#dragon age flemeth

[spacedogreincarnate]

Morrigan is wearing Flemeth’s headpiece I’m going to SOB!!

[seffie-jade]

Some of my thoughts about vows and vengeance. I cannot be normal about this. I thought I'd share screenshots of my twitter ramblings because I do not have the energy to be cohesive or coherent rn

[erinsunmentionables]

Veilguard & Victim Blaming

I am an abuse survivor. Part of the reason I empathize so heavily with Solas is because of this. I’m not the first person to point out that his behavior in DAI has all the hallmarks of an abuse victim, and everything we know about Flemeth/Mythal from the first three games and all supplementary content has characterized them both as abusers. Because victims becoming abusers is indeed a real and tragic phenomenon.

I was so hoping they’d handle the subject with the nuance and maturity we’ve come to expect from BioWare. Instead, we spent all of Veilguard combing through the most painful and traumatic memories of someone who was coerced and abused by a person he trusted, all the while the characters we’re meant to view as good and empathetic people mock him and glorify his abuser, who among other things willingly owned slaves.

Because there is no grey area, Mythal abused Solas just as Flemeth abused Morrigan and her son, and Justinia abused Leliana. And it’s clear this was the intention. It was always the intention. The foundations of it were too strong to remove entirely from the game, but I guess someone higher up wasn’t comfortable acknowledging that women can in fact be abusers, and men can in fact be victims.

So instead we get a group of relative strangers rubbernecking the tragedy of an abused man and going out of their way to heap the blame on the victim. At one point Lucanis literally says that he ‘should have just said no’ which is the kind of talk you hear about victims of assault and abuse all the time from the worst kind of people. I should know, because I’ve had the exact same experience.

It’s not just a disappointment. Disappointment doesn’t begin to touch it. I feel sick and I feel betrayed. I came to Dragon Age with DAI. It remains my favorite (or was, now the whole thing just makes me depressed) because, despite how dark things got, compassion and empathy were always there. The abused always had a voice, however singular, to stand up for them and defend them. Not so here.

There’s a sense of callousness and mean spiritedness that permeates Veilguard. Not sure if that was the intention, but that’s what we got. I couldn’t even finish the game—‘just say no’ was the last straw for me—but against my better judgement I looked into the endings, and really that was my mistake. Because the ‘good ending’ essentially boils down to the abuser oh so magnanimously releasing her victim while a group of strangers gaslight him into submission. I don’t really understand how we got here, but I hope the Devs understand just how damaging a message they ended up with. I know what it’s like to be judged with malignant bias by people determined to hate you while your abuser is lauded and praised. Because abusers are often charismatic and excellent at keeping up a saintly appearance to hide their monstrosity and further alienate their victim. That’s what this feels like.

They can try and retcon it all they like, maybe new players won’t notice, but anyone who remembers the last three games knows better. Flemeth and Mythal may have been victims once, but both went on to use and abuse the people closest to them. Sugarcoating them in the interest of ignoring/making their victims look worse is genuinely vile.

I don’t know who let this change happen, but they’ve contributed to an already skewed public perception about what abuse looks like and how abusers get away with their crimes.

[pumpkincalico]

Maric just shrugging off a cryptic warning Flemeth gave him about a man he just met not 3 days ago will never not be funny-

[wylldebee]

Okay but what if we end-up meeting/bumping into a teenage Kieran and he's just as dramatic in his entrance as his mother and grandmother 👀?

[adoribullpavus]

might need to start bringing cassandra to meet flemeth in inquisition, she seems bewildered when varric tells her hawke bumped into "a myth"

[kittymama01]

Can I point out something interesting between Solas and Flemeth?

Maybe I don't have to spoiler warn about it but I will. If you haven't finished Dragon Age: Inquisition- go past this post.

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So, big reveal about Flemeth is that she is herself but also the Elven "Goddess" Mythal. They're not actually Gods, just extremely powerful mages.

Another big reveal is that Solas is the Dread Wolf. And he and Mythal know each other, they were close.

What I want to talk about is the views these two have on Grey Wardens.

One powerful being has been asleep most of the time and has watched most things happen in dreams.

The other powerful being has been awake and lived on Earth all this time

... Solas is smart. But, he hasn't really lived in this world. Mythal/Flemeth has. She's watched and truly experienced what Thedas has gone through. She's sat through, almost, every Blight that's happened in history. She sees the importance of the Grey Wardens, that she even risked her life to save the HoF and Alistair. If it wasn't for her, Thedas... Or, really, Ferelden at best would been lost.

But, to Solas... Grey Wardens aren't necessary. He thinks they're pointless. He says there's a way to defeat the Archdemon and shit and it's like... Okay... Do it, dude.

