#for the mention kf Jay

[kindaasrikal]

Cole and Nya’s relationship is very special to me, even despite the love triangle thing, which you could technically say helped develop their relationship. Especially with how it links to their mothers.

Cole and Nya are both familiar with loss, specifically in regard to their parents. They both lost a parent(s) at a young age, and quickly became independent because of it. They learnt how to survive on their own without depending too much on their only family left. They both care deeply for the ones they love and are sensitive to their emotions, and when they were left with only Lou/Kai as their only family, they didn’t want to rely on two people deep in grief and were deeply effected by that loss.

They both are stubborn and sure, protective and confident, but they are both also soft and kind underneath all their layers, Cole showing that more than Nya.

I like to think that while the whole love triangle thing and love machine fiasco was annoying, you could actually twist it to show how it developed their relationship. Jay is the one Nya loves, that is not something you can change or even disagree on, seeing as she was willing to lose everything that makes her her for him, but the perfect match machine doesn’t have time be explicitly based on romantic interest. The machine is essentially like a ‘soulmate finder’, so it’s easy to say that one of Nya’s soulmates are Cole.

Soulmates have been shown in many different ways, and in this case its not showing a soulmate in the sense of a ‘one true pair’ or someone who you are inexplicably tied too, but someone who understands and can click with you a whole lot easier than most.

That buddied up with the whole love triangle thing definitely helped Cole and Nya realise how similar they are to each other, and how they deeply care for each other as siblings. Almost like twin siblings if I’m being honest. They don’t give a younger and older sibling vibe thats for sure. More like two twins where one is an aggressive wild animal and the other is also a wild animal but they don’t have as much of a temper as the other weirdo.

My favourite scene of their relationship is in Dragons Rising where Nya hold her hands against Cole’s cheek after not seeing him for months upon months.

Now about their mothers….

Knowing all of this, connecting it to how they both see their mother in each other seems so much more special.

Cole and Maya have both said ‘Its how the cookie crumbles’, both in relation to Nya. After Nya was possessed by the overlord, Cole tries to comfort everyone by saying that line, implying how its just how things must be, the same way Maya has towards Nya specifically, telling her that life is difficult, no matter what we try. Nya doesn’t know they both have said this, but its still so important how its come in full circle towards her, from her beginning all the way to her supposed end.

And then you remember how both Nya and Lily have worn the same kimono. The same kimono Lily wore, and the one that Cole gave to Nya.

ITS THE EXACT SAME.

Cole willingly gave him dead mother’s kimono to Nya, his sister.

Nya and Cole were never supposed to be in a romantic relationship, they were both have such a strong platonic love for each other it hurts. They both have similar experiences and similar personalities yet still have their differences, but those differences aren’t as big as most people would’ve expected.

I love these two so much they so deeply care for each other im going to cry i hope they don’t die for Jay.

[kidflashimpulse]

Since we're talking about West-Allen-Garrick Family Headcanons, I think right after Wally's death there was so much tension within the whole family. Bart said in season three (I think it was episode sixteen) that the public never realized it was a different guy in the suit. I feel like when Bart first became KF, the public never noticed and the League never said the original Kid Flash died, so he just kept being Wally if you get what I mean. Like another anon said, the Wests definitely felt uncomfortable around Bart and just avoided him in their grief. Barry and I can even see Jay accidentally calling Bart "Wally" and then regretting it immediately. I just think the few months from Wally's death created such an uncomfortable atmosphere in all three households, so instead Bart just threw himself into hero work and just avoided everyone most of the time. Adding onto the fact, that the Reach is gone, Bart's mission is fully complete, now he has to face all his trauma and start truly living without surviving. He probably doesn't know what he wants to do when he's older or even thought about his dating life. So with all of the trauma and the fact that the flashfam is a mess, I feel like slowly Jay, Joan, Barry, and Iris started finding out about his life before coming back to the past. Then they kinda just realize they have a really traumatized fourteen-year-old. I like to think that after everything comes to light, the whole family including Rudy and Mary starts to heal together. Anyway sorry for rambling lmao, I really like your fics, especially AAIT :)

Also, love the idea of the League, especially Bruce (he's a good dad in YJA and knows exactly how Barry is feeling cause of Jason) helps Barry through his grief cause I'm a sucker for the League becoming found family.

no worries I LOVE reading other ppls thoughts, thank u sm for sharing it with us <33

100% agree on the tension and how Bart pretty much throws himself into hero work, tbh I HC that even till this point in Phantoms he throws himself into it, because if anyone can its him, his speed definitely helps with him juggling everything. Though of course as he starts to have a more normal life, dating Ed and being comfortable with his family he has reasons to take it easier, though I do think he's used to just always taking things on without second guessing whether he has the time. 

Also agree on the League not publicising Wallys death because as Jaime mentioned when they were in the grotto, the League doesn't want to publicise that they're not immortal, and that ppl thought he was just the same BB as Ted Kord in another costume. Its pretty much suggested that the same happened to Bart as KF, especially since he started out wearing Wallys exact same costume. Most probably over the years with more coverage and musings ppl realise he's a different guy, especially with his new suit, but like he mentioned its doesn't really click for everyone that he's not Wally. 

