#fatphobic feminism
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crazycatsiren Ā· 2 years ago
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Fat women deserve to wear cute clothes. Fat women deserve to feel pretty. This shouldn't be a hot take.
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books-i-once-read Ā· 2 months ago
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Fatness changed her gender, somehow, made her into not a girl to these boys, maybe into not a human being.
The Housemates by Emma Copley Eisenberg
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viktor-the-leshen Ā· 1 year ago
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I was just reminded that there is an entire subculture of feminists who will shame and put down women for dating """ugly""" men under the logic that """ugly""" men are inherently evil.
Kill me
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genderkoolaid Ā· 4 months ago
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actually going back to that post about abs not looking Like That except for when you are flexing. that's an example of how feminists need to loudly and blatantly take on "men's issues" as feminist concerns. everytime a superhero movie comes out and the main actor is dehydrated and starved and edited into vacuum-sealed muscularity, feminists need to make a big deal about how its deeply unhealthy and sends a dangerous message to young boys and reinforced patriarchal (+fatphobic) ideas of manhood. it's a gendered issue and feminism is the most known and effective movement for addressing gendered issues through the lens of patriarchy. it's not enough to passively say "oh yeah, feminism is for men too", we need to make "men's issues" synonymous with anti-patriarchal, feminist voices. if WE do not take up that mantle, then people who have no interest in solidarity with women or identifying patriarchy as the problem will take it up and use it to sell $500 abusive radicalizing "self-help" courses.
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goodmiffy Ā· 2 months ago
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ā€œfeminism is about choiceā€ ā€œfeminism benefits men tooā€ ā€œitā€™s billionaires killing the planet so why canā€™t i shop on sheinā€ ā€œbeing vegetarian is a privilegeā€ ā€œitā€™s classist to suggest people eat less meat to help the environmentā€ ā€œlet people enjoy thingsā€ ā€œbeing a stay at home mother is her CHOICEā€ ā€œmakeup is expressionā€ ā€œjust say you canā€™t do makeup and goā€ ā€œactually native cultures had multiple gendersā€ ā€œwe have to respect *misogynistic practise* itā€™s their culture!ā€ ā€œporn is empowering for some womenā€ ā€œkink is inherently queerā€ ā€œpatriarchy hurts men tooā€ *white person calls every nuanced feminist take white feminism* ā€œcis rich white menā€ ā€œIā€™m a lesbian and i love dickā€ ā€œeveryone is a little biā€ ā€œitā€™s ableist to say bluey is for kidsā€ ā€œplane seats are fatphobicā€ ā€œplus size people HAVE to shop on sheinā€ ā€œsmall businesses canā€™t afford to get their supplies anywhere except temuā€ ā€œjust say you hate neurodivergent people and goā€ ā€œok Karenā€ ā€œblack trans women won your rightsā€ ā€œ*normal behaviour* is actually a symptom of autismā€ ā€œcan we all admit classics are boring and overratedā€ ā€œyou only hate [awful smutty half baked books] because women like themā€ ā€œgirls reclaiming femininityā€ ā€œfruity kingā€ *calling everything queer* ā€œactually queer has been reclaimed by the lgbtqia+ communityā€ ā€œshopping sustainably is a privilegeā€ ā€œusing public transport is a privilegeā€ ā€œi donā€™t know that because the school system sucksā€ ā€œmale loneliness epidemicā€ *source is a podcast* ā€œAI is actually really helpful for neurodivergent kidsā€ ā€œuniversity is just a bourgeoise scam anywayā€
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artofkhaos404 Ā· 1 year ago
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I hate the world we live in.
Thin privilege is better pay, particularly if you're a woman.
Thin women are paid more than fat women -- tens of thousands more by some estimates. This means thin women are valued as if they had more years of education and experience than fat women. To be at parity wages with thin women, fat women need to be much more educated (almost two years more education than thin women) and experienced (about three years more experience than thin women).
Researchers trying to determine why, have discovered that fat women are more likely to work in physical jobs and less likely to work in public-facing jobs than thin women. Public-facing jobs are generally better paid. Discrimination against fat women in public-facing jobs, like upper management and performance and waitressing and modeling and sales, could be the reason fat women on average make so much less than thinner women.
