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hello, i have a question concerning one of your recent posts talking about trans men, ftm and other male or mspec people being lesbians. i mean this in the most respectful way possible, but how could a trans man be a lesbian? isnt the whole point non men loving non men? im sorry if youve got this question before and thanks for answering in advance if you do
i get this question all the time lol but i don't mind answering. thanks for taking the time to ask!
that is radfem rhetoric that you've picked up from other people inadvertently- lesbian does not mean "non man loving non man," as gay does not mean "non woman loving non woman". "gay" is a form of queer attraction, so is lesbian. if we don't define "gay" by who we leave out, why are we doing so with lesbianism? we do not define who we are attracted to by who we leave out, that makes no sense. lesbian is a form of queer attraction that can include as many people as an individual feels is right for them. if we say "non men" to include nonbinary people why are we excluding nonbinary and other trans people who also happen to be men as well? some people are "non men" and men at the same time, so do we exclude them, too, or do we include them?
the logic falls apart instantly the second we remind ourselves that multigender, genderfluid, gender non conforming, genderqueer, (masc) nonbinary, genderfuck and other people who completely break the gender binary. and a lot of them are men and mascs. lesbians should not have to be shoved inside of a cis butch woman - cis femme woman dichotomy and nothing else. we've been tricked into thinking like radfems by viewing "proper" lesbian relationships as relationships between cis lesbians and feminine afab nonbinary lesbians (who are being viewed as cis women in this scenario) and nobody else. we need to allow lesbianism to be diverse, otherwise, we will continue this radfem echo chamber that has been going on for decades!
we must also consider that lesbian is a form of queer attraction, so it can include lots of experiences, just like gay can. nonbinary people, genderqueer people, trans people of all genders can use "gay" how they see fit, whether it means they're attracted to men, women, nonbinary people, intersex people, genderfluid people, and so on. people of all genders are allowed to do the same thing with dyke, sapphic and lesbian as well! the most common useage of the word lesbian is to mean wlw, but that doesn't mean every single lesbian, dyke and sapphic explains it that way. some lesbians, dykes and sapphics experience multiple modes of attraction! some are bi, pan, poly, omni and so on
lesbianism and men are not polar opposites. lesbians can be multigender or genderfluid. lesbians can be transmascs and trans men and guys and boys and men. lesbians can be boydykes and guydykes. many trans men and mascs start out in the lesbian community and find their home there. some find they never stop feeling like lesbians or butches or dykes. there are two-spirit lesbians who are also men. this is totally okay. this sort of thing can hurt intersex lesbians. this kind of thinking can hurt transfem lesbians and lesbian trans women as well if transphobic people consider them "men". we need to stop trying to exclude as many people as we can from lesbianism, and focusing on including people instead. lesbian is not and well not ever be an exclusive term that only applies to women and women only. let's be real, "non men" just means very feminine nonbinary people and ""women-lite"" enbies. this doesn't apply to masc enbies and trans people, because where does the line between "non man" and "man" begin? it doesn't exist
hope that helps! thanks for taking the time to ask! have a wonderful day you can also search the tags on this post on my blog as i talk about this a lot! :) this works best in desktop or in a browser on mobile.
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I can't believe just how much of the lesboy discourse is just going back to these two simple question : ''Do multigender people exist?'' and ''Can non-binary people identify as men and/or women?''.
And obviously the answer to both of these questions is yes,but somehow It is still not understood in the majority of the online queer community,especially on tiktok.
They still believe multigender identities (and other enby identities) are just abinary genderless identities who can only be classified as ''feminine enough to be seen as a girl non-binary'' and ''masculine enough to be seen as boy non-binary''. They truly do not believe that we can identify as binary genders,they believe it even less if said binary gender is being a man. Their view of gender is not based on how multigender and non-binary identities in general actually work,it is based on an incorrect view of them only made to justify seeing non-binary people as ''woman-lite''.
