#doab era

[vague-homosexual-crimes]

girl help I’m listening to p!atd in the year of our Lord 2024

[orpheusilver]

flatmate playing their emo playlist giving me fucking war flashbacks to being 14

[r-u-b-y-18]

It’s a bittersweet moment

Lots of love to Fever and P.O. era

Just as much love to V+V, TWTLTRTD, DOAB, PFTW, and VLV era

Even more love to all Panic! members throughout the years

[theloopus]

TL;DR some thoughts on izzy's death via black sails comparisons

rambling here, but i keep coming back to Izzy's death and why it seems to have missed the landing a bit (and i'm not talking about the rabid Izzy fans who have completely lost the plot, i'm talking about the general reaction from actual normal people being "...wait, what?")

and, not to make everything about Black Sails, but i think it's been useful mentally to compare it to Charles Vane's death—they're actually very similar character trajectories, broadly speaking; an antagonist and generally unlikeable guy turned ally, made through the course of the season likeable enough so that when his death comes you're actually bummed to see him go. and you don't really see it coming (unless you do), you expect them to get away until the last minute, but at the same time it makes sense, thematically, because they represent a very specific version of piracy, and their deaths signal the end of the Golden Age of Piracy.

but whereas Vane's death seems to be generally met with shock, Izzy's death is met with confusion (which is a very different thing). and i think this stems not so much from the genre gap, although that does play into it (Black Sails is a gritty drama, OFMD is a romantic comedy (dramedy?)—and both series have a touch of the surreal, but BS is generally more grounded in reality, whereas OFMD tends to operate on cartoon rules), but rather from execution, no pun intended.

i do fully disagree with the take that Izzy's death was "bad writing"—the bones are there, the actual death scene was good, the themes are coherent— it makes sense, when you think about it. but you shouldn't have to think about it to know, instinctually, while you're watching, that it makes sense, as much as it might pain you or shock you at first—so the problem is execution, not writing.

obviously there's the matter of pacing, which has been discussed to death and isn't really the fault of the writers, but it's undeniable that it's one of the reasons why the idea doesn't seem to land at first. it happens too quickly, not just the actual death and funeral, but the lead-up to it. the wounding, for one—i don't know if they were intentionally going for a "surprise wound" approach ("did he really get shot? oh he did? well it doesn't seem that bad. wait, is he dying for real?"), but it just does not work here, because then instead of building up dread over whether or not he's going to make it, you just think he's hurt and then suddenly find out he's actually fully about to die only when he's like. pronouncing his last words. and then a minute later he's dead. it's too quick!

but it even goes back to before the actual death shot—the way the season's constructed, our main association with Izzy up to this point is that he's healing or whatever now, so if his death is meant to represent the end of an era, you need to remind the audience that he's supposed to be associated with that era, regardless of all his character development. this is why Vane's death works so well, imo: the very reason why he's being hanged, in-universe, is because of what he represents as an iconic pirate; and the fact that he chooses to sacrifice himself is what separates him from Flint and the others (despite the fact that they're currently allied): they represent a possible future which, albeit better, he does not fit within and has zero interest in fitting within. so he'd rather sacrifice himself, helping them with their cause while also keeping true to himself and his own view of the world (their world, the old world of piracy) and what he represents (old, classic, Blackbeard's kind of piracy).

with Izzy though it's an extremely tricky line to walk, because they wanted him to die having become a better person, free and loved, so essentially having embraced the kind of piracy that Stede represents—while also still being a walking symbol of the past, of the kind of piracy that he used to represent to Ed. again, on paper, it's doable: he is an embodiment of what piracy means to Ed, which used to be abuse and toxic masculinity (S1); then Stede turns piracy into something else, meaning acceptance and liberation and a support system (S2); but the fact is, negative or positive as the environment might be, piracy itself as an idea is coming to an end, it's ceasing to exist (therefore, so would Izzy), and Ed's journey isn't about embracing a new kind of piracy, either, it's about fully shredding it and letting go of it (therefore, shredding and letting go of Izzy) while keeping Stede (acceptance, liberation, a support system). problem being, executing all of that is a bit harder. doable, certainly, but harder, and perhaps more than the writers could chew with such a constricted budget and timetable. with the benefit of hindsight, maybe they could've crammed this into Izzy's conversation with Ricky...? it's there a little bit, if you squint, with Izzy going on with his "what piracy is really about" speech and Ricky going "you've become such a bore" or whatever he says (implying past vs. present), but, i don't know, maybe have Izzy like... talk about what piracy is really about and also what he used to think it meant, what it represented for him (and therefore for Ed) even though now he knows better, and also, very importantly, hit the final nail in the coffin by somehow sneaking in that he's piracy embodied and has no interest in being anything else, during that "our spirit will last throughout your entire fucking empire" speech, cementing that the spirit of piracy is also the spirit of Izzy himself (and therefore when piracy dies Izzy will die with is, and this will be his choice). maybe not the subtlest way to go about it, but like, not really time for subtlety when you've gotta wrap up a 60-minute storyline in 30 minutes, and they've been slapping us with DO YOU GET IT flashbacks for the entire season, so it's not like they've got the upper hand here, you know. as it is, though, those beats (and many others, as i've said before!) are missed, so (sans post-mortem interviews and tumblr metas and the like) Izzy's death feels like 1. it comes kinda out of nowhere, and 2. it serves no purpose other than to be sad. which is a shame, because it's actually a suuuper interesting beat that could've been really juicy both on a meta level and on an emotional level, if the writers had the space to set it up properly.

