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whateverthedragonswant · 1 year ago
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Rewatching 8x05 for writing reasons, which is just a brilliant episode, despite any reasons some might have to hate it, valid or invalid. Miguel Sapochnik is directing and you see his talent and epicness in every shot (that man deserves a freaking Emmy already, I said what I said) but also there are so many things being shown here that if you muted the episode after Daenerys makes her decision, during the battle scene, you would be able to tell exactly what each character is thinking and what's really going on in the story besides the surface action.
Which brings me to that one scene that a lot of people said the woman being attacked as a stand-in for Sansa in the episode for Jon. They are correct and here's how.
Jon is walking through the melee, only coming to life to defend himself when Lannister soldiers are trying to attack him. The Northerners aren't listening to him, they're attacking innocent civilians, Grey Worm is on a killing spree, Davos is trying to help people get away from the bloodshed, Dany is burning the city, Tyrion is off somewhere horrified, Cersei is watching in terror from the Red Keep... But during this scene, the sound is muted to a point where the sounds of battle happening all around Jon sound very far away. We're now seeing what Jon sees, we're in his shock fugue with him. We see on his left civilians, namely women, being brutalized by soldiers -> he keeps walking. We on his right a woman being knocked down to the ground while a child is watching in horror, blood spatter and bodies all around her (and obviously traumatized & also in danger herself since no one is left to protect her) -> he keeps walking. He then sees a Lanniser soldier telling people to run, something his soldiers should be doing (and something he himself should be doing like Davos) but he's not. While the sounds are still muted, Jon notices another Lannister soldier about to rush him and he goes into autopilot & fights the soldier off. He then looks around in horror.
This is not what he signed up for and he almost looks lost, like he doesn't know what to do. Then the sound comes back fully and he hears a scream. In all of the melee, chaos, and death around him, he hears this one woman above the rest and turns to see her being dragged into an alley to presumably be assaulted by one of his own men.
Sure enough, she's about to be and she is trying to crawl away when the man catches her again. Jon ends up saving her, threatening to run his sword through the man. When the latter tries to fight him off to go back to assault this woman, Jon kills him and tells the woman to hide.
So how is this woman standing in for Sansa besides the obvious?
Two ways.
1) Ramsay was the former Warden of the North, the former bastard of Roose Bolton who was a Northerner who "served" Robb Stark, the first King in the North, before betraying him to the Lannisters. The soldier Jon faces off with is a Northerner and is supposed to be under Jon's command as Warden of the North and the former second King in the North.
2) Sansa is who stirs Jon into action when he feels lost.
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And the parallels between the gif above with Dany and the dagger to the Northern soldier that had Jon's sword run through him, and Jon's staring almost sadly at the man, realizing he had to kill one of his own are far from being coincidental.
Not only was this a precursor to what would occur in 8x06 (and why Jon would make the decision he did) but it also is symbolic of the dynamic between Jon and Sansa as a whole. She's the one who stirs him into action, no matter how terrified or traumatized or angry he might be in that moment (like the shock fugue). No matter how lost he might feel. She gives him direction and dare I say a purpose when he has none (after his death; after the WW are defeated & Dany has gone into tyrant mode).
No wonder we weren't allowed to see Sansa's (or Arya's) reaction to the news of his being a Targaryen.
No wonder Jon told Melisandre not to bring him back if he lost the Battle of the Bastards (after Sansa told him if he lost, she wouldn't be going back to Ramsay alive).
No wonder Jon was not happy with Sansa on the dock in 8x06.
She's always stirred him into action when he doesn't want to be or know how to do it himself (after his death).
He passed a woman he could have saved.
He passed a child he could have helped.
He saw someone on the other side helping and doing the right thing.
The only time he steps in to help someone else is the woman about to be assaulted.
(x) "You are the shield that guards the realms of men. You've always tried to do the right thing. No matter the cost. You've tried to protect people. Who's the greatest threat to the people now?" (no reaction)
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"Do you think I'm the last man she'll execute? Who is more dangerous than the rightful heir to the Iron Throne?" (no reaction)
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"And your sisters? Do you see them bending the knee?" (a little bit of a reaction)
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"Why do you think Sansa told me the truth about you? Because she doesn't want Dany to be queen." (more of a reaction)
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"No, but you do. And you have to choose now." (he hesitatingly goes to confront Dany and then 🗡️)
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It's not just about her being his "sister" or because she's Lady Stark or family or because they were the last two Starks once upon a time. She literally stirs him into action and gives him purpose. Her pushing to go back to Winterfell led to him caring about the WW invasion again. Her being the one he chooses to protect ended a tyrant and changed history, leading for her to become the first Queen in the North and regain Northern Independence, where she can be forever safe.
It was always Sansa for him, starting in 6x04.
