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s t a r t r e k d e e p s p a c e n i n e created by rick berman, michael piller [armageddon game, s2ep13]
'The way I see it, we have only one chance to survive this thing that's to stay alive long enough for Commander Sisko to find us.' - o'brien
#star trek#star trek deep space nine#deep space nine#rick berman#Michael Piller#ds9 season 2#deep space nine season 2#ds9 Armageddon Game#Armageddon Game#lot: st ds9 season 2 ep 13/26 (ep 33/176)#alexander siddig#colm meaney#julian bashir#miles o'brien#Serving Together: O'Brien and Bashir
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DS9 2x13 Armageddon Game thoughts (rewatching, so possible future spoilers)
Julian does seem to like monologuing XD
Miles giving Julian all the credit and Julian being so reluctant to accept it - my heart, I cannot!
"I suppose another day won't kill me" ...but it almost will! Foreshadowing!
Miles saving Julian when he had been well-hidden and Julian very much wasn't!
These officials are very good at lying, I'll give them that
Callback to Miles' defence of rations earlier in the season XD
Oh, he's ever the doctor and I love how consistently that shows
And I love it how Miles' experience is coming out with him knowing that the best thing is not to move
Aw, Julian biting his lip after offering to help: knowing he's an augment, this can definitely be seen as him deciding to put a more unusual skill he shouldn't have out there, possibly rising exposure, for it be dismissed
I'm glad we're shown how upset and shaken the crew are at the news of death. Their faces in Sisko's office are just... <3
This whole conversation Julian and Miles are having about women isn't quite banter, but it would be if they were friends. I really don't know if Julian is winding Miles up on purpose to get his mind off the situation, knowing what he's doing, or if he is just an idiot.
( Though ngl, my Julian/Miles addled mind is reading this as Julian totally overcompensating to cover up his massive crush on Miles by going on about women.)
Doctor Julian is best Julian
KEIKO MY BELOVED I wish you didn't have to feel this way
I am SO curious what is in Julian's diary. I suppose even in a diary - especially presumably one on a PADD - he wouldn't even hint at his augmentations, given the risk of discovery.
"I suppose I should send them to his parents..." - No, you reallly shouldn't.
I love how proud Jadzia is whenever Quark is thoughtful. That expression definitely feels like she's showing off to Kira: "See, Ferengi are actually good too!"
Also I'm noticing far more snippets of Jadzia and Kira just hanging out and supporting each other and being friends <3 Not sure why I didn't see this ship before but it has my entire heart now.
Keiko persuading them the footage is suspicious is all so much funnier knowing she's wrong about the coffee. Although WHAT a good job she was!
Huh, initially Miles was describing the components to Julian (dark blue coil beside the green cylinder), but now he's moved fto calling them by name (subprocessor, RFoscillators). Either Julian has faked learning quickly otr let on how much he knows about electronics.
Julian really doesn't want to listen to Miles' thinking he'll die - but even less to Miles talking about Keiko...
Oh, I've just remembered why they tried to kill them!
"The T'Lani and Kellerun have finally made peace" - and boy, what a way to ensuring it survives, iirc....
Julian's complete bafflement at the lengths they were willing to go. He cannot understand killing innocent people at all!
"I'm sorry I didn't get us home, Chief." And he probably feels responsible, too, seeing that he ended up being the one to make the radio and contact the T'Lani.
"You did your best. It's been an honour serving with you." MY HEART.
Oooh, not home and dry yet, a space race!
I can't believe they'd risk a BIGGER war against the Federation to protect their peace?! They're not thinking this through very thoroughly, are they.
Idk why, but this fight scene has very TOS energy to me
Clever clever clever! Took me a second to figure out after the runabout exploded, but I got there before the T'Lani did so I'm pleased with that :P
Oh, Julian's so genuine and sweet, he just wants to be friends and have Miles like him
I can understand your time alone with him being hell seeing as you were dying, but you're definitely overexaggerating how bad Julian was, Miles
That reveal is still a favourite. What a twist XD
O'BRIEN: You know, I wouldn't mind a cup of coffee right now. KEIKO: Miles, you never drink coffee in the afternoon. O'BRIEN: Sure I do. KEIKO: You do?
I really love this episode. What a banger.
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keiko figuring out o’brien isn’t dead based solely on his coffee drinking habits is honestly my favorite thing ever
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there are many neat reptilian characteristics that one can give Cardassians. I've seen shedding scales, tails and claws, scent marking, and people making them ectothermic.
but consider:
Color changing ridges. Just for funsies. We already tend to headcanon that the ridges and spoons (chula, if you prefer) turn blue when aroused, mimicking the make up they wear in canon, but it would be a bit interesting if the ridges were Fully color changing, a la chameleons. Especially if they changed color based on emotions.
