#endogamy maybe

[niobefurens]

Wēn Family Tree 👀

Diagram below the cut.

“Wēn Qíng was renowned both within and without the Wēn Clan of Qíshān. She wasn’t a daughter of the head of the Wēn family, Wēn Ruòhán, but rather the descendant of one of his elder cousins on the maternal side (表兄 = BiǎoXiōng). Although they were distant relatives, Wēn Ruòhán had had a good relationship with his cousin since they were children.” MDZS/GMDC 7Seas ; Vol. 3; p. 148.

表兄 Biǎoxiōng = cousin, usually means: mother's sibling's son, or father's sister's son, older than oneself. In MDZS it appears to be used for a greater degree of separation (as it is specified they are distant relatives  – third cousins, for example).

Me: If I assume the normal rules regulating marriage in ancient China to apply in MDZS, as they seem to (if we look at the other shì), I must take into account the following:

“Confucius described marriage as "the union of two surnames, in friendship and in love";

[in China] “traditionally incest has been defined as marriage between people with the same surname." One of the earliest marriage prohibitions, and one surviving to this day, was that forbidding persons of the same surname to marry. An imperial decree of 484 A.D. states that this rule was promulgated far back in the Zhou dynasty; 1122 to 255 B.C."

From the Confucian perspective, marriage brings together families of different surnames and continues the family line of the paternal clan.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_Chinese_marriage

According to R. H. Van Gulik, as early as the feudal period (1500-222 BCE), “marriages among the members of the ruling class were strictly exogamic. The marrying with a woman of the same surname, be it principal wife, secondary wife, or concubine, was completely taboo.” Sexual Life in Ancient China: a Preliminary Survey of Chinese Sex and Society from ca. 1500 B.C. till 1644 A.D.; Leiden, Brill, (1974); p. 19.

Thus, Wēn Ruòhán’s cousin cannot be the son of a brother of Wēn Ruòhán’s mother (or, his surname; and his children’s surname could not have been Wēn). For the same reason, he cannot be the son of Wen Ruòhán’s father’s sister, as she would marry out of the Wēn-shì.

Wēn Qíng’s father must be the son of one of Wēn Ruòhán’s mother’s older relations (or even ancestors: aunt, great-aunt, etc.); who, obviously, also married a Wēn (or again, the surname would not be Wēn).

ME: Huh what?

🙄

More reaserch unearths:

“In ancient China, some evidence indicates cases where two clans had a longstanding arrangement wherein they would only marry members of the other clan. Some men also practiced sororate marriage, that is, a marriage to a former wife's sister, or a polygynous marriage to both sisters. This would have the effect of eliminating parallel-cousin marriage as an option because they would have the same surname, but would leave cross-cousin marriage acceptable.

In the ancient system of the Erya dating from around the third century BC, the words for the two types of cross cousins (甥 shēng), were identical with father's brother's children (甥 shēng); with mother's sister's children both being distinct (從母晜弟 cóngmǔ kūndì for boys and 從母姊妹 cóngmǔ zǐmèi for girls).

However, whereas it may not have been permissible at that time, marriage with the mother's sister's children also became possible by the third century AD. Eventually, the mother's sister's children and cross cousins shared one set of terms, with only the father's brother's children retaining a separate set. This usage remains today, with biǎo (表) cousins considered "outside" and paternal táng (堂) cousins being of the same house.”

See China, in this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage

Anthropologist Francis Hsu described a mother's brother's daughter (MBD) as being “the most preferred type of Chinese cousin marriage.” Hsu, Francis L. K. (January–March 1945). "Observations on Cross-Cousin Marriage in China"; American Anthropologist 47 (1): pp. 83–103.

Me: Fine, let’s draw this up…

🥱 and, I did … 🥱 but ...

Look what happens when I get to Wēn Yuàn … 🥱

😳

I give MXTX enough credit that, if this is so, she put it there for a reason. In canon, incest is a very real social problem (JGY/QS).

Friend (who reads Chinese, and  who has kindly supplied the original terms): The Wen-shì do not adhere to the the exogamic rule. They are so big they can intermarry among Wēn without consanguinity issues.