But why would they try to actually listen to non-binary and multigender people for a change? It would mean that they will have to reconize that the non-men/men binary is complete horseshit because it would be incorrect to treat ''man'' and ''woman'' as identities who can ever intersect..and even worse...they will have to admit that men can in fact identify as lesbians !! The horror !!! /s
#non binary lesbian#multigender lesbian#multigender#non binary#transmultiphobia#exorsexism#queer#lgbtqia+#transgender#radinclus#queer discourse#trans discourse#lesboy discourse#lesboy#pro lesboy#lesboy safe space#lesboy positivity#lesbian
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Midnight Pals: Weirdgirls
Chloe Johnson: open wide, horror fans Johnson: cuz here's a new sheriff in town Johnson:you've heard of hopepunk Johnson: you've heard of sweetweird Johnon: you've heard of noblebright and squeecore and nicewave Johnson: well get read for the hot new horror microgenre that's blowing them all away Johnson: it's weird girl hours
Johnson: that's right, weirdgirl is the new hotness that all the kids are talking about Johnson: female and non-binary writers are driving a vibrant new sub-genre featuring strange, unhinged underdogs Johnson: so LOOK OUT, Mr John Q Horror Writer! Johnson: feminism is back Johnson: and this time Johnson: there's enbies too
Johnson: let's look in on how weirdgirl is changing the scene [at midnight society] Angela Carter: out of the way, men! Carter: horror's not just an old boy's club anymore! Carter: it turns out that the sisters Carter: are going to be doing it for themselves Carter: and the enbies too
Poe: angela, what's all this about? Carter: perhaps you're not aware edgar Carter: here's a new kind of horror in town Tabitha King: yeah! Anne Rice: that's right! Carter: goodbye, cozy! Carter: hello, weird!
Carter: women be writing weird books Carter: and the enbies too Patricia Highsmith: what? dames write books? Carter: Highsmith: that IS weird Carter: Carter: i don't even know what's happening over here, if i'm honest
Lovecraft: what?! this is ridiculous Lovecraft: everyone knows that girls don't know how to be weird! Carter: and the enbies too
Carter: but consider this Carter: what could be weirder than a girl? Lovecraft: i Lovecraft: [sweats] that is true, i do find girls to be very weird
Carter: and the enbies too Lovecraft: n-no Lovecraft: no they just girls lite, aren't they? Carter: Lovecraft: so they're less weird Lovecraft: by definition Carter:
Lovecraft: b-but how can this be a thing? Lovecraft: all the greats of weird fiction have always been men Lovecraft: Machen, Hodgson, Kafka Barker: you really sure about that last one, howard? Lovecraft: huh? Kafka: huh? Barker: ha ha ha Kafka: what's that mean? Poe: nothing pay no attention to him
Bitter Karella: wh-what's that you say? Karella: female and non-binary writers are driving a vibrant new sub-genre featuring strange, unhinged underdogs??? Karella: you know, i can think of one non-binary writer driving a vibrant new sub-genre featuring strange, unhinged underdogs Karella: [holding up MOONFLOW available at fine bookstores everywhere Sept 2025]
Karella: that's right it's Moonflow Karella: available September 2025 Karella: it's that exciting new book that everyone's talking about Karella: featuring a strange, unhinged underdog Karella: and taking place in a vibrant new sub-genre Karella: BUY MY BOOK
Karella: boy writing hack jokes about the battle of the sexes gets way harder when there's no binary Karella: i hate working harder >:C Karella: maybe it's finally time to become transphobic
#midnight pals#the midnight society#midnight society#clive barker#edgar allan poe#anne rice#angela carter#franz kafka#patricia highsmith#hp lovecraft#bitter karella#chloe johnson#tabitha king
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sa mention (nothing horrible, "just" the word)
(i hate using agab lingo like this but i dont know how to get it across otherwise here)
how being denied shelter from abuse and in general when you're an amab enby or "too masculine" enby.