The most pay on average nets to relatively thinner women--about a 22 on the outmoded BMI scale.
Finally, take a gander at this absolutely devastating graph that shows a significant negative relationship between BMI/body fat and income for women from the St Louis Fed (2011):
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This is thin privilege---massive, obvious, thin privilege.
-ATL
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dailyfigures Ā· 27 days ago
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Bashing and hating on petite grown women and the people who love them doesn't help kids. You just really hate non large breasted women. Here's your award ig. šŸ’•
Love that body positivity only means plus sized, we hate petite women. I hate myself more because of these communities tbh.
Have fun spreading misogyny.šŸ©·
is this satire. is this bait. am i being pranked. how in god's green earth did you see me saying i don't like loli figures that are intentionally made to look very young for men who are into that, and somehow felt like i was talking about you. what's next? am i fatphobic if i don't like feeder fetish content? am i lesbophobic if i don't like lesbian porn made for men? am i racist if i don't like blackface? this has to be bait oh my god šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­
i could take this seriously and make a point about how (petite) asian women face a lot of abuse from men who infantilise them and don't see them as real people but instead as some fucking anime/hentai waifu, and how normalising loli content is actually not very helpful for those women (shocker!) but you seem like such an expert on feminism already that i'm sure it would be wasted on you. also sorry you hate yourself because some people don't enjoy drawings of naked kids!
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hadesisqueer Ā· 2 months ago
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People have always told me to "look the other way" or "shut up" whenever I saw someone being treated unfairly. As a 5-7yo Spanish girl I didn't even know what racism and xenophobia were and yet I still told off other kids when they excluded an Asian and a Hispanic classmates from the games we played. I had just learnt that gay people were a thing and what homophobia was as a 8yo and I told off kids for making comments and saying slurs because I now knew what they meant. 9yo me nearly punched someone for being fatphobic. 11-12yo me defended this girl I didn't even like because she used to bully me because other kids were being racist toward her for being romani (later on I found out that girl was my distant cousin and I was like what). 13yo me argued a whole class of dudes for feminism and defended the girls they were slut-shaming. I still jump at age 22 to cut someone off the moment I hear bullshit like that coming from their mouth. It annoys people to no end.
The reason why I was always told to "stay quiet" is because it always ended up with me being in a worse situation than before. I was bullied and constantly excluded since I was 3 years old until I was like 13 for no other reason than them thinking I was weird and that's it. And jumping to defend others from those same bullies ended up making them bully even more. And yet I don't regret shit. Child me me who didn't even know what racism or homophobia or any of that truly meant wouldn't regret it either because she simply knew what it was like to be excluded and she didn't like seeing others being treated like that even if she didn't even fully comprehend why they were excluded. And now that I comprehend why I'm not gonna stop either. So anyone who is annoyed can fuck right off. Unlike back then I have a mastery over the art of insults that will make you regret ever being a bigot or a dickhead in front of me because I swear I can be meaner than any of them if I wanna. And I will be. So nope not gonna shut up.
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tobeabatman Ā· 1 month ago
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Freeform fat activist post
Did you know that weight discrimination has increased by 66 % during the last decade and is one of the only forms of discrimination actively condoned by society? (From Adressing weight stigma and fatphobia in public health by Amanda Montgomery, RD, LDN, at publichealth.uic.edu)
And itā€™s like, it makes me so mad. It makes me so angry to see a bunch of thin people spreading bs without our fat peopleā€™s opinions, worsening the social conditions of people like me. It makes me mad that the first time I experienced medical fatphobia was at age 7. It makes me mad that it feels like thereā€™s nothing I can do.
I canā€™t go to public transport without hearing casual fatphobia, I canā€™t study without hearing fatphobia, I canā€™t go online without seeing fatphobia, I canā€™t even film certain things online because of fatphobia.
I try escapism. I read a bunch of books: No fat characters, casual fatphobic comments.
I watch a bunch of videos on Youtube: Most fat creators are disencouraged from filming by either the algorithm or by viewers. The left-over thin creators casually act like fat people are lesser-than, when something triggers the topic of fat people.