Me: So the whole thing could ... just be RED ... !!!

Friend: Yes...

Huh? What?

So: not technically incest; but certainly galling to everyone else who adheres to the rules (think of the Làn...)

Is this one of the reasons everyone hates the Wēn??!!

Do they think they are so cool, and so hot, everyone else is beneath them?

In ancient republican Rome interrmarriage of this type would be considered a "regal insurgence" (attempt to make oneself king - illegal known as crimen regni).

Which is what Wēn Ruòhán seems to want do?

Make himself king? And the Wēn-shì the ruling family = dynasty ?

🙃

Suppposing someone got this far, any insights, comments, and takes are very welcome. ❤️

[spicylove4ever]

How did he know about that imperial law indeed....

But that's just me. He could have learnt by law lessons when he was young since the Grand Duke and all that.

[katheriensapple]

Some Thoughts on HP's Blood Purity

I always thought that the Blood Purity Bigotry© had to be more complex than the "Mudblood hahaha" shown in canon. In real life, for example, we see racists and xenophobes who hate people just for existing, and we think that's all. But we usually forget that these despicable people tend to write whole books trying to justify their malicious and just plain stupid "arguments".

So, where are the supremacist writers in the HP universe?

While I was writing the second chapter of my fic 'Eisoptrophobia' I made this exact question.

The only example of a presumed blood supremacist writer is Cantankerus Nott, who wrote the 'Pureblood Dictionary' and basically invented the 'The Sacred Twenty-Eight' list (which unironically includes the Weasly family), and an example of a race thesis is the idea that muggleborns 'stole' magic from pureblood wizards.

And, as everyone knows, this kind of racism revolves around the concept of 'magical blood'.

Cantankerous Nott excluded families like the Crabbs, the Goyles and the Potters from his list because he believed that they got some 'muggle blood'. And, therefore, no completely 'pure'. But that concept: 'purity' is extremely tricky. What makes a family 'pure'? no muggle ancestors for 5 generations? no muggle ancestors for 12 generations? No muggle ancestors at all? Seems that Cantankerous's definition is the last.

However, clearly this narrow definition wasn't widespread even in his time, since said families (Potters, Browns, Crabbes) were considered pureblood, (maybe no completly 'pure', but 'pure' enough). And we know from complementary canon that, for example, the Malfoys occasionally married half-bloods in order to avoid endogamy, which make things worse.

In fact, these little bits of information only let one thing clear: the concept of blood purity was more a political tool than a clear, unified racial thesis.

Pureblood families presumed their own purity, but keep the definition deliberately vague. An 'I know it when I see it' sort of thing. They probably also have double standards for judging the 'purity' of others, and argue over definitions frequently.

Which leads me to conclude that blood purity regards magical blood as something you can have at different levels 'more pure, lest pure' and not something you have or not. This is important, given that real-life racism tends to operate in absolutes, (you're white or you're black and your essence is fundamentally white or black, mixed race people being regarded as some in between being but most likely with a black 'essence').

This explain why blood purity is considerably more tolerant of halfbloods than real-life racism. The Death Eaters have half-blood members (Severus Snape), Voldemort himself is a halfblood and, in general, no halfblood is openly insulted for their mixed heritage. This draw an image of a complicated and unique kind of racisim, one that affect mainly muggleborns and is not especially directed to the halfbloods (which doesn't exclude them from suffering its consequences).

Half-bloods are probably a necessary evil and better than muggleborns from a purist viewpoint, because they got at least a 50% of magical blood (i'm talking of the pureblood-muggleborn children exclusively) and are, in some sense, useful for pureblood families. They keep the line stable and healthy with only a minimal 'sacrifice'

Therefore, half-bloods would be seen as 'non-ideal' but used by pure blood families anyway.

I would also like to suggest, as I did in the notes for said chapter, that not all half-bloods would be regarded equally and that half-bloods like Harry Potter would probably be treated better than half-bloods like Severus Snape, because the former is more likely to have a complete separation of the muggle world, while the second still has a muggle parent.

