#erasure of black jews

[cepheusgalaxy]

"Blackwashing" "too-woke headcanons" sure but when it's an aspec character then suddenly it's "LET'S PEOPLE ENJOY FANDOM."

[jewishvitya]

Why do we do this thing where we're like "You wouldn't do this to another marginalized community."

I just saw a video of a bi person going "people act like the only bi woman is white and middle class, but they don't do that with lesbians or gay men." I immediately thought "Yes they do, though."

I've seen people say it with "people wouldn't say it about Jews" as a talking point against racism, with examples that I've definitely seen happen to Jewish people. "People wouldn't say this to a Black person" about comments I've seen Black people receive.

"Don't tell me I can heal my invisible disabilities with enough willpower, people wouldn't say that to a wheelchair user!" - they say it.

It's rare that a bigoted mindset doesn't replicate itself across groups. There are specifics for each marginalized group, but if a shitty attitude exists towards one, it most likely exists towards others. If you haven't seen it - it's probably your positioning.

If you want to discuss an issue you experience, you don't have to use another marginalized group as an example of someone who has it better. If you're wrong and they do suffer, you just contributed to erasure.

[probablyasocialecologist]

Since the Israeli genocide in the Gaza Strip started, I have been reviewing British media and its everyday items, such as the newspaper, phone, posters, and TV channels that seep into the public’s consciousness. Without the critical tools and education to puncture through their framing, we become complicit and easily intimidated. Some media outlets have gone as far as spreading misinformation, which surely would have been considered a hate crime in other contexts. Both the Daily Telegraph and The Times chose this misinformation as the headline for their October 11th issues. Although some (not all!) of those newspapers have already retracted their original false claims, the damage has already been done.   The Guardian chose to adorn its main headline for October 12th with the words ‘Israelis suspended between fear, grief and foreboding.’ The Daily Mail selected ‘The King Calls Them Terrorists, Why Can’t the BBC?’ Marching to the same beat, the Daily Telegraph opted to plaster the Royals’ condemnation of Hamas on its front pages. Survey the pages of the newspapers, and the stories eliciting support and empathy for Israel abound, making it clear who the perpetrators are and that vengeance against them is justified. Meanwhile, the Palestinians are only evoked through the register of terrorism and violence. Even those headlines, which are shy in their coverage of the Israeli genocide in Gaza, intentionally omit the perpetrators: the Israeli army and state. They are designed to neglect the root and cause of the violence: Israeli settler colonialism. By settler colonialism, we mean the gradual transfer of European Jews to the land of Palestine, the coercive displacement and dispossession of the indigenous Palestinian population, and the imposition of a coordinated and sustainable system that turns this displacement into a continuous process.  Western media relies on racial, gendered, and colonial tropes to describe the atrocities in Palestine. It instrumentalizes white female faces to elicit support for Israel. Such a tactic simultaneously serves racism, patriarchy, and colonialism. It relies on notions of white female ‘innocence’ and ‘victimhood’ to justify the continuous erasure of Palestine. In a headline by the Daily Telegraph about a British IDF female soldier, below, we are shown a smiling white female soldier wearing military attire and a keffiyeh on her head. Neither the photograph nor the article questions why a British citizen is justified in enlisting in a settler army elsewhere, let alone the same army that is committing genocide in the Gaza Strip. To the contrary, the article frames such enlisting as voluntary and dignified. These strategies bring to mind 9/11, Laura Bush, and the weaponization of white feminism in the service of imperialist and colonial expansion. Black and Brown feminist scholars and activists, including Lila Abu Lughod, bell hooks, Angela Davis, Audre Lorde amongst others, have long debunked and punctured through such strategies. It is this same white feminism that has been utilized by the media and governments to justify the intensification of Israeli brutality against the Palestinian residents of Gaza. 

[the-garbanzo-annex-jr]

by Yossi Klein Halevi

Subsequently, the Soviet regime went a step further, from the erasure of the Holocaust to its inversion, equating Zionism with racism and even Nazism. The notion of Zionism as a form of racism was born in the Soviet Union. The regime understood that the only way to justify Jew-hatred from the left was through anti-racism. That ingenious ideological twist is the Soviet Union’s posthumous gift to Western anti-Zionists.

Is anti-Zionism, then, the latest iteration of antisemitism? Much of contemporary anti-Zionism uncomfortably fits the historic pattern of both symbolization and denialism. In the era of anti-racism and human rights, the Jewish state is turned into the criminal of nations, a symbol of racism and colonialism, and now even genocide. Reaching this conclusion requires a heavy dose of denialism: the erasure of the Zionist narrative, from the millennial-old Jewish roots in the land of Israel to the relentless war against Israel’s existence, which has forced Israel to act in sometimes brutal ways.

According to the anti-Zionist variation of supersessionism, sinful Israel has ceded its story to the Palestinians, who are, in effect, the new Jews, both as victims and as rightful heirs to the Holy Land. We are not only colonialists in our land but, in our story, imposters who must be expelled from both. In their fallen state, Jews have even forfeited the Holocaust; in this retelling, Gaza becomes the “Gaza Ghetto.” When a swastika is painted on the façade of a synagogue, it is no longer clear whether the perpetrators are far-rightists celebrating Nazism or far-leftists branding Jews as the new Nazis.

Astonishingly, the current rise in attacks on Jews coincides with the greatest mass slaughter of Israelis in a century of conflict between Arabs and Jews. The global assault emerged with the first reports of the Hamas massacre – before Israel’s counter-offensive even began. Antisemitism is a response not only to Jewish power, real or exaggerated but also to Jewish vulnerability; a successful attack on Jews rouses the antisemitic appetite.

The pretext offered for the widespread support among anti-Zionists for the Hamas massacre is based on two “denialist” arguments. The first is that the massacre was the inevitable result of the Israeli occupation. This argument ignores the fact that Hamas’ goal is not the end of the occupation of the territories Israel won in the 1967 Six-Day War but the destruction of the Jewish state. And it ignores the complicated history of how we have come to this point, including Palestinian rejection of every offer Israel has made over the years to end the occupation.

The second argument in support of the Hamas massacre is that it was not a massacre at all. There were no mass rapes; children weren’t burned alive. This latest expression of anti-Jewish denialism has taken the macabre form of tearing down posters of Israeli hostages, even blacking out their faces – a literal defacement. Embracing Hamas requires adopting its denial of the humanity of Israelis.

