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one of my favorite jokes to tell at work is that i know 4 languages, and i suck at all of them
#english french spanish asl#the thing is! i know more than the average person that knows nothing!#like i can only say im fluent in English#spanish is probably what im next best at and I can understand it pretty well but i cant speak more than really basic work related thinfs#and??? somehow??? all the nonspanish speakers at work are like#*adrien can you translate*#*pls???*#no i cannot!! I don't know how to say look in the cupboard!!!#.....i should practice tho#i do wanna get better at it#actually i could probably get *across* look in the cupboard now#but itd take a lot of gestures babsjsbans#another funny problem is that bc i started learning French FIRST if i dont know a filler word my brain likes to shove that in there#i use french articles instead of spanish articles all the time too#les personnes en habitacion ciento vente ocho se fue para de limpiar#conspiracy lvl: text#this is not a flex this is a call out post for me
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headcanon that percy is smart in a sense that he picks up language really easily, like he just learns them through exposure and stupidly fast, but since he’s dyslexic and has a hard time writing/reading and that’s all schools care about, he never learned the value of his skill
#he already canonically knows english greek and latin#but here he would probably also know french because of the aphrodite kids#i’d bet he also learned italian when he learned that nico was italian#and also spanish because second language classes#and some more random languages he picked up from his neighbours#asl too because he felt bad he couldn’t communicate with someone because he couldn’t accommodate their disability#he’s nice like that#and at some point he just start speaking a random language and everyone is flabbergasted#percy jackson hc#percy jackson is smart#polyglot percy jackson#pjo headcanon#pjo hcs#pjo percy
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Picture it: me, 430 in the morning
I tell my cat that it’s 4 in the morning in French, as one does, and go to tell him I need to sleep.
Except I can’t remember the word for ‘need’ and all that’s coming up is ‘necesito’ which I KNOW is a Spanish conjugation for the word I actually want in French despite not studying Spanish in eleven years. Spoiler alert I guess, the word I wanted was ‘besoin’.
I decide ‘fuck it’ and go to say that I want to sleep instead, ‘cause at this point it’s accurate and ‘voudrais’ has been hammered in for all the time I practiced it saying I wanted tea, except I try and add the word for ‘today’ somewhere in there and get stuck because what’s the word for ‘today’ in French again??
Heddiw? No, that’s Welsh I think.
Hodiau? No, that’s Esperanto.
So I turn to my cat again and ask “como si dice ‘today’ en francés?”
Motherfucker meowed.
Y’all, I thought I lost my goddamned mind for half a second.
#multilingual#op#Spanish#French#Welsh#esperanto#English#lol#good news was that I had the ASL word fine so there’s that#i guess the goal is to learn Just Enough to glitch out#but not fluent enough in most of it to do anything#me irl#I asked my cat how to say an English word as a French word in Spanish and he responded#stick a fork in me— I’m Done
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Could you please talk more about how/why agreement systems develop in language? I always feel that agreement systems are poorly justified in my conlanging
Agreement systems are retained in language because the redundancy strengthens the signal. It's better to think about linguistics systems in terms of "why didn't speakers get rid of this" as opposed to "why did this come about in the first place". Sometimes things happen randomly. They're retained because they're useful.
But like, consider gender in English. We used to have it. Gender was mostly defined by the endings of words. We lost all the endings. We lost some major forms of agreement (consider that French still has different articles). At a certain point, it was impossible to tell if a noun was m/f/n, so of course English lost its gender system. It was no longer useful. In fact, going even further, it was the opposite of useful, because it was totally unpredictable and didn't buy you anything.
As an example of the latter, there's this sign system called Signed Exact English (SEE). It's often (not always, but often) pedaled as a replacement for ASL, because it will "help" Deaf signers learn English. One of the features it retains is the distinction between "a" and "an". English speakers know how to do this instinctively: You use "a" before a noun phrase (not a noun, but a noun phrase) that begins with a consonant sound, and you use "an" before a noun phrase that begins with a vowel sound (so "umbrella" gets "an", but "union" gets "a"). In SEE, there's a separate sign for "a" and "an", and then ASL signs are used for English words like "man" and "old". So then you have to sign:
A MAN
AN OLD MAN
But, of course, the difference is based on the sound of the English pronunciation of the word the sign stands for, so it is quite literally impossible to predict for a Deaf signer. It has to be memorized. Which is an extraordinary task. Basically, all nouns, adjectives, and adverbs (consider "a really old man") have to be dumped in either the A class or the AN class with absolutely no way to predict which will be in which.