About what u said on the League, particularly Bruce and Barry, it kinda reminds me of how dead-set I am on how incredibly weighted/awkward (thats not the right word but its not coming to me rn lol) Clarks role as a Leaguer (and long time friend of Barrys) is and at the same time knowing that something is going on with Barts disappearance. All this time Barry, someone with a very much known history (among the League, like Bruce) of having lost a family member and legacy act, going through two weeks of having zero idea where Bart is, someone, who has filled in the very role of the person who was famously lost. Like just the weight of this situation itself is actually wild? And the nobility in Clarks actions of keeping his word when it matters aside, its actually lowkey such a dick move LMAO Barry was out there probably not having a great time (understatement of the century); Jay ended up needing therapy and Clark is just there like 

If I had the money I would PAY to see all these type of scenes lol 

[theaspen]

A LIFE 4 A LIFE, CHAPTER 3

Summary : Four bodies, Four different locations and just one person connecting them all.

Genre: thriller, angst, mystery

Warnings: suicides, mentions of suicide, curse words, knifes, blood, extreme bullying and stuff like that.

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A/N: I'm sorry I'm late as fuck, exams happened and after that I got really sick I had no energy left. This chapter below actually contains some pretty harsh descriptions of bullying and I just wanted to say that in no way do i condone bullying and I absolutely am not representing the actual enhypen this way. All of them are angels in real life. This is simply a work of fiction. With that being said, this chapter is pretty short and I'm not satisfied so I'm sorry :(((. Feel free to drop theories or send me an ask!! <333

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Previous. Chapter 3. Next

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Splash

The sound echoed throughout the room along with cruel laughter. Jungwon made sure to keep a blank face determined to not let his discomfort show through. The boys around him laughed again, this time Jake had kept a tighter hold on his hair and dunked him in the bucket of water again. it's okay, it's okay Jungwkn repeated to himself as he tried desperately to not let the lack of oxygen affect him again. He knew that they wouldn’t let him die but it didn’t make his experience any better. The only comfort was that they would bring his head back up again to let him breathe. And in the end he would survive.

This time when his head was bought out kf the water, Jake took a moment to examine his face looking to see if the poor boy was tortured enough or not. From the corner of his eyes Jungwon could spot Jay quickly unlocking his phone and holding it up , recording him with a sick gleeful expression on his face. He wasn’t the only one that was seeking entertainment from this tho, around Jake were Sunghoon and Heesung who looked simply unbothered like this was a regular happening, which it was ans Jungwon could only hope they get bored

Jungwons eyes had however shifted back to Jake’s face, he immediately put on a pitiful expression. Months of experience had quickly taught him to fake his emotions very well. With the help of Jake and his friends he knew just when to remain blank, when to look scared and when to look tough

Jake suddenly scoffed and Jungwon hoped that this was a sign he was done for the day, however he dunked Jungwon' head back in the water , catching him off guard as some of the water went in his nose. Jake repeated this action several times not caring about how Jungwons legs had gone limp and his hands were tired from flying everywhere. He was too tired to fight this anymore. The fifth time His head was under water however, Jungwon could feel himself losing consciousnesses

The water below him seemed to turn denser, thicker and somewhat murky and black. The water seemed to have hands of its own slowly twisting and turning to wrap itself towards Jungwons throat. The bucket seemed to have stretched and turned itself into a tunnel. Jungwon flashed and sprahed at this but the water kept its hold forcing Jungwon to see the scene that played out before him.

It was the day Jake's body had been found. With eerily similar details, Jungwon could see the police officers hauling out his body and the memory played seemed to be fresh, like it happened yesterday and Jungwon could even smell everything to his distaste. He gripped his hands on the bucket forcing himself to get his head out of the water but perhaps he should have stayed in and let the water suffocate him, as anything would have been better than the sight that met his eyes when he got out.

It was Jake again, but not the alive one. It was Jake with the ruined face, the bloated lips and eyes. The green tinge surrounding him. It was Jake with the same pale skin looking even worse than he did in the well. Jungwon watched petrified as worms crawled around his skin moving in and out of him slithering around. Jungwon wanted to run away, he wanted to vomit and scream but he could only watch petrified as Jake's lips opened up and began to move despite him supposedly being dead,

"It's all your fault."

And then Jungwon woke up.

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Everyone has nightmares, who doesn't?

That's what Jungwon kept telling himself, however he doubted if everyone had nightmares as bad as his. Most of them filled with dead bodies and repressed memories returning and slowly eating him and his sleep.

The weather seemed to match his mood today. The slow walks to the school everyday seemed to give him more anxiety filled thoughts. Every day felt like a suicide mission and the atmosphere of the school, if it wasn't bad before it was even worse now.

Jake's group of friends seemed to have split in two. Gone were the days they picked on Jungwon for their own amusement, now they went around with sullen expressions keeping quiet. Jungwon had thought that their friendship with Jake was simply fake like how it was with everyone else. But judging by their mourning faces he began to doubt their bond.

Jungwon's eyes looked up from the ground at the noise he heard from his school. Taking a closer look he noticed a large crowd with their phones up. Jungwon's stomach lurched and everything in his mind screamed at him to run away. Despite that he threw his bag on the ground and ran towards the ground pushing and jostking against the students who cursed at him.

With every step he got closer he could distinctly hear someone sobbing and see everyone holding their hands on their face with a disbelieving expression on their faces.

Jungwon swept towards the front, finally able to get a view of whatever was going on and immediately slipped down. His eyes as wide as saucers and his lower lip trembling. Jungwon couldn't feel the various hands that held him when he fell down. Right now, he couldn't really feel anything at all. Too much in shock and horror.

Sunghoon and Heesung are beside Jungwon too. Showing similar expressions of horror. Jungwon could notice Heesung's hand trembling widely and he wondered how the boy hadn't passed out the way he was shaking.

Nikki was the closest to the scene of blood, on his knees and letting out a gut wrenching sob not able to do anything but hold Jay's , his own brother's hand, the hand that was covered with blood.