[randomnameless]

I don't know about the Engage wank but fan of pairing between Alear and the twins should just ignore the "it's incest complain" since the Fe fandom doesn't deserves to be trusted in that context seeing how much they twisted this word... ok actually this apply to all fandom

As someone who was hard wired "words have a meaning" in uni and professional life, you have no idea how fandom using "words they completely twisted and don't understand" irks me !

Maybe it's just about throwing big bad words to make anyone who disagree - or the persons you are dissing on - BaD, but I think the first post I made about this early in FE16's fandom's life was about some people (I don't even know if it's the same person we all know?) arguing about a "caste system" regarding the "Crust system" and it's just - no, you don't understand what you're saying, just shut up. Caste systems are defined by extreme endogamy - if Fodlan truly had a caste system, Ingrid's dad wouldn't even consider marrying her to a crestless dude, she would have been married to the available Faerghus bachelors with a crest, hell even Annette's cousin, or worse, Matthias himself (he is a widow?) before considering a crestless match.

Then we had the collective hysteria over "feudalism", "Pope in the Middle Ages", "Catholicism" and "Fodlan is totes 12th century trust me I have a degree".

And while I don't want to be the ass who says research your writing topic before writing it, imo, when you're writing meta or pieces that want to be meta, I'd suggest to at least, just, check wikipedia before writing something that doesn't make any sense.

Hell, I didn't know about that thing about snails being crushed to make purple dye before checking Wikipedia before writing a shitpost about Adrestia - but here I am.

But alas, it's commong on social medias nowadays, you use "big words" to make people who don't agree with you the BaD gUyS (bcs they're always guys!) and thus can avoid discussions or criticism.

[opossumprince]

I'm incredibly confused about your DNI list lumping t4t in with proship, MAPs and zoos. I'm not familiar with c4t, but a quick google search turns up wayyy too many confusing definitions, so I'll disregard that. The common definition (that i'm aware of) for t4t is Trans for Trans. as in a trans couple. is there another context that you've come by for this phrase?

Alright so first of all I get what you mean, my intention wasn't to lump in things that can stem from confusion with deeply viIe shit, maybe I should separate or move the latter category up (but also my dni Iist includes "those who think reaI art absolutely requires a lone genius physically painting or scuIpting figurative shit" so I obviously don't think all items on the Iist are comparable to "cartography enthusiasts" and such)

My problem with "t4t" and its spread in onIine communities is :

The belief that dating other trans people exclusively will keep you from or significantly reduce the risk of harm, transphobia, and other bigotry - which is obviously wrong since trans people aren't a monolith and incredibly different from one another to the point where we can't even call "t4t" endogamy (dating within one's specific social group), and internalised transphobia or transphobia towards other kinds of trans people is still very much a thing.

The idea that it also makes you a Better Activist since it will show how much you "resist assimiIation", etc. This is counterproductive, performative (not in the Butlerian sense), and actually rooted in r^dfem ideaIs such as "poIiticaI Iesbianism" and "Iesbian separatism", only applied to trans people instead of Iesbians. Weird, right ? Not like there's been a surge of regurgitated r^dfem ideas in trans onIine communities lately or anything.

The claim that "t4t" is a sexuaI orientation. "T4t fIags", "t4t" in bio, and such. Preference or choice isn't sexuaI orientation, duh - unless you think being trans is a gender in itself, which is quite frankly terrible. "C4t" and "t4c" are derivatives of "t4t" that mean exactly what you think, except now instead of calling them chasers we cheer them on for "Ioving trans peopIe". Why ?

The fact that there's a semantic drift where a trans person dating another automatically gets called "t4t", that even trans characters dating get called "t4t", and so on. This is visible in your ask : "trans for trans, as in a trans coupIe". Not all members of trans couples excIusively date other trans people. This is as absurd as calling each Iesbian pairing "Iesbian separatists".

[cor-ardens-archive]

your recent austen posting reminded me of this essay by terry castle on austen's somewhat unorthodox(?) relationship to her sister. maybe you've already read it but if not; it's not exactly something that directly maps on to what you're talking abt wrt exogamy + endogamy or the inevitable creeping up of social constraints in otherwise cheerful endings but i thought you'd be interested since it explores an unusually close sibling dynamic and its influence on austen's life and writing. the essay is called sister sister btw and can be found online on the london review of books website iirc!

i've never read it or heard of it, thank you!!!

