]

there's so much thinly veiled transmisogyny and lesbophobia on this website and few people seem to ever talk about it. take this post for example:

sure, on the surface, this seems to be a nice, inclusive post about the ways that some people will be dismissive of fellow trans people's genders. but the minute I read the second one, which is supposed to be a hypothetical trans woman talking to a hypothetical trans man, it started ringing alarm bells in my head.

first of all, why is this hypothetical trans woman being so aggressively transphobic to the hypothetical trans man? in the first example, the reverse scenario, the hypothetical trans man is attempting to be kind, but ends up committing a microaggression. but when it's the trans woman speaking, she's just flat out directly aggressive. I shouldn't need to explain that this is a transmisogynistic stereotype rooted in the idea that we are men at our cores. this perception is reinforced by the framing of manhood as something we "no longer want", as if we enjoyed it and simply got bored of it. meanwhile, for trans men, womanhood is something they "found no peace in". why the difference in framing here?

we can't forget the lesbophobia. the hypothetical trans woman is implied to be a lesbian, since she has a clear disdain for attraction to men. why is it that lesbians can't talk about how much we hate men as a social class without men getting hurt feelings about it? for trans lesbians especially, many of us had to live our lives for years hearing the absolutely disgusting, awful things men say about women when they think there are no women around, and guess what! that's fucking traumatizing! many lesbians have similar reasons for feeling unsafe around men! but whenever we vocalize this, whenever we talk about how glad we are that we no longer bend to the pressure to center the needs of men in our lives, people take it personally. they view it as an personal attack on them for being a man or being attracted to men. again, this is rooted in the lesbophobic stereotype of the "man-hating dyke".

people fucking HATE trans women, lesbians, and ESPECIALLY trans lesbians for rejecting men and manhood and I'm so fucking sick of it.

[fleabagsjoy]

Ok so i just binge-watched Oniisama E (Dear Brother) and i have.... thoughts. And feelings.

(SPOILERS AHEAD!)

Not super eloquent ones, I don't have any type of degree or formal education on writing or media analysis, i'm just word vomiting what i think and feel without any sources or facts to back it up so i hope that's okay. And i feel like i should preface with the fact that i didn't actually watch the last four episodes because i dreaded having to sit through Kaoru and Mariko ending up with men idgaf about, and instead read a summary of those last four episodes on Wikipedia.

With that being said, i absolutely loved this anime, i had already watched Revolutionary Girl Utena and everyone who enjoyed that one was talking about this anime so i figured I'd give it a try too and i don't regret it at all. The characters, the setting, the ANIMATION, the main plot and subplots (some of which i enjoyed more than others), i enjoyed it all.

I don't want to point out the obvious about the ending, we all know. But i was prepared, went in with the mindset of completely ignoring eps 36-39, specially the "Real Love is Heterosexual Love" speech that it pulls in the last couple episodes, so i'm not that upset by it. I will say that putting "you will only know what true love is when you find a man for yourself" is some twisted, sexist and lesbophobic stuff to put in an anime where Nanako, Rei and Mariko canonically fall in love with girls and whoever came up with that will not be seeing the pearly gates of heaven. And if that wasn't enough, they had to make the girls end up with men because uuhhh i guess they have to! But anyways, i still read the summary of what happened in those last four episodes.

I read a review from 3 years ago by medivhtirisfal that mentioned this and i'm so glad i'm not the only one but this really reminds me of a series of books that i used to collect when i was younger about an all girls boarding school and all types of adventures and mischief they got up to (the St. Clare's series) and i guess part of me always craved more of that. Oniisama E scratched that itch i suppose, i'll always crave all female casts and to see interactions and relationships that form between them, all types of relationships really: sisterhood, platonic, romantic, sexual, healthy, toxic, simple, complex... women stories matter! And i love when they're the center and backbone of the plot.