I flinch, I wait, whenever a topic comes up that could possibly elicit fatphobia. The word ā€lifestyle choicesā€ makes my heart beat just a bit faster.
At school, I have to sit through an entire 115 minute lesson on how fat people should lose weight. I am the only ā€obeseā€ kid in class, there is one overweight person besides me.
I canā€™t look the teacher in the eye for the whole class. All my future lessons I sit in his class thinking, ā€You donā€™t say it out loud, but I think you think of me differently than my thin classmatesā€.
I surround myself activism. Disability justice, anti-racism, feminism, -ism -ism. Justice is important to me.
..But I notice thereā€™s no attention to people like me. Even though thereā€™s so many different communities, fat people have a small and incomplete one. Even my leftist friends donā€™t note our struggles.
I continue my activism, but Iā€™m getting more tired.
Someone lists different communities, says that medical bias is bad against those groups. I notice that mentioning fat people would fit right alongside those other communities. But I remember weā€™re invisible.
Another person says that confidence is sexy. I think it must be easy to see it that way if youā€™re not statistically more likely to have lower self-esteem.
Third person is concerned about my mental health for living in a fatphobic society. ā€Who am I supposed to get help from?ā€ I ask. Body-positive therapists are easy to find, but most of them donā€™t understand the pressure of living in a body hated by most.
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The future I want is where no one is oppressed. That includes fat people. Get rid of your ā€what aboutā€ thinking, and realize that fat people are human too.
And if youā€™re fat, then you deserve none of the sh*t this world has manipulated you into thinking you deserve (until you change your body, of course). I know you most likely had super low self-esteem growing up, maybe you got bullied, maybe that bullying continued into your work life.
I wish I could say it gets better, that thereā€™s light at the end of the tunnel. But for that, we need the help of everyone. Are you willing to help?
Thank you for reading.
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harocat Ā· 11 days ago
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TBH I find TGCF fandom's obsession with Xie Lian being 'tiny' uncomfortable.
And not because of 'uwu stop feminizing/fetishizing him' or whatever, because I don't see that as a real issue.
But because I find the idealization of smallness on the whole in fandom to be very weird and yes, regressive. 'Oh he's so tiny his waist is so small I bet HC could wrap his hands around it'
It's the LEVEL of this. People don't just say it once or twice, which would not be a big issue. Size differences are cute! There are fans who will not make a single post about XL without mentioning it. They get angry when it's not acknowledged and act like you're ignoring canon.
And the feminization does become an issue not because femme looking dudes are bad, but because over and over being feminine is equated with being small, being skinny and having a tiny grabbable waist, etc.
If someone draws Xie Lian muscular, they're accused of ignoring the fact that we know he is quite feminine looking, for example. Because he can no longer be that if he is not so tiny omg three apples tall Hua Cheng's little wifey.
Because apparently men cannot be feminine if they're not tiny.
Xie Lian is canonically almost six feet tall and lean, but muscular. He can pass for a woman while fully clad in hanfu. Many women are also lean but muscular, especially women who would be working in villages, farms, etc. that XL frequents. Many men who lean toward a more feminine gender presentation are also not small.
The glorification of tininess and thinness as the feminine ideal is fatphobic, misogynistic, and even transphobic.
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dreamtydraw Ā· 9 months ago
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Doing my yearly Pride doodle and my annual reminder.
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That not a shocking news that on this blog ( owned by a panromantic, asexual non binary person ) aphobia, biphobia and transphobia are not welcomed here.
Reminder : stop hyper sexualising people who are queer just because theyā€™re queer. This goes for lesbian fetishization, gay man fetishization and sexualisation of enbyā€™s body.
Reminder : Romantic attraction and Sexual attraction are two separated thing that can be linked to each other but dosenā€™t mean the same.
Reminder : no one is forced to come out and someone not being open about their sexuality isnā€™t queerbaiting, queerbaiting is a specific principle used in marketing.
Reminder : being queer dosenā€™t excuse you for being a terrible person. You can be queer and racist, you can be queer and transphobic, you can be queer and sexit.
Reminder : Being queer dosenā€™t make you less of a creep if you donā€™t respect peopleā€™s boundaries Ā«Ā youā€™re straight but so are pasta before theyā€™re wetĀ Ā» big ew.