The British Jewish writer David Hirsh argues that the term “anti-Zionism” should be treated like “anti-Semitism,” removing the hyphen and lowercasing the “z.” Similar to the absence of meaning in “Semitism,” he notes “Zionism” for radical progressives is a fantasy construct, a demonic ideology with no resemblance to its actual nature. Historical Zionism incorporates almost the entirety of Jewish political and religious life – from social democrats to Marxists, from theocrats to Reform Jews to secular liberals. To reduce “Zionism” to a form of colonialism not only does violence to the Jews’ attachment to their ancient land but to the complexity of Zionism itself.

[jewishbarbies]

the erasure of jewish identities of superheroes bother me so much… that is core symbolism and representation and the creations of JEWISH PEOPLE as a result of what jewish people have gone through. how are you gonna pretend they dont exist.

the christian-ification of superman is my 13th reason. there’s no way you, as an appropriator of jewish beliefs as is, is going to take the most obvious Moses allegory ever and pretend like acktually that’s jesus. and give him BLUE EYES. the excuse from nerdbros is always some shitty word salad about “every character has multiple iterations so there’s no TRUE canon” and then get mad when there’s a black spiderman. it’s the same bullshit when you say scarlet witch is roma and more recently also jewish. like the mcu literally decided that judaism is the same as christianity so the son of a rabbi is like the son of a priest and therefore has religious trauma when the character in question canonically only had religious adjacent trauma because of antisemitic crimes against him, as if daredevil isn’t RIGHT THERE. he has enough catholic guilt to cover it. but no, we’re going to fuck up an infamously jewish character for the hell of it. the absolute disrespect shown to not only jewish characters, but the jews who created them, is insane. there’s no way you can claim to love and respect stan lee and then pull that fucking shit.

[swolesome]

What if I told you that the antidote to Islamophobia isn't Antisemitism?

CW for this post (you have seen the title.) I feel like this shouldn't need explaining, but merciful Brigid, some of the shit I have seen. It's time for Led Tasso to come out. I'm not Jewish, let's just get that out of the way first, but my position on Palestine is largely informed by Jewish people who have been protesting for decades about the horrific treatment of Palestinians being done by a settler colonial state appropriating their religion, culture, language, and trauma. Fascist governments weaponizing fear and hiding behind religion is a well known tactic, and the fact that so many people have put this readily available information from their minds, specifically in this conversation, speaks to how incredibly pernicious antisemitism really is. I'm treading lightly here because as someone who's not Jewish, it really isn't my place to explain the cultural complexities, trauma, or general experiences of Jewish people. But if you haven't seen those discussions crossing your feed, you should be looking inward and asking why. Because if you're not invested in Jewish voices right now (or in general), that's a red flag for the kind of rhetoric you've internalized and the struggles you take seriously. The position I can speak from, however, is one of being committed to challenging all forms of systemic violence and oppression. So from that stance, and I cannot stress this enough: If you are fighting for some at cost to others, you are reinforcing oppression. It is wild to me that "Nazi" has come to mean "The worst thing a person can be" without recognition of the fact that the ideology is inherently antisemitic, that this is its centrepiece, that Jews are the number one target. This separation is, once again, an example of how insidious this brand of hatred really is--blatant erasure of the way Jewish people are uniquely targeted. I know a lot of trans people follow me, so here's a fun fact: You know the "Doctors are transing our kids to damage fertility rates!" conspiracy? You can thank antisemitism for that, too! It's literally just a rebrand of the Great Replacement conspiracy, which is modernized "protection of Aryan bloodlines." The most recent chapter of "My Life as A Bigot" by Joanne Klan Rowling isn't just another gleeful display of her hatred of trans people, it's another addition to the laundry list of antisemitic beliefs and talking points she's been peddling for years. The Charlottesville "unite the right" Nazi rally was spurred on by the removal of confederate statues and anti-Black racism. What is it they were chanting, again? Anyone remember? Any of this ringing a bell? OH RIGHT. "Jews will not replace us." So many other forms of systemic violence are steeped in the poisonous rhetoric of antisemitism. Acting like this isn't the case damns our Jewish siblings who need us while weakening our understanding of the oppressive forces we're fighting. "One struggle" includes all of us. The fact that the Likud government uses accusations of antisemitism as a cover for their violence should make you more diligent about condemning antisemitism, not less. Because letting them weaponize something that is already so widespread and destructive makes it that much harder to dismantle.

Do not stop talking about Palestine. Do not stop speaking up against the horrors of settler colonial violence. But if you can't do this without throwing another group of oppressed people under the bus, you need to question where you learned your resistance tactics, because the company you're keeping there should disgust and terrify you.

[baeddelations]

Nazi germany is "uniquely evil" in the sense that western nationalist mythology needs it to be the most evil thing it can think of. It is an important spectre in tge western psyche as so unlike the nation state that they exist in. While blatantly ignoring the apocalypse level genocides that made it into what it is today. I think alot of this is yes the erasure and white washing of these histories, and the need for enemy that constitues nationalism, but also is about the way we frame these massacres.

This history allows for willfull ignorance. Obfuscation of the humanity of the other through exaggerated difference, (Savages, heathens, barbarians) but in the example of Nazis we often focus in on the antisemitism of their machinations. Anti-semitism is a such a central pillar to this ideology bc in a lot of ways, then and now, they had been thorughly integrated into the vague hegemonic social structure that we often refer to as whiteness. This is important for conspiracy theories bc you need a part of the conspiracy to have wealth and power. It was important to the nazis for similar reasons with different ends: nationalizing those resources into the war machine.

Narratively for the rest of the world this is important for the reason jewish folks could be framed as citizens(not savages, heathens, barbarians) this is the uproar and this is why it is so focused on the jewish genocide when we talk about the holocaust, and often allow for the genocide of queer ppl, disabled ppl, itinerant ppl, mad ppl, romani ppl, black ppl, various eastern europeans, free masons, and religious minorities to go undiscussed. There were far more jews in the country at the time than any of these other groups individually but more total of these groups killed than total jewish ppl killed. Obviously all of these deaths are atrocious but it is uniquely atrocious bc ppl deemed citzens in the psyche of the western world were killed.

So much of the atrocities happening in nazi germany were being perpetrated by the rest of the western world just not to citizens. The holocaust spurred this assimilation and the large scale support of the 9th crusade(israel). So yes it is "unique". it needs to be so that we can exceptionalize it, to excuse the rest of us.