[quispy-quisp]

AFYCSO vs VLV, what... even...

disclaimer: this is just a really totally biased kind of "deep-dive" into the difference between AFYCSO & VLV. yes I know there's a 17 year gap between these albums but it's such a stark contrast I can't not talk about how crazy it is to me!! (this is gonna be a long ass post lmao sorry) Panic! At The Disco and my feelings about the band

Growing up I was definitely into TWTLTRTD & DOAB era Panic! (blame my yeemo phase) but now that I'm a little older I think that AFYCSO & Pretty. Odd. are some of my all-time favourite albums. Nothing Panic ever put out pre-split makes me feel how Ryan Ross's lyrics did and every song off AFYCSO is very close to my heart. I am also a pretty avid disliker of Pray For The Wicked so just keep that in mind. All things Fever A Fever You Can't Sweat Out was released on September 27th 2005 with band members Brendon Urie, Spencer Smith, Ryan Ross, & Brent Wilson from Las Vegas. Their first album for the most part was received with a pretty mixed reaction, they were praised for not really sounding like anything there was at the time (there still isn't a band that sounds just like early Panic did) but criticized for their extremely lucky break by being signed to DCD2 which was a newly formed label owned by Pete Wentz & Patrick Stump as an off-shoot of Fueled By Ramen. In terms of sound, it's kind of hard for me to classify but there are very theatrical elements to most of the songs on that album. The album is split into two distinct sounds of music with the first half of the album being more dance-oriented and the second half being a lot more "emo" Ryan Ross, who was the main lyricist for this album, takes a lot of inspiration from author Chuck Palahniuk and his own personal experiences with infidelity & his relationship with his father. I honestly love this album I don't really have anything bad to say about it. I think Camisado & Build God, Then We'll Talk are some of my favourite songs ever so if you haven't listened to this album yet I can't recommend it enough.

Viva Las Vengeance

I don't know much about this album, unfortunately, I've listened to it ONCE but I can tell that I'm not the biggest fan of a lot of this album, it was released on August 19th 2022 under the artist name Panic! at the disco even though it's been just Brendon for a good amount of time now (that's a whole other can of worms).

From what I've read about the lyrics I think this is supposed to be a concept album but whatever the concept or underlying story is it's lost on me. I do like that they brought back the more orchestral/theatrical feel of the first albums but it still falls flat for me.

Brendon's lyrics to me feel very surface-level and almost rudimentary but I will say that Don't Let the Light Go Out is kind of a banger.

A good chunk of the time when a certain lyric is repeated at the beginning of the album and then repeated at the end, it symbolizes some sort of change in the perspective, for example, one of my other favourite albums Armor For Sleep's What To Do When You're Dead repeats the lyric "don't believe that the weather is perfect the day that you die" showing that the narrator for the album (who dies in the first song) has given up on trying to get the people who are living to hear him, in contrast to the beginning where he feels like he needs these people still (if that makes sense lol).

Brendon I feel tries to do something similar with the lyric "shut up and go to bed" repeating in the first and final track but I still really don't know what this is supposed to symbolize. it feels like there was no growth in this which makes it a lot harder for me to grasp what this album is about. Another thing I really did not enjoy about this album was the use of an 8-track tape, most if not all modern artists use auto-tune and that was really something that was lacking in this album. Brendon has always been known as the guy with the voice, with the decision to use the 8-track tape, it means you can't really auto-tune (as far as I know I might be wrong) and you can hear that Brendon is struggling to hit a good chunk of these high notes which makes some songs a lot more difficult to listen to and makes Brendon's voice a lot less palatable.

