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awordwasthebeginning Ā· 27 days ago
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As I'm still processing, here's a thought I had last night shortly before falling asleep:
At this point, Outlander is a horror story from anyone's perspective but Claire's (if they weren't so fond of her, for whatever reason). Especially for Jamie.
That she's from the future, she's an extraordinary surgeon, she has access to medicinal knowledge (and tools, because Brianna is an extraordinary engineer, of course) otherwise unheard of in the 1780s - fine. She's the main character, it would've been a bit odd if she didn't contribute anything to the plot and died in childbirth in the second book.
But she has magic powers which now, apparently, extend to bringing back the dead, and she applies those twice: first, with one of the Cloudtree babies, and then again later with a bullet-riddled Jamie on the battlefield.
And imagine this: You're Jamie, you're in your 60s (or 70s?) now, you've been shot, flogged, stabbed, etc within an inch of your life multiple times by now. You've prepared for battle, you've written your will and settled your affairs as far as possible, you've said your goodbyes. You knew you might die. You lie on the battlefield in a pool of your own heart's blood with multiple bullets in your body, you feel your life ending, you even manage to say goodbye to your wife, nephew, and son-in-law one last time -
And your wife does not let you die.
Of course, Jamie loves Claire, so he's fine with this, but if he loved her less - he would have killed her years ago, because apparently he cannot die as long as she is still alive, and when does that stop being romantic and start being horrifying?
(Not to mention the Doylist issue that of course Jamie does not have any lasting physical issues afterwards, because if he were disabled by a bullet in his knee or whatever, then of course it would have been merciful to let him die, as it had been for Henri-Christian. The ableism isn't subtle.)
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cookie-de-baunilha Ā· 7 months ago
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Tbh the more I think about how Diana handled Percy in Bees, the more I wonder why she decided to write him into the main series in the first place. What was the point, really?
Everything he did could be achieved through a brand new character. Letā€™s say, Claude Beauchamp himself. Claude could be the one looking for Fergus. He could be the French spy that was once Johnā€™s opposite in the Black Chamber. John wouldnā€™t trust him anyway.
It just makes no sense to me, from a narrative standpoint, to bring a character from the LJG series, who shares a complicated history with John, and not have their relationship further developed/dealt with in any meaningful way to the characters.
Percy is connected to the main series through John, mostly, but they never had a single conversation about them that actually did something to further develop their dynamic (no, that brief conversation they had in the end of Bees added nothing new to their dynamic).
And this is not me saying that they necessarily had to get back together, mind you (even though Iā€™d like that very much), just that they neededā€¦ to talk. About them. About what happened 20 years before. Unresolved things. And from there Diana couldā€™ve gone anywhere really, writing them getting back together or not.
The thing is, the ending of BOTB ā€” sad and tragic as it is ā€” could pass as a satisfying closure to their relationship. So one could assume that bringing Percy back meant dealing with unfinished business between them, right? But Diana doesnā€™t even make an effort to do that.
So what was the point of Percy specifically? If we could easily have a different character doing the exact same things (with some adjustments)? It just screams bad writing to me, and, if I had to bet, thatā€™s also part of the reason why so many readers struggle to care about Percyā€™s storyline in the main series.
Because, yeah, most of them havenā€™t read the spin-off series, so they get pretty confused when they hit the first chapters of Echo. And what Percy brings to the table is essentially a political side plot with some mystery surrounding Fergus ā€” so, unless you get really interested in Fergusā€™ parentage storyline, Percyā€™s plot and overall presence becomes a big ā€œokā€¦ so what?ā€ (add that to the fact that 2 huge books later and the Fergus storyline still hasnā€™t gone anywhere, so even if you like that plot, which I do btw, you are gonna be frustrated by the lack of development).
What about Percyā€™s relationship with John? Well, that is not dealt with in any way, shape or form besides ā€œsomething happened between them in the past, John doesnā€™t trust himā€. So much so that the readers who havenā€™t read the LJG series have to either accept the vague informations that are given to them or search more about it online. Thereā€™s no emotional investment by the readers whatsoever because Diana doesnā€™t make them care at all.
Actually, thatā€™s a problem that also exists within Johnā€™s plot as a whole in the main series and the reason why so many readers struggle with his storyline in the later books (something something *John not having a character development in the main series* something something)ā€¦ but Iā€™m gonna leave that conversation for another post because this one is already too long.