[girlactionfigure]

It is very concerning that Antisemitism and genocidal calls against Jewish people are only deemed condemnable by governmental and religious figures if it is coupled with a denunciation of Islamophobia. Such conditional condemnations appear as mere political maneuvers, coated with empty lip-service. The Antisemitism we are witnessing today is clear advocacy for another Holocaust, where all Jews are being targeted. While acknowledging the existence of daily attacks against Muslims, the comparison fails, as there is no movement seeking the erasure of 1.8 billion Muslims from planet Earth. Insisting on condemning Antisemitism only if Islamophobia is condemned is dangerous because Islamophobia doesn’t come from Jewish people, and Antisemitism is of many flavours. Islam is not at war with Judaism; instead, both Jews and Muslims confront the threat posed by Islamist terrorists. Each struggle is unique, and imposing conditions on condemnation diminishes the struggles faced by innocent victims from different communities. You cannot compare a genocide, to an attack on a Mosque. When was the last time you heard of an interfaith event to condemn Anti-Black Racism… on the condition that Anti-Asian Racism is also condemned. These are two different struggles, and Asians in America did not live the painful history of African Americans or the slave trade. It would be an insult to the entire Black American population. To truly combat bigotry, we must unequivocally condemn each form without diluting their significance through false comparisons and misleading headlines. If you condemn Antisemitism, then condemn Antisemitism. Thank you and God Bless.

Imam of Peace

[earthytzipi]

as much as Zionism is a colonial project (though I tend to take the view as expressed in "Decolonizing Jewishness" re: Zionism as failed decolonization attempt) I think it's extremely reductive to claim that Ashkenormativity is to blame for the colonial nature of the Zionist reality. as more and more people from outside of Jewish spaces are introduced to the concept of Ashkenormativity, "Ashkenazi" is being used as a synonym for white and for colonizer.

this is not the whole picture. first and foremost, a large percentage of Ashkenazim are not white, though of course many of us are. conflating Ashkenazim with whiteness, both inside and outside of the Jewish community, contributes to the erasure of Jewish People of Color. additonally, the first Jews in the western hemisphere, arriving with conquistadors and colonizers, were, in fact, Sephardi. in the US, almost every Jewish person was Sephardi until the second half of the 19th century. Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews have also historically participated in and currently participate in Zionism, including in the settlements. furthermore, when we're talking about Israel's suppression of diasporic culture, a very real phenomenon, we need to discuss how many Ashkenazi cultural elements were also suppressed - including Yiddish and Ashkenazi Hebrew. in fact, Ashkenazim from Europe who wanted to hang onto their diasporic cultures were considered weak and effeminate. this reality should make sense to everyone who is aware of how Holocaust survivors are treated in Israel. in Israeli society, there is contempt for EVERY Jewish culture that is not Israeli, and of course that is compounded and exacerbated by racism for Mizrahi, Ethiopian, Indian, and other Jewish groups of color.

it's not the same dichotomy as the Black vs white dichotomy set up by US/UK/French/Spanish/etc colonization, and the term "Ashkenormativity" being taken out of Jewish contexts and applied to Zionism just makes Ashkenazim a convenient scapegoat for all the evils of Zionism. the main consequence I'm seeing is the idea that Ashkenazim are "fake European Jews" in contrast to the "real Middle Eastern Jews." this idea hurts us all. Jewish people are from every corner of the globe, and every Jewish person is a real Jewish person. I'm asking those of us who are pro-Palestine to tread very carefully when discussing this issue, and maybe retire the use of "Ashkenormativity" when it comes to discussing the racism of Zionism, which Jewish people from every diasporic background can and do participate in. Ashkenormativity refers to the centering of Ashkenazi history and customs when discussing Jewishness, and I'm really concerned that the way I'm seeing it used does not meet that definition and is not helpful (and maybe ends up centering Ashkenazi "evilness" or "Europeanness" while still not discussing Sephardi, Mizrahi, and other Jewish diasporic group's histories at all outside of their interactions with Ashkenazim in Israel). there's a lot of racism Jewish spaces, in Zionism, and in Israeli society, I just think we should call it racism and white supremacy.

[matan4il]

Just wanted to send some love your way 🩵 Im a left-ish diaspora Jew who had, up until really recently, taken the stance that the conflict between Israel and Palestine was too complex for me to fully understand. I appreciate blogs like yours because they have genuinely helped me understand and see through the narratives that both sides are equally at fault, or that Israel is some colonialist war machine bent on gobbling up all available territory at the expense of everyone else’s lives.

It’s kind of frightening for me to have a stance at all, when the people around me were all silent on October 7th but have no issue hanging Palestinian flags outside their homes and filling their social media with slogans that they claim are simply “anti Zionist” but are absolutely anti-Semitic.

I don’t know how to explain to them that YES my heart bleeds for every average human in Gaza who genuinely does want to just exist, but that doesn’t meant that I think the onus for peace lays exclusively on Israel’s shoulders, and I don’t support disbanding Israel as a country. I worry a lot about being too one-sided or simplifying things too much; I still feel very much like I’m sitting in a middle position, due to those concerns. And it’s scary that it still wouldn’t be enough for people — FRIENDS, even — around me.

Sorry for the ramble. Thank you for your informative posts. Speaking as someone who finds a lot of joy in fandom stuff, I really hope the tides turn so that kind of thing can occupy more space in your mind than worrying does 🩵

Awww, Nonnie! I am hugging you SO MUCH!

My heart aches, because you're absolutely right. It doesn't matter how much we'll denounce racism, they will still call us racist. It doesn't matter how often we state that we want life and dignity for both Jews AND Palestinians, they'll still accuse us of supporting genocide. It doesn't matter if we'll criticize the government, they'll still claim we're brainwashed to silence our voices.

So if it's not about our actual beliefs and positions, what's it about?

It's about the fact that we're Jews. And we're told that we can only be "good" Jews if we throw our fellow Jewish people under the bus, even though for every other minority, solidarity is encouraged and celebrated. We're only "good" Jews if we give up our native rights by adhering to a narrative that paints us as colonizers of our own ancestral land, even as native rights are upheld as vital for every other indigenous group. We're only "good" Jews by doubting the multiple testimonies of rape and baby beheadings, even though every victim is supposed to be heard and believed. We're only "good" Jews if we agree to give up the right to self defense, which means we give up the right to live safely, to live peacefully... really, if we give up the right to live, period. All while telling us this is due to the value of all human life. They're literally gaslighting us with "All Lives Matter," and it's the same crowd who could recognize the issue with that slogan, when it was used to silence black people demanding that very same right.