One thing I did notice in at least Middle Of A Breakup and Sad Clown is that there's this build-up for a big drop that just doesn't happen and it really throws me off. Some of these songs could be a lot better if they followed a more standard composition because without it they just sound a little wonky/off. And my last gripe with this album is Local God. If this isn't about Dallon Weekes and Ryan Ross I genuinely do not know what on earth this is supposed to be? It is extremely disrespectful to reduce two extremely creative people that you used to be close with to has-beens and "local gods". if this song is supposed to be a sincere song, then I think it may be a little tone-deaf and inappropriate especially as Ryan Ross is one of the main people responsible for Panic! At The Disco even being a thing, and Dallon Weekes being one of the most genuinely creative artists I've seen in a while. What Happened? Not only do I think the passage of time really affected the sound of Panic albums I also think the loss of the original lineup hurt the band's sound. I don't think everything post-split is bad but there's just something about the first two albums that are unmatched compared to everything else in their discography. even when Brendon is going for a more authentic sound using the 8-track tape, it still sounds wildly corporate to me and I think that's why I love the first 2 albums. I know emo doesn't really sell anymore but going the pop root honestly made me a lot less interested in panic than I was growing up. This album more than anything just made me miss pre-split more than I already do and really disappointed in Brendon for continuing the Panic! At The Disco name after everyone had left. It's really sad knowing most people only see Panic as Brendon when it was so much more back in the 2000s.

Anyway, that's the end of my post thanks for reading this, remember this is just my opinion I'd love to know what you think so shoot me a DM or comment whatever. Listen to AFYCSO and don't listen to Viva Las Vengeance for the love of god. Have a good night!!

[gamesoflevitation]

I miss doab + pftw era so much I am going to become emotionally stunted about it

[hermithomebase]

aw i just got off work and backread a little, i've never gotten an anon tag before 🥹 (karma anon) this is epic yayyy. also on the topic of patd, do you have any recs from them? bc their discography is pretty huge. i listened to some of their older songs and really liked northern downpour and she had the world but i'm sure there's more !

SMILES !! ill give you some recs for some of their newer stuff since its usually harder to wade through for most people !

king of the clouds, the overpass, crazy=genius, la devotee, and doab are some of the ones i listen to the most from the "newer" era!

my personal faves though that aren't on spotify are mercenary, kaleidoscope eyes (my fave ever i think), and bittersweet!

a couple others i want to throw at you because i just like them are new perspective, the calendar, sarah smiles, and nearly witches! (these are all from the same era... whoops! let me throw in one last vegas lights to break up the v&v collection)

[cowgirlkatebishop]

I know we’re all meant to hate Panic! At The Disco now but like…the Vices/Too Weird…/DOAB eras still make me so happy.

[asbatstos]

grgrgr it is so stupid hard to find info abt eras after vices!!!! i need someone whos super into twtltrtd and doab to hmu and tell me everything they know + extra fun facts i should add in abt any era is that soooo much to ask

[alicolors]

HISTORY OF PAKISTAN CLOTHING - TRAVELING THROUGH TIME

Culture and fashion are vital parts of any country’s history and civilization. In Pakistan, both of these are inextricably woven. To understand Pakistan’s fashion, we’ve compiled this brief guide to help take you back in time.

The history of Pakistan dresses is a very colorful and interesting one.

This history not only makes for a great learning experience but also gives insight into everything you need to know to understand why Pakistani fashion is where it is today. As you’ll see, this history of fashion in Pakistan reflects the culture, ideologies, and evolution of the Pakistan people, over time.

Designer Pakistani Suit in Green

ORIGIN OF PAKISTANI DRESSES

Based on historical discoveries, Pakistani dresses date back over 7,000 years ago to the Bronze Age. This was during the Indus Valley Civilization era when cotton was first cultivated around 3,000 BC in the Indus River Valley which is now present-day Pakistan.

Pakistan’s geostrategic location also played a big role in its fashion and culture.

The country is bordered by India on the east, Iran by the west, Afghanistan in the northwest, China by the northeast, and the Arabian sea towards the south. This has made Pak nation a great connection point for trade and civilization through history. But then, this has also made it a favorite invasion route for foreign countries through centuries, as well.

Floor length Pakistani Dress

Some of the past invasions, occupation, and settlement in Pakistan have involved diverse foreign cultures from Persians to Arabs, Turks, Mongols, Aryans, Dravidians, Greeks, White Huns, and certain Eurasian groups, among others.

For the country, this has meant the marriage of many cultures with the fashion mainly a blend of both Afghan and Persian elements. Along with this, fashion choices in Pakistan have also been shaped by religious considerations. This marriage of cultures, as well as the religious undertones, explains why Pakistani dresses seem exotic.