Because their culture is very focused on the Good of the State, it would probably be taboo to have your emotions plainly visible (too much risk of your colors giving away the fact that you aren't 100% content blindly serving the state). I think it would be typical to wear make up to cover up the color changing scales, or to wear paint in 'positive' colors.
Soldiers and the Obsidian Order might even find a way to chemically neutralize the color changing, either temporarily or permanently - it could be far too much of a liability, if someone got captured and interrogated.
Most non-Cardassians would be entirely unaware that this was a normal part of Cardassian physiology. Novels might have oblique references to the colors when describing emotions, but any book that spoke too clearly of them would be almost sure to get banned. Bashir would be slowly taking notes about which colors in novels seemed to correspond to which emotions, but he'd have no idea that it was because Cardassians could Literally Turn Those Colors. He'd just assume their color theory was different, and that they were Really into color metaphors for some reason.
Could be interesting to explore the cultural implications and see what kinds of new mischief happens on the station due to it.
#really I'm half just imagining Garak (who suddenly and unexpectedly is changing colors again) running around#and finding increasingly convoluted ways to disguise or explain away why his ridges are oddly orange.#maybe he has to bargain with Quark to get his claws on effective make up to cover it up.#or maybe he's like “this won't be a problem. I'm good at not having emotions” only to realize that he is NOT good at not having emotions#he has one (1) lunch with Bashir and has to leave 5 minutes in because he's lighting up like a christmas tree and it's too exposing#just various shenanigans. you get it.#ds9#deep space nine#star trek deep space nine#star trek ds9#cardassians#garak#julian bashir#ds9 garak#garashir#speculative biology#actually when i first considered this idea it was because i was thinking of garak hearing about bashir's 'death' in armageddon game#i figure garak Would grieve but would also pretend as though he was entirely unaffected. so i was like. well. what if he COULDN'T pretend?#what if his emotions on the matter were exposed against his will?#if nothing else it might force those who saw to come to terms with garak's humanity (you know what i mean) a little sooner than normal#before even garak himself has come to terms with it.
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sisko is of course always stunning but he especially looks so fucking good in all of visionary somehow. they'll be chatting away about romulans and klingons and meanwhile sisko is sitting there like a wholeass renaissance painting
#it might be a lighting thing maybe?#there's a scene in ops where he's standing right by one of those light panels and it outlines the side of his face SO perfectly#ds9 has really interesting lighting in general honestly it's such a cool part of how the show looks#thank u ds9 for letting me look at his face it is a precious gift#star trek#star trek ds9#ds9#benjamin sisko#this is his version of that scene in armageddon game where bashir's face is perfectly tenderly caressed by golden light I guess lol#his lil smile when odo's earnestly like '...I always investigate quark!' fhdskja
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Remember when Julian was obsessed with Jadzia so he gave her his diaries and Jadzia was like, "I'm not reading all that" because I do and I love it lmao it's just so them
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Just something that recently crossed my mind when thinking about Julian and his relationship with his parents.
Do you remember season 1 all-eager-to-please-puppy-Julian? Just imagine what an argument between Richard and season 1 Julian would have looked like. They did have a lot of differences in the past ever since Julian found out about his enhancements at the age of 15. But somehow I cant‘t really picture season 1 Julian opposing his father in more than a teenager kind of way. He might argue with his father over something but in the end he complies with whatever his parents tell him because he‘s so desperate to measure up to everyone’s expectations because he thinks that it’s the only way to earn their love.
Then take season 5 all-mature-and-grown-up Julian who knows exactly how to step up for himself and defend himself. He’s no longer willing to do as his father tells him. You can see in Sisko‘s office how much he‘s uncomfortable with his parents showing their affection for him. While season 1 Julian would have quietly endured the whole thing, probably feeling even guilty for not being the perfect son, season 5 Julian is ready to defend his newly made home against his parent’s intrusion.
And I just wonder when exactly that change in Julian’s attitude toward his parents might have happened. I mean, of course he grows up a lot during his time on DS9 but I can‘t help but wonder if there was something, a particular event that caused it.
If we take Julian’s statement in Dr. Bashir, I presume? where he says that he hasn‘t been home for three years that would mean that the last time he visited home must have been somewhere around season 2. It’s only my guess but Armageddon Game is set in season 2 where Julian is believed dead and Sisko passes on the news of Julian’s death to his parents. Most likely Julian visited his parents after the events. My guess is that that was the turning point in their relationship.
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Richard: We thought you were dead. I’m so glad you’re here. Just imagine, all that talent gone for good. All that knowledge and all those skills.