We do not have to go along with this modern "witch test," where they try us by dunking us into water, and the only way to be "innocent" is to die drowning, so if we didn't, then we're witches, and we die still, because they burn us at the stake. I refuse to collaborate with the erasure of Jewish identity, history and rights, which leaves all Jews stripped of protection, vulnerable to abuse, and I will keep speaking, even if they call me every dirty name they can think of for recognizing the Jewish right to live, and to live in our historic homeland, especially as we have always been willing to live here side by side with others. Whatever they say about me, at least I won't be a tokenized Jew, that they can use to bully other Jews into silence.

We absolutely can be pro-Israeli AND pro-Palestinian, rather than turning anti-Israeli to "prove" we're good, pro-Palestinian Jews.

I'm sorry, IDK if I'm actually helping here! Just know that you're not alone in feeling this way. Actually, the fantastic Mayim Bialik also talked about this recently, so I'll give you her eloquent words:

(this is just a part of the vid, you can find the whole thing here)

Thank YOU for the kind words! And may we all get back to just being able to enjoy fandom as the fun, escapist hobby it should be. Sending you lots of hugs and love! xoxox

(for all of my updates and ask replies regarding Israel, click here)

[edenfenixblogs]

Why do I post so much about antisemitism?

I post about it exactly as often as I experience it

People think antisemitism isn’t real

People think antisemitism isn’t that bad

People think antisemitism is justifiable as long as it is directed toward “bad” Jews. Like any other form of bigotry, it is always bad. Candace Owens has terrible anti-Black, extremely racist opinions. It’s still not OK to hurl racist insults at her. Isis and Hamas are terrorist organizatjons committing terrible crimes against humanity while invoking Islam . It’s still not ok to insult Islam while talking about them or to be racist and Islamophobic toward Muslims or Arabs. Netanyahu is an actual monster whose actions are destroying lives in Palestine, Israel, and worldwide. Jewish West Bank settlers are being extremely hostile, racist, and terrible. It’s still not ok to use antisemitic conspiracies, tropes, or insults against them. Ever. And it’s certainly not ok to use them against ordinary civilians who happen to share a race or religion with the worst people who share those identities.

I want to show all the ways antisemitism hurts.

I want to show how the damage from antisemitism lingers long after the first moment its experienced

I want people to understand that even if I don’t support Netanyahu or the Likud government or the broad actions of the IDF or the indiscriminate bombing of Palestine or the subjugation of Palestinians (and to be very clear—I do not support these things) I’m still allowed to be upset about the global hatred toward Israel right now based solely on the fact that I am Jewish. To say that makes me a supporter of colonialism or genocide is antisemitic. Why? Because half of the Jews in the entire world live in Israel. If half the Muslims in the entire world lived in America or half the Christians in the entire world lived in Japan, then everyone started calling all Christians or Muslims in that country evil/colonizers/oppressors and saying that they should lose protection and citizenship from those places, then it would make sense for all Muslims or Christians around the world to be very upset by that. Not because the Muslims or Christians in those nations are always perfect. But because, hey, seeing that people are perfectly ok condemning half everyone with whom you share a religion will cause you to be sad. And empathetic. And because obviously condemning that many people for anything as if they are all equally responsible is fundamentally wrong. Especially if your only basis for that condemnation is someone’s religion and where they live.

My trauma response is to fawn. To be aggressively kind and complimentary to show I’m not a threat. That I don’t deserve to be hated. That I promise I’m not worth your aggression. This is unhealthy for me personally. This is a bad way to live. This is a disservice to my fellow Jews who don’t deserve to experience antisemitism, regardless of any of their other actions. Instead, I am laying my pain bare for you all to see. I am using my pain to educate you. I am using my desire to help you to keep me patient while I try to educate you while experiencing an endless barrage of hatred all day every day. That hatred is not all violent or aggressive. Very often that hatred is neglect, erasure, and the revocation of societal privileges until I behave in an acceptable manner. But sometimes it is aggressive and violent as well.

People say that I am making a genocide “all about me,” but I’m not. You are. Why do your actions in preventing and fighting an ethnic cleansing on the other side of the world involve causing me emotional pain, social isolation, and ethnoreligous erasure? The problem isn’t that I’m speaking up. It’s that you’re too busy speaking over me to listen to what I’m saying and to stop being harmful.

Because I have the emotional capacity to be patient and to engage when many of my Jewish peers do not. I have the position of relative safety where I can post about these things without facing actual physical harm. Many of my Jewish peers do not. While I would never speak on behalf of other Jews’ opinions, I will certainly speak FOR my fellow Jews. For the dignity, respect, safety, love, and community they all deserve.

Because when this conflict is over or even just calmed down enough to not be at the top of the zeitgeist anymore, I don’t want any of you to have the excuse of saying you didn’t know what you were doing or the harm you were causing. You know. I’m telling you. Repeatedly.

Because despite everything I’ve just written, I know most of you won’t even listen until I confirm that I do support Palestinian self determination, citizenship, equality, and indigeneity. Which I do. I support all those things. I shouldn’t have to in order to avoid antisemitism though.

Because most people in my life have pulled away in this time and if I don’t share my pain here I’ll explode.

Because I have nobody else non-Jewish to share this with. You’ve isolated me. I’m alone. You did this. I could have been marching with you. But you hate me too much to let me fight for a cause we both believe in alongside you. And you aren’t even aware you hate me at all, because it’s so ingrained in you.

[antisemitism-101]

What do you wish non-Jews understood about Zionism?

Hi friend!  I am unspeakably thrilled that this is the first question I got.

What do I wish non-Jews knew about Zionism?  My number one wish?

Jews define 'Zionism' differently than non-Jews do.  Especially right now.  That's causing miserable communication problems.

I know that’s a lot to unpack, so let me break that down.

How do Jews define Zionism?  Inconsistently.

The only common thread connecting different Zionist beliefs among Jews is: a Jewish state of Israel should exist.  I've seen Jewish people call themselves 'Zionists' to refer to anything from:

"I have been fighting for Palestinian liberation for decades.  I also do not want Israel erased from the earth.  It is full of Jewish people who were kicked out of surrounding countries the moment Israel was established, and where else could they go?"

to

"How dare you criticize anything Israel has done??"

To get a sense of how diversely Jews define 'Zionism', take a look at this Wikipedia article on types of Zionism.  Nine different definitions of the main branches of Zionism, many in conflict with each other, and that's without including "Christian Zionism".