MUGHAL ERA INFLUENCE ON PAKISTANI FASHION

The Doab continued to suffer continuous Mongol occupation towards the end of the 13th century. The region (present-day Pakistan) was sacked as early as 1303. Fast forward to the 16th century, the Mughals have seized control and ruled most of India and Pakistan.

The Mughals (who are Muslims of Turkic-Mongol origin) consolidated Islam in South Asia. But along with spreading their faith, the Mughals also spread their Persian arts and culture. This cultural influence can easily be seen today with the majority of Pakistani clothing being a fusion of traditional and Mughal cultures. The Mughal era in South Asia is perhaps the single most influential era in the history of Pakistani fashion. This can be seen in the contemporary costumes of Pakistan from the Pakistani Salwar Kameez which is the national dress, to the lehenga, turban, churidar pajamas, pishwas, etc.

A Pakistani Dress for Girls

Many of these dresses have their origins traceable to the Mughal era although they have also evolved, over time.

ORIGIN & EVOLUTION OF THE SALWAR KAMEEZ - PAKISTAN’S NATIONAL DRESS

The Salwar Kameez was introduced to the Indo-Pak subcontinent in the 12th century along with the arrival of Muslims in South Asia. Fast forward to the 16th century when the Mughals held control of the region, the dress, along with several other elements of Persian art and culture had seeped into the region.

The earliest known form of Salwar Kameez is the Anarkali Salwar Kameez.

The Anarkali itself was first worn by Mujra dancers, courtesans who were often invited into the Mughal palace to entertain the royalty with Mujra dance steps. While the dress was originally known as the Mujra dress, it was renamed after Lady Anarkali (the legendary Mughal courtesan), upon her death.

The Salwar Kameez has survived centuries of changes and evolution to remain the favorite choice of dress for men and women in Pakistan today. The Pakistani salwar has a long and straight cut and is usually paired with the salwar or churidar pants.

A Pair of Pakistani Dresses

Pakistani women pair theirs with a dupatta shawl that helps to cover the head. The dress is super comfy and allows for maximal movement. This comfort and ease perhaps explain why it has held its place steadfastly as Pakistan's national clothing after all of these years.

MODERN ERA FASHION IN PAKISTAN

Pakistan’s social and political trajectory was on a very different path at the turn of the 20th century. The Mughal Empire began crumbling around the mid-19th-century and by 1858, the British deposed Emperor Bahadur Shah II, the twentieth and last Mughal Emperor of India, effectively ending the reign of the Mughal dynasty.

The British Raj ruled the Indian subcontinent from 1858 to 1947 when both India and Pakistan got independence. As expected, all of these moments in history had impacts on the culture and fashion of the people. As of the 20th century, the fashion choices here mostly reflect Indian cultures and traditions.

In the early 1900s, sarees and ghagras ruled the scene alongside the salwars, of course. After secession and independence, however, the Pakistani fashion scene longed for a distinct identity from its mainly Indian influence. Pakistani fashion became more liberal and tasteful around the mid-20th century. Western influence at this point meant dresses were shorter, half calf trousers and bell bottoms became more common.

Women in Pakistani Chiffon Suits

Towards the end of the 20th century, long shirts became more common.

Later on, the martial law to wear religious appropriate clothing was introduced by General Zia-ul-Haq paving the way for lengthier scarves and longer shirts. By the end of the 20th century, however, half sleeves became a thing again, with women styling their hair in bob cuts.

Along with the traditional salwar kameez, wide-leg pants, cigarette pants, jeans, and tights all showed up on the scene. Today, modern Pakistani fashion reflects all of the progressiveness and cultural nuances, and diversity of this 200 million population country. The fashion scene is as diverse as it’s ever been. Pakistani women now have their very own distinct fashion identity that most people can relate to.

[how-the-feathers-have-fallen]

just watched a Vices era recording. don't get me wrong here ok like I love Vices I love Dallon but honestly I think Vices era performances are kind of the worst, unless B has just been super drunk in every one Ive seen, because he really. he's a prick. and he uses Dallon as a replacement Ryan. like I loved watching Dallon onstage it was super hot for him to put his pick in his mouth, stick his tounge out, and grind his guitar a lil but B was literally wearing a wife beater that he takes off halfway through and just does shirtless, sang everything kinda. bad. and the only emotion was either drunk as in annoying or drunk as in My Wife Just Left Me For My Best Friend But I'm Still Hanging Out With Him and Smiling Through the Pain (by fall out boy). and at one point he literally like makes out with Dallon over a microphone and the only thing in my head was. ryden used to do that except Ryan would pucker up and it doesn't help that they have similar voices and did all the same parts. why was Dallon ever in this failure band like he's EVERYTHING on his own, IDKHOW has genuinely changed my life, but as a replacement Ryan he went no where fast. at least in DOAB/PFTW/VLV brendon knows who he as a soloist so he's not just dumb and drunk and making out with cardboard cutouts behind a wallgreens