Mythal/Flemeth has been here watching all these Blights happen and she couldn't do anything. And we've seen how powerful she is and if she says "let's rely on the Grey Wardens". What does that say about the Blight?

Like, seriously, this just adds on to Solas being a know-it-all. And by that I mean- he doesn't actually know shit. This is the dude that is trying to save the world by bringing down the Veil and killing everyone in the process. He's been asleep all this time and comes out acting as if he's the man with ALL the answers.

Not gonna lie, it would be interesting if a Blight does happen in DA4 and Solas tries to stop it himself. Only to fail.

I might be seeing this differently, if anyone else has an opinion on this, I'd be happy to hear it. This is just something I noticed between the two and I think it says a lot about Solas.

[carvaraad]

sorry I'm crying, guys, I just thought of Solas killing his qpp again :(

[gemitah]

[DRAGON AGE 2] COSPLAY

Flemeth.

Costume made 100% made by me.

Photo by Frank Croft.

[skellagirl]

so I played through Origins again and there's this middle-aged man 🫣

Amrynn the Hero of Ferelden will smooch him, so help me God

why did they do him so fucking dirty in Trespasser anyway lol 😭 I'm half convinced he was originally meant to be an entirely different character and then last minute they were like, 'hey let's make him Teagan instead' but didn't change anything about his design. But it IS really funny when your Inquisitor rides up to the exalted council and looks up at him and he's just mean mugging the FUCK out of you

[vir-tanadahl]

fijakslzdx

This post was supposed to be about Mythal as the Big Bad in the next game and her long-overdue reckoning. But because I wasn't clear in the initial post, we’ve ended up debating whether it was Morrigan or the Inquisitor who drank from the Well of Sorrows.

Look—I’m not here to argue about your playthrough. It’s your game, your choices. Personally, it’s always my Inquisitor who drinks from the Well, especially when I’m playing a Lavellan.

But if we’re going to focus on why it might have been Morrigan—fine. I’ll play along. Here are the reasons why I think Morrigan drinking from the Well makes the most sense in terms of canon.

If you agree, awesome. If you don’t, that’s cool too. At the end of the day, I’m just one person on the internet who loves DA. You don’t have to agree with me. Take what sticks, leave what doesn't.

Why it Makes Sense that Morrigan Drank from the Well:

Morrigan was raised and taught by Flemeth to preserve and study ancient elven and arcane knowledge. Realistically, she’s the most prepared to handle the Well of Sorrows—both its consequences and the overwhelming knowledge it grants. Morrigan herself points this out before anyone drinks from the Well, and she reinforces it later if the Inquisitor is the one who drank, noting their struggle to process the voices they now hear.

While Morrigan initially pursued knowledge for her own purposes, her motivations evolved over time—especially if she had Kieran.

Morrigan also reminds us that power isn’t just about raw strength—it comes in many forms, including the power of knowledge. I also don't think Mythal is all knowing. And I also think she wants her vessels to research and learn this information to.

Beyond her expertise, Morrigan is also Flemeth’s daughter and, canonically, Mythal’s successor. As Kieran puts it, she’s the “Inheritor.” When Flemeth died, Morrigan inherited a fragment of Mythal’s essence, solidifying her role as not just a student of ancient knowledge but an agent—or perhaps even a vessel—of Mythal’s will.

Having Morrigan drink from the Well of Sorrows helps consolidate Mythal's power and knowledge within her chosen successor. This ensures that Mythal's influence—and access to the Well's secrets—remains firmly in her control.

Morrigan has spent her entire life immersed in ancient magic and lore. She wouldn’t waste the Well’s knowledge or power but would wield it effectively to advance her own goals—or Mythal’s. And if it was Morrigan who drank from the Well, she’d act on Mythal’s will whether she realized it or not.

We already know that Mythal, through Flemeth and her other hosts, has been playing a long game, manipulating events across centuries. Positioning Morrigan to drink from the Well could be yet another deliberate move in a larger plan—one we’re still piecing together.

(If fact, Mythal says to Morrigan, regardless of who drank from the Well, "You seek to preserve the powers that were, but to what end? It is because I taught you, girl...")

Narratively, Morrigan has always been driven by a desire to defy and escape her mother’s influence. Drinking from the Well adds another layer of complexity to her arc as she grapples with whether she’s acting for herself, her son, or as an unwitting pawn in Mythal's long-term plans.

If the reckoning is tied to Mythal’s vengeance, justice, or restoration, Morrigan makes an ideal vessel to carry out that plan. Her deep connection to Mythal, paired with the Well’s knowledge, puts her in a unique position to act decisively when the moment arrives.