Jewish definitions of 'Zionist' are frequently also based on personal relationships to Israel.  There's a longing for a state of Israel embedded into religious Jewish ritual (small example: since the 15th century, Jews have said "Next year in Jerusalem" at the end of Passover); many USA-based Jewish people have actually been there because of the Birthright Israel program, which sends Jewish kids to Israel for a week at no cost; and many of us have family or friends there.

How do non-Jews define Zionism?  Infrequently!

You’ve probably seen calls to deplatform Zionists, or seen 'Zionist' used to mean pro-genocide, pro-settler-colonialism, and probably racist against Palestinians.  (If you haven't, keep reading: I include some examples later this post.)

But how many times have you seen anyone actually define the term?

It might seem like you don't need to!  Like everyone knows what the term means.  But in an Ipsos/University of Maryland poll last June, right before the conflict, almost 2/3 of people in the US had no idea what Zionism meant.  More than twice as many as had an opinion on it!

I blame that confusion on a lot of stuff, the lack of a single Jewish definition among them.  But when a term is that loosely understood, there’s room for whoever to come up with their own definition. 

What kinds of communication problems are happening because of differences in how 'Zionism' is defined?

1. Legitimate grievances are getting lost in arguments over language.  People are talking past each other’s pain.

In May 2024, there was supposed to be a "Confronting Hate Together" exhibition at the Wing Luke Museum in Seattle—a joint project by AAPI, Black, and Jewish groups about our shared history of facing prejudice.

That was always going to be a challenging exhibit to plan in 2024.  I already mentioned frequent Jewish personal connections with Israel.  Solidarity between Black communities and Palestinian communities is particularly strong right now (here's a history of that shift from Black support for Israel to Palestine) and AAPI groups frequently count Palestinians as members.  Collaborations were likely to be prickly and require delicacy and clear communication.

Neither happened.

Instead, a museum-approved panel written by the Washington Jewish Historical Society included the following language: "On university campuses, pro-Palestinian groups have voiced support for Hamas (which is classified as a terrorist organization by the U.S. government) and a Palestinian state stretching 'from the river to the sea,' a phrase defined by the erasure of Israel."

That phrasing shouldn't have gotten approved by the museum.  It should barely have been a first draft.  It insists on a single, hostile definition of 'from the river to the sea', one that many Palestinians would disagree with, and also to me implies that all pro-Palestinian groups are pro-terrorist: not exactly 'together' material.  Walking out over it is understandable.

But that's not what the main criticism was of the panel: it's that it was Zionist.

The accompanying Instagram post added, "Zionist language in the new exhibit "Confronting Hate Together" sets a dangerous precedent of platforming colonial, white supremacist perspectives and goes against the Museum’s mission as a community-based museum advancing racial and social equity."

Listing 'Zionist language' as the problem is too broad to be actionable. And insisting Zionism is a 'colonial, white supremacist perspective' is going to put any Jewish group whose definition of Zionism doesn't include white supremacy on the defensive-- which is basically all of them. (Side note: please, someone ask me about whiteness and Judaism! I want to answer an ask on this SO BADLY).

Even if those Jewish groups are ready to hear and adapt to specific critiques, the opportunity for them to do so has been lost.

To me, nobody won this miscommunication.  The people who walked out got their demands met, sure, but the entire exhibit got scrapped—an exhibit, again, meant to bring Black, Jewish, and AAPI communities together in solidarity.  The executive director of the Wing Luke Museum resigned four months after the walkout (it's not confirmed the two are directly connected, but I assume they are.)  And the Washington Jewish Historical Society, instead of having any further opportunities to course-correct, build solidarity, and maybe be more empathetic to pro-Palestinian groups, displayed the exhibit, alone, at a single event in September. I'm genuinely sad about the whole thing.

2. 'Zionist' is being used as an excuse to shut Jewish people up, whether or not they are Zionist.

Let me show you what I mean, and please stay with me here.

It's worth reading the whole Tumblr post this comes from, but I'm going to excerpt the most relevant part:

A few different things I would really like you to note:

A Jewish person, who is not Zionist, is being called a Zionist for literally no reason.  Nothing they said relates to Zionism or Israel; they have gone out of their way to repeatedly state that they are not Zionist; yet that is the response they are getting.

'Zionist' is being treated as a slur—a name to call someone to discredit and dismiss them.  And 'Zionist' is the last word of this post for a reason—it’s supposed to be the last impression passersby have of the argument.  Oh, of course I shouldn’t listen to this person’s concerns: they’re a Zionist. 

(You see this kind of behavior with 'pro-genocide' too, treated absolutely synonymously.  Both are popular responses when a Jewish person raises concerns about antisemitism—which I’ll show you next.)

These experiences are common enough among outspoken Jewish people that they are being collected, dated, and timestamped.

Here’s another example of this in action, this time about the celebrity Stephen Fry:

For those who don't click through, Stephen Fry's speech, in its entirety:

"I am Stephen Fry, and I am a Jew. The great Irish thinker and writer Conor Cruise O'Brien once said that antisemitism is a light sleeper. Well, it seems to have woken up of late. The horrendous events of October 7th, and the Israeli response, seem to have stirred up this ancient hatred. It's agonizing to see all violence and destruction that is unfolding, and the terrible loss of life on both sides brings me an overwhelming sadness and heartache. But whatever our opinions on what is happening, there can be no excuse for the behaviour of some of our citizens. Since October the 7th, there have been 50 separate reported incidents of antisemitism every single day in London alone, an increase of 1350%, according to the Metropolitan police. Shop windows smashed, stars of David and swastikas daubed on walls of Jewish properties, synagogues, and cemeteries. Jewish schools have been forced to close. There is real fear stalking the Jewish neighbourhoods of Britain. Jewish people here are becoming fearful of showing themselves, in Britain, in 2023."

Stephen Fry is here talking about concretely threatening acts of antisemitism that have happened since October 7.  Swastikas painted on the walls of Jewish community structures.  Jewish businesses getting their windows smashed in.

The response was "To hear him conflate antiZionism with antisemitism has shocked me.  To see him show no care or support for Palestinians has broken me… Smashed windows vs carrying your dead child?"

Once again, Zionism is being brought up and used to discredit Stephen Fry despite not being brought up once in Fry's speech

Fry, a Jewish man, goes out of his way to mention that he is explicitly holding the "terrible loss of life on both sides" in his heart, but is characterized as "showing no care or support for Palestinians."