This is a great example of a feature that would quickly die in a natural language.
So looking at gender, the question is how useful is it? If it's (a) predictable, and (b) spread across multiple areas of the language, then it's more useful, and more likely to be retained. If you look at Spanish, agreement is present in pronouns, adjectives, demonstratives, and articles. The gender of a noun highly predictable (not 100%, but highly predictable). That's a stable gender system. French is similar, but the gender is less predictable for nouns. If one was going to lose gender first, you'd predict French. Even so, it's still predictable enough that more will probably have to happen for French to actually lose it.
As for where it comes from, if you want to read a detailed account of the development of Indo-European gender, this is an intro. Most of the time it's the incorporation of pronouns or small, generic nouns that become commonly associated with particular classes and are used as modifiers. We've got a pretty good example of the development of noun class in Sarkezhe, season 4 of LangTime Studio. If you want to see it done from beginning to end, check that out.
Hope that helps!
#conlang#language#gender#development of gender#grammatical gender#noun class#linguistics#pie#indo-european#asl#see#signed exact english#spanish#french#sarkezhe#lts#langtime#langtime studio#sign language
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#actual polls#random poll#tumblr polls#my polls#polls#poll time#high school#random#thoughts#back to school#school#language#english#linguistics#spanish#french#bilingual#japanese#italian#asl
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Wait you saw the Brazilian Portuguese dub and the English dub? I didn’t know that you spoke Portuguese
Hi Hon!❤️✨
I am not fluent, but am learning! (Thank you Duolingo for giving me the basics). I speak more than one language! English and French are just ones that I speak the most here!
But in general, I loved both version. They were a great story!
#As soon as I saw that the film was a Brazilian dub I toon to Duolingo to get the basics.#I speak English French German Spanish and ASL.#mystery anon#off topic#Project: Shadow fan film
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The power of having a Hispanic family that have impossibly high standards is being able to manage multiple personalities/identities like a pro. Going to my Grandma's house? Boom, I'm suddenly a Catholic girl that loves dresses and sewing. Dad's house? I'm a carefree and forgetful girl. Mom's house? I'm a straight-A student, with perfect attendance that knows 5 languages and can draw. Honestly sometimes I forget how I really am until I go on social media or go with my friends.
#I do know around 5 languages tho#spanish english ASL french and Italian#those are from most knowledge to least#hispanics#hispanic family#puerto rican#high expectations#I can feel the crushing weight of their expectations for me
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the knowing how to say thank u in multiple languages number for me is actually more like 10 after thinking about it for more than a minute and a half...
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i have Miles learning/knowing a few more languages because he’s my favorite and because i think he’d like to know them to talk with his friends so Ganke and Judge both teach him their respective languages, but he doesn’t have a lot of time with spider-man and daily life so it’s a very slow process
#miles morales#spiderman#spider man#ganke lee#judge#that’s a few languages god damn hold on#spanish + english + ASL and BSL + Korean + Haitian Creole + Hebrew + Noir’s cajun french (au i have)
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Existing is cool. We all exist in some capacity.
I hope you do well in the seal of biliteracy test! I personally have another few years before I need to take it, and that will be in French most likely.
Hopefully if I do write a fanfic you will just end up finding it in the wild. Not likely but it could happen
Anyway, I hope that you start to feel more human later.
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Existing is pretty cool! And thank you. I have no clue what my scoring is gonna be on that one, because I know my speaking section was...subpar at best, but maybe the other 3 sections were good enough to offset that? Who knows!
At least you know that it's a possibility! I didn't even know the seal or the test was a thing until like a month ago when I got an email like "hey quil sign up to take this test you took enough foreign language credits for it" like...you mean the courses I took...over a year ago??
just because I have an associated in spanish doesn't mean I know what I'm doing
And even if its unlikely for me to find your fic in the wild, I can still hope! I mean, i'll never know whether or not it was yours, but still! But yeah unlikely. I don't read a lot of fanfic, actually. Like 95% of the time I read a fic it's to support a mutual who wrote it, not because I particularly felt like reading fics. Ironic considering I'm a fic writer, but true.