Reminder : Non binary people donā€™t owe you androginity and trans peeps donā€™t owe you feminity / masculinity. In the same tone enby and trans folks arenā€™t all skinny people, stop being fatphobic.
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genderkoolaid Ā· 2 years ago
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hi! i was wondering if you'd be willing to do an analysis of the aromantic manifesto thats been going around? most of the ppl ive seen so far have been from either non-aro queer ppl or non-loveless aros and i cant find any loveless aros talking about it, and ik thats something youve talked abt b4 (loveless aros i mean) id love to also see your thoughts on it.
So funny enough I saw this manifesto a while ago, but didn't really have any thoughts on it because I had too much trouble reading it for brain reasons, because its just. A lot.
So @spacelazarwolf compared this to lesbian separatism/radical feminism and I think that is pretty apt. Radical feminism takes accurate criticisms of the patriarchy (such as gender as a tool of oppression and misogyny) and comes to the conclusion that gender is, in all forms, inherently oppressive, men are inherently oppressors, and that to personally identify with gender roles or men in any way contributes to oppression, so we must take on political lesbianism to reject this.
This manifesto seems to do the same with amatonormativity. There are real criticisms of amatonormativity in queer spaces here; aromantics have talked a bit about how focusing queer liberation on romantic love as a reason why we shouldn't be oppressed is alienating, and how queer spaces often reinforce amatonormativity. But it then comes to the polarized conclusion that romance is itself oppressive, identification with romance contributes to oppression, and that we must take on (essentially) political aromanticism to reject this.
Which, like political lesbianism, is just... unnecessary? This is not the only conclusion we can come to as a result of these criticisms. And these conclusions prioritize abstract political theory over people's real lives and autonomy. Which is a big reason (although not the only one) why radical feminism fell apart, because eventually women got tired of having to structure their entire lives and identities around acting out Good Political Theory instead of being able to. y'know. Be themselves? But also, these kinds of conclusions are so absolute and polarized. They assume that nothing about gender or romance can grow and be improved.
There are parts of this manifesto I like. The line "The first big ruse of romance is that it is ubiquitous because it is natural, and it is natural because it is ubiquitous" I think is actually pretty cool and can be adapted to all kinds of things; for example, capitalism does the same thing, taking over as much of the world as possible & erasing other ways of life, and then using its dominance as evidence thats its just how humans naturally are. It brings up criticisms of love that are big parts of lovelessness, like the idea that love is inherently a good thing when it can be harmful and still be "love."
But then it takes the... strange path of saying that if people can't help how who they love, then neither can racists and transphobes and fatphobes, which is why romance is inherently oppressive. But like. Even within relationship anarchy, where all hierarchies are rejected, this problem won't disappear. Its a problem of attraction & how social systems shape how we think.
I also disagree with how it frames private vs public life:
Public life concerns the interests of people as citizens and is regarded as a legitimate sphere of social intervention. Private life concerns the interests of people as consumers/individuals and is nobodyā€™s business but those privately involved. While the domestic sphere fashioned by heterosexual kinship relations has been historically designated as private life, queer intimacies have instead been regarded as a matter of public concern due to moral panics associating them with predation and perversion throughout history.
I disagree with this framing of private life as something which is seen as "nobody's business." Maybe that's true on the small scale of social politeness and ideals. But on a systematic level, to me, this is absolutely untrue, and its something I've been doing some thinking about with regards to modeling the patriarchy.
The patriarchy is greatly concerned with the private lives of individuals. In order to keep its control over society in general via gender-sex-sexuality, its important to control how people interact with others. Even heterosexual, cisgender relationships haven't been free from patriarchal scrutiny; the wife must submit to the husband, the children must submit to the parents, and the queers must be kept outside the home. Again, on the level of neighborly politeness, people are going to say "what happens in the home is none of my business." But a relationship where the wife is the breadwinner and the husband stays at home is easily subject to scrutiny because it threatens the patriarchal norms, which causes unease.
Romance, as a construct, is a tool of oppression in multiple ways. But the physical reality the construct is built on top of is not inherently evil. The feeling of romantic love is not inherently corrupt, the same way the feeling of gender isn't.