[star-stell]

My asoiaf OCs:

Lucía Bolton on her mother's side, Dothraki on her father's. She's cunning, cruel and driven. Lucía is kind and truly loves her people, but has sociopathic tendencies that make it hard for others to understand her love. She is a good warrior and politician but sometimes goes too fast and loses focus. Always heavily armed.

Alex Tyrrel, perhaps with some Lannister ancestry sprinkled on to his' family tree. He does not seek power, but its closeness; the type of person most given to pulling strings from afar. A smartass and an asshole, but also caring in his own way. Has the most impresive people skills for an introvert.

Matt Martell. He's charismatic, strategic and intelligent, but he also has a heart of gold and a soft interior. He values family above all else and has a "friends are family" mentality. He is a social butterfly, which makes him appear sweet and ditzzy. He can go unnoticed by others and that is what makes him dangerous. A good liar.

Eliza Bolton. Eliza is the kind of person that makes you double check, profesional gaslighter and the future weird aunt. She's an endogamy baby, btw. She's an evil little wet cat of a woman. Now, in all seriusness, Eliza is smart, she just doesn't care that much about politics, which makes her an easey pawn to use, or at least that's what it seems like, this lady has her own agenda.

Sandy Tully. Familiar and caring but with a cutting edge, this girl won't start a fight but she will finish one. Sandy may not have the intimidating presence of Lucia or the friendliness of Matt but she does have the hability to listen and wait for the perfect moment, never going too fast. Even if she almost never uses it she does have a vengative side. She's a lesbian bcs we need more fucked up queers.

Silena Storms (Baratheon bastard). She's impulsive and fast, but not necesarily given to politics, more of a fighter than anything else. She would trade the world for living with her girlfriend in some cottage. She's a sword? Yes. She's just chilling? Also yes.

Maeele Lannister. Mama's perfect little sociopath, he's absolutly bonkers, full on crazy. He's a complete asshole, and not even a competent one at that. Tywin's heir, to everyone's demise. Still, surprisingly cunning and smart for all of his ego. He's my little especial boy, but he's going down.

Jessant Yronwood. Legitimized bastard, deaf and with a nick for forge. Is he my escuse to write a relentless trans character? Maybe. He's also fucking insane and I love him for It. Matt and Jess have something going on (because, again, we deserve more fucked up queers)

Sammuel Snow (Bolton bastard) son to Lucía's and Eliza's mother. Her oldest, but not legitimized, still he hangs around at Dreadfort as a musician. Honestly, he's the least traumatized of the three. He is illegally married to the aprentize of Dreadfort's medic and no one knows.

[davomw]

Group 16

1. Our first 2 questions came to mind the quickest. We were also aware that the first 2 questions were very polarizing and that most people are not on the fence about them and have a definitive answer.

2. People almost find polygamy laughable. The idea seemed so far fetched to the people that answered. Which isn’t surprising because in the western world it’s not popular at all to the point that the government wouldn’t even recognize it

3. Not at all. The answers seemed pretty standard to me. Most people aren’t fans of polygamy. Exogamy vs endogamy is case by case for the most part. Many people are open to it and other strictly refuse and you can’t really tell before asking a person. And our generation views marriage very differently then our parents and those before them so people thinking it’s transactional doesn’t surprise me.

4. Maybe ask people their ideas on the topic generally and not personally. More like “How do you feel about polygamy?” as apposed to “Would you participate?”. It’s a different mindset because now they look at the question from the view of everyone and not just themselves.

@deliahat10

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[maklodes]

The genetic evidence suggests that jati-based endogamy had been around for an order of magnitude longer than the duration of Company Rule and the Raj combined. Maybe on rare occasions, people in India might have done the thing that Shashi Tharoor says, but it was rare enough that it is basically undetectable in the DNA evidence.