For a few moments the crowd couldn't do anything but stare at the dead body of Jay. That seemed to have fallen besides the Janitors closet. His eyes were closed and his uniform was stained with red and there was no other way to say it, Jay was dead. Dead and gone.

That wasn't the only shocking thing however, if the horror today he witnessed wasn't enough beside Jay was his familiar red and white cellphone. The cellphone was blaring with its brightness full, mockingly displaying Jay's own photo of him dead.

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Taglist is open!!

@mykalon @lacunaisjustanalibi @hiqhkey

[westallenhugs]

You don't have to hate on Cait because she told Iris she would get Frost back on her own. She just doesn't want the team to get hurt. If Iris said it you would be cheering her on.

Two things:

1. Producers have said that “We are the Flash” is a theme for the rest of the season. It’s not hating to point out that most of the characters seem to be stressing this team concept except CS who said she could get KF back on her own.

2. CS going it alone hasn’t worked in the past so she should probably stop trying this particular strategy.

S1: CS learns Ronnie is alive and tries to find a solution to “make him whole” on her own. When that doesn’t work out she decides to move on and “find someone new to be crazy about”. Poor Ronnie/Stein were living under a bridge eating garbage until Wells steps in months later and says they have to find Ronnie because he almost killed someone. And, oh look, it only took anti-psychotics to mentally stabilize them.

S2: CS is committed to finding Jay’s doppelgänger to save him but when Jay tells her his doppelgänger’s name is Hunter Z in 2x11 she fails to mention this to team. It’s not until months later in 2x18 that she tells the team Jay’s E1 doppleganger’s name and Harry makes the connection that E2 Hunter is a psychopathic killer.

S3: CS secretly takes a piece of the philosopher’s stone to try to figure out a way to get rid of her powers. She never finds a solution and Wally ends up suffering in the speedforce after Savitar manipulates him.

Yes, it’s true that if CS hadn’t taken a piece of the stone, Savitar would have gotten out of the speedforce earlier in 3x09 but it’s also questionable why Savitar just didn’t take the whole stone from his buddy Alchemy to begin with.

More S3: CS decides not to take the cure that the team and her mom developed. Instead she leaves the team all together and seeks the help of a criminal who is selling metas on the black market and spends months as her muscle.

If Iris consistently did something that had a negative impact on people or delayed the team in some way I would have an issue with that too. But she doesn’t.

[valeriemperez]

Run, Iris, Run! Tati, what I loved about tonight’s ⚡️ episode is it solidified the fact that B+I are a partnership. They, are TF. There is no ⚡️without Iris West-Allen. Equally, there is no Thinker without Marlize. I’m really looking forward to both Power couples epic showdown. Although I loved seeing Jay and Jesse, I felt Wally’s absence. I think mystery girl is being trained by Jay. The WA scenes were cute, but I’m a butthead and have a problem with Joecile getting it in more than WA *RME*

I totally agree with you about the episode. We saw Barry be Iris’ strength in 4.10 and now Iris was Barry’s in 4.15. As much as that was true of Marlize and Devoe, they’re falling apart now and that will be their (or at least Clifford’s) downfall. With you on missing Wally and on “mystery girl,” lol. But I will say I find Joe and Cecile adorable, and they have more time/less stress than our babies. Who are totally due for a second honeymoon by the end of the season!

I think #ABiggerWorldForIris sounds like a trend that could be used more than once in the future.

Yes! And for now we’re using it daily, so keep on sending ideas to the writers.

ok. next time Dawn shows up we HAVE to make some progress on her story, it's starting to drag out a little too long now. I'm starting to think it's definitely Season 5 material though. also it seems to me like she knows of Caitlin and Harry as bad guys, based on her reaction to them

My guess is she knows Cait as a bad guy, KF, whereas she only knows Harry by reputation because he was gone by the time she was old enough to notice. (Probably retired on E2, lol, not dead. Unless she’s from the far future after Barry and Iris moved there.)

yes, i know there's an age difference, but i'm telling you, i wouldn't mind them hooking up Caitlin and Wells.

They’re both adults well past their high school/college years, and I wouldn’t mind either!

Tati do you think the flash fandom, not including the racists and misogynsts because the obviously are incredibly aggressive, but the general flash fandom including wa stans can sometimes be a bit too aggressive and one-sided in their opinions? All my accounts are completely devoted to wa but I do care about all the other characters and sometimes feel scared to voice my support or opinion on them because I'll get backlash for focusing on things outside of comic canon

This is absolutely true of not only The Flash fandom, but any passionate fandom that has prominent ships. The more people engage with the material, the more more extreme their views become. And how do people most easily engage? Through ships, whether it’s loving one canon or fanon ship and brooking no opposition or hating a female character so much that you need to remove her from her ship and her narrative.

I totally encourage you to post about the other characters that you care about, though. Use their tags and I’m sure you’ll find fellow fans. If someone gives you shit for enjoying other stuff? Mute them.

I was thinking the other day about how Cisco really hasn't had much to do this season, too. And then I remembered that we haven't seen Cynthia for quite some time now or even heard mention of her. Do you think it's because the actress booked another show? Or have the writers just forgotten that Cynthia and Cisco are a thing?

I think the lack of Cynthia is primarily due to Jessica’s availability, but that’s no reason not to give Cisco a storyline outside of her. If I could trade Ralph for Cisco and Wally working together to stop Devoe and training when Barry’s busy, oh boy, I’d do it in a heartbeat.

do you think this is a good sign that this episode was the first of the season that AJK had nothing to do with?

It’s a very good sign. Though to be fair, Andrew’s name was removed from the Executive Producer position (he’s now only in “developed by”) after 4.08, so we don’t know exactly which episode is the last one he influenced. We just know they were filming 4.11 when he was suspended, and therefore we can assume they had written no more than 4.14.