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gotham-ruaidh Ā· 1 year ago
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Hey Gotham. Was reading Bees and came to Claire and Jamie's argument in chapter 37. What do you think Jamie means when he says this about picturing someone else in bed: ā€œI donā€™t.ā€ He gulped air, and took me by the arms. ā€œI donā€™t, Claire. Itā€™s only that Iā€™m afraid I might.ā€
I think he's afraid of his own mind and body. He has good reason to be afraid that he'd see someone else:
He did achieve climax during the ordeal at Wentworth (as a purely physical reaction, not because he wanted to) and feels so much shame about it
As we know, his brain was very muddled in the months after Wentworth (we know this from Jamie's dream early in Season 2 which shifts quickly from him smiling with Claire in bed to having Randall in bed)
There's a scene in one of the later books (following a scene where they're talking about Laoghaire) where a sleeping Jamie touches Claire in bed in a very business-like manner and Claire realizes that Jamie thinks he's touching Laoghaire
So to me, this fear is very well-grounded. He's open with Claire about it - he has many reasons for it - and while none of them are deliberate, that doesn't make it any less scary or painful for him.
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elasticmonk Ā· 1 month ago
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This is my go to 7 hour (and growing) Outlander playlist. Everything from soundtrack, to traditional Celtic, to songs I thought fit the vibe of both the Frasers and the playlist.
Tell me if you have a song in mind or come across one thatā€™s off-putting. šŸ˜Š
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bookishfreedom Ā· 2 years ago
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go tell the fur babies that i am goneā€¦
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lucasbarr Ā· 1 year ago
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Just finished Bees and yet again the Bree + Roger subplots are the least interesting to me but Iā€™m glad we got more of William and of Ian and Rachel! It kinda dragged on a bit with the day-to-day monotony of the Ridge (which I usually like but this was a lot) but overall I enjoyed the book!
Major Spoilers under Read More
John Cinnamon is my new favorite character! He is such a sweet young man and I think Iā€™m going to go back and read the Lord John series now too! Because it felt like I was missing something with the whole Percy subplot in MOBY + this book having not read it.
Like lowkey why is everyone other than Jaime and Claireā€™s immediate offspring (sans Willie) more interesting? Idk how Diana managed to create such an unlikeable little family unit with Brianna, Roger, and their kids (tho I do like Jeremiah, not so much Amanda) but such a rich supporting cast!
Also why give Brianna a heart condition if itā€™s just magically going to be fixed by her being pregnant?!
I will say though itā€™s interesting that Davy isnā€™t a time traveller like his siblings. Makes you wonder if Fergus (who I am also choosing to believe is La Comteā€™s son) is a traveller or not and what this means for Claire and her family. Also makes one wonder if Percyā€™s family that he married into or even Fergus himself might be one of her ancestors šŸ‘€
The Richardson subplot isā€¦šŸ˜¬ Why would you make an abolitionist the main villian! Not to mention he has African American ancestry! Diana WTF? Your racism is showing in this book šŸ¤¦ā€ā™€ļø Not to mention the plot with Ulysses/Joseph Stevensā€¦ like Diana why???
I am also choosing to believe that Totis is Ianā€™s son! He is such a sweet addition to the household, even if the reasons were a bit strenuous in the book. Though I am also intrigued by the Jenny/Joseph Brantā€™s Uncle romance. Though I donā€™t know why Claire didnā€™t tell Jenny that the war would be over in a matter of months? šŸ¤”
Makes me wonder why sheā€™s decided to kill off Percy and what this means for the Percy & Fergus storyline.
And why in hell Hal want to see Ben! Like I was under the impression that Amaranthus was in cahoots with Ben and then she went to see him and saw him with a other woman which came out of nowhere. Honestly it would have been more interesting if sheā€™d known and went be with him and left Trevor with the Willie and Lord John. Bye maybe the whole widow thing is a ruse and she lied about the other woman and maybe she is in on it?
Though it makes me wonder if Hal made the poison to poison Benā€¦
Like I wonder if William will take Amatanthus up on her offer and pass off his title and estates to their kid. Like obviously thatā€™s what Ben did with her and why I thought that Amarantus was more involved with the plan than we saw (esp with her reaction when she went to see him) though Iā€™m dubious about whether her account of the events is true or not.
I mean the way she brazenly suggested the plan that Ben had gone through with seemed suspicious to me!
I think Richardson is involved with Rob Cameron in some way and that the gold is going to come into play. Again, weird choice of villain with Richardson being an abolitionist but I guess weā€™ll just have to wait and see.
And also WTF happen to Ulysses? Is he dead? I know Duncan was one of his men but like why didnā€™t you just tell him she was in Nova Scotia? Just be vague and then he might not have tried to ya know oust Jaime and that whole skirmish!
Like I want to see less filler (or just more with beloved characters like Lizzie!) and more streamlining from the editor on the major plot points!
Also WTF happened to Buck!