Let’s Talk About Why It Might Not Be the Inquisitor

First things first—let me share my personal opinion as it ties back to my Inquisitor before diving into the reasons why I don’t think it was 'canon' the Inquisitor to be the one who drank from the Well.

- As I mentioned earlier, my Lavellan always drinks from the Well. But honestly? I don’t want my Inquisitor to be deeply tied to whatever fallout comes from that choice in the next game—because it raises the risk of them dying. And I really don’t want that. - No matter if they’re Lavellan, Trevelyan, or any other origin, I’m incredibly attached to my Inquisitor. I want them to have their happy ending, to retire peacefully with their romantic partner and live out their days free from looming cosmic consequences. They’ve earned it. - The whole point of the original post was Mythal being the Big Bad--I don't want my Inquisitor involved in that! If you do, amazing, then leave this whole post behind!

Second things second, here is why I don't objectively think it is the Inquisitor:

- The devs have said too many choices can complicate things, which is why DATV offers only three options. While the Well of Sorrows was originally included, it didn’t make the final cut. What that means for the story remains a mystery. - The devs have noted how hard it is to keep every world state valid. BioWare seems to be narrowing options to maintain a cohesive story—too many branches make that nearly impossible to manage. - The Devs have stated that the Inquisitor's story is over. - We can debate respecting player choices all day, but the reality is, while the devs do their best to honor those decisions, sometimes it’s just not possible. Storytelling and technical limits mean compromises have to be made. - We can debate the game’s timeline and whether the Inquisitor might have escaped the Prison of Regret with Solas (if that’s your world state), but without knowing exactly when the game takes place, it’s kind of a moot point.

Digging into the In-Game Reasoning (Both Stated and Implied) for Why Morrigan Could Be the Choice

If Mythal’s goal is to prepare someone both knowledgeable and strategically positioned for the reckoning, Morrigan is the clear choice. Morrigan has an understanding of the ancient knowledge, political neutrality, and ambition makes her uniquely capable—and driven—to wield the Well’s power effectively. (Sure, we can argue the an Inquisitor can learn everything Morrigan has been studying for the like 10 or so years...)

With her magical expertise, willpower, and cunning, Morrigan wouldn’t be overwhelmed by the Well.

This creates tension—Morrigan might serve Mythal’s plans while believing she acts on her own terms. The Well’s binding isn’t just about knowledge; it’s about enduring its weight. Having spent her life mastering powerful magic, Morrigan is uniquely prepared for this burden.

If Mythal wanted just anyone to drink, she could’ve chosen someone more obedient. Morrigan drinking wasn’t random—it was a deliberate choice aligned with her rare skills and determination.

Flemeth’s death wasn’t just a transfer of power—it was a continuation of intent. Morrigan isn’t merely a vessel; she’s Mythal’s chosen successor in spirit and purpose. Drinking from the Well cements that role, binding her even more deeply to Mythal’s legacy.

The reckoning isn’t just about knowledge—it’s about willpower and agency. Morrigan ensures Mythal’s agent isn’t just capable of wielding the Well’s power but driven enough to act on it.

ANYWAY, I COULD BE COMPLETELY WRONG AND THAT IS OKAY! I LIKE THEORIZING FOR FUN.

UPDATE TO ADD: The story took a turn after David Gaider left in 2016, about a year after Trespasser was released. The devs have mentioned they had to rework parts of the narrative because they felt they couldn’t fully deliver on Gaider’s original vision. This likely means the implications of the Well of Sorrows choice could have shifted too. To what extent? 🤷🏼‍♀️ Who knows.

What if it was actually Morrigan who drank from the Well of Sorrow because if you drink it, "everything you do, whether you know it or not, will be for [Mythal]," according to Solas.

And that fragment of Mythal is in Flemeth. So when Flemeth dies and goes to Morrigan, Morrigan is going to be more primed for accepting Mythal because she drank from the Well of Sorrows.

Because Mythal is still planning her reckoning.

EDIT: this post is focusing on Mythal being the big bad and getting her reckoning in the next game. I personally think she prepped morrigan for this and needs the power from the Well of Sorrows.

[bruxedofungico]

Thats how this scene went right

[arlathen]

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[marianchurchland]

The original plotter and instigator. I'm curious to see how they deal with her entity (for lack of a better term, I guess) in Veilguard.

[lokri-art]

[strawberry-halla]

you know what else i’m SO normal about?

lavellan who spends three-ish years closing rifts with the anchor comes back a final time at the end of veilguard to close one more with the same person who helped her close the first fade rift.

yeah guys they’re totally NOT intertwined by the red string or anything.