Dawn's face at the end made it seem like she wasn't all that excited about meeting Caitlin (and Harry). So I wonder if Caitlin goes full Killer Frost again somewhere down the line and all Dawn knows her as is a villain? (Which would promptly send Caitlin into paranoia again. And that would be kind of repetitive considering the focus they put on her redemption arc, but these writers love themselves a good redux-storyline.)

This was my first thought, as well. If not that, then the fact is merely meant to throw us off when really it’s just her getting serious because the plan is coming together.

I actually really got the feeling that killer frost is gonna turn evil and work with devoe or something and since defeating devoe is probably the reason she’s here dawn knows Caitlin can’t be trusted... actually I was wondering if the reason they made Caitlin not remember what KF is doing isn’t because she’s actually already working with devoe ( like they mentionned someone giving tips to devoe or something) also the genuine smile she gets after Ralph/Cisco versus this scene isn’t a coincidence

I could see that. It would suck if she had already turned against them, though, so I’m hoping it’s a future/alternate thing.

[coldtomyflash]

Any thoughts/theories on who Savitar might be, in light of the "Once and Future Flash" episode? I'm hearing people suspect it might be Eddie, which could be cool. And that fits in with the whole "Barry ruined my life" thing and also 2024 Killer Frost's comments that Barry would be "so surprised" when he found out. But I also feel like if that was the case Caitlin would have been more confused/suspicious towards him instead of just immediately giving in like she did at the end of the episode?

I’ve talked a lot about my theories and the various ones I’ve heard, weighing the possibilities, but maybe I should have it all in one place, so here we go.

Who Savitar might be (in descending order of likelihood).

1. Barry Allen

This is my favorite theory. 

Maybe it’s a Barry who becomes so twisted by the death of Iris that he makes a time remnant who becomes Savitar somehow. Maybe it’s the version of Barry that was destroyed by Barry changing the timeline so many times, and he’s been caught in the speedforce going mad all this time, re-witnessing his mother’s death. 

Who knows? Not me. But I can see it from how this season has gone, with it being about consequences to Barry’s time travel. And Caitlin knows enough about time travel and time remnants to put that together quick, upon seeing Savitar’s identity. Like I mentioned somewhere else, her reaction could’ve been a “this version of you is as twisted as I am as Killer Frost” - a mutual understanding of what they’ve both become.

This theory also makes the most sense from Savitar’s “it’s me or you” thing with Iris. Maybe Barry needs to become so twisted and broken to become Savitar, and Iris has to die in order for that to happen.

2. Eddie Thawne 

This would warrant some surprise from Killer Frost, given that Eddie was pretty dead last we checked. She wasn’t quite confused enough for this, maybe?

But note that Eddie died within a time loop, right? The only reason he killed himself is because Eobard time travelled. No Eddie procreating, no Eobard to travel back in time and cause Eddie to ultimately kill himself. The speedforce shelters that timeline (Eobard’s original timeline) to prevent a world-collapsing paradoxical time loop, but we don’t really know if that means Eddie just stays dead, or if he’s maybe been stuck in the speedforce or caught in a time loop going mad?

It also plays into the “you’ll never guess” thing they’ve got going, but fit with it being someone who knows the team / has been watching them, has a personal connection to Iris. Idk, this gifset had some interesting points/parallels for it.

3. Cobalt Blue / Malcolm Thawne / Barry’s evil twin

This one is out of the comics but I’m a fan of this theory. Separated twins at birth, a twin who thinks Barry took “everything” from him by having the life that he was supposed to have but never got to, raised by the Thawnes and not the Allens. It seems unlikely to me that they’d actually play it out this way, but some Cobalt Blue reference or tie-in wouldn’t really surprise me.

Anyway, @ladyofpride and @prouvairablehulk have made an interesting case for this.

4. Ronnie Raymond

So people are suggesting this one I think because of the Killer Frost tie-in? And maybe because it’s sort of unclear what the heck happened to Ronnie’s body when he was sucked into the singularity. Maybe he wasn’t crushed by gravity and maybe he didn’t get chucked out as a corpse onto Earth 2. Maybe he just got lost in the speedforce, sucked in like Roscoe (Turbine) in the New 52.

I kind of dig this theory on a few fronts, including that it would be a genuine twist, fit with the comics in that weird way, and sort of have a strange tie-in with how Julian was Savitar’s avatar and was falling for Caitlin all season. But, I do believe if this were true, Killer Frost’s reaction to seeing him would’ve included more shock and awe and joy?

5. Iris West

This is a new theory I’ve seen floating around. It’s neat, placing the “it’s you or me, Iris” thing in an entirely new light. Iris doesn’t die, she becomes Savitar. Or I mean, she does die, and thus becomes Savitar.

I feel that Killer Frost’s reaction at the end of 3x19 would actually fit with it being Iris, to be totally honest, but I still think it’s ultimately a little unlikely. That being said, the seasonal big bad being a woman? Into it. And it would be an unexpected twist. What better to ruin Barry than the woman he loves becoming the one who ruins him? 

6. Another speedster: Jay Garrick, Wally West, Jesse Quick, Eliza Harmon

Mostly Wally and Jay, but I think these are all at least a little plausible, right? Jay is stuck in the speedforce right now though, so it would have to be a Jay from a different time. Wally is an interesting theory to me… Savitar took a shining to Wally and used him, got close to him, imprisoned him and the speedforce didn’t want to let Wally go.