Maybe even if there was negligible mobility between castes, some castes themselves might have been able to get to a higher varna, collectively? I don't fully understand it, but I think this is called "sanskritization." I don't know how much impact the British had on that process, though. I think it was a pretty rare and slow process, regardless.

[“The census joined the map and the museum as tools of British imperial dominance in the nineteenth century. The British fondness for taxonomy and social classification continued to be in evidence throughout their rule, and was formalized by means of the census they undertook first in 1872 and then every ten years from 1881, converting it into an ‘ethnographic census’ in 1901.

The census reconfirmed the process of defining castes, allocating them certain attributes and inventing extraordinary labels for entire communities, such as ‘martial races’ and ‘criminal tribes’. Just as ‘Brahmin’ became a sought-after designation enshrining social standing, the census definition of an individual’s caste tended to seal the fate of any ‘Shudra’, by fixing his identity across the entire country. Whereas prior to British rule the Shudra had only to leave his village and try his fortunes in a different princely state in India where his caste would not have followed him, colonialism made him a Shudra for life, wherever he was.

The British belief in the fighting qualities of the ‘martial races’ also restricted the career possibilities of those not so classified, since British army recruitment policies were usually based on caste classifications. In the old days, any individual with the height and musculature required could make a livelihood as a warrior, whatever his caste background. In British India, this was far more difficult, if not impossible, since entire regiments were constructed on the basis of caste identities.

Census-taking in British India differed significantly from the conduct of the census in Britain, since unlike in the home country, the census in India was led by British anthropologists seeking to anatomize Indian society, the better to control and govern it. As I have mentioned earlier, Indians in precolonial times lived in communities with overlapping cultural practices, minimal self-awareness and non-existent consciousness of the details of their differences from other communities, except in the most general terms. This is underscored by the scholar Sudipta Kaviraj, who observes that precolonial communities had imprecise (‘fuzzy’) boundaries because some collective identities are not territorially based, and because ‘part of this fuzziness of social mapping would arise because traditional communities, unlike modern ones, are not enumerated’. The census, of course, changed that, as did the more stable territorial lines drawn by the colonists on their new, and very precise, maps.

In the precolonial era, community boundaries were far more blurred, and as a result these communities were not self-conscious in the way they became under colonial rule. In the absence of the ‘focused and intense allegiances’ of the modern era, precolonial groups were less likely to be antagonistic to each other over perceived community or communal differences. They have become so only as a consequence of their ‘definition’ by the British in mutually exclusive terms.

The British could find no one to tell them authoritatively where or in what number any particular community was; the census commissioners discovered that boundary lines among Hindus, Sikhs and Jains barely existed, and that several Hindu and Muslim groups in different parts of the country shared similar social and cultural practices with regard to marriage, festivals, food, and worship. This went against the colonial assumption that communities must be mutually exclusive and that a person had to belong to one community or another.”]

Shashi Tharoor, What The British Did To India

[olderthannetfic]

People need to be understand that the "ew" part of incest it's more of a (cultural) consequence of a social norm being enforced by reasons that are not just emotional, but economical or political or wathever else. Did a certain community/culture have more to gain from endogamy or esogamy? The "ew" part it's a valid feeling by the way, culture being different does not make them invalid. But it's not universal and it changes vastly trough time and class.

And it most defenitely has nothing to do with genetics. Prohibition of incest existed way before people figured out genes. Often it includes people that have not a single gene in commons (in laws).

Plenty of genetic transmitted diseases can be common in groups that are maybe isolated but where incest norms are respected. And as much as we like to talk about the royal dinasties that got extinct because of genetic diseases, there are plenty that as far as we know never had any problem.

And it's very awful to say, but back in the old time if people got genetic diseases because of inbreeding natural selection might have just taken care of it.

Also, people need to be reminded that all in all western countries are actually rather open as far as allowing incest. Most of them allow cousin marriage. There are places where you have to get back seven generation before you are allowed to get married.