that last line smacked me in the face till i looked up what a wallgreens was 💀

no but truly i hate it as much as you do. it’s one thing for brendon to beat a dead horse and drag it’s dead corpse around the village (not just any horse but ryan’s magic girl equestrian horse) it’s another for him to drag it along with someone else in the saddle. at least when he’s on his own nobodies suffering with him

[rossfeathers]

what the fuck

Ok oh my god so I am literally in my anti brendon urie arc so forgive me. BUT I just found some shit out In like early doab era when Dallon was still there Panic! played as the opening act for Rise Against I believe in a concert. Keep in mind I said OPENING act. And they played Bohemian Rhapsody I mean literally how loud can he scream pretentious

[thepatdsinner]

5 years later and this still lives in my head rent free-

[roscoe-me-and-this-fuckin-kid]

This been done yet?

[panicked-crow]

Death of a Bachelor – Death of a Bachelor

[undead-zomboy]

THIS IS SO REAL‼️‼️‼️

dallon does not get enough apprectation for what he did for panic and for putting up w brendons shit like HOLY SHIT he deserved better but likw,,,

ryan and jon were EVERYTHING to the band, but dallon and spencer were important too AND U BETTER NOT FORGET IT like they did SOOOOO much for the band and idk how brendon was 2 work w b4 the split (idk they seemed like they were friends and i havent heard anything abt brendon mistreating ryan+jon,, lmk if im wrong) but apparently he was a nightmare 2 work with post split ,, idk toooo much abt spencer but ik dallon was underpaid and just generally not treated too well and iirc no one from ANY panic era still talk 2 brendon so like take that as u will, im sure its for different reasons but yk,,,

also dallon and spencer did sooo much for making panic still good post split,, v+v is rly good and doab is okay and like ,,, u get it. it gets worse as it goes but yk !!!! brendon gets all the attention when talking post split + panic in general and we need to fix that

um anyway in less words agree fully !!!! <3

warning brendon mention + also excessive usage of brackets and like no punctuation/formatting except for paragraph breaks iM SORRY

sick and tired of ppl saying panic went to shit after ryan and jon left like yes it downgraded (compared to afycso my fave album from them) B U T ian (even tho he was only there for a few years) and dallon (who stayed on til 2017 oh how he put up with a lot of bs over the years) rlly kept it from tanking in those key years imo

like dallon is credited w writing most of v&v (with the exception of "nearly witches" - ryan wrote that) and all of twtltytd (is that even the album name idk i dont rlly listen to post ryan panic sorry not sorry) and he played bass not only for the end of pretty odd touring but also as part of the band til 2015 and then continued touring til 2017 (plus apparently brendon stopped him from releasing a song w 21 pilots which is actually why im writing this lmfao) like

dallons writing was on a similar level to ryans and it feels mean/unfair to reduce those albums that he did write to "shit" bc ryan wasnt there

and yes doab has a couple of bops (crazy = genius and also la devotee imo) but overall they dont cancel out what is mostly a shit album (ok yes dont threaten me w a good time is okay too but he did NOT make those high heels work good lord) esp cause there were literally none of the ogs except brendon on that)

and ofc pftw is ass if i ever hear high hopes or hey look ma i made it i actively try and leave wherever i am (they fucking played high hopes at a skate night i went to WHEN I WAS COSPLAYING RYAN ROSE VEST)

also side note fuck u brendon for continuing to play camisado after ryan left even tho it was like the one song he asked you to stop performing it cause it was rlly personal to him AND YOU DIDNT LISTEN (ofc all the songs were personal to him but camisado was one of the ones that he specifically drew on his experiences w/ his father to write)

also side note 2 imo panic died when spencer left (2013) but was temporarily revived til dallon left (2017) and brendons been dragging its corpse around for the last 6 years. and idc what anyone says the touring artists he played with do not count as panic cause no offence but like their title says theyre TOURING ARTISTS (like how dallon didnt consider himself a part of panic when he was touring w em til they asked him officially and then when he "stopped contributing creatively" - his words) like i rlly doubt ppl can name them off the top of their heads (altho theyre underappreciated for dealing w brendon)

if you've read this far PLEASE feel free to comment (? is taht what its called here) and/or reblog w ur additions/opinions im fairly open-minded abt others ideas!