how i am afraid that if i start T i will never have a safe space again because its all "women and enbies but only the enbies we like"
how i will never be able to go to a "womens" shelter when escaping abuse. how i will never be treated like i do experience misogyny/SA/harassment since i am a "man" and therefore dont need any safe spaces. how there literally arent any for mascs or men. how i am afraid to not be able to use "womens" parking spaces in a dark and empty parking garage since they are closer to the exits (at least where im from)
i hate how if you get too masculine you get denied safety. safety should be for all. esp trans/enby ppl. like i get women need their spaces but its gotten to a point where its denied any other gender can experience the same harassment/abuse and not having ONE safe space to go/to turn to and women and enby spaces being watered down to women and women lite and only afab fem enbies. like.
this is exorsexism.
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No hate but, you do realize there's no real way to measure the attraction to NBs in the same way you'd do men and women? When you are attracted to men or women you then narrow it down with preferences, but in the end you're feeling an attraction based on their gender. Famously NB isn't some third binary with clearly defined boundaries. Being Enby is some murky gender soup that doesn't fit neatly into some sexuality. How do you measure the attraction to NBs when you can't even clearly defined what it means to be NB? Agender? Bigender? Genderfluid? Masc, femme, Gender neutral presentation? Fuck you it ain't your business?
I hate how people try to push being enby into some third binary gender, where it's easy to decide if you're attracted to the "entire gender" when that's just not how it works. Being NB is a lot less defined because it's NON BINARY, you don't have an easy answer as to who is enby and how they fit into existing sexualities.
Even if you made a magical sexuality for NBs most would literally just treat it like "homo- and het-lite"
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You wouldn't know it to see some of the NBs around here.
I kid. I kid. But it is interesting how this has shaken out over time. Some people are overtly using it as an umbrella term for things that don't fit the binary, and some people are using it as one specific identity.
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hot take maybe but people being frustrated by straight guys on dating profiles pretending that non binary means woman lite and putting 'i want a female woman girlfriend' in their bio , should be as appalled ( if not more so ) by women putting 'I HATE ALL MEN' and 'certified man hater' 'i want to hate crime men lol' ... like worstie why are you putting your preferences on non binary then?? and before anyone comes at me like urm actually non binary fem ppl exist and maybe they where seeking them out - OK SO NOW theyre just expressing a preference for fem people and its totally fine to treat enby as just another category to find women (while pretending that nb men and mascs dont exist) but when straight guys do it theyre the scum of the earth actually?? make it make sense
like hot take probably but straight guys are not inherently evil and its kinda unhinged to 'hate all men' bcs thats a large portion of the population babe why you carrying sm hatred in your soul ? have you considered that some straight men are also queer ? marginalised? just decent human beings ? like its giving you tried to radicalise too close to the sun . its giving stay the fuck away from me wth
#like i know it should just be taken as a silly joke#but like wtf i did not need to read that you hate me while youre supposedly interested in dating my gender wha#I KNOW#big part of the problem is fact that dating sites only hate limited options for gender and gender preferences but like#my point still stands actually just be nice??? idk#transandrophobia
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once again i am fucking annoyed by the youths who identify as nonbinary bc it's nothing but a sea of "uwu enbies uwu" and "theydies and gentlethems" and just consistently perpetuating the stereotype that ALL nonbinary people use they/them exclusively, and that ALL nonbinary people want to appear as androgynous and/or masc, and anyone who doesn't fit into these boxes is a nonbinary "minority" and doesn't have much room to speak on anything since they don't speak for "the vast majority"
WE'RE ALREADY A MINORITY OF PEOPLE WHY ARE YOU FORCING PEOPLE INTO BOXES
there's no right or wrong way to be nonbinary. there's no singular nonbinary look, alignment, or anything like that. nonbinary people aren't just thin white afab transmascs named bug or rowan with undercuts and piercings and use they/them exclusively. nonbinary people use he/she/it/fae/xey and a bunch of other pronouns. nonbinary people have huge tits and don't bind them and enjoy showing them off. nonbinary people are people of color with their own unique experiences that should be fucking listened to. nonbinary people are fat and deserve just as much recognition and respect as thin nb people. nonbinary people are amab and deserve to be accepted in nb spaces without being treated like they're predatory men in a Women Lite™ community.
get the fuck over yourselves, and remember that we're all a minority together, not just the cutesy enby whatevers with blue hair and pronouns.