Their advice for abolishing romance also feels kinda... vague and unhelpful and messy. I'm still not really clear on what "abolishing romance" even entails because most of the things they list can be done while romantic relationships occur. It just reads like they took the ideas of relationship anarchy and made it political lesbianism 2
I, as an aromantic, find the idea of political aromanticism to be pretty gross. I know how it feels to be pushed towards a certain relationship with romance and I don't want to seen it done in reverse, and tbh I don't like the idea of making my identity into a political stance. Being aromantic absolutely influences my politics, but its also my experience as a person. Again, similarly to why it would be uncomfortable to have lesbian spaces be full of women who are not in any way attracted to women but are making a political statement.
It disappoints me that this manifesto's conclusion is that romance itself must be rejected, the same way radical feminism does. Because there are good points here, but all-or-nothing conclusion, to me, is more divisive than connective and that's a big problem. My feelings about gender abolition are that, if we achieve true liberation from the patriarchy, our construction of gender is naturally going to be very different. Perhaps those people will no longer use gender, or they'll just use it differently- but trying to force a specific outcome is unhelpful and clashes with individual autonomy and culture for the sake of political theory. Same goes for this. Maybe in a post-amatonormativity world, "romance" will lose meaning, or at least be very very different. But trying to force that outcome isn't helpful.
Anyways I hope these takes were interesting! Honestly given how much arophobia I've seen I'm worried people are going to see this manifesto and get hostile to a lot of aromantic ideas. So I wanna suggest that people check out I Am Not Voldemort by K.A Cook, which is where the concept of "loveless aros" came from, as well as The short instructional manifesto for relationship anarchy by Andie Nordgren, which created the concept of relationship anarchy. Both of these essays do a much better job at criticizing love & amatonormativity than this manifesto.
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babypuppiboi Ā· 1 year ago
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axegrl Ā· 1 year ago
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words-in-silk Ā· 15 days ago
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tired of trying to be a feminist when most of feminist wings are racist, xenophobic, fatphobic and lgbt+phobic
I am NOT a feminist
I think I fit better in the concept of womanism but I need to read more about it.
Iā€™m trying to think about the concept of feminism as political and not individual, is tiring to treat everyone respectfully but everyone else still treats you like youā€™re unworthy of existing
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transmutationisms Ā· 1 year ago
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thoughts on girl dinner and other girlified trends/terms?
i don't use tiktok or instagram or watch youtube video essays so i am absolutely talking out my ass right now. as far as i can tell "girl dinner" started as a term for when you are a woman in a monogamous heterosexual relationship and your boyfriend-or-husband isn't around for the evening so you don't cook. from a cultural studies perspective, then, i actually think the term is more interesting for what it suggests about heterosexual partnerships and household labour than for the way i've seen it talked about (as representing some kind of broader trend of women's 'self-infantilisation'). that "girl dinner" has become shorthand for "restrictive eating dinner" shouldn't surprise anyone who pays the slightest bit of attention to literally any online food trend because they are basically all fated to go this way sooner or later lmao. like there are reasons people restrict their food intake and reasons they perform and gender it online but the conversations about these phenomena are pretty stale as long as they're dominated by people who are uninterested in challenging their own fatphobic and foodphobic assumptions because they're busy performing concern for whichever random obvious tiktok anorexic they're putting on blast.
anyway regarding other "girl [x]" (girl math or whatever): yeah it's obviously not, like, good gender politics. i think the level of moral outrage some people are leveraging at it is a little credulous, in the sense that there's often a weird narrative that 'feminism' (which and whose?) has 'regressed' to the point that everything has been 're-gendered' in this way...... i would like to know what circles these people have been running in where, like, people had ever stopped assuming that women and girls are less capable/etc than men and boys. like again it's not that i think slapping "girl" in front of something to signify it's easier/simplified/pink is good gender politics. but i don't think the underlying assumptions here are actually new or unprecedented, i think this is very much continuous with how people have been thinking about gender already. it's a particularly unsubtle expression of misogyny, which makes it easy to complain about, which feeds the social media algos just as much as the people using the "girl" terms in the first place. but like, that's really just the nature of any discussion taking place on a platform that is trying to monetise the fact and volume of human interaction, lmao.
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