Julian: We’re talking about my life! I nearly DIED. And all you’re concerned about is that my talent could have been wasted?
Again, it’s only my guess but it would make sense…
#Julian Bashir#Armageddon Game#DS9#father son relationship#Richard Bashir#Amsha Bashir#Dr. Bashir#Dr. Bashir I presume#poor Julian
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You probably can't answer this one but over the course of TNG through Enterprise there are multiple allusions to a foot fetish. From Bashir in season 1 or 2 saying a former girlfriend had "exquisite feet" to the foot massage scene in TNG "The Price" and at least a dozen others. Are you aware of it or is it news to you? If you can say, which I don't think you can for reasons of professional courtesy, can you tell us about this? In my opinion the only suspect for it is Rick Berman since it can trace from TNG season 2 to Enterprise season 3 and no one else was around that long who wrote.
No clue.
Sec.
/quickly googles Bashir quote/
Oh, that scene. I have some vague memory doing a polish on "Armageddon Game" with Ira and getting to that bit. We're both married to ex-dancers, so we had a good laugh about people's perceptions of dancers' feet vs the reality.
Then we left it in because we thought it was funny.
I can't speak to any of the other scenes about feet, and I wasn't aware it's a "thing," but here at IPunchedQInTheFaceCoIncLtdGmbH, we do not kink shame. You be you!
#star trek ds9#ds9#star trek deep space 9#deep space 9#star trek deep space nine#deep space nine#ask me stuff#ask me anything#yep anything#tv writing#tvwriting#star trek#bashir#armageddon game
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DS9 S2E13 - Armageddon Game
This episode made me cry. Overall it was another mixed bag episode for me but it was pretty good all the same.
I know we have to get through the rougher patches of two people getting to know each other before we can get to true friendship so some of this is just quibbles rather than full issues with it, but the awkwardness between Miles and Bashir did lend to the hot/coldness of this episode. I will say I enjoy tend to enjoy it when the show puts these two together.
I wasn't a fan of how the only thing Miles and Bashir seemed to talk about was women but I was happy when Miles pointed out just how much Bashir obsesses over them. (Also side note, I *really* appreciate the "I'm married not blind" part of the conversation. Just because someone is married doesn't mean people can't still be attractive, it just matters what happens with that person)
Watching how each person reacted to the news of their "deaths was touching" but it was Keiko and Quark that pushed me to tears. Quark's was clearly not necessarily the best but it was clearly an attempt on his part. Keiko's reaction, though, how she could just
tell by Sisko's body language and expression and then how she was clearly shattered but didn't shed a tear? She knew this day was possible, she had worried and stressed about it, enough that when it finally happened she had gone through it enough times to hold herself together. Even for a few minutes.
And Sisko just believing the grieving wife that a late hour cup of coffee was too out of character that there had to be something wrong? I love his trust in his crew or at the very least, her.
Another side note, I actually laughed out loud at the end when Miles asks for coffee and she's baffled that he drinks coffee that late.
I was surprised by the twist that they were all in on the terrorism rather than just one said. They hid it well and made one side super suspicious and the other seem like they were in the dark. I'm not one to be generally thrown for a loop like this (I over analyze, think, and break things down from a writers POV and it can ruin things sometimes for me lol) but this one did take me by surprise.
Also the "when two people nearly die together" convo made me see why some folks are in on the polyam fam bus for Bashir/Miles. lol
7/10 - this one was hard to score cause I legit couldn't care less about Bashir's love life cause he's really gross about woman and I wanted to score it less for that reason but tbh the rest of the episode is pretty solid.
#armageddon game#deep space nine#star trek#star trek ds9#watchalong#star trek deep space nine#miles x bashir
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Whyyyyyy did they put three Miles whump episodes in a row. I actually really like "Paradise" (it's stuck with me since childhood), but I cannot watch that rectangle man go through it for one more minute
#star trek#ds9#maybe I'll come back to it after I watch someone else get kicked around for a while#like. as an author. WHO THOUGHT that was good pacing.#miles o'brien#armageddon game#whispers#paradise#water logs
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Miles making fun of Julian’s accent was so cute help
#bestie energy#miles o'brien#Julian Bashir#ari watches ds9#2x13 armageddon game#ds9 2x13#deep space 9#deep space nine#ds9#Star Trek
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via Trekcore.com
Nana Visitor (Kira Nerys) with Terry Farrell (Jadzia Dax) and Rosalind Chao (Keiko O’Brien) 1994 in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine "Armageddon Game“
https://data2364.wordpress.com/2021/01/11/daily-star-trek-11-januar-2021/
#Star Trek#Star Trek DS9#Nana Visitor#Kira Nerys#Terry Farrell#Jadzia Dax#Rosalind Chao#Keiko O’Brien#Armageddon Game#Das Harvester-Desaster
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Once again, an imagined 3-paragraph-whatsit has grown into a little longer ficlet 😅😅...