Also, it would but a neat spin on 2024!Wally. Wally goes after Savitar, Savitar breaks his back and does something to him, and Wally becomes permanently catatonic? Maybe he’s catatonic due to becoming Savitar? I know it’s convoluted and silly and unlikely, but hell, this show handwaves a lot.

Jesse seems unlikely but she’s a speedster so? Same with Trajectory – she was destroyed by the speedforce after all. Maybe Velocity made her one with the speedforce. It’s silly and I doubt it, but hey, I’m being thorough.

7. Leonard Snart

I don’t think this is likely, but some people think Occulus!Len might’ve become the God of Speed. @literallyflashtrash suggested it as a crack theory but it’s taken off since then, and others have thought it up independently as well. I think we all just miss Snart. It’s okay guys, I miss him too.

8. Humanized!Grodd

“I am the future, Flash…” - Grodd, New 52. Enough Said.

9. Patty Spivot

@terrie01‘s joke but hell, at this point, I won’t even be surprised. Throw us all for a loop, writers.

10. A random hot dude because KF is thirsty

Someone joked about this and I 100% approve. “you’re gonna be sooo suprised… that Savitar is someone you haven’t even met!”

11. Edward Clarriss / The Rival

The dude had a big enough ego, right? Was created by Flashpoint. Maybe Savitar is somehow a remnant of him, and that’s part of why he killed Clarriss when he was done with him? It’s not like Zoom didn’t pull the same move with killing his remnant, and this show loves its parallels.

12. (Grown up) Sara Diggle

Barry erased her existence from the timeline. If I were her, I would want revenge too. Obviously not likely, but damn does he deserve this coming back to bite him.

[terrie01]

One of my favorite things in the Flash has been the season 1 and 2 friendship between Cisco and Caitlin. I know not everyone likes Caitlin, but I unironically love her in all her prissy, flawed glory. So having her reduced to a plot device in the final couple episodes and her friendship with Cisco trashed by multiple attempts to kill him was a huge letdown. And, in the baddest of bad writing, we're never given a reason as to why she does what she does.

I mean, did I fall asleep at some point during the scene where they show us why KF threw in with Savitar? Or was it really just "Hey, an evil Barry. I'm into that. What do you need me to do?" and suddenly she totally loyal to him, even when he'd been defeated and trapped  the Speed Force? Did they forget to mention the part where Savitar had meta-hypnosis powers that made her willing to kill her best friend?

So, of course, like all good fans, I came up with my own theory.

KF is willing to kill Cisco right up until Savitar's "ascension" to godhood is thwarted. Only then does she save Cisco. While his failure to kill Iris gave his plans some urgency, to avoid being erased, it doesn't seem to have changed them. He set Barry up to get Tracy to make the Speed Gun, even before HR took Iris's place. His plan was always to have Cisco modify the gun, have KF stop the Black Flash, and use the modified gun to "exist in all times," making him immune to erasure from changes to the timeline. What was he planning to do with that ability?

I think he wanted to fix things. Everything. The season started out with Barry having to learn he can't just keep changing the timeline, because it would never be "correct" and he could never predict the outcome. But what if he existed in all times at once? Suddenly, he has the potential to be able to control things in a way he couldn't before. Remember that Savitar is still, at his core, Barry. That was the whole basis of Barry's attempt to stop him in the finale. And if regular ol' Barry is willing to do crazy, dangerous, stupid stunts like mucking with the timeline to try to fix things (and then to fix what he broke trying to fix things), what would broken, twisted Barry do? A lot of people have emphasized the stuff Barry and Cisco have been through in the last couple seasons. And I'm not denying they have had some awful things happen to them. But Caitlin has also been through a lot. She lost the man she loved -- twice. Just like Cisco and Barry, she found out that the man she admired and looked up to as a mentor was a time traveling murderer. She was kidnapped, multiple times, by multiple villains. She has earned herself an issue or two. 

Imagine if Savitar promised to fix all of it. 

She could have Ronnie back. Hell, she could have never lost him at all. It wouldn't matter if Cisco died, because that would be fixed, too. Nothing she did to help Savitar succeed would be "too much" because once they succeeded, it would never have happened. As a god, Savitar would wash away all her sins.

Of course, once Cisco throws a wrench into the plan and frees Jay, it all comes crashing down. No fix. No Ronnie. No absolution. And if Savitar kills Cisco, he stays dead. And she can't let that happen. So she can't be Killer Frost. But she can't be Caitlin anymore, either, because she did horrible things. Yes, she did them thinking they would be undone, but she still did them. So now she has to figure out how to live with everything. An everything that includes what she's done and what's been done to her. 

[duke-nitro]

even more mercury falling au

After getting kneecapped by Deathstroke and reading an entire library, Bart makes a Kid Flash outfit but then he stops, halfway through putting it on, and thinks “Wait, Wally’s not really known for being that smart”. So instead he makes a Kid Mercury outfit instead. No one is really surprised.

Thad’s not particularly happy about it mostly because now he thinks he has to get a new outfit as well. He tries on the KF outfit but he just doesn’t like it that much. (Aesthetically? Too close to Reverse Flash? The feeling of stepping into a legacy that isn’t his? We just don’t know.) He starts looking around for inspiration and notices something that surprises him: Jay has never had a sidekick. (I’ll be honest: I have no idea what the costume would look like above the waist other than having goggles. Like he would have black jeans and big-ass combat boots, but the pants would have the lightning bolts from Jay’s first few appearances.) He starts calling himself Kid Hermes (to go with the speed god theme). Jay and Joan are moved to tears. Thad is still pretty bad at reading emotions and immediately starts panicking. It takes a few minutes to explain why they’re crying and by the end of it, well, let’s just say Thad’s not a particularly graceful crier.