'Anti-zionism is not antisemitism' is being used to dismiss these concretely threatening acts of antisemitism as insignificant.  Especially upsetting acts of antisemitism, even: to Jewish people, when people perform these specific acts of antisemitism, breaking the windows of businesses and forcibly labeling Jewish buildings, it feels like not just an act of vandalism but a deliberate reference to the Holocaust.  A way of saying, we might not have the institutional power to wipe you out, but we still want to, and don’t you forget it.

These aren’t outliers: they’re patterns.  Basically every Jewish person who's spoken out about antisemitism this year has had the word 'Zionist' directed at them in these antisemitic, not just anti-Zionist, ways.  I’m happy to give you more examples if you want them.

3. Personal communication problems are happening, and Jewish people are hurting over them.

Imagine you are hurting, and you reach out to a good friend.  You tell them: please help.  I am sure you do not mean this, but you are repeating language people use to silence me.  You are calling for my friends and family to be shut out of community life because of their religious beliefs and/or personal ties.  That call is spreading further and further through my community.  I am afraid. I feel unwelcome.

What response would you expect?  For me, I would expect: oh my gosh.  How am I doing that?  How can I help?  Or at least: the language you’re objecting to means something different to me.  Can we talk through some shared language instead?  I don’t want to hurt you.

Imagine, instead, getting silence. Crickets. At best.

Imagine this as the main alternative:

You're overreacting.  That language isn't actually a call to exclude your family from public life: it’s directed at someone else.  The Bad Ones.  And you have no right to be afraid, or hurt.  Stop using your pain as a distraction from other people's real pain.

That is what this year has felt like to many Jews, along many axes—"Zionist" is just one of them.  And it especially stings coming from leftist communities. 

When Jewish people see misery in the world, we must act, because we, as a people, have gone through misery too. We've been kicked out of our homes; persecuted and killed for existing; been beaten up in playgrounds and kept out of schools.  We are morally obligated to use our millennia of misery to help people through similar struggles.  To heal at least some of the pain in the world. 

We have seen leftist communities act on those principles for our whole lives.  Have lived as part of those communities, extending our hands together in kindness and compassion to those who need it.  Now we Jewish people are reaching out for those hands, and can't understand why it feels like we're constantly touching air.

(If you are Palestinian, or otherwise directly impacted by the Israel/Palestine conflict: use whatever terminology you want.  You are going through something I cannot even imagine: I would never try to police how you talk about it.)

So, my helpers.  How can you help?

Show compassion for Palestinian suffering and support Jewish people who are scared.

You, reading this, have a big enough heart to hold both Jewish fear and Palestinian suffering.  I know you do.  I'm glad you are fighting for Palestinian liberation: please engage with Jewish people compassionately about our fear too!

Reach out to a Jewish friend and just… check whether they are okay.  Post publicly about some obvious incident of antisemitism and condemn it.  Someone caring, without being prompted, is a low bar that almost no one is hitting for us this year.  Doing so will make us feel so much safer and more loved.

Refuse to use 'Zionist' to dismiss anyone's unrelated ideas.  Call out that behavior when you see it.

Remember: 'Zionist' is used to dismiss ideas that aren't Zionist, from people who aren't Zionist, because they are Jewish.   In fact:

If you are not Jewish, Israeli, or Palestinian, choose a more specific word than 'Zionist.'

You don't need a special Israelis Only term to communicate displeasure. Even if you want one, 'Kahanist,' rather than 'Zionist', is the ideology responsible for Israel’s shittiest actions right now: see what I mean here (the Otzma Yehudit party is Kahanist).

Alternate words you could consider for complaints you have about Israeli government actions:

Imperialism

Cutting off aid

Nationalism

Displacement

Even genocide, I think my Zionist friend would agree, is better than Zionist-as-slur in terms of keeping Jewish people around the world safe.  (Zionist friend: "I'm not sure I agree that "genocide" is better than "Zionist" in terms of not inflaming antisemitism. It is a SUPER loaded term.")

If you, as a non-Jew, non-Israeli, non-Palestinian, must use the term 'Zionist', and I really don't understand why you must: define it up-front so people know what definition you are working from, and acknowledge that there are alternate definitions of the term that others might be working from.

If you see anyone calling someone a 'Zio', disengage.  That term originates in white supremacist communities, and engaging with white supremacist ideas is wildly unlikely to help.

If you feel like they are people you can reach and want to keep trying— I understand! But please, do it privately. Don't amplify what they are saying on a public platform.

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Thank you, again, for caring to learn and wanting to help.  I appreciate having you as part of this conversation, and if you have any questions about, or even disagreements with, things I am saying here, I welcome you.  And if you have other questions about antisemitism you want answered: I am here for you.

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"A study by professors Jay P. Greene, Albert Cheng, and Ian Kingsbury, found that the more education a person has, the more anti-Semitic he is likely to be.

Though earlier studies had suggested a correlation between low education levels and anti-Semitism, Greene et al suspected that those with higher education were too sophisticated to give “wrong” answers when asked straight up how they felt about Jews or whether they agreed with blatantly anti-Semitic stereotypes. So instead, the researchers used a test based on double standards by asking about comparable cases involving a Jewish example and a non-Jewish example. And they found that “more highly educated people were more likely to apply principles more harshly to Jewish examples.”

In the test, no subject was asked both about the Jewish case and the non-Jewish case to prevent them from discerning the nature of the test. When asked, for instance, whether “attachment to a foreign country creates a conflict of interest,” respondents with four-year degrees were 7 percent more likely, and those with advanced degrees 13 percent more likely, to express concern when the country was Israel than when it was Mexico. Those with advanced degrees were 12 percent more likely to support the military in prohibiting Jewish yarmulkes than in prohibiting Sikh turbans. While a majority of respondents supported a ban on public gatherings during Covid, those with advanced degrees were 11 percent more likely to do so with respect to Orthodox funerals than BLM protests.

The authors conclude their Tablet article (“Are Educated People More Anti-Semitic?” March 30, 2021), by quoting Harvard professor emerita Ruth Wisse, who argues that anti-Semitism flourishes when “it forms part of a political movement and serves a political purpose.” And such political causes are increasingly those favored by the well-educated in the US.

Horn herself provides a fascinating real-life example of differential treatment involving Jews. She wrote a piece on anti-Semitism for the New York Times. During the editorial process, she was relentlessly fact-checked on her assertion that violation of Jewish women had been widespread in the 1918–1921 Russian civil war and in the 1941 Farhud pogrom in Baghdad. Yet that same paper rushed to print a highly inflammatory (an ancient Tunisian synagogue was burned down in response) and false Hamas claim that Israel had bombed a Gaza hospital and inflicted 500 casualties, with no apparent fact-checking.