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just saw that "you are loved" cuttlefish post on my dash again (idk if you know the one) but it goes through so many identities and just. does not include trans men. pan people, bi people, lesbians, trans women, intersex people, nonbinary people too i think, but not trans men. like maybe I'm taking it the wrong way, maybe I should celebrate that all of these types of people are being celebrated, i especially loved seeing intersex people included, but? the deliberate exclusion just hurts I guess. it would've been so easy to say trans people or just include trans men too.
another thing that makes me feel like I'm just being overly sensitive about it is that I do tend to lean into the nonbinary label sometimes, but it feels very "the only good enby is a femme-lite enby" and I'm. audibly sighing I used to like seeing that post on my dash
i haven't seen the post you're referring to, but i have definitely noticed this with queer positivity posts in general
like people think it's somehow progressive to aggressively leave trans men out of every conversation, ever. like, people have gone too far with profiling people based off their genders to the point where they trick themselves into thinking that trans men are now Cishet Male Oppressors and find excuses and reasons to target, bully, and emotionally abuse us. people literally just think we are undeserving of love and kindness because us disclosing that we're a man suddenly somehow is hurting that person
people are NOWHERE near as aggressive about this with cis gay men. people are not sitting here trying to weed cis gay men out of every space and post as possible. it sends me reeling to realize that people accept cis men more than trans men, even though they love to say how much they hate "all" men. is it really "all" men, or is it just trans men? because it feels very pointed toward a specific group of men that nobody loves to name, but everyone loves to hate.
i know that people who aren't trans men usually can't see the pain this causes us. but so many people just don't care. they assume that we have no feelings because they stereotype men to be emotional brick walls. they think it's okay to leave us out and abuse us because somehow, trans manhood has hurt them. like these people behave like a bus full of trans men showed up at their front door and kicked them to death.
like people really are so threatened by the idea that a "woman" can become a man. why is this an issue?
and good lord that is the ugliest take on nonbinaryhood i've ever seen. "femme-lite". wow. people really just do see nonbinary people as women, huh? nonbinary people aren't cis women jesus fucking christ. masc and butch nonbinary people are still nonbinary and there's nothing wrong with that. jesus christ people are SO scared of diversity. people are SO scared of something they can't relate to.
feminine people and women are not inherently safe to be around. i have been sexually and physically assaulted by multiple women. i have been groped by women. i have had cis women tell me that i'm "basically a woman" because i have a vagina and i'm a trans man. i've had women emotionally and mentally abuse me. women and femmes have stolen things from me. women and femmes are not inherently safe to be around. women and femmes can hurt you.
i'm sorry you're encountering this kind of stuff. people are more proud to talk about who they hate than who they love/like and it's just ugly. they don't care that it's affecting people. but if someone does something to even slightly inconvenience them, like, idk, being a trans man, then suddenly the world grinds to a halt. it's entitled behavior. it's people who want to be in control of the queer community and try to control our narratives.
there are some people who are legitimately a part of the queer community for the wrong reasons. the amount of people who are converting to rad feminism and thinking that the queer community needs to be a Cis Girls Only Club is staggering. people are trying to remove everyone but cis women who are pathologically afraid of an entire gender that hasn't hurt them. this isn't the terf club. stop trying to make this into the terf club.
i hope you're able to feel a bit better soon. people are so fucking shitty and it's time it stops. there's no reason to profile people. that's not what we do here. it's not right to leave people out of our spaces who rightfully belong. ignoring the existence of trans men won't make us go away. we're here and you need to listen to us and care about us because we are your siblings and we have not inherently wronged you by virtue of existing.