(Also I should probably mention that while Bart and Thad live with Jay and Joan, they spend their summers in Manchester with Helen.) 

Edit: oh my god I forgot to mention the helmet in the Hermes costume. It looks like an unfinished version of Jay's hat because Thad wasn't gonna put in the full effort in case they disapproved.

[jade4813]

I'm also a little puzzled by this, too. Even though he got through to KF in E2 and tended to CS when "Jay" was killed, I wanted to see them be there for each other more. Aside form 3x06, we only hear of them being there for one another (Like in 3x10 when CS mentioned that she slept in Cisco's couch after Dante died).

Well, Cisco did go to comfort her after she got back from seeing her mom and was upset but nobody else noticed.The thing is, I get the feeling the writers are kinda unaware of how much people like their relationship - platonic or romantic. Someone asked...one of them...if there would be good things for the two of them coming up and the writer seemed surprised by the question. Like it wasn't something they were even aware people gave a shit about.And, I mean...I guess I do see most people asking first and foremost about Caitlin's relationship with Barry (or, now, Julian) for her side and Cisco's interactions with Barry and/or Iris on his. And now maybe Cynthia? So I guess maybe they haven't realized people actually like the relationship and bond between these two?I don't know. But, yeah. I do sometimes wonder if the GREAT stuff they've written for these two is more accident than design. Like the E2 thing. Him getting through to her was WONDERFUL and made the most sense of anyone in the cast...but did they write that because they see that's true or because in that scene, he was the only character who COULD have filled that role? It's like how people talk about how SB had these great talks in S1. Well, they had those talks because they needed Barry to talk about his love for Iris and he couldn't do that TO Iris and since they also needed Caitlin to talk about her grief over losing Ronnie to set groundwork for his return, they had those scenes. Once Iris was in the loop and Barry could talk to HER about his thoughts and feelings and Ronnie returned and all of that...and then Caitlin could bond with other new characters over her loss to establish their link with the team...that's what they did. So I think they didn't write SB to write SB, is what I'm saying. They did it as a matter of convenience.The fact they were surprised and like "oh! We didn't realize you liked those two! Yeah, if you like their friendship, there's more of that coming up I'm sure..." or something...Well, it makes me wonder if a lot of these moments are like that and they aren't approaching the scrips as "how do we show what a great bond these two have and how important they are to each other?" so unless it kinda comes up otherwise, they don't think to focus on it.I will say if they're doing it unintentionally, they are unintentionally setting the groundwork for a really great OTP. I have a friend who CANNOT BELIEVE they aren't doing this intentionally, and she really isn't a shipper on Flash. But when I tell her I think the OTP moments may be accidental she really fights me on how they could write an OTP this well by accident.What can I say? Sadly, I suspect they largely are.

[thebandcampdiaries]

KF Greatness - September 29 2

Another day, another exciting release hitting my inbox! This time, I find myself writing about “September 29 2”, the new excellent release from KF Greatness, a talented artist who has a really unique approach to his sound and vision. His creative formula is simple: combining the hard-hitting edge of rap with the understated melodies of old school hip-hop, and exploring so many other possibilities in between. At the end of the day, what I really love about this release is that KF Greatness actually writes music with honesty, and his stunning performances are a direct consequence of his realness. When listening to his lyrics and his voice, you can really get a definite sense that this is not just some random artist trying to copy the famous guy of the day, but rather a really powerful performer who has a really innovative and distinctive style.

In addition to the amazing performance and songwriting value, KF’s songs, including this amazing release, are actually extremely well-produced, making for a pleasant and dynamic listening experience.

All in all, “September 29 2” is a really fantastic release, which holds a lot of potential and a really great creative concept. This project is a perfect introduction to KF’s work, and it makes me think of the sound of influential artists the likes of Eminem, J Cole, Kendrick Lamar and Jay Z, only to mention a few. The possibilities are truly endless with so much talent and passion making a difference! Whether you are a long-time fan of rap music or a newcomer to this particular genre, you are certainly going to love the sone.

Find out more about KF Greatness and do not let this amazing release fly low under your radar, because it is totally worth your time, trust me on this one!

Find the streaming links below:

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[kidflashimpulse]

that one post where you said you can imagine Jay liking to help out at the MHYC + that hc from your fic that Barry and Ed kinda clash (genius take btw) has lead me to this idea: Jay likes Ed. just genuinely thinks he's a GOOD kid. and Bart does NOT need anyone's approval, but i think Jay liking his friend/eventual boyfriend would matter more to him than whether Barry does. i think Jay's opinion GENERALLY matters more to him than Barry's (even his lightning bolt logo is like Jay's, not Barry's)

YES I 100% agree on this with u! Its like u plucked the HC right out of my head lol especially with the other HC playing into the context! Ever since someone mentioned that his lightning bolt logo is like Jays rather than Barrys that concept was born, I love how Barts costumes in the series always tell a story!! (His impulse patterns being reminiscent of the blue beetle scarab legs, the lightning bolt matching Jays flash logo) its just so cool (yes his suit is an extended design of the Kid Flash of Judas Contract movie because of the staff involved but theres just so much more context in the YJ universe than KFs involvement in JC that it actually fits especially with Wallys KF suit in YJ having Barrys Flash logo and Barts being a direct match with Jays so yeah lol)

And Jays approval of Ed (like u said whilst no ones is necessary especially to Bart) definitely is something that Bart does find dear to him. In general I do believe Jay is most probably the closest thing to a father role in his life at this point, with Barry obvs not at all being ready to be his Grandad falling into the mentor/borderline uncle role, also kinda reminiscent to the distance between them in the comics as well. 