Occasionally, Julian asks Palis what's going to happen to them when he graduates and leaves with Starfleet for the stars. Usually, she just laughs, asking "Why worry about the future, when what we have now is so good?", or jokes about how she'll have to make sure she ties him up securely enough to stop that happening.
So he tries not to think about it too much, and accepts that their relationship is one of those that's not going to last forever - which is fine, what they have is good, and he was lucky that Palis had ever chosen him in the first place. Their futures being different from each other doesn't lessen the love that they have for each other now.
And then, six months away from graduating, Paris proposes. And Julian accepts, because what else do you do when your beautiful, amazing girlfriend proposes, even if it is completely unexpected?
He does wonder what made her change her mind though - she's never shown any interest in leaving France before, or in a long-distance relationship - but he's learnt not to ask her these things directly over the years, and so for a few days he tiptoes round the subject, dropping hints and subtle questions which she dances around as gracefully as ever.
The following Friday, she invites their parents round for a celebratory meal. She doesn't like it when he's critical of his parents - it's disrespectful - so he grins and bears it and doesn't tell her he'd much rather just cuddle up with her and a film and a takeaway for the evening.
"Have you told him the news?" her father asks as they sit down for the meal. Her face lights up, and she turns to beam at Julian, reaching out for to grasp his hand.
"No, I left it for you," she replies.
And suddenly, Julian's being offered a job here in Paris. He could be Chief of Surgery in five years, apparently. Or, as Monsieur Delon -Henri - assures him, if he wanted to get deeper into research, then Saint-Antoine has very close links with univerisities all across Europe.
"I-I thought... You're not coming with me?" he asks Palis in a daze. She smiles at him brightly.
"Of course not! What would I do in space?" she laughs. "Jules, this is perfect - I know you'll be an incredible doctor, and now you don't have to leave me. I've been hoping it would work out, but I didn't want to tell you until dad had got it all sorted - isn't he the best?"
"What a wonderful opportunity!" Amsha gushes. "And here in Paris! You'll be grateful to have stayed so close to London, when you need us to help with our grandchildren."
It is a very good opportunity, and Julian should want it, shouldn't he - to have this life with Palis, to have family looking out for him, for Palis not to give up the job she loves...
His heart is racing. He feels sick.
"I'm sorry," he says faintly, standing up and bringing a hand to his stomach. "I, uh - cramps, you know? Excuse me."
He leaves the room quickly, hearing the scraping of a chair behind him - presumably Palis coming to find out what's really wrong.
She follows him through to their bedroom, glaring at him from the door as he sits down on the edge of their bed.
"That was rude," she snaps, "and don't tell me it was cramps. You had your period last week."
"I was trying not to be rude!" Julian tries to explain. "I know your father must have put in a lot of work to make this happen, I don't want to sound ungrateful or say the wrong thing—"
"Then just say yes!" Palis interrupts. "What is wrong with you? It's perfect, and here you are having a fucking panic attack about it!"
"I'm not— I..." There's a buzzing in his ears, and he trails off, reaching for something neutral. "I don't— I don't like surpises," he reminds her quietly.
To his relief, she softens, despite how pathetic he's being. Settling beside him, she starts rubbing firm circles into his back, grounding him, letting him bask in her touch.
"Oh, sweetheart, I'm sorry," she says. "Is that what all this is about? It being a surprise? Oh, Julian, if I'd known you didn't like them, I wouldn't have done it like this at all. You should have told me."
He leans into her, taking deep breaths and comfort in her familiar smell.
"I've just been so excited about this," Palis explains. "I hoped you would be too. And I know you don't want kids right now, but your mum's right, neither of us have had surgery yet, so one day..."
"'Course I'm excited," he tells her, not quite sure if he's lying. "It's just, it's all—"
"A lot, I know," she finishes for him. "I'm nervous too. It's a big decision."
He nods slowly. "Can I have some—"
"Water?" she asks. "I'll go get some for you."
He had been going to say 'time to think', but Palis is already off, and now he thinks about it, she was right - his throat is rather dry.
She returns, and he sips the water gratefully, tapping his fingers against the glass until Palis tells him to stop.
"Are you ready to go back in?" she asks. "Our parents will be getting hungry."
Julian thinks about telling her he isn't, but quickly dismisses it. That would be rude.