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Genuinely sucks to be a closeted afab enby
all people see in me is a useless woman. First of all genuine women are not useless and do not need to constantly prove themselves to men or be left to deal with the micro aggressions of the patriarchy. I cannot stand to see how many times the women in my life have been expected to be domestic and take care of men out of their own womanness not because they genuinely want to. Like I’ve seen grown ass men in my life cook a messy ass dinner and then leave the cleaning and dishes to the women or fucking step in and dictate the plans for a thing and then expect the women in the room to bow to their schedule. Or fucking touch a woman and push her out of the way just because they can effectively communicate they don’t like the outcome of a task. Like who said the men of the world have the right to rudely touch a woman like that, if it was a guy to another guy they wouldn’t do that when communicating with eachother without it causing a scuffle. But no the women of the world just have to bow down and take a rude form of physical contact instead of communicating.
And don’t get me started on anything related to hard physical work being immediately shifted onto the men. Like yes I can break down the toughly glued cardboard boxes just as well as the men. If I use my core and lift correctly the weight I can carry should not be dependent on my gender but my bodily strength. I dont need the big strong men to do a hard task for me I need the big strong anyone of any gender to do a task for me if it is outside of the safe range of activity for my body’s flexibility and strength. No it shouldn’t be that I am a strong or smart woman. I should just be labeled as strong or smart regardless of the way society sees me binary or not without my gender having a say in that.
And being an enby sucks because no matter what I do in treating me like I’m a useless woman (talking to the dick ass men in the world) you not only show me how much of a dick you can be to women but also how much I will never be seen for who I am. Yes I wear dresses and skirts sometimes, yes I wear pants and shirts sometimes. No i am not a man and no i am not a woman. I lean masculine sometimes but I’m not a tomboy. Fuck I know I’m sometimes over cautious and anxious about the world but call it being over cautious, don’t fucking say I’m “mothering people” like my perceived gender has no bearing on my bad habits. Call out my bad habits gender aside. And what a fucking double standard that is for women. They can’t come off as too “motherly” lest they be seen as dumb and not smart, but then they are expected by society to be mothers when they grow up as if that’s a good thing. Like you want women to actively pursue a role you demean within society? That’s fucked!
just because I look feminine sometimes does not mean I should be subject to societal bulshit but I am. Reminder the patriarchy is not only a tool to controll the women of the world but also applies to the gender diverse if society thinks the shoe fits.
I am not woman lite!
#women#afab nonbinary#Nonbinary#gender diversity#enby#transgender#fuck the patriarchy#trans vent#tw dysphoria
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Nothing makes ya feel more unconfident than looking for another partner ngl.. when i was in mono ships id feel unhappy with being with just a guy on their own , since im heavily more into femmes .. but id fare fine usually, there wasnt a worry there cuz i was with one person and that was it.. however, Having the freedom , watching ya partner be with someone else who it didnt work out with and dont like as much, and just feeing like shit from all the lack of queer folk who interact , especially gals , in favor of folk who dont read what im trying to look for ..
(To make it clear i dont hate men - My attaction to them , especially non queer + cis ones is just close to a strong demisexual/romantic level and the flood of dms, bad apples, and creepy folk 3x my age dont help it at all )
I get couples who want a third (i practice openly and am partnered??) Just folk who prolly see me as "gal lite" or "kink dispenser mommy" or lotta of people who skim and go straight to the dms .. its tiring..
I just want a partner whod see me for me , a awkward enby who isnt femme in the ways ppl think .. im a androgyne! I present that way! I dont see many folk who include or seem to like that apperance as a gal or generally ...
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Maybe everyone wouldn't think nonbinary was women-lite if you people would stop harassing and excluding all of the masc presenting enbies.
You do not have the right to shit on anyone, using their physique/style/body an excuse.