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[goldenflowerceo]

maybe a controversial thing to say, but like. at face value, i don't think ivyfern is that bad. yes, it's unfortunate they're third cousins, but given the clans' practice of endogamy (and the erins' failure to monitor their family trees), it's inevitable. my reason why i don't like it is because it's a major plot point that the three (jayfeather, lionblaze, and dovewing) are related and like... wouldn't you think it's weird to have your character marry the child of their known relative. especially with the fact that it's imperative to the story that they are the character's known relative. like what were the erins thinking

hi. do i have permission to speak freely about the ivyfern ship

[welldonebeca]

Science side of Tumblr!

I can't sleep cause this is hammering in my mind.

This is the Abrahamic family tree, right?

Endogamy 101.

(Don't come after me, I do believe them too. I'm just confused over the genetics.)

So... Isaac is his own half-Cousin. Rebekah is her own 2nd cousin once removed or... First cousin twice removed? It's getting confusing.

Alright. Does anyone know how much the coefficient of relationship is at the end of all this? Maybe between Rebecca and Isaac, then Jacob and Esau or Leah/Rachel.

Oooh, and between maybe two of his kids. Cause at this point they descend from basically the same 3 or 4 people but just through different paths.

I've been thinking of this for months already but I'm horrible with math and I can't even figure the cousin thing.

[overthemoonwithme]

Hi!!! 15, 4, 26 and 30 <3

ooh thank you for asking :)

(I talk about states a lot so just for clarity for the most part states are divided according to language, though a lot of languages have been erased in this process. I come from Kerala and speak Malayalam)

4. favourite dish specific for your country?

Kerala Porota. It’s a type of flatbread native to my state, and particularly the northern “Malabar” region where the city that I grew up in is located, Kozhikode. It’s delicious. Particularly good with beef fry or fish or egg curry. Not to be confused with the north indian ‘paratha’, which is made from wholemeal wheat flour and has stuffing inside. It’s also interestingly popular in Singapore (maybe because there’s a lot of Tamil migration?) so when I was there in the 6th & 7th grade I’d have it every day for lunch in my canteen so it’s very special to me.

15. a saying, joke, or hermetic meme that only people from your country will get?

https://twitter.com/SrishtyRanjan/status/1352594770015744001

does this count 🙃

Um...okay so I was very proud of this english pun when I made it in 2019 but I’m going to leave it as is for any hindi speakers on here:

“She said I shouldn’t mutter but it’s I love world peace!”

26. does your nationality get portrayed in Hollywood/American media? what do you think about the portrayal?

Until recently the portrayal of Indians was obviously very stereotypical, racist and gross, but honestly I’m more scared of the way in which Hindutva (right wing Hindu/Brahmin supremacist conservatism) has entered American media, but is being portrayed as positive representation. Why don’t we see many muslim Indians, Bahujan Indian families in American media? Because NRIs are a powerful group who have been working towards creating a homogenous view of Indians that is upper caste, beef hating, usually north Indian but if not then Brahmin/non-dravidian, BJP/modi supporting and so on. Shit like Never Have I Ever is, to me, so much more dangerous than stereotypical characters like Raj because it does stereotype Indians while appearing progressive, but it does it in a way that is useful to oppressor groups. 

https://wearyourvoicemag.com/never-have-i-ever-seen-a-show-so-casteist-and-racist/

https://feminisminindia.com/2020/05/15/netflixs-never-have-i-ever-savarna-storytelling-irresponsible-ignorant/

This has been happening over the course of many years, and I’d say begins with the mainstreaming/appropriation of Brahmanical Hindu symbols into everyday American life. Something like Karma for instance which is so normalised, actually originates in the caste system. Privileged people are and oppressed groups are in those positions because of deeds in the past life..it’s gross. There’s also a lot of literature on Yoga nationalism. 

Like...woke Indian hindu kids with no idea about history call Blackpink using Ganesh imagery “appropriation”, but they don’t realise how that was actually exported by supremacists in India to make their ideology more palatable to westerners.

30. do you have people of different nationalities in your family?

No i don’t think so? Endogamy has too much of a strong hold..my generation is literally the first where people are marrying outside of the state on my dad’s side and second on my mom’s. There are probably people in the extended family but idk about them.