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branwinged · 4 months ago
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not to gotpost but my god they hated catelyn. like it was quite obvious they were not comfortable adapting a mother character who was emotionally abusive to one of the children in the household, and they either didn't have the time or didn't care enough to talk about the systemic prejudice bastards suffer in westeros and how that intersects with the disenfranchised status of noblewomen and the fundamental inequality of marriage, which obviously doesn't excuse catelyn's behaviour towards jon but gives you context to understand why she is like that. instead they framed it as an exclusively interpersonal conflict wherein catelyn was sort of made to look like the only one in the blasted continent who took issue with bastards and then this was turned into half of her personality which is how we got that incredible monologue about everything bad that has ever happened to the starks is because she 'couldn't love a motherless child'. now the really insidious thing about this is i'm certain the writers thought they were doing her character a favour, making her more likeable by having her expound on her flaws, because to them nothing was more discomfiting than a woman who would go to her grave completely unrepentant about being an inadequate mother, and i think this is also why they made her out to be so passive, constantly wanting to leave robb so she can return home to her youngest, because isn't that what a good, devoted mother would do? having littlefinger trick her into releasing jaime instead of it being a conscious and risky gamble because god forbid she exhibited any agency, even the agency to make mistakes in a tragedy. they turned her into a poor helpless woman who exists largely in the background for some audience sympathy, which is arguably the genre expectation her character is intentionally set up to fly in the face of in the books. because the northern war effort in books 1-3 was never robb's story, it was catelyn's. and they didn't get it. they didn't get it.
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morgana-pendragon · 3 months ago
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catelyn tully stark get behind me and the 10 other girls with braincells who follow me
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eight-pointed-star · 3 months ago
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WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS
also, please block #gotposting if you don't want to see any more posts about game of thrones
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likea-black-widow-baby · 2 years ago
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Peggy: Do I detect a hint of jealousy?
Angie: No, you detect a lot of jealousy.
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clawheld · 1 year ago
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Had to stop because I'm reeling at the dialogue in game of thrones that suggests when a person in that world thinks "wizard" they imagine a guy like this
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clair-de-lunar-tears · 2 years ago
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YoRHa unit 9S Targaryen
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whatsnewalycat · 4 months ago
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Melisandre: For the night is dark
Me in my head: AND FULL OF TERRORS!!!
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inkydoc · 5 months ago
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y'all did not just kill the only character i liked in this godforsaken show, no
yea joke's on me still watching the show that is famously lethal to characters with any semblance of a spine but y'know, i was hoping 😬😬😬
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whateverthedragonswant · 2 years ago
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Jon: "I had a choice."
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"Keep my crown"
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"Or protect the North"
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"I chose the North"
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superfluouskeys · 2 years ago
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also brienne is 6'3 just thought that was relevant :)
wow, amazing!!!!!!!!!!!! 👀👀👀👀👀🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
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eight-pointed-star · 3 months ago
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cersei and jamie suck but i could forgive them anything as long as they were fucking. when they broke up it was so over
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clawheld · 1 year ago
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It was cool reading game of thrones having been spoiled about a LOT of things, but without previously having context that gives any of it meaning. like, theres still a lot of surprises and suspense, and the things i did know about just made me wojack point at the subtext and foreshadowing lines. Hot take the book that spawned one of the most famous series in the world is p. good
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headgehug · 4 months ago
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forgive me for GoTposting but the hound is literally so fucking awesome every time he saves one of the girls or scowls and tells them not to do something stupid I burst into wild applause. what a great character
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liebgotts-lovergirl · 1 year ago
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Thank you for the Ask, bestie!! 💖
So I literally only have two things I'm working on rn (and one of them isn't even written-written so much as it's been a vaguely sketched out brainworm that I've fucked around with & may not even actually write lol) so this is gonna be a really short list lol 💀
FOF Chapter 28 (Liebgott x Spy!OC) ➡️ Band of Brothers
Trespass Sweetly Urged (Jaime Lannister x Martell/Targaryen!OC) ➡️Game of Thrones
Tagging: @ithinkabouttzu @mccall-muffin
Thank you so much for the tag @almost-a-class-act! 💖
Rules: post the names of all the files in your WIP folder, regardless of how non-descriptive or ridiculous. Let people send you an ask with the title that most intrigues them, and then post a little snippet or tell them something about it! Then tag as many people as you have WIPs.
Been having a ✨weird time✨ writing recently, so none of these have fun song lyric titles, but here we go:
For Whatever We Lose
Nixon x reader enemies to lovers
Speirs x reader Bastogne reunion
Lux x reader
Tagging (but no pressure!): @hxad-ovxr-hxart @mrs-murder-daddy @mads-weasley @liebgotts-lovergirl
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deerlirium · 1 year ago
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Not to gotpost in the year of our lord 2023 but like it’s so funny when baelish goes to see catelyn and is like hey you know how your husband got beheaded and those people that killed your husband have your daughter but I’ve been in love with you for like ever?? Well maybe we should do something about that lol
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