#fallout discourse

[91vaults]

Ok so here's the thing: I totally get where the Fallout New Vegas crowd are coming from

(Note: I haven't watched the show yet I'm only going off what's come across my dash so keep that in mind)

Fallout New Vegas is and always will be my favorite fallout game. But I also love Fallout 4. I'm a member of both camps.

I'm also weird in that I love Fallout but absolutely will not touch anything else in the post-apocalyptic genre because...I kinda hate it.

Fallout is Post apocalyptic, but not in the same way something like "The Last of Us" is. It's not grounded in reality for one, and whilst society isn't necessarily moving "forward"...it does exist in one form or another...and it is moving.

And then you have Fallout New Vegas which is very much post-post apocalyptic. It's not just about the wasteland and survival and fighting: Society is moving forward What direction do we want it to go? (oh that and Casinos! you have to admin the casinos were fun)

People are absolutely correct in that the games still exist. Nothing is stopping you from playing them It's not erasing the whole game from canon (I think?) and in a game series like Fallout canon isn't the most important thing anyway.

But here's the thing: By wiping out all that stuff on the west coast, the NCR etc. It shows us how Bethesda see's the series. You know that thing you don't see as much nowadays: when a movie had a sequel they would just undo everything that happens in the first one off screen?

It's like that: We have to maintain the status quo: . Because it seems to Bethesda, fallout is about pew pew chaos in the wasteland! it's why it still looks like the bombs dropped last week even though it's been like (200 years?). It's all wasteland rubble and shanty towns! Because it's fallout, that's the brand. Thats what people expect. The FNV fans are frustrated because it's Bethesda sending a clear message that their vision for the series is very much "stuck in one place perpetually" as is often the case with the genre. forever looking back, never looking forward.

But it doesn't have to be like that! the series can move forward whilst still being Fallout. In fact it would be super cool to see a setting where society has started to built more. Like we saw in F:NV . It opens up new story opportunities. New factions, all kind of cool new shit.

This isn't about who likes what games or why or even about the show (I've heard good things, so honestly I hope I like it) . I don't care. I just think I can see the argument that Bethesds wouldn't really want to take the series in any particular new direction because they've settled into "the brand"

[priceseyes]

listennnn. I like vaultghoul/ghoulcy, obviously i ship it HELLOOOOO look at the content on my blog about them. HOWEVER, and this is just a personal preference for me, not trying to shade anyone. HOWEVER, the amount of dead dove content for them is INSANE and I'm not about that, just making that clear right now.

again, no shade towards anyone who might like that stuff but it's not for me. I get that the two get off on the wrong foot and plus, the potential for an enemies to lovers trope to fit in there between them is PERFECT but I don't think it should be filled with dead dove content as well, (I've also seen inc*st between hank and lucy and that's.....gross), just let them have a nice enemies to lovers dynamic and build a relationship through that.

anyways, again, just a personal preference for me is all because i do love the ship a lot and i just felt i should get this out. I don't know if others feel the same but, yeah!

[merciawintersageposting]

important community conversation:

which dean best captures your feelings about the fallout ghoul?

1. down-bad dean

2. “is this a crush or a new stripe on the Pride flag” dean

3. i feel this needs no caption

[theology101]

Roger Maxson is the most important man in Fallout American History

So tonight, as we break bread together, let us forge together something new. Something strong. Something we can be proud of. Something we can build upon. We'll preserve what's best of what's come before and use it. And one day, we will reclaim what was lost. Let us forge a Brotherhood of Steel.

I love great man history. It is entirely inaccurate and a horrible way to represent trends, war, geo-political power, and the thousands of little pieces that all make up 'history.' Great Man History swipes that all away and instead makes history a Biography, where the steps made by an individual would reverberate for eons to come. In real life, the amount of people who could possibly defined as 'Great Men' is minuscule (by my count, its 5) and its usage in chronicling history is dubious if not non-existent

But for storytelling? Hot DOG that gets my blood pumping!

Roger Maxson was a man on the Brink. His commanding officer, Colonel Robert Spindel had just committed suicide, leaving Maxson in command of the entire military brigade established at Mariposa - 1,500-3,200 soldiers, all of whom had to deal with the fact that their government willingly committed horrors against not only humans, but also American citizens. He was able to gather the families of his men, probably doubling their population numbers, and then watched as a week and a day after assuming command, Roger Maxson watched as nuclear flame wiped clean the entire surface.