Sorry idk how much of this is easy to follow if you’re not Indian but I’m procrastinating on an assignment so this was just word vomit 😭😭

[wileds]

so does he have a lower opinion of faunus since a lot of his houses help were faunus

wakes up early, sees this in my email notifs, hewwo ??

i can’t emphasize enough that love grew up a bit sheltered especially in the years immediately after he came into his semblance. his power is activated by shedding blood and being exposed to it. it was not a pleasant experience and it had real legal ramifications between the victim and love (a minor at the time of course) which brought on a surge of protectiveness from his parents as well as them using their political/social clout to win a favorable solution for love, basically sweeping the event under the rug, while also keeping love ignorant about what exactly happened to the person. which is why i still say that he has no criminal record. quite a bad idea in hindsight - love feels certain that he killed them and he was not given the chance to personally apologize to the family for it, if they would even have him at this point, and all of this began his feelings of shame around his semblance alongside its celebration from his tribe as a mark of charisma / a good warrior / what have you, which is why i’m always inches away from saying that love has a bit of a complex around his affinity which is … pretty unfortunately janus-faced when you really think about the contrary natures of his supposed fate: greatness or madness, or greatness even in madness - greatness is the central destiny here, the contrariness bolstered by stories of previous inheritors of their hereditary semblance who always fell into one of the two categories. the inheritor immediately before him was for sure bloodmad. which doesn’t help matters. love has a feeling that he would become so too if he fully indulged his semblance. maybe that’s paranoia or the aforementioned shame talking, but whatever, it’s genuinely how he feels.

why am i talking about semblance again.

back to the point, he was sheltered more after this event. a lot of the house help and hires were faunus so he did spend a lot of time with them when his parents were busy. yes seeing faunus in certain roles affected him, i know how iffy it can sound to say ‘i have a __ friend so i understand ___!’ or ‘i know many __, so __!’ his curiosity about some faunus traits will come across as ignorant or even affronting if done in the wrong way. and a question like ‘can i touch it?’ always vacillates between ok and wtf no. but in actuality he typically doesn’t bring attention to faunus traits at all because then he knows he won’t make a social faux pas and he’s taken way too many etiquette classes to blunder too badly at this point idk how he was as a kid, he was a fucking handful. but today he is a naturally sensitive person. has more tact than you might expect from his abundance. he’s not afraid to apologize or be corrected, at any rate. tends to notice/comment on someone’s overall attractiveness rather than specifics (he takes note of people’s attractiveness like people do the weather. it’s just a part of how he meets someone and it doesn’t need to mean anything). there’s no intentional othering going on when he thinks of faunus or meets one. also like … i’m sure historical figures such as the faunus queen of vacuo who led during the great war + the apparent egalitarianism of the society (but is it tho) has introduced some levity into vacuoan society and into love’s mind even if through history books or lessons or moments of exposure. going too far into the i don’t see species i see people direction is also an issue (kind of like the i don’t see color argument which negates imp history, current social/criminal/etc injustices, prejudice & racism, etc). but. i answered this ask a year ago and it’s still faithful to his attitude.

… after going to shade academy he at least feels ok to ask mai and aris questions too lol, rip if he’s ever said anything awkward or offensive to them. i am sure he has been offensive due to some part of his upbringing.

that said, all of the faunus in love’s life were not in subservient roles while growing up. some of his most impactful tutors were/are faunus. including one of his primary weapons & combat trainers who i am currently trying to create. her name is leila and she’s one of the lakhdari’s (alt name for the akhdar clan which his tribe belongs to) most formidable warriors. even though she flitted in and out of love’s life because she needed to go and kick ass somewhere, she is like one of his most favorite people ever. not pictured: little love, an only child, precocious and celebrated and sometimes feared with very few friends his own age, telling his badass adult trainer that they’re friends now ok? can i visit? what’s your scroll number? then they actually became friends and leila is always like, well, alright i guess. leila is an arabian oryx whose faunus trait are those horns and she is also literally a golden-eyed warrior (they have their own lore for golden-eyed warriors) (it’s a wip from my end but i gesture vigorously at love’s own gold eyes. when i say he’s fated he’s fuckin fated) … leila’s profile post is forthcoming mostly because i don’t know how the hell to edit gifs in ps for her graphic.

