#general Ironwood

[rwby-encrusted-blog]

Ironwood: ALRIGHT MEN! ALIENS ARE REAL! First; We must treat them with respect from a distance; Secondly! We must wait for our scientists to collaborate until we can determine the physical compatibility of our immune systems and Microorganic beings! Which means now handholding, no hugging, no Kissing and no Sexual intercourse!

Jaune: QUESTION, SIR!

Ironwood: Yes Private!

Jaune: I HAVE HAD SEX WITH AN EXTRATERRESTRIAL!

Ironwood: You WHAT!

Jaune: I Have done nothing but Fuck an Alien for the past three days!

The Squad: ...

Qrow: ... What was it like?

Jaune: You really Don't know?

Qrow: *Also definitely fucked an alien* ... No.

[tumblingxelian]

OK I am just gonna say it.

In regards to the whole "The writers said Ironwood sacraficing his arm means he is giving up his humanity" thing?

I think that they are 100% talking from Ironwood's perspective there.

Now hear me out.

Ironwood is one of the people who most dehumanizes Penny. Yeah sure he's superficially 'nice' when everything is going his way. Be he explicitly had her made as a weapon and the moment its more convenient to treat her as a tool than a person he does so.

Ironwood is fucking weird about his prosthetics. He is always trying to hide them until they are too bulky to cover up with clothing. He's clearly deeply uncomfortable with them and defaults to blaming them for his own behavior.

Compare & contrast to other characters. All of the heroic characters constantly emphasize Penny's personhood and even when disagreeing with her never start couching their language in commands but convincing arguments as they would anyone else.

What's more, Yang, Maria, Fox, Pietro & hell even Tyrian all wear their prosthetics or disabilities very openly and without shame. The shows framing, theme & narrative do not present these things as some kind of loss of humanity or otherwise as a negative. If "Prosthetics eat your soul" was a thing the writers actually felt, it would be more obvious.

Note: I am unsure whether the writers regard Penny as disabled, so I didn't put her with the others.

Penny's new body. Much for much-ness is made about Penny "Becoming a real girl" as though the show hadn't consistently treated her as one from her first moment on screen. & while ignoring the fact that her new body was clearly a magical/Aura construct given it was made up of wobbly green energies under a scan not flesh and bone like other characters.

Even if we ignore all that, when it comes to her new body and that whole angle, while she did show an appreciation for her new tactile senses, she was also shown to be far more vulnerable & generally to be struggling with the new body & it ultimately led to her fall.

This is very much not on brand if we were meant to regard her mechanical form as some kind of problem outside of how others used it to mistreat her.

One of Atlas's core themes' is dehumanization. The people pf Mantle are dehumanized into a faceless mob, a few city blocks that can easily be crushed beneath Ironwood's heel.

Cinder Fall was "adopted" into child slavery where the rights of her abusers to own and harm her always took precedence over her humanity.

The Ace-Ops are trained to regard themselves, their fellows & everyone else as inherently expendable. Cogs in a machine that can be replaced and should not be cared for or mourned.

& most integrally, when Ironwood sacrificed his arm so he could beat Watts. When he had Watts dangling over a lava pit & said he would sacrifice anything to beat Salem. Watts smirked. Because Watt's knew Ironwood's penchant to view harming himself or others as "Ruthlessness" and thus pragmatism was alive & well & would destroy him. Which it did.

The 'other' statement. There is one other line people point to, namely Yang's V8 line, regarding "The mechanical bits are just extra" as somehow ableist. Even ignoring as I said before that I am unsure CRWBY even regard Penny as disabled, or as equivalent to a person using prosthetics. The fact is, I can only view taking that statement as dehumanizing Penny by virtue of her mechanical nature as at best, misinterpreting Yang's statement.

Seriously, they are talking about the fact Penny will still have a soul. IE the very metric of personhood that's used to define every person in universe! It'd be no different if she was made of clay or cloned flesh.

Conclusion. As I said above, if the writers really felt that way about prosthetics, it would be much more overt than one off hand statement that very much seems to reflect Ironwood's thinking not the writers. Ironwood thinks giving up his arm and replacing them with prosthetics is something that makes him less human, a trait he explicitly admired in/projected onto Salem. It makes so much more sense for the writers to be commenting on Ironwood';'s thought process here given it thematically does not align with the rest of the show at all otherwise.

[lord-of-rain]

Ironwood: And that concludes the situation update. Any questions?

Ruby: *raises her hand*

Ironwood: I swear to the fucking brothers. If you suggest that you and Arc make more silver-eyed warriors again, I will shoot you.