[andrebooker7532]

Invaluable business lessons from Ron Chernow's biography of John D. Rockefeller, Sr:

In 50 Business Classics, Tom Butler-Bowdon includes a discussion of Ron Chernow's classic biography of John D. Rockefeller, Sr.

These are among the dozens of business lessons that caught my eye:

o "John Davis Rockefeller was fortunate in the timing of his birth, 1839, which meant that he, along with Andrew Carnegie (1835), jay Gould (1836), and J. P. Morgan (1837), would come kf age just as the post-Civil War industrial boom was about to get under way. It seemed [and proved to be] a time of [almost] limitless opportunity." (Page 37)

o "Relentlessly inquisitive and hungry for knowledge, his nickname in the oil fields was 'the Sponge.' What made Rockefeller different, Chernow argues, was that he did not think simply of his own operation, but developed a picture of the etnire oil industry and its place in the modern economy. This involved planning far ahead and striking strategic partnerships so that he could dominate the industry. 'The Standard Oil Company will one day refine all the oil and make all the barrels,' he told a Cleveland businessman." (38)

o "To give a sense of how vast Standard Oil's market power was at the time of the judgment [in 1911 by the U.S. Supreme Court to be dismantled], consider that its constituent companies would become each in their own right corporate names with huge market shares: Standard Oil of New Jersey became EXXON, Standard Oil of New York became Mobil, Standard Oil of Indiana Amoco, and Standard Oil of California Chevron. Though 'Standard Oil' as a name disappeared,Rockefeller's fingerprints would remain on millions of gas pumps and oil cans across the United States and the world." (40)

o "Chernow was probably a bit too harsh on Rockefeller's business strategies. After all, every business aims to dominate its field, or at least be its leader -- it's just that few are able to do so. Rockefeller achieved his aim of making the oil industry modern and efficient, ramping up quality and saving consumers money, not to mention employing legions of people. Without his rapacity in business, there would be no Rockefeller Foundation today."   (42)

50 Business Classics: Your shortcut to the most important ideas on innovation, management and strategy was published by Nicholas Brealey (2018).

Titan: The Life of John D. Rockeffeller, Sr. was first published by Random House in 1998; a second, paperbound edition was published in 2004.

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[valeriemperez]

Re: Iris being alive... Do you think there are any possibilities other than HR posing as Iris? (I don't personally, but I've seen a lot of people suggesting otherwise.)

There are other options that are feasible within the rules of the show. Barry could travel back in time once again and risk the speedforce’s wrath, the speedforce itself could restore her, E19 Iris West could have shown up to randomly die in her doppelganger’s place, etc.

But there is only one option that has been set up by the narrative of the show, and that’s HR taking her place. Chekhov’s Gun and Occam’s Razor all rolled into one!

Any theories on why or how Jay is out of the Speedforce?

Good question. Either Barry throws Savitar in and gets Jay out then has to go back in to defeat Savitar once and for all, or Barry needs Jay to defeat Savitar and promises to go in his place when the battle is won.

Do you think KF will kill Julian in the finale?

No, I don’t. I think she’ll wind up helping the team a bit before going her own way to “figure things out” or whatever, leaving the door open for her to rejoin them next season or else join whoever the next Big Bad is.

Wait… What was Joe supposed to shoot from the roof? They already tried guns on Savitar in Earth-2, and saw how well that went. (Harry’s gun seemingly disabled his suit momentarily, but that’s not Harry’s gun he’s holding anyway.) Not to mention the giant speedforce bazooka – the ONE thing that was [supposedly] guaranteed to work – completely failed. What the hell was a rifle gonna do?

Joe just feels better when he’s holding one, I think, lol.

…You know what, I’m so tired of people pretending to be stupid, willfully misinterpreting things and inventing (idiotic) reasons to bash Iris. That post you reblogged has got to be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen on this website. Yeah, the woman who has spent what could be her last months comforting Barry about her *own* death and prioritizing his feelings definitely treats him terribly. What a crock. Like, just say you hate black women and save us all the time. Honestly.

Me to Iris haters:

[valeriemperez]

In 2024 Barry had already split from the TR so not sav. But do you think this gun is the second thing that Sav needed? Because it seems like a plan B (Cisco casually mentioning that Sav is going to disintegrate and Sav not really reacting).

Right now, it’s the best guess for the second thing. Makes sense not to tell Barry, or else he wouldn’t let Tracy complete it.

KF better suffer this episode, whoever dies she has now earned her KillerFrost title. She has as much blood on her hands as Savitar! Her redemption needs to be slow and earned. The character’s evilness must be trashed online and Savitar needs to disintegrate.

Sav will disintegrate, but I don’t think anyone will blame Caitlin on the show for KF’s actions.

Do you have any livestreams for the flash?

Log in to this one with facebook. That’s the only one I remember off the top of my head.

Did you see John Wesley Shipp’s Tweet?

I see it now! Thanks, looking forward to seeing Jay again.

[valeriemperez]

Hi Tati! Do you have a theory about the husks? I think there is one (or two) still unaccounted for. Do you think they just forgot about this story line?? OR is Savitar cooking up someone?? His own Iris?? 👀 Maybe he needs KF, a doctor, to make sure they're OK??

According to 3.12, I believe, there was one husk left. Then it was never mentioned again. I hadn’t thought about the last husk being another Iris, but that would tie up the loose end of “How can we see Iris die and then still have her alive?” lol. 

I actually was positive the last husk was KF, and that was why Savitar called her “my child.” But then the memory loss only affected Wally’s powers and didn’t affect KF, so now I’m back to the drawing board. Therefore I’m gonna assume either they forgot about it, or it’s making a surprise last act appearance - just like HR’s face-changing device.