This was not like Ellen Santiago on the East Coast, a military leader looking for some hope, some direction. This was a man who had declared independence from his country, had the Rose colored glasses ripped from his eyes and watched as consumerism and imperialism consumed the entire world. Mariposa was a military base... and also a corporate research center. Maxson would have been well aware of the economic situation prior to the war and would most likely have come to the conclusion that America was responsible for its own death.

I brought up Great Man history so let me plug one of those Great Men - Charlemagne. If you were gonna be boring about (IE an actual historian), you would look at how the Franks had been rising in local power for decades, and that Charlemagne used the foundation made by his grandfather and the relationship with Rome that had been fostered since the Merovingians to make the largest military powerhouse seen in the West since the fall of Rome. But if you were gonna be BASED AS FUCK (a bad historian but a good storyteller) you would write about how Charlemagne's personal brilliance and skill won the day. And the latter is exactly what Charlemagne would want you to think - so he had his legends made. Codifed centuries later as Chanson de geste, Charlemagne spent the majority of his time as Holy Roman Emperor myth-making about himself. Establishing epics, wondrous stories, and poems. Becoming more than himself and instead being Pater Europae

Roger Maxson: We need to do something bold. We can't just stay the US Army. What's going to happen, and this is only a matter of time, is some general, or some goddamned politician is going to exit a Vault and start ordering us around. And worse they'll order some grunt to start the whole damned cycle again. Another wave of nuclear death. And if that's not enough they'll do it again. You know they will, Lizzy. It ends with us. We won't let them.

Elizabeth Taggerdy: I... I understand. But a Brotherhood? Knights? I'm supposed to call you, what, Elder?

Roger Maxson: Words have power, Lizzy. They build identity. They take on a meaning if you keep using them, even if it didn't exist to begin with. It was the Knights and Scribes after the fall of Rome that protected what was left of Western civilization. So we are the new Knights and our role is similar. But we'll need more than names. We'll need new traditions, our own, well, mythology. Something people can believe to their core.

Elizabeth Taggerdy: Is this necessary?

Roger Maxson: What else can I do? Declare myself President? Make you a Senator? Look around. Something's killing us more than the rads and freaks out there. Depression. People have lost everyone. Every goddam soul. Wives, kids, loved ones, heck even the mailman. We need to replace it with something otherwise people's souls will wither. We'll be little more than walking dead men.

This quick move paid dividents to the Brotherhood as a whole and the Maxson family as a rule. America was a corrupt, bloated institution that would lead to its own death and cannibalization - so Maxson changed it. A cult of personality, a subculture independent from what came before it, a pseudo-monarchical meritocratic collectivistic state. Bound by their tenets and their Leader

Roger Maxson was a visionary, a man who knew that he had to become more than a man, had to become a symbol. And in fact, so did his entire Brotherhood. That what saved them from the ennui of the Enclave and NCR - they're something new, with their God King looking down at them. And it is this same legend and mythology that will allow for their unification under Arthur Maxson as the new High Elder. Two centuries later, people are still willing to join, fight, and sacrifice for the ideals of the Brotherhood and for the Name of Maxson, and with the adaption of some of Lyon's (and honestly, Roger Maxson's) strategies of recruitment, Arthur has ensured that they will keep going too.

If Maxson had instead simply become "Colonel Maxson of the US Army Remnant" I can guarantee he would be forgotten. But Roger Maxson, first High Elder, will be a name that never dies

[igottatho]

My last comment to her was: “if I can tolerate furries I can be okay with ghoul fuckers, lord have mercy on my soul”

I love all of you weirdos 🫂

[martian-martian-martian]

the whole ‘this person is against a ship that is actively pepetuated by creeps, so they must be a prude against kinky shipping’ is absolutely fucking hilarious to me.

sir i have fucked and beat people for money, you have the wrong person. i have nothing against kink.

i am on a recreational vendetta against turning canon characters into the same babygirl X edgy 50 Shades coded bs, and just coincidentally treating characters of color like they dont exist in the process because they dont fit into that tired ass ship narrative.

if anything its BECAUSE of my experience in kink culture as well as fic culture that i have no patience for the absolute snoozefest that is pairing infantalized, typically white women with older violent or abusive men, and the woman is ‘sassy’ and “takes no shit” but is ultimately surprise surprise sexually submissive and he has pet names and wow i fell asleep— it’s literally the most boring predicable heteronormative dynamic ever, there’s nothing interesting or fandom specific about it. it’s about as kinky as eating a piece of wheat bread. these people probably think smacking it while hitting from the back is kinky.

and it’s blatantly not about the show or source material or rooted in the actual plot. at all. the characters dont need to have any chemistry, attraction, or connection when you’re delusional!

it’s just any excuse to use the same fetish.

dont take my word for it!! if you look at their accounts, its the exact same dynamic? in everything?

and it’s one that overwhelmingly millenial white fems are obsessed with and if they see characters that they percieve as in the way of their shipping, they DOMINATE spaces to erase these characters, in this case characters of color (hmm). It happens with characters of color FREQUENTLY actually.