Often times the differential attention focused on Jews reflects an obsession with us. Since 1948, the number of casualties in the Arab-Israeli conflict ranks somewhere around 50th in world conflicts. Yet it has sucked up almost all the attention. Over half a million people were killed in the Syrian civil war, including some with poison gas, and millions displaced from their homes. Black Darfurian tribesman have been slaughtered by Sudanese Arabs in even greater numbers. Can anyone remember one mass demonstration protesting those slaughters? Or against Russia’s deliberate targeting of hospitals, apartment buildings, and other civilian sites in Ukraine? Or against Chinese concentration camps for two million imprisoned Uighurs? Compare that silence to dozens of anti-Israel demonstrations every day in cities and on campuses around the world.

Israel is constantly accused of genocide against Palestinians, even though under Israeli rule, Palestinians life expectancies increased 50 percent and infant mortality declined by three-quarters. Yet it is Hamas whose charter explicitly calls for the extermination of Jews around the globe — i.e., genocide. This is inversion of the worst sort. The accusation of genocide against Israel is a form of erasure of the Holocaust; alleged Jewish guilt an expiation of gentile sins of many greater times magnitude.

- https://mishpacha.com/anti-semitism-for-smarties/

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Marvel Studios, founded by various American Jews, recently released the first trailer for Captain America: Brave New World. 

Amid the excitement for the legendary Captain America saga to continue with Sam Wilson at its helm, Jewish and Israeli Marvel fans noticed something odd: Sabra, Israel’s Captain America, will be portrayed as a former Black Widow instead of the superhuman Mossad agent she was originally intended to be.

However, erasing a character’s Jewish identity is not something that is entirely new to Marvel. 

Although a recent Wrap report indicates that Sabra will retain her Israeli background in the film following a backlash from fans, Marvel’s approach to dealing with Sabra highlights a complex relationship between the studio and its portrayal of Jewish characters. In short, Marvel has a history of minimizing Jewish representation in its works.

In Marvel’s upcoming Captain America: Brave New World, the Israeli-born Mossad super-agent Ruth Bar-Seraph, known as Sabra, has been reimagined as a Russian spy. Her powers include super strength, speed, regenerative healing, and the ability to transfer her life energy to others. 

Sabra, an Israeli cactus that’s prickly on the outside and sweet on the inside, is symbolic of the Israeli mindset. This significant reinvention intentionally deprives her of her Israeli identity and the deeply rooted Jewish trauma embedded in her story, replacing it with a more convenient narrative. 

By sidestepping these crucial elements of Sabra’s heroism, Marvel chooses to sanitize complex identities rather than embracing their power. In light of the ongoing war in Gaza, this erasure is particularly painful, as Israelis and Jews worldwide continue their struggle for authentic representation in the media. 

Marvel’s deliberate decision to whitewash Sabra’s identity ignores the genuine, contemporary trauma and historical persecution faced by the Jewish people. The decision underscores that the delegitimization of the Jews and their homeland cannot even be escaped on the big screen. 

Marvel’s latest attempt at a Jew-free superhero lineup doesn’t begin with Sabra. It has roots in the X-Men, Avengers, and Moon Knight — all major Marvel movie standouts. 

Magneto and Hydra

Magneto, born Max Eisenhardt to a Jewish family, was taken by Nazi soldiers to Auschwitz alongside his family. Surviving due to his mutant ability to control metal, he later assumes the identity of Eric Lensherr and befriends Professor Charles Xavier. 

In one of the most poignant Jewish scenes in Marvel movies thus far, X-Men: First Class depicts Magneto drawing strength as he remembers lighting candles with his mother before the Nazis uprooted his life and sent his family to Auschwitz. In X-Men: Apocalypse, Magneto returns to the concentration camp and uses his powers to destroy it. 

As arguably the most famous Marvel character visibly rooted in his Jewish identity, Magneto exemplifies meaningful representation. However, he is also one of the most infamous villains in comic book history. Jews have a long history of being demonized and scapegoated, and Marvel’s choice to perpetuate this narrative rather than challenge it is troubling.

Magneto’s mutant legacy lives on in his two children;  Wanda and Pietro Maximoff. Wanda possesses intense telepathy and telekinesis, while Pietro can move at superspeed. In the Marvel comics, their Jewish heritage is integral to their identities. With a Romani mother and Jewish father, both Holocaust survivors, the twins are armed with a powerful legacy of resilience. Having fought both with and against the Avengers, the Maximoff twins are among the most compelling characters in the Marvel universe. 

However, in X-Men: Days of Future Past, devout fans debate Wanda’s blood relation to Magneto. The fact remains that the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) has presented Wanda and Pietro without a religion, hailing from the fictional country of Sokovia, and devoid of any connection to their Jewish identity.

In the MCU, Wanda and Pietro’s powers result from experiments by the evil Hydra scientist, Baron von Strucker. Originally, Hydra served as the advanced technology and weaponry arm of the Nazi regime during World War II. Hydra soldiers share the fascist red and black, the straight-armed salute (performed with both arms), and an eerily familiar “heil Hydra” chant with their mainstream Nazi counterparts. 

Beginning with Captain America: The First Avenger, Marvel has largely downplayed Hydra’s Nazi roots, transforming it into a generic, timeless evil organization. By downplaying or outright ignoring Hydra’s origins as a Nazi faction, Marvel seeks to avoid the disturbing historical implications and instead focuses on Hydra as a broader symbol of tyranny and corruption.

This revisionist approach not only dilutes the gravity of Hydra’s origins but also conveniently sidesteps the uncomfortable reality of depicting true historical atrocities, thereby diminishing the impact of the narrative and the lessons it could impart about the dangers of fascist ideologies. 

The ongoing conflict between Captain America and S.H.I.E.L.D. with Hydra, persisting throughout the MCU, is presented as a battle between American strength, embodied by Captain Steve Rogers, and a vague evil represented by Hydra and its endless heads, minimizing the profound impact of Nazi ideology on World War II.

Considering Marvel’s popularity among young audiences, this depiction misleads impressionable viewers into believing that WWII was merely a struggle between America and a technologically innovative bad-guy. Hydra persists throughout the MCU, threatening the forces of good in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Captain America: The Winter Soldier. 

Yet, as the technology arm of the Nazi party continues fighting, its despicable origins are conspicuously absent. If a young fan beginning their Marvel journey learned lessons about the war from these movies, they would identify a fictional Hydra, not the very real Nazis, as the primary antagonist, thereby doing a disservice to the depravity of the Third Reich.