"Okay. Yeah. Let's go, fiancée." That word, at least, is still exciting in its newness, and his mouth stumbles upon a smile before its even out of his mouth.
"I like that," she says, pulling him up form the bed and then into her. "You're mine now," she whispers in his ear, in a way that makes him really wish that their parents were not still waiting for them in the kitchen.
But they are, and although they seem to have already started on the food (Julian would bet anything that was Richard's idea), Julian and Palis can't hide in their bedroom forever. And there's still the small matter of accepting Henri's offer.
"Um, sorry about that," he says, sliding back into his seat. His mother's eyes are on him, and he looks away, knowing she's going to want to 'talk' to him later - she didn't buy his cramps excuse, either.
He turns to Palis' father, fixing his eyes on him for an excruciating few seconds. "I really appreciate what you're doing for me and Palis," he says. "It means a lot. I'd love to work with you, thank you."
His mouth has gone dry again, but Henri is standing up and holding out his hand, which means he wants Julian to shake it. In an effort he's quite proud of, Julian manages not to break eye contact until they've both sat down again. The chatter resumes, and as he reaches for his glass, he frowns at his hand, wondering why it's shaking.
Headcanon that Julian had a bunch of “relationships” as a teen with older people just to piss his parents off/to get away from them (because his gfs and bfs in their 20s would have their own place he could stay at...) and that he never really had a chance to learn what a healthy partnership looked like.
And then that Palis was emotionally abusive towards Julian, in a way that he never quite put his finger on...
And that his attraction towards Garak was in part due to the way that Garak felt dangerous to be around. Not because that was new or exciting or thrilling, but because it was familiar.
#Palis/Julian#Julian Bashir#Palis Delon#This uh#Isn't very happy again 😅#But at least you know he got out of it! And went to DS9! Right? :P#Even if I am writing this from the persepctive that everything he says in Armageddon Game is absolutely true for him at that moment#He he hasn't come to terms with how bad it was#Richard and Amsha's A++ parenting#Yeah idk where they came from but once it had occurred to me that Palis might get on with them they wouldn't go away#Luckily them being around so often will help Julian to realise that he really CAN'T stay on Earth... 😅😅😅#Also I so loved realising that “we finished each other's sentences” wasn't necessarily a good thing#That was fun#Also this is definitely why Richard's like 'you could have done research on earth 😡😡' in DBIP that was fun too#Andi writes#DS9 fanfiction#wsb
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I made the following graph because I was interested in which words show up most often in the titles of Star Trek episodes and movies:
I included episode titles from all twelve canon TV shows and all thirteen movies. I only counted nouns for the graph to avoid including boring words like “the” or “and”. I also counted plurals of a word as the same word (“stars” counts as “star”) and compound words where the singular word still carried the same meaning (“starship” counts as “star”). A complete list of episode/movie titles for each word listed in the graph is below the cut.
Time:
Amok Time (TOS)
The Time Trap (TAS)
The Naked Time (TNG)
Time Squared (TNG)
A Matter of Time (TNG)
Time’s Arrow (TNG)
Timescape (TNG)
Hard Time (DS9)
Children of Time (DS9)
A Time to Stand (DS9)
Time’s Orphan (DS9)
Time and Again (VOY)
Once Upon a Time (VOY)
Timeless (VOY)
Time Amok (PRO)
The Time Devouring Scavengers (PRO)
Star
Beyond the Furthest Star (TAS)
Starship Mine (TNG)
Starship Down (DS9)
Far Beyond the Stars (DS9)
North Star (ENT)
Battle at the Binary Stars (DIS)
The Brightest Star (Short Treks)
The Girl Who Made the Stars (Short Treks)
The Star Gazer (PIC)
The Stars at Night (Lower Decks)
Starstruck (PRO)
A Moral Star (PRO)
Man
The Man Trap (TOS)
Where No Man Has Gone Before (TOS)
The Schizoid Man (TNG)
The Measure of a Man (TNG)
Manhunt (TNG)
Tin Man (TNG)
Man of the People (TNG)
A Man Alone (DS9)
Our Man Bashir (DS9)
Inside Man (VOY)
Renaissance Man (VOY)
Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad (DIS)