AND NOW THE CONNECTION.

the point of his tribe’s endogamy (marriage within one’s own group) is to preserve their hereditary semblance. it already skips generations instead of being passed down faithfully from parent to offspring. there is an element of blood purity for a blood affinity going on here. in a difficult place like vacuo you can understand why one might want to keep a semblance like that close and alive. the clarkia semblance plus their role as prominent dust merchants contributed to their wealth and influence today. in addition, the clarkias are a human tribe. so that reinforces things. the akhdar clan they belong to have both humans and faunus though, hence folks like leila. this dynamic even goes into his and ksenija’s relationship, who are second cousins i think … there was reluctance from some people in love’s life about letting them meet a lot, although their parents got along fine because love’s parents went the exogamous route. exogamy is when one marries someone outside one’s own group. isa married amina who is way outside the kin group although still of an equal (or higher tbh) socioeconomic status than isa, when the general tradition of the clarkia tribe is to marry within one’s own group. basically they all married for love and so they didn’t really give a fuck about faunus heritage when love like, cried and begged to skip out of lessons in order to see ksenija when he was little. family is so important to them.

the clarkias are a failing house because they’re in the dust industry, and that hasn’t been doing too hot in vacuo for a long while. love is trying to help save his family from obscurity. part of this means him keeping traditions and expectations like the above going. part of his decision in choosing to become a huntsman is because of this desire to keep them from obscurity, when the clarkias really have no reason or tradition of buying into the idea of a huntsman when they’ve been warring and fighting against grimm generations before shade academy ever popped up as the ““““only real source of order.””””” so love fully expects to marry a human too. it doesn’t stop who he associates with, befriends, flirts with, or sleeps with. but he’s gonna marry a human. he is currently engaged to one even if they kinda want to break it off, but even then love is gonna marry a human. if anyone thinks that’s problematic please call him out on it but he never talks about his betrothed or marriage expectations unless he has to, not because he’s ashamed (they’re actually very compatible! they just don’t want to marry each other) (also i have not ‘created’ his betrothed yet because this is going to be all disney aladdin / 1,001 nights mythos which i haven’t had the time to watch/read for the past. year … lol.) 

he is a member of vacuoan elite and marriage prospects or who his family has hired / continue to hire seriously does not mean that he personally thinks lesser of faunus, only that he grew up in an environment that has informed his life and expects certain things from him.

[thewickedbohemian]

I’ve got a complicated theory I posted on Reddit to Watsonianly explain that in a way kinder to autism (but not plugging the hole entirely as it still doesn’t explain how his brain changed from time travel but he still existed); basically due to a combination of the time Eureka was created, the high level of endogamy because of its secrecy, it deliberately selecting for intelligence and how much their research was somewhat focused towards what’d help the DoD, a lot of Eureka’s population technically has Aspergers/high-functioning-autism/whatever’s-the-correct-term (what this theory says Kevin’s mind got “cured” to) it’s just they never had the opportunity to learn about it until a time when dealing with those kind of eccentricities was so normalized for Eureka that anyone who had-it-and-didn’t-know looking into it had kind of the whole adult-undiagnosed-autistic “Doesn’t everyone do [thing-that’s-actually-a-symptom x y or z]”. Therefore only a severe case like pre-time-change Kevin had would actually register as autistic by Eureka’s standards (and as for why Alison at least in particular might want her son “normal” (whatever normal is for Eureka) whatever you might think about the morality of it it’s at least consistent with her character as she is shown many times to place very high value on things like routine, stability and tradition so maybe Kevin being as autistic as he was before was a bit too much for her to handle and so given her high value on science as well, maybe she just thought she could scientific-progress it better).

Eureka's portrayal of autism is so weird and gross I know it was 2010 but come on. Kevin gets "cured" from autism AGAIN this time through time travel and Allison doesn't want to change the timeline back because she doesn't want to "lose her son again" what does THAT mean ??? You're not gonna lose your son he'll just have autism again why is she acting like he's gonna die. Like this autism free version of him is the only version she wants.

( Also how does time travel "cures" autism? Why is this show obsessed with "curing" his autism? Kinda weird guys )