Ruby: *lowers her hand*

[rnlacc]

The artificer and his *bird*.

RWBY RPG collab that I took part in.

[but-a-humble-goon]

Some Atlas techie was like “this arm’s supposed to be for civilian use right? You said she was a student? Is the gun really necessary?” and presumably Ironwood who’s been looming over his shoulder ruthlessly monitoring his progress the whole time was like “I���ve known Yang Xiao Long for five minutes give or take so I can say with absolute confidence that she’s going to want a gun in this thing.”

[notmaplemable]

Ironwood: The previous grimm attack was devastating, but as long as the spirit of Atlas remains, we shall fight on.

Winter: General, the caffeine reserves were destroyed.

Ironwood: Then all is lost.

[ironwoodprotectionsquad]

I just- no matter how “joking” this is meant to be I cannot comprehend calling an in universe minority and a triple amputee “trash”. They’d probably argue it’s because they’re “eViL” ignoring how the crafting of their stories and how they became “evil” is rooted in racism and ableism.

[iamafanofcartoons]

Remember how people claimed that team rwby had no plan, that ironwood was the real hero, and that ruby somehow had a messiah complex?

The Finale of V9 basically showed every Ironwood Simp that Ruby’s plan worked!

Team RWBY made the right call, and Ironwood failed.

Somebody pick up that phone, because I FUCKING CALLED IT!

@instantbee thanks for the screenshot!

#GREENLIGHTVOLUME10 

[lwde-encrusted-sideblog]

Jaune: I can't believe I'm gonna have sex on the desk of the Atlesian General.

Penny: It's somewhat Exhilarating, yes? So long as we ensure to disinfect the area, we should not be caught! I will access the Cameras so we are not seen, and the door will remain locked until we leave!

~Later~

Ironwood: *Looking around suspiciously*

Ironwood: ... Someone Fucked in here. No alcohol, so it wasn't Qrow ... No Perfume, so it wasn't Winter ... The Ace-ops were out on a mission, so none of them could've done it ... Robyn wouldn't have bothered to clean up.

Ironwood: So who had sex in my office?

[matt0044]

I often feel like the FNDM, especially Anime fans, are odd for trying to whitewash Ironwood’s actions or claiming they came out of nowhere. When frankly, a lot of the appeal for Anime growing up was how it was animation that depicted types of characters that even adult animation weren’t known for.

For all the memes, what made the likes of Death Note fascinating was how Light and L were very much people you would never wanna be friends with but were infinitely fascinating for how their minds works. How they each saw themselves in the right and why. It among other gateway Anime were appealing for their character writing being challenging at times.

But we also have to contend with the whole “Wow, cool robot” side of fandoms where Ironwood’s “cool” battles and swagger make many overlook that he’s… not exactly a guy you’d see a movie with.

I LOVE characters that are not easy to like or they kind that I’d punch in the gut if I had the nerve. One of the rewarding things about RWBY was seeing how the usual likable cast of archetypes being fleshed out into people who asked you to look beyond initial impressions.

Yet it seems like fandom is constantly paying lip service to this type of character that they dilute in their mind. I don’t know if it’s Social Media itself or something that’s always been there but getting worse but we need fandoms to practice what they preach when they asked for “more complex characters.” Especially when they’re not white and/or guys.

[rwby-encrusted-blog]

More Overwatch/RWBY Crossovers

Rammatra: So Your kind has been subjugated by Humans as Well?

Adam: Yes. And I will make them Pay for what they've done.

Rammatra: Finally! Someone that Makes Sense on this Planet.

~~~~~

Brigitte: I hear you've got a large Family Too?

Jaune: Yep! Seven Sisters, and I love 'em no matter how many times they braid my hair or put me in dresses.

Brigitte: *Giggling* I've got Seven siblings too, but I can't imagine growing up the only Girl.

Jaune: Being the odd one out is always a hassle.

~~~~~

Moira: My, My, what an interesting Attempt at Grafting.

Cinder: *hiding her Grimm arm* I am not One of your experiments!

Moira: If you keep that Attitude up, you will be.

~~~~~

Ana: It's always nice to meet another that Fights the Good Fight.

Maria: *Chuckling* It's Always nice to get into a Good Fight!

Ana: That it can be, That it can be.

~~~~~

Arthur: GRRR! WHO MESSED WITH MY COMPUTER-

Sh4d0w: Nice Organization Sparky. It made it Real easy to find what I needed.