Now back to the actual anime. I haven't read the manga yet, don't think i will for a while even though i do like the mangakas artstyle from the few panels i've seen. But like i mentioned, Oniisama E reminds me of those books i used to collect, it's a string of events that happen during the first school year at an all-girls academy of our main character Misonoo Nanako.

It was very satisfying to see Nanako be a bit more submissive when everything and everyone was new to her vs. becoming more confident in her decisions and standing up for herself and others she cares about later on. She was always very caring for others, but i do feel like she let herself be shoved around in the first few episodes so seeing her stand up for Rei against Fukiko and quit the Sorority because of her loyalty not just to Mariko, but to herself and her values, made her one of my favorite characters. Also who can't relate to falling in love with Rei... Asaka Rei was undoubtedly one of the reasons that got me to watch the anime.

I gotta prepare myself before i write a paragraph for her because wow... too much to unpack. I can't elaborate better than some other Asaka Rei understanders about the intricacies of witnessing her own mother take her life in front of her daughter, after telling her to protect and take care of Fumiko, and how that pressure of committing to her mother's final wish lead to Rei's confusion of feelings for her own sister, devoting her everything to her, even her life. I suspect never dealing with the loss of her mother properly is what lead to Rei's severe depression and inability to understand all types love and bonds that she could have with other people, seeing Fukiko as her beginning and end from that moment.

Needless to say that, as much as i wanted her to realize this and free herself from this torment so she could deal with her trauma properly, she had to do it by herself so she could gain some sense of self and build an identity outside of someone she worshiped for so long and SPECIALLY before getting into a relationship with anyone (r.i.p. nanakorei). She's the most tragic character in this story to me, all of this started at a very young age and she had no way to get out of it and when she got close to that, the plot decided to say NOPE. NO CHANCES OF A HAPPY ENDING FOR YOU. Bottom line is: she desperately needed therapy. Veeery early on.

I have to follow up with Ichinomiya Fukiko, a really toxic and abusive teenage girl with too much power over the other girls at school, she lives in a bubble built for incredibly rich people (as do many of the other characters), leader of the Sorority (an academy "elite club"). One of the best things about shoujo ai like this is that all female characters are so fleshed out and have so much to give to the viewers and Fukiko is no exception. I will say that i fail to see a character that has so much (negative) impact on most of the other main characters as she was very often abusing/taking advantage of/humiliating others.

It's definitely because of her upbringing but she always bottled up her feelings to keep up a façade of composure, with Nanako's constant defiance, after confronting her feelings for Henmi and her relationship with Rei, as well as after the abolition of the Sorority, we gradually got to see different sides of her. She's... complicated. Not an evil mastermind or anything, her attempts of sabotage seemed very desperate adn half-hearted, but she could still be very cruel and take advantage even of people she claimed to love. Still, Fukiko was one of the main driving forces of the story and i can always appreciate a character like that.

Of course that leads me to Orihara Kaoru! She is probably one of the most consistent characters in the anime, loyal, determined and resolute, very sure of where she stands, oh my god... i'd crush on her so hard too if i was one of the girls at the academy. I loved the relationship she had with Rei, the soulmateism was off the charts, they had an incredibly intimate bond that no one could replicate and, besides Nanako, i felt for her the most when Rei passed away. I'm pretty sure her having to face the past between her and Henmi was also a big part of her character but again, i really don't wanna witness how that ends so i'm not gonna elaborate too much on what happens in the last four episodes, which is unfortunate because i'm sure a lot of her own development as a character happens in those but whatever...

I didn't expect this when i started Oniisama e but Shinobu Mariko is my favorite character!! It took a while for her to grow on me but i love her a lot. Mariko is mostly known for the misandrist lines (which... real) and i appreciate that she never really changed that (until #those episodes but i won't consider them strictly canon for my sake), but she had such a great story arc with facing her loneliness and facing the problems she had with her parents. I'm no psychologist but BPD is heavily implied and from what i've seen by other fans with BPD, a lot of symptoms were shown throughout the anime, which i appreciate since Mariko wasn't villainized and was instead shown as someone with her own issues with boundaries and relationships at first but that she could manage and balance in a healthier way later on... it's not something you can easily see in anime, specially not from this time. I was really happy when Mariko, Nanako and Tomoko became a great friend trio who could rely on each other halfway through, another testament to her character development.