You think being a man-hater is something to be proud of, someone who is pro-feminism. Wrong. It's an idiot looking for any opportunity to gatekeep and fracture the queer community, and keep the patriarchal system firmly in place.
Trans mascs, queer men, masc enbies, closeted transfems, intersex folk, cis family, friends, and loved ones— these are all the people you are kicking to the curb, pushing out of the community and calling abusers, and predators. Hell most of you can't even handle a transwoman if she doesn't look like a damn pin-up model. I've seen you hating on butch lesbians god godsake!
Does it make you feel good, to fuck over your own community? Knock that shit off. Pathetic behavior honestly. TERF behavior.
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Are there queer spaces that AREN'T openly accepting of AMAB nonbinary people? (Asking as AMAB nonbinary person)
unfortunately, while a lot of queer spaces won’t state it openly, lots of amab enbies are treated either as trans women or gnc cis men. there’s a view of nonbinarism as woman-lite, but this definitely isn’t true of all spaces.
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hiii! just a reminder for the binary gals and gays who still don’t seem to get it:
nblm isn’t gay lite, and nblw isn’t lesbian lite. because nonbinary people are who like women aren’t always fem or neutral aligned, and nonbinary people who like men aren’t always masc or neutral aligned. when you say ‘nonbinary loving ___’, like it or not, you are including all nonbinary people. the term nblm is for any nonbinary person who likes men, in the same way that nblw is for any nonbinary person who likes women.
when you say your blog and content are safe for nblm, but exclude fem aligned enbies, you are contradicting yourself. when you act like nblw and lesbian mean the same thing, you are excluding a lot of nonbinary people who don’t necessarily see themselves as lesbians.
nonbinary is an incredibly wide spectrum of genders, and to act like nblm are ‘basically gay’ and nblw are ‘basically lesbians’ is wildly reductive and blatantly wrong.
#if what you mean to say when you say nblw safe or nblm safe is#‘only people i can consider gay safe the rest of you can fuck off’#just. say that lmao#we all know that’s what you want to say anyways#sorry that nonbinary people don’t easily fit neatly into your little boxes lmaoo#nblm do interact#nblw do interact
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No, this is fair. The treatment of nonbinary and genderfluid people is based on what sex/gender they pass as far too often, and perceived women-lite get treated as women (hello misogyny. But like. Nonbinary misogyny. Genderfucked misogyny. Shake hands with our sisters suffering transmisogyny) and perceived mostly-men get treated as men (hello toxic masculinity, hello to hatred for what they imagine men are, hello to nonbinary misandry, let's shake hands with all our brothers suffering transndrophobia) and like yeah all trans/enby/genderfluid people please shake hands.
Ok ok so speaking in juxtaposition to "men's rights" (misogynist) movements, misandry--both for men in general, and more specifically a hatred for toxic masculinity and the way that "contaminates" misandrists views of anyone male-passing--misandry is a real problem we've gotta tackle. Men should feel welcome in queer spaces. Mannish/male-passing people should feel welcome in queer spaces. The fact that so many don't? Is a problem.
Toxic misandry? Mistoxicandry? Misandrotoxicry? There's gotta be a name for the toxic hatred/fear of men due to toxic masculine gender norms.