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beasanfi1997 Ā· 1 year ago
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Outlander will end with season eight based in Written in My Own Heart's Blood but Diana Gabaldon had Just wrote go tell the bees that i am gone and now She Is going to write the tenth book and It means that they will transform in the movies the Last two books as they did It with Downtown Abbey
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inlovewithquotes Ā· 1 year ago
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When ye ha' barins, there's that wee time when ye really are all they need. And then they leave your arms and ye're scairt all over again, because now ye ken all the things that could harm them, and you not able to keep them from it.
-Go Tell The Bees That I Am Gone
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ladywynneoutlander Ā· 1 year ago
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I remember once, goinā€™ into the chapel of Saint Sebastian in the wee hours of the morning, long before dawn--almost all the candles were burnt out--and hearinā€™ someone playing a guitar, singing.Ā  Very soft, not playing to be heard, ken.Ā  Justā€¦singing before God.ā€
Something odd moved in his eyes at the recollection, but then he smiled at her again, a rueful smile.
ā€œI think that may be the last music I remember really hearing.ā€
Sheā€™d never before seen a look on his face as she did when he called back that song for her, but quite suddenly she felt what he had felt in the depth of that distant night, and understood why he found peace in silent spaces.
~Excerpt "Jamie Reflects" from Go Tell the Bees that I am Gone by Diana Gabaldon
ā¬†ļø The "Ave Maria" we hear in the trailers for season seven reminds me of this sweet passage. I had the thought, what if it were Roger he heard that night? I don't know why he would have been there, but part of me hopes it was him. šŸ§”
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popfishjr Ā· 1 year ago
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Someone should match book titles with characters like
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ladywynne Ā· 2 years ago
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Books 2022
What I finished this year.
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The Last Wish Andrzej Sapkowski
This was my dive into the Witcher books after watching seasons one and two on Netflix. I read The Last Wish first based the recommendation of the article below. It's a fun read and a good introduction to Geralt and Dandelion (Jaskier).
Sword of Destiny Andrzej Sapkowski
The author uses Geralt, a man who is said to possess no emotion, to explore the human experience in a unique way. Enjoy the fantasy backdrop, but don't be surprised when you find yourself asking questions about morality, love, or the meaning of progress.
Go Tell the Bees that I am Gone Diana Gabaldon
The tenth book of the Outlander series. This installment continues the story of an ensemble of characters centered around the beloved Jamie and Claire. There are surprises and an ongoing war, but also the peace of the mountains, and everything is interwoven with love.
Small Magic - Terry Brooks
Fans of Brooks' various worlds will enjoy hearing more about and the characters that inhabit them. I thought the Landover stories were particularly charming, and I mean, dragon.
Star Wars Resistance Reborn - Rebecca Roanhorse
This book covers the time between The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker. It details how the few survivors of Crait work to rebuild the resistance. It also talks about the aftermath of Poe's mutiny. He has to find a way to recover his honor personally and in the eyes of the Resistance.
Dune - Frank Herbert
This book didn't hold my attention like I thought it would until close to the end. But it was interesting and epic in a different way than other sci-fi options. Also, Paul Atreides lowkey terrifies me.
I listened on Audible and the production quality was the best I have ever heard. There were multiple voice actors, sound effects, and a bit of music.
A Fractured Mind - Robert Oxnam
This is a fascinating personal account of Dissociative Identity Disorder. Oscar Isaac read it as he prepared to play Marc Spector.
Comics
Poe Dameron 001 - 021 (working to collect the rest!)
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awordwasthebeginning Ā· 1 month ago
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Do we. Do we really need to go into the details of Jamie's trauma with Black Jack again
Is it, at this point, really important that he looks like Frank (or vice versa)??
Also if I ever have to read about that damned pig again (an actual pig, not Jack Randall), I'm going to throw something.
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cookie-de-baunilha Ā· 1 year ago
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Go Tell the Bees That I Am Gone spoilers? - Richardson
So far Iā€™ve only read some random scenes from Bees so let me get this straightā€¦
Richardson is an abolitionist??
Is Diana Gabaldon for real? Writing the current big bad guy as an abolitionist??? How tf did she think this was a good idea??
Someone please tell me Iā€™ve got it wrong. I havenā€™t read the whole book so I might be missing important things here.
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gotham-ruaidh Ā· 2 years ago
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I am confused whether Bree and Roger's son from book 9 is unable to travel or not? It was not clear to me when i read the book. What you think of it?
Wee Davie MacKenzie isn't able to travel.
Meaning, that it's very unlikely that Brianna and Roger and Jem and Mandy will ever return to the 20th century
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beefsteakclub Ā· 1 year ago
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For those of you who read go tell the bees I am gone:
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uasal Ā· 8 months ago
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I did not think of this but now that youā€™ve said it I think youā€™re really on to something
Bees stuff
Please tell me Iā€™m not the only one who thinks a relationship with John Cinnamon would suit William waaaaaaayy better than a relationship with Aramanthus?
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