Tomoko was one of my favs as well! A lot of other characters were very interesting and had important moments in main characters arc like Misaki and Henmi. It's been a while since i've seen an older shoujo but the animation and editing was fascinating to me, very gorgeous, over the top sometimes but we need that! What happened to that! Anyways it's very beautiful, i appreciate it. The intro song will stick with me too and the damn Academy bell... Very melodramatic, but very fun, it's a hit for me!

I'm still grieving Rei so i can't really face anything that happened in eps 33-35. We're past making the lesbians suffer, NANAKO AND REI DESERVED THEIR DATE ON THE BEACH!!

I fear i will be upset by that for the time being but hey, that's what fanfiction is for.

[princessefemmelesbian]

This sad spineless little bitch made this post and then blocked me. Guess they can't handle the truth. 🤣

Love how you assume I'm a terf just because I'm a(true) lesbian. If you went through my blog for even a second you'd know that's not the case. But I'm not surprised that a bi lesbian is throwing that word around and not knowing what it means.

You also don't seem to know what homophobic means either lol. You're not gonna guilt trip actual lesbians into saying we like cis dick. Are those lesbians in the room with us right now?

Anyway go back to your lesbophobic troll cave and die there.

P.S. your boyfriend is a creep. ✌🏿

[euniexenoblade]

im struggling with my words a little rn so bear with me

for a while i thought that transmisogyny was just misogyny and transphobia together rather than a specific form of transphobia only trans women/fems faced.

looking at transandrophobia now (ignoring the guys who genuinely believe they are being discriminated against bc they are men? i guess?) my wrong definition of transmisogyny makes more sense than transandrophobia bc transandrophobia as a word insinuates that specific transphobia that trans men/mascs have has anything to do with the fact that theyre men when in reality the transphobia has more to do with misogyny since its always framed like theyre poor little girls who were manipulated by a cult into mutilating themselves or whatever.

so there needs to be (or ppl want there to be) a word like transmisogyny that is able to properly encapsulate both transphobia and misogyny. the problem is that transmisogyny already exists, they cant co-opt that from trans women, and the original word they came up with is a problem bc misandry isnt a thing. at least that seems to be what the discourse seems to boil down to to me. just that they want a word to describe all that but theres an undertone of not just transmisogyny but misogyny as well that has infected the whole conversation

i hope you get what im trying to say and that im not COMPLETELY off-base here. if im wrong you can just ignore this, im just tryin to get it

Anon, i do get what you're trying to say, and I really need you to understand I'm not being mean when I say this, but that term does exist, it's "transphobia." This is not a new topic, this has been discussed for decades, this is already covered under transphobia. The problem is these people have not read materials related to the topics they want to argue about, so they do not fully understand why they're talking about.

I personally do not care if transmascs have some special term to use for their experience. I know a lot of people do, because it's sorta a slap in the face of the concept of transmisogyny and transphobia, but genuinely I do not care. My personal problem lies in that when they decide on these terms, they chose terms championed by racists (transmisandry) and lesbophobes and terfs (transandrophobia).

But I do, for a fact, think the desires of needing these terms is from being uneducated about what transphobia (and by extension, what transmisogyny) and intersectionality are.