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Oh no people are absolutely weird about f/f ships too. You'll see one of the characters always portrayed as basically a straight man-lite and the other is extremely hyperfeminised. When in canon neither of the characters are hypermasculine or hyperfeminine. I absolutely hate this type of yuri ships. Also god forbid if you headcanon the feminine one in the ship as a transbian or a nonbinary lesbian, those shippers would be foaming at the mouth to call you a misogynist instantly. Yes, fandoms are for people to do whatever they want with the characters, but this shit can completely take the enjoyment out for the rest of us I feel like
Thanks for sharing your perspective on this! I interact with wlw ship stuff quite a bit, but didn't wanna start stating my opinion on how those type of relationships are often perceived/represented in fandom and accidentally discredit something queer women/enby girl-likers enjoy seeing in their ship media. /lh
I've definitely seen that kinda weird "straight-coding" of wlw relationships that you're talking about though, where they make one character lean hyper-masc and the other lean hyper-fem despite neither being that way in their original media. I definitely don't mind people exploring different aesthetics with character's (in MHA fanart I'm a big fan of people putting Uraraka in both suits and dresses or just giving her a big more general fluidity in her gender), but whenever people feel the need to lean queer relationships into those cliche gender roles it is always weird as hell. These character's don't need to fall into that cliche "girl and boy" umbrella for their relationship to feel more valid, they're connected to their media which gives you those dynamics and shared moments that represent their love, and often times their shared relationship to girl and/or boyhood adds to that kind of connection (like how Uraraka and Toga's relationship is built off the trope-y idea of the "highschool crush" girls get and then builds into something deeper and more personally emotional! /lh)
And OOF yeah, the lowkey terf-esc undertones some people have towards the idea of characters in wlw relationships being trans is fucking disheartening, dude. Genuinely don't know how some people can claim to love women and/or wlw content yet be so vicious towards the mere idea of a character being a trans/enby lesbian.
Genuinely the way large subsections of fandom treat trans character's is 's so pulverization to me (I'm trans masc for reference). When you add a transfem adjacent character to a wlw ship you often get transphobia, yet also (Not to make this conversation about men, but just for the sake of comparison and adding to the conversation /lh) when you put a transmasc character in a mlm relationship there's a weird hyperfeminzation of him and people immediately start assigning him this bullshit role of always being the bottom (also it always frustrates me that regardless of gender, there's this kinda invisible line of "trans enough" that loads of fanworks refuse to go past. Transgirls always have boobs and look perfectly fem-passing, but never have bottom surgery. And trans guys have top surgery and/or bind 24/7 and have been on T long enough to look "cutely" masc but yet again never have bottom surgery. Fucking give me characters who never medically transition!! Give me character's that have done so completely!! There shouldn't be these expectations of where every single trans person ends up in their transition UGH /lh /sorry this was kinda off topic, I've been meaning to rant about this though and it's gotten so bad it's affected IRL conversations I've had TwT). LIKE GOD PLEASE BE NORMAL ABOUT TRANS PEOPLE!! I PROMISE IT ISN'T HARD. THAT CHARACTER BEING TRANSFEM DOES NOT TAKE AWAY FROM HER WOMANHOOD AHHHHHHH
And yeah, completely agree, things can consistently annoy me in fandom (gestures to the above) but I'm never gonna claim people don't have a right to enjoy certain character's that way. Like, there's definitely plenty of IRL and fictional sapphic relationships where one woman leans more fem and the other leans more masc. And if people enjoy those aesthetics and wanna add them to characters- it's not hurting anyone! Go for it! Constantly pushing that as a necessary dynamic in all WLW media tho is frustrating and makes me feel like people don't earnestly care for the characters or relationship. Sometimes two fem girls kiss, sometimes two masc girls kiss, sometimes two girls who literally have no strong lean on the gender spectrum at all kiss. Be normal about it pls and thank you :)
#Del yells!#If i said anything unbased fem or nb girlikers please slap me on the head and tell me to correct it lol. I like to think I'm based but obvi#this is your space in the world not mine. I'm just a little guy :3 /lh /gen#anyways based anon thank you for sharing your thoughts#ignore me i'm rambling#fandom discourse#just in case! <3#long post#if i spelled anything wrong no i didn't <33
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It seems like this person has fluctuating dysphoria? Which I get is why some trans men go by the nb label before making the full leap to identifying as a trans man, but “woman lite enby” just seems contradictory tbh. If the “woman” label comes from presenting as feminine, isn’t that just stereotyping? This mindset just seems regressive tbh.
I mean they’ve been using the “women and enbies” thing for years as a way to progressively say “women and GNC women” which, yeah, is completely regressive.
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