Home
The Voyage Home (movie)
Home Soil (TNG)
Homeward (TNG)
Move Along Home (DS9)
The Homecoming (DS9)
Homefront (DS9)
Homestead (VOY)
Home (ENT)
Far From Home (DIS)
Coming Home (DIS)
Child
Friday’s Child (TOS)
And the Children Shall Lead (TOS)
Plato’s Stepchildren (TOS)
The Child (TNG)
Galaxy’s Child (TNG)
Children of Time (DS9)
Child’s Play (VOY)
Children of the Comet (SNW)
Children of Mars (Short Treks)
Life
Half a Life (TNG)
The Quality of Life (TNG)
Life Support (DS9)
Lifesigns (VOY)
Real Life (VOY)
Life Line (VOY)
Life, Itself (DIS)
Eye
Wink of an Eye (TOS)
The Eye of the Beholder (TAS)
The Mind’s Eye (TNG)
Eye of the Beholder (TNG)
Eye of the Needle (VOY)
Blink of an Eye (VOY)
Kayshon, His Eyes Open (Lower Decks)
Light
The Lights of Zetar (TOS)
The Inner Light (TNG)
The Darkness and the Light (DS9)
By Inferno’s Light (DS9)
In the Pale Moonlight (DS9)
Point of Light (DIS)
Light and Shadows (DIS)
War
A Private Little War (TOS)
The Dogs of War (DS9)
Warlord (VOY)
Warhead (VOY)
The War Within, the War Without (DIS)
Under the Cloak of War (SNW)
Night
Night Terrors (TNG)
Wrongs Darker than Death or Night (DS9)
Night (VOY)
Two Days and Two Nights (ENT)
A Night in Sickbay (ENT)
The Stars at Night (Lower Decks)
Game
The Gamesters of Triskelion (TOS)
The Game (TNG)
Armageddon Game (DS9)
The Killing Game (VOY)
Endgame (VOY)
The Least Dangerous Game (Lower Decks)
Shadow
Shadowplay (DS9)
In Purgatory’s Shadow (DS9)
Shadows and Symbols (DS9)
Shadows of P’Jem (ENT)
Light and Shadows (DIS)
Through the Valley of Shadows (DIS)
Mirror
Mirror Mirror (TOS)
Shattered Mirror (DS9)
In the Mirror, Darkly (ENT)
Mirrors (DIS)
The Mirror Universe (PRO)
Enemy
The Enemy Within (TOS)
The Enemy (TNG)
Face of the Enemy (TNG)
Silent Enemy (ENT)
Behind Enemy Lines (PRO)
Battle
Let that Be Your Last Battlefield (TOS)
The Battle (TNG)
Battle Lines (DS9)
Nor the Battle to the Strong (DS9)
Battle at the Binary Stars (DIS)
Mind
Dagger of the Mind (TOS)
The Mind’s Eye (TNG)
Frame of Mind (TNG)
Mining the Mind’s Mines (Lower Decks)
Mindwalk (PRO)
Blood
Bloodlines (TNG)
Blood Oath (DS9)
Ties of Blood and Water (DS9)
Blood Fever (VOY)
Flesh and Blood (VOY)
World
For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky (TOS)
The Best of Both Worlds (TNG)
Strange New World (ENT)
All the World’s a Stage (PRO)
Strange New Worlds (SNW)
Ship
Ship in a Bottle (TNG)
Starship Mine (TNG)
Starship Down (DS9)
The Ship (DS9)
One Little Ship (DS9)
Day
Day of the Dove (TOS)
Data’s Day (TNG)
Day of Honor (VOY)
Thirty Days (VOY)
Two Days and Two Nights (ENT)
#star trek#star trek tos#star trek tng#star trek ds9#star trek voy#star trek enterprise#star trek discovery#star trek prodigy#lane posts#lane's misc meta#there are some interesting themes among these words imo
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Kzinti and Star Trek
You don't see many Kzinti in Star Trek, and there's a very good reason for that: They're not actually Star Trek aliens, but a borrow from Larry Niven's Known Space series of books. And so Paramount don't actually own them. "The Slaver Weapon" episode of The Animated Series is an adaptation of Larry's "The Soft Weapon"
TAS' "Slaver Weapon" brought lots of Known Space lore into Trek. 4 Man-Kzin Wars were fought prior to the invention of faster-than-light travel, which really doesn't work in Trek where First Contact established, well, first contact and it was between humans and Vulcans after the first warp flight.
We also saw a Slaver, which have a rich backstory in Known Space where they're known as the Thrint and once ruled over the galaxy with their telepathy.
Some of Niven's backstory fits into Trek but other parts don't.
The Man-Kzin Wars don't. That being said, there have been attempts to bring Kzin back into Trek and several references to them. The Next Gen novel "The Captain's Honor" features the M'dok in the B-plot, a feline species who fought 2 wars with humanity one before the founding of the Federation and one after... sound vaguely familiar? They were originally the Kzin, and had name and details changed to avoid potential legal issues.
The Kzin exist in the Star Fleet Battles tabletop gaming universe (which is like a Trek splinter universe, licensed from TOS, TAS and the Star Fleet Technical Manual but nothing else), but they lack the distinctive bat ears.