That is the problem. that’s why i care. its pretty simple.

and then they have the laughable nerve to be like “how dare you accuse me of having uncomfortable daddy issues that i project on any young female character” like dude im scrolling YOUR blog.

you’re not the kinky one. you’re BORING af.

keep healing please. faster if possible. or more quietly.

also, im not saying this shit in the ship tag, so get off my strap on. you guys are going out of your way to come to ME.

[takemetowonderlan-d]

The new fallout show on Amazon prime excites me SO MUCH. Not just because I get to see an adaptation of one of my favorite game series, but because I’m so excited to just watch a show again. You know, obsessing over ships and writing fanfic and waiting every week for a new episode etc. Fanart on tumblr and EVERYWHERE, maybe even some discourse over storylines or lore. I haven’t sat down and followed an actual show since like, idk, The Vampire Diaries lmao. Also, the new ghoul character who is a mix between Charon and Hancock?? HELLO???

[bellonathedragonborn]

God the Bethesda fanboys on Reddit and Facebook are something else. It’s been proven Bethesda doesn’t give a shit enough to use Docs and doesn’t care about lore established by Interplay/Obsidian.

YET, somehow Interplay is worse because they made Fallout 2??

[merciawintersageposting]

yeahhhh so this man stole my heart with a toilet seat and a hammer

I’m going to go insane why are so few people talking about him LOOK AT HIM.

[91vaults]

The regular fallout fans are loving it and having a great time

The OG/NV fans are absolutely pissed off and LIVID

“Fandom….Fandom never changes”

[ihateyouvulpesinculta]

fallout tumblr fans (who i sometimes suspect have never even played the game) will one day clear up the collective misconceptions everyone seemed to make up together

arcade doesn't use his SUPER INTELLIGENCE TM to clock Vulpes on the strip, vulpes has dialogue where he INTRODUCES HIMSELF AS VULPES INCULTA or alternatively, YOU recognize him and call him out

thats just one on my mind rn but when I see it I go ... hm

[valyrfia]

oh when I heard the word lestappen my first thought was, that one blog on tumblr is gonna have strong opinions and be angry about this, lmao

and you’d be correct. i DO have strong opinions and i AM a teensy bit angry about this. it’s not haha or funny that a guy in this charity event (and thus i assume within max’s circle) knows what lestappen is enough to be making jokes about it. this is what always happens when rpf doesn’t stay within designated spaces. this is what happens when people talk about it in ANY FORM on other platforms. i don’t care whether it’s an instagram comment going “omg lestappen 🥰” or people on twitter trying to get some sort of moral high ground by going “guys people ACTUALLY ship lestappen and there’s fic fic? ew!”. just please. stay quiet. do not talk about it for clicks it SHOULDN’T be that hard.

[merciawintersageposting]

a man with resting bad guy face™️ and no nose:

me, a simp:🥺🥰

How I’ve been welcoming the new Fallout fans:

[saltysultry]

“Ew why do you ship Ghoulcy? He’s old enough to be her great great grandfather and he tortures her!!!”

BECAUSE they’re parallels of each other despite their age difference and terrible interactions. Also, because I like toxic fucking ships! I’m not pretending their dynamic is sunshine and rainbows!!

The point of shipping Ghoulcy is because it’s fucked up and weird, OKAY?! That’s why it’s HOT! If you’re not into that, then Ghoulcy isn’t for you and stay outta the tags!!!

[genericpuff]

every now and then i get folks asking me "puff do you have any opinions on hazbin hotel"

and i know why they're asking because if there's any fandom that puts LO to shame, it's hazbin hotel / helluva boss and surely i must have some Very Strong Opinions(tm) about the show

but i seriously have never watched a single episode of that show and despite all the controversy and drama i've seen come from the discussion of both the show and its creator, the only thing that really bugs me out of the blue when i'm reminded HH exists are those exclusive playbills that people pre-ordered months ago and still haven't arrived

that is it, that is literally the extent of my engagement with the HH fandom, there will be no further questions about what i think regarding HH because i literally have no idea, they are best asked to whoever comes close to being the generic-puff equivalent of the HH fandom