Kitty Pryde

Kitty Pryde, another mutant in the X-Men universe with repeated movie appearances, is another revealing example of Marvel entirely revising a Jewish character’s identity to be more palatable for the big screen.

Kitty has remarkable phasing abilities, meaning she can pass through solid matter. Various websites, including fan sites and her official Marvel biography, emphasize her commitment to Judaism (see here, here, and here).  

In the comics, she has been seen wearing a Star of David, reciting blessings, and drawing parallels between her experiences of being marginalized as a Jew and as a mutant. These sometimes invisible identities deeply influence her worldview.

However, Kitty appears in four X-Men feature films, and her rich cultural and religious background is consistently absent, leaving a void where her Jewish identity should be. This omission not only strips away a layer of her character’s depth but also underscores Marvel’s pattern of erasing Jewish identities to fit a more generalized narrative, thereby failing to represent the nuanced experiences of Jewish characters on the big screen.

I’m Jewish. I don’t have a quote unquote Jewish-sounding name. I don’t look or sound Jewish, whatever that looks or sounds like… So if you didn’t know I was Jewish, you might not know… unless I told you. Same goes for my mutation. I don’t have to wear a visor or have blue fur all over me. I can walk around. Just a young woman of the world. But… I’m not. —Kitty Pryde, All-New X-Men Vol 1 13

Moon Knight

Unfortunately, Marvel’s belittling of Jewish identity endures on the little screen as well. One of the most highly anticipated TV series on Disney+ was Moon Knight, centered around, well, Moon Knight. In the show, Steven Grant is a goofy museum gift shop employee who struggles with dissociative personality disorder. His other identity is Marc Spector, a retired mercenary who becomes the Earthly representative of Khonsu, the Egyptian god of the moon.

Marc’s family embodies the American dream. Having fled Nazi persecution in Europe in the 1930s, Spector’s rabbi father sought a better environment to raise his Jewish family—a story many are familiar with today. 

The show switches between Steven and Marc’s perspectives, but hones in on Spector in episode 5, “Asylum.” Spector is immersed in the memory of a shiva from his childhood as a means of confronting his abusive mother. In the scene, mourners can be seen wearing Jewish prayer shawls, and Spector himself is even wearing a kippah.

Given that Oscar Isaac, the non-Jewish actor playing Moon Knight, confirmed Spector’s Jewish identity would be evident in the show, there is no mention of his father’s work, his family’s history fleeing antisemitic persecution, or any significant exploration of his Jewish identity beyond surface-level nods. 

This neglect strips away a layer of depth from Marc Spector’s character, reducing his heritage to mere background decoration rather than an integral part of his identity and motivation. Furthermore, it deprives Jewish fans of the same representation Marvel eagerly awards to other minority groups.

Despite its Jewish origins, Marvel continues to sanitize and diminish the Jewish identities of its characters, both on the big screen and in streaming series. 

From reimagining Sabra as a Russian spy to neglecting Marc Spector’s rich Jewish heritage in Moon Knight, Marvel consistently misses opportunities to genuinely represent Jewish experiences and identities. 

This pattern not only strips characters of their depth and authenticity but perpetuates a troubling erasure of Jewish culture and history as characters ascend from comics to movies. Marvel has demonstrated their commitment to representation as they bring their characters to life on the big screen, so why do they have a Jewish problem?

[gay-jewish-bucky]

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it's the racism and antisemitism #inb4 'ummmmm it's not racism bc ashkenazim r white!!!!!!!' #bc that's the racism part #ashkenazim are a racially diverse group #and individual ashkenazim can absolutely be racialized differently depending on where they live or if they travel to a different country #you could be white in america and not white in poland #there are ashkenazim who do not pass as white in america — and no i'm not just talking about black ashkenazim #you cannot insist that 'jews are not a race!!!!!!' and then apply racial descriptors to us #also perhaps u would like to talk abt how fucked up it is that american jews were racialized and discriminated against to the point they had #to actively work for decades to convince the general public we were Just Like You (white; just a religion; etc) #not because we wanted the privilege like so many gentile progressives and leftists claim #but bc WE WANTED YALL TO STOP OPPRESSING US #bc it's not like jews hadn't had to appeal to authorities and populations before to try to avoid discrimination #jewish communities when they were expelled and settled somewhere new would frequently have to literally negotiate with the leadership of #wherever they settled for basic — and oftentimes less than basic — rights. often they even had to PAY for those less than basic rights #so let's think abt the optics of a minority group negotiating for basic rights… and then having those negotiations weaponize against them #bc a lot of ppl don't realize that the assimilation of american jews was a subtle form of violence #if the only way you're seen as fully human is to assimilate THAT IS OPPRESSION #that is erasure of a culture and that is violence #the insistence that american jews are 'just white ppl with a different religion' is an active attempt at assimilation #and again — assimilation is a form of oppression #incoherent rant over for now

[phoukanamedpookie]

hi, sorry preemptively because ignorance does guide this question. i guess i’m just curious about what the difference between antisemitism and islamophobia is? and this is not an argument about the moment, but more of a question about how.. maybe there’s just little alignment/joint conversation about what i thought both amounts to a cultural misconception about religious affiliation? i’m black so i guess what i have is an ambivalence or blind spot about what i thought for a longtime was a yt ppl wanting a hierarchy over types of yt ppl argument, but i think that’s likely wrong and dismissive(and contributing to the erasure of poc jews). i mean i suppose it could be scale? i saw your post about the # of ppl who identify as jewish compared to christianity & islam, but it lands me in a similar place of like my limited knowledge of the persecution of romani and pagan peoples? of small communities of yt people persecuted under the umbrella of religion/pinholing it into a kind of moral or cultural brand of prejudice.

and you can tell me to fuck off and i’ll look around for the folx who could get around to it eventually; because i think i just want to be more informed. anyways, thanks for your time & consideration. i wish you healing and love and good food during this shitty time

You're fine. Admitting what you don't know is rare and refreshing on social media.

It's pretty complicated because Jewish peoplehood predates modern notions of religion and race, yet antisemitism takes the form of both religious and racial bigotry and justifies itself as standing up to illegitimate power. "The Jews are behind it!" is literally the oldest conspiracy theory in the world.

If you want to know more, you should read what @didyoumeanxianity has shared so far.

Islamophobia isn't something that I feel comfortable speaking with authority on, but my understanding of it is that it functions in a similar way to racism because of how Muslims are racialized in Western societies.