If the theories are correct and Savitar is just trying to keep Iris for himself, I wonder if maybe he's trying to break his own loop. Like he was created because Iris died, etc. But maybe he'll try to alter it this time by faking her death so that Barry sets the loop in place (time remnants, etc.) so that he (Savitar) can still be created but this time he gets to keep Iris. And slowly, our Barry would decline, while Savitar gets to rise. ("As I rise, you will fall.")

I love this idea.

I think I mentioned this to you a while ago before we know Savitar's identity (good times!) but I always found it interesting how Sav always referred to Barry as "the man Iris loves", as opposed to referring to Iris as "the woman Barry loves" (because if he's trying to hurt Barry by killing Iris, the latter would be the usual phrasing). It sounds more like jealousy than trying to inflict pain. So I wonder now if that could be another hint that he really just wants to keep Iris and replace Barry.

I remember this being mentioned, and like you, I thought it sounded like jealousy. He wants that love for himself and he can’t get it if she’s dead. But she needs to be dead for him to exist. Paradox! So yes, I think he would want to do something to have his cake and eat it too.

There has been some talk that in 3x22 that Barry would completely fail to save Iris and in 3x23, he goes back in time to reset. But at a price. Based on the spoiler vid, Barry goes into the SF. So it's possible that he's given another shot to save her. But once he does, he has to give up his own life as payment. I still go by the theory I had of Barry thinking that he failed, only to find out that Iris is really safe and someone else died in her place. What do you think of the former?

The only reason I don’t like the former is that it would mean Barry hasn’t learned his lesson. But I guess if he’s bargaining beforehand and the speedforce “agrees to terms,” then yes he could save Iris that way. It’ll be awkward though, cuz HR’s dead too...

I’m more inclined to buy your second option: end of 3.22 Iris appears to be dead, beginning of 3.23 it turns out she’s not. The question is how.

So I'm guessing that at some point Iris gets kidnapped, whether it real Iris or hr Iris. Savi takes her? Hides her in a warehouse? As for the clip of Barry leaving, is the sf wanting someone in exchange for jay? Or In order to balance things?

I agree that Savitar’s gotta come kidnap Iris at some point. Presumably in this scene. It’s just odd because there seems to be two scenes of Savitar confronting the team in STAR Labs. Unless it’s one scene and he switches between Sav and “Barry” in it? I’ll have to look at the gifs and sort it out.

But long story short: yes, I think Savitar will kidnap Iris and they’ll have a scene in his lair. And I think the speedforce will give Barry what he needs in exchange for him imprisoning himself, or else tell him he needs to finish the fight in the speedforce.

[valeriemperez]

So do you think the running home to you song is for Iris? Do you think Barry will be singing it to her? I will die if they dance together. I'm trying to keep my expectations low but Candice's tweet got me hype again

If “Running Home To You” isn’t for Iris, I’m rioting. It has to be! Candice just filmed 15 hours for the musical, so she’s gotta have something cool to do. I doubt it’s standing around in the background of STAR Labs while other people talk, which she did during the last crossover.

She might be part of a forced dance sequence, or Barry might feel energized by singing all day long lmao and want to sing and dance with her after. Either way, I’m sure it’ll be cheesy as hell but I’ll eat it up anyway.

To caveat on the changing dynamics between Joe, Barry+Iris. When Barry appeals to Caitlin to use her KF powers to save Iris, he says Caitlin it’s spreading. “We” need you. Barry already thinks of them in terms of we vs me and her. Julian says, Caitlin, Iris needs your help now.

Aww! Barry is one of those couple guys, haha. Suddenly everything is “we,” because he and Iris are one entity. Same with his powers being “our life,” and her newspaper byline being “our future.” Cute.

Are Eddie and Ronnie in 316 or 317? S2 Eddie was in 217 and Ronnie was mentioned. I’m guessing they’re going to be a part of a flashback or something? Maybe Barry telling Cisco that Ronnie was still alive when he went back in time to get help from Dr. Wells changed something?

Eddie and Ronnie are 3.16, with Francine appearing to be 3.15. Since Rick, Candice & Jesse were dressed in S1 outfits I think Eddie’s scene will be a flashback to his death. Maybe Flashpoint means something different happened? Or maybe it’s related to the Spear of Destiny, I don’t know. 

Ooh, I hadn’t thought about 2.17 changing something for Ronnie/Eddie - that’s super interesting. 

We still don’t know who that last husk belongs to. However, I’m guessing that whomever it is will be Savitar. S3 of the Flash has done a better job at concealing the Big bads ID. S1 it was Harrison Wells, we knew that in 101, but had to figure out what his endgame was. S2 we suspected Jay, but cautious until he shows CS his doppelgänger Hunter Zolomon in 211. S3 we start out thinking it’s Julian, but I’m honestly stumped and we’re approaching 313. A good twist would be Joe or Harry. Thoughts

My guess was gonna be that the last husk belongs to Caitlin, and that’s why KF makes her evil, because her powers are controlled by Savitar. If anything, maybe that’s why Wally isn’t - because Joe tore him out before the cocoon was complete.

But as for your theory, it could be whoever Savitar is. I just think the show should stop making close friends the big bad, lol. I’d rather Savitar be someone ancient that we’ve never met before. I don’t think they’d do that to Joe or any of the Harrys at this point, but I’m equally at a loss for who it could be if it’s someone we know.

That awkward moment when Barry and Iris shade Starlabs security system, but Barry didn’t lock his apartment door after he closed it.

LOL! Barry needs to start walking the walk.