[rollercoasterwords]

different anon, but i thought we all agreed canon remus is a timid, sheltered boy? unlike the fanon's alphamale remus. i think that was an important point. don't know why you said like it was a personal interpretation. and i think when the anon called it fanon toxic heteronormative wolfstar, they meant the r & s in your fic are alphamale-ed remus & abused, shorter sirius. you can make disabled remus fight, but the alphamale-ification of him is. i think we writers should try to not spread that remus. man, i don't think you have to agree with the anon or me, you do you and we do we. sent it just to clarify a few stuff

you guys have caught me in a bad mood so fine let's get into it lmao

"i thought we all agreed canon remus is a timid, sheltered boy?"

well, you thought wrong!! generally speaking if you're saying "i thought we all agreed..." about something in fandom, you are wrong. this space is huge and there are tons of different interpretations of canon. i don't like all of them, but you know what i do when i don't like someone's interpretation? i unfollow them or block them or simply scroll past their post or don't read their fic!! it is sooooooo easy to ignore a stranger on the internet's take on harry fucking potter c'mon now

that being said, the idea that remus is "sheltered" in canon is laughable to me. that kid became a werewolf at six years old, he was forced to deal with the harsh realities of the world wayyyyyy before any of his friends. and i guess you could interpret him as timid, maybe, but i personally don't!! professor lupin in the books is incredibly vivacious, sarcastic, funny--plus, he spent his youth fighting voldemort + death eaters. none of that screams "timid" to me.

and, again, even if that was my interpretation of canon remus, this is not a canon-compliant fic. i am specifically putting the characters in a universe where voldemort won and they grew up separately, without all going to hogwarts together, and exploring my interpretation of how their personalities would change. remus in this world is definitely not fucking sheltered and he literally could not be timid if he wanted to survive. you don't have to read the fic if you don't like seeing him that way!

unlike the fanon's alphamale remus. i think that was an important point. don't know why you said like it was a personal interpretation.

again, the idea that "the fanon" is a single united entity is laughable. there are tons of fanon interpretations of remus. you can choose not to interact with the ones you dislike!!! and i said the "sheltered and timid" thing was a personal interpretation because it is.

and i think when the anon called it fanon toxic heteronormative wolfstar, they meant the r & s in your fic are alphamale-ed remus & abused, shorter sirius.

let's just say what you mean here: you think interpretations of r + s where one is more "feminine" and one is more "masculine" are heteronormative. i think that's bullshit! the idea that gay couples where one is more feminine and one is more masculine are "heteronormative" is the shit that's been ostracizing + marginalizing butches + feminine gay men within the queer community for literal decades--genuinely, it was (and continues to be, apparently!) a huge lesbophobic talking point in feminist circles that butch/femme relationships were un-feminist because butches were basically just "mimicking straight men." not only that, but it leads to pretty blatant transphobia on account of, y'know, trying to police people's gender presentation based on how you think someone of their gender is meant to present. so i don't have ANY fucking patience for this discourse and if you try to bring it to my blog you will get blocked.

and i'll address the idea that remus in my fic is an "alphamale" in a second, but for now--what about having one person be shorter and one person be taller in a relationship makes it heteronormative?? are short people automatically feminine to you?? and what about having one party being abused makes a relationship heteronormative?? is being abused an inherently feminine trait?? i'd recommend thinking about what exactly you're trying to claim here before you bring it to my askbox.

you can make disabled remus fight, but the alphamale-ification of him is. i think we writers should try to not spread that remus.

first of all, i think the idea that The Fandom is spreading some sort of plague of "alphamale remus" is silly. The Fandom is not a monolith; the majority of blogs + writers i follow portray him as a wet sock. so if you're being inundated with "alphamale remus" content that you don't like, start learning to use the block button.

beyond that, the interpretation that remus is an "alphamale" in my fic at all just tells me that both you and the first anon have not read the fic in its entirety. the only reason i can imagine that the first anon even brought that up is the fact that remus is in a werewolf fighting ring and acts flirty with sirius when they first meet. we get an entire chapter from remus's perspective where we learn that this is a specific persona he has had to adapt to survive, and we also learn that he is fighting in this werewolf fighting ring for reasons that are specifically tied to the way he is marginalized in this fictional society. the fic spends a ton of time exploring the way his marginalization has shaped his life and i spend over 20k words writing his pov in his head demonstrating that his anger comes from that marginalization, and that the "aggression" he is interpreted as having is a) partially stereotyping because he's a werewolf and b) partially a persona he has to adapt to survive in the werewolf fighting ring. again, if you don't like reading him like that then you don't have to read the fic. but the idea that fighting other werewolves specifically as a facet of the ways in which werewolves are oppressed in this society is something that makes him an "alpha male"....i mean if that's what you're taking away from it then i simply don't want you to read my fics in the first place.