Arthur: *slams fist on Desk*

~~~~~

Cassidy: I Had a Boss like you Once. Didn't Like 'im all that much.

Ironwood: So long as you follow my orders, there won't be a problem.

Cassidy: That's Funny. He'd say the exact same thing.

[totallyrwbyquotes]

Camilla: Uh, s-sir...!

Ironwood, looking at Salem's invasion: I've been told... To think about the ocean, when I'm stressed, and i look at THAT, and I'm REAL stressed. *Turns around*

Camilla: Sir, you're the General!

Ironwood: Imma go to my room, imma think about the ocean... Bye guys, I'm peacin' out. You guys can handle this. *Leaves*

Camilla: Sir, you are the RULER of this kingdom, you have to ACT!!!

[tumblingxelian]

He Does not "Fit the Setting Better" than the MCs

There's a fundamentally idiotic claim that the "Only reason" Ironwood was a villain is because he's the only one who acts like he lives in a death world & in a gritter, more "Realistic" series he'd be a hero. To anyone with even a grasp of world building this is patently absurd.

Ironwood does not grasp the world of Remnant better than others, frankly he grasps how it works far less than almost anyone! Negative emotions lure Grimm and yet he perpetually does things that piss off, alienate, scare, or depress large quantities of people.

He's hilariously ill-equipped for the setting that he's in not because its a hope-punk setting, but because he ignores anything that doesn't align with his personal biases. He keeps trying to rely on his army, which even with a bloated runaway budget, is not actually that effective at fighting the Grimm.

Not for tonal reasons, but because Grimm are really fucking strong.

As in, his mechanical soldiers and regular troops can barely kill the lowest tier Grimm when they have them outnumbered & the Grimm pretty much always have the numerical advantage. We see stuff like missiles launched at an approaching horde just get shrugged off thanks to their incredible durability and once the Grimm are inside the city most of Atlas's battleships are useless.

His overarching plan before his total decline into fascism involved sending his already ill-equipped army to three other nations to "restore order" after he causes mass panic by announcing "Hey guys, turns out the horrible death monsters that infest our world have a millennia old boss whose magic and like, super smart, but don't worry we got you!".

Then expecting that not not end in disaster when most other countries don't like or trust Atlas that much. Especially after he bailed on Mistral in Volume 4/5 the moment he suspected there might be an attack, leaving them to wither on the vine, and thus showing how fickle his supposed loyalty to his allies really is.

Oh, he also needs to be reminded scouts exist for a reason, as his default response to a perceived or potential threat is to send his army stomping into the region blindly and just assuming they can muscle their way to victory. & keep in mind, the wilds he wanted to send said army to is where Grimm are and they outnumber his army vastly.

So their numbers would not avail them as they sometimes did in smaller arenas, where said army was backed up by actual Huntsmen and Huntresses, & can thus be useful by playing support. Rather than getting shredded by things way too big, fast and durable for them to easily kill in notable number before being overwhelmed.

Ironwood's not behaving appropriately for the world he lives in, nor is he a man in the wrong genre. He's a man obsessed with military bravado who got drunk on his nations propagandized idea of itself as a place held to a higher standard that helps out the lesser kingdoms and utterly vital to the world. When its usually just blundering around guns blazing and causing problems.

He's not a "General Ripper" type stuck in a sparkly, twee, the power of love setting. He's a self proclaimed four star general who never fought in war, let alone led an army through a war. Who holds an an fannish affection for technology he consistently fails to understand given his shitty grasp of tings like cyber-security.

If he was in a "Grittier" setting, Ironwood would still be a fuck up.

Because Ironwood's issues things like his ego, hypocrisy and a genuine lack of certain skills, with a penchant for paranoid, overly sensitive, over the top reactions that are extremely easy to provoke. Flaws that would not serve him well in any setting, genre or world!

[rnlacc]

Have you considered longer haired Jimmy?

[but-a-humble-goon]

Love that RWBY Volume 7 said you can take your ruthless "pragmatism" and shove it up your ass. A humanity that chooses expediency over morality, that has decided the innocent are expendable, that has reduced human lives to statistics, that has thrown away everything that seperates us from the literal soulless monsters clawing at our walls out of fear is not a humanity worth fighting for. Our strength isn't in what we're willing to sacrifice, it's in what we're not.

[notmaplemable]

Jaune: General, I have a question.

Ironwood: Then please, ask away.

Jaune: Why do all of the military huntsmen have the rank of specialist? Doesn't that just make everything confusing?

Ironwood: No no no, you see Arc, the reason is- Is that a pack of MILFs!?

Jaune: Where!?

Ironwood: *Runs out of the room*