Starfleet Command, the videogame adaptation of Star Fleet Battles swaps the Kzinti for the Mirak, again to avoid copyright issues.
But then came Star Trek Picard, where in season one Riker talks about an issue with the Kzinti (apparently permission was sought from Larry Niven and given for the mention) and then Lower Decks gave us Taylor, who is clearly Kzinti but likely will just never have anyone say it out loud just to be on the safe side
Oh, and the 1980 Star Trek Maps were cheeky and called them the K'zinti and hoped the apostrophe would make everything okay.
There have been attempts to bring the Kzinti back to Trek, like a planned Enterprise season 5 episode called "Kilkenny Cats" which was almost resurrected as a New Voyages fan film project. Here's the poster, where they'd replaced the Kzinti with the Kytharri (another Kzin-expy from the DS9 "Prophecy and Change" anthology
The "Kilkenny Cats" story read somewhat like a retread of DS9's "Armageddon Game". There were also attempts to get an animated Star Trek movie made called Lions of the Night, involving Sulu and the Enterprise-B dealing with a Kzinti invasion.
Oh oh, and read Ringworld. It's fantastic. And makes one wonder what the Kzin world is like in the Trek world... because they're unable to stop themselves launching violent wars on neighbours which they have no hope of winning, their world is essentially occupied by humans and that's very un-Trek (which of course makes it 10x more fascinating) indeed. How would Starfleet and the Federation deal with such a threat?
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DS9 Season 3 Thoughts
On to Season 3! Last time, the crew made contact with members of the Dominion who told them to stay off their lawn in the Gamma Quadrant. Will Sisko comply?
Probably not, so here we go.
1-2. The Search: Sisko gets a new ship to play with that's better than those wimpy runabouts. All simulations show them losing if the Dominion attacks them, so Sisko figures they can't fare any worse if he just takes the entire senior staff with him to go face the Dominion on their own turf. They all promptly get captured, while Odo has some slime time with his own people, only to discover that they're the Dominion's founders.
3. The House of Quark: Quark kills a guy, is sentenced to marriage.
4. Equilibrium: Dax gets a song stuck in her head, but unfortunately the Shazam servers in the future take a week to return a result. Also, when did they get the Defiant back? Two episodes ago it was trashed and adrift in the Gamma Quadrant. Did the Dominion really let them go back to get it?
5. Second Skin: Kira gets gaslit like a pilot light, ends up with a Car-dad-ssian.
6. The Abandoned: Odo adopts a baby Jem'Hadar, who quickly becomes a violent, angsty teenage Jem'Hadar with an enzyme addiction who runs off to join a gang. Also, is the series trying to set up an Odo/Kira relationship? Almost every episode this season has given them a "moment", and now she's bringing him flowers. Like, it's cute, but I'm still all for Ace Odo and the ability for a female and male-identifying character to have a platonic friendship (I don't count Sisko/Dax because Sisko has made clear that Dax being Curzon is all that's keeping him from hitting on her).
7. Civil Defense: O'Brien decides he wants to try out that "killing everyone by accidentally tripping a hidden deadly security protocol" bit from "Armageddon Game" for real. Gul Dukat tries to gloat, but ends up getting stuck there with them. We still cool, guys?
8. Meridian: An extremely creepy guy pursues Kira in order to make the moderately creepy guy pursuing Dax come across as less creepy by comparison.
9. Defiant: Holy crap, it's Riker! But not that Riker, the cheap transporter accident knockoff Riker from TNG. He's still got a complex about that and thinks stealing the Defiant and blowing up some Cardassians will make everything better.
10. Fascination: This season's bout of crazypox breaks out around the station, this time making everyone fall madly in love with each other. Odo is once again immune, but they seem to be setting up a love triangle between Odo, Kira, and Bareil, which is a damn shame because love triangle stories tend to be terrible and make me hate every character involved, which is extra sucky because Odo and Kira are my two favorites (just not together).
11-12. Past Tense: Sisko, Bashir, and Dax accidentally get transported to... (checks calendar) ... three weeks ago, and are forced to participate in a homeless riot in order to maintain the timeline. Unfortunately, someone had already messed up the timeline, which resulted in there being bulky CRT monitor computers, giant bricks of flip-phones, and shotguns being the terrorist weapon of choice in 2024 (though, to be fair, if they can just keep that last change and stop the proliferation of military-grade semi-automatic rifles to civilians, that would be great).
13. Life Support: Winn wanted to be Kai for the perks, not the responsibility, and literally works a mortally wounded Bareil to death in order to get a peace treaty she can take credit for. Otherwise a fairly poignant episode about when to stop treatment and just let someone go.