man, i don't think you have to agree with the anon or me, you do you and we do we. sent it just to clarify a few stuff

the first anon literally asked me to rewrite my fic. sure, i could have just ignored the message and blocked them, and maybe i should have--but like i said, you guys caught me in a bad mood, and this is my blog, so. to answer that ask, i actually did have to disagree with them, because i had to say, "no, i will not rewrite the fic." and you've put me in a position where i actually do have to disagree as well, by saying stuff like "i thought we all agree," where not saying anything would be tacit agreement when i don't agree. i will do me, and i suggest you and the first anon go do you far away from that, because it seems like it would be better for everyone involved! i don't really care if you think you were being polite or helpful with this message; i didn't need you to clarify, and i did not need the holier-than-thou moralizing about what "we writers" should do when it's not even something i'm doing.

again, i don't care if people don't like my fic. just don't read it!!!! and just don't follow this blog!!! there is literally zero point in sending me messages like this nitpicking interpretations, especially not when the crux of your issue is that i'm making wolfstar "heteronormative," an argument that is deeply rooted in homophobia and transphobia. felt like ranting tonight, but generally speaking i will just block anyone who brings that shit into my askbox.

[lisanees]

why do trans men wanna be lesbians so bad? not only do you wanna invalidate your own gender, you wanna invade the identity that is specifically exclusive of men? I mean if nothing else good job living up to cis men's levels of entitlement, I guess?

"I had a connection to lesbianism before realizing I'm a man!" cool, and now you don't! that's life, get over it

"I don't feel like it invalidates my gender" good for you! it still invalidates the genders of every trans man who isn't a raging lesbophobe by implying trans men are somehow "not man enough" that they can still be lesbians

"but what about this source from the 1970s" it's 2023, how about listening to the lesbians who are here today instead of finding one obscure text, from before we had all the terminology of today, that supports your point?

"but what about transmasc lesbians" I'm not talking about transmasc people who are not men, I'm talking about trans men and transmasc people who identify as men (butch and transmasc lesbians are not men, I can't believe we still have to argue that)

if you put that "trans men can be lesbians" post on my feed it's an instant block, stop supporting lesbophobia, transphobia and literal rape rhetoric just because you hate that lesbian is an exclusive term

[man-squared]

People really think when you talk about lesbians being men or having relationships with men means you want them personally to go sleep with every man and not that you want every lesbian to have their own autonomy to decide what lesbianism means to them personally.

Like literally, the people who make large ass call out posts or posts that whine that there are people who are mspec lesbians or lesbian men or just that some lesbians have sex with men always make it so personal no matter if they are a lesbian or not. They seem to not be able to remove themselves from someone else's lesbianism and autonomy.

No one (seriously, no one besides actual lesbophobes) are claiming that you, a lesbian, has to have any relation to men. You do not have to date or have sex with lesbian men (or mspec lesbians), and guess what! We don't want to do those things with you either. No one is saying that because a small percentage of lesbians might have sex with men and/or be attracted to men, you as a lesbian have to. I don't know why you decided that you have to live in a world with communal absolutes. Not all lesbians are you, and you are not all lesbians (like really do you like the same women as every other lesbian? No, because you aren't other lesbians). Let lesbians have autonomy. Let lesbians live. Let queer people be!

Tldr: you don't have to do what other lesbians do. Just because a lesbian has any kind of relationship with men doesn't mean you have to. Other lesbians existing do not negate your lesbianism.