Thank you for the well wishes though! I'm not particularly concerned with feeling human, but I understand and appreciate the sentiment, and I wish the same for you!
#quil's queries#⚙️ nonsie#i took 2 french classes once upon a time#because for my spanish degree I was required to take a second foreign language too#but my asl didn't count#so there was one semester I was taking spanish and french and asl (3 foreign languages) all at the same time#I. would not recommend doing that#i now know practically zero french and my spanish and french got mixed up for months after that#the asl was fine though. i think a sign language and a spoken language can be learned together a lot easier#so that part wasn't bad#it was the spanish and french at the same time that fucked me up#but I'd like to learn french one day#that way I know the two. what are they called. not universal#but basically certain things in foreign languages are required to have a translation to either french or english#so I'd like to know both#oh this is gonna bug me hang on gonna ask my dad#oh apparently I was right! french and english are considered the universal languages#and on the ship (he was in the coast guard) it needed to be in either english or french and the local language#so. there's that
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It's always the people who write and speak beautifully who apologize after saying the most beautiful words to ever word, "Apologies, English isn't my first language."
Like they'll speak and write better than native speakers. Especially here in the states.
Like don't apologize, your literally better than everyone else in the room. They don't know half the words you just said, and it's the only language they've ever known. You're bilingual, yeah? No? Tri- This is your Fifth language, that you speak fluently?
#Like I don't understand why Americans aren't taught the Three most used languages. I believe its English Mandarin and Spanish? Maybe French#or Arabic? Anyways. Like we should learn atleast the stuff needed for conversation Like its easier to learn as kid obviously and now I only#know English and ASL and for a challenge I'm learning Hawaiian. With my speech impediments from muscle control issues can I pronounce stuff#No.#multilingual
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10+
Please reblog, I'm curious
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Have I told you guys I'm multilingual !???? I can't remember ???
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If anyone's wondering how my Spanish learning is going (you're not, but I wanna talk about it and it's my blog so....) it's going very well! I held an entire conversation with a 5 year old at my job today for like 20 minutes which is basically A2 fluency and I'm very proud of myself 🙂↕️
#teddy talks#personal#language journey#spanish is number 4.5#(asl + english + french + .5 italian#i can talk about food for hours in italian but literally nothing else. no other topics except pasta etc)
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me: THREE YEARS
friend: *trying not to burst into laughter*
me: i spent THREE YEARS trying to learn spanish, and what do i get for it? HOLA, COMO ESTAS BITCH.
friend: well maybe if you-
me: and then GUESS WHAT?? i spend THREE MONTHS ON FRENCH, AND I PICK IT UP REAL FUCKING QUICK
me: WHAT THE FUCK
friend: i mean-
me: I STILL CAN'T PRONOUNCE, LIKE, HALF OF THE SPANISH WORDS
me: BUT FRENCH?? SOMEHOW MAKES MORE SENSE???? FRENCH
friend: i dunno what to tell you, dude
me: F R E N C H
#languages#i was just looking through my videos in my camera roll and found this. didn't wanna post the actual video for safety reasons#my first language is english btw#oh and guess what?? growing up i happened to be friends with a bunch of spanish speakers#still can BARELY GET THROUGH A CONVERSATION#i do know a lot of the swear words though. which is nice#i can also swear in french and asl. still working on my sign i really wanna be fluent in that#also also this happened a while ago. haven't really practiced french since so it's pretty rusty. english is still my strongest language
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me when i’ve collectively attempted to learn 48 languages (and counting) and so i get this constantly except i know literally nothing else but a word or two in those languages cuz the brain isn’t meant to hold all that information so for me it’s more like
Every single person studying a language when they recognize the most basic word of the language in a text or a video
#the daily struggles of an incompetent polyglot#years of trying and 48 languages later#including asl morse code written cyphers and fictional languages#and i’m still only fluent in one.#one language. english.#i’m semi conversationally fluent in uh like#french spanish portuguese (ish) norwegian swedish icelandic (another stretch) german and uh kinda greek? ish??#but still no fluency in anything else#and i’ve tried believe me#10+ years of spanish education#except american education system#so
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