14. Heart of Stone: After the death of the hypotenuse of their love triangle last episode, Odo and Kira confess their feelings for each other. But, of course, since Odo is never allowed to have nice things, Kira turns out to be a Changeling who's just here to troll him. #JusticeForOdo.
15. Destiny: Goddamn I hate "prophecy" stories that end with, "Well, if you redefine the meaning of literally every word in that word salad, it ends up vaguely resembling what happened, therefore there must be something to it." No, it was not as the prophecy foretold. Shit just happens and you just twist your vague predictions to accommodate it and then give yourself a pat on the back and demand people take you seriously. Go away.
16. Prophet Motive: The wormhole entities turn the Grand Nagus into a communist, so Quark threatens to annoy them for eternity unless they turn him back.
17. Visionary: O'Brien starts jumping through time, and they figure out every component of his time-skips to the point they can trigger them at will and see the future. And then will likely never utilize this knowledge again. Though the episode really should have ended on O'Brien going to bed, yet another O'Brien popping up, and him just lamenting, "Oh god, NOW what?"
18. Distant Voices: Deep Space Nine presents Inside Out, starring Bashir as Sadness, Dax as Joy, O'Brien as Fear, Kira as Anger, Odo as Disgust, and Garak as Bing-Bong.
19. Through the Looking Glass: Mirror!O'Brien shows up and kidnaps Sisko and takes him back to the universe where everyone is horny all the time. Really hope this doesn't become a recurring thing, since "multiverse" stories that are merely "it's the same people, but they're different!" are rarely compelling.
20. Improbable Cause: Bashir's boyfriend is in trouble again, and this time it's Odo to the rescue. They track down Garak's old boss who offers to let them join a war against the Dominion, and Garak... accepts?
21. The Die is Cast: The Cardassians and Romulans launch an attack on the Dominion, but it was all a trap thanks to a Changeling replacing the Romulan commander. Makes me wonder how many other characters have or will become replaced by Changelings, or if they're going to even bother trying to come up with a way to detect it, since even Odo can't tell and has been fooled twice now.
22. Explorers: A pleasantly low-stakes episode in which Sisko can somehow build an entire functioning spaceship by hand in only three weeks, the flies it to Cardassia just to prove that he can.
23. Family Business: Quark goes home to teach us that the only thing a Ferengi values more than profit is oppressing women, even if doing so causes a massive loss of profit. Also, glad they finally gave a shout-out to how many runabouts they've trashed and the need to get new ones.
24: Shakaar: Winn continues to fail upwards by becoming the presumptive next president due to having no viable opponents and the Bajoran populace getting all their information from BOX News and not realizing she's a piece of shit. So Kira nominates a popular upstart last minute to run against her and actually make her work for it, and Winn cries "coup" and "rigged election" and good fucking god this episode is too prescient. They may have gotten the state of affairs of 2024 wrong in the episode that was literally about 2024, but then accurately predicted them in pretty much all of their Winn episodes.
25. Facets: Dax asks the people closest to her to host her previous lives so that she can talk to them. Including... random girl who had two lines a couple episodes ago who's now acting like she's part of the inner circle. And Odo, who has historically been immune to psychic shenanigans. But the episode continues to exemplify that Curzon was a piece of shit, and that Dax-centric episodes still manage to have nothing to do with Dax herself, but rather her previous incarnations or Trill customs, leaving Dax with still no solid personality or motives three seasons in.
26: The Adversary: Sisko gets promoted to Captain and decides to celebrate by almost starting a war and blowing up the entire senior staff due to bad intel from a Changeling imposter.
Three seasons down, four to go! Bashir is doing a lot better this season, since his womanizing and bragging have been toned way down and he can actually focus on being a doctor. Dax is still just a cardboard cutout there to remind people of the opinions and actions of her previous incarnations, but still have no identity of her own.
And then towards the end of the season they just awkwardly brought in a couple of women simply to be love interests to our crew members who are still lacking a heterosexual partner. At least, I'm assuming what's-her-face who had two lines and hit on Bashir at the beginning of one episode and then was suddenly chummy enough with the senior staff to participate in Dax's memory roulette ritual a few episodes later is supposed to be a love interest for Bashir. Go away, random lady, he already has Garak.
The choice of crew of the Defiant also reminds me of a really, really old Star Trek joke I read as a kid about the "Kirk Maneuver", which is "Kirk knows this is the most dangerous planet in the universe so takes his entire senior staff with him when he beams down". Like, shouldn't there be a separate operations crew for the Defiant so that you don't suddenly lose your entire station leadership if something were to go wrong? But, nope, The Main Characters Do Everything.
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